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Why don't we learn history?

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Why don't we learn history?



Recently, quite often you can hear the hackneyed phrase "who does not know history, doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past. " But, unfortunately, the action does not develop further than this phrase. Many of us who studied, or began to study in the Soviet school, have patterns of those dogmas that were driven from childhood. Moreover, these dogmas have laid down on the fertile soil of love for all that is Western, free, and legal. And we listened with gusto and listened to the stories about our backward Mother Motherland, in which the Tsarist regime was at first, and then the Bolsheviks "bent down" their people, turning them into slaves in the service of this very regime. So now it is often possible to hear how, they say, today's regime finishes everything and everyone. However, let's still remember the story - it, such an infection, has the quality to repeat. And it’s not just easy to repeat, but to make mirror mirrors, from which people who know this story may have a feeling of deja vu, and in other cases a feeling of frustration.

So, now is the 21 century behind the window. 2015 year Let's ask ourselves, what was 100 years ago? Many may have heard the term "Big Game." This concept was introduced into a wide circulation by the famous English writer Rudyard Kipling, and it meant (as Wikipedia says) “geopolitical rivalry between the British and Russian empires for domination in South and Central Asia”. This very game lasted from 1812 year to 1917. Directly at the beginning of the 20 century, the main geographic zones of confrontation were: Tibet, Persia (now Iran) and Afghanistan. Nothing like? Many analysts and political scientists still believe that the Big Game did not end with the death of the Russian Empire, and the struggle for Central Asia and the Middle East continues within the framework of other states (USSR-Russian Federation and the USA), but the tasks are the same. And you need to be a fool to not understand that the West in the person of the United States and England is not interested in a strong Russia and will do everything possible to contain our country. Question: but why? The answer is resources and fear. It was the fear of the collective West before the growth of the Russian empire, in fact, led to the 1 World War I, to Russia being drawn into this war and creating the negative image of Nicholas II among the population. It was at this time in the country that pro-Western liberal movements began to be created, which now remind me so much of fiery revolutionaries from the modern belolentochnoy opposition.

So, what was it like in the Russian Empire that scared the advanced Europeans? Let's look at the following information: The beginning of the 20 century. Russia is among the five largest countries in terms of the economic development of the world: the USA, Germany, England, France, Russia. Russia occupies a place in the world 4 in terms of world industrial production, its share was 9%. The growth rate of the Russian economy over a long period 1890 - 1914. were the highest among all 5 leading industrial nations of the world. By 1917, 81 was built in thousandths of km of railways in Russia; over the last 37 years, more than 1880thousands of km was built from 1,5 in years. Even during the war years, Russian industry continued to grow (now mainly due to military production). After a slight decline in 1914, it was 1,3%, in 1915, the increase was 10,8%, and in 1916, 10,2%. Only in 1917, after the start of the revolution, there is a deep recession in the industry - 20,2%. As a result, it was only during the reign of Nicholas II that Russian industry quadrupled its productivity.

These are all numbers, but behind these numbers there was a terrible diagnosis for the Western world, which was voiced in 1913 by renowned economist Edward Terry: “if the affairs of European nations go from 1912 to 1950, go the same way as they did from 1900 to 1912, Russia will dominate Europe by the middle of this century, both politically and economically and financially. ” It is from this diagnosis of fear. The fear of the European elite that the Russian barbarians (many of whom spoke several languages, read European thinkers) will press them under themselves, establish their fullest right over them. They thought in the criteria of their assessments, that is, they were afraid of what they themselves would have done with Russia, give them free rein. And this opportunity was presented to them after several years of unrest and upheavals within the country, when the Russian intelligentsia with such joy and fervor picked up the banner of the struggle against tsarism, and then with less pathos, but with more pain sat on the last steamers from Russia.

Speaking of intellectuals. So I want to ask a question to all those who are waiting for the arrival of freedoms with the departure of Putin. You guys have not been taught the story? Read Bunin, Bulgakov. After all, there are the same as you - supporters of progress and freedoms - believed in one thing, but received another. Never in our history after revolutions it became better. It only got worse! Smoot has always been beneficial to our enemies. And why are there still people - smart, educated - who believe that the next revolution will bring us, finally, freedom, equality and fraternity. The two revolutions of the 20 century — in 1917 and 1991 — did not bring us anything except devastation, loss of territories, falling living standards, increasing mortality and lower birth rates. But in fact, the worst thing that happened after the revolution was the loss of sovereignty. And so let's go back to the period when we fully experienced the "love" of the West.

In the period from 1918 to 1921, military intervention was carried out in Russia, in which a total of 14 countries participated. The main beneficiaries are the British Empire, the USA, France and Japan. Of course, they were joined by Poles, Germans, Turks, Austrians, Canadians, Australians. The main transport hubs of the North, Siberia, and the Far East were taken under control. And they were taken forcibly, using military units. Interesting here are the comments of American politicians of that era. So the Republican senator from Washington state Miles Poindexter, calling for intervention, said that “Russia is just a geographical concept, and the more it will never be. Her power of rallying, organizing and recovering is gone forever. A nation does not exist ... ". Isn't it very similar to the words of another senator from today's time - “Russia is a country of a gas station”? Or maybe even closer to this is the maxim of Barack Obama about the torn to shred economy.

History, as I have already said, constantly makes mirrored somersault and causes a feeling of deja vu. But back to the intervention. There are cases of military clashes between Americans and Russians. I think that no one has the illusion that these "good-natured" inhabitants of the enlightened Western world came to Russia to help restore order. Of course not. The main goal is money, resources. Something similar, I believe, happened already in the 90s, when we gave up our fields and factories for the "beads", killed the military-industrial complex and the agro-industrial complex. So why is there still a lot of people in our country who believe in friendship with the West? Why do these people crave for the collapse of Russia? As I noted earlier, these are educated, wealthy citizens who have sufficient mental capacity to analyze historical events and superimpose them on modern reality. And here I would like to return to the fears of the West before Russia. Namely, to the fear that is now manifesting itself more and more and more and more prominently bulging against the background of modern communication capabilities. This fear is called Truth.

Let's go back to 100-150 years ago. What do we know about serfdom and the life of workers and peasants in Tsarist Russia? Yes, in fact, nothing. For more than seventy years, the Soviet government proved to us that it was only in 17 that workers and peasants received the very freedom, land and factories, which the workers and peasants themselves didn’t ask for. Why do I think they did not ask for it? Yes, everything is simple: because they have all this already! Here is one example in numbers: “for 1905, landowners owned only 53 million tithes, and 42 million tithes for the landowners sold to the peasants (26 million) and merchants (16 million) for this period. In addition to the purchased land, all peasants (former state, palace and landowners) and Cossacks had 139 million tithes of allotment lands. Thus, for 1905, taking into account the land purchased from the peasants and Cossacks, there was 165 million tithes of land against 53 million tithes from the landlords, but, in addition, a significant part of the noble land was leased by the peasants. ” So what lands did the Bolsheviks talk to the peasants?

We turn to the workers. In 1897, the law prohibited work for more than 11,5 hours a day, and on Saturdays, pre-holidays and night shifts for more than 10 hours. At this time, in most European countries there were no legal restrictions on the time of male labor. The 1903 Act placed on entrepreneurs responsibility for accidents involving workers in production. Mother dear! 110 years ago our legislation was at today's level! Moreover, the US President Taft publicly stated that Nicholas II "created such perfect labor legislation as no democratic state can boast of."

And the person who in our perception is associated with the very revolutionary ideas of Marxism - G.V. Plekhanov - recalled the workers of St. Petersburg of the second half of the XIX century - “the whole environment was notable for its considerable mental development and high level of its everyday needs. I was surprised to see that these workers live in no worse way, and many of them are even much better than students. On average, each of them earned from 1 rubles. 25 cop up to 2 rub. in a day". But then Plekhanov. But how do you quote the future head of the Soviet state N.S. Khrushchev: “... working as a simple mechanic, I earned 45 rubles. at black bread prices in 2 cop., on white - 4 pennies, pound of fat - 22 cop., the egg was worth a penny, boots, the best "Skorokhodovskie" - 7 rubles. What is there to compare. When I led the party work in Moscow, I didn’t have half of it, although I had a fairly high place. ”

Or here’s an example from the same site: “In 1875, capitalist S.I. Maltsev created a partnership with a capital of 6 million rubles, in which workers and employees were given profit sharing. An eight-hour working day was set at difficult jobs. The workers were built stone houses on 3 - 4 rooms, with a large plot for the garden and vegetable garden. Schools, vocational schools, and hospitals were also built. The workers' wages were already then 170 rubles per year. Maltsev factories were not an isolated example. " What is it like? BUT? It reminds me very much of socialism in the Scandinavian countries.

When Western companies now give you various social benefits and say that they care about you, do not forget to ask yourself why they consider this their achievement, if 140 years ago it was normal in our country? And I would like this question to be asked by all those couch revolutionaries who vilify the current government. It is you - the ideological descendants of the Westernizers and liberals of the beginning of the 20 century - with their revolutions, which no one asks, with your active minority power over the working majority threw us back to 100 years ago. It is thanks to you that which used to be the norm, has now become an achievement!

And now I personally ask myself the question of how, and if Tsarist Russia of the beginning of 20 of the 20th century was not that powerful colossus, which with its achievements both in the legal and in the industrial and economic parts, irritated the Western world so much, setting an example of construction alternative system? So now, the same Truth is very much beginning to discord with the reality drawn by Hollywood and under the control of transnational media corporations. And it beats the image of the West. And from here hysterics, from here confused faces and incomprehensible excuses. You know, it’s even psychologically easier to call a spade a spade. And when we say that “Erdogan is a scumbag”, we do not distort the soul, because we know that he is a scumbag, and the whole world knows this. But it turns out some kind of distorted reality, in which the one who calls himself free, the West cannot speak the truth, and the “totalitarian” Russia - it can, and speaks! And people in different parts of the world feel this. They understand that the society of beautiful smiles, but empty souls, loses to society, let them frown, but with cheerful cheerful eyes. And it infuriates the collective West. They can't hold back the truth that 100 held back years ago.

In the end I would like to express this thought. We do not know the history of our country. By history, I do not mean military achievements and geopolitical successes, but the lives of ordinary people. After all, it's interesting. Therefore, I very much hope that we will begin to appreciate our history and analyze it. We finally learn through history to avoid mistakes in the future. But for now, of course, we have problems with it. Only one thing pleases, the West also badly teaches history, and first of all, the history of receiving magic pendels from the Russian army.
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  1. shadow
    shadow 8 December 2015 06: 02 New
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    And who are the teachers?
    1. nemec55
      nemec55 8 December 2015 06: 09 New
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      And who are the teachers?

      This is the essence of the teacher of Europe and others like them. As the feathers grow back a little, they are preparing a new campaign. You can probably solve the problem in one way once and for all, act like Americans horsing on Herosima and Nagasaki and friends forever.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 11: 26 New
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        One only pleases West also teaches history poorly, and first of all, the story of receiving magic pendels from the Russian army.

        The West (or rather the United States) teaches and remembers history very well. Unfortunately. And the United States knows that in the first place it is impossible to allow the rapprochement of the interests of Germany and Russia. To prevent such a rapprochement, the First World War was first invented. Then the second. And today, Ukraine and sanctions were invented. And believe me, much more will be invented in order to prevent the unity of the European space with Russia. P.t. if that happens, the US will become an unnecessary figure.

        Further that needs to be considered. The USA is a country on the territory of which there has been no war for 200 years. And which is located beyond two oceans, while having two land borders.

        the story of receiving magic pendels from the Russian army.

        Here I have to disagree. Why.
        The Second World War - a retreat to Moscow, and balancing on the brink - does not fall under the concept of a magic pendal, but rather is associated with the titanic efforts of the Soviet people. Heroic efforts.
        World War I - there are no "pendals" here at all.

        As for the fall of the Russian Empire, in my opinion, the starting point of its disappearance was an event that left a huge moral negative mark on the power of the state as a whole - the Russo-Japanese War.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 8 December 2015 14: 23 New
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          Quote: _Vladislav_
          As for the fall of the Russian Empire, in my opinion, the starting point of its disappearance was an event that left a huge moral negative mark on the power of the state as a whole - the Russo-Japanese War.

          Let me disagree with you. Firstly, the Russian Empire did not disappear; the social system changed in it. The USSR collapsed, the people were separated, the same bourgeoisie came to power as in February 1917. The state is now different, but the people inhabiting Russia are still the same. We have not gone anywhere, as we have lived on our land for millennia, and so we live. And the fact that evil rules on it is a matter of time. I hope that everyone will understand this soon. And those who rule, and those who rule.
          As for the Russo-Japanese War, I would not be so dramatic. She did not have any trace on the power of our state. Infrastructure was not yet established in the Far Eastern region, there was no railway, and a revolutionary situation was brewing in the country. The defenders of Port Arthur showed the whole world that even one Russian port can fight back the whole Japanese fleet, and even supported in every way by the West. Western propaganda fanned this local defeat when the Russian government was forced to agree to Japan’s next request for peace, as a shameful defeat in the war. When all the main military forces of the country were diverted to the revolution and almost one Port Arthur fought. And he would resist further, to the approach of help, but, as often happened in our history, there was a traitor:
          "20 December 1904 (2 January 1905) of the year, after the death of General R.I. Kondratenko, the fortress was surrendered to the Japanese on the 329 day after the outbreak of the war by General Stessel against the decision of the Military Council and the desire of the soldiers defending the fortress." - Quote from Wikipedia.
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 14: 37 New
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            Quote: Svetlana
            As for the Russo-Japanese War, I would not be so dramatic

            Eneeee. As a result of defeats in this war from the beginning of January 1905, a revolutionary situation arose and developed in Russia. The war ended with the Portsmouth Peace, signed in 1905 and fixing Russia’s concession to Japan of southern Sakhalin and its rental rights to the Liaodong Peninsula and the South Manchurian Railway.

            Quote: Svetlana
            Let me disagree with you. Firstly, the Russian Empire did not disappear; the social system changed in it.

            Disappeared. The monarchy is no more. The traditional way of life in the country was destroyed as a result of a coup and a change in the state-legal formation. Everything has changed.

            Any revolution bears within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and a rising empire will fall sooner or later (not I said). This cast the country back to 20 years ago in its development. Then the war is another 20 years. And actually the collapse of the Soviet system in 1991 - another 10 years minus.

            So the United States became the greatest power on the planet.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 8 December 2015 16: 22 New
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              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Eneeee. As a result of defeats in this war since the beginning of January of the 1905 year, a revolutionary situation arose and developed in Russia.

              The sources of the revolutionary events of the beginning of the 20 century should be sought in the 1861 year, when serfdom was abolished in Russia, accompanied by the robbery of the peasants and the loss of their centuries-old faith in the “good tsar-intercessor”. Of course, this war with Japan could become a catalyst, and, perhaps, to some extent, but it is a mistake to consider this war the cause of the revolutionary situation in Russia. It would have arisen without this war.
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              Any revolution bears within itself the seeds of its own destruction, and a rising empire will fall sooner or later (not I said). This cast the country back to 20 years ago in its development. Then the war is another 20 years. And actually the collapse of the Soviet system in 1991 - another 10 years minus.

              At all times, mankind has tried to find a path of development in which it will be possible to respect the rights of each person, and not just a handful of the ruling elite and its close ones. In our historical time, such a path was begun in the USSR, much has been done on this path, despite the time and effort spent to eliminate the consequences of wars and the devastation after them. The revolution of the 1917 of the year and the subsequent civil war threw our country not even 20 years ago, but rather, 200 years ago, since everything was destroyed and plundered, but the people, inspired by the dream of a bright future in an equal society, made almost unthinkable even in our present with you - no country in the world before us could make such a leap forward in its economic, military and cultural development. We caught up with the advanced Western countries, in many areas we even overtook. If we were to move on at such a pace, then neither America nor Europe would ever have any advantages. Despite the devastating consequences of the civil and Great Patriotic Wars, the USSR in 1952 year had an impact on 80% of the world. When the USA and Europe were shaking from the crises of the 30's, we carried out ambitious economic projects. The most terrible treacherous blow under the breath for the USSR was the Khrushchev’s “thaw,” which impeded economic development, curtailed major projects, began to reduce the army, launched a rotten Western influence on youth, and prepared fertile ground for Gorbachev’s perestroika.
              From the book of G. Sidorov "The Secret Project of the Leader or Neo-Stalinism":
              "After the death of I.V. Stalin, the party and the country, with the help of combinations of Western special services and the internal" fifth column ", were led by the hidden Trotskyist N. Khrushchev, who began the first perestroika, the actual demolition of the country and the people's consciousness in all directions. people infected with the idea of ​​consumerism, parasitic attackers, who, as AM Gorky said, only know how to “take to eat and eat to take.” At the same time, the safety factor for the Russian state was such that 60 years after the death of I.V. "Alina cannot completely destroy the West together with his minions in the person of the current managerial elite."
    2. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 8 December 2015 06: 27 New
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      Quote: Shadows
      And who are the teachers?

      - Our “teachers” are Ukrainian ignoramuses of history who have galloped their country to a complete decline. Not knowing what their grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought for. They are also Gaidar liberals, from whom thousands of Russians drank too much and died of hopelessness. "Teachers" are also American senior officials who sacredly believe that there is too much of such a rich huge country as Russia for one people. And the author of the article is right that we should know the history of OUR Russia perfectly, in order to always put such "teachers" (like Michael Bohm) in the stall.
    3. max702
      max702 8 December 2015 12: 23 New
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      Mendeleev said at the current pace of development in Russia by 1950 there will be 500 million people. This was what the Western countries were afraid of, it would be IMPOSSIBLE to compete with such a country! Hence all the revolutions and everything, now the same thing, we can show everyone the other way of the development of civilization. and this scares the whole bunch of Western "elite" and therefore they will do everything to destroy our country .. We are the absolute antipodes, and sooner or later there will be only one, or no one at all! From this point of view, one needs to consider this confrontation, everything is much more global, and not be distracted by tactical little things like “This is sanction for us to Crimea ..” or “Assad must leave”, as the article correctly says all stages of the “Big Game”. .
      1. atalef
        atalef 8 December 2015 13: 50 New
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        Quote: max702
        Mendeleev said at the current pace of development in Russia, by 1950, 500 million people would live.

        and no matter what happens, he invented the perfect vodka recipe
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 8 December 2015 14: 17 New
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          It is counted.
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    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 December 2015 06: 17 New
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      Quote: apro
      Author anti-Soviet means Russophobe

      Here it is not necessary, the Soviet government did a lot of the same thing.
      1. apro
        apro 8 December 2015 06: 35 New
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        For example, universal secondary education or universal medical care for the population, or brought Russia to the second country in the world, sing about the Gulag and repressions and the deficit, but now from the crime and anti-people’s government policies the losses are comparable to those in the Great Patriotic War and Russia is sitting on the shot. time for the country did more than all the kings and democrats with the liberals.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 December 2015 06: 46 New
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          Quote: apro
          For example
          The perestroika of the 90s also left the USSR.
          And all the achievements began when almost the entire “Leninist guard” was eliminated as a result of the purges, so that the achievements of the USSR were not the merit of the revolutionaries, but those who replaced them, it was no coincidence that Stalin was often accused of betraying the ideals of the revolution.
          And by the way, in the article both the collapse of both RI and the USSR are put on the same board:
          Two revolutions of the 20th century - in 1917 and 1991 - brought us nothing but devastation, loss of territories, falling living standards, increasing mortality and lowering the birth rate. But in fact, the worst thing that happened after the revolution is the loss of sovereignty.
          As well as stories about the Gulag and repression:
          And we enthusiastically listened and listened to stories about our backward Mother Motherland, in which at first the tsarist regime, and then the Bolsheviks “bent” their people, turning them into slaves in the service of this very regime.
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 8 December 2015 11: 59 New
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            Quote: apro
            The Soviet people did more for the country than all the kings and democrats with liberals.

            Now count how long the Soviet system lasted, from the revolution to the moment when the liberal / Western / American system took and broke gender, knee-deep, your vaunted Soviet ideology and good life (it took 70 years).

            And count how many Tsars and Emperors ruled in Russia. And how many things were conquered and cultivated during their reign. The same Crimea, the brainchild of the military achievements of the Russian Empire, and they miscreated it precisely in Soviet times by the swineherd Khrushchev.

            PS
            And according to this, tramping on the monarchical history of Russia is worthless. Since, what no is your story. The same applies to the Soviet era (I agree). But excessively elevating Soviet history to absolute, underestimating the successes and achievements of monarchist time is incorrect and incorrect.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 23 New
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          Quote: apro
          or brought Russia to the second country in the world

          Only militarily, and economically, normal things could be bought either by pull, or at a flea market.
          Well, there were two types of kefir — Today’s and yesterday’s laughing
          1. larand
            larand 8 December 2015 08: 08 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            Well, there were two types of kefir — Today’s and yesterday’s laughing

            So it was kefir, and not the current sweet slops in a beautiful jar.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 08: 09 New
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              Quote: larand
              So it was kefir, and not the current sweet slops in a beautiful jar.

              So do not drink slop, buy a good kefir. There is a choice hi
              1. Shepard
                Shepard 8 December 2015 09: 17 New
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                I came to the USSR and took kefir, and now you’re not going to the store, but to the library.
                What is the right choice, to poison / not to poison.
                Likely the state should establish some norms, or it’s a bit too much freedom, like: “I made a dubious white liquid, wrote in small print on a sealed seam, like washing my hands, I warned”
                So let them write on the packaging in large letters "White liquid to taste like kefir guarantees the birth of green children in the third generation"
                1. atalef
                  atalef 8 December 2015 13: 53 New
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                  Quote: Shepard
                  I came to the USSR and took kefir, but now you’re not going to the store, but to the library

                  belay

                  Quote: Shepard
                  Likely the state should establish some norms, otherwise it’s too much freedom

                  that's for sure, one kefir - here it is happiness
                  Quote: Shepard
                  So let them write on the packaging in large letters "White liquid to taste like kefir guarantees the birth of green children in the third generation

                  Polite green men laughing
              2. Alf
                Alf 8 December 2015 21: 18 New
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                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                So do not drink slop, buy a good kefir. There is a choice

                The whole selection consists of different packages, but the same contents.
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            3. ANTI.KORR.
              ANTI.KORR. 8 December 2015 13: 42 New
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              Quote: larand
              So it was kefir, and not the current sweet slops in a beautiful jar.

              I agree!
              And also for children under 3 years old there were baby food complexes in which it was absolutely FREE to get baby food and wonderful high-quality baby kefir!
              And children's things and children's furniture made of natural materials cost perfect pennies.
              Here, for example, the price of a highchair, if you will not see it in the photo, the price is 1p.90kop.
              photo did not pass ...., I have to believe a word repeat
          2. andj61
            andj61 8 December 2015 08: 32 New
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            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: apro
            or brought Russia to the second country in the world

            Only militarily, and economically, normal things could be bought either by pull, or at a flea market.
            Well, there were two types of kefir — Today’s and yesterday’s laughing

            Even American Soviet scientists confidently put the USSR in second place in the world in economic development. And about kefir - indeed, the choice was not enough. In Moscow there was ordinary, in bottles with wide necks with a foil lid, fruit and ordinary in tetrapacks (produced from the mid-70s), as well as in bottles of yogurt, fermented baked milk and jam. Mozhaiskoye milk is sterilized, ordinary in bottles, bags, tetrapacks and triangular bags, draft. In Bryansk - everything is the same, but without tetrapacks. Compared to today - there is not much difference. There were no yoghurts and delicious cottage cheese cheeses like Dannissimo. But the cottage cheese vanilla cheese with dried apricots, raisins, curd in packs and by weight - were. And there was a lot of delicious processed cheeses - now they are not so popular. And everything was natural, without preservatives, and much tastier than now. Such oils and sour cream, as then - are now simply not for sale.
            1. Svetlana
              Svetlana 8 December 2015 10: 19 New
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              Quote: andj61
              There were no yoghurts and delicious cottage cheese cheeses like Dannissimo.

              There was cream cheese - a sweet curd mass, like sour cream by consistency. Sold in boxes, like packaged sour cream. It cost, it seems, 25 cents. Who remembers? It was tastier "Danissimo type", only without fruit additives. Glazed curds - in general there was an overeating. What can I talk about - the products were made for the people, and not for profit in their pockets.
            2. ruskih
              ruskih 8 December 2015 10: 27 New
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              Agree. And for Sasha I want to add. In Arkhangelsk there was also sweet kefir, called "Snowball". The cost of kefir is 11 kopecks. + 15 kopecks. Glass bottle. You hand over a bottle to the store and you can buy cream ice cream with this money. And what kind of oil was Vologda. It is sad that this is now also a story.
              1. STALK1974
                STALK1974 8 December 2015 11: 56 New
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                Now Vologda oil is produced at the Molochensk Experimental Plant and the Tarnogo Butter Plant in the Vologda Region .. Tarnogskoe is better. Try it very tasty, and only a natural product!
                1. ruskih
                  ruskih 8 December 2015 12: 47 New
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                  Thanks for the info. But here they do not sell it to us.
                  1. Svetlana
                    Svetlana 8 December 2015 13: 26 New
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                    Quote: ruskih
                    Thanks for the info. But here they do not sell it to us.

                    Belarusian products are close to Soviet ones in quality. And bread with the taste of bread, not foam. And milk with milk flavor. And the grandmother’s sausage is delicious. To get back to the USSR, you can go to Belarus.
                    1. CONTROL
                      CONTROL 8 December 2015 14: 21 New
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                      Quote: Svetlana
                      bread with the taste of bread, not foam.

                      ... it's on Turkish "fast yeast" - powdered ...
            3. corn
              corn 8 December 2015 21: 36 New
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              Quote: andj61
              Such oils and sour cream, as then - are now simply not for sale.

              In 1984, my mother-in-law came to me from Belaya Kalitva Rost. reg. to the glorious city of Leningrad and tried sour cream there. After that, she asked the question: “Why does sour cream look like sour cream in Leningrad, and something liquid and sour in Belaya Kalitva.” I don’t want to describe the rest. I traveled a lot around the country and saw a lot of things.
              The request of Muscovites and Leningrad residents not to worry.
              It is simply a property of the human psyche to forget everything bad.
          3. Spnsr
            Spnsr 8 December 2015 12: 41 New
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, there were two types of kefir — Today’s and yesterday’s laughing

            You admire me Romanov! of course you excuse me, generously, of course, for familiarity, your surname is bright! But how much kefir should be? four probably?
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, there were two types of kefir — Today’s and yesterday’s laughing

            and two more, from yesterday’s milk and the day before yesterday? laughing
        3. hydrox
          hydrox 8 December 2015 07: 51 New
          +6
          Quote: apro
          The Soviet people did more for the country than all the kings and democrats with liberals.


          Just don’t drag democrats and liberals here: they just didn’t do anything good for Russia then, and now they are thrown into the arms of any Russian community that rushes to Russia from behind a hill.
        4. AK64
          AK64 8 December 2015 10: 27 New
          -3
          I understand that you will not believe it, but for example, universal primary education in the Republic of Ingushetia was to be introduced in 1922. The war and the revolution prevented this, as a result of which the draftees in the 25th were ... completely illiterate. So I had to "eliminate illiteracy" in 1927-8, that is, LATER (!)

          How the public health system worked in the Republic of Ingushetia, if you wanted, you could have a look at the cycle of short stories "notes of a young doctor" by Bulgakov. The Bolsheviks destroyed this too: a similar organizational structure appeared in the USSR only in the late 50s.

          In general, you should not slander your own ancestors, it is ugly.
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 8 December 2015 10: 39 New
            -2
            How the public health system worked in the Republic of Ingushetia, if you wanted, you could have a look at the cycle of short stories "notes of a young doctor" Bulgakov.
            A storybook, this is a work of art. Do you think the Americans developed their "lunar program" according to Jules Verne?
          2. Alf
            Alf 8 December 2015 21: 26 New
            +2
            Quote: AK64
            How the public health system worked in the Republic of Ingushetia, if you wanted, you could have a look at the cycle of short stories "notes of a young doctor" by Bulgakov. The Bolsheviks destroyed this too: a similar organizational structure appeared in the USSR only in the late 50s.

            The quality index of a health system is the mortality rate of a population, in particular, a child.
            Do you think this author is exaggerating? Then read another source - N.A. Rubakin “Russia in Figures” (St. Petersburg, 1912 edition):
            “... in 1905 of every 1000 of both sexes who died in the 50 provinces of European Russia, there were 5 deceased children under 606,5 years of age, i.e. almost two thirds (!!!). Of each 1000 deceased, men accounted for children under 5 years of 625,9 in the same year, of each 1000 of deceased women - for girls up to 5 years - 585,4. In other words, in Russia every year a huge percentage of children dying who are not even 5 years old die, a terrible fact that cannot but make us think about the difficult conditions the Russian population lives if such a significant percentage of the dead for children under 5 years. "
            Please note that in the quotations I have quoted, this is not about the deaf and dark years of serfdom and the complete lack of rights of the peasantry of tsarist Russia, but about the beginning of the 20th century! Speaking about this time, amateurs and admirers of tsarism love to prove that the empire was “on the rise”: the economy was growing, the welfare of the people too, the level of education and medical services was rising.

            And judging by the stories is the same as learning the history of the Civil War from jokes about Chapaev and Petka.
      2. andj61
        andj61 8 December 2015 08: 20 New
        12
        Quote: Dart2027
        Quote: apro
        Author anti-Soviet means Russophobe

        Here it is not necessary, the Soviet government did a lot of the same thing.

        That's just the point - with the change of power in us everything that was, they begin to smear with black paint. But the author also has a problem with numbers - he cites the numbers of land belonging to peasants and Cossacks. But the Cossacks - right in the words of one of the heroes of "Quiet Don" - "the earth, at least flood!" The peasants also have unevenness in the regions. In the central part of Russia, a family accounted for about half a hectare of land — 50 hectares. So they lived half-starving, but without fertilizers, without crop rotation, without normal seeds and scientific methods of cultivating the land. Moreover, the land is redistributed every year within the community. Thus, no one will even fertilize the earth from under the cow and horse: next year it will leave for another.
        And in the eastern regions of the earth was full, only extremely few people moved.
        Under the Soviet regime, the main merit is universal literacy plus medicine - by the age of 40, at least in the regional centers there were polyclinics and hospitals, and specialists were trained in large numbers. But during the construction of the army had to sacrifice - and in many ways it was the well-being of the people. Was it justified? Of course yes! and the victory in the Great Patriotic War, as well as the USSR’s entry into second place in the world both in terms of economy and the first second in terms of military force, says a lot.
        I consider that it is necessary to know the history of my country. And one should not sweeping blackly the period of tsarism or the Soviet period.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 8 December 2015 13: 46 New
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          But the author also has a problem with numbers - he cites the numbers of land belonging to peasants and Cossacks. But the Cossacks - right in the words of one of the heroes of "Quiet Don" - "the earth, at least flood!" The peasants also have unevenness in the regions. In the central part of Russia, a family accounted for about half a hectare of land — 50 hectares. So they lived half-starving, but without fertilizers, without crop rotation, without normal seeds and scientific methods of cultivating the land. Moreover, the land was redistributed every year within the community. Thus, no one will even fertilize the earth from under the cow and horse: next year it will leave for another.

          ... And the lease of land from the owner-landowner? How much is a hectare? ...
          That's where they came from: fists, middle peasants and poor! and not from "one working, and the other a loafer and drinking vodka ..."; as usual - the initial accumulation of capital (robbed a small merchandise on the river or on the "highway", or else it became rich - here it is "starting capital"! The usual thing ...) allowed to rent land, and keep the farm with tools, devices and even mechanisms (mill ...), and with fertilizers and hired labor (laborers ...).!
          ... Not "from the ceiling" the peasants of the kulaks did not like it so much! as shown by the 17th and subsequent years ...
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 8 December 2015 14: 21 New
            0
            "I will report for every million, except the first ..." (c) Rockefeller.
            It seems so?!
      3. wasjasibirjac
        wasjasibirjac 8 December 2015 08: 23 New
        +9
        heaped up. I agree. only if everything was so magnificent in the Russian Empire as the author painted, the peasantry would not have rushed to rob the landowners so eagerly, the workers would not have organized strikes and strikes. and even the Soviet government itself could not have been born. all these "fiery" revolutionaries are not worth a penny, if they are not supported by a significant part of the people.
        1. Alexl
          Alexl 8 December 2015 09: 33 New
          -4
          Well, right, the cattle and crime the Bolsheviks gave freedom so they began to rob.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 8 December 2015 14: 29 New
            0
            Are you sure?
            Or did it start on February 1917? And when did the Bolsheviks really begin to rule? And where were the Social Revolutionaries?
        2. Hort
          Hort 8 December 2015 10: 53 New
          +2
          Let's not forget that both then and now are an example: Ukraine - the crowd was effectively managed and set up in the right direction. That's why they rushed. But basically, who, if you take the peasants? Goblet, which happily dispossessed of the wealthy, and then the middle peasants. Moreover, they dispossessed in such a way that later they had to be driven into collective farms in order to restore agriculture, so that the people in the cities did not die of hunger completely.
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 December 2015 08: 28 New
        +6
        the Soviet government did a lot of the same thing.
        But the current one has turned everything around. By the way, the same SU-24 is a Soviet development. And tell me how many libraries were open during Putin's time, hospitals, institutes? Of the recent achievements, an increase in the retirement age, and how many more similar surprises are ahead?
        1. Banshee
          Banshee 8 December 2015 09: 27 New
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          And tell me how many libraries are open during Putin's time, hospitals, institutes?


          Institutions at the EBN were so open that they are now closing.

          And for the libraries I’ll say: in my area for 5, 2 has opened. Free The choice may not be a fountain, but you can often take and read what costs 500 rubles in a store. I use.
          1. Svetlana
            Svetlana 8 December 2015 13: 38 New
            +2
            Quote: Banshee
            Institutions at the EBN were so open that they are now closing.

            These are not institutions. These are parodies. Soviet education was the best in the world. And who is leaving the ebns institutes? Fools? What did they create or invent? Nothing. And how much was created in the USSR? Almost all modern technologies are based on the discoveries and developments of Soviet scientists and engineers.
          2. Alf
            Alf 8 December 2015 21: 32 New
            +3
            Quote: Banshee
            There were so many institutes under EBN

            And what are these institutions? List them. I do not mean the names, but their profile. And their profile is the same - business, commerce, trade. I.e., buy and sell. And how many scientific institutes were opened? Something never comes to mind.
        2. Alexl
          Alexl 8 December 2015 09: 34 New
          -2
          And how many of them had to be opened?
    2. fa2998
      fa2998 8 December 2015 06: 42 New
      +4
      Why is the anti-Soviet immediately Russophobe! Do not like the Bolshevik communists, do not like the advice, then do not like the Motherland and the Russians? What kind of analogy. You tell me about the Russian immigrants who brought up their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to love Russia for a century, and are now getting citizenship -and are immensely pleased. It looks like 58 article anti-Soviet is crying for me. hi
      1. apro
        apro 8 December 2015 06: 53 New
        +5
        I love my homeland, but with a country of love, such as Mr. Krasnov or Semenov, Mr. Posner, and how Vlasov loved mother Russia under the wing of a German eagle. For a claw, the motherland is all the people with its shortcomings and advantages, and for others, the account is in a bank, a birthday girl with a courtyard and slaves .
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 25 New
          +2
          Quote: apro
          birthday girl with a courtyard and slaves.

          Learn history, there have never been slaves in Russia!
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 07: 42 New
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Learn history, there have never been slaves in Russia!

            Serfdom abolished in 1861 does not resemble this?
            Here you have a grandmother and St. George’s Day .. wink
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 52 New
              -3
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Serfdom abolished in 1861 does not resemble this?

              What is serfdom wink
              This is a slave
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              2. afdjhbn67
                afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 08: 39 New
                +2
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                This is a slave

                Look wider, do not think in cliches .. laughing
          2. larand
            larand 8 December 2015 08: 10 New
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov

            Learn history, there have never been slaves in Russia!


            And when serfs were losing cards, they were exchanged for greyhounds - this is not slavery.
            1. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 08: 38 New
              +2
              Quote: larand
              And when serfs were losing cards, they were exchanged for greyhounds - this is not slavery.

              They are not blacks - that means without analogies .. laughing
            2. Alexl
              Alexl 8 December 2015 09: 36 New
              +2
              And when the collective farmers were not given a passport and paid by workdays, is this not slavery?
              1. Alf
                Alf 8 December 2015 21: 42 New
                +2
                Quote: AleksL
                And when the collective farmers were not given a passport and paid by workdays, is this not slavery?

                If there were slavery on the collective farms, but there would be no benefit to the state to introduce other forms of farming on the earth, but for some reason there were also state farms.
                State Farm (short for Soviet economy) is a state agricultural enterprise in the USSR. Unlike collective farms, which were cooperative associations of peasants created at the expense of the peasants themselves, the state farm was a state enterprise. Workers on state farms were wage earners who received a fixed wage in cash.

                Dynamics of state farm construction until 1928 Indicators 1922 1923 1924 1925 1926 1927 1928
                Number of state farms 4316 5227 5199 4494 3477 4250 5000
                Land area (thousand ha) 3324 3385 2593 2510 2316 3347 3600
          3. atalef
            atalef 8 December 2015 14: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: apro
            birthday girl with a courtyard and slaves.

            Learn history, there have never been slaves in Russia!

            Sanya !!
            Lenin also spoke
            We are not slaves - we are not slaves!
            By this he clearly pointed to the West.
          4. Alf
            Alf 8 December 2015 21: 37 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Learn history, there have never been slaves in Russia!

            Semantics. How did the position of slaves in Russia differ from the position of slaves or "white slaves"?
            1. ANTI.KORR.
              ANTI.KORR. 8 December 2015 21: 41 New
              +3
              Quote: Alf
              How did the position of slaves in Russia differ from the position of slaves or "white slaves"?

              No he won’t understand request
              But it’s so simple.
              Serfdom is the same slavery, only in a slightly different form.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 December 2015 23: 17 New
              0
              The slave had nothing, but the serf could own his property.
              In addition, the lack of formal slavery is not a reason for pride - free Europeans lived no better, or even worse, than slaves.
        2. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 08: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: apro
          , and for others, a bank account, a birthday girl with courtiers and slaves.

          Like a living Mikita Sergeich Mikhalkov before his eyes .. laughing
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          2. atalef
            atalef 8 December 2015 14: 01 New
            0
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Quote: apro
            , and for others, a bank account, a birthday girl with courtiers and slaves.

            Like a living Mikita Sergeich Mikhalkov before his eyes .. laughing


            It’s the same for me, Mikhalkov drew himself right before his eyes. laughing
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 24 New
        0
        Quote: fa2998
        ! Do not like the Bolshevik Communists, do not like the advice, then do not love the homeland and Russian?

        The Communists do just that, who doesn’t take that enemy down. It doesn’t matter that this is a neighbor, also Russian, the main thing is that he is not a communist. And not a communist, that means an enemy. This is the logic of the Voltanut people.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 08: 05 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the Communists, this is exactly the case, who don’t take that enemy off

          “Whoever is not with us is against us” is a perfectly sane slogan .. did the new government have something changed ??
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 08: 11 New
            +1
            Quote: afdjhbn67

            “He who is not with us is against us” is a perfectly sane slogan.

            Yes, probably Pavlik Morozov was guided by it when he handed over his own father.
            Quote: afdjhbn67
            Is the new government that something has changed ??

            Do you know why I hate communists? -They consider me an enemy. But I did not record them as enemies.
            1. sergo1914
              sergo1914 8 December 2015 08: 35 New
              +2
              The Communists considered Hitler's enemy. You are too small for them. Despite the "epaulettes".
            2. afdjhbn67
              afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 09: 14 New
              +7
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You know why I hate communists

              You won’t believe me, I’m also a communist, I still have a membership card and an account card in the safe .. and I also can’t stand the Communist Party of the Russian Federation .. degenerates and degenerates, who have nothing in common with something idealistic, but have no true idea ... . hi
            3. SPACE
              SPACE 8 December 2015 09: 26 New
              +3
              Quote: afdjhbn67
              Who is not with us is against us

              This is an extreme ...
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Do you know why I hate communists? -They consider me an enemy.

              I am not against the Communists, but I am against idiolists, and as you know, any manifestation of extremeness is akin to stupidity.
              Z.Y. Communism is so natural after all ...))), it is unnatural to drink alone, it is better to occasionally be stupid when drunk than constantly drunk by stupidity. Long live the mind, may senility disappear ... drinks
        2. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 8 December 2015 10: 59 New
          +3
          I put you a plus, but still add ... But is it only the Communists? And the democrats and liberals, is it different? Always "their" good, and "strangers" bad.
      3. Alf
        Alf 8 December 2015 21: 35 New
        +3
        Quote: fa2998
        You tell me about Russian immigrants who brought up their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren to love Russia for a century, and now they are getting citizenship and are immensely happy.

        And tell me, please, these children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren who have now received Russian citizenship, what have they done for Russia? Have plants and factories opened? Built schools and kindergartens? Raise domestic science?
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 8 December 2015 06: 52 New
      0
      Quote: apro
      Author anti-Soviet means Russophobe

      Russophobes seized power in 1917! Here is the creation of the proletarian poet Vasily Alexandrovsky "Russia and the USSR" on August 13, 1925. " Truth"

      Russia! Is it rotten? Died? Came up?
      What! Eternal memory to you.
      You did not live, but only sighed
      In the dark and cramped hut.
      She crunched, crumbled with crutches,
      She smeared her lips with soot of icons.
      Above the crows croaks,
      She took care of the age-old heavy dream.
      Ah, the old woman! Blind and stupid!
      Your grandson ruined your hut.
    4. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 21 New
      -2
      Quote: apro
      Author anti-Soviet means Russophobe,

      Really, I can’t stand you communist liberals, but I love Russia.
      You are a communist, and I am a Russian man, you feel the difference between us tongue
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 December 2015 07: 57 New
        +2
        Communist liberal? This is a monster, this is a philosophy!
        Then the second line is also understandable: comparing a communist with a peasant - which is worse, red or cold?
        Yes, in this context, both junk!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 08: 13 New
          -3
          Quote: hydrox
          comparison of a communist with a man - which is worse, red or cold?

          Yes, one was Russian, and the other communist — there lived a communist and watered everyone who did not agree with him.
        2. Angry orc
          Angry orc 8 December 2015 08: 34 New
          +1
          chilled red is not bad at all :)
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 December 2015 08: 12 New
        +4
        Really, I can’t stand you communist liberals, but I love Russia.
        So we are allies! I also can’t stand Putin’s democrats, but I love Russia.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 08: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Gardamir
          So we are allies!

          No, not allies, I can’t be an ally of a person calling for a violent change of power in the country and calling for a civil warrior hi
          1. Gardamir
            Gardamir 8 December 2015 11: 44 New
            +2
            calling for a violent change of power in the country and calling for a civil warrior
            Here you are wrong. I urge you to go to the polls, vote for anyone, but not for those with whom the retirement time has increased, the “Platonists” are different ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 12: 10 New
              -2
              Quote: Gardamir
              vote for anyone

              Dafai is on bulk, he is also anyone. Not well, it’s a stain.
              1. Gardamir
                Gardamir 8 December 2015 16: 22 New
                +2
                Dafai is on bulk, he is also anyone. Not well, it’s a stain.
                I do not see a difference for myself between Putin and Navalny. Both liberals, both west. Only one is already in power. and another wants to bite off the pie.
      3. andj61
        andj61 8 December 2015 08: 38 New
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: apro
        Author anti-Soviet means Russophobe,

        Really, I can’t stand you communist liberals, but I love Russia.
        You are a communist, and I am a Russian man, you feel the difference between us tongue

        Greetings, Alexander! For complete purity of sensation, you only need a gentleman - and you will be a real man! bully hi
        But seriously - both the pre-revolutionary and the Soviet periods - this is our history, it is not necessary to denigrate either one or the other. And, moreover, to compare the then communists with the current ones. Here I completely agree with you - these are rather communist liberals, two in one. drinks
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 09: 18 New
          +5
          Quote: andj61
          communist liberals, two in one

          Great comment, at the same time saved me from writing ... word for word ..
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    5. guzik007
      guzik007 8 December 2015 08: 57 New
      +1
      Author anti-Soviet means Russophobe
      -------------------------------------
      Stunning logic, as in that joke about logic: Vasily Ivanovich, do you have matches? No. So you're a gonorrhea.
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    7. Aleksander
      Aleksander 8 December 2015 10: 11 New
      -2
      The Bolshevik putschists who carried out the October coup, who completely lost the most democratic elections in the history of Russia — to the Constituent Assembly — are real Russophobes. These are fiery revolutionaries apfelbaum, zalkinda, rosenfeldy, yashkevich, arm brackets and others like them. When they seized power in the 1917-Russian people were the fastest growing people in the world, in just 70 (!) Years of their reign, he died out-so "Russophiles-" "communists" fell in love with him ....
  3. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 8 December 2015 06: 08 New
    +8
    Russia has always been objectionable to the West and to everyone who surrounds our country, so all lovers of Western values ​​should be sent to the north there. Joseph Vissarionovich once built the northern railway so let them finish building at the same time imbued with the spirit of collectivism.
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  5. Barboskin
    Barboskin 8 December 2015 06: 13 New
    10
    About Tsarist Russia, okay, but about the perestroika years, why did the author keep silent? Or do we still remember all this well, unlike the events of 100 years ago? The revolution is certainly bad, but it must be borne in mind that Nikolai2, as well as Gorbachev, did a lot to de-criticize the existing system in the eyes of the people. Gorbachev was given the Nobel Prize, and as they say in anecdote, they wanted to give Nikolashka the Order of the October Revolution for creating the right situation. But seriously, the reward was declared a saint. Gorbachev will die, fifty years will pass, so that the generation that remembers it leaves, will also be made a saint.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Barboskin
      but about the perestroika years, why did the author keep silent?

      And what to write about them, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union was sold to amers and ruined the country, what else to write?
      1. hydrox
        hydrox 8 December 2015 07: 59 New
        +2
        And write the truth - if you know it ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 08: 13 New
          -2
          Quote: hydrox
          And write the truth - if you know it ...

          Do you really need her?
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 8 December 2015 09: 53 New
      +7
      Quote: Barboskin
      Gorbachev will die, fifty years will pass, so that the generation that remembers it leaves, will also be made a saint.

      Something you have looked far. Five years after the death of Gorbi will not pass, as the center of his name is bunged. And Putin and Medvedev will open it.
      1. ANTI.KORR.
        ANTI.KORR. 8 December 2015 09: 56 New
        +3
        Quote: Karabin
        Five years after the death of Gorbi will not pass, as the center of his name is bunged. And Putin and Medvedev will open it.

        Moreover, they will open several centers in London, in the tin, in Berlin, and of course the Stavropol Territory.
        And all this luxurious "beauty" of the EPO 7 lard raccoons will open on budget money. am
  6. BecmepH
    BecmepH 8 December 2015 06: 16 New
    11
    You know, but I believed that the author loves Russia. Some thoughts in the article were a discovery for me.
  7. Dimy4
    Dimy4 8 December 2015 06: 16 New
    13
    Moreover, these dogmas laid on the fertile ground of love for everything Western, free, legal

    In modern (and indeed very) media production, the creators of films, for example, are very fond of using the phrase that has got its teeth on edge: "civilized countries." This implies our wild backwardness with you, and in some cases the rejection of certain "civilized" dogmas that are not to our liking. To be honest already tired.
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 December 2015 07: 08 New
      +6
      Quote: Dimy4
      In modern (and indeed very) media production, the creators of films, for example, are very fond of using the phrase that has got its teeth on edge: "civilized countries." This implies our wild backwardness with you, and in some cases the rejection of certain "civilized" dogmas that are not to our liking. To be honest already tired.

      In the 13-17 centuries. in Europe they didn’t even know how to wash! and considered it an achievement! By the 14th century - they cut down all the forests so well that they were forced to protect them legally! And we thought, barons and counts for no reason - for personal entertainment - pursued the peasants, "poachers"? And French cuisine, where everything is mashed and crushed to “molecular” mashed potatoes - not from a good life, but from a lack of fuel ...
      Whereas baths are a tradition specifically Russian, and not even Scandinavian or Scottish, let’s say; although also - the climate is harsh ... And the kitchen - a whole fork of cabbage is boiled ... a whole beetroot ... a whole piece of meat ... teas and herbal infusions ... Preserve vitamins! And these traditions go so far back in history that it’s difficult to attach them to any time - localizing them!
      ... Civilization, however!
  8. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 8 December 2015 06: 20 New
    15
    And why does the author not compare the 60-70-80 years with the USSR? There were many achievements too!
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 8 December 2015 09: 58 New
      +3
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      And why does the author not compare the 60-70-80 years with the USSR? There were many achievements too!

      And in 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's ?! Yes, this is generally a time of gigantic unprecedented achievements! Out of the devastation of the civil war, in the plundered, poor, illiterate country, a great high-tech power was built, competing with Western advanced countries that did not really know such destructive wars.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 8 December 2015 16: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: Svetlana
        And in the 20s, 30s, 40s,

        I agree ! But in these years I did not live, I can’t compare .... Although in tsarist times, too request
  9. Military Builder
    Military Builder 8 December 2015 06: 21 New
    +6
    The West also does not teach history well, and first of all, the history of receiving magic pendels from the Russian army.

    and on this subject in the West, it would be nice to introduce a state exam in all universities
  10. ImPerts
    ImPerts 8 December 2015 06: 21 New
    +5
    By 1917 in Russia 81 thousand km of railways were built, over the last 37 years since 1880, more than 1,5 thousand km were built a year.

    The author is left to add the length of railway lines in other countries and compare all this. There will be a pale comparison. And the rest, too.
    What can I say, if during the WWII in the troops there was a quarrel with the supply of everything necessary. And about shell hunger I will generally keep silent.
    Or you can compare the state of the fleet in the WWI and the possibilities of the wild-growing industry of the Russian Empire to form the RIA Air Force. What does one motor hunger cost when France had to tear out engines for aircraft in addition to shells?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 December 2015 06: 38 New
      +7
      Quote: ImPerts
      What can I say, if during the WWII in the troops there was a quarrel with the supply of everything necessary. And about shell hunger I will generally keep silent.
      Given the fact that the entire top command was involved in high treason, it would be strange if things were different. In the GV KA fought shells that did not hit the front.
      Quote: ImPerts
      The author is left to add the length of railways in other countries and compare all this
      At that time, RI was in second place in terms of speed of construction of railway, after the United States.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 8 December 2015 08: 16 New
        +2
        Quote: Dart2027
        In the GV KA fought shells that did not hit the front.

        In the 25th Infantry Division there were 54 guns.
        Do you think other units were also better equipped with artillery?
        Do you seriously think that the density of artillery used on both sides in the GW was similar in RIA? And this despite the fact that the RIA on this indicator lagged behind the other armies of the Entente.
        Quote: Dart2027
        At that time, RI was in second place in terms of speed of construction of railway, after the United States.

        Construction speed is an interesting indicator. Why build where already built? IMHO, even if your statement is true, nobody was going to cover Germany, Great Britain, France with a continuous railway field wink
        This is for reference:
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 December 2015 19: 54 New
          0
          Quote: ImPerts
          then nobody was going to cover Germany, Great Britain, France with a continuous railway field
          Do you want to compare the sizes of RI with England or Germany?
          Quote: ImPerts
          Do you seriously think that the density of artillery used on both sides in the GW was similar in RIA?
          Depending on where, the artillery was thrown depending on the situation, but the fact that the shells, like the guns themselves, was a fact.
          Quote: ImPerts
          This is for reference:
          Two world wars differed in terms of technical equipment by at least a generation.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 9 December 2015 06: 07 New
            0
            I have cited data not for comparing WWII and WWII. And for clarity, when talking about the use of artillery in the GV. Naturally, in principle, there were enough shells in the GW. After all, the number of guns is a multiple less.
    2. CONTROL
      CONTROL 8 December 2015 07: 12 New
      +1
      Quote: ImPerts
      The author is left to add the length of railway lines in other countries and compare all this. There will be a pale comparison.

      The same is true for roads: Russia is in some kind of "African" place along the length of roads in relation to the country's area! ...
      ... And here comes the “Plato" from where !? Another question - from the end? ...
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 8 December 2015 08: 19 New
        -1
        Quote: CONTROL
        And here is the “Plato" from where !? Another question - from the end?

        I believe this is a means of control. And to the second question - not from that end. Could enter, oblige to put the registrar and fine for his absence and so on. But on the roads for free. Is free.
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 8 December 2015 08: 32 New
          +2
          oblige to put a registrar
          Who needs that movement of their cars for 10 years already controls. And now they have introduced additional requisitions.
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 8 December 2015 09: 40 New
            -2
            Quote: Gardamir
            Who needs the movement of their cars for years 10 controls

            There are drivers - owners who can spend anything. From grenade launchers to MANPADS.
            Most likely their units, but they are.
            And they don’t need control.
            Oh, about the rest I will not say anything.
            1. Karabin
              Karabin 8 December 2015 10: 54 New
              +3
              Quote: ImPerts
              There are drivers - owners who can spend anything. From grenade launchers to MANPADS.

              From a grenade launcher to MANPADS can be carried out in the "Muscovite-412".
              How to control what is being driven with the help of Plato? Or do you propose adding the option "to the light"? Rotenbergs will only be happy.
              1. ImPerts
                ImPerts 8 December 2015 14: 47 New
                -1
                They control the route, not the contents. And then they begin to suspect the transport of the obscure.
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 8 December 2015 09: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: ImPerts
          I believe this is a means of control. And to the second question - not from that end. Could enter, oblige to put the registrar and fine for his absence and so on. But on the roads for free. Is free.

          Yes, here, rather - not one end ...
          I am more likely “for” Plato, but not in the way they “introduce” him! Control is needed because long-range private traders are a “quiet crime” out of “good” motives, so to speak! But not with money ... in the face!
          And it is necessary - it is necessary, it is necessary, it is necessary ... to move cargo transportation to the Russian Railways, with a multiple reduction in tariffs! but it will become a fig: that "raised", then you can’t let it go ... to get into the pocket of the "owners" of Russian Railways !!! ??? I will not tolerate !!! It remains - to ruin part of the private long-range fighters ...
          ... and Rotenberg friends, again ...
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 07: 27 New
      0
      Quote: ImPerts

      The author is left to add the length of railway lines in other countries and compare all this. There will be a pale comparison.

      True, well, give a reference for pallor.
      1. Barboskin
        Barboskin 8 December 2015 07: 42 New
        -1
        You do not measure long, but in quantity per square.
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      3. ImPerts
        ImPerts 8 December 2015 14: 43 New
        0
        Interesting, and who deleted?
        Link, to pallor, my brudershaft:
        http://aftershock.su/?q=node/25334
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    5. Aleksander
      Aleksander 8 December 2015 13: 16 New
      0
      Quote: ImPerts
      The author is left to add the length of railway lines in other countries and compare all this. Pale there will be a comparison.


      The applicant should look pale like this:
      -Russia 85 ths. Km (and 15 thousand in construction at 1917),
      -Germany 62 thousand km
      -France 58 thousand
      Austria-Hungary -43 thousand
      etc.
      And the scale of railway construction such as the Trans-Siberian Railway, such masterpieces of construction as Alekseevsky bridge, Krasnoyarsk the bridge (grand prix, gold medals, admiration for the Eiffel) the USSR never reached .....
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 8 December 2015 14: 42 New
        +1
        I can’t find my comment and therefore I will repeat:
        “Studying the peculiarities of railway construction at the beginning of the 20th century, it is easy to see that its pace, compared to the last decade of the 19th century, has noticeably decreased and continued to decline. In total, from 1900 to 1904 the year was put into operation 8222 versts of railways, from 1905 to 1909 year - about 6000, and in 1910 – 1913 — only 3466. The construction quality was not high - about 90% of the lines were laid with rails of type III-a and IV-a, untreated sleepers, sand ballast were widely used "
        “On the eve of World War I, Russia significantly lagged behind the leading European countries in the number of multi-track lines. While in most economically developed countries, the number of roads in two or even three tracks ranged from 40 to 60%, in Russia there are two-track roads at the end of the 1913 of the year there was only about 27%. The railway network of the Russian Empire was conceded to the probable opponents in terms of the number of access roads. At 1 of January 1914 of the year, local roads had only 2252 versts, or about 3% "
        “A characteristic feature of the railway construction in Russia was the extremely uneven distribution of railways across the country: 82% of the network fell to its European regions, and only 18% to the rest of the territory. Moreover, even European Russia in terms of network density (per 100 sq. km) 12 times inferior to Great Britain and Germany and 10 to France "
        http://aftershock.su/?q=node/25334
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 8 December 2015 20: 23 New
          +1
          Quote: ImPerts
          I can’t find my comment and therefore I will repeat:

          Your comment was:
          Quote: ImPerts

          The author is left to add the length of railway lines in other countries and compare all this. There will be a pale comparison.


          Once again, the comparison turned out to be pale not for Russia at all - it was In second place
          in the world
          along the length of the roads. Your pale statement turned out to be empty sovagitka.
          1900-1910 years built 14 thousand km of roads,
          1910-1916gg built 15,7 thousand km
          And one more thing, the conditions for the construction of railway roads in Russia turned out to be so more complicated than the European ones that the European engineers refused to build them - everything was done -Russian railway engineers. "Engineers" Garin-Mikhailovsky -beautiful illustration of the above ....
          1. ImPerts
            ImPerts 9 December 2015 06: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Aleksander
            Your comment was:

            There was another comment.
            Quote: Aleksander
            And one more thing, the conditions for the construction of railway roads in Russia turned out to be so more complicated than the European ones that the European engineers refused to build them — everything was done by Russian railway engineers. "Engineers" Garin-Mikhailovsky -beautiful illustration of the above ....

            Without belittling the merits of Russian engineers
            Quote: ImPerts
            In total, from 1900 to 1904, 8222 versts of railways were put into operation, from 1905 to 1909, about 6000, and in 1910 – 1913, only 3466. The construction quality was not high either - about 90% of the lines were laid with rails of type III-a and IV-a, untreated sleepers, sand ballast were widely used
      2. Alf
        Alf 8 December 2015 22: 10 New
        0
        Quote: Aleksander
        The applicant should look pale like this:

        In addition to the length of the paths, you also give the area of ​​these countries. And estimate how many kilometers of roads accounted for one square area. I think that you will have a pale appearance. For example, by 1917, only one railway line approached Murmansk, and it was made using temporary technology.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 8 December 2015 23: 09 New
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          In addition to the length of the paths, you also give the area of ​​these countries

          That's it. What is easier to build a railway network in a compact area, where everything is at hand or where Makar did not drive calves.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 8 December 2015 06: 23 New
    +9
    From historical events, everyone grabs what he really likes, and if you falsify certain facts a little more, it will turn out perfectly fine. Someone with sadness and unfulfilled hopes recalls revolutionary Russia. Someone with a sigh and knee recalls the 90s ("liberals"). But on historical errors, there is no one who wants to learn from us, especially in the West.
  12. Signaller
    Signaller 8 December 2015 06: 23 New
    -2
    Yes, I don’t know what happened in Russia 140 years ago. They only say, but personally, as it was not present, so I don’t know. And most importantly, no one knows. They said it was ... "And they say that the chickens are milked ??????". SO WHAT ?????
  13. parusnik
    parusnik 8 December 2015 06: 26 New
    +8
    Many of us who studied, or began to study back in the Soviet school, have patterns of those dogmas that drove cheating. Moreover, these dogmas laid on the fertile ground of love for everything Western, free, legal..... The author, are you talking about yourself? .. especially about fertile soil ...?
  14. Dart2027
    Dart2027 8 December 2015 06: 28 New
    +6
    By the way, about the intelligentsia. I would like to ask a question to all those who are waiting for the arrival of freedoms with the departure of Putin. Did you guys not learn history?
    Each of them dreams that under the new government they will really appreciate him and he will ... !!!
  15. Demon
    Demon 8 December 2015 06: 31 New
    +6
    Quote: apro
    The author anti-Soviet means Russophobe, pink pictures of the splendor of Tsarist Russia crashed about in 17 and fragments scattered around the world without teaching our educators anything.

    The author is not anti-Soviet, he is a patriot. And an article on the topic. He missed the Soviet years, not because he did not like them, but because at that time, in addition to civilizational confrontation, there was also an ideological one, and the Empire and present-day Russia had no ideological differences. So the article is a plus! Learn History not in patterns and most importantly remember the lessons!
    1. Alf
      Alf 8 December 2015 22: 14 New
      +2
      Quote: Bes
      and the Empire and present-day Russia have no ideological differences.

      It is interesting how this could be, the absence of ideological differences, if modern Russia absolutely officially has no ideology at all.
      1. ANTI.KORR.
        ANTI.KORR. 8 December 2015 22: 20 New
        +2
        Quote: Alf
        if modern Russia absolutely officially has no ideology at all.

        Officially not, but really liberal-bourgeois, man-to-man-wolf or make money.
  16. sa-ag
    sa-ag 8 December 2015 06: 33 New
    +6
    Again, this topic of tsarist Russia is being raised, not for the first time, by different people, this, incidentally, is also not an independent message, but an external one :-)
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 8 December 2015 07: 20 New
      +5
      Quote: sa-ag
      Again, this topic of tsarist Russia is being raised, not for the first time, by different people, this, incidentally, is also not an independent message, but an external one :-)

      But this is our story, not the history of Europe.
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 8 December 2015 08: 22 New
        +5
        But this is our story, not the history of Europe.
        Voooot. Any our story is good. And princely Russia, and the Moscow kingdom, and the Russian Empire, and the Soviet Union, and the Russian Federation. Only for some reason, the current government prefers to hate the Soviet period of history. He erects monuments to the father-killer and regicide who committed the coup Alexander 1 and the man who committed the same coup Boris Yeltsin.
        1. Svetlana
          Svetlana 8 December 2015 09: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: Gardamir
          Only for some reason, the current government prefers to hate the Soviet period of history. He erects monuments to the father-killer and regicide who committed the coup Alexander 1 and the man who committed the same coup Boris Yeltsin.

          And the baptizer of Russia - Vladimir - is also not casual. For them, this is a national hero.
  17. Tatarus
    Tatarus 8 December 2015 06: 41 New
    +2
    One thing only pleases, the West also poorly teaches history, and first of all, the history of receiving magic pendels from the Russian army.

    All the time, Russia has to apply a healing pendal to different "hegemons". And most often to the western Idliots. And again the time comes to begin the procedure.
  18. Junior, I
    Junior, I 8 December 2015 06: 47 New
    +4
    The article turned out to be somehow one-sided, everything in Tsarist Russia was good!
    Both industry and agriculture. Only the author forgot that the countries of Europe have always been interested only in resources and the economy. The worse for other countries, the better and easier it is for them to control and offer not profitable deals.
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  20. 3officer
    3officer 8 December 2015 06: 51 New
    +2
    The question of what Russia was like before the revolution and what it would have been if it hadn’t become a matter of discussion is more likely for historians. But I agree with the author’s opinion about shattering the state. The line between constructive criticism of the system and incitement to the next Maidan (revolution, coup, perestroika, whatever you call it) is rather arbitrary. The tendency that the revolution is arranged by romantics, and the villains use its fruits is still relevant today.
  21. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 8 December 2015 06: 55 New
    +6
    Colleagues, the point of the article is not that it was good with the king, but bad with the advice. The meaning of the article is that the West does not need a strong Russia that has risen from its knees, and this very West will do everything as it did years ago, to bring Russia to its knees again. Better yet, put cancer. And people who are many even on this resource, will applaud and believe that now it will be good! Will not be.
    1. Wildcat-731
      Wildcat-731 8 December 2015 08: 12 New
      +1
      I agree with you, colleague. The West has never needed (and never will be!) A strong and independent Russia - our worldview is too different.
      It is no coincidence that the same R. Kipling wrote: "The West is the West, the East is the East; and together with it never not get together! "And Russia is the only country in the world that has denied and continues to refute this Western postulate for centuries!
      Moreover, yelling about our "barbarism", these Western (and a bunch of home-grown intellectuals-liberal-shit-democracy) civilizers always forget that, for example, they began to monitor personal hygiene only in the first quarter of the 1813th century, after the Liberation the campaign of the Russian army 14. Before that, they washed themselves from case to case, and besides, with great reluctance, and considered this a hallmark of "culture and civilization"! And us, with our baths and ablutions - "wild barbarians!" Here is the answer to the question, where did such a developed perfumery industry come from in the West - to mask its own scent!
      And in general, the difference between Us and the West in worldview, world outlook, worldview is so great that it requires a separate article, no, not even a series of articles on this forum.
      1. Alf
        Alf 8 December 2015 22: 19 New
        0
        Quote: WildCat-731
        , where in the West such a well-developed perfumery industry - to mask their own scent!

        Wide-brimmed hats from there. In medieval Paris, it was considered absolutely normal to spill sewage, including night pots, from the windows of houses. It was from there that the so praised habit went off taking off his hat to the lady, hiding her behind her back, taking away the source, to put it mildly, of “aromas”. From there, the aristocracy’s habit of wearing silk underwear — body parasites could not resist it.
  22. stayer
    stayer 8 December 2015 06: 56 New
    +4
    You can agree with the author, but not. If you grab individual pieces from history, the picture looks different. If everything was so good, then what happened? Blame everything to the west (that made a revolution) is this a trend or something? And those who did all this and supported white and fluffy?
    Looking at today's Ukraine, they also say that the West supposedly arranged and paid for and embodied everything. No. Galloping Svidomo people, full of hatred and envy.
    Yes, the West skillfully manipulated the moods of Ukrainians, paid extra where necessary, but the people did it. And even now they say that this junta has come, and the people supposedly are normal, brothers, etc.
    Open your eyes. These people hate you fiercely, and brought to power what suits him at the moment.
    In the revolution (1917), too, the people brought to power what suited them. Then he washed his face with blood. And for a long time he compared his successes from 1913 until he stood on his feet. Cohesion and external isolation helped (sanctions as of now), plus intervention and war.
    Looking at Ukraine, she began to wash herself with blood, cold and hunger lie ahead. But it is quite possible that it will no longer be able to rise to its feet, in the sense of becoming an independent state.
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 December 2015 20: 00 New
      0
      Quote: stayer
      If everything was so good, then what happened?
      In the beginning there was a February coup, organized by high-ranking traitors who simply wanted to seize power.
  23. press officer
    press officer 8 December 2015 06: 58 New
    +2
    Quote: Dart2027
    By the way, about the intelligentsia. I would like to ask a question to all those who are waiting for the arrival of freedoms with the departure of Putin. Did you guys not learn history?
    Each of them dreams that under the new government they will really appreciate him and he will ... !!!


    Well no! Each of these "craving" already believes that he was appreciated! wassat Because for the most part they are already sitting in a "civilized" Europe and it is from there that they sing their "sweet" songs about how we feel bad here! And the more fairy-tale the song “about everything is bad” in Russia, the more money they are given! And that’s enough for them! yes And you can’t finish these songs, they’ll stop paying right away, the bills will be arrested and, at best, deported from the country of residence, knowing that he is on the federal wanted list for example .... yes The last example is a runaway banker Pugachev and a runaway deputy Ponamorev, what halls they gather with their stories about "all-bad Russia" and "everyone’s been dead .." fellow ! And therefore our liberals howl “beautiful songs” only as long as strength and health allow. negative And they know perfectly how everything can end if we are torn to pieces! They know their little hands and rub their rubbish from anticipation to bite off a piece of themselves, but more! negative
    P.S. And they have nothing to do with the intelligentsia! Have you seen a 100-year-old granny that she asked for a passport from the GDP? She appeals to him as she had once been taught "His Excellency the Great Sovereign!" So here she is the intelligentsia! But they are not! Through her years she carried love for the motherland and country! Having brought up this love for Russia and in my children! And he wants to die in Russia! good And all posing as intellectuals are simple traitors! am
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 8 December 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      Quote: press attache
      Because for the most part they are already sitting in a “civilized” Europe and it is from there that they sing their “sweet” songs about how we feel bad here
      The author does not mean them, but those who live by the principle of "the pig will find dirt everywhere."
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 December 2015 06: 59 New
    +3
    Well, by the way, the story was really taught over.
    I'm talking about teaching history in the Soviet period.
    It was just that there is the USSR and it hurt.
    But in fact, we don’t understand what is the same intervention of Primorye,
    to whom the monument to the sailors of the merchant fleet is dedicated.
    This is me about Vladivostok, in which I have lived all my life.
    Well, intervention, well, a monument ...
    They taught that this is good ...
    And when you start reading what it was and how,
    how scary it is.
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  27. aziatt
    aziatt 8 December 2015 07: 03 New
    +2
    Well written. Not in the eye but in the eyebrow. The European homosexual has always been envious of us and therefore always tried to establish it. Glory to Russia!!!
  28. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 8 December 2015 07: 04 New
    +2
    The author has a sober understanding of history. There are enough passionate personalities in any country and under any power. This is a feature of human society. The question is how the country "channels" their energy. To destruction or to creation. And how this energy is used by the enemies of this country. If it turns out.
  29. surrozh
    surrozh 8 December 2015 07: 07 New
    0
    If you can sip each other you can (and get married) - "civilized", if not - "barbarian". I remember that it was for this that the Lord Sodom and Gomorrah perished. So the story is not only we do not know, but also the "civilizers" too.
  30. V.ic
    V.ic 8 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +4
    A few lines of Timur Sultanovich Shaov:
    "Garbage heaps smell.
    A bully is torturing a dog.
    Is this what life teaches us?
    She’s not teaching anything! "
  31. samsor
    samsor 8 December 2015 07: 14 New
    +2
    These "educated wealthy citizens" all or almost all received education abroad, both in Tsarist Russia and in our time. And their children there, too, receive education. Yes, they are Westerners because they studied in the West. And they laid their negative attitudes towards Russia with their education. So everything is simple, and they will continue to rule us until we recognize foreign diplomas unsuitable for use in Russia
  32. AID.S
    AID.S 8 December 2015 07: 23 New
    +5
    Since everything was so good
    Why did it suddenly get so bad?
  33. uge.garik
    uge.garik 8 December 2015 07: 29 New
    -1
    Someone else will love us in the rest of the world - if we are Russia from nature and education, we are the best ..! It is insulting to them and envious ... That’s the dirty tricks where they can, miserable - I disdain them, like cockroaches, well, crush them the same way ...
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 08: 15 New
      0
      Quote: uge.garik
      Someone else in the rest of the world will love us

      and why, sorry, climb to all with your love?
      Quote: uge.garik
      We are Russia - the best ..!

      chimeras of exclusivity played and are playing evil jokes with their carriers.
      Quote: uge.garik
      Well, crush them the same ...

      it was necessary to begin with this - "he who is not with us is against us." Yeah, crush. All.
  34. onix757
    onix757 8 December 2015 07: 35 New
    +5
    This peasant is ungrateful, did not appreciate the paradise conditions of the tsarist regime and decided to start a revolution with fat without any Internet, phones or the sensitive eye of the tsarist secret police.
  35. Konstantin 121
    Konstantin 121 8 December 2015 07: 49 New
    +5
    It seems that the author is trying to persuade the reader not to make a revolution. I myself am against the coups. But why is the government really discrediting itself by introducing more and more requisitions, it is not clear. Truckers have been on strike for more than a week, and there is only one foreign policy in the information field, they don’t want a revolution, just cancel Plato (Rotenberg’s invention) but alas, they don’t hear it. Ostrich approach. But these requisitions from the trucks as a result touch us, the end consumers. It is especially not clear when they say that it took hundreds of billions of rubles to build it, it would be better if the roads were made. The soil for the revolution is fertilized by the increasing stratification in society, with which our government so "successfully" fights every now and then adding fuel to the fire of popular discontent.
  36. 31rus
    31rus 8 December 2015 07: 49 New
    +4
    Dear ones, the article is correct, but controversial, for example, why does our leadership repeat the same mistakes? Russia has always looked at the West, everything is right, but where else to look, but then again why the lesson in history has not been learned from senior leaders. Further, the myth that before the Bolsheviks in Russia was almost a "paradise", a fraud, the same thing now, you can take a worker with a salary of 50-60 thousand, and there are 15000, in any field. Again, if Russia was at the beginning of the century, progressive, how quickly did you reach the revolution? So it turns out according to the author if you write about history, then write everything, both good and bad.
  37. B.T.V.
    B.T.V. 8 December 2015 08: 07 New
    +3
    And today marks exactly 24 years since the signing of the Bialowieza Agreement, this is also a story, alas.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 8 December 2015 11: 58 New
      +3
      from the date of signing the Bialowieza Agreement
      It’s more correct to say the coup. Imagine, for example, three governors of Arkhangelsk gather. Vologda, Kostroma will sign the Belozersky agreement and say: "All Vladimir Vladimirovich, you are free." In the same way, the Soviet Union collapsed.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 8 December 2015 12: 13 New
        -2
        Quote: Gardamir
        It’s more correct to say the coup.

        Arranged by former members of the CPSU Central Committee.
      2. ruskih
        ruskih 8 December 2015 13: 04 New
        +2
        Right, Gardamir. They didn’t give a damn about the fact that families, native people ended up in different states.
  38. Bluesman
    Bluesman 8 December 2015 08: 11 New
    +1
    again, "Russia, which we lost-2.0"? This cute condescending tip "to learn history" can be addressed to the author with the same success. With linear "Mind" (c) it is better to breed Jerusalem artichoke in the country.
  39. spolo
    spolo 8 December 2015 08: 21 New
    0
    Quote: Samsor
    These "educated wealthy citizens" all or almost all received education abroad, both in Tsarist Russia and in our time. And their children there, too, receive education. Yes, they are Westerners because they studied in the West. And they laid their negative attitudes towards Russia with their education. So everything is simple, and they will continue to rule us until we recognize foreign diplomas unsuitable for use in Russia

    I'm trying to interpret your opus on the North Korean leader .. Also, by the way, Western education ..
  40. Riv
    Riv 8 December 2015 08: 22 New
    +5
    In my opinion, the author has not crunched the French bun. :)

    No, of course I am aware that teaching history is now bad. But it seems much worse. Poor knowledge of history is compounded by the absolute inability to comprehend even those figures to which the author himself refers. Well, let's say by 1917 the peasants and Cossacks had 165 acres of land. And the population of Russia by the 17th year is about 180.000.000 people. Tithing is a little more than a hectare. Interestingly, the author tried to live at least once, growing at least potatoes on one hectare, not to mention wheat? Of the fertilizers - manure, of mechanization - a cow, a family of ten people, in the hut two rooms. Surely not tried. At the same time, the peasant had to give most of the harvest in the form of taxes, so that someone could continue to crunch the French bun. And you need not only potatoes. Haymaking is still required, grazing, sowing rye, peas ... Well, how, did you lose the desire to peasantry?

    What else is there? Did the workers live well? So it’s in St. Petersburg, and in some places they simply shot at them to make them work. Google "Lensky execution." On the national outskirts, everything was even worse. There, on the people’s neck, there were also local bays with noyons. And finally, the most important thing: tsarist Russia was just ruined by too rapid industrial growth (we will leave the corruption among the grand dukes outside). For twenty years the number of the proletariat has grown, if my memory serves me right, fourfold. Those who read Lenin are aware that the proletariat is the driving force of the socialist revolution. So it blazed.

    In general, the author’s last question is naive. A country whose people can endure what they endured in tsarist Russia cannot but pose a threat. High social tension is the same bomb. And if the Bolsheviks come to power ... Yes, plus Stalin at the helm ... Then anyone who wants heartburn will begin.
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 08: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Riv
      In my opinion, the author has not crunched the French bun. :)

      about the roll is valid ...))
      In general, this is a new incarnation of Govorukhin, IMHO ..
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 8 December 2015 09: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      In my opinion, the author has not crunched the French bun. :)

      Bravo!
    3. BARKHAN
      BARKHAN 8 December 2015 11: 24 New
      +4
      They wrote great. In our time, they shot a lot of films about the aristocracy and the pre-revolutionary years. Officers, ladies in lace, champagne and sturgeon ... and everyone has a really sore soul for Russia ... And I, as a working person, was always interested in whose score eating with ...
      In the country, before the communists arrived, most of the population was stupidly unable to read. I don’t mention medicine at all. Agriculture at the level of ancient Rome, the same tools and technologies. At the factories, too, it was gloomy, workers didn’t get hit by a good life.
      Well, the berry on the cake. Theft in power.
      They stole money for the fleet, for the army, for the railway ...
      The security guard stole money to fight the revolution, laughing this is generally a masterpiece. And the very first thieves were representatives of the royal family with relatives.
      So that they organized their executions and persecutions with their own hands ... the Russian aristocracy did EVERYTHING! possible to be destroyed ... Well, abroad helped us!
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 8 December 2015 12: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Barkhan
        They wrote great. In our time, they shot a lot of films about the aristocracy and the pre-revolutionary years. Officers, ladies in lace, champagne and sturgeon ... and everyone has a really sore soul for Russia ... And I, as a working person, was always interested in whose score eating with ...

        Right! It is necessary not only to teach history at school ... But, for example, literature is also a novel by A.M. Gorky's "Mother" ... and others (Dostigaev and others), or Dostoevsky's "Demons" there ... Bunin again ... Pictures of a "happy life" are first-hand ...
  41. Bashibuzuk
    Bashibuzuk 8 December 2015 08: 26 New
    +3
    Stupid topics, some ... as it was good before, and suddenly the liberals came.
    Well, the society of the Decembrists arose after the campaign in Paris, in 1814. Comparison of something not in favor of Russia turned out to be for the Decembrists. Although, it seemed like blue blood, brick urine - everything was in the hands. His hands, not strangers. Take it and arrange a paradise life for your peasants and for yourself.
    No, it turned out to be easier to whisper in the corners.
    One to one, that a century later, in the dashing 1900s, that in the 1990s crazy, that in 2008-2012
    And everywhere the main ringleaders are Shushuki, the names only change.
    At the same time, it is completely uninteresting to these "zinger" - people live well, poorly ... if only they would be free.
    .
    And the West .... well, that’s what territory, what resources — and don’t understand what’s happening (from the point of view of the West), you see, “Peace be on the enemies of the enemies with heavy march of regiments”, then they blow with a bang the Japs who are twenty years, as they crawled out of isolation, then they let themselves into mincemeat, or something else - well, the "mysterious, Russian soul" does not lend itself to logical investigation.
    She ourselves, the Russians, does not give in. Either they built communism, or they enthusiastically rushed into "wild capitalism."
    Then all of a sudden - the renaissance began. With Putin.
    But Medvedev will replace him - will the reformation begin again? And all the business.
  42. avva2012
    avva2012 8 December 2015 08: 39 New
    +6
    In the end I would like to express this thought. We poorly know the history of our country. By history, I do not mean military achievements and geopolitical successes, but the life of ordinary people. About life, so about life. Level one: "infant mortality." The indicators in RI are stunning. How many children did not live to 5-7 of the summer age? Anyone can read on the Internet. There are several reasons: parental employment, basic hygiene, including infants, were given to suck chewed bread. It seems to be a trifle. The fact is that in bread there were many things that should not be. Including ergot. An adult who consumed such bread did not harm his health. Children have problems with the intestines, i.e., diarrhea, which lead to the loss of vitamins, trace elements, dehydration and death.
    When, a course was taken to combat illiteracy, at the same time, a struggle was conducted in ignorance and learning the rules of basic hygiene. Second level: "provision of the population with medical care." Indicators of the number of doctors per population, ibid. On the Internet. But, we can say that the level of honey. service at a medieval level. I.e., midwives, etc. Accordingly, high infant mortality and women of childbearing age. Therefore, when the author of the article begins to describe how well the workers lived in the Republic of Ingushetia (3%) of the population, this does not amaze and delight me.
    In the Russian Empire, tuberculosis, syphilis, polio, blackpox, cholera, etc., were rampant. diseases that were almost forgotten by the 40 years of 20 of that century. No, of course they were, but the nature of the epidemics no longer wore. By the way, I want to remember that during the Second World War, there were no epidemics. Typhoid fever is an association with the Civil War. Military epidemiologists in the USSR did almost the impossible!
    This is about the standard of living. And when they compare the salaries of workers and how much bread, eggs, etc., it costs, I want to ask the question, "And how much did the doctor cost?"
  43. Shurale
    Shurale 8 December 2015 08: 50 New
    +6
    What a fellow !!!
    And the power licked, and the plans of the West with his head revealed and the communists crap !!!
    Talent, talent !!!

    It turns out Dostoevsky, Goncharov, Gogol lied to us shamelessly !!!
    Here are the kazly !!!
    To their bonfire !!!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 8 December 2015 08: 59 New
      0
      And the power licked, and the plans of the West with his head revealed and the communists crap !!! Talent, talent - how much fun is it getting?
      He probably has this point of view. And, money, well, this, by the way.
      To the author of the comment, “Have you tried to write yourself?”, In my opinion, you are not bad at it.
  44. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 08: 59 New
    +6
    Speaking of intellectuals. So I want to ask a question to all those who are waiting for the arrival of freedoms with the departure of Putin. You guys have not been taught the story? Read Bunin, Bulgakov. After all, there are the same as you - supporters of progress and freedoms - believed in one thing, but received another. Never in our history after revolutions it became better. It only got worse! Smoot has always been beneficial to our enemies. And why are there still people - smart, educated - who believe that the next revolution will bring us, finally, freedom, equality and fraternity. The two revolutions of the 20 century — in 1917 and 1991 — did not bring us anything except devastation, loss of territories, falling living standards, increasing mortality and lower birth rates. But in fact, the worst thing that happened after the revolution was the loss of sovereignty. And so let's go back to the period when we fully experienced the "love" of the West.


    Interested in this paragraph in the article. I can not agree with this interpretation of the author. At least because I don’t want trouble. I just do not understand some issues in the policies of the current government regarding education, healthcare, the lack of a clear ideology, fiscal policy and a number of other actions. It's not me who creates the “revolutionary” situations that the author writes about. This power, due to the indulgence of the greed of the state-oligarchic conglomerate, creates the conditions for the emergence of such situations.
    Something like this, of course, subjectively, I think, colleagues. hi
    PS Well, about the author’s rejection of the socialist past, I want to note only one thing. For the past 25 years, the country has lived exclusively on what it has inherited from this very past. For do not consider the situation, there is no economic development in the country. Yes, there is a restoration of sovereignty, but for sovereignty there is a very important and necessary component, this is the economy, but this is not. hi
  45. figter
    figter 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
    +1
    “Geopolitical rivalry between the British and Russian empires for supremacy in South and Central Asia”. This very game lasted from 1812 year to 1917. Directly at the beginning of the 20 century, the main geographic zones of confrontation were: Tibet, Persia (now Iran) and Afghanistan. Nothing like?

    It reminds, but far from this:
    The beginning of the 20 century. Russia is among the five largest countries in terms of the economic development of the world: the USA, Germany, England, France, Russia. Russia occupies a place in the world 4 in terms of world industrial production, its share was 9%. The growth rate of the Russian economy over a long period 1890 - 1914. were the highest among all 5 leading industrial nations of the world. By 1917, 81 was built in thousandths of km of railways in Russia; over the last 37 years, more than 1880thousands of km was built from 1,5 in years. Even during the war years, Russian industry continued to grow (now mainly due to military production). After a slight decline in 1914, it was 1,3%, in 1915, the increase was 10,8%, and in 1916, 10,2%. Only in 1917, after the start of the revolution, there is a deep recession in the industry - 20,2%. As a result, it was only during the reign of Nicholas II that Russian industry quadrupled its productivity.

    There is no such analogy in the history of the country, it is the opposite. I'm tired of this stupid propaganda .., if only they had already invented something clever. Shrinking political department.
  46. Svetlana
    Svetlana 8 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +6
    We poorly know the history of our country. By history, I do not mean military achievements and geopolitical successes, but the life of ordinary people.
    - quote from the end of the article.
    This is especially true of the author of the article. Calling for the monarchy, the author showed it well. Ordinary people in Russia began to rave about fat when they supported the Bolsheviks in the fight against the tsarist regime? Now, you want to say, ordinary people also live wonderful in Russia? Why, when reading Bunin, should we be convinced that the monarchy was a time of prosperity for the people? But Nekrasov was lying, who should live well in Russia? And you think it is normal when in a society one layer exploits another? Now we don’t need to rub about the bloody Bolshevik regime, we have read this in the 80 and 90 and heard enough to burp. The coup in Russia was not organized by the Bolsheviks, but by those who wanted to destroy Russia and the Russian world in general. Thanks to the true patriots who considered themselves communists, this did not work out - and statehood was restored almost at the same borders as the Russian Empire had, and the economy made a powerful leap forward, and most importantly, what the Soviet government achieved was the creation of equal rights for all people society. What has never been anywhere in the world. And it really could not be in the Russian Empire.
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 10: 30 New
      +3
      Quote: Svetlana
      - creation of an equal society for all people. What has never been anywhere in the world. And it really could not be in the Russian Empire.

      Svetlana, I won’t even comment on your comment, colleague, you already said everything with dignity. hi
  47. ARES623
    ARES623 8 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +5
    In fact, the truth lies in the middle. The author somehow everything was smooth, good and promising under the priest-king, only in realities I do not remember neither cars, nor planes, nor machine-tool building. After the revolution, it took two decades for its electricity generating capacities to appear, its own military-industrial complex, for which machines were bought for gold in the USA and Germany. The author writes about general literacy, but means only the urban population, although more than 90% of the population of Russia was whitewashed by the villagers, and there they could read on the fingers by fingers.
    Propaganda, s ... Patriotism is a commitment to the TRUTH, with maximum objectivity. And the existing shortcomings and mistakes are mentioned and analyzed not in order to spit in "every pot", but in order to draw conclusions for the future, in order to circumvent the "rake" by the optimal road.
  48. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 8 December 2015 10: 00 New
    +6
    I do not know for tsarist Russia, I did not live then. But I will say as it is. Milk in bottles and triangular bags was not a match for today. Today's oil is a margarine that is not even creamy to taste, but is made on the basis of fats. Sausage, well, I will not argue, but tastier than right now. I am 46 and I remember the taste of the products. It’s not worthwhile to have a better life when it’s better to live, because there’s no point, and our elite is oriented to the West and teaches our children there. And if we want to remain an independent country, we need an elite that lives and teaches children here and does not transfer money to the West. The elite that builds and modernizes plants and does not cut money with terrible force and squeezes out from the factories that bought from the bureaucrats cheap officials everything that can and wants to upgrade the plants at the expense of the state without spending a dime of their money. These are ordinary parasites on the body of the state. For 25 years of the mess, they learned this well. A plateau is purely their invention to sit as a mediator between us and the state, and believe, from 3 rubles per kilometer, it’s good for the state if it’s 50 kopecks in the best case. I do not call for revolution because the country really does not need this. But the so-called elita is pushing us to this. THE QUESTION TO WHOM THEY ARE SERVED BY THE PEOPLE'S SERVERS WELL NOT ONE THE PEOPLE. THEN TO WHOM, GOES WEST. AND WHY THEN THESE SERVICES FOR US HAVE TO USE THEM THEIR PEOPLE TO WORK. ABOUT REDENBERG CLAN ABOUT MEDVEDEV, YOU CAN NOT SPEAK AND IT'S UNDERSTANDING. THIS IS NOT SUCH A SCARY SECRET.
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 10: 10 New
      -7
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      I am 46 and I remember the taste of the products.

      how is this possible?
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      and triangular packets
      By the way, do you know why these triangles leaked? The story is curious and in many ways symbolic and typical of the USSR.
      But in general - you just 46, and grumble at all 75 laughing
    2. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 10: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: Born in the USSR
      THE QUESTION TO WHOM THEY ARE SERVED BY THE PEOPLE'S SERVERS WELL NOT ONE THE PEOPLE. THEN TO WHOM, GOES WEST. AND WHY THEN THESE SERVICES FOR US HAVE TO USE THEM THEIR PEOPLE TO WORK. ABOUT REDENBERG CLAN ABOUT MEDVEDEV, YOU CAN NOT SPEAK AND IT'S UNDERSTANDING. THIS IS NOT SUCH A SCARY SECRET.

      I liked your comment by a colleague, supported in all possible ways. good hi
  49. vetor
    vetor 8 December 2015 10: 32 New
    +1
    And that when Russia defended its territory it won. And in 1856 the Turks were torn apart and the Crimean War was defeated. In 104, the Chinese bent hard and in 1904-06 the defeat of Yaponia. Afghanistan, again, helped the collapse of the USSR. In 1914 they signed up for little brothers and the result is known. In 1936, volunteers from the USSR helped a very similar time. Partners pull us in another pool
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 10: 39 New
      -5
      Quote: vetor
      In 1936, volunteers from the USSR helped Spain

      In Spain, the assistance was more technical and, so to speak, ideological. There were no Soviet “volunteers” in the Inter-Brigades, the EMNIP.
      Quote: vetor
      Partners pull us in another pool

      dialectics laughing
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 11: 11 New
        +6
        Quote: Bluesman
        In Spain, the assistance was more technical and, so to speak, ideological. There were no Soviet “volunteers” in the Inter-Brigades, the EMNIP.

        Colleague, it’s impossible to minus you, you are not to blame for your complete ignorance of recent history. You can only sympathize with the fact that you studied at DAM school. Sorry, but your statement borders on some inadequacy.
        Do not be offended, colleague, about the absence of your guilt, I am absolutely serious. These are the consequences of education reform.
        I have the honor, colleague. hi
        1. Bluesman
          Bluesman 8 December 2015 11: 44 New
          -5
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          You are not to blame for your complete ignorance of recent history.

          Your condescension touched to tears ...colleague.
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          Don't be offended

          take offense at what? You do not own the subject sufficiently, as I see. I repeat - in The brigades Soviet "volunteers" did not fight. Refute the document and then talk about educational reforms. And I do not consider it true to consider “volunteers” military experts with travel certificates of the People’s Commissariat of Defense. Incidentally, I did not claim that our specialists did not take part in the Civil War.
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          Sorry, but your statement borders on some inadequacy.

          so-so .. "inadequacy" .. very interesting
          about. If you are so adequate - share it.
          1. CONTROL
            CONTROL 8 December 2015 12: 41 New
            -1
            Quote: Bluesman
            I repeat - in The brigades Soviet "volunteers" did not fight. Refute the document and then talk about educational reforms.

            ... And why - to refute? Here I am - old ... and (alas, I was ...) was familiar with 2 volunteers from the USSR who fought in the Inter-Brigades in Spain! not military experts! One is a tractor driver from Dagestan (he looked like a Spaniard ...), the other is Smolensky, an agronomist, a typical Rusak! Both have died ...
          2. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 12: 55 New
            +2
            Quote: Bluesman
            Soviet "volunteers" did not fight in the Inter-Brigades. Refute the document and then talk about educational reforms. And I do not consider it true to consider “volunteers” military experts with travel certificates of the People’s Commissariat of Defense. Incidentally, I did not claim that our specialists did not take part in the Civil War.

            Allow me, colleague, only the beginning of the list of pilots:

            Gritsevets Sergey Ivanovich 30 (6 + 24) 88 42 More (10 + 2) in Mongolia
            Lakeev Ivan Alekseevich 28 (12 + 16) 312 50 Total 36 (16 + 20) victories in the course of 3 wars.
            Rychagov Pavel Vasilievich 22 (8 + 14) 80+ 20+ Died October 28.10.1941, XNUMX
            Bobrov Vladimir Ivanovich 17 (4 + 13) 100+? According to other sources, he had 17 (13 + 4) victories.
            Sklyarov Victor Dmitrievich 16 (7 + 9)? ? Killed 30.12.1937/XNUMX/XNUMX
            Evseviev Ivan Ivanovich 16 (4 + 12)? ?
            Serov Anatoly Konstantinovich 15 (8 + 7) 180 38 According to other sources, he had 11 (4 + 7) victories.
            Akulenko Prokopiy Semenovich 13 (6 + 7) 250+? Another 5 (?) In the Second World War.
            Stepanov Andrey Mikhailovich 13 (4 + 9) 78 17 Another 3 (?) In Mongolia. Died April 15.04.1942, XNUMX
            Stepanov Evgeny Nikolaevich 12 (8 + 4) 80 16 in Mongolia - 3 +?
            Eremenko Ivan Trofimovich 12 (?) 348? According to other sources, he had (9 +?) Victories.
            Denisov Serge

            In general, with all due respect to the colleagues on the site, you caused me the first negative feelings. Hats will no longer be with respect to you. TEACH HISTORY, son.
  50. Karabin
    Karabin 8 December 2015 10: 46 New
    +4
    The growth rate of the Russian economy over a long period of 1890 - 1914. were the highest among all 5 leading industrial states of the world.

    If the author urges to learn the lessons of history, then the growth figures should be supported by something substantial. In the zero we also grew, so what? Oil prices fell and recession without any revolution. And this despite the fact that the partners did not impose sanctions on the present. (SWIFT, components for equipment, consumables, medicines, etc.). Again, the growth percentage is a tricky thing. I dug up 10 bags of potatoes, and my neighbor 100. Next year I’m 11, and my neighbor 101. I’ve got 10% growth, and my neighbor’s 1%. At the same time, I take seeds and a shovel from a neighbor, and not for that. I have something to be proud of?
    1. Bluesman
      Bluesman 8 December 2015 10: 51 New
      -3
      Quote: Karabin
      In the zero we also grew, so what? Oil prices fell

      Ulyukaev said that we were about to start growing again. Stocks "Rastishki" enough.
      1. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 11: 18 New
        +3
        Quote: Bluesman
        Ulyukaev said that we were about to start growing again. Stocks "Rastishki" enough.

        Colleague, believe me, I sincerely wish you to become interesting to the community of the site, But the link to Ulyukaev will again throw you back. Well, Ulyukaev is not popular, believe my colleague. And the grounds for his unpopularity in the community are well founded. hi
        1. Bluesman
          Bluesman 8 December 2015 11: 49 New
          -4
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          Colleague, believe me, I sincerely wish you to become interesting to the community of the site, But the link to Ulyukaev will again throw you back.

          Your mentoring, comrade political instructor, is a little boring. And this smiley with a hat ...
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          And the grounds for his unpopularity in the community are well founded.

          laughing made laugh about
          Quote: Vladimir 1964
          unpopularity in the community
          That is, apparently, you consider yourself a local pop star?
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 12: 30 New
            +1
            Quote: Bluesman
            Your mentoring, comrade political instructor,

            I can’t add anything else, after your comment. Politruks, a colleague, were in the Great Patriotic War, and thank God all my service in the army was a commander. And interestingly, I never had, thank God, a political officer, for IT was laid down, from the calculation, starting with 75 people. In reconnaissance - 69. And in the subsequent service, they did not have to deal with them solely because the intelligence agencies were small in structure, with the exception of the Special Forces, and there, again, from practice, they either “political” or “VACANT”. soldier
            1. Vladimir 1964
              Vladimir 1964 8 December 2015 14: 21 New
              +2
              Quote: Vladimir 1964
              I can’t add anything else, after your comment. Politruks, a colleague, were in the Great Patriotic War, and thank God all my service in the army was a commander. And interestingly, I never had, thank God, a political officer, for IT was laid down, from the calculation, starting with 75 people. In reconnaissance - 69. And in the subsequent service, they did not have to deal with them solely because the intelligence agencies were small in structure, with the exception of the Special Forces, and there, again, from practice, they either “political” or “VACANT”.


              I would like to know the opinion of the "minus signer," honestly, from the bottom of my heart. Just why, your opinion does not coincide with mine. And, really, nothing more. soldier