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BAE Systems will participate in the development of the Turkish advanced fighter

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The management of the Department of Defense Industry (SSM) of the Turkish Defense Ministry will soon complete negotiations with representatives of the BAE Systems concern on the conditions for joint design of a promising TFX fighter, the blog bmpd with reference to the agency dha.


Estimated image of a promising Turkish fighter TFX.

The fact is that "BAE Systems won the tender announced by the Turkish government to design a promising TFX fighter for the Turkish Air Force," the agency said, noting that the Swedish company Saab AB was a competitor of the corporation, "which had previously provided SSM with technical assistance perspective light multipurpose fighter ".

The first flight of the new fighter is scheduled for 2023, the year of the 100 anniversary of the Republic of Turkey. The start of serial deliveries to the military department is expected in 2030.

“When building the TFX aircraft, it is intended to maximize the potential of the Turkish industry,” the agency writes. “It is expected that the Turkish manufacturers of composite materials, thanks to the experience and technologies obtained during Turkey’s participation in the program for the development and production of the Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter, will be able to ensure the creation of a TFX airframe.”

The newly appointed head of SSM Demir spoke out against the TFX project, calling the prospects for its implementation “vague”.

“Obviously, RT T. personally played the decisive role in deciding on the further development of the project. Erdogan, for whom this project is image-based, ”concludes the publication.
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  1. The black
    The black 5 December 2015 09: 22
    13
    The only question is whether Turkey will exist in its current form by 2023. winked
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 5 December 2015 09: 25
      0
      Quote: Black
      Will Turkey exist in its current form by 2023
      With Erdogan, definitely not. The Saratov division (aircraft) will take care of this
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 5 December 2015 10: 52
        10
        Good news. BAE Systems know very well. The company specializes in corrupt relationships, which is why it does the most successful business in African countries. The effectiveness of the project will be zero. I am sure that they will put the old technology with a bunch of bookmarks at an ultra-high price. And this is despite the fact that Asilsan with BAE Systems has a very long experience in cooperation.
        They decided to somehow boast of their technology about 8 years ago. Yes, so the experts were in shock, it was necessary to think of it in the 21st century to brag about the hinged soldering of gilded microcircuits, obviously with huge heat generation and microwave electric oscillators, analogues of which ceased to be produced in Russia in the late 90s.
        1. USSR 1971
          USSR 1971 5 December 2015 10: 58
          +6
          It is a pity that it is impossible to entrust the development of the Turkish promising fighter AvtoVAZ.
          It would be an interesting machine, with original technical solutions.
        2. dauria
          dauria 5 December 2015 12: 22
          +1
          thanks to the experience and technology gained during Turkey’s participation in the Lockheed Martin F-35 fighter’s development and production program,


          Create a competitor for the F-35? smile It's ridiculous ... How do they want to lower the price? Only due to the filling? So the Americans can also sell a half-empty F-35 glider with an engine, although who will need it in this version?
          Rather, I believe that the Chinese will create such a beast, they really need it and they have enough money for it.
          1. opus
            opus 5 December 2015 15: 32
            -3
            Quote: dauria
            . Due to what price do they want to reduce? Only due to the filling?

            1. Taxes
            Turkey:
            The basic income tax for companies doing business in Turkey is 20% (Law No. 5520 of July 21.07.06, 30 reduced the corporate income tax from 20% to XNUMX%).
            Personal income tax for individuals (income tax) varies from 15% to 40%.
            Taxation on dividends received by both Turkish and foreign shareholders is carried out at a rate of 10%.
            U.S.:
            Federal Income Tax
            State Income Tax (for 2013)

            Social Security Tax - social fund paid by the employer
            Medicare - a medical fund paid by the employer

            ============ combined 17% or even 50%
            Property tax

            Sales tax

            FEDERAL INCOME TAX: 15-35%
            State Taxation: Excise Taxes
            FICA contribution, Federal Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA), Federal Insurance Contribution Act (FICA) Withholding
            etc. / I already boiled)
            2. Salary level
            Engineer: 35,000 USD Turkey per year
            US Locksmith / Repairman - 4195 USD / per year 50340USD
            3.Logistics
            4. "Living expenses": According to the Research Institute of the Turkish Confederation of Progressive Trade Unions, the cost of living for a family of 4 in Turkey is 3236 YTL.
            ============================================
            As an example, batteries for Iphone (Cell) are made in Japan (a very high-tech production), Singapore or South Korea are then transported to China and then PACKED.
    2. Juborg
      Juborg 5 December 2015 12: 57
      0
      They already wrote that a country that does not have experience in the construction of such aircraft, having contacted a company that has no experience in the same, are doomed to failure, despite even a lot of money.
      1. opus
        opus 5 December 2015 15: 44
        0
        Quote: juborg
        that a country with no experience in the construction of such aircraft, having contacted a company with no experience in the same,

        1.Russia also had no experience in the construction of such aircraft (generation 5), but it is building (T-50). USA, the same before the F-22 "had no experience" /

        Turkish Aerospace Industries, Inc. has a full cycle and experience (except for turbofan engines)




        2.BAE Systems:largest arms manufacturing company in 2008. The company was founded on November 30, 1999 by the merger of 2 British companies, Marconi Electronic Systems (MES), a defense electronics and shipbuilding division of General Electric Company plc (GEC), and British Aerospace (BAe), a manufacturer of aircraft systems, weapons and marine systems.



        3. The chemical industry of Turkey: Turkey in Europe (if T is considered Europe) is the largest producer of plastics, composites, paints and components.
        Do you think Turkey, being the SECOND Europe buyer of gas Gazprom (after Germany) uses gas FOR HEATING?


        1. sabakina
          sabakina 5 December 2015 15: 53
          +1
          Quote: opus
          Quote: juborg
          that a country with no experience in the construction of such aircraft, having contacted a company with no experience in the same,

          1.Russia also had no experience in the construction of such aircraft (generation 5), but it is building (T-50). USA, the same before the F-22 "had no experience" /

          Turkish Aerospace Industries, Inc. has a full cycle and experience (except for turbofan engines)




          2.BAE Systems:largest arms manufacturing company in 2008. The company was founded on November 30, 1999 by the merger of 2 British companies, Marconi Electronic Systems (MES), a defense electronics and shipbuilding division of General Electric Company plc (GEC), and British Aerospace (BAe), a manufacturer of aircraft systems, weapons and marine systems.



          3. The chemical industry of Turkey: Turkey in Europe (if T is considered Europe) is the largest producer of plastics, composites, paints and components.
          Do you think Turkey, being the SECOND Europe buyer of gas Gazprom (after Germany) uses gas FOR HEATING?


          T-50 flew, fly and will fly! To evil! Even to you!
          1. opus
            opus 5 December 2015 16: 08
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            Quote: sabakina
            T-50 flew, fly and will fly! To evil! Even to you!

            Madammmm (dog or dog)
            1. I did not deny "that I have flown, will fly and will fly".
            Do you have Madame probably critical days or menopause?
            2. Why me "for evil"? And madmmmm. You ep .... b (head against the wall), or what?
            3. Madam, from what the x .. You to me on "you" all of a sudden? I didn't drink sour beer with you
          2. opus
            opus 6 December 2015 02: 30
            0
            Hear
            HUUUILO by the name of "sobkin" / "psakin" if you have a claim, let's face you real.
            How are you ready?
    3. avdkrd
      avdkrd 5 December 2015 22: 02
      -1
      Quote: Black
      The only question is whether Turkey will exist in its current form by 2023. winked

      Therefore, they set a date like this - BAE Systems knows that by 2023 there will be no Customer. In general, by the year 2023, the 7th generation should be done, but the Turks have no choice.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 5 December 2015 09: 24
    +1
    The sketch reminds me of something. what
    1. Gorjelin
      Gorjelin 5 December 2015 10: 22
      +1
      The sketch reminds me of something.

      The poster looks like undecorated children's toy airplanes.
    2. ilyinval61
      ilyinval61 5 December 2015 11: 06
      +1
      The sketch reminds me of something.

      Vague doubts torment me too.
  3. venaya
    venaya 5 December 2015 09: 24
    +1
    All flags to visit them, think about it here. And all after the F-16 attack on our bomber.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 5 December 2015 09: 36
      +2
      Quote: venaya
      , and all after the F-16 attack on our bomber.

      Yes, they just perfectly understand what would happen with their F-16 if our SU-30 MS, SU-35, SU-34 were nearby, their shabby phantom would fall on the territory of Syria, and then the question would drop who and whose borders were violated. I think our new aircraft is not a hindrance. By that time, there will be T-50 PAKFA in our VKS.
      1. n.kolesnichenko
        n.kolesnichenko 5 December 2015 10: 53
        +1
        F -16 is Fighting Falcon - corresponding to our Mig29, but not Phantom !!!
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 5 December 2015 10: 34
      +2
      Everyone has already forgotten and forgotten about our downed plane - business will always be in the first place, and everything else will be secondary.
      1. sabakina
        sabakina 5 December 2015 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Everyone has already forgotten and forgotten about our downed plane - business will always be in the first place, and everything else will be secondary.

        Maybe quack is enough? As it is said in the film "Admiral Ushakov.": "Father's Politez" ....
  4. Teberii
    Teberii 5 December 2015 09: 25
    +2
    Turkey wants to enter the pool of world powers, so Erdogan needs his 5th generation airplane.
  5. kursk87
    kursk87 5 December 2015 09: 29
    +4
    Turkey is a serious player in the Middle East. Strengthening Turkey will entail a new surge of violence in the Middle East. Any military strengthening of Turkey cannot be ignored by the Russian Federation
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 5 December 2015 09: 35
      +1
      Quote: kursk87
      Strengthening Turkey will entail a new surge of violence in the Middle East.

      If you are talking about an airplane, then before this "amplification", at least 10 years. During this time, either the odd-hoofed one will die or Erdogan. yes
      1. kursk87
        kursk87 5 December 2015 09: 49
        +1
        There is no need to hope that a person will come to power in Turkey who will abandon Erdogan's ideas. The clash of interests of Russia and Turkey in the Middle East can only intensify the confrontation between the two countries. The West can contribute to the military strengthening of Turkey, since the recklessness of the West only increases, the Western "hawks" will certainly support such a confrontation. It is not necessary that Turkey will create its own "super plane", a country that is part of the North Atlantic Alliance can purchase military equipment from its allies
        1. good7
          good7 5 December 2015 10: 37
          +3
          I completely agree, no one will abandon the idea of ​​the Ottoman Empire! They have already entered Iraq with the tacit support of the West! Only loads of 200 in especially large quantities can cool the ardor of Ottoman!
  6. Waroc
    Waroc 5 December 2015 09: 30
    +3
    And the super-waffle - the F-35 is no longer quoted ...))) But all the NATO (and not only NATO) sixes wanted (just the same they were eager) to buy, they were already being built ...
  7. polite people
    polite people 5 December 2015 09: 35
    +1
    Do not have time. Krantets is inexorably approaching the Turks.
    1. The black
      The black 5 December 2015 09: 44
      +5
      I agree. In the coming years, difficult times await Turkey. The United States used the Turks as their governors in the Middle East. However, the perdogan decided to play his game. He shot down a Russian plane, invaded Iraq ..... In general, the Pasha lost his nerves. And if our plane in the West (and in the East) does not interest anyone., Then the willfulness in Iraq, which states and Saudis believe they can’t forgive him for their saints. So in the coming years I’m waiting for the civil war in the Kurdish provinces of Turkey and their separation from Turkey. And, by the way, the creation of an independent Kurdistan, which will be formed on the part of the territories of Turkey, Iraq and Syria, will it seems to me that the subject of bargaining is between us and the USA. about something tells me that there is a chance to negotiate ...
  8. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 5 December 2015 09: 42
    +3
    If this "product" takes off in 2023 and goes into production in 2030, then everything is fine. By that time, 1 Russian bomber will need a squadron of such "kings of the air". And then there is no guarantee that they will catch up and shoot down))))

    But seriously - let them spend money.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 5 December 2015 09: 43
    +1
    I am actually not surprised by such a choice of the Turks, although they would have had more chances to build their own plane with the Swedes. I think this is a failed idea that BAE Systems will try to nullify after they have sucked all the money from the country, and the contract will be signed in such a way that the information received will become their property and will be used in the next aircraft, which will only be built by BAE Systems without Turkey. The question is why the West needs another competitor, a country with an unstable "democracy" to own advanced technologies. There is also a danger that the Turks can supply technology and planes to obvious opponents and the sale of the most important democracy will fall.
  10. Glaz8000
    Glaz8000 5 December 2015 09: 43
    +3
    After 8 years, the first flight, after 15 deliveries to the army, what kind of aircraft is not clear, the possibilities are not known. In my opinion, the Turks are overestimating the capabilities of their defense industry and their economy. And BAE systems make good money on Turkish ambitions.
  11. ZYRYANIN
    ZYRYANIN 5 December 2015 09: 46
    +2
    The fuselage and the wing planes are covered with unrealized mink coats, and they will be refilled with tomato juice, fortunately, now the tomatoes in Turkey are heaps! .. lol
    1. lis-ik
      lis-ik 5 December 2015 12: 37
      +2
      Tomato juice does not work out of their tomatoes, I tried it with those written off from the store, just scrolling, and then for normal "frying", for example, for the first one you have to add tomato paste, by the way, in the best times Turkish tomatoes occupied the last position in sales, by the way, like tangerines ...
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 5 December 2015 18: 28
        +1
        Want unshared news? In Yelabuga, an ambitious joint Turkish project was covered with a copper basin. They built a huge greenhouse complex, they wanted to flood Russia with local Turkish tomatoes. They invested billions. And everything was covered with a copper basin. I don’t even know how to comment.
  12. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 5 December 2015 09: 47
    0
    I wonder how much the price will increase during the development process over these 10 years.
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 December 2015 09: 47
    0
    By 2030, these 5th generation fighters can be thrown into the trash!
  14. Funnels
    Funnels 5 December 2015 09: 50
    +3
    They have the same cooperation with Ukraine. It was necessary to conclude an agreement with Antonov Design Bureau and a new plane would have flown tomorrow.
  15. Babai Balkan
    Babai Balkan 5 December 2015 09: 52
    +1
    her !!! Funding will end with the flow of free Syrian oil !!!
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 December 2015 09: 57
    +1
    Stupid ambitions have always cost countries too much. In the 19th century there was a saying - if you want to ruin a small country, give her a cruiser!
    Aircraft carriers are already too much, but a fighter with manners for the 5th generation — having no designers or production experience — is overkill.
    It will be much cooler than the fifth generation Chinese, who looks like "ok" from the incestuous marriage of the PAK FA with the F 35.
  17. NEXUS
    NEXUS 5 December 2015 10: 08
    +2
    After reading this news, I came to the conclusion that the Turks believe that the creation of a 5th generation fighter is easy and simple. Even if the mattresses help with technology (which I strongly doubt), and there will be funding for the project, then before the 30th year we definitely don’t have to wait for the prototype And by the 30th year, all world players will be fully engaged in the issue of fighter aircraft for the 6th generation. Even now, the concept of using 6th generation fighter aircraft is already being developed.
    So a Turk can answer with a phrase from "The Golden Calf" - Saw, Shura, she is golden. "
  18. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 5 December 2015 10: 17
    +1
    Well, imperial ambitions oblige, let them try. But it seems to me that it will turn out, as always. The development is Swedish, the engines, the gun, the OMS and the pin-d-o-stan communications, the chassis of the paddles, the OLS and the radar too, only screwdrivers will be Turkish.
  19. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 December 2015 10: 38
    +1
    design promising fighter TFX for Turkish Air Force

    Turkey is neither the first nor the last country where an ally, or a team of allies begins to design something promising. It drags on for years, draws a lot of money, and in the end it can turn out to be zilch. So let them design. We are not standing still either.
  20. sabakina
    sabakina 5 December 2015 11: 04
    +5
    All that sounds in my brain is: "Aircraft school" ... The Germans can, the "Soviets" can, Turkey ... Only get crap ...
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 5 December 2015 20: 26
      0
      Quote: sabakina
      Turkey ... Just to fight ..

      How can you girl, so rude, but for sure. lol good