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Cinema and the Germans

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To be honest, I don’t like new-fashioned films about the war due to the fact that the works that have been made on this topic do not really correspond to reality. For some reason, many current directors and screenwriters do not particularly bother to search for the truth, but are engaged in frank myth-making. They believe that it is their sacred duty to necessarily reflect the realities of the “bloody Stalinist regime,” and their works must include pathologically cowardly special people and stupid evil executioners from the NKVD, opposed by cultural and noble prisoners, “penal,” and other illegally affected unrecognized geniuses. On the twenty-second of June 2012, on the Day of Memory and Grief, one of the Russian federal channels was shown a film made in the best traditions of anti-Soviet chernukha of perestroika times, under the ridiculous name “Serving the Soviet Union”. It makes no sense in this article to dwell on its artistic features, discuss the game of actors, the work of the operator, and so on, this is a separate topic. However, for the sake of truth, it should be noted that the case, remotely similar to the plot, beaten in this picture, really was. But the events that happened in the summer of 1941 on the Kola Peninsula, in reality, developed exactly the opposite.


The offensive plan on the Murmansk sector of the Northern Front was developed by the German command in January 1941. It bore the romantic name “Silberfuchs” (Silver Fox) and consisted of several stages. The first stage of the operation was codenamed “Rentier” (Reindeer) and envisaged the capture by the mountain rangers of the Petsamo region (Pechengi) with its nickel developments. The second stage, “Platinfuchs” (Platinum Fox), served as the development of the initial German offensive in the Murmansk direction through Titovka and Ura-Guba. Further implementation of this plan involved the exit of German-Finnish troops to the White Sea coast and the capture of Arkhangelsk. The third stage of this operation, Polarfuchs (Arctic fox), was supposed to be carried out simultaneously with the second stage and assumed the advance of one of the mountain rifle divisions directly on Murmansk and the Northern base fleet Polyarny village, as well as the promotion and exit of German and Finnish units east of Kemijärvi.

The Soviet 14th Army opposing the Germans consisted of 4 rifle divisions, one tank the division, in July 1941, transferred to the defense of Leningrad, and the 23rd fortified area - a total of 52,6 thousand personnel, 1150 guns and mortars, 392 tanks. The 1st mixed air division supported the ground forces from the air, ships covered from the sea and aviation Northern Fleet - 8 destroyers, 7 patrol ships, 15 submarines, 116 aircraft. The 14th Army was commanded by Lieutenant General V. A. Frolov, and the Northern Fleet was led by Vice Admiral A. G. Golovko.

The German mining corps "Norway" consisted of 2-x German and one Finnish mining and chasseurs divisions, 1-th mountain-rifle brigade, 2-x tank battalions - just 97 thousand people, 1037 guns and mortars, 106 tanks. The corps was supported by the Luftwaffe 5 Air Fleet, as well as the Finnish Air Force, which included about 500 combat aircraft. From the sea, the German squadrons of Kriegsmarine, which consisted of destroyers, several submarines and boats, were to assist the German troops. The commander of the mountain-rifle corps was Hitler's favorite, the general of mountain troops, Edouard Dietl.

By the way, comparing the strength of the opposing sides and analyzing the further course of the hostilities, we can dispel another false myth of the “great strategists” from the paper and electronic media - that the Germans fought only due to the leadership talents of their officers and generals, the fighting qualities of soldiers and equipment , that is, not by number, but by skill. And the Red Army, on the contrary, could have won, only by “covering the Germans with the corpses of their soldiers.” But here at these notebooks lies a misfire: if the Germans did not have overwhelming numerical superiority in the North, then they didn’t have any outstanding success.

The beginning of the offensive of the German-Finnish troops was determined by the command of the Wehrmacht in the period from June 29 to July 1 1941 year. One of the most powerful groups was aimed at the capital of the Soviet Arctic, the city of Murmansk. The Germans rightly expected to reach the western shore of the Kola Bay by the shortest route in a few days. Knowing for certain that the war with Germany could not be avoided, the Soviet government began to strengthen its borders, including in the north. Since in the conditions of the Far North it is impossible to create a solid line of defense, defensive points were quickly equipped at the proposed enemy advance sites. In the district of r. Starting from June 1940, the sappers set about building a fortified area that included several reinforced concrete pillboxes erected on the most threatening sites. In the spring of 1941, at the mouth of the Titovka River, not far from the settlement of the same name, near 1000, GULAG prisoners guarded by a NKVD company, began building a field airfield. The construction of the fortified area, the equipment of frontier posts, artillery positions, roads, bridges and airfields on the Kola Peninsula was carried out at an accelerated pace, but by the start of the war most of the planned work could not be completed.


Titovka River, middle course, author photo

In 4 hours 20 minutes 29 June 1941 of the year, after half an hour of artillery preparation, the mining and hunter corps "Norway" launched an offensive. On the move, knocking down border guards of the 100 frontier detachment from positions, by the evening of the same day, the huntsmen managed to reach the Titovka River, where they occupied the defenses of the 14 Division of the Red Army. It was a very important strategic milestone, overcoming which the Germans could cut off the Soviet troops stationed on the Rybachy and Middle Peninsulas. The German attack on the main line of defense began on June 30 at three o'clock in the morning after an intense shelling and mortar shelling, which, however, did not bring any tangible harm to the well-sheltered Red Army men. The first stage of the battle was won by the Soviet troops: the advancing huntsmen from the 138 regiment of the 3 mining and chasseurs division were thrown back by the rifle-fire of the 93 regiment and border guards, as well as the brilliant actions of the two regimental artillery divisions given to them.

Having regrouped and having caused aircraft, the Germans at ten o'clock in the morning began a new attack, trying to cover the front of the defenders from two sides. Flocks of Ju-87 dive bombers were continuously hanging over the battlefield, mercilessly bombing and firing artillery positions, roads, bridges and suitable reserves. Tightened German artillery opened hurricane fire on the village of Titovka, where the rear of the division was located. The attacking chains of mountain rangers from the 137 regiment reached the left flank of the 14 division's defense in order to break through to the rear of the fighting forces across the South Bridge, but there they were met with fierce resistance from a battle group, which was quickly formed from different parts of the division commander Major General A. BUT. Zhurba. With the fire support of several armored cars and tankettes from the reconnaissance battalion of the division, they managed to stop the enemy offensive on this sector of the front. General Zhurba was killed in this battle. On the right flank, the bleeding units of the 95 Infantry Regiment under the command of Major SI Chernova from the last forces held back a fourfold superior enemy. In the first battalion almost all the commanders were killed, sergeants, quartermasters and even medical doctors commanded companies and platoons. The battalion commander received 10 wounds, but did not get out of battle. By evening, it became clear that the position on Titovka not hold. The 112 th regiment of the 52 division, which had thrown the carts and even the whole artillery on the way, was going on an accelerated march to the aid of the fighting. After some thought, the army commander gave the order to retreat beyond the river, having preliminarily detonated bridges and a dam. The 1 Battalion of the 95 Regiment withdrew in an orderly manner. The 2 th battalion, having noticed departing, left the position without an order and also began to retreat, the rear moved on behind them. Soon, organized waste turned into a stampede. On the only road on which the departing troops could move, German shells and mines fell in a hail. Time after time, the Nine "Junkers" nines dumped their deadly burden on crowds, carts and military equipment, increasing panic. The only road was soon clogged with damaged equipment, corpses of people and horses lay everywhere. Individual fighters and small groups tried to escape from the fire trap in a roundabout way, but on their way, detachments of saboteurs disguised in the Soviet uniform stood up.

Through the efforts of some of the current representatives of the creative intelligentsia, there is a fiction in society that the Russian emigration, who had fled from the Soviets at one time, consisted entirely of noble "Lieutenants Golitsyn and Cornets of Obolensky," the elite of society, sick of the people and so on. In the documentary book “Titovskii Border”, the Murmansk historian and local historian M. G. Oreshet cites the story of a local woman who escaped from the Germans, who accidentally bumped into such a group of saboteurs consisting of Russian émigrés: “She stopped, unable to understand what happened: on the road in regular rows , head to head, socks to socks, lay the Red Army. They had heads and gymnasts in their blood. Near on stones - the torn apart corpses of three officers. Not far away, on the bank of the stream sat another group of Red Army men. Recovering from the shock, she approached them.

“There are many, many dead,” a woman told them with a hand behind her back.

- And you, lady, wanted them to be alive? Asked the big man in sergeant uniform. - But we killed them!

- How? Are you Russians?

“You are right.” Here we hang the Bolsheviks, and you will be Russian. In the meantime, the Jews ... ”The Russian-speaking Hitler toadies attempted to first rape the unfortunate woman, and when the attempt failed, they took her to execution. However, she miraculously managed to slip away from the unwanted "liberators of Russia" and get to hers.


Destroyed by the bomb the power plant on the river. Titovka, author photo

In pursuit of the retreating Soviet troops, the German mountain arrows reached the outskirts of the village of Titovka, near which the construction of an airfield was carried out by the prisoners of GULAG. Despite the bombing and shelling, escorts and prisoners remained in place, awaiting the arrival of the transport vessel. They hoped to take the car fleet by sea, consisting of fifty cars, tractors, other construction equipment and evacuate themselves. Upon detection of the approaching rangers, prisoners were ordered to independently leave in the direction of West Litsa. The guard in full force advanced to meet the enemy, giving people the opportunity to get out of the blow. Suddenly, after encountering resistance from the NKVD, organized by the company, the Germans from the 137 Mountain Regiment of the Chasseurs stopped pursuing the broken parts of the 95 Regiment, and deployed in battle order, they entered the battle. The prisoners, along with the civilian refugees who joined them from Titovka and the coastal settlements, moved through the hills and swamps to the east. According to eyewitnesses, they retreated much more organized than many military units and were even able to take with them some of the machines and equipment, managing to carry them literally on their hands on the roads to the West Person factory. “Despite the absence of the guards, the repressed orderly retreated to the Western Person. None of them surrendered, remained with the enemy, ”Admiral V.I. writes about this in his memoirs. Platonov. Their further fate has developed safely. All prisoners were transported by sea to Polyarny. From there, former prisoners fit for military service voluntarily went to the front, making the backbone of the famous Polar Division of the people's militia that had been formed in Murmansk. The fate of security has developed tragically. The Germans managed to push aside from the airfield and surround the soldiers who had no combat experience. Having organized a counterattack, the surviving Soviet soldiers broke through the constricted ring. After suffering heavy losses, the security officers made their way to the village of Titovka, where, as they believed, our troops were to be located. However, by this time the Soviet units had already left there, and a handful of soldiers of the convoy company of the troops of the NKVD of the USSR entered their last battle against a whole regiment of mountain rangers.

Even a superficial examination of just two days of fighting in a remote area of ​​the Soviet-German front completely overthrows many of the favorite stamps of professional falsifiers. stories from art. And that unfortunate movie? Well, he will take a worthy place on the shelf in a series of unscientific fiction or simply lies about the Great Patriotic War, where the “Finebat”, “Four days in May” and other “Scum” have been gathering dust for a long time. I dare to hope that such pseudo-historical delights, which give way to the indefatigable fantasy of scriptwriters and directors, will still be removed in the future without state support, that is, not with you and our money - the money of law-abiding Russian taxpayers.
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  1. Good cat
    Good cat 8 December 2015 07: 02 New
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    Recently, they hired a lot of junk about the war, it’s impossible to watch ..
    1. Vend
      Vend 8 December 2015 09: 49 New
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      Quote: Good cat
      Recently, they hired a lot of junk about the war, it’s impossible to watch ..

      That's right, it's impossible to watch. Hackwork. However, different people were cowards, and brave men, and posers, and politicians. In any kind of troops.
    2. qwert
      qwert 8 December 2015 10: 30 New
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      "I dare to hope that such pseudo-historical delights, which give way to the irrepressible fantasy of screenwriters and directors, will still be filmed without the support of the state in the future, that is, not for our money - the money of law-abiding Russian taxpayers."

      Eh, I would be optimistic about the author. hi But, it doesn’t work out in any way, to believe that the times of spitting on the glorious past of our Motherland will end. The fact is that it is impossible to criticize the past era and at the same time admire it. That is why, while cooling down the Soviet past, it was also necessary to smear the heroism, decency, and selflessness of the military era. I do not see the other meaning of replicating in huge numbers of libel about Soviet soldiers and partisans. Americans come up with heroes if there are no real ones. And we have real smear with dirt. request
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 8 December 2015 12: 15 New
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        Actually, when films like "Penal Battles", "Bastards", etc. are filmed in our country, and even with "sovereign money" - with "state support" I would have taken off my rose-colored glasses a long time ago and realized that something what is rendered and shown there is fully supported by modern state structures and is the basis of the modern ideology of Russia. I am amazed at the surprise (I apologize for the pun-ha-ha) experienced by the people of the "old Soviet school" who are faced with this new ideology and I am tempted to ask them, have you forgotten that the USSR is gone? Have you forgotten that you now live in capitalist Russia, a formation based on the exploitation of man by man? Have you forgotten the times when, having read "Solzhenitsyn" and "Ogonyok", you gladly pushed at demonstrations and enthusiastically destroyed your state-USSR: some with your deeds, others with your inaction? If you didn’t want to live under socialism, live now under capitalism with all its "charms" and do not cry that you don’t like it or that. Don't like something? as our President says, if you don't like something, then go to .... court. Haha.
        1. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 8 December 2015 15: 40 New
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          Again, it should be divided - not all modern films about the war are so bad (inaccurate and offensive). On account of "Penal Battalion" I will not agree, and "Bastards" should not have been shot - a film. But you must admit that there are still fewer such harmful films now than there were 10 - 15 years ago. I would not have a fever, everything is going as it should, bad films will soon be forgotten, some of our filmmakers will be denied access to money from NGOs. There is such a dock. the film "The Truth About Elimination or Marshal Zhukov against Odessa Bandits" (directed by Maxim Feitelberg). When I watched it, I realized that this film was made for the sake of a single phrase, as Zhukov tearfully asks Stalin to spare him. You can draw conclusions yourself.
          1. Pomeranian
            8 December 2015 17: 23 New
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            What impressed you so much about Penal Battalion? Sprawling cranberries, albeit soundly removed? From a historical point of view, the informational content of this film is zero.
          2. Pomeranian
            8 December 2015 17: 23 New
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            What impressed you so much about Penal Battalion? Sprawling cranberries, albeit soundly removed? From a historical point of view, the informational content of this film is zero.
          3. Bgerl
            Bgerl 8 December 2015 18: 47 New
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            They shoot less harmful films, but anyway, in the end, some kind of nonsense turns out. Are there really not enough stories from the Second World War for normal epic paintings, albeit with some artistic fiction. The budgets of some paintings are far from small.
            And about "Penal Battalion" - a very harmful film. Filmed really for the present (only for the present) times soundly. Because of this goodness, some people, especially those who are younger or not very keen on history, have a feeling of "truthfulness." And then everything was as usual - some heroic thieves and criminals fought in penal battalions, of which the entire Red Army consisted almost without exception, but the rest were hiding from evil and stupid special officers, the NKVD, etc.
          4. avt
            avt 8 December 2015 19: 16 New
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            Quote: Starley from the South
            account of "Penal Battalion"

            Rare bullshit that has nothing to do with reality. Just look and find who exactly got into the penal battalion, and who got into the penal company, and at the same time WHOM exactly the command staff were staffed, and at the same time look for what the commandant's barrages were like and what exactly they were doing in general.
      2. Sirocco
        Sirocco 9 December 2015 03: 21 New
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        Quote: qwert
        And we have the real smeared with dirt.

        You pay attention to the fact that article 4 minuses were slapped, there are liberals among us, and probably the servants of the law (there are some) who believe that the film Bastards, At an unnamed height, is even nothing.
        As I have repeatedly said on this subject, these films are probably funded from the criminal environment in order to heroize the criminals who were the fifth column (robbed, killed, stolen) during the Second World War.
        Now about the directors making these films.
        Now in Russia there is not a single normal young director. Not. Talents are leaving us (E. Ryazanov) and thieves are taking their place.
        7 years ago, being in the Sverdlovsk region, he witnessed the filming of the film, as always gang warfare, mercy, helicopters and more. So I watched the young director, like a capricious girl, everyone around him was scampering, the chairs were set up, in general they cuddled, and they repeated all the phrases behind him like an echo. Ugly, by golly. Recalled a scene from the Fifth Element, Ruby Rood, interviewed. Something like this.
      3. Sirgrey
        Sirgrey 9 December 2015 04: 15 New
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        Quote: qwert
        But, it doesn’t work in any way, to believe that the times of spitting on the glorious past of our Motherland will end

        Domestic cinema about the war develops in two ways: about superheroes in the style of Rambo soaking the fascists and historically reliable. 3rd way American-French comedies about fascist idiots.
        So, it will not be possible to shoot historically reliable films without critical moments. And treat them not as spitting, but as facts. Ugly, nasty but facts.
        I remember our b / w film from the 70s about the war, when a young lieutenant barely managed to stop a "Yakut" hunter who went to hunt an elephant in a Berlin zoo.
        Or for example, that losses of 30% of personnel were considered appropriate even during the Berlin operation
    3. MrK
      MrK 8 December 2015 19: 40 New
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      I agree with the Good Cat. I will supplement it.
      Let's compare that over the last 15 years, it was shot about the Great Patriotic War in the USA and in Russia.
      To begin with, we list American films.
      1998 year. "Save Private Ryan." The film is patriotic to the bone. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      1998 year. "Thin red line." Americans depicted as heroes.
      2001 year. The series "Brothers in Arms". Shows the combat path of the 5th company of the 101th US airborne division. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      2002 year. Talking to the Wind. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      2006 year. "Flags of our fathers." Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      2010 year. "Pacific Theater". Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      2012 year. The Red Tails. The story of an American fighter squadron in which black American pilots fight. Not the friendship of nations, but its beginning. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      2014 year. "Fury." Feature film about the crew of the Sherman tank in Germany in the last month of World War II in Europe. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      2014 year. Unbroken. Americans are portrayed as heroes.
      But what was filmed in Russia at the same time:
      2004 year. The series "Shtrafbat". Soviet soldiers are depicted as cattle.
      2005 year. "The last battle of Major Pugachev." Soviet people are depicted as cattle.
      2006 year. "Bastards." Soviet people are depicted as cattle.
      2011 year. “Burnt by the Sun-2. Citadel". In two parts. Fighters of the Red Army are shown by a crowd of cattle, commanders and political workers - villains, freaks and alcoholics.
      2012 year. "4 days in May." A fictional episode about the attempted mass rape by Russian soldiers of the inhabitants of a German shelter for the blind in May 1945. Soviet soldiers are depicted as cattle.
      2012 year. "Match". The film is artistic. Filmed for the 70 anniversary of the "death match" in Kiev. Soviet people are depicted as cattle.
      But on this rabid anti-Russian propaganda did not stop.
      I will quote fragments of the discussion of the series shown on the main TV channel of Russia - ORT in 2015: “Finished showing a film about Orlova and Alexandrov. In the series, Stalin and Beria look like two Kremlin sadist-villains, two maniacs who only think: how to shoot someone else, poison or concoct a business. And both, of course, pester Orlova. This is what idiots we should consider as spectators to believe such nonsense! ».
      There are different ways to try to “take away Victory” from the Russian people. You can just go on saying that the main thing in the defeat of fascism was played by the Americans, and most of the victims were Jews.
      But there is another, more sophisticated way - to create the dirty, disgusting, bestial appearance of World War II and the Victory itself. This is what the creators of such films do together with historians. Recent series of such films make me think that I am sitting in a country defeated by Hitler and watching a movie created by Goebbels propaganda.
      Filthy liberal intelligentsia.
      1. Pomeranian
        8 December 2015 21: 53 New
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        There is also a "wonderful" film about how a German and an Englishman exposed the insidious Russians in Poland, called "War of the Brothers". The main German hero, a cute and charming person, is played by the salad man Olivie Gruner. There ours are shown as such ghouls that it's just ...
  2. sergant89
    sergant89 8 December 2015 07: 11 New
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    I absolutely agree with you, we are waiting for "Panfilov's 28".
    1. Sirgrey
      Sirgrey 8 December 2015 22: 05 New
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      Quote: sergant89
      I absolutely agree with you, we are waiting for "Panfilov's 28".

      And why wait for him? Everyone knows that history was invented from the first to the last word to inspire the defenders of Moscow.
      So the sweat still has not figured out who to glorify the political instructor Diev or Klochkova.))
      1. Pomeranian
        8 December 2015 22: 12 New
        +1
        You see, sir, one of the greats said such words that are 100% suitable for this case. I paraphrase a little: "If this feat had not happened, then it would have been worth inventing"
        1. Sirgrey
          Sirgrey 8 December 2015 22: 29 New
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          Quote: Pomoryanin
          Some of the greats said such words that are 100% suitable for this occasion. I paraphrase a little: "If this feat had not existed, then it would have been worth inventing"

          Just do not put the cart in front of the horse.
          We won that war. And there were plenty of real feats. And the point is to inflate an invented story of which 3 participants are listed, according to official investigation - "voluntarily went over to the side of the enemy."
          A case of a police officer’s detention is indicative (I won’t even mention his name), with a newspaper clipping that he was awarded the title Hero of the Soviet Union for that fight
          1. Pomeranian
            8 December 2015 23: 20 New
            +1
            In the winter of 1941, no one knew if the USSR would win the war or not. And then they did not delve into dirty laundry. I think that they did it right.
            1. carbofo
              carbofo 9 December 2015 00: 53 New
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              Singing nobodies !!! the time will come you will have to choose how to die. Of course, if you are men, but it seems to me that not all.!
  3. Per se.
    Per se. 8 December 2015 07: 20 New
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    Demand gives rise to proposals, we now have not the people's Soviet power, but capitalism, the power of the oligarchs. Why was it necessary to change the red star in the army, rename the police to the police, these "why" are somehow connected with the emphasis on our Soviet past. Soon there will be no veterans left, and young people will be brought up on how bad it was under the communists, so that they do not want to go back to the Soviet Union, to Soviet power. However, there are directors who remain artists, making films that are not commercially available. Recently I revised the "White Tiger" by Karen Shakhnazarov, albeit the plot is mystical, but in it there is a philosophy about good and evil, about hidden fascism, the symbol of which was this "Tiger". The author of the article well expressed what he dislikes in the new Russian cinema about the war, he agrees with many things. What I like, they began to more reliably show the technique, thanks to computer graphics, forgeries - "replicas" and the lease of restored copies. By the way, in Shakhnazarov's film, if anything was depressing, it was the "Tiger" itself, even at the level of what was in "Liberation", could not be seen on T-VI. Cinema is not a theater, where, sitting on a chair, you can be made to believe that you are driving in a car, if you take on a plot where there is technology, even the most truthful story, the most talented acting of actors, will be spoiled by ridiculous props. In the case of Karen Shikhnazarov, the "Tiger" can be perceived as a mystical tank, without regard to technical reliability. I would also like to read about those films that the author considers good, if such, in his opinion, exist. The photo shows a frame from the film by Karen Shakhnazarov.
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    2. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 09: 39 New
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      If you mean relatively recent films about the Patriotic War - the Brest Fortress and in August 44th. If from the Soviet period, then there are many worthy, it makes no sense to list them all. If we evaluate from the point of view of the demonstration of genuine military equipment, then look at the "Sky of Moscow", there they even demonstrate a broken French tank. Or "Ivan Nikitin, a Russian sailor", genuine Deutsche Panzer skate. From the Brezhnev period - "At your doorstep." Lots of films, in a word.
      1. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 8 December 2015 15: 51 New
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        Quote: Pomoryanin
        Or "Ivan Nikitin, Russian sailor"

        Maybe "Ivan Nikulin, Russian sailor"?
        1. Pomeranian
          8 December 2015 17: 06 New
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          Yes, right, Nikulin. Something I reported.
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    3. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 8 December 2015 15: 50 New
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      I don't know how with certainty, but even in "Liberation" the technique is unreliable. So in the "Fire arc" (1943) we did not yet have T-34-85 tanks, which are shown in the film (they can be easily distinguished by the cannon and turret). And as for the planes - even to me, as a non-specialist, it is clear that they are not military planes, I can tell the La-5 from a sports plane.
      But, by and large, all this is not so important, in "Liberation" the main thing is not the quality of technology, but in the feelings of people, in their heroism, and technology fades into the background, or even into the background.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 8 December 2015 17: 43 New
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        Quote: Starley from the South
        I don't know how with certainty, but even in "Liberation" the technique is unreliable. So in the "Fire arc" (1943) we did not yet have T-34-85 tanks, which are shown in the film (they can be easily distinguished by the cannon and turret). And as for the planes - even to me, as a non-specialist, it is clear that they are not military planes, I can tell the La-5 from a sports plane.

        A long time ago, when I was still subscribing to the magazine "Tekhnika-Molodyozhi", in one of the issues for 197 .. I don’t remember the year 7 or 8 there was a big article about the shooting of the film "Liberation" and there were diagrams and drawings of how our T- 34 (then there were a lot of them on the move) into the German T-4 and T-6, as they imitated the shots with squibs, they also wrote that on the set there were cases when the muzzle brake knobs were blown off by shots and they flew away 30-40 meters. in one of the issues there was an article about how the Li-2 or the Douglases were being converted into DB-3F (Il-4) for filming Torpedo bombers and transport Junkers. We tried to give the technique credibility at least in the silhouette, but now you watch a film and even the awards cannot be placed correctly, then the Order of the Red Star from the commander in 1941 on the right, then the Star of the Hero and the Red Banner on the right will also be placed on the jacket. but such things hurt me and if I see, then all interest disappears, although sometimes there are good plots and acting, but such things catch on and I don't want to look further.
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 9 December 2015 18: 51 New
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          even the awards cannot be placed correctly, then the commander’s Order of the Red Star is on the right in 1941, then the Star of the Hero and the Battle Red Banner will also be placed on the tunic on the right
          Not so long ago I watched some patriotic film about the battle for Moscow, the plot may be good, I don’t remember. So there Stalin in the portrait was in a tunic with marshal epaulettes and the viewing turned into some kind of sarcastic procedure.
          I did not watch the latest version of "Quiet Don", which I love and reread several times, so as not to spoil the impressions after its announcement, in which they showed an episode of oncoming horse battle between the Reds and White Cossacks (I do not like this word). The Reds, of course, had a red flag, while the Cossacks had the Russian tricolor.
          1. ANTI.KORR.
            ANTI.KORR. 10 December 2015 02: 55 New
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            Quote: Black Colonel
            I did not watch the latest version of "Quiet Don", which I love and reread several times, so as not to spoil the impressions after its announcement, in which they showed an episode of oncoming horse battle between the Reds and White Cossacks (I do not like this word). The Reds, of course, had a red flag, while the Cossacks had the Russian tricolor.

            I watched one episode, accidentally stumbled upon it, then I realized this and there are perversions on the theme of "Quiet Don",
            after 10 minutes, almost vomited, pah, damn it. am
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          3. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 10 December 2015 04: 59 New
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            Quote: Black Colonel
            The Reds, of course, had a red flag, and the Cossacks had the Russian tricolor.

            So, because of this shot, all this "soap" was started .. 74 years of subsequent history, ugh, not the birth of a superpower ..
            Honestly fulfilled liberal order ...
          4. Pomeranian
            10 December 2015 08: 53 New
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            I will clarify that the Don Cossacks had a tricolor, but not white-blue-red, but blue-yellow-red.
          5. Pomeranian
            10 December 2015 08: 53 New
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            I will clarify that the Don Cossacks had a tricolor, but not white-blue-red, but blue-yellow-red.
          6. miv110
            miv110 4 January 2016 07: 40 New
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            If I’m not mistaken, you mean the scene imagined by Gregory (inserted by the director of the film as a symbol of what is happening), but just did not watch it carefully. It was the flag of the Don Army colors, not the Russian tricolor. And the film is good in its own way and worth watching.
      2. Alf
        Alf 8 December 2015 22: 40 New
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        Quote: Starley from the South
        I don't know how with certainty, but even in "Liberation" the technique is unreliable.

        And for the Pindocs, the reliability is already rushing. It is enough to watch films of the 50-90s. You look and don’t understand where the American tank is, and where the German one. All the difference is that one has a star on the tower, and the other has a cross. In aviation, the same thing, just look at Topgan.
    4. aleks 62 next
      aleks 62 next 9 December 2015 10: 59 New
      +1
      ..... Recently I reviewed the "White Tiger" by Karen Shakhnazarov, albeit the plot is mystical, but it contains a philosophy about good and evil, about hidden fascism, the symbol of which was this "Tiger". ...

      ..... A good film .... For thinking people ..... I saw an allegorical meaning in this film .... Compare the chronology of the film with the stages of the Second World War (the initial period, etc.) .... Much gets on its own shelves .... And the fact that "Tiger" does not look like the original is not the main thing .... A strong film .... And foreign ones are good, not only all sorts of "sergeants Ryans" .... Not so long ago I watched the film "The Last Dawn" for example .... No politics, praise, almost no painted battle scenes .... A film about a young English pilot (about 1,5 years of his life), how he turns from a romantic youth into mature pilot defending his country .... The actors correspond to their years (very young guys), and not as in our new films with plump faces and the age of "under 40" playing boys .... It's no secret that the overwhelming majority of our pilots there were 20-22 years old guys, there were almost no old ones (they were all knocked out at the beginning of the war) ...
    5. bondarencko
      bondarencko 10 December 2015 01: 44 New
      +3
      Chronicle of a dive bomber!
      1. ANTI.KORR.
        ANTI.KORR. 10 December 2015 03: 03 New
        +2
        "Only old men go to battle" !!!!
        I watched the premiere in Chisinau in 197. (I don’t remember) as a child, and impressions remained for life !!!!!
        1. ANTI.KORR.
          ANTI.KORR. 10 December 2015 03: 10 New
          +1
          "In war, ka in war" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          I love this movie.
  4. inkass_98
    inkass_98 8 December 2015 07: 25 New
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    I myself cannot watch films about the war released after 1989-90. The directors diligently embody either their erotic fantasies, or they work out a sickly order. And the old Mikhalkov (what was he missing?) Climbed there, and the younger Bondarchuk, and others. The American "Enemy at the Gates" is more like the truth (with well-known reservations and indispensable cliches against the USSR and its army) than many domestic remakes.
    1. Belousov
      Belousov 8 December 2015 09: 07 New
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      How was Mikhalkov missing? Power and money. That's why he needs a flasher for a car? However, riding with a flasher attributed to the MO. They created some kind of company and are sawing a state-owned board with Bondarchuk, Bekmambetov and others. Yes, and teach the rest how to live.
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      2. creak
        creak 8 December 2015 09: 37 New
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        Quote: Belousov
        . That's why he needs a flasher for a car? However, riding with a flasher attributed to the MO.


        The Russian master was very unhappy when the nickname MIGALKOV was glued to him on this occasion.
        Understand, well, the aristocrat cannot ride like the rest of the lackeys ...
        So all the steam that he had in his youth blew his whistles, and now in his "skill" he has caught up with his hanger F.Bondarchuk ..
        As the old epigram says: "Earth, you hear a terrible itch, three Mikhalkov are crawling over you" ...
        1. The point
          The point 8 December 2015 13: 21 New
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          Add a few words. Rumor has it that Mikhalkov’s car has mirrors instead of icons. laughing
          And aside from jokes, remember that we have filmed with dignity about the Great Patriotic War. Personally, I liked the films "Brest Fortress", "The Dawns Here Are Quiet" (although the original film and the story itself are probably to blame here), "The Road to Berlin", which would be more honest and more correct to call "Two in the Steppe". Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad" almost turned me inside out. Better to see the German painting of the same name. Nowadays, many people simply prefer to make money. This also applies to cinema.
          PS Specially did not mention the old Soviet films, because there is nothing to compare our current cinema (for the most part) with a finger. hi
  5. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 8 December 2015 07: 46 New
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    I also don’t like new films. For me, my always beloved "Liberation" --- all films and "Shield and Sword". Older relatives say that for the sake of these Films they ran away from lessons and there were huge queues to buy a ticket. that it is impossible to spend budget money on false fakes --- I don’t believe. This was repeated many times.
    I could not dare to watch the film "we are from the future" But I liked it 2. But I categorically do not accept other films about the war and moving in time.
    1. stas-xnumx
      stas-xnumx 8 December 2015 12: 08 New
      +5
      I agree, "SHIELD and SWORD" is generally one of the most beloved films.
      1. Captain45
        Captain45 8 December 2015 17: 48 New
        +4
        Quote: stas-21127
        I agree, "SHIELD and SWORD" is generally one of the most beloved films.

        And the Saturn trilogy?
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 13 December 2015 17: 40 New
          +1
          Unfortunately, it did not happen. When I was little, I read the book "Saturn is almost invisible", Probably a film based on the book? I don’t remember the author. I also love the film based on Bogomolov’s book "Moment of Truth". I like the series from the Smersh cycle. It turned out that not in a row. Somehow I did not meet anything about them in the comments to other articles. I wonder what others think of them. I cannot understand the correctness of the details, both household and military. The older generation laughed that the road was not that , and that somewhere in the village flashed with an insulating unit. I understand that there was no glass of packages then, but it did not offend me. About glass --- they say that it was the norm in that distant socialist childhood ---- glass frozen from the inside and half a centimeter froze. Here's a completely different climate, even, and the city is the same. And the food is different. In the movie "Black Raven" they drink a can of beer in the 70s. Relatives simply could not move away from laughter. And I would not understand.
          Sincerely.
          1. andj61
            andj61 13 December 2015 17: 50 New
            +2
            Quote: Reptiloid
            About glass - they say it was the norm in that distant socialist childhood - the glass was frozen from the inside and froze half a centimeter. Here was a completely different climate, but the city was the same. And the food is different. In the movie "Black Raven" they drink a can of beer in the 70s. Relatives simply could not move away from laughter. And I would not understand.

            In villages - and not only - the frames were insulated as follows: The outer frame was sealed tightly, then litter was made of roofing material or roofing felts between the frames, 5-7 cm of sawdust was poured - almost to the level of glasses. On top - another strip of roofing felts and a strip of white paper. And very small on top, 100 g. Glass and in it 20-30g. hydrochloric or sulfuric acid: so that moisture between the windows in the acid is collected. In this case, there was practically no ice on the outer glass.
            And canned, and ours, beer was! It was called "Golden Bottom", it was produced in Moscow, but it was almost impossible to buy it, although it was very, very rare in orders. I myself managed to try it at the end of 1978. It tasted nothing special, but it was extremely cool!
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 13 December 2015 21: 24 New
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              But in my opinion, even though life is important, it’s not the main thing. Life distortions have always been and will be. Somewhere I read that in France Napoleon's theater played performances on the themes of the ancient world in costumes of the time. The same often applies to paintings by artists in times times.
              From films and books of the Socialist era, it seems that through them the state program for the Soviet education of Soviet people was carried out. From Soviet children, Soviet adults were obtained. An october, a pioneer, a Komsomolets, a communist. This line was drawn. Also about professions, about the life of people of different professions. And now this is not. Parents on their own are difficult, it is impossible to do it. This is what it is.
              It also turns out that entire layers of Soviet culture disappear somewhere without a trace. In fact, I often communicate with young people who are interested in it. I myself was somehow lucky that, despite moving, children's books of that time were delayed at home. some albums on the art of socialist realism survived. Regards.
  6. Basil50
    Basil50 8 December 2015 07: 54 New
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    Today, anti-Stalinism and Russophobia are the basis of the political physiognomy * of democrats and tiligents *. Remember the old tradition? All democratizers and bearers of Western culture, those who tried to colonize what remained after the collapse of the RUSSIAN EMPIRE, and those who later in the ranks of the Nazis carried * liberation *. Irresponsibility and arrogance are the basis of all such * figures *. For them, Russophobia is an opportunity to join the * world trend * and through betrayal they seem to have joined the world elite, if only in the * West * they have noticed and noted.
    1. Sirgrey
      Sirgrey 9 December 2015 05: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Vasily50
      Today, anti-Stalinism and Russophobia are the basis of the political physiognomy * of democrats and tiligents *.

      Oh how) But do you need to shoot Prostalin films with the main character a purebred Russian, right from the plow?
    2. bondarencko
      bondarencko 10 December 2015 01: 50 New
      +1
      ETERNAL CALL.
  7. Military Builder
    Military Builder 8 December 2015 08: 02 New
    +7
    I agree with the author, they are filming complete sucks, although recently, as it seemed to me, the "Jewish hero" disappeared from the films, we used to laugh at the Russians in American films for not matching clothes, but now ours are doing the same, and already it’s not funny at all, in my opinion, there are two good films: "in August 44" (there is a minus, it was crumpled, apparently the budget was small), and "Brest Fortress" - though these films are Belarusian, and not Russian
  8. parusnik
    parusnik 8 December 2015 08: 08 New
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    Thanks to the author .. excellent article ...
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 09: 53 New
      +3
      Yes please. wink
    2. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 09: 53 New
      +1
      Yes please. wink
    3. ANTI.KORR.
      ANTI.KORR. 10 December 2015 03: 13 New
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      Thanks to the author .. excellent article ...

      Keep!
      To the author +100500 good
  9. Support
    Support 8 December 2015 08: 11 New
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    And stupid jambs of directors in the form of clean tunics, scratched helmets and figs knows what kind of military equipment is involved in battles. It would be ridiculous, but this is our story, and it is already with us that they begin to bane a la patriots -> patriots from intillezheniya ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 13: 31 New
      +3
      Quote: Prop
      And stupid jambs of directors in the form of clean tunics, scratched helmets and figs knows what kind of military equipment is involved in battles. It would be funny, but this is our story, and

      Or vice versa - our quilted jackets and sleek Germans are outfitted as if in the yard of 2000 - this is also being debugged in the subconscious of youth and from here they begin to believe that we won only by laying corpses on the floor of Europe ...
    2. bondarencko
      bondarencko 10 December 2015 01: 52 New
      +1
      So there starring movie stars and film stars!
  10. Gray 43
    Gray 43 8 December 2015 08: 12 New
    +8
    Thanks to the author for the article! The battle in the North is poorly covered, and this article requires a different name for its content, another page of our glorious history, I hope that a true film will be shot about it
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 09: 59 New
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      I just used the phrase "cinema and the Germans" as a designation of absurdity, stupidity, absurdity. After this film, Max Averin died for me as an actor. As did Guskov after the absurd "days in May". Money is money, but to act in a frank crap and remain a decent person after that?
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 8 December 2015 10: 44 New
        +7
        And why should they remain "decent people" when the main task is to make money without bothering to figure out the veracity of the script. They don't even have such thoughts, like the same actors from "Penal Battalion". Unfortunately, now there are practically no "Vereshchagins from cinema", who are offended for the State.
    2. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 09: 59 New
      +1
      I just used the phrase "cinema and the Germans" as a designation of absurdity, stupidity, absurdity. After this film, Max Averin died for me as an actor. As did Guskov after the absurd "days in May". Money is money, but to act in a frank crap and remain a decent person after that?
      1. perm23
        perm23 8 December 2015 10: 37 New
        +4
        And what do you want from these artists. For them there is nothing sacred - except money. They are ready to do anything if only to pay. Therefore, in the advertising of all rubbish climb. They just pay them everything. Such a nature - called a scoundrel.
        1. Pomeranian
          8 December 2015 11: 15 New
          +7
          So it’s sad that in Russia heroes and crooks are now heroes .. I’m preparing an article about how Laima Makarevich and Andrei Vaikule caused irreparable damage to the Russian population of Pomerania.
        2. Pomeranian
          8 December 2015 11: 15 New
          +1
          So it’s sad that in Russia heroes and crooks are now heroes .. I’m preparing an article about how Laima Makarevich and Andrei Vaikule caused irreparable damage to the Russian population of Pomerania.
          1. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 8 December 2015 13: 27 New
            +3
            Quote: Pomoryanin
            Laima Makarevich and Andrei Vaikule caused irreparable damage to the Russian population of Pomerania.

            Great PR laughing , already intrigued to read with pleasure, I hope at the same level as this article. An excellent article is a good message to the present from history ..
          2. bondarencko
            bondarencko 10 December 2015 01: 56 New
            +1
            In Latvian it is correct "Vaikulis".
  11. Gray 43
    Gray 43 8 December 2015 08: 12 New
    +5
    Thanks to the author for the article! The battle in the North is poorly covered, and this article requires a different name for its content, another page of our glorious history, I hope that a true film will be shot about it
  12. Born in USSR
    Born in USSR 8 December 2015 08: 14 New
    +9
    Our elite is oriented to the west. So it was commanded from Tsar Petit 1. Well, the rest there, after 91, the worship continues, they remove that they will say there rather they will give money. Well, the tsar, the emirator of all Russia, froze in his greatness. However, he also films for the elite, so to speak, for the people of cinema, he has not been making films for a long time. Well, about the dreamers of democracy, then, according to their understanding, the war was won by noble urki, convicts and political prisoners. Which in jeeps playing harmonica, singing the noble chanson about the thieves' share, took Berlin.
  13. AX
    AX 8 December 2015 08: 25 New
    +9
    Sometimes I just want to ask "our" new builders - WHY?
    1. mishastich
      mishastich 8 December 2015 09: 26 New
      +1
      For grants.
      1. AX
        AX 8 December 2015 09: 30 New
        +5
        Money and money again ... It's all clear. And conscience? Do they have it?
        1. mishastich
          mishastich 8 December 2015 10: 19 New
          +1
          You yourself can easily answer this question if they do this, do they have a conscience or not?
    2. Bator
      Bator 9 December 2015 14: 13 New
      0
      Yes for the dough, but for him darling.
  14. lilian
    lilian 8 December 2015 09: 23 New
    +7
    Indeed, an interesting and inexplicable result. When there were bans, the censorship of the intelligentsia for some reason worked more fruitfully. How many remarkable achievements remained from the Great Country in the field of literature and cinema.
    And now I have almost developed a reflex, as soon as I see that a Russian-made film turns it off.
    Poor Sasha, Features of the national ..., Hotabych, Storm gates. I can’t remember most of the ones I liked.
    And good documentaries are shot in Russia. Studio Wings of Russia, Star Media and the film "Happy People".
    1. cth; fyn
      cth; fyn 8 December 2015 10: 03 New
      +4
      But I like the unknown war, it’s interesting to hear how they talk about the Second World War overseas.
      1. Spitfire
        Spitfire 8 December 2015 14: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: cth; fyn
        But I like the unknown war, it’s interesting to hear how they talk about the Second World War overseas.


        if this documentary had been shown there, it would have been even better. And the film is good, I haven't missed a single episode. And to be honest, I absolutely agree with most commentators - they are filming rare nonsense. I tried to remember what I liked about the fairly recent feature films about the war - and, to my own surprise, I realized that it was an American film. "Sahara" 1995. With James Belushi. Like this. And please do not minus without looking ;-)
  15. Polkovodetz
    Polkovodetz 8 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +6
    Many thanks to the author! This truth stands across the throat of all current liberalists. How much they have been isolated, how much mockery and hatred, but the truth still lives.
    There would be more such articles, one must know and love his story.
  16. vovan50
    vovan50 8 December 2015 09: 35 New
    +3
    Compared to Soviet films about the war and not only, current crafts cause a feeling of deep disgust.
  17. Stas57
    Stas57 8 December 2015 10: 05 New
    +3
    And that ill-fated movie? Well, he will take a worthy place on the shelf in a series of unscientific fiction or simply lies about the Great Patriotic War, where the “Shtrafbat”, “Four days in May” and other “Bastards” have been gathering dust for a long time. I dare to hope that such pseudo-historical delights that give way to the indefatigable imagination of scriptwriters and directors will still be removed without state support, that is, not for our money - the money of law-abiding Russian taxpayers.

    to be honest, I haven’t even heard so much film slag removed that at least a howl.
    But the "Road to Berlin" by the way, nothing.

    that the Germans fought only due to the military talents of their officers and generals, the fighting qualities of soldiers and equipment, that is, not by numbers, but by skill. But the Red Army, on the contrary, could win only by "filling the Germans with the corpses of its soldiers." But here, at these notebook liars, a misfire comes out: if the Germans did not have overwhelming numerical superiority in the North, then they did not have any outstanding successes.

    the specifics of the front, although the options both proving and disproving this thesis are complete, and not uncommon with the same opponents.
    nevertheless, war is more complicated than a two-dimensional framework - filled with corpses / fought with a skill.
  18. cth; fyn
    cth; fyn 8 December 2015 10: 06 New
    +2
    It is necessary to take an example from Hollywood, for example, Furi, an excellent film was shot not to be scolded, authentically beautiful, etc. the only plot let us down, but this compensates for the action! And in ours there is no plot or action, work at the level of film college students.
    1. WUA 518
      WUA 518 8 December 2015 10: 26 New
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      Quote: cth; fyn
      like Fury, great movie made

      It’s a matter of course of taste, but I looked at Rage and forgot. And this movie is constantly revising.
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      2. creak
        creak 8 December 2015 17: 39 New
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        Quote: WUA 518
        but I Rage looked and forgot. And this movie is constantly revising.


        No wonder, because the film was put on the story of the same name by Kurochkin, who commanded, if I am not mistaken, a tank company. The man knew what he was writing about - and, of course, a wonderful acting ensemble.
        And I remember, probably, the not-so-famous film "Torpedo Bombers" just about the war in the North - about the pilots of the Northern Fleet ... Everything is like in life - both tragic and funny ...
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 8 December 2015 20: 03 New
          +7
          Quote: ranger
          And I remember, perhaps, the not-so-famous film "Torpedo Bombers" about the war in the North - about the pilots of the Northern Fleet ...
          There is also a very good film about the war in the North - "Twice Born" (1983), if you suddenly did not watch it, I highly recommend it.
  19. moskowit
    moskowit 8 December 2015 10: 14 New
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    All these are links in one chain, a bourgeois-oligarchic coup. Russian national identity and culture are being deliberately killed. The school curriculum has changed. TV channels are crammed with vulgarity and clones of other people's programs. Many layers of history have been completely forgotten. and, on the contrary, the necessary authorities are emphasized, interpreted and illuminated in the context necessary for the authorities by venal "political scientists", "historians" and other apologists of real European "democratic" values. And at this time, these pseudo-historians, not only trumpet for the sake of "sponsors" from across the hill, but also condone the burning, destruction and destruction of national shrines. am am am
  20. Epifan
    Epifan 8 December 2015 10: 19 New
    +3
    In the cinema have not yet come out of the late 80's. Watering and blackening, that's all kino. But if it's for state money, then you need to ask strictly. "Banquet" at your own expense, please.
  21. Military Builder
    Military Builder 8 December 2015 10: 32 New
    +2
    Quote: lilian
    Thunderstorm Gate

    about the Chechen war there is also a good film "I Have the Honor!"
  22. perm23
    perm23 8 December 2015 10: 33 New
    +6
    The correct article. A lot of filmmakers and greyhounds. Sitting today in a warm office, drinking coffee at a computer, they decide that they understand and know how everything was in the war, how it was necessary to fight. They themselves draw all this knowledge from nowhere (OBS - one woman said). Well, or rightly said, they get info from friends from abroad. The main thing is to show that we won with great blood, against very smart and civilized Germans. What they think is in vain. The main thing is to discredit the great merits of Russia in every possible way, so that we no longer remember this, we become ashamed, and then we are nobody. Then Russia, which has forgotten its history, can be broken. What has already happened to Ukraine. We need to know about this and properly educate our children.
  23. Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 8 December 2015 11: 10 New
    +4
    Great article! I completely agree with the author.
  24. Kim Klimov
    Kim Klimov 8 December 2015 11: 19 New
    +6
    In fact, if you count all the post-war films (not counting the films released during the war) about World War II both in the USSR, and in Hollywood, and in the countries participating in that war, then German soldiers (mostly) and their allies are constantly "crumble" about 1: 10, if not more. In all films, in the overwhelming majority, this is striking. And such a presentation does not in any way correspond to the historical truth. All the more so for the true patriotic education of the younger generation. Truthfulness must be truthful. In this regard, the film "The Cranes Are Flying" was an example reflecting the truthful, with a deeply human approach to the realities of war.
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 11: 45 New
      +6
      From the Simonov trilogy "The Living and the Dead" 1st film, "Soddaty" 1956 based on Viktor Nekrasov. Nice pictures, no embellishments.
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  25. Pomeranian
    8 December 2015 11: 25 New
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    Thank you for the feedback, but for some reason no one noticed that another myth fostered by the liberal get-together about "unfortunate sufferers from the Stalinist GULAG, sleeping and seeing how to throw off a mustachioed tyrant" is crumbling like a house of cards. Being a kilometer away from the "liberators", who also had Russian-speaking (I can't call them Russians, thank you) servants, NONE of the prisoners went over to the Germans. Although, it would seem, here they are, civilized carriers of Western culture, nearby, take a step to the side and who will look for you in the hills and stones ?? And then the Polar Division, consisting of such "unfortunate victims of Stalinist repressions," forced the rangers to wash themselves in blood.
  26. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 8 December 2015 11: 58 New
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    A very relevant topic for Russia. And not only about films and not only about war. The destruction of the brains of young Russians is happening in ALL areas of the information space. Look on the street, on the TV, in the store and count how many advertisements are not in Russian and how many advertisements containing the enemy language ... It has become a TRADITION to FRAW YOUR PAST (whether it is distant or not long ago). But strangely enough, the past since 91g is ONLY PRAISED. In all media it is MANDATORY (!) A stamp of obgazhivaniya REALLY GREAT achievements of the past and an exaggeration of MICROSCOPIC and dubious achievements of the present. It is time to legally prohibit any deceitful and exaggerated negative information about the past of your people. But apparently it’s too late, the country and the whole Slavic world can’t be saved. The fate of the Indians is destined for this population.
  27. stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 8 December 2015 12: 11 New
    +3
    YES, I don’t like modern films either, they are very pretended, I don’t believe in the plot, an exception in my opinion: Brest Fortress, Belarus, everything is more or less true there, and so, we raise children on those films.
  28. AAV
    AAV 8 December 2015 12: 16 New
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    Thanks to the author for the article. But I want to make a small correction: Polar is not a village, but a city since 1939.

    If my memory serves me and I don’t confuse anything, then on the Musta-Tunturi ridge there is the only place where the Soviet border sign stood throughout the war.
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 12: 28 New
      +4
      It is true, with the Polar braked, guilty, realized. Yes, it was there that the famous border sign stood.
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  29. vadimtt
    vadimtt 8 December 2015 12: 41 New
    +6
    Action is not action. Take a look at the "Come and See" mid-eighties and do not want any action. Despite the fact that "Fury" is quite a normal film against the background of the rest of modern Hollywood. Like Saving Private Raine and Brothers in Arms.
  30. Snail N9
    Snail N9 8 December 2015 12: 42 New
    +2
    The only normal modern film of Russian cinema about the war is "The Storm Gates". Everything else is either filmed for the "western" viewer, for all kinds of "Oscars" or ideological artifacts to support the modern state anti-communist ideology.
  31. Petrik66
    Petrik66 8 December 2015 13: 20 New
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    The topic is very correct. When you are making a film about a war, please, invite a consultant. In Soviet times, in the Odessa film studio, a bunch of military cranberries, type 6, Mercedes escapes from the pursuit, Operation Southern Thunder, etc. people didn't bother - a sacred topic for us instantly covered up any criticism of the creators. Front by front line, order to cross the border, Kovpak trilogy, etc. etc. But compared to the current "military" theme, the above films are the apotheosis of realism and historical truth. You can give a few simple tips: 1. In the active Red Army, even young summer people cut their hair either baldly or under a half-box (you know lice) 2. Women did not use makeup, only the PW in high headquarters used it. 3. Women mostly wore breeches, not mini skirts. 4. A person could not be hemmed and ironed in the trenches. The appearance of a soldier, after a week of sitting in a trench or in the forest, or in the mountains, is a very dirty, very tired, very poorly shaven, hungry man, in a very dirty and not quite whole uniform. From a stove or a fire, his eyes are red, he is covered in soot and he has dirt under his nails. Where did you see such a soldier in the Cinema ???? They fought for the Motherland - that's a movie, that's the truth. Weapon: In the German squad, only the squad leader had a submachine gun (Schmeiser)! The Germans were taught to ride motorcycles very quickly. Have you ever seen a German in a movie on a motorcycle killed or at least hit someone? It’s just a motorcycle target. The Germans have all the soldiers - SS men in masked caps, all perfectly armed and dressed with a needle, all on tanks and armored personnel carriers? Ours - on foot, even in 1945, the Red Army became more motorized in relation to the Germans, back in 1943. And the SS men at the front were no more than 15 - 20%, and then, at the very end, and not Germans, but any Eastern and Central European scum. You can continue indefinitely. And I forgot - the Germans threw over 50 agents behind our front line and they were all killed or caught by those pot-bellied NKVDShnikov cattle. Is it strange?
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 14: 04 New
      +5
      Very competent remark. In the 1941 year, privates were cut off, only officers and political workers were allowed to have their hair done. That is why the Germans for a couple of months and easily calculated the command staff of the Red Army in appearance - reset the form - do not reset. And somewhere in August, no one paid attention to haircuts, the enlisted staff went to the troops, they forgot about lice and everything else. In the Red Army, as in the Wehrmacht in the 1941 year, only the squad leader had a machine gun. Otherwise, everything is correctly written.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 8 December 2015 17: 02 New
        +3
        Quote: Pomoryanin
        In the Red Army, as in the Wehrmacht in 1941, only the squad leader had a machine gun.

        Wrong.

        We look at the staff of the infantry division No. 04 / 400-416 of April 5, 1941.
        In the rifle compartment there are 2 submachine gunners (privates) armed with submachine guns. The squad leader is armed with a self-loading rifle.

        "Commander and mlkadkom" PPs appear at the level from the platoon and above - for example, the Zakomzvod (junior commander), communications platoon commander (commander) and battalion headquarters have PPs.

        More mortars in mortars in the minotaur - 1 for each calculation.
        1. Pomeranian
          8 December 2015 17: 26 New
          +1
          I have no right to argue, but I will make a small clarification. The wartime divisions, which you indicated in the previous post, in the Red Army, if my memory serves me for 22.06.1941, there were not one.
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    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 8 December 2015 16: 55 New
      +6
      Quote: Petrik66
      The topic is raised very correct. When you make a film about the war, be kind - invite a consultant.

      At the same time, it would not hurt to listen to his advice, and not just invite for the surname in the credits. smile
      Quote: Petrik66
      4. Man could not hem and iron in the trenches. The appearance of a fighter, after a week of sitting in a trench or in a forest, or in the mountains, is a very dirty, very tired, very poorly shaven, hungry man, in very dirty and not very whole uniforms. He has red eyes from a stove or a bonfire, he is soot-covered and has dirt under his nails. Where did you see such a soldier in Cinema ????

      Exclusively in their Hollywood. smile Well, or in the HBO series of Hanks-Spielberg.
      Alas, we do not have such a hardened human being as Dale Dye and his Warriors Inc., who at the very beginning of his Hollywood career in a month brought the Platoon actors to the appearance of a "typical American soldier in the jungle of Vietnam."
    4. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 8 December 2015 18: 58 New
      0
      "Mercedes Leaving the Chase" is based on real events, but the film itself is mediocre!
    5. Starina_hank
      Starina_hank 8 December 2015 18: 58 New
      +1
      "Mercedes Leaving the Chase" is based on real events, but the film itself is mediocre!
  32. Kibl
    Kibl 8 December 2015 13: 30 New
    +2
    Loot rules, what conscience can be said, what kind of love for the motherland, what kind of memory, only DAMN !!!
  33. oleg46
    oleg46 8 December 2015 15: 09 New
    +3
    I agree with all forum users. But, as the culmination of not only a plot distortion of the then reality - often balancing on the brink of science fiction - but also frankly rude technical bloopers, I suggest that our esteemed colleagues on the forum watch the film "Breakaway" (I. Sklyar plays the main NKGB officer in it). In this "masterpiece of modern cinema" at the end of the seventh episode, there is a moment when the noble NKVD-schnick, who went over to the side of illegally convicted friends-in-arms, escapes the pursuit of the police (is it not a fantasy?); so, at the moment when the motorcycle of the person leaving the chase leaves the country road to the main road, the camera turns and in the lower right corner for 1 second (!) in all its glory a part of the human thigh is shown (almost to the waist), dressed in blue jeans and white sneakers !?! wassat
    This is just super blooper! I reviewed this moment several times, first myself, then with my brother. Who has the time, look and appreciate this masterpiece of modern cinema. You will not regret it, I'm sure. good
  34. avva2012
    avva2012 8 December 2015 15: 59 New
    +3
    A bit not about the movie. About a little over two months ago, I saw an interview with Medinsky. He voiced the figure irrevocable military losses of the USSR and Germany, it happened: 7 million. 300 thousand, and 7 million. 500 thousand (figures are rounded by me). I really like the work of Artem Drabkin, especially his cycle: "Front-line life of the Soviet infantry" by "tankers", "pilots". A wonderful series. I don't watch modern war films. Fury, what about? A movie for those who like to look at the human roast. The last battle in the tank, clearly licked from the battle of the Russian KV-1 tank, in the summer of 1941. When one tank stopped Gepner's tank group.
  35. kush62
    kush62 8 December 2015 16: 21 New
    +4
    I read all the comments, everyone, like me, does not like trash and bullshit about "heroes".
    As it is, the marshal and "strateg" with the call sign Russ have not yet made a speech. Didn't call everyone paranoid subhumans.
  36. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 8 December 2015 16: 44 New
    -7
    The article is almost entirely, let's say, a text version of the BadComedian video review of the film "I Serve the Soviet Union". Simply put, ripped off.
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 16: 48 New
      +6
      Without the first and last paragraph, the article was written in 2007. It is not known who ripped off anyone.
  37. potalevl
    potalevl 8 December 2015 16: 47 New
    +7
    Yes, indeed, in the country that was betrayed in 1991, the values ​​were different. There was no private ownership of the means of production and exploitation of man by man, but from childhood they were brought up in the spirit of love and pride for the country in general and the small homeland in particular. I remember in the third grade at the lesson of literature, or courage, for the first time I watched the film "The Story of a Real Man" on a film projector. Not everyone had televisions at that time, and films on TV were not shown as often as they are now. And now on what films are the young generation being brought up? "Bastards", "shrafbats", "cop wars" and "brigades". And all why? Because whoever is the owner calls the tune. There are no state film studios, some companies are limited and joint-stock companies. The officials of the Ministry of Culture, together with the hucksters, make a mess of the budget money, and in order to make a REAL film you have to walk through the people with an outstretched hand, and I think the hucksters will manage to pinch off this people's money. But with the money of the Moscow government, we can support television and radio companies such as Echo of Moscow, where the country is tirelessly doused with slop. By the way, the war newsreel of 1941-1943. during this period it was shown in the USA under the title "The Unknown War", and the film that was shown to us under Gorby under the title "Unknaung War" consists of cuts of the same newsreel, only with different accents and views. Because after the death of Roosevelt, the Americans set other tasks in relation to us, which they successfully implemented by the collapse of the USSR. Here is such arithmetic, you know.
    1. oleg46
      oleg46 9 December 2015 05: 44 New
      0
      Quote: potalevl
      By the way, the war newsreel of 1941-1943. during this period it was shown in the United States under the title "The Unknown War", and the film that was shown to us under Gorby under the title "Unknun Var" consists of cuts of the same newsreel, only with different accents and views

      Is there an opportunity to watch this newsreel online without cuts? If so, give me the link. Thank!
  38. Ozhogin Dmitry
    Ozhogin Dmitry 8 December 2015 16: 51 New
    +3
    Here is an old Soviet film, shot, I don’t remember anyone))) - The fate of man. The masterpiece is simple!
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    2. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 17: 04 New
      +4
      According to the story of Mikhail Sholokhov.
    3. avva2012
      avva2012 8 December 2015 17: 07 New
      +3
      Mikhail Sholokhov
  39. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 8 December 2015 17: 42 New
    +5
    I agree with the author. Good article. Little attention is paid to the Northern Front. Basically, "Local battles were fought in the remaining sectors of the front" (c) And the dawns here are quiet. I know the battles in the North, Northern convoys from the stories of front-line soldiers, marines and Red Navy men, my own uncles on the maternal side. There was no significant preponderance in l / composition and equipment in the North. The North was considered secondary and did not spoil. The more expensive is the Victory in the Arctic. There were no particularly colorful such stories. The northerners are generally reserved in emotions. Uncle told me so: they land naked on the shore. Lucky, if you killed someone, you can lie behind the killed and shoot. The northerners even fought the dead. Later I found it in the archives, for which he had awards. The truth is nothing special. The usual front-line work, performed EXCELLENT! I agree with the authors that I can't watch modern ponty crafts. "And the Dawns Here Are Quiet" - I can and I consider the best film about the War in the North.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 8 December 2015 19: 03 New
      +5
      Little attention is paid to the Northern Front. ,,
      if only for the North, there is, so to speak, a complete rewriting of the history of the USSR.
  40. kos2cool4u
    kos2cool4u 8 December 2015 18: 05 New
    +5
    Quote: Maksud
    Bondarchuk's "Stalingrad" almost turned me inside out. Better to see the German painting of the same name

    I agree, the Bavarians took off a hundred times better, although pathos and stamps were also not without.))))
  41. Flanke
    Flanke 8 December 2015 18: 29 New
    +2
    Fury (Fury) heavy nonsense from beginning to end. Nonsense in every minute of the film. What surprised was that they spoke favorably about him in the aforementioned program about the life of Soviet tankmen with Drabkin.
  42. Editor
    Editor 8 December 2015 19: 59 New
    +2
    I join in the praises of "Brest Fortress" and "In August 44th" (the latter would have been given the budget on time, several battle flashbacks would have greatly adorned the picture, not to mention the disclosure of some images). "We are from the future-1" is not bad in general pathos and acting, but it did not come out with "rivets" either. "Stalingrad" was remembered for several correct accents (unloading of grave crosses by the Germans, a kick from a German in response to "Heil Hitler"), a couple of striking episodes like the "attack of the dead" in the beginning - and an illogical mess as their framing. The ending is especially depressing - the next "ninth company" has turned out. If behind the collapsed house to show a hurrying reinforcements, which after a second of confusion begins to dig in, there would be at least some catharsis and a glimpse of historical truth ...
    I give the idea of ​​reinforcement to the future creators of the people's "Stalingrad" wink
  43. estixnumx
    estixnumx 8 December 2015 20: 26 New
    +3
    My 5 kopecks Film "Bastards" Filmed in Armenia on Mount Aragats 4090m in the mountains, the guys from the mountain tourism club "Hatis" of the Yerevan Medical Institute named after M. Heratsi were filmed. I also participated. But the movie is a complete mess. New filmmakers before the Chronicle of the Dive Bomber, They knew by sight and White explosion should eat my porridge. The really good ones in Germany are Steiner Iron Cross and Stalingrad.
    1. Pomeranian
      8 December 2015 21: 47 New
      +1
      The bridge is still look German, but not new, but the old, 50's. If you don’t pay for the wheeled plywood Sherman film is great!
      1. Spitfire
        Spitfire 9 December 2015 08: 19 New
        +1
        Quote: Pomoryanin
        The bridge is still look German, but not new, but the old, 50's. If you don’t pay for the wheeled plywood Sherman film is great!


        I will add - from foreign films, except for the mentioned "Sahara" of 1995, "U-571", "Submarine" looks good - downloaded the author's version, 4 hours 40 minutes !!! - full immersion), "Sink the Bismarck" (black and white, 1960). I enjoyed watching the series about the war in the Pacific Ocean. Now, if only "His Majesty's Cruiser" Ulysses "" and the modern version of "Dambreakers" were removed, it would be great.
  44. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 8 December 2015 21: 38 New
    +4
    I look forward to the release of the film about the feat of Panfilov ... I hope, I really hope that there will be a film not lower than the level of "Brest Fortress" or "In August 44" ... I really hope that everything will be shown without embellishment ... and as historically true as possible , even in the smallest details - weapons, uniforms, speech, verbal phrases ... I enjoy watching our old films about the war, although there are often many inaccuracies there, such as T-34-85 tanks at the beginning of the war, but this all fades with that , as shown the idea, meaning, feat of our people ... and more ... dear scriptwriters, maybe you are not fans or just visitors to this site, but I beg you, what if, before filming, sit in the archives ... chat with still living veterans, invite historians consultants ... good luck ..
  45. Klos
    Klos 9 December 2015 02: 23 New
    +3
    Adults will look and think, children will look and believe.
  46. Olfred
    Olfred 9 December 2015 18: 43 New
    +3
    I believe that it’s time to replenish the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with an article for the substitution, falsification of historical facts. otherwise pseudo-historians really got it, our children absorb all the information like sponges, okay, they read little books about history, so let them watch REAL historical films about the Second World War where the facts are not replaced by lies ... and such directors are subject to huge fines, and even terms otherwise the soul hurts just for your pocket. mb of course I went too far, but really the soul hurts sad
  47. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 13 December 2015 21: 48 New
    0
    I read everything !! I'm glad that everything is on a united front! Without any disagreements! It's a pity that I could not read everything at once. The author is very grateful.