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Affordable and free medicine to the people! Then...

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My publications from the oncologic dispensary had an unexpected effect for me. No, I expected in the comments to the descriptions of my situations words of support. Just because we are human. Even offers non-traditional or high-tech treatment expected. And all this was. Thank you all again!


Unexpected was that doctors began to share their problems with me. The problems are so unexpected that sometimes you just had to turn off the logic in order to understand what is happening. For example, they buy expensive apparatus for the production of tests in one of the maternity hospitals. Budget money successfully mastered. Hooray!

Put this device in the laboratory. It works well ... foreign technology. In one window analysis, in another card special. Well, click a button. And then go, poison yourself with cigarettes somewhere around the corner of the nearest building. The machine is working. The machine will do everything for you. Well, just like in the movies. "Robots injected, happy man ..."

Only here the quandary turned out. We have our own analyzes, from the manufacturer, so to speak. But these plastic cards are strangers. From the manufacturer of this most intelligent machine. And in the store, as you know, not sold. Yes, and the price ... If you take in the former, pre-sanctioned American rubles, then our relatives have something about 1000 rubles.

It is, of course, inexpensive. Only now the same guys who bought the device should buy these cards. I do not know what and how. The only thing that I am sure these guys, when they bought the device, did not hurt themselves. Otherwise, why should businessmen work? And the cards? Not their level. Trifle. And in the budget of such money is not mortgaged.

Patients agree to pay this thousand. Only to whom? Yes, and without the apparatus of this grandfather, or rather, grandmother, given the gender composition of the laboratory (for those who do not know, associated with the role in the society of males or females), analyzes will be done. A doctor or laboratory assistant will sit on his old devices, take some reagents and write what and how.

In short, there is this clever overseas furniture machine and the report of the head doctor in the laboratory. With her, women brush the dust, and sometimes bruises fill the corners. But this is just an example.

I listened to the president's speech. Creating a foundation for complex operations is great. It’s not a great power to put a volunteer at every corner who collects money for an operation for another sick child. In every town. People are compassionate, but where is the state? Yes, and began to sacrifice less. I want to eat, and for many this has become worse than before.

Yes, and about traveling to the doctor for hundreds of kilometers - right. Those that are in the cities will still be able to go somewhere, but to the villagers, and on our roads, a hundred kilometers will often be worse than any flu. Or a tooth is sick.

Just what will it lead to? To the rehabilitation of rural hospitals? It is doubtful. After all, funding will still impose on the local budget. And there with money full ... There is no money there. Officials from one pocket to another shift. That in the new hole the rests of the finance did not take off.

We have never wondered why, with annual cuts in the health budget (for debaters with foaming at the mouth, advice - transfer the allocated funds to some euros or dollars at the rate), we annually report raising and improving? Every year something opens there. Someone makes another breakthrough in medicine. The number of treated increases. And most importantly, for those who do not know, our life expectancy will soon be equal to the Soviet. A little bit left. According to the minister, today we are happy to live already 71 year!

But I thought after talking with doctors and heads of medical institutions. Not ministers, but chief physicians, heads of departments, just doctors.

And I was born the answer to this difficult question. I am sure that now economists and medical bosses will break my conclusions, but I want to express them.

Why closed the paramedic points in the villages? The answer is simple. There is no money to keep the item itself and pay the assistant salary. It is better to transfer these crumbs to the district hospital. And the paramedic, of course, if you are lucky, set aside a car so that it rolls out (again gender) on a winter road or on an autumn-spring off-road in villages and provides assistance. And the transfer of such cars wider in the media to highlight. So that the people know - the power is concerned.

And in the cities? Where is the money from? Here the scheme is more complicated. The minister receives the local federal budget and sits for some time without rising. Not because reads carefully. Because, by the final figure, he sees that some non-literary word comes to his doctors. Yes, and hospitals too.

There is already the invention of the next reform of labor will not get off. No matter how much the salary is reduced, the money is still not enough. So what? Naturally, tear calls to the Ministry of Health. And from there a great answer. You, dear, can not cope? Remember Kutuzov from the Hussar Ballad? When reinforcements did the messengers ask for at Borodino? Same option.

And the minister already has to go with a simple doctor somehow not from his hand. That starts to cope. To seek internal reserves. Sometimes the reserves turn out to be that whole hospitals or medical units are closing down. Sometimes other methods work.

In every region there are, I must say, quite comfortably, commercial medical organizations. They started with high-tech assistance. Any MRI and other newfangled things there, which modern medicine cannot do without, and the government only promises to present the hospital for free. Then the range of their services expanded to almost full. Today, for the money you can get all the services that are provided in the state hospital. And even more, considering the same MRI, etc.

So, the scheme in which the wolves are fed and the sheep ... shorn, and the shepherd at the salary.

The local Ministry of Health after the stupor of the Minister begins to write letters to subordinates. Find, minimize, find hidden reserves. In short, we will give less money than we did last year.

A commercial company goes to the same Ministry of Health with a proposal to cooperate services. You treat, and we help you. Where you cannot, we will provide this service on a commercial basis. The minister is thinking.

At the same time, merchants go to the head physician of a hospital or clinic. Is it hard for you? We will help. Well, MRI and other such things are no longer negotiated. But other tests? Why do you need to have your own, often not equipped with modern facilities laboratory? Close up We will have any analyzes more accurately. And why are there any rehabilitation departments?

You have completed your task! The man is treated. The operation is carried out. The tick in the report is already worth it. And the costs of these offices are decent. The equipment is not worth a penny. And we have already created exactly the same department on the basis of this and that. Only modern, brilliant. With foreign devices. And it should be godly. Yes, and not your hospital will pay. And the patient. Of their own accord and with joy.

But that's not all. Such firms go to the department heads or laboratories with a job offer. For the same or even big money. And I’m not talking about the prospects for additional training and growth. The same scheme with doctors. We give you work and prospects, and you refer us to patients in our department.

The head doctor runs to the Ministry of Health in a panic ... What should I do? No exit. This one. And there it has long been understood. In what ways this understanding has come, we leave out the schema. In short, the agreement received.

Then everything is simple. Based on the recommendations of the higher authorities, the chief issues an order to close the branch from such and such a date. Due to the fact that the number of patients has plummeted. Doctors at the reception. Fulfill future salary. Statistics show. And on the basis of this order, doctors are officially recommended to send patients to the commercial department.

And the most disgusting thing is that later, when all this completely simple scheme works, the branch of such a department opens already in the place of the old hospital. And the same doctors work there. On the same hardware. But the patient is already paying. And pays a lot.

So who are we kidding? Why talk about improvements in the field of insurance medicine? It seems to me that the course today is not on insurance medicine, but on commercial one. Leave in the public administration only those branches of medicine that can not generate income. Or those that the patient simply does not have time to pay. The rest is due to the patient. And one more conclusion. There will be no revival of paramedic items in the villages. Do you know why? In the scheme there is no one important link. Namely, commercial medicine. There is no "urban" money in the village. And the number of patients is not thousands measured.

These are the sad thoughts that came to mind after talking with those who, by duty and by calling, heals us. If you want to be born, let future parents save money ... If you want to not be ill, pay for visiting sections and all kinds of pools. Do you want to cure the disease - pay for treatment. And the rest of the time, collect money for your own funeral. They, too, will dear into a pretty penny for their relatives.
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  1. Tor5
    Tor5 7 December 2015 14: 49
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    Well, there’s nothing else to expect, today you can’t even distinguish a doctor from a businessman of the most nasty spill, moreover, at all levels.
    1. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 7 December 2015 15: 09
      28
      Few would argue with the fact that in our country PSEUDY-FREE medicine is now. A policy is a policy, and you have to pay almost everywhere, officially or not. My friend, an oncological patient, is forced to pay not only for operations and a course of chemotherapy, but even an MRI scan (15 thousand rubles). By the way, a criminal case was even instituted for the abuse of the last device, asking why the state allocated budget money if half of it was immediately stolen during the purchase, and now they are taking money from patients. We can talk a lot about corruption and a mess in our medicine and the state as a whole, but we can confidently draw one conclusion: at present, the state is inefficiently using money for health care. And this, whatever it was, is our money, taxpayer funds. So it’s possible for us to abandon this supposedly free medicine, and switch to insurance. It seems to me that if we give our money back to us, we will be able to manage it more efficiently than current officials.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 7 December 2015 16: 11
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        Quote: Nikolai K
        We can talk a lot about corruption and a mess in our medicine and the state as a whole, but we can confidently draw one conclusion: at present, the state is inefficiently using money for health care. And this, whatever it was, is our money, taxpayer funds. So it’s possible for us to abandon this supposedly free medicine, and switch to insurance. It seems to me that if we give our money back to us, we will be able to manage it more efficiently than current officials.

        Maybe just start practicing public executions? Many problems would be solved. And how to work effectively would be !!!!

        I was ineffective free Soviet medicine twice from the other world pulled out, do not count how many times darned the little things with novocaine and without. Now for us The Minister of Health, with a slightly tired look of a kind doctor, tells Solovyov’s fable how everything has tripled in medicine in our country. How they "monitor" this and that, how everything is purchased and improved. A surgeon-in-law, working in a collective farm clinic in the suburbs, rolled on the floor laughing. And a month later I called an ambulance for my grandson - they arrived in two hours and twenty minutes. This is not in the wilderness - this is in a millionth city in the absence of traffic jams - at one in the morning. On foot we would have reached it faster. And they say that this is normal - it can be much worse.

        I think that "manual control" in a moment would make our medicine effective. On the scale of one hospital or clinic. And backed up by public executions - and throughout the country.

        Ineffectively used budget funds, did not understand the design of the purchased unit, did not understand how it works and how much does it cost? But was he obliged to figure out the position? Put the unit in your garden and pay its cost. And not for 2000 rubles. per month, and now - his apartment, car, cottage, himself into slavery, his wife in the shoulders. Then next time, the medicine official will think with his head, not his pocket, before spending the money somewhere.
        1. kalujhanin
          kalujhanin 7 December 2015 19: 21
          +1
          Well, what do you want, comrades?
          Health care under the Russian robber capitalism is a SERVICE, and the attitude towards it is as an industry that should bring PROFIT.
          In the same way, our authorities liquidated the system of free continuing education.
          The same fate befell state medicine.
          And do not talk about compulsory medical insurance. This is an empty piece of paper with which they will send you from the hospital to hell.
          Analyzes, examinations - all for the money.
          Only in children's hospitals easier.
        2. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 7 December 2015 19: 58
          13
          our health care can be judged by requests to help with money for the treatment of children. And where is the state, where is the guarantor of the constitution, by which we are provided with free treatment, a disgrace !!!
        3. APASUS
          APASUS 7 December 2015 19: 58
          +8
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Maybe just start practicing public executions? Many problems would be solved. And how to work effectively would be !!!!

          Have you not heard that the state will now take economic crimes less strictly? Now, for theft of money from the budget of various levels, house arrest will be applied, like Vasilyeva. But the fact that people died as a result of the theft of money from the budget of the regional or district hospital, FAP - this must be proved!
          So we went around again ........ try in China to take something from a box on the street, there will be no trial, no witnesses, no arrests, etc. and there won’t be a hand either, right away.
          1. ANTI.KORR.
            ANTI.KORR. 7 December 2015 21: 40
            +9
            Dear colleagues, we are well aware of everything that happens with medicine in our country.
            But are doctors really to blame for such a situation?
            Of course not, the state is directly responsible for this, and we, as taxpayers, have the right to ask the managers we have chosen for their actions and inaction.
            Equating medicine and education with services in a rapidly impoverished country, it no longer smells, it stinks of genocide!
            We can give thousands of tragic examples related to medicine, but so far we have all been silent about medicine "optimized".
            Optimized with our tacit consent. This is because We did not support the striking doctors. We thought that this will not affect us ... Of course, it will not affect us or Our relatives are healthy.
            We are to blame for everything that happens in our country. We allow you to do any experiments with us, we allow ..., we give an occasion ...
            And if we continue to be silent, we will surely die out as a species.
            Threat. and the barrel today is already 41 raccoons and soon the World Cup ... maybe someone else wants to shout lurking?
          2. xBoris
            xBoris 8 December 2015 15: 33
            +1
            And managers are not interested in who died or died where, due to the lack of an ambulance or a doctor / paramedic .. It is more important for them to show their effectiveness in a report, on paper.
        4. Nikolay K
          Nikolay K 7 December 2015 20: 50
          +3
          "Maybe just start practicing public executions?"
          Where do we start, from Putin or Medvedev? I am afraid that in our country even public executions will not stop the theft, because everyone will understand that they shot those who could not give a bribe, and who richer would defer. The fight against thieves is a separate story, which also needs to be addressed. But who prevents in parallel to solve the problems of medicine.
          1. bastard
            bastard 8 December 2015 00: 46
            +4
            Quote: Nikolai K
            "Maybe just start practicing public executions?"
            Where do we start, from Putin or Medvedev?

            Chuck and Huck are bargaining pawns, sacrificial rams, if something happened.
            The steam locomotive should go Chubais, Prokhorov, Potanin, Abramovich, Deripaska and further on the list. At the head of the list is Humpback. The country urgently needs a new channel connecting 4 oceans.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 01: 41
            +6
            Quote: Nikolai K
            I am afraid that in our country even public executions will not stop the theft, because everyone will understand that they shot those who could not give a bribe, and who richer would defer.

            Is it really impossible to find two thousand incorruptible oprichniks all over the country? From my army experience I know - you can. Even from all over the country, but you can. And not a thousand, but a lot more. Here are them "with an ax" and send. Of course, the army and the police functions are different things, but they will receive an order and they will go. In Singapore, for example, it helped. And it will help us. It's just that every thief should know one thing - IMMEDIATE AND HARDNESS OF PUNISHMENT. Let me say anything about upbringing, but to educate the people can only be the oprichnina. Then the second or third generation will grow up with the thought that not to steal is normal.
            Quote: Nikolai K
            The fight against thieves is another story, which also needs to be addressed. But who interferes in parallel solve medicine problems.

            Duc this is The MAIN problem of medicine. And not only medicine. Everything that surrounds us. From the corner store to global national projects. How much good can be done with the money stolen by Taburetkin and his women? How many nurses can be fed on the salary of the head physician of a village clinic if he receives as a deputy of the State Duma, and a nurse 8 tyr.? How many ambulances can you buy if you do not pay the analytical service of the Ministry of Health of 500 people, which is engaged only in composing beautiful reports?

            Theft is like "the answer to the main question of life, the universe and all that." Only with us this is not an answer, but a question. And we must have the same answer and definitely specific.
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 8 December 2015 02: 22
              +4
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A

              Normal manifest, very vital!
              Only the chamber is weak, here's the topic

              And for those especially distinguished in this way:

              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 02: 27
                +2
                Quote: Stroporez
                Only the chamber is weak, here's the topic

                The topic is good, but it is good for global correction of the situation with corruption. And I have an addressable tool. Selective. Humane. After all, it has long been known - shoot five - 100 will cease to sin. Where then without humanism?
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 8 December 2015 02: 45
                  +6
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  Where then without humanism?

                  I’ll tell you as a soldier to a soldier: if Joseph Vissarionovich was not such a gentle person, then we didn’t have this situation now, so we must take into account the error ... yes
                  1. topical
                    topical 8 December 2015 09: 17
                    -5
                    Quote: Stroporez
                    I will tell you as a soldier to a soldier: if Joseph Vissarionovich was not such a gentle person

                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    And I have an addressable tool. Selective. Humane. After all, it has long been known - shoot five - 100 will cease to sin.

                    Quote: Zoldat_A
                    That's why I write - shoot!

                    Lord, where do sadists and murderers come from? And why are they allowed to speak out on the site? Where is the moderation? And after all other maniacs support, put pluses!
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 13: 10
                      +3
                      Quote: topic
                      Lord and where do sadists and murderers come from?

                      From there, from where everyone else. Homeland brought up. And I have always been grateful to fate that I was born in this country and the Motherland, which raised me just like that - a "sadist and murderer", accustomed to hate her enemies - both external and internal. And to the extent of their modest powers, destroy them. At least external ones turned out. I have not tried the internal ones - the Criminal Code does not order.

                      And you, our tolerant one, would like to remind you that the death penalty as the highest measure of social protection and confiscation of property in our country was abolished precisely thanks to "humane" Europe. AND what we have is largely due to Europe. Apparently, you go there. There is no capital punishment, they are tolerant of criminals, there Conchita Wurst ...
                      1. topical
                        topical 8 December 2015 14: 12
                        -5
                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        From there, from where everyone else. Homeland brought up.

                        This is not your homeland raised. It looks like you have some other problems. Mental properties.
                      2. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 14: 28
                        +5
                        Quote: Zoldat_A
                        Quote: topic
                        Lord, where do sadists and murderers come from?

                        No, it's okay like that! He called the whole nation maniacs, sadists and murderers, smeared a minus and silently dumped it, grabbing a comment. Well, worthy, European, tolerant ... Well done, topical!negative
            2. Nikolay K
              Nikolay K 8 December 2015 14: 47
              +3
              You can find a couple of dozen oprichniks, only who needs it, do you? Those who are now in power clearly do not need this. Firstly, of course, this is not in their personal interests, and secondly, people and so on. So, while people vote for crooks and thieves, nothing will change, and no oprichnina will happen. And in general, do not be naive, the oprichnina is used as a means of combating the unwanted to maintain power, but this is not an instrument for self-cleaning of the power itself.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 15: 41
                +1
                Quote: Nikolai K
                So, while people vote for crooks and thieves, nothing will change, and no oprichnina will happen. And in general, do not be naive, the oprichnina is used as a means of combating the unwanted to maintain power, but this is not an instrument for self-cleaning of the power itself.

                Well, I didn’t talk about the oprichnina of the Ivan the Terrible sample ... I mean, we need people who submit exclusively to the head of state, who are ready to fulfill any order of the head of state and incorruptible by definition. Well, the main component is the will and ability of the head of state to eradicate one or another evil.
                Currently, Singapore, a tough authoritarian state, occupies a leading position in the world ratings for the absence of corruption, economic freedom and the level of development. Of course, it is difficult to compare a small island state with a population of 4 million people with immense Russia with a different history and traditions. But Singapore's example shows how, thanks to political will, effective anti-corruption legislation and an incorruptible independent agency, corruption can be reduced to a very low level in just a few years.

                In the implementation of anti-corruption legislation in practice, the role of a special agency, the Bureau for Investigation of Corruption, is very significant.

                The Bureau’s working methods are truly authoritarian. It has the exclusive right, without a court decision, to detain and search suspected corruption acts, if there are grounds for it in accordance with the Law. It can conduct an investigation not only against the suspect, but also his relatives and guarantors, check any of their bank, share and settlement accounts and financial records. It may call witnesses for interrogation, as well as investigate any offenses revealed in the course of studying a corruption case.
                “The bureau causes fear in the hearts of many Singaporeans, especially those prone to corruption. The Singapore bureaucracy is afraid of the Bureau as the all-seeing eye of the ruling party. The bureaus are respected for their efficient work and sophisticated methods of action. It is also called the Bureau of Infectious Greed Investigation.
                The bureau has the right to bring to trial any citizen, regardless of his status, rank or religion. Exceptions for senior civil servants, as is the case in Russia, are not made. Particular attention is paid to law enforcement officials and employees who occupy potentially corruptogenic positions by the nature of their activities.
                I hope I do not deserve accusations of offtopic, because the current state of our medicine is only a special case of a general corruption infection that has hit the country.

                And about the Singapore fight against corruption it is well written here - http://sudanet.ru/borba_s_corrupciei_v_singapure I directly envy them with white envy.
        5. onizhe
          onizhe 7 December 2015 21: 21
          10
          You ran into an ambulance here, well, well ... But we are not a philonym, we work as best we can, and we don’t extort money from anyone. It is very difficult to solve the regiment's problem with one company, but we are trying to do it, because we have no other choice. We were simply put in a situation from which there is no way out. And not only in terms of general understaffing. 2 years ago we were on the emergency special brigade, incl. and cardiological. Not long before that, we were charged with carrying out thrombolysis, this is a very effective method of treatment, and not just assistance, for myocardial infarction. The method is quite dangerous, all over the world it is carried out only by specialists, but thanks to the efforts of the St. Petersburg "scientist" Westernizer Bagnenko and employees of the Ministry of Health, these brigades were abolished. Accordingly, thrombolysis has now become the responsibility of all doctors, and even emergency medical assistants. At the same time, the economic component did not play any role. The doctors of the cardiological teams did not receive additional payments. As a result - a lot of mistakes. Of course, the official reports are full of optimism, they are only based on linden. None of the expert doctors will put a negative resolution on the "wrong" thrombolysis of a paramedic who was forced to do something for which he is in principle not adapted. There is, of course, the patient, but he is not always alive, and is hardly interested in the all-powerful statistics. At all ambulance conferences, all the chief doctors foaming at the mouth argued the need for cardio brigades, but our relatives were invariably opposed. Now about the participation of "paid ambulances" in the program of state guarantees. It's just awful. We have everything clearly documented, who arrived at the call, what equipment we are equipped with, what certificates the employees have, and regular training is taken into account. There's nothing. There is no equipment, no medicine, a half-trained paramedic can work on the call. When exactly they arrived at the call, no one is interested either. These are the realities.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 01: 54
            +6
            Quote: onizhe
            You ran into an ambulance, well, well ...

            Quote: onizhe
            Of course, official reports are full of optimism, they are only based on linden.

            Quote: onizhe
            There's nothing. There is no equipment, no medicine, the under-trained paramedic can work on a call. When exactly they arrived on a call nobody cares either. These are the realities.

            Nito does not run into an ambulance. They run into those on whom the work of the ambulance depends, then they send the ambulance to a call with one green stuff (the medicine, of course, is good, but not universal), who does not buy for the ambulance car, who steals the surcharges that are required for the ambulance ". Son-in-law, surgeon, moonlighting on the ambulance. So the son-in-law gets 25 together with the ambulance, and the head physician - 450. The regional hospital in the village ... That's why I write - shoot! Not those who are in this car trash with a bubble of green leaves on their roads. Those who make them work this way. And who then writes beautiful reports, how everything has tripled in our country.
        6. g1v2
          g1v2 7 December 2015 22: 16
          0
          My father got a second stroke right behind the wheel. He was taken to a hospital in the center of St. Petersburg. For 2 days he lay in the corridor, only on the second day his doctor examined. The neighbors were informed only a few days later, they didn’t even call relatives, although he’s in the base and it’s easy to break through the family. Only a week later I found out that something had happened to him. This is probably the officials to blame, right? I guess Putin should have called and examined the father of the paralyzed? Or are doctors anyway? And I repeat - the center of St. Petersburg.
          The 80s and 90s hit hard on the psychology of people. The measure of everything was money. Doctors want only money, teachers, officials - EVERYTHING. Unfortunately, at least one generation will not change and the majority will not be young specialists who are not spoiled by the struggle for survival and the scum of the 80s and 90s, nothing will change. In recent years, I have been dealing with some government agencies - the UFMS, tax, medical organizations, etc. And I know one not tricky rule - if there is a choice between a young doctor, an official, an operations officer and a 40-50 year old - you have to go to the young one. At least there are more chances that they will help you, but will not say - everything is wrong with you, but I will not help you, go and redo it. It happened more than once that young specialists helped where the aunts aged yelled and sent to FIG. I’m sure that the situation will improve only when young people come to schools, hospitals, and institutions. Let them know something worse and have less experience, but the desire to help, not to kick off, compensates for everything.
          Well, about paid medicine. I don’t know where, but here in St. Petersburg it is in fact mostly paid, even if it is considered free. The doctor clearly says - you need a paid or free injection, but free, he says, I do not immediately advise. Naturally, you say, paid. My brother had problems with his stomach - could not diagnose YEAR. They paid a lot of money in a paid one, but they nevertheless made a diagnosis. The best of course is personal connections. There, too, my brother had problems with his back - neither paid nor free doctors helped. I already dodged around did not know how to help, but in the end I found garters for a specialist from the Polenov Institute. Analyzes, of course, were paid and procedures, but they cured quickly and inexpensively. Because he became not a stranger, but a friend. request So, of course, specialists should speak, but in fact we have no free medicine left, and the one that is - well, it is in FIG. Paid - knocking out money, even when relatives have problems, I immediately start looking for friends, acquaintances and any personal ties.
          1. Egen
            Egen 8 December 2015 04: 58
            +1
            Quote: g1v2
            I don’t know where, but here in St. Petersburg

            Something your Peter ... A relative died in September, 39 years old. PLANNED, as they said, not an elementary but idle "female" operation a year after giving birth ... You'd better come to us in Siberia (
        7. xBoris
          xBoris 8 December 2015 15: 31
          0
          ..that is the worst thing.
          Ordinary hard workers - they try .. They carry on their shoulders these hospitals, factories .. factories .. And those who are "effective managers" are engaged in profitable sales and maximum effect of these sales for their pockets. And to drive them away from the feeder - well, no way. Sucked on a sis like kangaroo guys !! If you don't tear it, you cannot tear it off !!
          In our company - and this is one of the 2 largest in the country that ensure the transfer of all Internet and telephone channels - these managers have laid hands. You can’t count the staff .. More than 25 departments !!! Is it conceivable ..?!
          And the result is .. ?? The company is barely surviving. It is clear that the price of a megabit is falling .. Competition, crisis .. But - 25 departments that need to be maintained ..
      2. dr.star75
        dr.star75 7 December 2015 17: 48
        +1
        Our medicine has long been insurance!
        1. PIN
          PIN 7 December 2015 18: 00
          +3
          The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation warns: DANGEROUS for life!
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 8 December 2015 03: 21
            +6
            Quote: PIN
            The Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation warns: DANGEROUS for life!
            Here are all the PRACTICAL recommendations of our Ministry of Health.
        2. shtanko.49
          shtanko.49 7 December 2015 20: 01
          +3
          Only insurers are the same as in CTP, do not help but rip off.
          1. Nikolay K
            Nikolay K 8 December 2015 14: 55
            0
            On the one hand, you are right, insurance for compulsory motor third-party liability insurance are still those crooks. At least half of the money is stolen. But now, imagine if instead of paying CTP, you were offered to appear at the STATE STO and make repairs there. Do you think less money would be plundered? Hardly. And now provide what quality of repair would be at these service stations, definitely would have to pay extra or redo it.
      3. starshina78
        starshina78 7 December 2015 18: 09
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        There is a research institute named after A. Herzen. considered the best in oncology in Russia. My relative was treated there. The first words of the doctor after the examination and the proposal for the operation were - "Do you have money for the operation? No? Then I give you a note, you go to such and such a bank and they give you the loan the required amount." The operation cost 400000 rubles, for each visit to the doctor after the operation from 30000 to 100000, depending on what the doctor did or not. Did not help ! She died three years later. It so happened that over a period of time several of my friends and relatives were diagnosed with cancer. And everyone paid! They paid for a quota to get to the bed, for operations, for prescribing the necessary medicine, for each examination, for chemistry and radiation. Yes, even for a lousy injection until you put a nurse in your pocket, she won't even look at you. Prices are different everywhere. The largest in Herzen, the smallest in Kashirka, and the smallest in the oncological dispensary in Balashikha. Everywhere they take money without a twinge of conscience. And in city polyclinics without money, too, nowhere. Your example. It was necessary to do Holter (they hang up the device and for a day he takes readings of how the heart works), so he came to five o'clock to sign up. Was sixth. There were enough coupons for only four, and the rest were told - “If you want, then pay 1000 rubles, or come back another time!” Such nonsense with ultrasound, and with X-rays, and with an appointment for other examinations. Three - five coupons, and the rest for money or in a month, or even one and a half. And if it hurts now, and in a month you can die without this research, nobody cares. Need urgently - pay! Although Article 41 of the Russian Constitution guarantees free assistance. It turns out that there is a direct violation of the Constitution?
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 20
          +8
          I agree in many respects, but not the doctors are to blame, but the HEALTH SYSTEM. I explain. Now ALL the money that employers pay in the form of tax is collected by the compulsory insurance fund. EVERYTHING! Further distributes to regional funds. And then the most interesting. They adopted standards to pay for both a specific case of treatment and the number of treated patients per year. Assume a hospital plan of -100 patients per year. treated 90, received money for 90, the remainder in profit. hospital-110 treated, but it will receive anyway for 100, i.e. the hospital must find reserves for the treatment of another 10 patients at its own expense! Do you understand? plan in medicine. It is necessary to guess, for example, in December 2015 how much will get sick and than in 2016. Is this normal?
          1. Egen
            Egen 8 December 2015 05: 03
            +1
            Quote: dr.star75
            treated 90, received money for 90, the rest in profit. hospital-110 treated, but will receive anyway for 100, i.e. the hospital must find reserves for the treatment of another 10 patients at its own expense!

            her, but we do not! first, we have by appointment, several months in advance. but it is clear that the head physician and others are dragging "their" out of turn. or not their own but "from above", no difference. And the plan must be 1%, otherwise you will not believe it! - for overfulfilment, they remove the premium in the form of KTU. Therefore, doctors have to refuse someone who signed up. Insanity, I agree, but everything is correct -
            Quote: dr.star75
            compulsory insurance fund
            , they have their own economy and re-plan is not profitable for them, as we understand ...
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        3. Vadim2013
          Vadim2013 7 December 2015 20: 24
          +2
          At the 214 clinic in Moscow, they did not give me a referral to an orthopedist. My joints hurt. They said it was necessary to do an X-ray of the knees, but there are no X-ray coupons, and maybe they will give it to me in two weeks.
        4. evgmiz
          evgmiz 7 December 2015 22: 50
          +5
          In the Constitution, our state is called social, but this is due to a typo - the missing letter a ...
      4. gladcu2
        gladcu2 7 December 2015 21: 40
        +2
        Nikolay K

        The fact that everything is not very clear, but what to do?

        First, I will give an answer why this happens.

        The tax policy of the state does not take into account production efficiency. A is common to all.

        For example, they pump oil. 10% of something there, profit or with total profitability. Grandmother sweeps with a broom, low productivity the same 10%. How much can you make with that broom?
        State hospitals, budget. Taxes came, taxes handed out. Efficiency is limited in a narrow framework of budget revenues.

        Private business. I saw the difference between the incomes of the population and the low efficiency of the budget hospital and arranged the milking of budget shortfalls. Those. merchants calculated the additional solvency of the population, and the state could not add these taxes.

        Which exit?

        Collection of tax revenues from local budgets. Organization of departmental hospitals under the patronage of local authorities. Targeted taxation. For example, a tighter private hospital is taxed in favor of the budget. And this is fair. So, as a private hospital lives due to the fact that the state keeps a low bar of taxes in this region.

        In short, to insert "stars" to the local regional administration for the imbalance from tax collection and distribution.

        Well, as a general problem, it is to increase production productivity. The higher the productivity, the more taxes you can charge. And of course, in order to immediately raise the production output by leaps and bounds, we need a state, issue credit at 0%.
        1. Egen
          Egen 8 December 2015 05: 09
          0
          Quote: gladcu2
          The tax policy of the state does not take into account production efficiency. And it is common to all. For example, they pump oil. 10% of something there, profit or total profit

          no no, here you are wrong. For oil-gas-coal there is still mineral extraction tax, have you forgotten? It was literally less than a month ago - the government raised the MET rate for Gazprom purely - to replenish the missing budget with something by 500 billion. Everything seems to be fine, the people’s money went to the people, but - they also took it away from the people, Gazprom was going to use this money build new wells, gas pipelines, etc. including to China, this money would go to contractors, for pipes, etc. And so - DO NOT go. Accordingly, the contractors were left without work and pipe factories. It seems that the grandmothers received their pensions - well, ... but somehow not quite, because they now have to feed the grandchildren of the unemployed. The conservation law however ... And 500 billion is a huge amount of money for development ...
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      5. xBoris
        xBoris 8 December 2015 15: 22
        0
        For that we have a tax police !! I don’t understand why they are?
        To control deductions from the salaries of teachers and doctors ..?
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    3. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 7 December 2015 15: 17
      20
      straight article on the topic of the day ... with such a level of medicine and education from year to year, the desire to pay taxes is decreasing and decreasing ... why pay the state if there is zero exhaust emissions ???
      1. jjj
        jjj 7 December 2015 15: 49
        +1
        Some observation is being asked for in the language:
        "People are happy to spend money on alcohol, tobacco, and gluttony. But they want to be treated for free."
        By the way, large private medical centers are seeking from the state the right to treat under compulsory medical insurance without taking or almost no money from patients. They believe that the compulsory medical insurance system is beneficial.
        My wife once applied for qualified paid help to the clinic of a medical university. Everything went well. And the doctor suggested canceling one paid appointment, replacing it with a free policy in the city clinic, where she, the doctor, conducts the appointment. She needed exactly such a patient for reporting.
        1. vandarus
          vandarus 7 December 2015 16: 17
          19
          And you, excuse me, pay income tax? And the structure of the social. deductions you know? What kind of free treatment are you talking about? It's time for the state to stop making faces, and to declare: there will be no pensions, there is no free medicine and there will not be, the money collected for the roads will be let loose. Then you and I will know "what kind of world we are." With all the consequences ... for the state.
          1. onizhe
            onizhe 7 December 2015 21: 43
            +1
            You are absolutely right. Recently, the patient’s social status has been added to the ambulance call card. About half of people of working age do not officially work, but they also receive medical care at the expense of those who work and pay taxes. This is our insurance medicine.
            1. ANTI.KORR.
              ANTI.KORR. 7 December 2015 21: 51
              +5
              Quote: onizhe
              About half of people of working age do not officially work, but they also receive medical care at the expense of those who work and pay taxes. This is our insurance medicine.

              Just do not blame everything on the unemployed officially!
              The money stolen in the country, or, for example, the money of the Russian oligarchy, is more than enough for medicine, space, education, and the army.
              And now they’re talking and showing through the main channel, if you want a joint prosthesis, pay at least 200 pieces, but don’t want to die.
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        3. Riv
          Riv 7 December 2015 16: 46
          +9
          Hence the moral: the point is not how much money is allocated, but in controlling their spending. Actually, the author speaks about this. Well, an expensive car was bought, well, it doesn’t work ... And from the beginning it was clear that it would not work. Who is responsible for this? None. Did you receive a statement from the prosecutor? No.
          Well, what to complain about?
        4. krasin
          krasin 7 December 2015 16: 50
          12
          Faced with medicine and not very happy, to put it mildly. I have a sore from my youth, I was with doctors of Soviet times. And I realized one thing: now doctors of the 90s graduate, while universities survived.
          They finished off for sheep, some for money, who bought a diploma in general.
          They came to medicine to earn money, not to treat people. I'm not talking about everyone. but the bulk of "doctors" are employed in medicine. Previously, the Soviet district paramedic knew and knew more. Here is my conclusion, and God forbid to get sick.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 32
            +8
            I’m a doctor myself, son of a doctor! Believe me, it’s not so simple with us. No one here wants paid medicine! And most of them in the 90s studied honestly!
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 7 December 2015 20: 15
              +7
              Quote: dr.star75
              I myself am a doctor, son of a doctor!

              Bad people among doctors are found just like good people among traffic cops. The point is not that you are a doctor, but that such a system is indifferent created in medicine. I understood the article and therefore agree with it. I myself came across it tightly, my wife is disabled. Therefore, I can cite cases like nobility, I’m not afraid of this word, as well as the meanness of physicians. I wish you to be a Doctor with a capital letter.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 7 December 2015 22: 10
                +5
                And you do not get sick, and health spouse.
              2. Sling cutter
                Sling cutter 8 December 2015 00: 18
                +3
                Quote: There was a mammoth
                It’s not that you are a doctor, but that such a system is indifferent created in medicine.

                First of all, a rotten system of power has been created -that is the stove from which you must dance!
                Everything else is the consequences generated by this system.
                With this system, hoping for the best is at least stupid.
            2. Hardy
              Hardy 7 December 2015 22: 25
              +1
              Quote: dr.star75
              I’m a doctor myself, son of a doctor! Believe me, it’s not so simple with us. No one here wants paid medicine! And most of them in the 90s studied honestly!

              And what did most learn? Like all people, regardless of gender, age, nationality, general health ... to be treated with chemistry with a bunch of side effects according to the same scheme that the official prescribed?))) They learned to treat the disease, and not the whole body. We have all the honey, only two types of help, or symptomatic, or substitute. It will not occur to our doctor that everything in the body is individual and interconnected. That, for example, catarrhal diseases is only a consequence of intestinal malfunction, and not an independent disease. That a tumor in the mammary gland is a consequence of problems in the ovaries. To cut a diseased organ does not mean cure ...
              It is possible that you tried to study well and want to help people. But within our "health care" system, this is impossible.
              1. dr.star75
                dr.star75 7 December 2015 23: 11
                +2
                Here, I strongly disagree with you. 1. The institute was just taught to treat a person, not a disease, and now the insurance company pays for the treatment of ONE completed case. If it is flu, then for example an ultrasound scan is not allowed (not paid), so all claims to the State Health Organization.2 are not 2 types of medicine, but treatment, and it can be etiological, symptomatic, replacement, and finally palliative. No. colds - INFECTIOUS! There is no flu virus, there is no disease! (Although everything is interconnected in the body: I ​​wet my feet, my throat hurts, my throat is flooded, my legs do not go! laughing ) 3. The etiology of the development of a mammary tumor is polyetiological and, when removed (and not excised), as a rule, combined treatment is used, including chemotherapy, radiation treatment and hormone therapy. 4. our healthcare system is not the worst in the world.
                1. Egen
                  Egen 8 December 2015 06: 11
                  0
                  Quote: dr.star75
                  The institute was just taught to treat a person

                  Michael, in 1, where, who and when did you teach? )
                  In 2, you say yourself — the generation of 90's was taught by teachers from the times of the USSR, but they themselves are a new generation, and the second question is how they listened to this knowledge. Well, in 3's it’s a matter of motivation, incl. payroll.
                  Specifically about us. The wife was the head of department in the regional hospital, she graduated from the local medical academy just at the end of Soviet times. She and an older generation in the hospital were only a few, either enthusiasts, or who had nowhere to go - hereditary doctors. Here they are still trying to treat patients within the system.
                  The new generation can do the best it can - open a textbook, look at the diagnosis and prescribe a medicine / treatment according to the template. But how many times has my wife canceled those appointments, because they contradict the general picture of the state and will only bring harm. Ie, you need not just look at the number "1", but add at least 1 + 1, but preferably 2 + 2 ... but few people know how to do this, and the rest of the majority do not need it. It is not so much the system of universities that is to blame, but in general - such a life, no one cares.
                  And an incentive. Head of the hospital department, high school, experience more than 20l - it seems to be not bad. 5 years ago, ZPL was 15tr, for nurses 40-60. Then they started to lift, it came to 23, but - over the past year, I again went to 16. Work may not have increased dramatically, but certainly has not decreased.
                  For reference, in November 3 paid for an ordinary apartment 78k 2m6800. School costs almost the same for children.
                  Well, and who wants medicine?
                2. Hardy
                  Hardy 8 December 2015 13: 25
                  0
                  Quote: dr.star75
                  Here, I strongly disagree with you. 1. The institute was just taught to treat a person, not a disease, and now the insurance company pays for the treatment of ONE completed case.


                  Yes, with a desire and a thoughtful approach, classical honey education provides a good basis for self-development, the study of the same oriental medicine ...
                  And many doctors (most often neuropathologists), hiding at work their attitude to official methods of treatment, successfully treat at home, including tumors, without a scalpel and chemistry. But it takes about an hour to receive one patient, and if for the first time, then more.
      2. topical
        topical 8 December 2015 09: 22
        +2
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        from year to year the desire to pay taxes is decreasing and decreasing ...

        According to studies by the World Bank (WB), the level of taxation in Russia is higher than the world average - 49% against 43%. And the level of labor taxes (income tax plus mandatory payments for social payments) is 36% - in comparison, for example, with 25% in Germany or 10% in the USA. Nevertheless, the Russians in 2015 faced a galaxy of fees that increased the burden on their wallets. What will happen next?
  2. Diana Ilyina
    Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 14: 51
    63
    I alone in my head do not fit the foreign policy of Russia with the domestic ?! I like how Russia is behaving now in foreign policy, but in domestic, it’s just a uniform mess and the end of the land is not visible to him!
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 7 December 2015 15: 05
      +7
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      ... Russia's foreign policy does not fit in with domestic ?!
      - We live according to Mandelstam:
      ... We live, without feeling the country ...
      1. vovanpain
        vovanpain 7 December 2015 15: 16
        15
        Quote: maximNNX
        And not once in my life didn’t I pay. So tired

        This is where there is such a paradise on earth. Last year they sent me to do the neck, came with money, so businessmen in white coats wanted to push me forward for insulators. I did not do the procedure, and when the neck was extorted, extortion of money began, let’s check your head and spine only pay, so in any clinic.
        1. vandarus
          vandarus 7 December 2015 16: 21
          11
          You are very lucky. Usually, medicine for money differs from free medicine only in that it is for money.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 7 December 2015 20: 36
            +4
            Quote: vandarus
            You are very lucky. Usually, medicine for money differs from free medicine only in that it is for money.

            And here it is not)))
            Difference in boot covers !!!
            In paid medicine, shoe covers are free, and in free medicine, 5 rubles per pair.
            In general, God grant everyone health, so that you would not get into any medicine.
            1. onizhe
              onizhe 7 December 2015 22: 05
              +2
              An original look, but here shoe covers in our clinic give out free of charge. Yes, it would be better if paid, if only the doctors were. I myself am a doctor, I looked at how much an appointment with an ordinary therapist. Poor people, and not always in terms of money, some just need sick leave. Before taking paracetamol, anyone can think of it.
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        3. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 7 December 2015 17: 20
          10
          Yes, I am ashamed of my colleagues. We have the only excuse for the poor salary. Although this of course does not justify any of us. recourse
          1. bastard
            bastard 7 December 2015 17: 56
            +3
            Quote: Dr. Bormental
            Yes, I am ashamed of my colleagues. We have the only excuse for the poor salary. Although this of course does not justify any of us.

            I respect a person of any profession, be it a doctor or a janitor. And it’s not only doctors who have beggarly salaries, although I think it’s not any easier to become a good locksmith. This is what the soul lies to. I do not understand those who go into the profession because of money, there should be a sincere interest in the work itself.
            Sincerely. hi
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 09
              +2
              With all due respect to the profession of a locksmith, can he change the inserts of the engine when it works? And have not changed it yet? hi
              1. bastard
                bastard 7 December 2015 18: 48
                +3
                Quote: dr.star75
                With all due respect to the profession of a locksmith, can he change the inserts of the engine when it works? And have not changed it yet?

                I am not a doctor, but as far as I know, when an artificial valve is installed, the heart is "turned off".
                On the car, some adjustments are made with the engine running.
                Each profession has its own specifics and subtleties.
                You didn’t even earn a minus with your remark!
                1. Egen
                  Egen 8 December 2015 06: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: villain
                  I am not a doctor, but as far as I know, when installing an artificial valve, the heart is "turned off". On cars, some adjustments are made when the engine is running. Each profession has its own specifics and subtleties.

                  in! and I’m just a motorist) Her guys are not so simple in medicine, and the valve on the heart is just akin to an insert, not an adjustment of valves ... This is the whole human body, you can’t turn it off, there are so many factors! A little where I made a mistake on a micron - everything, as you can’t go over the engine (
            2. dr.star75
              dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 09
              -1
              With all due respect to the profession of a locksmith, can he change the inserts of the engine when it works? And have not changed it yet? hi
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    2. STALK1974
      STALK1974 7 December 2015 15: 07
      +8
      Sometimes I remember JV Stalin, with his internal policy, "Doctors' case", etc.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 15: 14
        34
        Quote: STALK1974
        Sometimes I remember JV Stalin, with his internal policy, "Doctors' case", etc.


        I will tell you more, the more I look at what has been happening in the country lately, the more I want to resurrect Comrade Stalin and Comrade Beria! People were able to work in wartime, not a couple to our government!
      2. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 7 December 2015 17: 29
        12
        Yes, there is rot in our ranks, I confirm, but where is it not now? One size fits all is not necessary. The saddest thing is that all these "doctors", and in Russian, bribe-takers and extortionists cannot stand work in a team, their colleagues themselves survive, and so these "doctors" become all sorts of bosses, ministers of health, etc. from which neither us (the doctors) nor the patients have any life. That's what is sad.
        PS. My father (also a doctor) always told me-study, son, study! You will learn - you will be a good doctor, you will not learn - you will be a chief doctor smile
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    3. Scoun
      Scoun 7 December 2015 15: 23
      12
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      Russia in foreign policy, but in domestic, is just a form of lawlessness and he does not see the end of the land!

      If you look from the side it turns out something like this.
      We were shown the "white ribbon" brave ones who discredited a real protest, then the example of urkaina once again showed us what can happen when "they are not looking for good" and showing really significant events for Russia, raising the spirit of the electorate, strengthening it in the fight against sanctions, others launched mechanisms ... as an example.
      Doctors are being cut back (MAKS is delaying payments). Medved is talking about raising the retirement age, they are talking about 71 years of life))) and Ulyukaev is talking about cutting off social programs, medicine and education.
      For teachers and this fact, salaries were cut off, students are introduced subjects such as religious ones (cluttering up education) ...
      Tax innovations now allow you to see the flow of goods and tightened the tax. truckers are not outraged not without reason .. all partner companies have notified me of price increases, we are notifying ... and we are fighting inflation)))) by the discount method via capes)))
      PS
      I see not only black))) but if something does not fit .. then it already causes curiosity, I apologize that it is a bit messy)))
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 15: 34
        29
        Roman, yes you wrote everything correctly, it’s just a lot of inconsistencies, it’s a lot of inconsistencies; There is a revival of the military-industrial complex and it’s wonderful, but we are healing something, and we are mutilating something, and we are getting more mutilated than we are healing! Well, the restoration of the military-industrial complex does not fit in with the collapse of the country, on the one hand! On the other hand, how else can one characterize what is happening in the economy, education and medicine, except as wrecking, and by and large a betrayal of the interests of Russia! And this at a time when, practically, the West declared war on us!
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 7 December 2015 16: 08
          +6
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          all to list hands will fall off on the clave to knock!

          ++))) we are talking about innovation, but as the results of the recent international Olympiads in mathematics and physics show, we are clearly moving there but in the other direction.
          We talk about the latest developments in the interests of the defense industry and we read it like a military satellite - "I couldn't."
          As part of the import substitution)) I see places in motion, a European sensor for 80 euros replaced with its own from Yekaterinburg for 840 rubles, and on the other hand, in the conditions of the crisis, they cut the wings of companies (small in the first place), making it impossible to adapt, including raising tariffs and rising prices.
        2. dr. sem
          dr. sem 7 December 2015 17: 08
          10
          About restoring the power of the military-industrial complex ...
          The current elite in the Russian Federation sees the FEEDER.
          On the electorate - do not care from the election to the election.
          Military power is needed so that the evil Western Anglo-Saxons do not take the FEEDER. Well, I do not want the elite to hang out in the loop like Hussein, Gaddafi and others like them. So they press on the military-industrial complex, hoping to scare away the evil share ...
          On medicine, education, social guarantees, pensions ... - THIS ON ,,, s.RAT !!!
          It does not bring income, but what is our Lyulyukaev economy? The answer is correct. Liberal ... So that the current children "at the helm" are taking care not about the people, but about themselves loved ones. And only because of this "a striking difference between foreign and domestic policy is visible."
      2. SALLAK
        SALLAK 7 December 2015 15: 43
        20
        The question is, why do people live for the state and not vice versa ... ??? they ring beautifully from the stands, but in essence ... Each businessman official cares about his w ..., the security forces are watching so that the herd does not make noise too for its piece of cake. As a result, the majority in ...
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 7 December 2015 17: 59
          0
          I agree with you completely, but that is how it was at all times, among all peoples.
      3. bastard
        bastard 8 December 2015 01: 09
        +2
        Quote: Scoun
        , students are introduced subjects such as religious (littering education) ...

        This is what our benefactors lead to, so that the doctor would say to the patient: "Twice a day before meals, 'Our Father', take communion, confess and may Gd help you." And on the table instead of the clinic there is a prayer book, and a chapel at the clinic. In ours, right across from the front desk, church junk is being sold, next to the ATMs. Such is the symbiosis.
    4. NordUral
      NordUral 7 December 2015 15: 30
      +3
      I agree with you.
    5. clidon
      clidon 7 December 2015 15: 36
      +5
      In my opinion, it fits in the most beautiful way.

      The young Russian capitalist state shows its teeth to those around it. For it's cool (well, who of the rulers doesn't want to see themselves cool and great?) And in general it's "our site, we've always been here!" It takes money, a lot of money. Where to get them? You can take money from oil, but as luck would have it, it fell in price.
      It remains to pump money from another resource - citizens. That is, cut the social network, increase the load and knock out more returns.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 15: 44
        23
        Alex, do you suggest not showing your teeth ?! So we did not seem to be the first to start! The beginning was laid back in Chechnya, then Georgia, Syria, Ukraine, who is next ?! It is clear that war is not cheap, and you need crazy money, the only question is whether you can shake a couple of governors like Sakhalin and there will be enough money right away and even in excess!
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        2. 34 region
          34 region 7 December 2015 17: 11
          +2
          And who will shake the governors? Well, they catch someone. A lot of confiscated or planted? Why is the enterprise or region unprofitable, and the leadership is getting richer? Well, where is the personal responsibility and effectiveness? To wage war, it is necessary to carry out industrialization. We apparently are not preparing for war. If we talk about partnerships, then for some reason we are passive partners, and our partners are active. And judging by the decisions of our leadership, they like it, be passive.
          1. Saratoga833
            Saratoga833 7 December 2015 18: 13
            +5
            Quote: Region 34
            A lot of confiscated or planted?

            The issue of confiscation from bribe-takers has been standing idle for many years, since our entire elite, starting with the "Guarantor", is categorically against confiscation!
            And in my opinion everything is very simple. There will be a guaranteed confiscation - there will be no sense in stealing in one way or another. But our chosen and appointed thieves are certainly categorically against it!
        3. clidon
          clidon 7 December 2015 20: 56
          +2
          Whatever I suggest, no one will listen to me. And so I don’t remember the side that would say "We started!" Turks, Ukrainians, Georgians all consider themselves victims - they only defended themselves and "not a foot" on the territory of Russia. Therefore, if you want to reduce the conversation to pure demagoguery as a tear, then it’s definitely better and you’ll start - "We are not guilty, they came themselves. We were only defending ourselves." Well, and then the rolled road along the Ukrainians and the fifth column to the dreams of the Empire and the historical mission of Russia.

          Shake the governors in the cap. this country is a Munichhausen business - how to pull oneself out of a quagmire by the hair. You can shake one of two, but when corruption itself its principle goes from the very top (and itself), when it is saturated with everything and is considered natural and taken for granted.

          Therefore, I will return to where I started to see nothing surprising in the current situation.
    6. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 December 2015 15: 56
      0
      Doesn’t Russia's foreign policy fit in with domestic?
      Everything fits together. And there. and there, anti-people politics.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 16: 03
        12
        Quote: Gardamir
        Doesn’t Russia's foreign policy fit in with domestic?
        Everything fits together. And there. and there, anti-people politics.


        What exactly did you see anti-people in Russian foreign policy ?! Give specific examples and specific facts! If there are none, then you should not throw empty accusations!
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 7 December 2015 17: 38
          -1
          Have you seen anti-people in Russian foreign policy?
          You can talk a lot and for a long time. Only if you are a smart person. Do you really believe that bandits can be destroyed by bombs?
          1. Diana Ilyina
            Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 20: 26
            +8
            [quote = Guardamir] [quote] You can talk a lot and for a long time. Only if you are a smart person. do you really believe that bandits can be destroyed by bombs? [/ quote]

            Firstly, this is not the answer to the question!
            Secondly, in Syria we are not so much fighting with bandits as for the geopolitical interests of Russia in this region! There are control over the transit of hydrocarbons through the territory of Syria, and price control, and our base, and much more! If you do not understand this, then I am sorry for you!
        2. ℳy ℒiƒℯ
          ℳy ℒiƒℯ 10 December 2015 00: 54
          0
          Quote: Diana Ilyina
          What exactly did you see anti-people in foreign policy

          Why does Russia have a bad domestic policy and a good foreign? Because they talk about foreign policy on Channel 1, and the Russians see domestic politics themselves.
    7. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 7 December 2015 18: 00
      +3
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      in the inside, it’s just a uniform mess and the end of the edge is not visible to him!

      This will be until Vladimir Putin and Medvedev are in power.
    8. onix757
      onix757 7 December 2015 19: 37
      +1
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      I alone in my head do not fit the foreign policy of Russia with the domestic ?! I like how Russia is behaving now in foreign policy, but in domestic, it’s just a uniform mess and the end of the land is not visible to him!

      Judging because I set you minus and plus appeared, it can be assumed that in front of me there are another 45 deceived people.
      1. Diana Ilyina
        Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 20: 27
        +8
        Quote: onix757

        Judging because I set you minus and plus appeared, it can be assumed that in front of me there are another 45 deceived people.


        This is not a question for me, but to the site administration!
    9. evgmiz
      evgmiz 7 December 2015 22: 56
      0
      Foreign policy in this case is a distraction.
    10. Hardy
      Hardy 8 December 2015 19: 20
      0
      Quote: Diana Ilyina
      I alone in my head do not fit the foreign policy of Russia with the domestic ?! I like how Russia is behaving now in foreign policy, but in domestic, it’s just a uniform mess and the end of the land is not visible to him!

      What do you like about the outside?
      We continue to feed those who betray us at the first opportunity. We are raking someone else’s tree in Syria. Sanctioned. We allow you to shoot down your planes, or rather, shot back with tomatoes ... We allow the Nazis to scoff at our people in Ukraine ...
      In my opinion, foreign policy fits well with domestic ...
  3. maxim1987
    maxim1987 7 December 2015 14: 52
    -6
    all the time I hear nagging about medicine.
    I myself am a disabled person of the 1st group cost the state about 1 million a year. He did several operations, etc. Every year I go through a bunch of tests. And not once in my life didn’t I pay. So tired
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 14: 56
      19
      Quote: maximNNX
      And not once in my life didn’t I pay.

      laughing You are very lucky .. Do not tell me such a beautiful region. we certainly do not have this MRI anywhere. For cash only ...
      1. maxim1987
        maxim1987 7 December 2015 14: 59
        +4
        [quote = domokl] You are very lucky .. Do not tell me such a beautiful region. we certainly do not have this MRI anywhere. Only for cash ... [/ quote
        Nizhny Novgorod and Chuvashia
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 7 December 2015 15: 57
          +5
          Nizhny Novgorod
          You forgot to say about the lineup for a free MRI. yes
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      3. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 7 December 2015 15: 11
        +2
        Quote: domokl
        Do not tell me such a beautiful region
        - Moscow and a couple of regional cities ...
    2. Michael-rl
      Michael-rl 7 December 2015 16: 36
      +7
      Well, here, too, two sides. My grandmother, a WWII veteran of 92 of the year, had a microinfarction - and she also didn’t pay for anything - neither for traveling by bus to the hospital, because the ambulance refused to come, nor for a bed in the corridor, because there were no seats. Well, at least the drugs are free ...
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 7 December 2015 17: 35
        +3
        Here is my grandmother, a veteran of the Second World War, 92 years old - there was a microinfarction -
        I didn’t pay - neither for traveling by bus to the hospital, because the ambulance refused to come, nor for a bed in the corridor, because there were no seats. Well, at least the drugs are free ...


        You will be absolutely right if you inform the insurance company by phone (see policy) and write a complaint and file it with the court. The payout will be small, but still.
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    3. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 16: 46
      15
      all the time I hear nagging about medicine.
      And not once in my life didn’t I pay. So tired

      In vain minus. It happens, imagine. Probably maxim from a provincial city from 500 to 800 thousand population.
      I applaud the author of the article standing, at which he is clearly not a medic and did not dwell on the most burning problems.
      Roshal publicly told GDP that funding should be three times as much, I’ll add that it’s more realistic 5 times as much. I would limit free medicine to those whose income is more than 500 thousand per year per person, and the compartment of those whose income is from a million or more. Yes, do not be surprised, these all strive for the state to save both a ticket and disability. How would we get unemployed in Maybach and Lexus I would like to know.
      Medical equipment should be nationally intended, this is a strategic industry, the defense industry would be able to cope with it.
      Pharmaceuticals must be domestic, it is also a strategic industry, especially vaccinations. The vaccine against polymyelitis was delivered from the USSR to 70 countries of the world, if not more, and now?
      You can endlessly list the problems of medicine. First of all, raise the salary. For many years I was on duty for 10-15 shifts per month + in the afternoon to the fullest. Now I can’t, diabetes, hypertension, complications of diabetes.
      But am I the only one? How long do doctors who have worked in emergency room all their lives live after retirement? Not everyone survives to retirement. And we are not so animals and corrupt as we are painted. Although as elsewhere, all sorts of cases do happen. hi
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 06
        +3
        Are you a doctor? wink ! I want to add: the minimum amount of government spending on medicine is -5% of GDP, while it does not develop, but at least it does not die. In Europe, about 7-8, in the SGA -15% In Russia, -3% And this is already 20 years old! What can we talk about? What is the development? Even without inflation and the dollar, for the 16-17 year in the budget it is planned to REDUCE the financing of medicine. What successes can Skvortsova talk about, if mortality rates in hospitals are already increasing, accessibility is falling. And given the fact that the demographic pit begins (women will give birth in disastrous 90-2000 years). So in the next 20 years we face a demographic failure. And then mortality will rise.
    4. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 7 December 2015 18: 16
      +2
      Quote: maximNNX
      all the time I hear nagging about medicine.

      Thank God that you are so fabulously lucky and you are one of a million! With what I congratulate!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 7 December 2015 21: 58
        +6
        dr.star75Are you a doctor? it turns out there are many conspiracy wink

        At EBN I came to the emergency room for a day, they gave me a pair of gloves and 5 films and spin as you like. Patients had to drive to the pharmacy for bandages, plaster. The film was cut into small pieces, wrapped in black paper and took pictures of only the sore spot. In a hospital, implants were chased to private firms. Now it’s much better, but this year of supply is worse than the previous one. There are many problems.
        And how many free shifts do you have as a result of shortening the working day (all ranks by rank, there is such a clause in the employment contract)? Ours have up to 5-7 per month. Those. came to work undressed, dressed and you can go back.
        And guys after a day get up a day to the machine with a saber to wave for the entire operational day without any additional payments for processing. Is that just us?
        hi
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 7 December 2015 22: 23
          +4
          We haven't thought of this yet, but there are more interesting ones. One traumatologist was "optimized", there were 3 left, the duty was not blocked, especially in the summer, when the holidays, worked for 3 months, went to the main one for justice. He thought about it and decided: why are there no urologists on duty? And made UROLOGOV on duty for traumatology. then there were also 3 of us, 3-4-5 shifts each. Now there are 2 of them. I was also "optimized", with 3 certificates, 2 children and a wife on maternity leave. And you say the trade union will intercede. Now the chief medical officer at the FSIN.
        2. dr.star75
          dr.star75 7 December 2015 22: 23
          +1
          We haven't thought of this yet, but there are more interesting ones. One traumatologist was "optimized", there were 3 left, the duty was not blocked, especially in the summer, when the holidays, worked for 3 months, went to the main one for justice. He thought about it and decided: why are there no urologists on duty? And made the UROLOGISTS to be on duty in traumatology, then there were 3 of us too, 3-4-5 were on duty. Now there are 2 of them. I was also "optimized", with 3 certificates, 2 children and a wife on maternity leave. And you say the trade union will intercede. Now the chief medical officer at the FSIN. The supply is better now. But there was a case, I learned to knit knots in gloves, washed several times, sharpened scalpels themselves, the tool crumbled during operations, the needles broke, etc.
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    5. dr. sem
      dr. sem 7 December 2015 18: 41
      -5
      Listen, INVALID Maksim1987, I feed you and pay for your treatment, work and pay taxes, I barely make ends meet. I am sick - they do not treat me, sometimes I go to work half-dead so that YOU, A DISABLED, mutatu write here.
      Better stall and do not come up.
      What is produced from you? Manure?
      1. dr. sem
        dr. sem 7 December 2015 19: 40
        -4
        By the way, INVALID Maksim1987, you do not cost the state 1 million rubles, but a working person. Therefore, this people has the right to decent treatment, which is not, and YOU - 404. Although, soon the whole country can become 404.
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 03
        +5
        Your right to contact the insurance company, phone number in the policy. Moreover, if the examination shows that your rights have been violated, the hospital will be fined, and you can go to court with the act of verification (targeted examination of your appeal). It is unlikely that the amount of compensation for moral and physical harm will be large, but they can be paid in court. For example, it will be proved that if you became a disabled person of group 3 due to the fault of doctors, then according to the law you will be paid up to 500 thousand. And why did the disabled person insult you?
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  4. Decathlon
    Decathlon 7 December 2015 14: 56
    14
    There is a small and cozy town in the snowy expanses of Western Siberia, an oil and gas town. And there is a small medical institution in it, something like a dispensary. So, the head of this "dispensary" has an annual income 5 times higher than that of the governor and 2 times higher than that of the President! True, he is also a deputy, maybe they pay extra for part-time jobs ?! wink What we are talking about?!
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    2. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 16: 59
      +8
      YES, he is not the only such head physician. It's time to wool this audience all over the country.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 7 December 2015 19: 14
        +4
        Oh!, I know him: Kolya Tashlanov! He has now squeezed the hotel complex "Yugorskaya Dolina"! .. Here, there is no ONF! winkKnock knock knock, I'm SKR is the best friend! wink
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 05
          +3
          And what does the popular front think about this? I don’t ask about the regional RF IC?
          1. ANTI.KORR.
            ANTI.KORR. 7 December 2015 22: 16
            +2
            Quote: Balu
            And what does the Popular Front think about this,

            the "popular" front is now thinking about the elections to the State Duma to support our "hope" and "support" yes
            1. bastard
              bastard 7 December 2015 22: 48
              +4
              Quote: ANTI.KORR.
              the "popular" front is now thinking about the elections to the State Duma,

              Isn't it time to create a people's rear to counterbalance the "popular" front?
              Pancake! But our "benefactors" may consider this as extremism! what
              1. ANTI.KORR.
                ANTI.KORR. 7 December 2015 23: 15
                +3
                Quote: villain
                Isn't it time to create a people's rear to counterbalance the "popular" front?

                Hello Colleague hi
                If you and I remember that HP was created by the authorities as a counterweight to the Left Front, and the "nationality" of this association is very conditional yes
                this is the project for the eighteenth year ...
                NT (nar.tyl) is an idea good After all, all victories are forged in the rear.
                Quote: villain
                Pancake! But our "benefactors" may consider this as extremism!

                I have a parrot at home, it’s also saying something wrong; I think I'll hand it over ..
                Remember in childhood, the movie was similar? wink
                1. bastard
                  bastard 8 December 2015 01: 22
                  +1
                  Quote: ANTI.KORR.
                  NT (nar.tyl) is an idea. After all, all victories are forged in the rear.

                  Good health, colleague! This is not my idea, someone said it in response to Tupin's idea about the Popular Front. More details in the film by Y. Mukhin "By Own Names". There were 3 episodes. There is no front without a rear.
                  Quote: ANTI.KORR.
                  I have a parrot at home, it’s also saying something wrong; I think I'll hand it over ..

                  Do not! Let the little animal live. hi
  5. Woodman
    Woodman 7 December 2015 15: 00
    +3
    Hooked ...
  6. alexdn
    alexdn 7 December 2015 15: 07
    18
    Everything with us, gentlemen, goes to the American model of healthcare and education: everything will be for banknotes.
    I won’t be surprised if resuscitation will soon be for love. And in a paid clinic (the same doctors as in the city) they will find in you such diseases that science does not even know about. Recently I came across an interesting demotivator: Medicines have risen in price so much that we will soon give them to each other for our birthday to live to the next !!
    1. ANTI.KORR.
      ANTI.KORR. 7 December 2015 22: 04
      +3
      Quote: alexdn
      Everything with us, gentlemen, goes to the American model of healthcare and education: everything will be for banknotes.

      A student friend lives in Canada, there, for citizens, medicine is free.
      Quote: alexdn
      Medicines have risen in price so much that we will soon give them to each other on their birthday to live to the next !!

      Thanks to our state and its head for taking care of the people .. am
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  7. ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 7 December 2015 15: 08
    24 th
    I have never encountered problems in this area. And in order to have more money for medicine, it is better to work.
    1. domokl
      domokl 7 December 2015 15: 15
      12
      what To whom? To us or to the state? If to us, then what is our state policy in the field of health care? If for the state, then what is our use of paid insurance services?
    2. miv110
      miv110 7 December 2015 15: 20
      14
      Everything is still ahead of you, sooner or later everyone will face it. Of course, it is necessary to work better - especially the "internal organs", otherwise this money is being scammed by offshore companies.
      1. 34 region
        34 region 7 December 2015 17: 18
        0
        The internal organs then work. The question is what do we have on the exhaust?
        1. miv110
          miv110 7 December 2015 18: 00
          +1
          Squatting air (sorry for the pun)
    3. Diana Ilyina
      Diana Ilyina 7 December 2015 15: 20
      18
      Ilya, you are very lucky! You are a happy person, which can not be said about most of our population! Although it’s probably where, in our Rostov Region, although you can’t say that a full fluffy animal, everyone forgot about free operations for a long time! For free anesthesia too!
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    5. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 7 December 2015 15: 52
      11
      Work, of course, is necessary, but it’s not worth it to promise. You can get on treatment so that it doesn’t seem enough.
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    7. 34 region
      34 region 7 December 2015 17: 17
      +4
      Interesting! How can a salesman, security guard, nurse, surgeon, janitor work better ... Discover the secret!
    8. Koshak
      Koshak 7 December 2015 17: 27
      +2
      In general, it’s better to be rich and healthy than the poor and sick tongue
      1. dr. sem
        dr. sem 7 December 2015 18: 51
        +1
        Dreaming is not bad ...
      2. bastard
        bastard 8 December 2015 03: 29
        0
        Quote: Koshak
        In general, it’s better to be rich and healthy than the poor and sick

        That's right! But, as soon as the doctors find out that you are very rich, they will put an enema under the brass band in the presence of invited, say, deputies or artists. For a fee, of course. And they will find a reason for the enema. laughing
    9. dr. sem
      dr. sem 7 December 2015 18: 49
      +1
      Dear, ilya_oz, no one is safe from the disease. If you are healthy, I’m happy for you, but although I want people like YOU to bend seriously and beat the thresholds of hospitals ... The only way it can come to what's what ....
  8. raid14
    raid14 7 December 2015 15: 13
    10
    Not so long ago I ran into our "free" medicine, as they say "head to head" did a medical certificate to replace the VU, this is something, everything is "sharpened" for profit.
    1. dr.star75
      dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 58
      0
      Medical examinations for obtaining rights, weapons permits, preventive examinations are not included in the guarantee for compulsory medical insurance! Read at your leisure. This is an OFFICIALLY paid service.
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 December 2015 15: 15
    13
    There is an MRI device in the hospital, I know for sure that it was purchased according to the state program. TWO lines, now - for the grandmother, 3-4 months later for free, if you survive. If you think that the device plows around the clock, then it is a mistake. INGRAUTS cut you like a ram, and try to blather.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 07
      +1
      So everywhere. Although, by order, paid services should be provided outside of working hours.
  10. STALK1974
    STALK1974 7 December 2015 15: 17
    +6
    My wife came to the therapist with a wild migraine that had been tormenting her for almost a month. And the doctor, age about 70, recommended taking an analysis, ATTENTION !!!, for worm eggs. Here we have doctors, Headaches treat Jo ..! Yes and I myself came to the ultrasound, the doctor watched exactly 1,5 minutes, what I saw there during that time I don’t know. But I wrote such a diagnosis that I urgently needed to go to the coffin. After a week I went to the same clinic, but to another, and all the rules . simply age-related changes and watched 15 minutes. But someone will get to the first doodle, and believe.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 17: 06
      +6
      They did not believe the old man in vain. In allergies, they are largely to blame for the simplest. Headache is a multidisciplinary concept, the causes are different from hypertension to instability in the cervical region. For example: abdominal weakened, pelvis turned around. To compensate for the displacement of the center of gravity, the bend in the cervical spine is increased. Overstrain of the muscles of the neck and scalp can in itself be the cause of pain. What to do? That's right, until the balance between the muscles holding the body in a vertical position is restored, the pelvis and center of gravity return to their place, the overstrain of the muscles of the neck and head will disappear. Something like that.
      A worm egg should be a mandatory analysis, especially if there is an allergy, problems with the liver and digestion. hi
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 7 December 2015 18: 38
        +2
        how much I looked at the results of these tests ... even if they found a worm egg in one! Tell us how in the hospitals these tests are done (they are named) wink
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 08
          0
          There is a certain technology of the fence, and not just bring in a box.
          1. dr.star75
            dr.star75 7 December 2015 22: 55
            0
            The technology is much simpler: usually the senior sister goes to the laboratory, takes forms, enters the names in them and pastes them in the medical history, since the insurance fines repeat .
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      2. STALK1974
        STALK1974 7 December 2015 19: 08
        0
        Yes, she has problems with the vessels. And why only one analysis, and not a complex, that is the question.
        1. Baloo
          Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 10
          +3
          At the heart of migraine is really vascular autonomic dysfunction, a complex problem. Oddly enough acupuncture. And watch the weather, the neurologist will tell the rest.
      3. Aleksandr1959
        Aleksandr1959 7 December 2015 21: 51
        +2
        Balu, you are probably one of the few surgeon-traumatologists, write about muscle testing, and accordingly, the identification, namely, the main causes of dysfunctions. I applaud !!!! Not many surgeons will be able to do such an analysis.
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  11. AUL
    AUL 7 December 2015 15: 18
    13
    And we’ve been fighting for a couple of years so that we can replace the local doctor in our clinic, nicknamed Elsa Koch. He does not treat, but alludes to some reward all the time. Directs to examinations and analyzes in paid (naturally) institutions. And the health department appealed to the deputies - all by the cash register.
    Here is our insurance free (useless) medicine!
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 12
      +2
      In addition to the insurance that gave you the policy, there is also a regional branch of the federal compulsory medical insurance fund, in parallel with the Federal Service for Supervision of Consumer Rights Protection and Human Welfare. These are even stricter than FOMS or SK experts.
  12. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 7 December 2015 15: 18
    +3
    Our health care or healthcare, whoever can be conveniently called, really has a lot of problems! But everything is relative! In the West, medicine is super, but its visit is also affordable. We also have all the treatment mainly through the pharmacy. And only free to get some salt. Now the economic situation leaves much to be desired and the country cannot increase costs, although before that there was a lot of talk, including about felshers and the revival of villages. Now everything has quieted down. in light of the situation in the Middle East and Western sanctions. The equipment in the main part is imported and sanctions also matter. For the part of the cards ... well, someone already chose such a device, ran into the hangover on the Internet and rummaged and ordered it quickly! The problem of medicine will hang for many more years, now only everyone has to rely on a wallet, on God and rolls in a handful ...
    1. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 7 December 2015 18: 28
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      In the West, medicine is super, but its visit is also affordable

      But for the most part we live, we are not in the West, but in Russia and I don’t give a damn about the West. I want my country to be at least as it was in the USSR! Better and better!
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 7 December 2015 19: 04
        +6
        What would medicine be like in the USSR, you first need to return the USSR. Now, such medicine is simply not affordable for us. NO such money! Calculate how much the USSR gave in world GDP and how much the RF is giving now. That's when we catch up with Amer.tfu, ourselves, then there will be medicine, and education, and so on.
  13. anfreezer
    anfreezer 7 December 2015 15: 22
    15
    So you read articles about our external movements, about Syria .. you are proud, there is something for that .. and then you are lowered to the ground, and it's all true .. Yesterday my beloved called an ambulance, there was nothing, no medicine, no directions, thanks doctors, there is still humanity and spiritual attitude ... thanks for this too ..
  14. NordUral
    NordUral 7 December 2015 15: 28
    17
    I read it recently.
    Message from the President of the Russian Federation in 2014: results and results
    http://topwar.ru/87427-dostupnuyu-i-besplatnuyu-medicinu-narodu-nu-da-potom.html

    #addcomment

    And not because I'm against Putin. I am against the thieves' system built by the liberals for a quarter century.
    But I will vote for him only when his words and deeds coincide. In the meantime, this is not very.
    And for the minuscule, I’m not a liberal, I’ve been a Stalinist for some time now, a supporter of the country's development in the Stalinist model of the post-war years, up to its death. Of course, given the past years.
  15. stilus40
    stilus40 7 December 2015 15: 39
    +7
    What are you talking about ???!!! What about paid medicine? Only recently, somewhere from a month and a half ago, on the news they showed how a woman passed tests to a paid clinic, and she was told that everything was fine with your health, and she knew that there were problems ... She turned to the journalists, they spent their investigation, they took urine from a sixty-year-old grandfather with a bunch of diseases in urology and, in general, passed it to 6 paid clinics, saying that it was the urine of a three-year-old child, and what do you think? In all clinics, after passing the tests, they said that your child is fine !!! It was in my opinion in Bashkiria now I don’t remember exactly ...
  16. yuriy55
    yuriy55 7 December 2015 15: 40
    +4
    It's not a fact that for your money you can get proper treatment in domestic medical institutions. The specialists there do not shine at all with knowledge, but are engaged (together with the employees of pharmacies) in the distribution of expensive drugs. One word - DOCTORS !!! negative
    And they must heal - HEALERS !!! good
    1. STALK1974
      STALK1974 7 December 2015 16: 10
      +3
      So it is necessary to clean from medical institutes. A student learns to badly expel tries .. such that there is less of any fucking .... there was!
      1. bastard
        bastard 7 December 2015 18: 34
        +3
        Quote: STALK1974
        So it is necessary to clean from medical institutes. A student learns to badly expel tries .. such that there is less of any fucking .... there was!

        I agree! Here is a film by B. Sobolev Part 2:
  17. denkastro
    denkastro 7 December 2015 15: 40
    -2
    All this, of course, is understandable, but there are no concrete measures besides all-out. Everyone only scolds, and when you ask and do what, then they begin to carry some garbage, such as to shoot or plant all. Well, shoot or plant and then what will be better? Others will also do! There is someone who offers something really practical, I’ll go vote for him, but for now clowns like Zyuganov (sitting on the salary by the way at the GDP) do not see any alternatives.
    1. STALK1974
      STALK1974 7 December 2015 15: 56
      +1
      It’s not necessary to shoot, but imprisonment for medical mistakes and depriving of the right to engage in medical activities is necessary. Then the doctors will be more responsible in their duties, and not in a hurry like now.
      1. Saratoga833
        Saratoga833 7 December 2015 18: 51
        +5
        This is not about medical errors, for which they are punished in any state under any social order. We are talking about the health system, which is completely rotten in our country and continues to rot, starting with the ministers. What can we say about paid medicine, when another minister took a penny drug, renamed it "Arbidol", lifted the price on it and continues to cut coupons. Impudent theft, not covered by anything or anyone, and not stopped or punished by anyone (!)! And what can we say about regional medical handlers!
        1. STALK1974
          STALK1974 7 December 2015 19: 24
          +2
          So here comes the error, because everyone doesn’t care, and impunity. Something I don’t remember if at least one doctor was sent to bed recently. What is the best way to work? The mistakes are all over the place. They cover each other, in t .h. and police sumedy, because doctors themselves. There was an example, it’s long been true when the dentist was closed, ATTENTION !!! FOR 2 YEARS, because I made a 5-year-old child an adult dose of lidocaine, and he died, and then they put him away because his parents went to the end and did not buy the exhortations of bureaucrats from medicine (like giving money, just don’t raise the boil). And what about us they began to treat better? This does not apply to professionals in their field, doctors from God, who bow deeply.
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 7 December 2015 16: 24
      +7
      Quote: denkastro
      There is someone who offers something really practical, I’ll go vote for him, but for now clowns like Zyuganov (sitting on the salary by the way at the GDP) do not see any alternatives.

      Zyuganov’s indecisiveness and conciliation are also not to my liking. However, he asked how the parties in the State Duma vote. Try it and you. Very instructive. Clowns call others.
  18. taseka
    taseka 7 December 2015 15: 41
    10
    I agree with the author! In Moscow, it’s certainly all right! Before our eyes, the Constitution of the Russian Federation is being raped, which says that medicine is free! Brazen and cynical!
  19. Fat
    Fat 7 December 2015 15: 41
    +6
    no matter how creatures get drunk in power. they forget the lessons of history. Russian rebellion is something they will not be happy about. And asking the people who have already paid taxes for shit
    1. bastard
      bastard 8 December 2015 03: 03
      +1
      Quote: Gros
      creatures in power cannot get drunk

      In whom there is both a conscience and a law,
      He will not steal, he will not deceive,
      Whatever need he may have;
      And give the thief at least a million -
      He will not stop stealing.

      "The Peasant and the Fox"
      I. A. Krylov
      November 1811, XNUMX
  20. ma_shlomha
    ma_shlomha 7 December 2015 15: 44
    +6
    So who are we kidding? Why talk about an improvement in insurance medicine?


    Are we kidding?
    We will not deceive ourselves, because we see with our own eyes how "affordable and free medicine" affects the people.
    We are not them.
    How THEY organized it - we see.
  21. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 7 December 2015 15: 44
    +9
    In a message from the President, she was surprised to hear that insurance companies appear to exist in order to protect the rights of patients.
    In fact, insurance companies exist for their own content, in addition, they have another role - to save money aimed at treating patients. Yes, there are a lot of standards in medicine, in general, they are needed, but the human body is unique and sometimes a slightly increased amount of treatment is needed. For such things, doctors are fined, and therefore today doctors are not thinking about how to cure the patient, but about how not to be fined.
    Insurance companies are a superfluous controlling element on whose maintenance considerable money which would be better spent for health care is spent.
    About commercial medical centers, they exist to extract money from patients, and only a few doctors who receive there really try to help the patient.
  22. STALK1974
    STALK1974 7 December 2015 15: 45
    14
    We had a week ago the chief doctor of the city polyclinic, the FSB opera took it directly to work. I wrote out bonuses to the employees, signed it myself, and money for myself, and not only that. And his wife has a paid clinic, well, she was seized. Now the whole health department The area of ​​cancer is worth it. Often it would be!
    1. 1536
      1536 7 December 2015 16: 00
      0
      Is that "1001 Nights"? Or "We were born to make a fairy tale come true"?
      1. STALK1974
        STALK1974 7 December 2015 16: 14
        +1
        Yes, no, not a fairy tale read in the network of the Vologda Mountains. facility number 4
    2. ma_shlomha
      ma_shlomha 7 December 2015 16: 01
      0
      Now the entire department of health care in the region is worth cancer. More often than not!


      Again gender? :-))
    3. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 16
      +2
      Respect and respect to your FSB. hi And they asked whether this main property premium for abroad or on the south coast, in the Crimea, has a couple of three hectares of land?
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  23. pinhead
    pinhead 7 December 2015 15: 52
    +7
    from next year, the time standard for patient admissions is cut back again, the money allocated for the purchase of equipment was taken away (2015 million), the budget deficit in our clinic for this year is about 19 million, and no one says the word quality even in the Ministry of Health. the main thing is positive reporting and the absence of complaints.
  24. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 December 2015 16: 03
    +2
    And you ask yourself, in whose interests is foreign policy pursued? Who will use its results?
    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    I alone in my head do not fit the foreign policy of Russia with the domestic ?! I like how Russia is behaving now in foreign policy, but in domestic, it’s just a uniform mess and the end of the land is not visible to him!
  25. Loner_53
    Loner_53 7 December 2015 16: 04
    +9
    And the rest of the time, raise money for your own funeral. They, too, will cost a lot of money to relatives.

    So I’m collecting, I figured it out, I don’t think it’s enough, I continue to collect further, and the prices for the funeral continue to rise. recourse
  26. Mantykora
    Mantykora 7 December 2015 16: 05
    10
    The problem is not even that medicine is declared free, but treated for money. The problem - even for the money they treat it badly in most cases. Find a normal doctor. And if you paid and you were poorly cured, you can prove that the doctor is an uneducated huckster. Especially if you're already dead.

    It turns out that in order to survive today, a person needs to understand medicine at least a little.

    Hippocratic Oath today:
    "Ill? - pay - die."
  27. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth 7 December 2015 16: 19
    11
    What did the president say?
    "In recent years we managed to do a lot for healthcare development. Life expectancy has grown. Mortality from cardiovascular and a number of other diseases is reduced.
    The challenge is to the insurance principle worked to increase human responsibility for your health financial incentives appeared to a healthy lifestyle ....
    I propose to organize in Russia a wide movement of volunteers, willing to work in the health care system, to provide all possible assistance.
    "
    There is no need to whine. We must "support the course of the party and government"! Both President Putin personally and United Russia!
    Today, the State Duma introduced a bill banning the sale of tobacco under 21 years old. I don’t understand why not up to 70. Take care!
    If without jerking. Until there is no control of the people over power, it will live worse and worse. And in order not to rebel, EP will take care. The freshest. In connection with the protests of truckers, a new law was adopted to tighten the requirements for protests. Think, at least when you choose the State Duma.
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 7 December 2015 17: 07
      +4
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      Think, at least when you choose the State Duma.

      A good thought, colleague, the only bad thing is that we are dismissive of voting, considering that everything has already been decided in advance. And you just need to think about the fact that the more people come to the polls and cast their votes for those who are considered worthy, the less power there is for fraud. Doubt your colleagues? Then think about why the turnout threshold is canceled. hi
      1. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 7 December 2015 17: 36
        +5
        Quote: Vladimir 1964
        Then think about why the turnout threshold is canceled. hi

        "Against all" - also not.
        I always vote. My children consider it a civic duty to participate in elections. How many people think so? Chubais, I remember, said in the early 90s that "professionals" should be involved in politics. Looks like he convinced many. Well, the "professionals" have raised healthcare, education, social services to an unattainable level ...
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 21
      +1
      What did the president say?
      "In recent years, we have managed to do a lot for the development of healthcare
      [

      For work, you have to go on business trips to the districts. I don’t know how in other places, but in Tataria a lot has been done for the development of regional hospitals (repairs, equipment, supplies). Especially if the head doctor is also a deputy.
      Of course, there is something that is rightly condemned here.
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    4. bastard
      bastard 7 December 2015 23: 28
      +1
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      If without jerking. Until there is no control of the people over power, it will live worse and worse. And in order not to rebel, EP will take care. The freshest. In connection with the protests of truckers, a new law was adopted to tighten the requirements for protests.

      Yuri Mukhin for an attempt to collect signatures for the referendum "For Responsible Power" has already been placed under arrest on July 29 in Crimea, in the territory controlled by our Nyasha. And not only him. Sewing extremism. The idea of ​​controlling the actions of the authorities becomes criminalized.
      The main idea of ​​the publicist Mukhin: you have chosen - you are to judge. He is a supporter of the referendum on the responsibility of the authorities: ministers, deputies, etc. He suggested evaluating the activities of managers at all levels after the expiration of their term of office.
      http://kprf-kchr.ru/?q=node/7455
  28. attuda
    attuda 7 December 2015 16: 19
    -2
    All answers to all questions in the same article ...
    When the "comers who got to the clinics" think of and learn to supply or make cards
    for previously purchased devices, thereby satisfying the demand
    "willing to pay 1000 patients" ...
    Then the ministers have a headache
    Will start to stop ...

    And vapsche, apchi ...

    Good to be ill!
    Throw bad habits!
    and forth healthy nations
    to a brighter future!

    Announcement for the sake of:
    Purely not where they sweep, but where they do not litter ....
    =
    Health is not where they are being treated, but where they are not ill ...
    1. attuda
      attuda 9 December 2015 00: 13
      0
      Acho minus that silently ...
      Stoli used to get sick ...?
      Although your right to remain silent ...

      It’s useful to read the publication post here:
      http://modernlib.ru/books/mihail_veller/zhivi_budem__ne_pomrem/read/
      There, too, a man was clearly actively dying if not for ...
      (So ​​we are slowly dying, unconscious of this ...)


      If the failure follows the link ... then, search in browsers:

      Michael Weller Let's not die alive

      Total...
      52 pages ... 11 minutes worth it ...
  29. 31rus
    31rus 7 December 2015 16: 47
    +3
    Dear, how can you not understand, everything is based on business, everything else is a side effect, everywhere and in everything, in medicine, education, science, just life, this is why we have queues for operations, this is why satellites are falling, this is why one elite oil and gas, another military-industrial complex is being replaced, about foreign policy, and you analyze about who "did not throw us," Merkel with Ukraine, Oland with Mistrals, Erdogan has become so insolent, it is better not to stutter about Ukraine
  30. cap
    cap 7 December 2015 16: 53
    +5
    Article 41 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
    1. Everyone has the right to health and medical care. Medical assistance in state and municipal healthcare institutions It is provided to citizens free of charge from the corresponding budget, insurance contributions, and other income. 2. In the Russian Federation, federal programs for the protection and strengthening of public health are financed, measures are taken to develop state, municipal, and private health systems, activities that promote human health, the development of physical culture and sports, and environmental and sanitary-epidemiological well-being are encouraged. 3. Concealment by officials of facts and circumstances that create a threat to the life and health of people entails liability in accordance with federal law.
    Commentary on Article 41 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation
    1. Health is one of the highest benefits of a person, without which many other benefits, the ability to use other rights (choice of profession, freedom of movement, etc.) can lose value. In the Charter of the World Health Organization, health is defined as a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being, and not just as the absence of diseases and physical defects. The right to health and medical care is referred to in art. 12 International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights 1966

    Source: http://constrf.ru/razdel-1/glava-2/st-41-krf
    What else to add all is prescribed only to execute!
    This raises the question of what will happen to the glass vessel in the hands of an awkward person.
    That's right, and I also think so. He will break it hi .
    1. beer-youk
      beer-youk 7 December 2015 17: 15
      +3
      Art. 41 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation is hopelessly outdated.
  31. Jackking
    Jackking 7 December 2015 17: 03
    +8
    How long can you expect that the ubi ... ki from the government will turn to face ordinary people (although their face is more like a saddle) ??? why do we need such power when it is necessary to raise money for the treatment of children with the whole world - and why are taxes collected? to the hotel the son of the prosecutor?
  32. Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 7 December 2015 17: 09
    +8
    Affordable quality medicine in the country ended with the collapse of the USSR. Because not having created a worthy new, they killed a solid, reliable, former (however, this can be said about education and much more)!

    Quote: Diana Ilyina
    I alone in my head do not fit the foreign policy of Russia with the domestic ?!
    there is a strong impression that domestic policy is generally not a priority for the state and is simply left at the mercy of a handful of liberals who squeeze the last juices out of the population with all sorts of extortions. Moreover, the milking turnover of the country is gaining an unprecedented scale (as if on the day of judgment), this is the reduction of medical workers and the medical institutions themselves, the growing tariffs of housing and communal services with constantly appearing new lines, extortions in kindergartens and schools, but especially severely shaking recently automobile transport , raising uncontrollably taxes, fines, fuel prices, coming up with more and more extortions like the notorious "Plato". And this is all happening against the background of the economic crisis in the country, when the real incomes of Russian citizens are falling!
  33. cap
    cap 7 December 2015 17: 17
    +2
    1. The purpose and objectives of insurance

    Protection is the purpose of insurance.
    Main goal insurance activities can be defined as meeting the public need for reliable insurance protection against accidental dangers that meets generally accepted requirements for financial reliability.
    An equally important goal of insurance from a macroeconomic perspective is the accumulation of money paid by many policyholders, and investing them in the economy.
    The investment efficiency of insurance activities is much higher than banking, since insurance provides long-term investments.
    Here about health a little but enough. It touches the last point, but it’s a little about the costs of medical activities that pay off with the life expectancy of the population. Investments will pay off in 70-80 years. Putting into health is inefficient. Nothing personal just passed by hi
    I almost missed it:
    According to the Federal Law "On the organization of insurance business in the Russian Federation", the purpose of the organization of insurance business is to protect the property interests of individuals and legal entities, the Russian Federation, constituent entities of the Russian Federation and municipalities in the event of insurance cases.

    The objectives of the organization of insurance are:

    1) pursuing a unified state policy in the field of insurance;

    2) the establishment of insurance principles and the formation of insurance mechanisms to ensure economic security of citizens and business entities in the territory of the Russian Federation.
    There is very little about the priority of the health of citizens. You can think of insurance medicine yourself. hi
  34. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 7 December 2015 17: 35
    13
    Brothers! Be healthy, do not be ill! As a doctor, I am terribly afraid of doctors! You don’t even know what they can do with us, but I know that I’m worse than you smile

    PS: It's amazing how little harm the doctors do, given their capabilities. Mark Twain.
  35. Koshak
    Koshak 7 December 2015 17: 40
    +3
    And do sick people in overfuffed medical centers give out? Elementary - for SARS, for child care?
    Do you have operations? Not planned, but urgent - appendicitis, for example, or an ectopic pregnancy?
    It's basically window dressing and raking in money ... negative
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 7 December 2015 17: 49
      +8
      Appendectomy or ectopic - this "serota" does, state employees. These bars are all conservatively treated. Somehow I wanted to get a job in such a company after finishing my residency in surgery - they sent me and said that they didn’t need the patient to recover, but that they needed to constantly visit them.
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 7 December 2015 20: 37
        0
        Here I am about the same! Infectious, tuberculosis dispensaries are also state employees, with financing on a residual basis. And if you think about it, in modern
        situations - how without them? not funny... negative
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 26
        +4
        I was invited to paid centers three times, but here the soviet education caused a congenital dissonance. The main motive: choose patients who can be treated with us (finances allow). Why do not you appoint additional consultations and analyzes? Why do not you sell our product (voluntary limited service insurance). In short, I did not find myself there. Although at a paid appointment 30 minutes is not 10-15 minutes in free medicine.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 7 December 2015 23: 56
          +4
          Quote: Balu
          I was invited to paid centers three times, but here the soviet education caused a congenital dissonance.

          Quote: Balu
          In short, I did not find myself there.

          I take off my hat to you. hi
      3. bastard
        bastard 7 December 2015 23: 45
        +2
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        they sent me, they said that they don’t need the patient to recover, but they need to constantly go to them.

        The lawyer son comes to the lawyer father:
        - Dad! I finally won the thing that you could not master all your life!
        - Here you go! I've been feeding him all my life!

        And yet, on the lawyer topic:

        In the law office on the wall hangs a picture symbolizing the hard work of a lawyer:
        the picture depicts a cow pulled by two men by the horns and tail, and in the middle there is a lawyer with a podium.
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  36. cap
    cap 7 December 2015 17: 58
    +3
    I’m going on the Internet and then bam ... I’m reading.
    (Medical News) Auditors of the Accounts Chamber analyzed large insurance organizations and found that the hospitals were groundlessly fined. This was announced on December 4 by the website of the Accounts Chamber of the Russian Federation. Specialists of the Accounts Chamber found that insurance companies should limit the funding that is set to conduct business. Now they receive up to 2% of all funds received from the territorial compulsory health insurance funds, and should receive up to 1%. One of the insurance companies received 168 billion rubles in net profit over the year, the Accounting Chamber noted.

    Source: http://komtv.org/42141-samoobogashheniem/
    Clowns just don’t get bored. am
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 28
      +2
      And so it is. I confirm that most fines are not for the quality of care, but for maintaining primary medical documentation.
  37. pinhead
    pinhead 7 December 2015 18: 10
    10
    ub..ki from the government and their relatives are being treated abroad or in the best clinics of the Russian Federation (there are such), the former 4 department of the Ministry of Health treating the leadership of the USSR simply removed the sign. and the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation is ruled by economists whose task is to use financing and put the figures ordered by them on the GDP table (real or false, it doesn’t matter). We gathered all the chief doctors and said: who doesn’t fulfill the 100% follow-up plan, write the statement yourself, and with they are talked like with spirits in the armed forces, they just don’t knock on plywood, then they come angry like dogs and turn us inside with fur. would you visit our meetings ... I have a feeling that I’m in a war and I’m at war with my own people ... no one knows when this will end ... maybe after 2018 ... or maybe after 2024 ...
  38. avva2012
    avva2012 7 December 2015 18: 12
    -2
    Yes, everything is very interesting. "The author of the article is not a medical worker .." Naturally, he is about medicine, he simply must know everything, like most citizens. I will collect the maximum number of "likes", but, as an ordinary physician, I want to make some amendments to the attitude to medicine as such. First, everything is learned by comparison. Reading the comments, you repeatedly come across nostalgia for the USSR. Overall, I agree. This is the time of my childhood, youth. It is beautiful! In the USSR, who does not remember, was blat... For people born after 1980, I can explain: "You are for me, I am for you." Let's say you want to see a good doctor in the 80s. For this, forgive me, for the banality, you must have something useful, or even more banal, money. About the last component, we can say that it is more typical for large cities, i.e., Moscow, Leningrad, the capitals of the Union Republics (in Turkestan, who lived, nothing at all was done without money). But, and in the "outback", approximately, everything was the same. Deputy director. shop, etc. comrades, had the opportunity to be treated by certain specialists. Remember Raikin, "the manager, the shoe department, as a simple engineer." This is on the one hand. A system for sending young specialists to the countryside for three years after graduation? Whoever could, he was smeared with this obligation. The village, therefore, had excellent honey. service? Further, in the Union, there was a bias in those wishing to become, let's say, gynecologists (there is always money and warm hands), cardiological surgeons (thanks to Chazov), venereologists, psychiatrists (not an anti-Semite, but doctors, solid Jews). Try to get to the appropriate department. A therapist (pediatrician), no, sorry, for 120 rubles, look for a fool. You can continue for a long time. For the uninitiated, this is probably the "other side of the moon", whoever caught it all remembers. Now, about the West. Watch the Jack Nicholson movie, It Couldn't Be Better. Namely, those moments with the participation of the waitress and her sick son. Listen to what she says! What we have is freeprovided emergency assistance, even in the 90s, in the USA, it turns out, they began to do it recently. For that Obama is called a communist. They, young doctors, "hone" their skills on Latinos and blacks in small towns or in ethnic areas. If you have not gained experience, then you will work there all your life (see "It Can't Be Better"). Well, and the last thing, about the very recent past. 90s and 2000s. Will remember who, at least once, went to the hospital during these years? Can you compare with what is now? Yes, I agree that there are many problems in medicine. And, first of all, this is the legacy of those very years. It is not clear who will treat, so in 15 years. But, in order for healthcare to work, the way we all want it, we need to do something now, before it's too late. Do you know why I despise the white ribbon? Well, the fact that they are poor in spirit (and generally ill) is understandable. If they cared about citizens the way they position themselves, they would start with medicine. Not from criticism, but from the requirements to the government, "develop such medical service to be better than before." Does anyone remember, Navalny, posed such questions? I really wanted people visiting VO, and not indifferent, to think, "maybe we can do something, and not just criticize?" That's all. You can say a lot, but this is already an article (it's good that it's not criminal). Hope for comments. Cons are welcome.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 7 December 2015 19: 06
      +2
      Yes, I agree that there are many problems in medicine. And, first of all, this is the legacy of those very years ,,
      I would like to ask, when will this legacy disappear? in 10,100 years? It’s good that the USSR was there, everything can be blamed on it. And explain what we can do if we can only criticize and we can. I somehow addressed the issue of subsidies. I wrote stubbornly and for a long time. At the same time, the question returned to the one whom it complained about. While in the State Duma, did not write, and the question was thrown back. So the criticism still applies.
  39. 31R-US
    31R-US 7 December 2015 18: 25
    +5
    Interesting people, doctors (in no case about everyone) know that a person is not a tenant, but all the same babosos suck to the last, maybe of course I am mistaken, but with my relatives it turned out that way.
  40. Million
    Million 7 December 2015 18: 28
    +4
    Here is the president’s message in which he says that everything is fine with medicine ....
  41. bsk_mna54
    bsk_mna54 7 December 2015 18: 44
    +1
    They say the truth: madhouse and in Africa madhouse
  42. pinhead
    pinhead 7 December 2015 18: 46
    +1
    because they put the necessary numbers on the table ... and there is a good documentary about different models of healthcare. Michael Moore's film "health care" (SICKO)
  43. Uhalus
    Uhalus 7 December 2015 19: 11
    +2
    All is true. And if you add paid services in hospitals, plus direct money extortion, and theft of officials themselves ... But people are reassured - everything is fine, a wonderful marquise ... And it’s especially offensive that the doctor himself was reduced to the status of a waiter.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 34
      +2
      I sometimes have to take a paid appointment at my hospital. So, from 550 rubles for a consultation, the doctor will receive 150 rubles for a salary, the rest goes to the development of the hospital, the purchase of consumables, drugs, etc.
      Why paid? And because in my specialty, a free reception (not emergency, advisory assistance) is 2-3 months in turn. Elementary is not enough doctors. These are the standards.
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  44. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 7 December 2015 19: 56
    +1
    Both paid and insurance medicine must be eliminated. Too many parasites that feed on this have divorced. But this can be done later, when the state rises. There is no money, so everything will worsen. Until its own production in serious volumes is restored and companies are removed, parasites will not change anything. To think that everything will change the market is already like schizophrenia.
    Paid doctors generally fear, they can treat non-existent diseases and cut healthy organs.
    Medicine should be switched to the sore prevention mode. Inform people for a healthy lifestyle and reward them. And vice versa, to tear up fines for unhealthy people. Raise the prices for cigarettes and alcohol higher, and send counterfeit wood for growing counterfeit goods or grow cucumbers in the Arctic.
    Have patience, wait 10 years, while we roll on the West. Everything is known in comparison: they have devastation and hunger, and we have plus or minus nothing. We will continue to correct and build. This is my opinion.
  45. RONIN-HS
    RONIN-HS 7 December 2015 20: 01
    +3
    I did not want to get involved in this srach * on the site, but it was necessary. recourse
    I am in the subject, accompanying a relative in the "torment". At the beginning of September, he was diagnosed with oncology, the right lung. We take tests for 3 months. Already 6 trips to Rostov n / D, one to Salsk. We handed over SKT to Vavilov - 3200 rubles. Each trip - 2000 rubles by taxi (for 150 km). This is an acquaintance, the tax is 3500 rubles. It remains to pass the last blood tests and - consultation. Already 3 months have passed, the disease is progressing, the strength to travel by minibus is already guaranteed, it will not reach. The result is that there is no diagnosis yet, they have already rolled it and spent about 20 thousand rubles. And while for the treatment grabber haven't paid yet. Until they have prescribed a single pill, he is drinking "Tsiprolet" on his own, it seems easier for him. (((
    Have seen enough of these months - there are no such printed words to express your love for this fucking ** th medicine.

    Here the "zaputins" are trying to justify the authorities. Don't try. There is no excuse. One "pleases" - the end of this * la *** y is already visible. Life will ask everyone for treatment, for golden gas in the boiler room, and for high prices for GMO products on the market. Get ready.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 7 December 2015 20: 37
      +4
      The feeling of rage at the inability to help a loved one is familiar. Hold on and gather your will into a fist - your relative will need your shoulder. Doctors have a term "quality of life", so this is how life will depend on you.
    2. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 40
      +3
      Sorry. You are all right in one thing: they stopped bringing up doctors by doctors. This generation of Pepsi grew to the accompaniment of how bad this country is and how good it is abroad. So they grew up not respecting their country, not realizing a duty to their ancestors, but with big requests.
      Regarding your case, it’s strange that they dragged it on like that. I wish to get better.
  46. Nehist
    Nehist 7 December 2015 20: 01
    +2
    Fun with medetsina! Last year, a urine test for opiates of 800 rubles cost 4200 rubles in this ... No one could answer the question why the price in narcology increased so much. Long live our free and best sarcasm medecine
  47. Maksus
    Maksus 7 December 2015 20: 15
    +1
    In fact, our medicine is really free, only a little, or a very long time. But if for the money - then everything is possible. For example, the turn for the rehabilitation of patients after stroke (stroke) is 2 of the year, and if paid, at least next week. After all, who is the best friend of the head physician? That's right, this is a SPONSOR! The one who will give money for repairs, for the purchase of equipment and so on. And in terms of equipment, city hospitals in St. Petersburg have long overtaken all private clinics, EVERYTHING! We have a CT scan (2), an MRI scan (2), and a PET in our hospital. There is a DaVinci robot and other supermedicine. We even operate oncology (this is not much different from conventional surgery), but then everything is on its own. Look for it yourself where to chemize, where to be exposed, all by yourself .... In general, we have free medicine, but not long and long.
  48. Skynet
    Skynet 7 December 2015 20: 34
    +2
    Well, they yell that there is no money in the budget, and they don’t know what to do ...
    Although the solution is on the surface! The best manager is the state!
    Nationalization of the mining and processing industry! The State Bank is becoming a state! Revenues can’t afford, but to the state! And that’s all! And now they are waiting for taxes on income derived over a hill. Who would pay them?
  49. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 7 December 2015 20: 35
    +5
    I want to stand up for modern medicine without denying many problems. He himself is not a doctor, although many relatives were engaged in healing. Many went through the entire Great Patriotic War. And I know about medicine from the work of my son, who nevertheless continued the family tradition and went to heal at the call of his ancestors. So I affirm that in the vast majority of doctors are honest and decent people. Making decent money is difficult or not even possible for a non-ordinary doctor. My works as the head of the intensive care unit for one and a half bids (no longer possible) and also arranges acquaintances for the vacant position, for which he works. Only in this situation it turns out not bad, although not a lot. At the same time, he dunes and sleeps in his department and grabs the weekend. According to his stories, I came to the conclusion that the system of healthcare organization in the country is to blame, which they cannot and don’t know how to fix.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 7 December 2015 22: 47
      +3
      Everything is recognizable. Give friendly advice: After a day, spit at work, let it go to rest. According to the labor code, with a daily schedule, two days of rest are laid. The family needs it most alive and healthy. By the age of 50, you begin to feel tired of everything.
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  50. pinhead
    pinhead 7 December 2015 20: 55
    +2
    and what is free medicine? Do they supply equipment, medicines, supplies to medical institutions for free? Can you even imagine how much it costs? our state is UNABLE to finance a high level of affordable healthcare whatever it is written in the constitution. and good specialists in any field are piece goods. but about the Rostov region, it’s for sure, he came from there, it’s not only medicine that is corrupt, but EVERYTHING !!! and we consider the organization of medical care in the Russian Federation as idiotic, but we are obliged to work in a budget institution to fulfill the requirements of orders, as a military officer is obliged to fulfill even the most stupid order. and most of us didn’t come to medicine for money, for this there are a lot of more profitable activities ...