Defense Ministry: preserving the Balkhash hub will strengthen Russia's defense capability and allow it to develop a unified air defense-missile defense system

The agreement with Kazakhstan on the transfer and the procedure for the further use of the Balkhash radio-technical hub will strengthen the defense capability of the Russian Federation and will allow it to continue the formation of a unified regional air defense-missile defense system, reports TASS a message from the head of the international cooperation department of the Russian Defense Ministry Sergey Koshelev.

“Entry into force of the agreement will allow to keep the Balkhash hub in the missile attack warning system and the space monitoring system. It will serve to strengthen the defense capability of Russia and the further formation of a unified regional air defense system with Kazakhstan, will give new impetus to the development of Russian-Kazakhstan relations in the military field, ”Koshelev said.

Vladimir Putin 28 November signed a law ratifying this agreement.

It is reported that, in accordance with the document, "the operation of the radio-technical hub located in the Karaganda region of Kazakhstan, which is an important element of the Russian missile attack warning system (SPRN), ensuring the safety of not only the Russian Federation, but also its CSTO allies, will continue."

According to the Ministry of Defense, the “Dnepr” early warning radar station, which is part of the node, is designed to conduct continuous reconnaissance of outer space, as well as automatic detection of ballistic missile launches in the southeast strategic aerospace direction. Data on the parameters of the motion of rockets and space objects are given to the command post of the EWS ”.

The agreement, in particular, provides for “providing information on the rocket and space situation in the region to the points of the state and military administration of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the organization of joint combat duty”.

Comments

[avvg]

We will always have time to give up the Balkhash node.

[venaya]

I note that the Kazakhs, this single regional air defense system, only for the benefit, it will not be profitable for them to refuse.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: venaya

I note that the Kazakhs, this single regional air defense system, only for the benefit, it will not be profitable for them to refuse.

Well, yes, the Kazakhs themselves could use it .. Russians are leasing! Well, as always, a rental country ..!

[Baikonur]

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, as always, rental country ..!

Even with this (!) The majority of oil and gas production in Kazakhstan belongs to the USA! Italy (USA), ...!

[Talgat]

Quote: Baikonur

the majority of oil and gas production in Kazakhstan belongs to the USA! Italy (

Unfortunately, this is so

In the 90s, after the collapse of the USSR (by the way, the population of KZ voted against - and our President Nazarbayev was "presented with a fact" - 3 traitors did not invite him to Belovezhskaya Pushcha - they knew that he was against) Kazakhstan found itself in a difficult situation. There were no funds for the development of the field and for obtaining income from production (under the USSR, of course, everything would have been)

I had to invite investors + and technologies - for example, the same Kashagan, even the USSR could not master - there were no unique technologies in the Union - anyway, it was necessary to invite "bourgeois"

Nevertheless, Kazakhstan "squeezed" the bourgeoisie much earlier than Russia. Putin only returned oil in 2004 and, having paid off debts, went to the "plus" creating the Stabilization Fund (the story of Yukos and Khodorkovsky)

And ours managed to crank everything back in 2000 and created a stabilization fund with this money (although the story is also muddy - Kazhegeldin, etc. - but nonetheless - 4 a year earlier than Russia)

Later, the "wringing out" continued - there were a lot of information about this - there were also lawsuits and what not - so that foreigners stopped robbing KZ and the income was shared fairly

In principle, the level of income sharing is now approximately the same as that of the Russian Federation - and, accordingly, the standard of living in the KZ is approximately the same as in the Russian Federation

[kuz363]

Fair remark, Talgat! But Kazakhstan and the volume of oil and gas production were much less than Russia. Accordingly, foreigners. Maybe that's why it happened so faster?

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: MIKHAN

Russia for rent!

free of charge

[gjv]

Quote: MIKHAN

Russia for rent!

The lease of the facilities of the 4th state central interspecific test site (test sites "Sary-Shagan", "Emba", etc.) and three test sites of the 929th state flight test center in Kazakhstan since 2005 in total cost Russia $ 27,5 million in year.
The spaceport rental agreement was signed by Russia and Kazakhstan on December 10, 1994 for a period of 20 years. In 2004, the lease term was extended to 2050.
On December 10, 2012, the head of the Kazkosmos national agency, Talgat Musabayev, said that Kazakhstan and Russia are studying the issue of developing a new agreement on the use of the Baikonur complex, providing for a phased departure from lease relations. The annual lease payment in Russia is $ 115 million.
A separate radio-technical unit of the 3rd separate army of the rocket and space defense of the Space Forces of the Russian Armed Forces (object "Balkhash-9Located in Priozersk on Lake Balkhash. The node is part of a unified missile attack warning system, and also records the technical parameters of combat missile systems tested at the Sary-Shagan test site.
It currently includes one Dnestr radar and two Dnepr radars and is responsible for tracking ballistic missiles and space objects in Asia. A radar station of the "Daryal" type was plundered. Belongs to Kazakhstan, provided to Russia for use. The payment for the Balkhash-9 radio engineering center has not been disclosed. It can be assumed that the fee is about $ 7 million, by analogy with the rent of a radar in Gabala (Azerbaijan made $ 300 million for a new lease, now the lease is suspended).

[Kasym]

The Balkhash node will be transferred "on a free basis".
At the moment, all the facilities on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation cost $ 150 million. If you look at the land area of ​​these facilities, it will be the size of an average European country (more than Belgium, for example).
At the same time, Kazakhstan wants to move away from such relations with the opportunity to take part in the activities of these facilities.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Kasym

At the moment, all the facilities on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation cost $ 150 million. If you look at the land area of ​​these facilities, it will be the size of an average European country (more than Belgium, for example).

Everything is abandoned there .... roads are broken, villages are abandoned ... One locust breeds! And the cops in the reeds are caught, lonely fishermen!

[Kasym]

I don’t know what roads you speak for.
But here we had the Day of the First President on December 1. And there was the commissioning of 3 gas pipeline branches to China - 600 settlements of Kazakhstan were gasified along the way. Kyzyl-Orda, Chimkent, Dzhambul and Alma-Ata with their regions.
On the roads. According to the plan, next. The China-Europe autobahn project (over 3 thousand km across Kazakhstan) is coming to an end, although the jambs have come out and the delivery will be postponed for 17 years. And the "Nurly Zhol" project begins - roads in all directions from Astana. They will finish near Alma-Ata in 17 - roads in all directions.
By the way, prosecutors ask 12 years for our former prime minister, defense minister. Something like this is not visible to you - to remind Serdyukov !?

[Talgat]

I will confirm that everything Kasym says is absolutely true!

KZ infrastructure is unambiguously developing! Only the railway with Iran built and commissioned at the end of last year is worth

And Mikhan especially do not listen when it comes to KZ - he has some kind of Kazakh-phobia

But on other issues (oddly enough) he often has quite robust comments

[gjv]

Quote: Talgat

I will confirm that everything Kasym says is absolutely true!

Yes, information about bad roads is gleaned from articles 2004-2008. No more than 5 years have passed, and the situation is changing for the better.

Quote: aksakal

there are no roads to this industrial center, to which there are more sophisticated factories than in all of Kazakhstan, there are prominent directions. Yes, in our wilderness the roads are better, about roads in Astana

Astana is a modern metropolis, although there are less than a million inhabitants, especially in comparison with our "general store", where, although there are more than a million, but already in the second block from the center are old wrecks of the private sector ...
P.S. Well, the wind happens in Astana in late autumn! In undeveloped areas, I had to go to the wind at an angle of 35-40 degrees to move forward at least somehow!

[ty60]

Probably from Kazakhstan

[Quager]

I traveled around the Zhitikara district, the roads that were killed mostly, the villages as after the bombing, not everything is done everywhere, just like ours, I hope someday they will get to such places!

[kuz363]

Serdyukov is a sacred cow. It must not be touched. Like Vasiliev.

[aksakal]

Quote: MIKHAN

Everything is abandoned there .... roads are broken, villages are abandoned ... One locust breeds! And the cops in the reeds are caught, lonely fishermen!

- Meehan, worry about Russian roads. I was in Yekaterinburg recently (for some reason the locals call their city dissonant - "Yoburg!". They love their city, they respect), so in this industrial center, to which there are more sophisticated factories than in all of Kazakhstan, there are no roads, there are prominent directions. Yes, we have better roads in the wilderness, I generally keep quiet about the roads in Astana and Almaty, no one makes hodovki for a long time, who only rides in the city. You have not been to Kazakhstan, you are trying to prove something to us, Kazakhstani people, using stereotypes alone! And your stereotype is simple - "Asians are cross-eyed, how can they have something not started?" Meehan, look after your sturgeons, in Yoburg you will have sturgeons on the road, this is in a fancy city. Are the city authorities ashamed? Instead of the Yeltsin Center, it would be better to actually make roads.

[tolian]

We drove from St. Petersburg to Yekaterinburg. Good roads. In any case, support, repair, build new ones.

[arane]

Quote: aksakal

Quote: MIKHAN

Everything is abandoned there .... roads are broken, villages are abandoned ... One locust breeds! And the cops in the reeds are caught, lonely fishermen!

- Meehan, worry about Russian roads. I was in Yekaterinburg recently (for some reason the locals call their city dissonant - "Yoburg!". They love their city, they respect), so in this industrial center, to which there are more sophisticated factories than in all of Kazakhstan, there are no roads, there are prominent directions. Yes, we have better roads in the wilderness, I generally keep quiet about the roads in Astana and Almaty, no one makes hodovki for a long time, who only rides in the city. You have not been to Kazakhstan, you are trying to prove something to us, Kazakhstani people, using stereotypes alone! And your stereotype is simple - "Asians are cross-eyed, how can they have something not started?" Meehan, look after your sturgeons, in Yoburg you will have sturgeons on the road, this is in a fancy city. Are the city authorities ashamed? Instead of the Yeltsin Center, it would be better to actually make roads.

Dear, you are almost right. I just disagree with one moment, about the cross-eyed Asians! If this is only addressed to mihan, then these are his problems and phobias!
I don’t know, I have a very normal attitude towards the Kazakhs and my friends are Kazakhs living in Kazakhstan. Studied together, served together .....

[aksakal]

Quote: arane

If this is only addressed to mihan, then these are his problems and phobias!

only and exclusively to him, to no one else. It's just that when there are accusations that "they have everything running there!" at a time when this is not so, then you think, why and why this is said? And the most common explanation for this is an ordinary stereotype, the most ordinary one. So you yourself are facing this, only not from our side, but from the side of Western "partners". Well, you yourself, these stereotypes, you know - balalaika, vodka, bears on a chain, a cap with earflaps ... I accused Mehan of stereotyped thinking, perhaps I didn't pick up expressions, for which I ASK FOR FORGIVENESS both from Meehan and from members of the forum forced to read this.

[ty60]

Yes, everything is fine, I also have not been to Uralsk for a long time. However, I don’t harass the whole country. Each akim is good in his own way and in his own way.

[arane]

Quote: aksakal

Quote: arane

If this is only addressed to mihan, then these are his problems and phobias!

only and exclusively to him, to no one else. It's just that when there are accusations that "they have everything running there!" at a time when this is not so, then you think, why and why this is said? And the most common explanation for this is an ordinary stereotype, the most ordinary one. So you yourself are facing this, only not from our side, but from the side of Western "partners". Well, you yourself, these stereotypes, you know - balalaika, vodka, bears on a chain, a cap with earflaps ... I accused Mehan of stereotyped thinking, perhaps I didn't pick up expressions, for which I ASK FOR FORGIVENESS both from Meehan and from members of the forum forced to read this.

There’s nothing to add

[Ural resident]

Those who were not born and did not grow up here are called Eburg - mainly those who moved from the region

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: MIKHAN

Everything is abandoned there .... roads are broken, villages are abandoned ...

Mikhan, honestly, looking the truth in the eye, but is everything all right in Russia?

[kamil_tt]

but there is much where in the world this is not right, and the former republics of the USSR are certainly no exception. Our countries are lucky that there are natural resources. But we often spend them incorrectly, on Potemkin villages and the arms race, militant commentators forgive me;)

[aksakal]

Quote: kamil_tt

to the Potemkin villages and the arms race, militant commentators forgive me;)

- that's just about the arms race I disagree with you. We in Kazakhstan do not have our own weapons development - as a result, there is no serious science and serious technologies. Yes, there are only 16 million people in Kazakhstan, and in Israel there are also 8 million people. And in Kazakhstan, just like in Israel, there is almost universal literacy of the population. But Israel has already achieved leadership in the field of drones, small arms, intellectual stuffing of missiles and shells, and much more (besides tanks, I do not consider the Merkav to be anything outstanding, a good tank only for its region, nothing more).
In Russia now it is the military-industrial complex enterprises that are saving Russia from the most severe manifestations of the crisis. What is Nizhny Tagil based on? Almost all of Komsomolsk on the Amur, which enterprise is kept? Another small town where Alligator helicopters are made, Izhevsk in the end ... Unemployment is not a bad thing. A valuable scientific and engineering corps is forged precisely in the design bureaus of military-industrial complex enterprises, new technologies are also born in these design bureaus, and new inventions, which, due to the scale and scientific capital intensity, are very difficult to implement in the civil sphere, get a start in life in the defense industry.
For example, after the bankruptcy of the YAK, TU and the departure of the Academy of Sciences to Ukraine, Russia had no chance to revive the civil aircraft industry if it were not for the Sukhoi and Irkut military plants. The competence of the aircraft industry was already lost, there were no longer any factory facilities with trained and professional personnel. But all this was preserved by Poghosyan and in "Irkut". Yes, the Russian content in the "Superjet" leaves much to be desired, and the Irkutsk MS-21 has not yet flown, but the chances of a revival of civil aircraft construction thanks to the defense industry in Russia remain. So you are wrong about the "arms race"

[kamil_tt]

Well, the whole country cannot stay on the defense industry) And on the account of the arms race, I certainly meant the Russian Federation, which went along the path of the USSR, i.e. all its huge technological potential and resources are directed exclusively to the military-industrial complex. Well, a country that is well-made only with weapons cannot flourish, although many claim that the main thing is to be afraid, we take the rest ourselves. Just imagine for a second that at least 30% of the funds allocated for the defense industry, ingenious scientists, benefits, etc. are allowed to be put into the real sector of the economy, if possible, toughly, up to the highest measure, guarded against corruption !?
I know about Kazakhstan’s defense industry not by hearsay, since I myself worked in this industry, and everything is sad there, it, in comparison with the neighbor, does not exist as such. So we got only Potemkin villages).
I understand that my pacifist point of view on this resource is not popular and is considered a sign of liberal weakness, but for some people as enemy machinations), but it's time to think not about imaginary greatness, but about the real state of affairs, and about the well-being of real people. It pains me to watch how our countries spend, the wealth given to them by nature ..

[aksakal]

Quote: kamil_tt

Well, the whole country cannot stay on the defense industry)

- and shouldn't. But critical technologies get a chance at life thanks to the military. The Internet? Remember its history of creation ... Yes, who created the first computer "Eniak" and for what purpose? I think you have enough examples ...

Quote: kamil_tt

Just imagine for a second that at least 30% of the funds allocated to the defense industry, ingenious scientists, benefits, etc., are allowed to go into the real sector of the economy

- these funds are down the drain, NOTHING WILL CHANGE. Why? Because the civil sector, before the introduction of a new technology / new invention, gives a financial expert for analysis, and he begins a "long payback period", "large initial resource costs" and other burdens, as a result - "in general, I absolutely DO NOT ADVISE." In Oboronka, there are two such experts - the same financier and a specialized weapons expert, they get an opinion from both of them, well, you have already seen it from the financier, it is stated above, from the fact that the financier makes an assessment for the defense industry, his opinion does not change. But if a specialized weapons expert makes a POSITIVE verdict that "yes, the introduction of a new technology / new invention will give a new type of weapon and, as a result, will strengthen the country's defense and, accordingly, its security," then guess from three times where the military who ordered the expert opinion these two experts, will send the financier with his opinion Theoretically, the second expert (who is specialized) should also be in the civil sector of the economy, but in fact (had to be implemented) only the financier with his specific "payback periods" and other rubbish has a voice.

[kuz363]

But this is the dignity of these lands. And if there were fertile and crowded, then there would be more damage from these landfills. Accordingly, the rent.

[niki233]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: venaya

I note that the Kazakhs, this single regional air defense system, only for the benefit, it will not be profitable for them to refuse.

Well, yes, the Kazakhs themselves could use it .. Russians are leasing! Well, as always, a rental country ..!

you saw that they did the same with Lenin’s and with the other objects that they got after the division of the union

[gjv]

Quote: niki233

you saw what they did to Lenin

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: venaya

air defense system, only for the benefit,

Not the right word at the minimum cost is closed by the air defense system - the tale is simple .. and also the rent ..

[KazaK Bo]

venaya
I note that the Kazakhs, this single regional air defense system, only for the benefit, it will not be profitable for them to refuse.

I will be very grateful if you explain to me ... who has served more than one year in this system ... WHY KAZAKHSTAN ORTU SPRN ???? Does Kazakhstan have equipment for receiving information in AUTOMATED MODE, a catalog for comparing the orbits of newly discovered objects from already in low Earth orbit, etc.? Does Kazakhstan have missile defense and anti-aircraft defense, strategic missile forces? Kazakhs have enough information board from the Russian Federation with three light windows -
1. All X * ok! Drink koumiss calmly.
2. At-a-a-a-as!
3. Full ATAS! Run in all directions if you have time!
In 1991, Dill, having acquired the SPRN facilities located on its territory, wanted to trade strategic information from ORTU ... but apart from information (like Kazakh, only instead of the word KUMYS it was BURNER) they couldn’t build anything on their KP ... even having close to Kiev in \ school on this profile (but puffed incredibly like that!) ... Similarly, the undertaking from the Gabala ORTU from Azerbaijan also failed ...
There is only one need - to receive money and other preferences for renting!

[cniza]

Quote: avvg

We will always have time to give up the Balkhash node.

No need to refuse, all benefits to the Kazakhs even more.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: cniza

Quote: avvg

We will always have time to give up the Balkhash node.

No need to refuse, all benefits to the Kazakhs even more.

Itself saby ... I was surprised if everything was the other way around! East is a delicate matter...

[NordUral]

Neither we nor Kazakhstan need to refuse. We have one destiny, even now in the rank of independent states, and not of union republics.

[scientist]

The agreement, in particular, provides for “providing information on the rocket and space situation in the region to the points of the state and military administration of the Republic of Kazakhstan and the organization of joint combat duty”.

It looks like the situation is serious and quite dangerous for Russia and possibly even China. Musabaev is still that tipchik, a real pest. Knowing the situation from the inside, I can say with 100% certainty that this is a hunt for missile defense technology. Which, in principle, is normal for any country, if not for Nazarbayev’s multi-vector policy, i.e. spies, agents of influence and other creatures in pairs. Although the radar is old, the organization of the combat alert system will become available to the Kazakh military, which means the United States, Israel, and Turkey. These are countries whose agents can act openly through the KNB security services and have the greatest influence on Kazakhstani officials.

[Guard]

Quote: scientist

will be available to the Kazakh military, which means the United States, Israel, Turkey.

with the same drama I can exclaim: "you, scientist, agent of the Mossad and South African intelligence." Infa is one hundred percent.

Quote: scientist

I can say with 100% certainty

Show the certificate where it says that you do not work for these special services. And then not only Musabaev, but also you -

Quote: scientist

that tip

.

[Denis Obukhov]

It's time.
otherwise it would be completely dilapidated.

[ty60]

The Daryals really liquidated. But on Pechora they modernized. What prevented the Kazakhs from saving?

[TSOOBER]

topic video

[witch]

this is not the latest missile, it is the fastest missile in the world designed and built in the USSR. It is precisely this Soviet-made missile that can be called the fastest missile in the world, since its maximum flight speed is about 5 km / s (or more than 19500 km / h) . You must admit that such speed is incredibly huge! This missile defense began to develop in 1971, and it was put into service in 1989. 53T6 in length is 10 meters, its diameter is one meter, and the mass of missile weapons is 10 tons. The rocket accelerates to its maximum speed in just 3 seconds, while the overload it experiences is more than 100 g. At a height of thirty kilometers 53T6 rises in five seconds. When the missile tests were carried out, eyewitnesses noted that it was impossible to notice how she leaves the silos, and it was difficult to trace all the moments of her flight. That's how high her speed is!

Source: http://topkin.ru/best/22-nauka/534-samaya-bystraya-raketa-v-mire The main purpose of this anti-missile is to intercept ballistic missiles. The interception of the target can be carried out at an altitude of 15-30 kilometers, and the indicator of the range of interception is 80-100 kilometers. Thus, a missile defense can perfectly cope with highly maneuverable and high-altitude hypersonic objects. At the moment, 53T6, despite such a long origin, is used to defend our capital.

Source: http://topkin.ru/best/22-nauka/534-samaya-bystraya-raketa-v-mire

[Izotovp]

With all due respect to you: at Vmax = 5 m / s to an altitude of 30 km in 5 seconds ?! Some kind of inconsistency ...

[Vasyata]

The sorcerer has recovered ... 5km / s

[Izotovp]

I wrote incorrectly, correctly 5 km / s, but this does not cancel the inconsistencies. In 5 seconds, purely mathematically, at this speed, 30 km cannot be scored from scratch.

[Vadim237]

The fastest missile in the world is the ICBM Minuteman 3 - 25800 kilometers per hour.

[your1970]

At the beginning of 2015, only one spacecraft left the Earth's surroundings at a third space velocity. The New Horizons spacecraft was the fastest leaving Earth. 16,26 km / s
The New Horizons left the Earth’s vicinity at the highest speed of all spacecraft. At the time of engine shutdown, it amounted to 16,26 km / s [4] (relative to the Earth). The heliocentric speed was 45 km / s, which would allow the New Horizons to leave the Solar System even without the gravitational maneuver near Jupiter [5]. However, in 2015, the heliocentric speed of the vehicle was about 14,5 km / s [6], which is less than the Voyager-1 speed - 17,012 km / s (Voyager-1 gained more speed due to the additional gravitational maneuver near Saturn).

Even Gagarin was launched at a speed 7,9 km / s - the first space, so everything is stable ..

[Ilya77]

You read the description of the video, this is a missile test for the A-235 system, which began at the end of 2014. 51T6 already according to some reports already withdrawn from service.

[iouris]

No anti-missile needed. You need several landmines of 50-100 megatons, sensors, a computer and a program. No one will be saved.

[Mountain shooter]

Wow acceleration. We are growing. The energy of the starting stages is clearly getting higher.

[Vasyata]

How do the work of the radio unit correspond to the experimental launch of a rocket? What does the video have long been

[avt]

Quote: Vasyata

How do the work of the radio unit correspond to the experimental launch of a rocket?

It correlates normally - they sit and monitor, telemetry is removed. What is the difference with what to work with - experimental or full-time? One hell is flying.

[Vasyata]

Yes, I'm not talking about that). After all, the news was about the future work of radio intelligence, it would be appropriate to post a video from the secret hall where the launch of such a rocket was recorded, and not vice versa). And the radio nodes with air defense are never located nearby

[gjv]

Quote: Vasyata

It would be appropriate to post a video from the secret hall

This "appropriate" is fraught with displacement to "places not so distant" ...

[Alibekulu]

Quote: MIKHAN

The goal is found, we approach closer and tracing under the reed)))) Ducks and geese take off and cops losing their caps scatter

Mikhan notable 3.14-zhol. If this was the case, the same cops would have stuck you in all your holes ..
And maybe they sounded So you were so excited ..

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, as always, rental country ..!

Yeah And why are Russians here a rod .. ?!

The number of Russian specialists willing to work in Kazakhstan continues to grow.This is facilitated by the worsening economic situation in Russia itself and the rather favorable conditions offered to expats by Kazakhstani employers. According to the research service of the company HeadHunter Kazakhstan, which analyzed about 30 thousands of CVs of candidates for hh.kz, more than half of the resumes, which indicate the possibility of moving to our country, account for Russian citizens (57,8%). By the way, back in April, this figure was 46,6 percent, and a year before that - 38,5. In second place are citizens of Ukraine, leaving almost every fifth summary (17,3%), indicating the possibility of moving to Kazakhstan.
..but the influx of specialists from Russia to the Kazakhstani market, according to many recruiters, is, nevertheless, already widespread.

Well, from Ukraine: Despite the barriers to the mass involvement of Ukrainian specialists in the Kazakhstan labor market in the form of a permit to attract foreign labor, which sometimes takes from 3 months and above, as well as a certain amount of working quotas, regulated by the state, Ukrainian expansion is growing specialists on the Kazakhstan labor market. Many Kazakhstani employers consider Ukraine an attractive market - a source of highly qualified personnel, which will cost 30 – 50 percent cheaper than a Russian specialist and 20 – 30 percent cheaper than Kazakhstan.
Although "the scale of labor migration of Ukrainians to Kazakhstan, of course, is much more modest (than to Europe), they are ready to come here for a variety of positions, including average ones, even official statistics show that the number of Ukrainians coming to work in Kazakhstan is growing.
Specialists from Ukraine create their professional parties in Kazakhstan and cooperate. “Word of mouth” works perfectly in their community, according to which information about the attractiveness of the Kazakhstan market reaches more and more new Ukrainians. And for what they are separately valued by employers - Ukrainian specialists are ready for migration in Kazakhstan, they are not afraid of the unknown and consider both work in Almaty - Astana and in the regions. http://www.asiakz.com/za-mesto-pod-solncem

[NordUral]

A great start to the interceptor!

[Denis Skiff]

Lively as the rocket starts

[colonel manuch]

If a knot is needed for the defense of the country, then what questions, especially as we and the Kazakhs need it!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: polkovnik manuch

If a knot is needed for the defense of the country, then what questions, especially as we and the Kazakhs need it!

Kazakhs need money for rent and all their benefits!

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: MIKHAN

Kazakhs need money for rent and all their benefits!

here you are, I’ll say for FREE! still, the Russians, with their money, defended the safety of the Kazakhs, not fools in the Ministry of Defense.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Quote: MIKHAN

Kazakhs need money for rent and all their benefits!

here you are, I’ll say for FREE! still, the Russians, with their money, defended the safety of the Kazakhs, not fools in the Ministry of Defense.

Baikonur is also free ..? Every year, rent increases ... (now we are building our own at an accelerated pace)

[Kasym]

MIKHAN, why are you lying! As in 98g. set the price to 115mil., and remained.
And the RF will not leave Baikonur anywhere. See the last visit of Rogozin 1-2 weeks. back We will build a Baiterek for the Hangar.
LIES, it's time to shut up your "throat" with your statements.
Can you prove what you wrote? LIHR you.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Kasym

MIKHAN, why are you lying! As in 98g. set the price to 115mil., and remained.
And the RF will not leave Baikonur anywhere. See the last visit of Rogozin 1-2 weeks. back We will build a Baiterek for the Hangar.
LIES, it's time to shut up your "throat" with your statements.
Can you prove what you wrote? LIHR you.

Why immediately be offended ..? We will pay for Baikonur of course, but it’s safer to maintain such a serious facility in Russia! In this, do you hope you agree? 115 million Obama’s per year, serious money is still ..)))

[Kasym]

Who is offended ?! Your statements, to put it mildly, are not true.
I repeat, Astana decided to refuse the lease. The ball is on your side. I'll even say more. Nazarbayev offers money for Vostochny. And by and large, apart from the Eastern one, we also need a Sea Launch. So that any flight path is available.
Offers on Zenith. Payment to Kiev at once several rocket carriers Astana. Russia components and loading. Ukraine had to make launch vehicles. But because of the graters between the Slavic brothers, the project did not go.
On the hangar. We build for our money a launch pad for any type of hangar. Russia itself Angara. We gave 220 mil., But Roskosmos hacked the back - only for the light class of the Angara. And then we want to replace the poisonous Proton. For reference. After the emergency launch of Proton in the spring of this year, a large case of saiga occurred (over 130 thousand animals). The strip from Baikonur to Kustanai stretched where the death occurred. Not a single expert examination answered the question: why !? And in time, exactly after the start of Proton. Draw your own conclusions, but OUR AUTHORITIES have put things to a halt. But the first saiga population in number (out of 3) became the second or third. Let me remind you that saiga is a Red Book and its shooting is strictly prohibited.
This is only part of the examples when Kazakhstan wants to substitute a shoulder in space affairs.
I already cited an example of an article in NG, where the generals from outer space proved the malignity of abandoning Baikonur. One of the tricks. BAM at the start from Vostochny will stop for a few days. The second is geographical, flight path. The third is the infrastructure of Baikonur (airfields, chemical plants, assembly, launches of all types of missiles, unlike the East).
Meehan, the fact that Roskosmos is beating itself in the chest for rent and all sorts of "refusals" in launching (which never happened) is nonsense. I will repeat. When it came to the costs of the cosmodrome and the city (there is completely Russian jurisdiction - power, courts, police, etc.), then an intergovernmental Russian-Kazakh was created. commission. She calculated how much it takes to "support the pants" of the city and the spaceport. Water, light, infrastructure, staff, etc. So this figure is 115 mil .. The city is completely subsidized, there are no other things except space. You pay it. Rent it or how - consider yourself. But an ordinary citizen of Kazakhstan does not see anything from this lease, for us it is a matter of prestige and our pride. I remember, Baku for one radar station 300 million dollars. asked, and Balkhash is free for you. And the cosmodrome, please, let's do it only as a boss Some criticize us that the spaceport is falling into disrepair. But they do not understand that we have no LEGAL opportunity to modernize the infrastructure of the city and the cosmodrome - there is your power and laws, i.e. Russian territory.
So it turns out that from the moment of the collapse until 1998, Kazakhstan did not see anything at all, and the launches went on schedule. Alma-Ata was sitting without gas and light, while Baikonur worked like clockwork. "Rent" began only in 1998. That is, Roscosmos from all sorts of international. and commercial launches of the grandmother earned, and Kazakhstan provided this business - rightly so !?
Ascetic wrote that GDP gave the green light for Baikonur Kazakhstan. And I think that our money will not be superfluous. We have no special ambitions, but we cannot allow the cosmodrome with the city to "die" and turn into a heap of reinforced concrete.

[Talgat]

I don’t understand who this Meehan is.

It seems like a patriot of the Russian Federation - and anti-Amerian positions - but every time he throws poop Kazakhs at us - he is either trying to push us away - or the Russians are against us

It is as if she is fulfilling the task of the State Department and quarreling the KZ and the RF - Clintonsha said she would do everything to prevent integration

We all must understand that it was a matter of minutes to destroy (and Gorbach and Eltsin quickly did this)

And building back is harder and longer - and you need patience and tolerance and mutual respect
But I'm sure. that the intrigues of all Mikhanov, etc. will be overcome and Eurasia, like the Phoenix bird (an analogue of our Samruk - by the way, this is the name of the main Kazakh state holding) will be reborn from the "ashes"

In fact, I don’t even worry at all - the Eurasian idea is the strongest and most real - it has been many times over thousands of years and each time the Eurasian empire has revived even more - and it has beaten Europe and restrained China - everything has already been proved by history.
And the Russians will not go anywhere - they can "get sick" with Europe and the "fairy tales of the Viennese forest" and then they will still return to their relatives - to the Tuvans and Yakuts. Tatars and Bashkirs - and Kazakhs to us

[Mig-31]

Quote: ivanosch2012

Again Kazakhstan ... how much you can trust this Nazarbayev and Lukashenko - they will betray, how to drink (they will only promise them "golden mountains" - they will betray ... IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT RUSSIA HAS NO FRIENDS ///

And how many times did Kazakhstan and Belarus betray you? In the event of war, yours will betray you. In the 90s, yours also betrayed, not Kazakhs with Belarusians and not Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, but your Russians betrayed, so there’s nothing to mold any nonsense.

[dchegrinec]

Kazakhs are great fellows, unlike many boobies, they have no illusions! They know the "beneficial" European Union and the prospects with them. We work together, we have the same interests, a single market, one defense and everything will be fine in the future!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: dchegrinec

Kazakhs are great fellows, unlike many boobies, they have no illusions! They know the "beneficial" European Union and the prospects with them. We work together, we have the same interests, a single market, one defense and everything will be fine in the future!

I have a feeling that they do not care under anyone .. The main thing is that they drip money and that they don’t touch it ..! Russia is of course closer and more reliable ...

[Kasym]

Here's a simple example. Polygon Sary-Shagan. This is a "strip" from the border with the Russian Federation (Astrakhan) to Lake. Balkhash is 1 km long and at least 500 km wide (50 thousand sq. Km). Now remember what the problem was in Russia in the summer - locusts. If Kazakhstan did not cultivate and monitor the land of the landfill, then how many locusts will there be on 75 thousand square kilometers? To produce this locust poison, an entire plant is in operation. The rent money is meant for such cases and tasks.

[Ivanosch2012]

Again Kazakhstan ... how much you can trust this Nazarbayev and Lukashenko - they will betray, how to drink (they will only promise them "golden mountains" - they will betray ... IT IS NOT CLEAR THAT RUSSIA HAS NO FRIENDS ///

[avt]

Quote: ivanosch2012

.. how much can you believe this Nazarbayev and Lukashenko

So what ? What is this hysteria for? Cry and cover up all the technical facilities necessary for the Ministry of Defense on the territory of Kaazakhstan and Belarus? Maybe "Window" in Tajikistan can also be dismantled for scrap There is an opportunity to work on a mutually beneficial basis - we must work.

[nrex]

If there are certain disagreements, this does not mean at all that we are enemies. The main dialogue and ultimate understanding of common interests.

[Andrey KZ]

Quote: ivanosch2012

REALLY DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THAT RUSSIA HAS NO FRIENDS //

You have no friends, but Russia has it!

[Talgat]

For example, we, Kazakhs, know Russian as well. and brought up on Russian literature and culture. we are "bicultural" and no matter what Mikhanov we will always be not just friends of Russia and Russians. but also a spare "repository" of the Russian language and Russian culture

And Russia, I remind you, it’s not only Russians native to our culture, but also our blood brothers Tuvans and all Altai people. Bashkirs, Tatars and Yakuts - and even Buryats - although not Turks - but an integral part of our common world

[Old26]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Wow acceleration. We are growing. The energy of the starting stages is clearly getting higher.

We don't grow anywhere. The rocket is over 40 years old. And the starting stage in the sense that it does not have it on anti-aircraft and anti-missile missiles. As there is no rocket engine in general, in the usual sense of this term. Used EMNIP "controlled explosion"

Quote: polkovnik manuch

If a knot is needed for the defense of the country, then what questions, especially as we and the Kazakhs need it!

But why we need it is not entirely clear. Now we say that we need to get away from the situation so that the segments of the strategic system (missile defense missile defense system) are on the territory of other states, then we continue to do this. Moreover, the station is old, it is more than 40 years old, and not far away, in Irkutsk a new station was installed on the base, more powerful, "long-range", covering the observation sector of Saryshagan and one third longer in range.
I'm not talking about the state of the landfill. In principle, we need it only for one thing, in order to start up new blocks from Kapyar. But for this, this radar is not needed ...

[gjv]

Quote: Old26

to start new blocks from Kapyar. But for this, this radar is not needed ...

All reports say that this particular radar is used to control test launches at the Sary-Shagan test site.

[Old26]

Quote: Max_Bauder

Quote: MIKHAN

Kazakhs need money for rent and all their benefits!

here you are, I’ll say for FREE! still, the Russians, with their money, defended the safety of the Kazakhs, not fools in the Ministry of Defense.

Do not smack bullshit. For 5 polygons (Sary-Shagan, Emba and 3 polygons of FACE), we paid $ 27,5 million per year per year. For Baikonur - 115. Since 2005, we have paid for Sary-Shagan at 18,932 million dollars a year. Since 2016, the rental price will decrease to 16,276 million dollars a year (more than a billion rubles). Pretty Free

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Old26

Quote: Max_Bauder

Quote: MIKHAN

Kazakhs need money for rent and all their benefits!

here you are, I’ll say for FREE! still, the Russians, with their money, defended the safety of the Kazakhs, not fools in the Ministry of Defense.

Do not smack bullshit. For 5 polygons (Sary-Shagan, Emba and 3 polygons of FACE), we paid $ 27,5 million per year per year. For Baikonur - 115. Since 2005, we have paid for Sary-Shagan at 18,932 million dollars a year. Since 2016, the rental price will decrease to 16,276 million dollars a year (more than a billion rubles). Pretty Free

There the steppes are solid no roads and there is nothing ... Even there are no yurts! We pay for desert rental!

[Kasym]

Balkhash will be given for free.
According to Baikonur. RK wants to move away from the lease and take part in the modernization of the infrastructure (it's up to Moscow) of the cosmodrome and the city. And also in space affairs. Proposals were put forward from Astana for Angara (Baiterek, RK invested $ 220 million in the project) and Zenith. The second project "stalled" because of Kiev, and on Bayterek they decided to create a commission that should give answers to all questions in two months .. Roscosmos transfers money (and most often some kind of barter, for example, our studies in military universities of the Russian Federation or barter for armaments) not to the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but to the needs of the cosmodrome and the city. How much do you think is the maintenance of these objects (light, water, etc., etc.) and why Kazakhstan paid for such benefits before 1998? do you know without the participation of Russia? You know that only in 1998. Moscow began to "pay" - this year the Russian Federation gave us 3 Su-27s with depleted resources, that your pilots were ashamed of such rubbish ?!
RK only asks for the "cost" for these objects. Special Russian-Kazakh the commission in the 90s calculated the amount required for the maintenance of all objects of the Russian Federation on our territory. Let me remind you that 17% of the territory of Kazakhstan was under the needs of the Ministry of Defense. And this is more than 400 thousand square meters. kilometers. Until now, the territory of the Semipalatinsk Nuclear Test Site and ter. under chem. and bact. We do not use weapons, and for a long time we will not be able to. But nowhere is no one yelling that the USSR has shit on us and is doing nothing to restore it. Although we are doing this ourselves. The same is the Aral Sea (because of the cotton, which the USSR needed) - a dam was built there, several tens of kilometers away, to save the rest of the sea. Or the virgin lands, which were plowed up, and now it is turning into a desert because of the illiterate Khrushchev. The list of problems can be continued, but nowhere will you find that Kazakhstanis "whine" about this. The same famine that was rocked by Ukraine - Kazakhs suffered more than Ukrainians.
"There is nothing further than YESTERDAY. But there is nothing closer than TOMORROW."

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Kasym

Kazakhstan were under the needs of the Ministry of Defense. And this is more than 400 thousand square meters. kilometers. Until now, the territory of the Semipalatinsk Nuclear Test Site and ter. under chem. and bact. We do not use weapons, and for a long time we will not be able to. But nowhere is no one yelling that the USSR has shit on us and is doing nothing to restore it. Although we are doing this ourselves. The same is the Aral Sea (because of the cotton, which the USSR needed) - a dam was built there, several tens of kilometers away, to save the rest of the sea. Or the virgin lands, which were plowed up, and now it is turning into a desert because of the illiterate Khrushchev. The list of problems can be continued, but nowhere you will find that Kazakhstanis "whine" about this. The same famine that was rocked by Ukraine - Kazakhs suffered more than Ukrainians.

We owe a lot of money to Kazakhstan ... Please in line! With all we will pay in full! Give time to count everything!

[Kasym]

Meehan, I write:
"There is nothing further than YESTERDAY. But there is nothing closer than TOMORROW."
This is an UNPROPECTED LESSON - old cases (in the Republic of Kazakhstan no one wants such a showdown: neither the authorities, nor the people). Who had money in the 90s? I am writing that the killed Su-27s were put into trash in 1998. And we are not "poor relatives". Like Minsk, we don't ask for anything special (we have Kyrgyz, whom we help). All that we ask is everything to the point.
The words GDP have already become a legend for us. "I am ready to sign any papers with Kazakhstan, even without looking. Because everything that Kazakhstan does not offer is beneficial to both parties."
By the way, on Tselin. The National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine wants to plant forest belts throughout Tselin in order to stop the weathering of fertile upper soil. Astana has already been ringed by forest plantations - the forest has already grown.

[Yereke]

What, why useless to explain a tree with imperial concepts? It seems to them that everyone owes them ... they do not understand. Atadan kalgan dipped the bar, - orys the bolsin hos, aybaltan kasynda bolsyn. Mysaly, Kashgaryan Kim Kytayga berip giberdi kazinde, Kytaymen kelisip? Kim Ospan batyrdy satyp giberdi kezinda, ogpu admadara, al olar basynda olardy koldagan ..

I am beginning to understand the Ukrainians and support them, since the imperial does not hide their ambitions here and we understand Russian as well.

[kamil_tt]

do not pay attention, an ordinary provocateur, without such a single article can not do, offended by the whole world, looking for all the enemies, as if their few ..

[Talgat]

Ereka, I understand your indignation by Mikhan with these and the like. but believe me - not all Russians are

No need to "begin to understand Ukrainians" they want to go to Europe and we are Kazakhs "the heart and root" of Eurasia

On the contrary - we must re-educate the Russians - turn them from west to east to us

Remind. that the Eurasian empires have always been a union of Orthodox Slavs (or their ancestors) and the great steppe. Steppe and Russians together always beat Europe

[kamil_tt]

Talgat, is it really necessary to beat someone and be friends against someone? This should be done, just like that, for the common good and on mutually beneficial terms, this is the essence of the "multi-vector policy", which is so disliked here, and they believe that any ally should unconditionally support any adventures of the other.
It is impossible to build a foreign policy on the confrontation and unite for this. The most successful countries in the social sphere (which is ultimately the goal of the state mechanism, and not far-fetched high goals) do not regularly and purposefully seek enemies, this is the lot of totalitarian countries and leaders to distract the population from internal problems, total corruption and etc. - find a goal and direct public hatred at external stimuli ..

[Talgat]

Yes, you are absolutely correct in saying that you don't have to "beat" someone - we are not maniacs

I simply unsuccessfully put it, but I had in mind a completely different thing - Europe, for thousands of years since the time of Rome, has tried to colonize all of us Eurasia - the Slavs and the steppe

Make us the same colony as Africa Latinos and Asia

The confrontation began even earlier - see Alexander the Great tried to cross the Amu Darya and enter further into the territory of present-day Kazakhstan (but the local Saks "convinced him", the knights attacked Novgorod and the Kipchaks (Nevsky was married to a Kipchachka) helped Nevsky fight back,

That is, I did not want to say "BEATED" (although they were beaten in fact) - but defended our common homeland. the territory of the USSR, in fact, in 1612 and in 1812 and in 1945 all the peoples of the Union - both the Slavs and the steppe as the main components

[SCHNIFER]

Hang on Sechin personal tax on the maintenance of Leninsk. It will pull. And refuses - kөtіңdі ayyramyn! Sіktіm yes, Kol қoydym ...

[Kasym]

One cannot judge everyone like that. It is impossible not to respond to his comments - everyone will think that it is.
Ukraine will not go anywhere - the riotous will take a walk, but it will return - where will it go !? The West does not want to give money, but for free (9 billion from Russia per year), the Kiev authorities can no longer. Let the Square get sick - you just have to wait. GDP has already started "frost" - a word for Kiev did not say in the message.
Vasilenko disappeared somewhere. That still frame.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Here it is necessary to go prepared for fishing and hunting for lakes in Kazakhstan! You drive a kilometer to the lake and look through the binoculars for caps in reeds ...)))) The target is found, we drive closer and tracer under the reeds)))) Ducks and geese take off and cops lose their caps to run away (while there are gyr, gyr,) You can calmly fish! Silence, talk for life, bonfire ... Leaving everything we clean!

[nrex]

Somehow in bandit style do not you think?

[Humpty]

Quote: nrex

Somehow in bandit style do not you think?

You probably just do not know. Kazakhstan is very different. It depends on the place. That is why the Kazakhstani comrades in the forum sometimes sincerely do not understand what unjust criticism is from their point of view. There are excellent new roads, there are roads where hundreds of kilometers are not roads, but directions. I think this is a common, even natural state of affairs.
There are places where the drunk police can, politely, instead of a taxi, bring to the hotel, so that away from sin. And there are vast territories where the police are much worse than the bandits with which the reeds are stuffed, hills and saxaul. It seems that Meehan loves fishing in one of the many gangster corners.

[tinibar]

Quote: Izotovp

With all due respect to you: at Vmax = 5 m / s to an altitude of 30 km in 5 seconds ?! Some kind of inconsistency ...

The author has 5km / s, be careful, sorry ...

[Old26]

Quote: gjv

Quote: Old26

to start new blocks from Kapyar. But for this, this radar is not needed ...

All reports say that this particular radar is used to control test launches at the Sary-Shagan test site.

The azimuth of this station (RLA No. 5) is 152 degrees. That is, it is oriented to the southeast. The one that was previously used to control launches - RELYA No. 4 ORTU-49 and had an azimuth of 270 was dismantled in 1995, that is, 20 years ago

[Old26]

Quote: gjv

At present it includes one "Dnestr" radar and two "Dnepr" radars and

In fact, out of 5 stations of the Dniester-Dnepr type, only one Dnepr station remained (radar cell No. 5). The rest are dismantled

[Siberia M 54]

All of the above is very informative and interesting for me. But the decision has been made. AND WHO SIGNED!

[individual]

It is necessary in every way to maintain the connections that are and are time-tested.
Everything else is unpredictable.

[Al_oriso]

... will give a new impetus to the development of Russian-Kazakh relations in the military field.

To develop, and develop only with Kazakhstan. It is unlikely that there will be other such strong ties.

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Thank you Kazakhstan! YOUR "GENERANCE IS UNLIMITED"!

[Mig-31]

Quote: MIKHAN

Quote: polkovnik manuch

If a knot is needed for the defense of the country, then what questions, especially as we and the Kazakhs need it!

Kazakhs need money for rent and all their benefits!

Oh, straight! As if you are not looking for benefits? A la Robin hood is just noble!

[Old26]

Quote: Kasym

Balkhash will be given for free.

Who to believe? To you or to the prime minister of Russia. He announced the figure of 16 with a penny of millions of dollars for 2016 ...

Quote: Kasym

According to Baikonur. RK wants to move away from the lease and take part in the modernization of the infrastructure (it's up to Moscow) of the cosmodrome and the city. And also in space affairs. Proposals were put forward from Astana for Angara (Baiterek, RK invested $ 220 million in the project) and Zenith. The second project "stalled" because of Kiev, and on Bayterek they decided to create a commission that should give answers to all questions in two months .. Roscosmos transfers money (and most often some kind of barter. for armaments) not to the budget of the Republic of Kazakhstan, but to the needs of the cosmodrome and the city

In principle, this can be understood. 3-5 years will pass and the need for Baikonur will disappear.
I've heard about Baiterek for 10 years, no less, but "things are still there."
220 million dollars, EMNIP even in the opinion of your Kazkosmos it took only to prepare the documentation. And not for the construction of sites.
The point is now Russia to start a new project, to re-equip starts, when there will be similar starts in the East ...
At Zenith, you can really put a big and bold cross. Consider that such a rocket no longer exists ...

Quote: Kasym

The same Aral Sea (because of the cotton that the USSR needed) - there they built a dam several tens of kilometers in order to save the rest of the sea.

In this case, you shouldn't blame everything on the USSR. Local leaders (princelings, bai) went out of their way to give an increase not by interest, but by several times ... Now everything is blamed on the USSR. Not worth it ... It was possible to conduct agriculture more thoughtfully, and not so that you were marked at the next congress of the CPSU with a new "Golden Star"

Quote: Kasym

By the way, on Tselin. The National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine wants to plant forest belts throughout Tselin in order to stop the weathering of fertile upper soil. Astana has already been ringed by forest plantations - the forest has already grown.

And here he is right at all 1000%. The south of Russia (North Caucasus) was subject to the same misfortune. But the forest belt did their job

[NDR-791]

Yes, the station is old, but to scrape together a new one - you need to press some Chubais to the nail, and this requires some will. And even if a new one is built with our sawmills like "Vostochny", then there will not be enough funds at all. I hope that there is at least some kind of modernization amenable to. But in the end, we need this station more for testing, but the psheki raised the issue of deploying amer missiles with nuclear warheads on their territory. This is the QUESTION. There is already the third echelon visible !!! Money, of course, does not smell, but let's see how the people respond. If they could get by with the heptyl stench before, now it will be oh ... and it falls here ...

[avt]

Quote: Old26

In principle, this can be understood. 3-5 years will pass and the need for Baikonur will disappear.

In 3-5 years, manned launches from Vostochny? I doubt it.

Quote: Old26

I've heard about Baiterek for 10 years, no less, but "things are still there."
220 million dollars, EMNIP even in the opinion of your Kazkosmos it took only to prepare the documentation. And not for the construction of sites.

“It’s clear - they zaguvali a bracelet,” - here a joint operation on the passage of money through the accounts must be carried out - where they poured, and those in Kazakhstan and those from Prospect Mira did not frolic. 200 million ... yes, I lived like that! from the air .... ,, from the sky, an asterisk fell "

Quote: Old26

The point is now Russia to start a new project, to re-equip starts, when there will be similar starts in the East ...

I strongly doubt that "Angara" will be in Baikonur - there are TWO more sites for it to be built ?? It looks more like Rogozin drove over the ears in Kazakhstan with Baiterek, well, so as not to be sad about

Quote: Old26

At Zenith, you can really put a big and bold cross. Consider that such a rocket no longer exists ...

As well as "Sea Launch" - a suitcase without a handle.

Quote: Old26

And here he is right at all 1000%. The south of Russia (North Caucasus) was subject to the same misfortune. But the forest belt did their job

Actually, not only there, but also in Ukraine and Russia, there was a Stalinist program for preserving black earth soil from erosion, but Nykysta Sergeevich instantly bogged it down and cut Kazakh virgin soil without looking. So if Kazakhstan wants to leave behind a grain wedge, it’s necessary to do B MANDATORY, but not stupid along the edges of the fields, but be sure to calculate, taking into account the availability of water resources for subsequent water retention and reclamation of both the fields and the pastures proper. A very serious work for the long term is really work for future generations.

[Kasym]

16 mil. to other objects or to the maintenance of the station. The same is for Baikonur. Recently, we have been taking on "barter" - training of the military in the higher educational institutions of the Russian Federation, and we do the maintenance of Baikonur ourselves. We have recently commented on the authorities that the site is free of charge. In common interests, Kazakhstan's contribution to the defense capability of the CSTO countries, etc. etc..
On Russia24 there was a plot of Rogozin's visit to Baikonur on the issue of Baiterek. And why this documentation if there is no "start"? For us, the money of Kazakhstan just went nowhere, do you agree?
No one, I repeat, in the Republic of Kazakhstan does not blame the problems of the Aral Sea on the USSR. But in fact, it was during the USSR that Amurdarya ceased to fall into the Aral. And the salt from this lake was already noticed in the Scandinavians. The issue must be resolved at the international level, we alone will not solve.
By forest belts. A good example is Ukraine and its steppe part in Drnbass. They were not too lazy under the USSR and now everything is in order.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

No one, I repeat, in the Republic of Kazakhstan does not blame the problems of the Aral Sea on the USSR. But in fact, it was during the USSR that Amurdarya ceased to fall into the Aral.

Quote: Kasym

. The issue must be resolved at the international level, we alone will not solve.

Russia even more so. The question is to Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan. Under Stalin, it was planned to fill Sarakamish, taking no more than 17-35 square kilometers. The construction site was frozen, and then the Karakum Canal was built, and the Turkmen Bashi started making the “Turkmen” lake, that is, AFTER the USSR, water was simply stupidly started from each other, and most of the irrigation systems of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan actually go to sand, but the Aral Sea is the last in this chain ...

Quote: Kasym

By forest belts. A good example is Ukraine and its steppe part in Drnbass. They were not too lazy under the USSR and now everything is in order.

No . Firstly, they did not finish everything planned according to the plan; Secondly, the program was comprehensive, namely, crop rotation was clearly planned out in order to keep the layer of black soil at the level. Now, however, the Hozeks stupidly drove into the same culture with small grasses in some places reduced to a thin layer from half a meter.

[Kosmodrom]

MIKHAN anneals to the fullest. The truth is always somewhere in between. Rather closer to KASIM. Russia's position is understandable — she does not want to be dependent on anything, because the situation in Kazakhstan can change instantly, as in Ukraine (and let Kasym not be offended). Space is a huge cost that even Germany cannot afford. Therefore, Kazakhstan has not decided on Baiterek - I want everything for nothing. If there was money, then Baiterek would have been built long ago - even on the Hangar, even on the Union, even on the Zenith. An example of South Korea. The rocket flew, and the program stalled. The reason is simple - Korea wants Russia to help in the development of 2 steps for nothing. He doesn’t want to pay money for technology.
Regarding the fact that Kazakhstan can not do anything at the cosmodrome because there the jurisdiction of Russia is deceit. The Russian side wants to transfer more than 1000 objects to the cosmodrome to Kazakhstan. But this issue is not solved since they need money to support them and the number of objects leased from Kazakhstan is reduced, which implies a decrease in the amount of rent.
About the templates: MIKHAN buy a license and do not hide in the reeds, like a crook (the price of 250 rubles is not poorer. But you will rest without hassle)
KASIM before asserting about the gazelles, it was necessary to start with the fact that the Aral Sea had dried up due to the cosmodrome, in the Kzyl-Orda region the highest mortality was from ...... (the list can be added by the encyclopedia’s own medicine), the fish disappeared in the Syr Darya , Bolatbek does not have such a steel bolt.

[Kasym]

The question is being considered by the Government of the Republic of Kazakhstan on financing Baikonur from the country's budget.
All 150 mil. dale The cost of MO facilities in the Republic of Kazakhstan is less than 1% of the country's budget (over 40 billion, including devaluation, even 20 billion), or much less than 1% of the country's GDP (over 200 billion, including devaluation, let it be 100 billion). Therefore, all of Mikhan’s claims that Kazakhstan lives by rent are complete nonsense.
The Aral Sea began to dry up due to the fact that the water of the Amurdarya ceased to fall into the lake - it goes to irrigation. And the Uzbeks are ready to fight for water.
About the saiga. Internet to help.

[933454818]

In 1977, I served in a construction battalion and took part in the construction of some kind of radar, in the pictures it looks like a "Daryal" - an inclined antenna with a height of 112 m, a base length of 120 m, the town was called "Balkhash-9" and was not far from the railway station Gulshad. Then he served already in Priozersk-4. On Google I found those places - everything is destroyed, the barracks are broken, it is sad. And the antenna on Balkhash-9 is worth, and even then nearby and something else is built. Yes, so much there hard work of a soldier, almost gratuitous, and everything went under the dog's tail.

[Valkh]

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Everything is abandoned there .... roads are broken, villages are abandoned ... One locust breeds! And the cops in the reeds are caught, lonely fishermen!

- Meehan, worry about Russian roads. I was in Yekaterinburg recently (for some reason the locals call their city dissonant - "Yoburg!". They love their city, they respect), so in this industrial center, to which there are more sophisticated factories than in all of Kazakhstan, there are no roads, there are prominent directions. Yes, we have better roads in the wilderness, I generally keep quiet about the roads in Astana and Almaty, no one makes hodovki for a long time, who only rides in the city. You have not been to Kazakhstan, you are trying to prove something to us, Kazakhstani people, using stereotypes alone! And your stereotype is simple - "Asians are cross-eyed, how can they have something not started?" Meehan, look after your sturgeons, in Yoburg you will have sturgeons on the road, this is in a fancy city. Are the city authorities ashamed? Instead of the Yeltsin Center, it would be better to actually make roads.

EBURG is a word from the pilots, of whom there are many in Yekaterinburg !!! Previously, this was the name of the point of mandatory reporting and changing the frequencies of sectors - the point "ring" !!!!! Something like this!!!!

[Old26]

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Yes, the station is old, but to scrape together a new one - you need to press some Chubais to the nail, and this requires some will. And even if a new one is built with our sawmills like "Vostochny", then there will not be enough funds at all. I hope that there is at least some kind of modernization amenable to. But in the end, we need this station more for testing, but the psheki raised the issue of deploying amer missiles with nuclear warheads on their territory. This is the QUESTION. There is already the third echelon visible !!! Money, of course, does not smell, but let's see how the people respond. If they could get by with the heptyl stench before, now it will be oh ... and it falls here ...

Why build a new one? It already exists in Irkutsk. a radar unit consisting of two Voronezh-VP stations plus an old Dnepr radar station. In terms of its performance characteristics, it also covers the sectors and ranges of the Saryshagan "Dnepr"

Quote: avt

In 3-5 years, manned launches from Vostochny? I doubt it.

Increase the term from 3-5 to 5-7. This is not important. At Baikonur, Russia put an end to it and use it because there are no other options yet ...

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I strongly doubt that "Angara" will be in Baikonur - there are TWO more sites to build for it ?? It looks more like Rogozin drove over his ears in Kazakhstan with Baiterek

Moreover, unlike Vostochny, where everything was done from scratch, at Baikonur EMNIP planned to make these starts at the start site of Proton. That is, first it was necessary to demolish the unnecessary, pump out the groundwater, which probably flooded underground floors on unused sites, and then build new starts ...

[avt]

Quote: Old26

Increase the term from 3-5 to 5-7. This is not important.

I don’t know - I haven’t worked in the industry for a long time. But the presence of a table for the "seven" - "Union", makes it possible, but does not mean immediately a manned launch. Again, they seem to make the module several times under the "Angara".

Quote: Old26

at Baikonur EMNIP planned to make these launches at the site of the Proton launches.

I have not heard about it.

Quote: Old26

. That is, at first it was necessary to demolish the unnecessary, pump out the groundwater, which on unused sites probably flooded the underground floors, and then build new starts ...

What kind of "water" to pump out from under the desktop ??? Another thing is that the re-equipment of the table, I know this by what they did under the "Buran" after the "King of the Rocket" -N-1, it's really easier to make a new table. for that matter, than to break the semiautomatic device under the "Proton", it is better to shovel the same platform from the "King of the Rocket" / "Buran". Moreover, they were sharpened there for cryogenics, but in what condition everything is there ...

[Old26]

Quote: avt

As well as "Sea Launch" - a suitcase without a handle.

But at least there are options. Realizable in the near future or not, but there are media options ...

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Actually, not only there, but also in Ukraine and Russia - the Stalinist program for the conservation of black soil from erosion

In our region, such a state forest protection strip has a length of about 300-350 km

Quote: Kasym

16 mil to other facilities or to station maintenance.

For Sary-Shagan ...

Quote: Kasym

Kazakhstan’s money just went nowhere, do you agree?

I agree. At one time, when I looked at the site of your analogue of our Roskosmos, Kazkosmos itself was struck by a huge figure. why invest such an amount in the documentation when the complex was not yet on the horizon ...

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No one, I repeat, in the Republic of Kazakhstan does not blame the problems of the Aral Sea on the USSR. But in fact, it was during the USSR that Amurdarya ceased to fall into the Aral.

I don’t even say that they dump. But in those years, the leaders of the republics of Central Asia tried to beat each other in achievements. And about the rivers. When I was on a business trip to Leninsk, we were strongly not recommended to open the tap and use the water from the Syr Darya. It was possible to catch hepatitis in an elementary way, it was so ... let's say, contaminated with various muck ...

[avt]

Quote: Old26

But at least there are options.

What kind ? And most importantly - under what COMMERCIAL program, and the complex was created precisely as a commercial program, are you going to change it, and when will the grandmas beat off? Americans consider pennies in such matters and were the first to jump off selling their share in the project, and now they also have a "pen" - "Zenith "fell off so that you can't attach it. Everything needs to be done anew.

[Kasym]

According to Baiterek. Agreed. RK allocated money for documentation. Then Popovkin said that he would not give a heavy class to Angara. And we would like to replace the heptyl Proton with an environmentally friendly Angara. That's all the fuss. Thrown, not thrown, draw your own conclusion. But they unexpectedly returned to the question at the end of last year, and Rogozin was there a couple of weeks ago. Result: a commission that will answer all questions about the construction of the Baiterek launch site for the Angara at Baikonur. What is Astana's fault, or are we proposing something bad? After all, space cannot be called a commercially profitable business.
On water. In that Arkalyk, the water supply system is over 200 km. goes and the water is just a guard. And we look after the Syr Darya. That regulators and control, and treatment activities are carried out. And so that the water does not spread over the Aral Sea, a dam of the 1st stage was built. But we must build the following. So the problem of water is the main one in the region.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

What is the fault of Astana, or are we offering something bad?

Where and when did I write about some kind of "wine" ???? Once again

Quote: avt

“It’s clear - they zaguvali a bracelet,” - here a joint operation on the passage of money through the accounts must be carried out - where they poured, and those in Kazakhstan and those from Prospect Mira did not frolic. 200 million ... yes, I lived like that! from the air .... ,, from the sky, an asterisk fell "

Well, I’ll clarify - the lads from Prospect Mira in Moscow.
All this past looks like a specific financial scam in which everyone is happy, and therefore they do not itch with the search for missing money.

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But they unexpectedly returned to the question at the end of last year, and Rogozin was there a couple of weeks ago. Result: a commission that will answer all questions about the construction of the Baiterek launch site for the Angara at Baikonur.

“There is a friend of Horatio that our sages never dreamed of" A table in Plisetsk, a table in Vostochny and a table in Baikonur / Bayterek, and even A5, and A-7 in potential ??? , Prisoner of the Caucasus "-" Daragoy! Where have you been!? I remembered a wonderful toast! ",, Write down and bring to the room in triplicate" I understand ours - even with the showdown on Vostochny and the missed deadlines and the arrest of several defendants, I am not averse to all this, "in triplicate" But who will pay for it? Well, if they do decide - "If you are going to Delat a shish kebab from this Newest, don't forget to invite"

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. So the problem of water is the main one in the region.

When I wrote about

Quote: avt

really goes into the sand

Already in Soviet times, they raised the topic that the drainage channels stupidly do not have a concrete bed, as we say in the Crimea - they dug through and to hell with it. Terrible water losses are compensated by additional selection, and after 1991 they simply fell off the chain. Yes, so REALLY CAN start fighting for water.

[Kasym]

AVT, I wrote it OLD26.

[933454818]

I worked in a geological party near the city of Zarafshan in Uzbekistan. Water flowed to us from the Amu-Darya river for almost 200 km. For my children born there, I had to prepare milk mixtures in distilled water, because these mixtures turned off from the water from the tap. But as for the drying of the Aral Sea and the Caspian, the story is completely different - there is nothing to do with the USSR or anyone else-read the article, it seemed plausible to me- http://www.kramola.info/vesti/ neobyknovennoe / otkuda-gorod-chast-10-svidetelstva-
flood

[Kasym]

The problem is that the USSR did not particularly want to solve the problem, there were only plans for the transfer of rivers from Siberia.
Geologists say that the Aral has already dried up 3 times.

[avt]

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I worked in a geological party near Zarafshan in Uzbekistan. Almost 200 km of water flowed to us from Amu-Darya.

Even what went through the pipes - who and when did they inspect and carry out the defect after 1991?

Quote: Kasym

The problem is that the USSR didn’t particularly want to solve the problem,

they were going to decide. But how? Extremely large-scale projects and the development of funds.

Quote: Kasym

, there were only plans for the transfer of rivers from Siberia.

Actually, this fairy tale is quite a matter of the Ministry of Water Management. They stopped it WITH WORK, for a second - while implementing the plans, Arkhangelsk could have made a “Polar Venice” - it would have been a catastrophe for the entire circumpolar territory of Russia at the mouths of rivers.

Quote: Kasym

AVT, I wrote it OLD26.

Sure, not a problem .

[Old26]

Quote: avt

What kind ? And most importantly - under what COMMERCIAL program, and the complex was created precisely as a commercial program, are you going to change it, and when will the grandmas beat off? Americans consider pennies in such matters and were the first to jump off selling their share in the project, and now they also have a "pen" - "Zenith "fell off so that you can't attach it. Everything needs to be done anew.

The task will be set - they will make the carrier. Now this, here you are right, is not relevant.

[Vadim12]

If you think normally, Kazakhstan does not need Baikonur or the Balkhash radar at all.

[Lindon]

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If you think normally, Kazakhstan does not need Baikonur or the Balkhash radar at all.

If you can think, then such nonsense does not occur.
Thanks to Baikonur, Kazakhstan occupies the 9 place in the number of cosmonauts and leads among Muslim countries. Thanks to Balkhash, Kazakhstan has access to such technologies that other countries do not even dream of.
Kazakhstan paid a heavy price (in the form of the Semipalatinsk nuclear and Aral bacteriological training grounds) to now receive at least some benefit from the cosmodrome and other military facilities of the USSR that are larger than Belgium in territory.

[Kasym]

I just want to clarify. Landfills occupied a territory slightly smaller than Germany, or all of Ukraine (naturally without the Crimea) could be crammed. It is not up to me to judge much or little.

[Old26]

Quote: avt

I don’t know - I haven’t worked in the industry for a long time. But the presence of a table for the "seven" - "Union", makes it possible, but does not mean immediately a manned launch. Again, they seem to make the module several times under the "Angara".

It’s hard to disagree

Quote: avt

I have not heard about it.

Instead of the 40th Proton-K launcher at the 200th site, they were going to do launchers for the Angara

Quote: avt

What kind of "water" to pump out from under the desktop ??? Another thing is that the re-equipment of the table, I know this by what they did under the "Buran" after the "King of the Rocket" -N-1, it's really easier to make a new table. for that matter, than to break the semiautomatic device under the "Proton", it is better to shovel the same platform from the "King of the Rocket" / "Buran". Moreover, they were sharpened there for cryogenics, but in what condition everything is there ...

Well, certainly not from under the table. few structures buried on several floors?
At 110 worked? How long? My friend served there in 82-86

[Eulogius]

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For example, we, Kazakhs, know Russian as well. and brought up on Russian literature and culture. we are "bicultural" and no matter what Mikhanov we will always be not just friends of Russia and Russians. but also a spare "repository" of the Russian language and Russian culture

And Russia, I remind you, it’s not only Russians native to our culture, but also our blood brothers Tuvans and all Altai people. Bashkirs, Tatars and Yakuts - and even Buryats - although not Turks - but an integral part of our common world

Thank you, Talgat, said well.

[Wolka]

Yes, everything is tied up as in the USSR and has not gone anywhere, only improving ...

[Dragon-y]

Quote: Kasym

I already cited an example of an article in NG, where the generals from outer space proved the malignity of abandoning Baikonur. One of the tricks. BAM at the start from Vostochny will stop for a few days. The second is geographical, flight path. The third is the infrastructure of Baikonur (airfields, chemical plants, assembly, launches of all types of missiles, unlike the East).
Meehan, the fact that Roskosmos is beating itself in the chest for rent and all sorts of "refusals" in launching (which never happened) is nonsense. I will repeat. When it came to the costs of the cosmodrome and the city (there is completely Russian jurisdiction - power, courts, police, etc.) But an ordinary citizen of Kazakhstan does not see anything from this lease, for us it is a matter of prestige and our pride. Some criticize us that the spaceport is falling into disrepair. But they do not understand that we have no LEGAL opportunity to modernize the infrastructure of the city and the cosmodrome - there is your power and laws, i.e. Russian territory.
So it turns out that from the moment of the collapse until 1998, Kazakhstan did not see anything at all, and the launches went on schedule. Alma-Ata was sitting without gas and light, while Baikonur worked like clockwork. "Rent" began only in 1998. That is, Roscosmos from all sorts of international. and commercial launches of the grandmother earned, and Kazakhstan provided this business - rightly so !?

I wonder why this BAM should "stop" during launches from Vostochny? KazZhD does not overlap during launches from Baikonur, for some reason ...
What kind of "chemical plant" is this? :) A plant where liquid oxygen is extracted, or what?
As for the fact that "an ordinary citizen of Kazakhstan does not see anything from a lease" - do you know how many citizens of Kazakhstan work in enterprises and in the city, how many more visiting merchants? .. (prices in the city are noticeably higher than in the region)
"Almaty was without electricity, but Baikonur started ..." - well, well, were you here in 1994-1996? When there was no gas (it is still "liquefied" in cisterns), and the electricity was turned off like a fan? And this was when it was -30C outside ...

By the way, the second photo from the top is outdated - that "case" has long been gone, disassembled as unnecessary ...

[Zena20298]

All these agreements are valid while Nazarbayev is in power .... he is an adequate leader, competent, but he is not eternal. Who will come to replace? Are there such people surrounded by the president?
I don’t have time to read all the comments, but I’ll say that the roads in Kazakhstan are even better in some places than in Russia, the authorities are following this, and they have bought normal equipment, and we are still doing patching work in the rainy season ... And Yes, in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan we have many relatives, those who live in Kazakhstan do not complain about life, but those who live in Kyrgyzstan have a low standard of living. Yes, and the national question is acute in Kyrgyzstan, the attitude towards the Russian-speaking population there was worse before and now nothing has changed, in Kazakhstan there are much less nationalistic manifestations, but of course they also exist.
It's good that Russia will use the Balkhash radio-technical center, because Kazakhstan has a border with China, but what can we expect from our Chinese "friends"? Yes, and Kyrgyzstan's borders are also not locked ...