International Diesel Engine Test and American Addiction

According to the website AUTO.CYRO.RU,

International test of diesel engines found depressing results. The International Clean Transport Council (ICCT), consisting of engineers from the USA, China, Germany and other countries, has checked the 73 diesel car that meets Euro EuroNNX standards for the diesel engine. They then compared the test results between the standard testing procedure and the new testing standard, more closely related to actual operating conditions, and predictably found a huge difference in NOx emissions.

They used the same dynamometer for the conventional European cold engine test cycle (NEDC) adopted in Germany and for the new global standard for the test cycle (WLTC) hot start method. The results show a large discrepancy between the NEDC tests and the WLTC tests in terms of NOx emissions. The results showed that on average, NOx emissions in the WLTC tests were five times higher than in the NEDC test method.

Of the 73 vehicles tested, the Euro 6 requirements for the NEDC test satisfy the 64 of the vehicle, while for the WLTC test, only the 20 vehicles meet.

The meaning of everything written is that the Germans determine the toxicity according to the NEDC standard, and the Americans began to measure it according to the new WLTC method. Which involves simulating car acceleration to 131,3 km / h instead of 120 km / h according to the European test, more frequent and deeper work with the gas pedal and reduced to 13,0% (against 23,7% from the European test) engine idle time. Here, actually, from where roots of diesel scandal with "Volkswagen" grow!

It turns out that the Americans deliberately, without any particular reason, without trying to civilize technical differences in a civilized manner, found fault with the VAG company and imposed a 18-billion dollar fine. What immediately put the industrial ridge of Germany, the company VAG, on the verge of bankruptcy. What is it done for? Now the true goal is clear - that the leadership of Germany should perfectly follow the leadership of the "foreign regional committee". Including the invasion of Syria.

It should also be recalled what happened to the leadership of sovereign France when they threatened the 10 billionth fine to a large French bank, Societe Generale. That's right, Hollande annulled the contract for a total amount of 1,2 billion euros for the transfer of "Mistral" to Russia. It should always be remembered - so does Uncle Sam! And nothing personal ...

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[Roman1970]

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

[cniza]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

Maybe a dual-use diesel?

[oleg-gr]

Puppets cannot have their own opinion. That Hollande, that Merkel. The rest of the EU, all the more, can be ignored.

[iouris]

This is not the crux of the problem.
In 1993, under pressure from the United States, the General Agreement on Tariffs in International Trade (GATT) was reached, which lasted from 1947. After that, the WTO was formed as an organization - the successor of the GATT, which established technological barriers. Thus, the WTO member states agreed to reduce duties on imported goods to the established minimum and at the same time took on increased obligations in terms of refusal to produce machinery, equipment and vehicles that do not meet high mandatory requirements for consumer safety, environmental friendliness and resource conservation. ... There was a seizure of the world markets of TNCs. Moreover, most of the TNCs are "registered" mainly in the United States. To meet these mandatory requirements, you need to have access to technology. Technology development is not done by TNCs, but by the US government through militarization. Technologies created by orders of the US government, TNCs are forced to introduce into production, because the US government regularly tightens mandatory requirements. Of course, this interesting system was introduced in the United States not so much to protect consumer rights and the environment, but to ensure the competitiveness of products manufactured in the United States. It is clear that in the rest of the world few people are able to compete with TNCs. This explains that in the process of Russia's accession to the WTO, almost the entire manufacturing industry of the USSR was stopped.
There is one important caveat: WTO restrictions do not relate to defense issues. That is why the threat of war allows the Russian Federation to invest in the development of production, and sanctions and counter-sanctions can create conditions for the development of agricultural production and mechanical engineering.
As for the German automakers that use American technology, they are severely punished formally correctly. But we understand that here the mechanism of obligatory confirmation of compliance is used for political pressure on Germany. Given that the technological level of these "low-quality" (for the USA) cars is unattainable for VAZ (and not only).
If Germany can be done THIS, then what should the rest of us do?

[Amurets]

Quote: cniza

Maybe a dual-use diesel?

Any engine can be brought under dual-use products as they are used in military equipment. But the fact that the engines were tested by a different method can be contested. So our engines during the Soviet era were given characteristics in several testing systems: GOST; DIN and a number of other international standards.

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

Despite the fact that the site discusses geopolitics, and the behavior of Americans about Volkswagen is the very same global geopolitics! And in the dirtiest and cynical of it! Although after the signing of the transatlantic "partnership" it will no longer matter, there will be no VAG, and indeed there will be nothing European at all, there will be one continuous General Motors!

[spech]

Despite the fact that the site discusses geopolitics, and the behavior of Americans about Volkswagen is the very same global geopolitics! And in the dirtiest and cynical of it! Although after the signing of the transatlantic "partnership" it will no longer matter, there will be no VAG, and indeed there will be nothing European at all, there will be one continuous General Motors!

and unexpectedly "The main shareholders of the company as of May 2011 are the US Treasury Department (35,5%)"

[Corsair]

Quote: spech

and unexpectedly "The main shareholders of the company as of May 2011 are the US Treasury Department (35,5%)"

they will write off their losses, and they will print money if anything, but if the BB collapses, then in Germany a lot of burghers will tear their hair out at the opera house and in other places.

[Spnsr]

Quote: cniza

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

Maybe a dual-use diesel?

everyone says that we are at war, this is war.
in general, they also punished vag for business in Russia

Concern Volkswagen (VW) has launched engine production in Kaluga. The plant will produce 1,6 liter gasoline engines (110 HP, EA211 series), the production capacity will be 150 units per year, http://www.vedomosti.ru/auto/news/000/2015/09 / 04-volkswagen-zapustil-zavod-dv
igatelei

http://www.volkswagengrouprus.ru/company/kaluga/

[Spnsr]

here you can add Social projects http://www.volkswagengrouprus.ru/socials/
we can say that this is an attempt to avoid taxes, and on the other hand, interaction is direct, not to mention jobs and, accordingly, taxes and other payments to the Pension Fund and compulsory medical insurance

[79807420129]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

An economic war against its own allies and competitors is also a war, all the more so for mattress mats for which walking on corpses for profit is in the order of things.

[hydrox]

Quote: 79807420129

An economic war against one's own allies and competitors is also a war,

That's right, this is one and the same war "USA against everyone!" for maintaining world financial and economic dominance.
And the fact that the allies fell under the distribution is because the US is protecting its own interests, but there are no allies, there are only vassals.

[AK64]

Heh ...

What are the "allies"? After the collapse of the USSR, a united Europe (like China) becomes a US nightmare.
That is why the US policy is so ... contradictory and confusing: their opponents are really the EU and China, and for some reason they are pushing Russia into the arms of these opponents, creating an essentially Euro-Russian tea bloc ...

[Corsair]

Quote: AK64

What are the "allies"? After the collapse of the USSR, a united Europe

How is a united Europe a nightmare for the United States? The USA is a shepherd, Germany and Britain are his dogs helping herd livestock - the rest are just sheep and rams, while the shepherd also has a gun on his shoulder and at any moment can shoot any of the herd, including the dogs, because he can stupidly.

[4thParasinok]

Quote: 79807420129

An economic war against your own allies

what allies? Against slaves who dare not obey. Germany is still an occupied country.

[War and Peace]

if European and American standards are not the same, then on what basis are fines imposed? It means that everything is not so simple.

That's right, Hollande canceled a € 1,2 billion contract to hand over the Mistrals to Russia.

why "right"? whose rules are these?

[mark2]

why "right"? whose rules are these?

how is it? WLTC emissions from Mistrals did not meet the requirements of this organization. They took care of our ecology) Imagine, such a scow sailed to Europe, brought "polite" holidaymakers or tourists, and she herself stands in the roadstead and puffs with a dirty waste)))

[War and Peace]

Quote: mark2

why "right"? whose rules are these?

how is it? WLTC emissions from Mistrals did not meet the requirements of this organization. They took care of our ecology) Imagine, such a scow sailed to Europe, brought "polite" holidaymakers or tourists, and she herself stands in the roadstead and puffs with a dirty waste)))

pin_doser have not signed the convention on carbon dioxide emissions into the atmosphere, what are the prohibitions on the highway? -empty ...

[hydrox]

Quote: War and Peace

why "right"? whose rules are these?

Correct rules according to law: "The strongest rules the world (he also sets the rules)!" - it is clear to everyone except liberals: for some reason they want to have "partnership" relations with the vassals ...

[War and Peace]

Quote: hydrox

Correct rules according to law: "The strongest rules the world (he also sets the rules)!" - it is clear to everyone except liberals: for some reason they want to have "partnership" relations with the vassals ...

the wolves caught the hare, decided to devour him, the hare prayed,
-do not eat me, I will show where the flock of sheep will settle
- well, show - said the wolves
the hare led the wolves to the flock, the wolves went berserk, slaughtered all the sheep and killed the hare in the heat of the day, sit in their teeth picking
- it turned out inconvenient with a hare, it would be necessary to bury him
-What shall we write on the grave?
-that the hare lies here - our friend,
-What kind of friend is he if we ate him?
- well then, here lies a hare - our enemy,
-What is he an enemy if he brought us here?
- thought, thought and decided to write
-here lies our PARTNER hare ...

[wasjasibirjac]

in the reports of the scandal, there was something else - a special program was "uploaded" into the computer of Volkswagen cars, which, when measured, reduced the toxicity of emissions, but could not be used during operation on the road. Volkswagen SAM has acknowledged the existence of such a program in its diesel vehicles.
True, I am tormented by the question: how did the computer understand that now there will be control measurements and it is time to turn on the measurement program?

[AK64]

(assumption): according to the mode of operation: at idle it gave a reduced emission

[voyaka uh]

"a special program was" uploaded "into the computer of Volkswagen cars, which, when taking measurements, reduced the toxicity of emissions" ////

Конечно.
Volkswagen openly cheated and completely
pleaded guilty after investigation.
The entire leadership amicably repented and quit.

And the Americans also imposed fines on their native firms,
and many times greater fines than the Germans.
For example, to tobacco companies that misinformed the people
about the harmlessness of smoking.

[Corsair]

Quote: voyaka uh

And the Americans also imposed fines on their native firms,
and many times greater fines than the Germans.
For example, to tobacco companies that misinformed the people
about the harmlessness of smoking.

however, oddly enough - all these companies continue to work and grow, all these raids are more like raider takeovers or outright fraud to make money on the stock exchange. Infa slipped by that the company had problems - shares fell, someone bought, someone threw it off, the media and experts will say in half a year, and she, everything is fine - they fixed it - well done, the shares went up.

[mark2]

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

It also seems to me that it has nothing to do with it. But here again the theme is revealed that the Americans are again changing the rules of the game.
Well, their European engines do not suit them - let them not ride. You might think that American engines meet all WLTC requirements. In general, this is just the neutralization of competitors.
Banal dishonest play.

[oblako]

And besides, Roman, that the war has long been different, and we are all like in the first horse with a saber on a tank with lava, "checkers bald", "trot", "marash-march" ... Hybrid ... mother. And most importantly, the goals of the war are being achieved ... by other, not violent methods.

[Andrea]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

The information is quite interesting. Besides ... now there is a 3rd World Hybrid War, that is, a war where all methods and options are suitable.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

Despite the fact that the German Bundeswehr is about to collide with the Russian Armed Forces in Syria!
The article indicates why this happens.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

Colleague, why not. Interestingly, especially about the new American standards. As a result, everything came again to the infringement of our country (I wrote something, then read it, probably unsuccessfully), but nevertheless, a colleague, it seems like a topic for VO.
Opinion is certainly subjective.
PS Minus is not mine, I am constantly writing about it, to be honest, excuse me for the verbiage, it’s interesting to be worn out.

[Teberii]

It's nothing personal, war is also a business, though a business on blood. But America does not care wanted its entire economy built on military spending.

[Mikhail Krapivin]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

In the sense? And what does VO only write about war? It seemed to me that there are many different articles on different topics. This article is about the peculiarities of the methods by which mattress toppers make their policy. Normal, test article in its place.

[asbond]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

Very much even "and"! This is an eloquent illustration of Uncle Sam's methods of work, including in the areas of activity related to ML. Thanks to the author for the news, I read it with great interest.

[bluesman]

Quote: asbond

in the areas of activity related to the MO.

and how? Should it take care of the environmental friendliness of MAZ engines, the ones that Poplars wear? Or problems with the ministerial garage?

[Stinger]

I read it and felt like crying. Here are the hydras! At the root of the shark of capitalism, damn it.

[mark2]

I read it and felt like crying. Here are the hydras! At the root of the shark capitalism, damn

Don't cry, dear! There are also our diesel engines MTZ, YuMZ, KAMAZ ... Everything will work out for us !!

[Gorjelin]

[Quote] It should also be recalled what happened to the leadership of sovereign France, when they presented the threat of a 10-billion fine to the large French bank Societe General. That's right, Hollande canceled a contract for a total of 1,2 billion euros [quote]

Euro-puppets are firmly on the hook to the United States, their entire business is directly dependent. Therefore, the logic of all foreign policy decisions is quite obvious. There are almost no independent players.

[quote] The great powers have always behaved like bandits, and the small ones like pro ---- tk.
Stanley Kubrick.
[Quote]

[Svarog5570]

it's time to chop off Uncle Sam's tentacles

[jovanni]

Quote: Roman1970

Well, what has the "Military Review" to do with it?

And besides! What this uncle says, they will do. And what is there - diesels, pills or financial dips - it makes no difference to this uncle. Already he will find a painful point, and press on it to the fullest, be sure! And all these flickers, olands and others twitch like dolls on strings! They will do what they say. And he says to them - "Fas!" Well, he shows us ... And while we snap at these bugs as much as we can, this uncle is dragging ...

[emercom1979]

And what prevents us from returning the mandatory testing of foreign products in accordance with GOSTs? How is the pressure lever? The question was rhetorical ... I will answer myself. I would like to drive a Mercedes, drink a Coke, call from an iPhone. In general, the western freebie.

[bluesman]

Quote: emercom1979

mandatory testing of foreign products in accordance with GOSTs?

heard about GOST-R, no? About non-tariff regulation measures, etc.?

[emercom1979]

I have not only heard about the entire regulatory framework and standards, but even studied (the specifics of the profession) used the abbreviation as a collective image. The question is that everything has been changed and brought to such conditions that practically everything (for the sake of the West and the WTO) can be extended to us, as to a country of the 3rd world, and we cannot, and we do not want to object. A good example, though not in terms of products but in terms of professional activity. The certificate of a diver from Europe is valid in Russia, but the Russian certificate in Europe is not valid. Why? (just recently mastered a new specialty)

[bluesman]

Quote: emercom1979

Why?

because qualification standards and product quality standards are not the same thing.

Quote: emercom1979

we cannot, and we do not want to object

we can and want, but it does not work. Certification is the same corruption-intensive area as any other in our country. The relative "tightening" began with the introduction of technical regulations of the CU, but in general, as expected, this is just another spear for business, which, by the way, can be bypassed.

[emercom1979]

I agree about qualification standards, but we agreed on these points, their price is not satisfied our training costs about 100 thousand rubles and they have 30 thousand euros. They go broke.

[bluesman]

Quote: emercom1979

I agree about the qualification standards, but we agreed on these points, their price does not suit us, the training costs within 100 thousand rubles and they have 30 thousand euros.

nd, comrade, problem ... Well, I wish you success) "Our whole life is a struggle ..." (c)
Respect, by the way, for the decision to master such a profession.

[Tanker55]

Germany would have checked American cars at its stand, then they would have talked, but alas, the allies lack the fortitude.

[Stas57]

It turns out that the Americans deliberately, without any particular reason, without trying to civilize technical differences in a civilized manner, found fault with the VAG company and imposed a 18-billion dollar fine. What immediately put the industrial ridge of Germany, the company VAG, on the verge of bankruptcy. What is it done for? Now the true goal is clear - that the leadership of Germany should perfectly follow the leadership of the "foreign regional committee". Including the invasion of Syria.

atu dastardly americans, atu!

This, we recall, is a tricky built-in software that, when checking for cleanliness of the exhaust, detects the connection of test equipment and puts the engine in low emissions mode. And after the test devices are turned off, they go back to the real operating mode, in which the emissions of nitrogen oxides NOx can exceed permissible norms by a factor of 40. Both that, and another - a direct violation of US laws, where the fraud was revealed by the forces of the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The US Department of Justice has already initiated its own investigation into the violation of the law.
auto RU

It took a little more than two weeks for the German concern to agree with the accusations of the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA): The second official notice of violation of the law was issued on November 2 and related to 3.0 TDI engines. Sales of the suspected Volkswagen Touareg, Audi A6, A7, A8, Q5, Q7 and Porsche Cayenne models in North America were immediately suspended, although the automaker initially rejected the allegations and the Porsche board played offended innocence.

Now the fact is no longer denied, however, in its own interpretation. On the one hand, the presence of fraudulent software is recognized even on a larger number of cars: 85 thousand units versus 10 thousand voiced in the EPA note from November 2. And not 2014 — 2016, but 2009 — 2016 model years. However, according to VW, only Audi Q7 crossover and only 2009 — 2012 years fall from the Audi models.

The Germans explain the initial refusal of charges by the fact that the “cunning software” is of a completely different kind than on two-liter diesel engines, and it was supposedly considered by the engineers to be absolutely legal - at least according to European standards. However, probably, due to forgetfulness, it was not indicated in the application for certification in the USA - which is a violation of American laws.


http://www.autoreview.ru/news/8014/153043/


An investigation by the United States Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) forced Volkswagen to admit that illegal software that allowed diesel engines to “cheat" environmental tests was also installed on V6 3.0 TDI three-liter diesel engines.
did not even rock the boat ....

but in general, capitalists from the PV were cheating in some places in pursuit of profit, violated American law, was caught by the hand, but the lousy Americans were to blame.

[bluesman]

Quote: Stas57

was caught by the hand, but lousy americans are to blame.

yes, I would also not hold VW for innocent injured victims. The funny thing is that the scandal began with the good intention of VW and Audi enthusiasts to prove the superiority of German diesels and their environmental friendliness. But - with good intentions, as you know ...
Fans of "mirror measures" here offer to test and present the "Americans" in a similar way. Curious where they'll get American non-commercial diesel vehicles?

[Snail N9]

What is written in the article is not entirely true, or rather not at all true. The fact is that the so-called "inconsistency" in speed during the test arose due to the fact that the standards in the US and the EU differ in terms of measurement - in the US in miles, in the EU - in km / h. Both in the first and in the second case, the values ​​"round" are simply translated into a larger value in km / h. This is, firstly, secondly, the problem with the "non-compliance" arose not because of the "non-compliance with standards", but in the fact that the sensors for measuring nitrogen oxides emissions were "programmatically" readjusted to indicate lower values ​​in order to provide greater acceleration characteristics of the engine, high torque, etc. to ensure the advertising attractiveness of the car. I don’t like the Americans, but in this case they’re right — the Volkswagen management — the sharpshooters who cheated customers for years. However, absolutely all automakers are guilty of this, and I agree with the author that the demonstrative "whipping" of Volkswagen was started in order to show (to those who began to forget it) - "who is the boss".

[bluesman]

Quote: Snail N9

that US and EU standards differ in measurement

come on. Like, in American VW the software is exclusively metric? And stupid Americans poked their heads with an inch ruler?

Quote: Snail N9

the sensors for measuring nitrogen oxides emissions have been "programmed" readjusted to show lower values ​​in order to

Well? So, in fact, that's what we're talking about, Cap.

[snc]

Is there anything confused in the article? According to the description, the American test is just much softer.

[faridg7]

This is how our authorities need to work - if necessary, once, and pressed the lever, and techies do not eat their bread for nothing and politicians with the concept of how to use it do not hesitate opinions of others. In general, from the experience of handling American engines and engines of European origin on trucks, I can argue that if 430 horses are declared in an American engine, then this is 430 horses, and in a diesel engine of European origin or with European intervention there are also 430 horses, but all horses are ponies ... Crooks.

[YaMZ-238]

Euro-6 Euro-6 .... KAMAZ has such smoke from the exhaust pipes .... the factories are jealous)))