SAU Type 89 are being decommissioned by the Chinese army

Created in the 80s, a 120-mm self-propelled gun (fighter tanks) Type 89 was withdrawn from service with the anti-tank units of the 39th PLA Army. Farewell ceremony with military vehicles took place this fall, reports Messenger of Mordovia with reference to otvaga2004.mybb.ru.

This anti-tank system, developed by the Chinese company Norinco, was put into service in 1989 g and mass-produced until the middle of 90-x.

According to the publication, "SAU Type 89 was repeatedly criticized for relatively weak weapons and for rare, not standardized with the main battle Chinese tanks Type 96 and Type 99 120-mm gun."

Comments

[Teberii]

We decided to take up the unification of armaments, and they probably already prepared something to replace them.

[USSR 1971]

Now wait at the Wargaming Perm Store. By stock.

[Barmal]

to whom will they sell? Interest Ask.

[sherman1506]

Damn, our Cheburashka is sobbing.

[Alex_Rarog]

I wonder what new things will be accepted instead ...

[H_l_o_p_e_C]

will copy ours

[sober]

[quote = H_l_o_p_e_C] copy ours will



Yes, they just say that we don’t need the equipment. You sell the drawings to us !!! Or take 2-5pcs.
and study for yourself.

[APASUS]

[quote = sober] [quote = H_l_o_p_e_C] copy ours will
Yes, they just say that we don’t need the equipment. You sell the drawings to us !!! Or take 2-5pcs.
and study for yourself. [/ quote]
And what have we done recently in this area that we need to copy ours? The coalition, so I would not say that it has transcendent TTX and is a breakthrough.
Now China has the finances and the ability to buy or create a joint production, and just steal the samples of interest. And if you copy NLOS-C P1, it’s at least a new development

[TSOOBER]

It was planned to enter combat units by 2014, but in 2009 the FCS program was closed, most of the projects within its framework were frozen. And what is there to copy? They rolled out the layout and truncated!

[APASUS]

Quote: TSOOBER

It was planned to enter combat units by 2014, but in 2009 the FCS program was closed, most of the projects within its framework were frozen. And what is there to copy? They rolled out the layout and truncated!

And what is left in the world worthy of development PzH 2000, DONAR, Palmaria 155mm / 41, Type 75 155mm South Korea, M109 A6 Paladin, artillery self-propelled system G6-52, I don’t want to copy!

[Sasha75]

The Chinese certainly have many ideas, but most likely they will take something for ourselves, and their production will be made easier this way cheaper.

[igordok]

Quote: Sasha75

The Chinese certainly have a lot of ideas

The concept of a special anti-tank self-propelled guns, tank destroyer, in my opinion, has long passed.

[max702]

Quote: igordok

Quote: Sasha75

The Chinese certainly have a lot of ideas

The concept of a special anti-tank self-propelled guns, tank destroyer, in my opinion, has long passed.

You are "Octopus" tell me ..

[inkass_98]

The very formulation of the question is controversial: why did they adopt a non-standard caliber and why now take it off if there is serviceable equipment, stock of shells, production has been debugged? Then they would have sold it to someone who uses the NATO standard 120-mm guns.

[Bongo]

Quote: inkass_98

The very formulation of the question is controversial: why did they adopt a non-standard caliber and why now take it off if there is serviceable equipment, stock of shells, production has been debugged?

In the 80s, China tried to "befriend" the West against the USSR. At the same time, there was a fairly close military-technical cooperation with the United States, Great Britain and France. Some samples of Western military equipment or individual components and assemblies are still in service in the PRC. In addition to 120 mm shells, 105 mm were also used. They were produced for the Chinese copy of the British L7 tank gun.

Quote: inkass_98

Then they would have sold it to someone who uses the NATO standard 120-mm guns.

Most likely this will happen, the fact that self-propelled guns are withdrawn from service in the PLA does not mean at all that they will be allowed for scrap.

[Furious bambr]

Why NATO? This is our caliber: 2S9 "Nona", 2S23 "Nona-SVK". And the Chinese SPG is a copy of ours. They just adopted the PLZ, there is already a NATO caliber 155 mm

[Bongo]

Quote: Furious Bambr

Why NATO? This is our caliber: 2S9 "Nona", 2S23 "Nona-SVK". And the Chinese SPG is a copy of ours. They just adopted the PLZ, there is already a NATO caliber 155 mm

You are wrong Type 89 is a tank destroyer. 120 mm gun provides an initial speed of 1660 m / s for BOPS and penetrates 450 mm armor at a distance of 2000 meters. The maximum firing range of the BOPS is 2500 m.

[Furious bambr]

Well, yes, I'm sorry, something did not turn on the head

[Nymp]

China is developing at a frantic pace. Russia simply has to be ahead. For this, first of all, it is necessary to get rid of the liberals at the top and the leadership of the military complex, and in the country as a whole. And the media that propagandize the liberals ("echo of Moscow", "rain", "RTVI", etc.) impose taxes and fines. They will close themselves. You have to understand that the same China is on friendly terms with us, while we are a worthy adversary. In politics, it is.

[Bongo]

Quote: Nymp

China is developing at a frantic pace. Russia simply must be ahead. To do this, you must first get rid of the liberals at the top

But this is a call for the overthrow of the existing state system - an act falling under the scope of the Criminal Code.

[vvv-73]

And what is the appeal? He did not say that you need to get rid of by force. So all this is your imagination.

[Bongo]

Quote: vvv-73

And what is the appeal? He did not say that you need to get rid of by force. So all this is your imagination.

Do you sincerely think that someone will voluntarily give up power?

[Nymp]

Quote: Bongo

Do you sincerely think that someone will voluntarily give up power?

What about Kasyanov? Where is the violence? Putin removed him from power, and others took his place, and our power only became more efficient. And as recent events have shown that he was removed correctly.

[Bongo]

Quote: Nymp

What about Kasyanov? Where is the violence?

Did he voluntarily leave?

Quote: Nymp

Putin removed him from power,

When it was?

Quote: Nymp

others replaced him, and our power only became more effective.

Really?

[twviewer]

Quote: vvv-73

And what is the appeal? He did not say that you need to get rid of by force. So all this is your imagination.

it is, and most importantly, on the merits of the question of objections did not follow :)

[Bongo]

Quote: twviewer

it is, and most importantly, on the merits of the question of objections did not follow :)

And why did you decide that I must prove something to someone?

[twviewer]

Quote: Bongo

And why did you decide that I must prove something to someone?

here I am about the same. it’s not a prosecutor or even a lawyer, why shake the air?
Morning, have a coffee, relax, there are no enemies of Russia

[Bongo]

Quote: twviewer

here I am about the same. it’s not a prosecutor or even a lawyer, why shake the air?

And is someone shaking?

Quote: twviewer

Morning, have some coffee, relax

I am absolutely relaxed, especially since I have already evening.

Quote: twviewer

there are no enemies of Russia

I would like to believe in it, although my other d.s.d.a.s. is worse than the enemy. Especially if it is in power.

[Nymp]

Quote: Bongo

I would like to believe in it, although my own is worse than the enemy.

Well thanks Sergey! I don’t understand how I could sow your doubts about my person? I hope you are not ruled by sympathy for the liberals.

[Bongo]

Quote: Nymp

Well thanks Sergey! I don’t understand how I could sow your doubts about my person?

Boris, do not take it personally. Unfortunately, the filter worked and the word d.u.r.a.k.was not initially displayed. Of course, this does not apply to you.

Quote: Nymp

I hope you are not ruled by sympathy for the liberals.

Have you looked at my profile carefully? Or do you sincerely think that dissatisfaction with the activities of our government automatically means "sympathy for the liberals"?

[Nymp]

Got it! Why apologize!

[Bongo]

Quote: Nymp

Got it! Why apologize!

Mutually

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Bongo

this is a call to overthrow the existing state system

Or maybe it's a cry from the soul?

[Bongo]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Or maybe it's a cry from the soul?

I would scream too, but what does that change? The President said not so long ago that he was pleased with the activities of the government.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Bongo

pleased with the activities of the government.

This is the most important thing in understanding the situation. Honestly, it’s a shame to fight on the world stage. You fight and your coach has a purse from a kimono during a hot fight

[twviewer]

Quote: Thunderbolt

This is the most important thing in understanding the situation. Honestly, it’s a shame to fight on the world stage. You fight and your coach has a purse from a kimono during a hot fight

for sure, and the medal you have not yet received, already in the pawnshop laid

[Bongo]

Quote: Thunderbolt

This is the most important thing in understanding the situation. Honestly, it’s a shame to fight on the world stage. You fight and your coach has a purse from a kimono during a hot fight

We understand each other ...

[Furious bambr]

At one time, the Air Force and the Voice of America listened from under the pillow, and now there are stupid people listening to liberal pornography. And the article must be returned for parasitism, and then, at their rallies, free artists and other thinkers just hang around. In terms of weapons, we are one step ahead of China, but we have to sell new types of weapons to them - the price of friendship.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Furious Bambr

In terms of armaments, we are one step ahead of China, but new types

and they will have to defend themselves from generation 5.

[Furious bambr]

We have already adopted the PLZ 52, maybe they copied it, but not with us. More similar to the American M109A6. The paladin is similar.

[Forest]

Paladin is a typical self-propelled gun for firing from closed positions, the Chinese machine is anti-tank, this is how to compare the D-30 and the Rapier.

[Thunderbolt]

Farewell ceremony with military vehicles

God, how nice and right. The ceremony ... under Yeltsin and our technology didn’t stand on ceremony like that

[dchegrinec]

Still, a farewell orchestra and crying ladies caught up with three million!

[52]

And how long will an anti-tank self-propelled guns live in modern combat? So the withdrawal is quite natural. But the adoption in service in 1989 was a more than controversial decision, by that time there were almost no tank destroyers in other countries.

[Vladimir 23rus]

And long live in modern combat ANTI-TANK SPG?

How long does a tank live? Anti-tank self-propelled guns are one and a half to two times cheaper and the whole layout. If a country can afford (in finances) in each tank battalion to have a self-propelled gun platoon sharpened to combat armored vehicles, then this is only a plus for the combat stability of the unit.

[Mountain shooter]

Well, the Chinese with their SPG were smeared. Our "Octopus" was piled under a tank cannon, and the ammunition was unified, and in general ... But the Chinese got an appendix, probably not very promising. Since they did not put a tank gun on it. Either the chassis is weak, or something. So they write off. And they don't even want to try on "Nona" on this platform. I have never heard that they have an analogue of "Nona".

[Oleg-S1970]

They are old probably for cheap in Africa or Pakistan will sell

[Vadim237]

Surely they licked the German self-propelled guns PzH 2000.

[Tutu]

Other self-propelled gun Type 89 (120mm)