Military Review

Weapon Selection

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OFFICIAL PREAMBLE


9 April 2015, Lobaev Arms set a new world record the range of a single shot from a rifle (3400 / 3720 yards), previously owned by American rifle gunners (3290 meters / 3600 yards). The record was recorded by the crew of the channel Lifenews using simultaneous work of several cameras, as well as independent observers.

In the shooting world, the event was called a new victory of the national weaponsthat did not go unnoticed by the American audience, whose comments contained statements such as: “such records can only belong to America” and “such a record should be broken only by an American.” American gunsmiths and gunners, who consider themselves the undisputed leaders in ultra-long-range shooting, took the Russian record as a kind of challenge that demanded practical action from them.

30 June 2015, the Americans regained the record, on 75 meters, increasing the range, making a hit recorded on the video on 3800 yards / 3475 meters.

As a result, an informal confrontation in the field of ultra-long-range shooting between our countries began in this narrow, not only sports, but also applied field.

Design Bureau of Integrated Systems, operating under the brand Lobaev Arms and specializing in the creation of small-range and long-range small arms, assumed the mission of setting a record in response. Defending the prestige of the country and the domestic industry and raising it in the eyes of the world community and potential consumers to a new level, the KBIS actually acts as the engine of the industry in this matter.

STAGES OF THE GREAT PATH

We decided: if we put a notch at a new range, then we need to do it beautifully. And not just beautiful, but with feeling, really, with the arrangement.

It is possible without preparation, but the range is very serious. And you want to hit not with some 19-m shot, like the Americans (although this does not detract from their result - far away!), But as soon as possible. Well, at least almost immediately.

It is possible to leave on the old baggage, but in order to hit at distances far beyond the “three” it was sure that everything in the sniper system must be perfect in execution. Not scored innovative, but truly advanced.

BULLET

Our classic 408 solid 419 grand mass (D30), with which the previous record was set, 2-3 times the accuracy of Lost River and Jameson analogs on the market, and is quite sufficient for confident shooting at 2500 + meters. But in comparison with the tasks before us, these are children's ranges. To shoot for three, we need something heavier and much more aerodynamically efficient.

And we started this work ahead of time, so that by now, 408 has developed new types of bullets for ultra-long range shooting for the 4 cartridge, in addition to the ultra-long component hunting 2 and AR.

In the pictures below are fragments of tests for gyrostabilization and accuracy of 2-x of the developed types .408 bullets: 30 grams (463 gran) and 32 grams (494 gran), at a distance of 100 meters. Weapons: SVLC-14 test rifle Dusk with a special channel.

Weapon Selection


The test results were considered encouraging and 2-type bullets were transferred to the testing phase at 2km and more. Work with other types of bullets continues in accordance with the factory test program.

Also, in preparation for the record, we will experience two developed cartridges that have not yet been presented to the public. They are calculated to be superior to Cheytac in a number of characteristics, and, we hope, they will not increase the mass of weapons, or will increase them slightly.

RIFLE

Even with the firing of a new record, say, our classic 419 gran bullet, we still have weapons options. There are two main defendants: SVLC-14 Twilight and DXL-4 Sevastopol, both in the base in 408 Cheytac.

SVLC-14 Dusk - The flagship model, originally designed for firing at the ultimate range. From its customized version, the previous record is set to 3400 meters. The basic model in terms of performance is not inferior to the record version, even surpassing it in length of the trunk as standard.



DXL-4 Sevastopol - A new sniper rifle, with its portability demonstrating outstanding long-range quality. The positive experience of achieving stable grouping in high “threes” (0.300 + MOA) on DXL-3 assured us of the possibility of creating a large-caliber rifle so accurate as to be ultra-long.



The choice is interesting, because we ourselves have never before compared these two rifles side-by-side "far away." So that in the same wind conditions, but at the same range .... No. We urgently needed a comparative test. Well, at least a preliminary.

TESTS

No sooner said than done. And here at the site found a convenient place. We expected to find something on 2200, but the most convenient platform was waiting for us on 2165 meters.

Beta tester of both products made Andrey Ryabinsky, a person experienced in shooting "far away", and able to give not only technical expert opinion, but also an unbiased assessment of the characteristics of the two compared models.



The first was uncovered the main contender - Twilight. SVLC-14, crowned with the new Т-tuner Т6.2, was traditionally reliable at this range and the first made group became a better group of the day. Andrei bummed the best result known to us at a distance of two thousand - 43 cm, in other words, something about 0.6 MOA.

Opinion Andrew on the results:

“Shooting impressions are the most positive. With the new muzzle brake, recoil has become much more comfortable, resembling an ordinary magnum. This allows you to focus on more important things than the right application. "






The application was made serious. Targeted people were in light shock, watching the process of forming a group. In the firing position was heard restrained glee.



But it is time to print out Sevastopol, accustomed to beating the enemy on distant approaches. This DXL-4 was made in a single-shot version with a custom dual port (dual port) for ease of bookmarking from either side and ejecting to the right side. Of the accessories, the overseas monopod (“third leg”) Magpul can be noted. Both rifles were equipped with March tested sights and adjustable Reknagel brackets. Bipods used standard: Harris and Atlas. At the special Twilight, testing new bullets, adjustable Tsit-Cannon bipods were installed.



RESULTS


With all the difference in the layout and even in the concept of these models, only ballistics can be noted from the difference in shooting. At the sight of Sevastopol had to add exactly 10 minutes - the difference in the length of the trunks affected. Due to the lower speed and, consequently, lower BK, 2 MOA horizontal was added to the wind of the same force. Everything.

Otherwise, if we ignore the amendments introduced into the scope, it was absolutely comparable in terms of shooting efficiency.



Yes, the Twilight can set records not only in range, but also in accuracy, for which it was actually created, but at ranges up to 2200 meters both rifles showed generally similar indicators in terms of the probability of hitting the given envelope. Without any significant advantage of one of the models.



WHAT'S NEXT

To determine the practical DXL-4 limit in range, we will need to carry out a series of tests, the results of which will determine whether we can “overclock” it to a new record or have to resort to the proven Dusk.

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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 12 December 2015 07: 38 New
    +4
    Useful comparisons. Records can and should be set, only the main task is the practicality of using such weapons for their intended purpose and the feedback of direct users ...
  2. ImPerts
    ImPerts 12 December 2015 07: 58 New
    +4
    Records are good and pleasant, but what is the practical sense of working at such distances?
    Yes, we show a certain technological level, which allows us to do something no worse than that ... But practically what is it?
    Who will need to shoot at a distance of 3 kilometers?
    1. aktanir
      aktanir 12 December 2015 09: 15 New
      +4
      and that there are no enemies at such a distance?
    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 12 December 2015 09: 59 New
      +8
      Quote: ImPerts
      , and what is the practical meaning of working at such distances?

      Counter sniper fight.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 12 December 2015 10: 30 New
        +2
        Thanks for the answer, more or less acceptable.
        A UAV for this is not better?
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 12 December 2015 12: 30 New
          +2
          Quote: ImPerts
          A UAV for this is not better?

          In the city or green? belay Everything is decided by people in camouflage, and aviation and artillery are only for support. request
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 12 December 2015 14: 27 New
            +1
            And in the city and the green 3 km is not too much? And in a city it’s easier to bring down a building than to arrange a duel.
            That is, in any case, this is a demonstration of opportunities and a bit of counter-sniper fighting smile
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 12 December 2015 17: 35 New
              +2
              Quote: ImPerts
              And in a city it’s easier to bring down a building than to arrange a duel.

              If you know which one. There are thousands of them in the city. And counter-sniper shooting is not only in range, but also in lethal force. SVD will not take a brick wall, and OSV-96 or ASVK / KSVK is easy. At a distance of 1000 meters, the advantage is obvious. hi
          2. 4thParasinok
            4thParasinok 15 December 2015 12: 55 New
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            In the city or green? Everything is decided by people in camouflage, and aviation and artillery are only for support.

            but where in the cities, and even more so in greenback such ranges? Do you understand what you are writing about?
      2. Kalmar
        Kalmar 12 December 2015 23: 47 New
        +2
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Counter sniper fight.

        Unreal. In terms of benchrest (the target is stationary, the range is known, there is no opposition), you can still get into something from 2-3 kilometers. In real combat conditions, it is commonplace to detect a sniper from 2 kilometers only if he is a complete woodpecker. And if you already spotted, then the guided projectile of the same "Cornet" with thermobaric b / h will be much more reliable.
    3. Azitral
      Azitral 12 December 2015 10: 23 New
      +7
      What is the practical meaning? The fact that records of fifty years ago are becoming standards for first-rate students. So - in everything. At the notorious “Thousand Yards,” the current Twilight shooters will fall into any eye, of choice.
      I know this is a heavy rifle.
    4. albanian
      albanian 12 December 2015 10: 30 New
      +4
      Quote: ImPerts
      Records are good and pleasant, but what is the practical sense of working at such distances?
      Yes, we show a certain technological level, which allows us to do something no worse than that ... But practically what is it?
      Who will need to shoot at a distance of 3 kilometers?


      Accuracy is a scalable concept, if you keep within a meter at 3 kilometers, then you will not smear at a plate at 300 meters, for example, shoot a hand with a fuse correctly.
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    6. Victor Demchenko
      Victor Demchenko 12 December 2015 17: 27 New
      0
      Well guys, this is of course an interesting question. here on VO the news flashed, they killed Dremov. maybe you need to shoot someone from the junta? I think that the guys will hand over the rifle and without high pay? can be purely symbolic ...
  3. ewgen
    ewgen 12 December 2015 08: 33 New
    +3
    Here, it’s more likely not practicality of use, but a competition of technologies and capabilities in the production of high-precision small arms.
    1. igordok
      igordok 12 December 2015 09: 42 New
      +4
      As far as I understand. If we get to 3000, then to 2000 or 1000 - with a guarantee.
  4. MAXUZZZ
    MAXUZZZ 12 December 2015 08: 38 New
    +2
    Quote: ImPerts
    Who will need to shoot at a distance of 3 kilometers?

    Ultraprecise weapons for sabotage groups for particularly important purposes, not?
    1. AUL
      AUL 12 December 2015 12: 14 New
      +4
      It is difficult to imagine a sabotage group, which Dusk carries with it and a whole bunch of all kinds of stray for it ... And the cost of the device can not afford the sabotage group.
    2. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 December 2015 19: 22 New
      +3
      Quote: MAXUZZZ
      Ultraprecise weapons for sabotage groups for particularly important purposes, not?

      These are hit records, not stable shooting. Do you think that an especially important target will wait for you to shoot? request
  5. Termit1309
    Termit1309 12 December 2015 08: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: ImPerts
    But practically what is it?
    Who will need to shoot at a distance of 3 kilometers?

    Not very smart people can be shot.
    1. Azitral
      Azitral 12 December 2015 10: 27 New
      +4
      Every nation has its own sort of stupidity. One Jew (from Israel) revealed to me the secret of the stupidity of the Jews: they subconsciously believe that any Jew is not just stupid, but in general is an object manipulated by a Jew. Here on rare = then exceptions they burn, Rarely, but scary.
  6. gross kaput
    gross kaput 12 December 2015 11: 57 New
    +7
    All this is certainly cool and cool, but I didn’t see the most important thing - the dispersion diameter R100 for at least 10 shots at the declared range of 3400. Well, or if it’s different, the probability of hitting at least a growth figure at such a distance from the first shot. And there is a lot of water and bragging in the article, and practical information is zero point zero, although it should make an impression on people far from the rifleman - hurray was shot at 3,5 km and even hit somewhere!
    1. Massik
      Massik 12 December 2015 18: 14 New
      -1
      0.1-0.07 is no different.
      1. gross kaput
        gross kaput 14 December 2015 00: 47 New
        +1
        Yeah, this is if we take purely technical accuracy, and in a real situation, I think I will have to add another zero after the decimal point.
  7. gg.na
    gg.na 12 December 2015 13: 40 New
    -1
    Such rifles are useful in the army and will find their application! Those who serve directly as a sniper will probably find their application! wink
    1. Olfred
      Olfred 12 December 2015 14: 59 New
      +1
      only such a rifle will cost like a car
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 14 December 2015 00: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: gg.na
      Such rifles are useful in the army

      That's where they are definitely not needed and will never appear, this is purely a sport and nothing more.
  8. tracer
    tracer 12 December 2015 14: 26 New
    +7
    This is great news. Benchrest in Russia has tremendous prospects. For it is not "the land of Russia has become impoverished." Most readers are just interested, but to practicing shooters and specialists this article is like a balm for the soul. "Me," to the soul ..... Since in shooting sports for 30 years. And with a probability of approaching 100, I can imagine what exactly is behind this, at first glance, unremarkable article. To people who are not very versed in weapons, I want to say that these are not army rifles. This is a kind of "Formula 1" in shooting sports, a kind of endless absolute, a dream and the romance of the attainable. These “violins” can be played not only by good “musicians” but also by talented people from birth. Talented, this is when shooting becomes the main passion of life and even life itself. Well, it’s terribly good that Lobaev managed to assemble such a team. Athletes - shooters, military snipers will understand what I mean. Undoubtedly, technologies and practical developments in new calibers (this is generally prohibitive) will have a serious impact on military small arms. With rifles and precision, thank God is more or less clear. But when will the mass gun appear worthy of the legend of Stechkin, TT and PM? So far, all hope is only on PL 14, let's see.
    1. gross kaput
      gross kaput 14 December 2015 00: 16 New
      0
      Quote: tracer
      Talented, this is when shooting becomes the main passion of life and even life itself. Well, it's terribly good that Lobaev managed to assemble such a team

      Without a doubt, it’s great - it’s only that the HE has a very indirect relation to such topics - such articles are useful in specialized forums for long-range shooting fans, but not here. Although the logic of the Lobaev und company is understandable - once again it’s “free”, it will become public as a result, their name will be publicly known.
    2. gross kaput
      gross kaput 14 December 2015 00: 18 New
      +1
      Quote: tracer
      Undoubtedly, technologies and practical developments in new calibers (this is generally prohibitive) will have a serious impact on military small arms

      Would you deign to expand your thought? What did Lobaev make or discover that didn’t know before him, and what do you think can have a serious impact on the rifleman in general and on sniper weapons in particular?
    3. gross kaput
      gross kaput 14 December 2015 00: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: tracer
      But when will the mass gun appear worthy of the legend of Stechkin, TT and PM? So far, all hope is only on PL 14, let's see.

      Those. Any other problems with equipping the Russian army? The main thing is a new gun! belay
  9. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 12 December 2015 16: 50 New
    +4
    While this is shooting for the record. At the test site, in fairly comfortable conditions, there is a lack of resistance. stress, in good weather conditions, with the ability to make a sighting series, etc. But, most importantly, it all touched the future, when on the basis of the solutions found, a serial, sniper rifle will be constructed.
    Py.Sy. Above was a comment - why say, these records? Sports of the highest achievements are also records. The race in space is also a record. If you wish, the list can be continued and I think no one will doubt the practical application of the results.
  10. lexx2038
    lexx2038 12 December 2015 21: 15 New
    +3
    From today's records - our tomorrow's daily routine is born.
  11. Dam
    Dam 12 December 2015 21: 25 New
    +1
    Bravo Lobaev, the barrel was a success. Although it’s a very small series for now, the result is respectable
  12. Prutkov
    Prutkov 12 December 2015 22: 43 New
    +2
    In the Donbass, where heavy weapons of the type are retracted, such products can calm individual hot heads. Yes, and the counter-sniper fight is becoming a hot issue right now. The right products.
  13. tracer
    tracer 13 December 2015 04: 27 New
    -3
    Quote: CERHJ
    Admins, you wrote a lot here (the article was yesterday) about runners. Here is a typical example of not just runners. But also a false arrow. Draw your own conclusions.

    Hey smartass, are you so rude in the morning, or from a hangover? In addition to his pictures and pisyuna, was he considering something in life? So on a computer, "shoot"? Or proud that you know .408 caliber? Do you list shooting sports or will you find it yourself? "YOU" respected hamlo and ignoramus, and maybe just a woodpecker bird. And it’s not your clown to ridicule my posts.
  14. fitter71
    fitter71 29 March 2016 02: 13 New
    0
    the record is good. I remember flashing infa that the instant-29 or su-27 climb rate showed more than 300 m / s, the speed of sound was overcome by a "candle" (I'm not a pilot, in terminology I am not strong). is that - nobody needed? yes it was a test of the limits of possibilities and attainability of this in general! Today, most of yesterday’s records are the usual modes of operation of average pilots (I’m not talking about the examples I described above - I just don’t know and can’t confirm), but other records, modes of operation and maneuvers appear.
    same with this record. advertising? well yes. but there was a record. yes - did not last long. Well, men are working on the following. and this is not bad. or is it better for them to collapse everything nafig, cut pieces of iron and go to lay the asphalt? for some it would probably be better, especially those who couldn’t do that and shoot like that.
    so - who knows how - does. who does not know how - criticizes :))