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The Bundestag allowed the FRG armed forces to join the "anti-terrorist coalition" in Syria and Iraq

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Today, the German parliament (Bundestag) officially approved the initiative to join the country's armed forces in an operation against the militants DAISH (ISIS). Recall earlier for consideration by the Bundestag was presented the plan of the Ministry of Defense of Germany, which refers to the support of the coalition allies through the use of electronic reconnaissance aircraft, as well as refueling aircraft in Syria and Iraq. In addition, it says about the readiness for sending to the Eastern Mediterranean "escort ship". According to official Berlin, the participation of German Air Force combat aircraft in the operation is not planned.


The Bundestag allowed the FRG armed forces to join the "anti-terrorist coalition" in Syria and Iraq


Representatives of opposition forces in the Bundestag spoke against the initiative. Sarah Wagenknecht, a representative of the “Left” faction, states that she had never heard that the initiative to start the operation was born three days before it began without any well-thought-out strategy and preparation. According to Sarah Wagenknecht, "this is madness, which can complicate an already hot situation around Syria."

Radio station DW quotes Sarah Wagenknecht:
Such an operation can only worsen the situation in Syria and strengthen the DAISH (ISIL).


It seems that Sarah Wagenknecht knows something about the strategy of the so-called "American coalition" ...

Meanwhile, materials have appeared in the German media that say that the entry of Germany into the Syrian conflict is the first step in the “trap set in the Middle East by Vladimir Putin.” So, for example, the browser considers The World Thorsten Jungholt. And in the Süddeutsche Zeitung they write that Germany was in a difficult situation, because "Russia and Asad have all recorded terrorists, including moderate rebels." According to analysts of the publication, Germany is being drawn into a conflict, "where there are no German interests."
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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 4 December 2015 18: 13 New
    +8
    apparently they are already dividing spheres of influence in Syria. Like Germany at the end of World War II
    1. tanit
      tanit 4 December 2015 18: 18 New
      +3
      Well, today's Germany is not the same as at the end of the Great Patriotic War. And no one will reckon with them when carving up.
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 4 December 2015 18: 27 New
        +7
        Was the consultation with the Turks ..? am
        Germans Turks ... How familiar everything is! Then the British and French ... Israel smiles!
        1. Good me
          Good me 4 December 2015 18: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Was the consultation with the Turks ..?
          Germans Turks ... How familiar everything is! Then the British and French ... Israel smiles!


          And how about, "SMILE" to us, after the information about IT?



          I don’t think that the Zvezda TV channel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation took something wrong or took advantage of unverified information ...

          http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201512041752-38qh.htm

          4 December 2015, 18: 03
          Turkey invades Syrian territory to protect oil of terrorists



          The Turkish army invaded Syria and took control of the Tal-Ziyab hill. Ankara violated international law in order to save caravans of illegal oil coming from the territory where the terrorists boss.

          First, the Turkish-Syrian border was crossed by infantry, accompanied by bulldozers. In a matter of hours, the Turks built a fortified area in the occupied lands. Then reinforcements arrived: three tanks, two BPMs and several armored SUVs.

          The occupied height allows you to control the paths along which fuel trucks from Raqqa, occupied by terrorists, penetrate into Turkey. Another goal of Ankara is to halve the land where Kurds live, waging war against militants.

          The reaction of international organizations to Turkish aggression has not yet followed.

          Meanwhile, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu made a loud statement about the sanctions imposed by Russia after the attack on Su-24. Speaking live on Turkish television, Davutoglu said that the measures taken "will not bring his country to its knees." He also added that Ankara will not apologize for the incident with a Russian bomber shot down by a Turkish fighter on 24 on November.
        2. BilliBoms09
          BilliBoms09 4 December 2015 18: 46 New
          +1
          Well, now wait for Schlieffen's plan "march of ain columns, march of zwein of columns ..." smile
          1. cniza
            cniza 4 December 2015 20: 42 New
            +3
            Quote: BilliBoms09
            Well, now wait for Schlieffen's plan "march of ain columns, march of zwein of columns ..." smile



            One gets the impression that this is a fashion trend and everyone wants to be in time, dear you "our" gayropeans, it is necessary to fight there, our destinies are being decided there ... the USA has already decided everything for you, but we will fight for ourselves, for the Motherland and Russian birches.
          2. cniza
            cniza 4 December 2015 20: 42 New
            +2
            Quote: BilliBoms09
            Well, now wait for Schlieffen's plan "march of ain columns, march of zwein of columns ..." smile



            One gets the impression that this is a fashion trend and everyone wants to be in time, dear you, "our" gayropeans, it is necessary to fight there, our destinies are decided there ... the USA has already decided everything for you, but we will fight for ourselves, for the Motherland and for Russian birches.
        3. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 4 December 2015 22: 59 New
          +1
          "According to analysts of the publication, Germany is drawn into a conflict where there are no German interests."

          Yah? You might think that interest is purely sports. The main thing is participation?
      2. Denis Obukhov
        Denis Obukhov 4 December 2015 18: 28 New
        +4
        Quote: tanit
        Well, today's Germany is not the same as at the end of the Great Patriotic War. And no one will reckon with them when carving up.



        Well, the fascists are no strangers to invading without asking ... True, maybe someone will remind them of how it always ended for them?
        1. tanit
          tanit 4 December 2015 18: 43 New
          +4
          Yes, if only one hundredth of the power of the then Nazis would have been. And the leaders - albeit scum, but the Germans led the way (this is about the Great Patriotic War) About the creation of Germany itself - so there is not only personal charisma, there is also talent, how many Bismarcs or Fredericks II the Great were in history - fortunately, only one at a time.
          And what now - well ... - what grew after May 9, 1945, has grown. By the way, I personally have not a shadow of sympathy for them.
          1. Scoun
            Scoun 4 December 2015 18: 57 New
            +7
            Quote: tanit
            By the way, I personally have not a shadow of sympathy for them.

            Mutually. +

            By the way ... how tired of all these remarks about the moderate opposition ... armies of bandits and terrorists are operating in your country, and instead of helping first to his State with this misfortune ... this "moderate" is essentially hammering this state together with isis ... in fact, this is still that foe who is a jackal and tries to snatch his piece of jackal in the war.
            1. tanit
              tanit 4 December 2015 19: 11 New
              +1
              Quote: Scoun
              armies of bandits and terrorists are operating in your country, and instead of helping first to his State with this misfortune ... this "moderate" is essentially hollowing out this state along with the igils ... in fact, it is still that foe who is a jackal and tries to fight in war snatch a piece of your jackal.

              Revenge has not been canceled. Remember how Gaddafi's hometown, Sirte, was holding on? How many assaults have you repulsed? And who is in Sirte now - IS.
              Not any politics, just a desire to take revenge at any cost. That the soldiers - who did not betray Muammor, that the soldiers who did not betray Saddam - both of them are few left - but they can still do a lot, as it turned out.
              1. Diana Ilyina
                Diana Ilyina 4 December 2015 23: 24 New
                +9
                Not any politics, just a desire to take revenge at any cost.

                And who are they taking revenge on ?! Libyans, Syrians, Iraqis ... WHOM ?! They went to Daesh because they were kicked out from everywhere, they were not given work, they were doomed to death by starvation - we hear this now, have mercy on them! Why didn’t these fighters become partisans, why didn’t they fight against the Americans in Iraq, even when the top leadership betrayed them ?! Because, they have neither pride, nor honor, nor courage, and what they do is not revenge, it is meanness, robbery and murder, but not REVENGE! If they really wanted to take revenge, they would be fighting against the Americans now, even with Assad together, even with the devil!
                1. tanit
                  tanit 5 December 2015 06: 45 New
                  0
                  Pride, courage and honor ... I don't know about Saddam's soldiers, I'll tell you about Gaddafi's fighters. There was everything, but it was not the Americans who tore the Colonel to pieces - the same "people" of his own Jamakheria. While Khamis (Gaddafi's son) was alive - the remnants of his brigade - fought honestly. There is no Khamis.
                  Commit suicide - destroying the whole world.
                  I understand them. I don't approve, but I understand. soldier
      3. Altona
        Altona 4 December 2015 18: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: tanit
        Well, today's Germany is not the same

        -----------------------
        Malbrook is going on a campaign ... There are not even suitable aircraft, everything rusted on the ground ...
        1. tanit
          tanit 4 December 2015 19: 13 New
          0
          Quote: Altona
          Malbrook is going on a campaign ...

          Well, in general, the Duke of Marlborough then had a little more strength (for his time, of course) wink
      4. Skif83
        Skif83 5 December 2015 09: 56 New
        0
        I would not be so reckless about today's Germany.
        In my opinion, it is the strongest NATO country in Europe and the most powerful economy in Europe.
        Yes, Merkel is a puppet of obamok, but besides Angelka, are there no pragmatic and smart people?
        Here another thing is worse, Germany is reaching a new frontier, so to speak, for the first time after WWII it participates in a war with the possible use of all its military potential!
        And in Europe the warriors of Germany have no equal, it is historically so.
        Foggy Albion has long been at war with someone else's hands, the French and Italians, like warriors, are weak against Germany.
        The revival of a powerful and long-standing enemy of Russia is not good! Yes, they are no longer like the Germans of the Hitler period, Europeanism and tolerance, etc. affect, but we are not yet the same as in 1945, when there was no equal to us.
        Underestimating the enemy is one of the main mistakes!
    2. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 4 December 2015 18: 26 New
      +5
      I will never believe in the fair play of the German fascists!
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 4 December 2015 19: 33 New
        +2
        They rushed to the table. The best pieces will grab! France can be understood, but these climb (Germany with England, especially England) for their piece Then they will puff out their cheeks and blow bubbles
    3. Vikings
      Vikings 4 December 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      Wanting is not harmful. But in real life there are graves with birch crosses.
      So be it, Russia will put a birch on the crosses, in the form of gum-
      help!
    4. nersmail
      nersmail 4 December 2015 22: 02 New
      0
      It fits the fact that Homs was given to Assad by the opposition without a fight. Draw the border already in sight. There, Iran is already picking up a piece, the aircraft has posted. Englishmen climb too.
  2. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 4 December 2015 18: 16 New
    +2
    "Powerful" support! They will be engaged in IDB! (Imitation of violent activity) Okay, at least that way, and not bomb the water supply system and cobblestones in the desert.
  3. lukke
    lukke 4 December 2015 18: 16 New
    +2
    According to the analysts of the publication, Germany is being drawn into a conflict "where there are no German interests."
    but you Germans throw it! The black lord said to participate, so we answer "yavol" and with the song. And what does it mean there are no interests? - Doesn't Turkey send you true Aryans with blue eyes for permanent residence? You will need to help Turkey and you will also die for it by the order of the darkest - since you are spineless since the 45th year.
    1. marshes
      marshes 4 December 2015 18: 38 New
      +1
      Quote: lukke
      Doesn't Turkey send you true Aryans with blue eyes for permanent residence?

      The Turks, the field of war settled in Germany, Gasterili. Why should the Germans refuse them? Moreover, they work where the natives refuse.
      P / S Relatives live in expanded clay-concrete cottage 60g. built by the Turks and the price is tempting 146000 euros, Uero, West Rhine-Westphalia, a house on three levels for one owner, a plot of 10 acres, the total area of ​​the house is 270, sq. m.
      Damn, it's a shame, here you think Europe and here are some Turks laughing So what a worry about Europe, it looks ridiculous, as if someone is preparing a place for themselves there among gay Europeans. laughing
  4. sherman1506
    sherman1506 4 December 2015 18: 17 New
    17
    We got bastards, when will you settle down

    1. tanit
      tanit 4 December 2015 18: 21 New
      10
      Thank. And for the clip. And for Vysotsky.
  5. avva2012
    avva2012 4 December 2015 18: 18 New
    +2
    And in the Süddeutsche Zeitung they write that Germany was in a difficult situation, because "Russia and Assad have all been recorded as terrorists, including moderate rebels."
    Why only, "moderate rebels", there is already Turkey, somewhere Qatar. However, it’s not yet evening, the circle will expand. The so-called coalition will be all smeared. Leftists understand in Germany, and the authorities too, but they can’t do anything. An occupation.
  6. sober
    sober 4 December 2015 18: 18 New
    +6
    What a show off of them? They have only 28 flying aircraft left, and only 6 are being sent.
    1. Sober
      Sober 4 December 2015 20: 04 New
      0
      Well, I liked it.
      Quote: sober
      What a show off of them? They have only 28 flying aircraft left, and only 6 are being sent.
  7. Masya masya
    Masya masya 4 December 2015 18: 19 New
    +5
    They don't want to hear the voice of reason, I mean Sarah Wagenknecht ...
    1. sa-ag
      sa-ag 5 December 2015 08: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Masya Masya
      They don't want to hear the voice of reason, I mean Sarah Wagenknecht ...

      There was one "voice of reason", his name was Frederica Mogherini, and somehow this "voice" can no longer be heard
  8. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 4 December 2015 18: 22 New
    +4
    you must first ask Syria for permission and then carry out the operation or the fascists don't care
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 4 December 2015 18: 23 New
    10
    Yet a big war cannot be avoided.
    I mean Europe, on the eve of a big war, because not only morality, conscience and honesty in politics became an anachronism, the laws on which they lived for the last 70 years began to be trampled. Germany got together for the war, Finland begins the arms trade, Japan adopted an act allowing the use of force self-defense outside the borders. It looks like we will have to write new rules ............
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 December 2015 18: 39 New
      +2
      And the fact that Turkey will voluntarily withdraw its troops from Syria is hard to believe. Nothing good is on the horizon. As I said, you need to prepare for the worst.
      1. tanit
        tanit 4 December 2015 18: 47 New
        0
        Quote: 1976AG
        And the fact that Turkey will voluntarily withdraw its troops from Syria is hard to believe. Nothing good is on the horizon. As I said, you need to prepare for the worst.

        And who are the regular troops of Turkey and where? Enlighten? Here are just about the super-duper long-range Turkish mortars (from D. Asmolova), hitting Damascus - no need to mention, okay? laughing
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 4 December 2015 19: 14 New
          +2
          It was reported in the "news" that the Turkish invaded the territory of Syria, occupied some heights, made fortifications with the help of engineering technology and now control (guard) the columns of fuel trucks. The West is silent about this, and ours are not shouting too much.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 4 December 2015 19: 21 New
            -1
            Quote: 1976AG
            Broadcast in the "news"

            Which ones? Share the link, plz ..

            Quote: 1976AG
            that the Turkish invaded

            The Turkish invaded is FIVE. The movie was like "Turkish March". Have they invaded?

            Quote: 1976AG
            invaded Syria, occupied some heights

            Some heights are FIVE again.

            Quote: 1976AG
            and now they control (guard) the columns of fuel tankers

            Nu-nu .. look at the map of Syria, find where the fuel trucks are coming from, and figure out where to "invade" in order to protect them .. not to mention "control".

            Some kind of nonsense, IMHO yes
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 4 December 2015 19: 28 New
              +2
              Well, I missed the word "troops", and you were delighted as a little child !!! There is nothing to touch anymore, so even before that? And what do you advise me to look at the map? Advise the "news" announcer. Sometimes leave the site, see "news"!
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 4 December 2015 19: 37 New
                -2
                Quote: 1976AG
                Well, I missed the word "troops", and you were delighted as a little child

                Come on ... really, it turned out funny.

                Quote: 1976AG
                And what do you advise me to look at the map? Advise the "news" announcer

                I mean, "news" is 99 percent nonsense. (999)

                Quote: 1976AG
                Sometimes leave the site, see "news"!

                You know .. reminded me from Woe from Wit:

                I'm not stupid reader,
                And more than exemplary.

                hi

                PS: here's to the question of how "news is made" (link because the admin won't skip the text) laughing

                Quote: http://segal.livejournal.com/704669.html
                Media panic. How news is made
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 4 December 2015 19: 47 New
                  0
                  Just in the "news" on the Ren TV channel, it was reported that the Turkish army had invaded Syria and consolidated its position on the border area. It's good that you read "Woe from Wit", but what we are shown in the "news", we see. And to believe or not is a personal matter for everyone.
                  1. tanit
                    tanit 4 December 2015 20: 03 New
                    +2
                    Which one? ISIS, Kurds or "opposition"? There are no Syrian troops there, and IS is already a "state". By the way, about REN, but do you believe in reptilians and other annuaks?
                    No, I'm not arguing. Intruded. On foot. And our (don't be confused by the flag) Russian base was taken. And then they flew to Nibiru. wassat
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 4 December 2015 20: 29 New
                    +1
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Just in the "news" on Ren TV they broadcast

                    Fuck-TV is a powerful source of information laughing

                    The primary source was, as I understand it, Life News. With an incomprehensible reference to unnamed "Syrian sources".

                    Again -

                    Quote: http://segal.livejournal.com/704669.html
                    Media panic. How news is made

                    Read - you will not regret it, I guarantee yes
                    1. marshes
                      marshes 4 December 2015 20: 37 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Fuck-TV is a powerful source of information

                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      The primary source was, as I understand it, Life News. With an incomprehensible reference to unnamed "Syrian sources".

                      I have a plate, damn it, I stopped watching your news from the Crimea. laughing
                      You don't even know what to watch, information. -Echo of Moscow or ROSBALT, and then they are partially blocked with us. There is no honest news!
                      1. tanit
                        tanit 5 December 2015 06: 59 New
                        0
                        Echo is honest news ?! belay Hmm ...
                        Quote: marshes
                        No honest news!
                    2. tanit
                      tanit 4 December 2015 20: 41 New
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Read it - you will not regret it, I guarantee yes

                      You are not serious, are you? Well, how, in fact, will anyone else read it? laughing wassat Well ... this is what I will post such news winked
                      And to be honest, it's sad.
                      Best regards hi
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 4 December 2015 21: 13 New
                        0
                        Quote: tanit
                        Well, how, in fact, will anyone else read it?

                        This thing has been around for 6 years already.

                        And the technology for the production of "news" is disclosed, IMHO, exhaustively .. somewhere from this moment starting:

                        Press service of the Ministry of Health of Zimbabwe: Over the past week in Zimbabwe, two and a half thousand people died from hunger, five thousand four hundred from poisoning with rotten bananas and one person from goose nonsense.

                        Journalist (recording): Goose nonsense made the top three causes of death in Zimbabwe

                        All. The news was created and went for a walk on "sources of information". At the same time, the journalist did not even lie, mind you yes
                2. tanit
                  tanit 4 December 2015 19: 50 New
                  +1
                  “I would strictly forbid these persons to approach the capitals for a shot.” ​​Griboyedov.
            2. tanit
              tanit 4 December 2015 19: 32 New
              0
              To invade IS (for now) territory. And from the side of Jordan, the same. belay laughing
          2. DOMINO100
            DOMINO100 4 December 2015 19: 34 New
            +2
            I wrote about this earlier. And it is not for nothing that the Germans throw 1200 of their soldiers there. They will cover the Turks! the Germans and the Turks have been loving since ancient times! guys will have to fight 100%, and here in England we see!
            1. marshes
              marshes 4 December 2015 19: 46 New
              0
              Quote: DOMINO100
              we see here in England too!

              Today I am under the KZ flag, and sometimes the provider puts the Estonian flag sometimes the European one. laughing
              It is strange but Kents who are in Britain write that from Britain .... England, Wales, S. Ireland and lovers of hages, bagpipes, skirts Scotland. smile
              1. Cat man null
                Cat man null 4 December 2015 19: 51 New
                0
                Quote: marshes
                sometimes the provider sets the Estonian flag sometimes the European

                The checkbox sets, as far as I understand, the site. By IP.

                I recently had an American IP. I mean - he was in the profile on the site, so he is quite Russian wink

                And now - in general, Iceland is some kind of .. the question is - where does the site get such IP addresses?
                1. marshes
                  marshes 4 December 2015 19: 58 New
                  0
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  And now - in general, Iceland is some kind of .. the question is - where does the site get such IP addresses?

                  Simply, satellites.
                  Our topic is clear, ah pi rent. 30 gigs for short-circuit, then cheap rent. Zero speeds, as I'm a movie lover, I download after 3.
                  In general, I am sitting on a 4k flyer, but here is a house plus an apartment, and there are other cities of KZ, RF for work. smile
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 4 December 2015 20: 05 New
                    0
                    Quote: marshes
                    Simply, satellites.

                    Well, nafik .. I have a wired Internet from a Russian provider. Local-local ..

                    Whoer (there is such a beast - http://whoer.net/) to me honestly, ip, he says.

                    And VO from somewhere picks up all the nonsense laughing
              2. DOMINO100
                DOMINO100 5 December 2015 00: 49 New
                +1
                I had Estonian 7 months ago since I lived in Estonia where now my wife and children are. I'm in England. London. The flag is British.
          3. Delink
            Delink 5 December 2015 08: 11 New
            0
            You read the repost above and you will immediately find out where and what.
      2. cap
        cap 4 December 2015 19: 14 New
        +1
        I don’t envy the Germans. They get involved in vain. In Berlin, on Alexanderplatsstrasse (it seems), the avenue leading to the Reistag, on a weekday, there are more Turks and Arabs than Germans. You can imagine how they will react to the strikes of the German air force in Syria and Iraq. The result is no military ( 3 planes), but politically they will receive a return line, standing behind the counters.
        The Americans lead 100% of the Germans to the slaughter. They take the "ErdoganOIL Corporation" for business.
        The German Defense Minister urgently needs to start working in his specialty.
        This is my strong belief hi
      3. voronbel53
        voronbel53 4 December 2015 19: 55 New
        +1
        Quote: 1976AG
        As I said, you need to prepare for the worst.

        One may ask - to whom and for whom is this the worst prepared? If Erdogan does not understand any hints and continues his imperial policy tied to complicity with Daesh, who will be worse from this? I'm afraid you didn't listen well to yesterday's speech, and, in general, our policy on combating terrorism and with accomplices, in particular ...
    2. Sober
      Sober 4 December 2015 20: 08 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      . Looks like we will have to write new rules ..........

      If anyone will. After the war.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 4 December 2015 21: 46 New
        0
        Quote: Sober
        Quote: APASUS
        . Looks like we will have to write new rules ..........

        If anyone will. After the war.

        I think it may not even reach the point of extermination, but the world trend is heading towards a global conflict and the next treaty "On Peace" may be carved in stone with a chisel!
  10. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 4 December 2015 18: 27 New
    0
    are these the same aircraft in which 3 of 4 aircraft do not fly?)
  11. engineer74
    engineer74 4 December 2015 18: 28 New
    +1
    Germany is drawn into a conflict "where there are no German interests."

    But what about "Drang nach Osten!" ??? It's in their blood! We have already gone to the “simple” East several times - didn’t like it, now the “call of the ancestors” is pulling the Middle East? what
    And since when have RER aircraft and tankers become non-combatant? And zakem RER lead? All ISIS uses their connection, only the Russian Aerospace Forces and the SAA remain! am
  12. Baloo
    Baloo 4 December 2015 18: 31 New
    +3
    Now these will also raise dust and interfere with the work of ISIS. It’s worthless, they stopped reading Bismarck, but in vain. angry
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 4 December 2015 18: 44 New
      +3
      Soon there will be traffic jams in the air from so many aircraft. Will our traffic controller S-400 cope?
  13. viktor561
    viktor561 4 December 2015 18: 43 New
    +1
    "through the use of electronic reconnaissance aircraft in Syria and Iraq" - Yes, the intelligence behind our videoconferencing - and probably also electronic warfare - will be good help - bastards !!!
  14. From Samara
    From Samara 4 December 2015 18: 46 New
    +1
    Yes, in the FRG, except for the KSK, there are no combat-ready units ...
  15. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 4 December 2015 18: 55 New
    +2
    As if the stab in the back is not repeated from the grouping of all this NATO scum. A crow flew in, sensed a live.
  16. SAXA.SHURA
    SAXA.SHURA 4 December 2015 19: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: AdekvatNICK
    apparently they are already dividing spheres of influence in Syria. Like Germany at the end of World War II

    And if not German interests, then why the hell are you getting there.
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 4 December 2015 19: 09 New
    0
    Quote: dchegrinec
    "Powerful" support! Will be engaged in IDB! (Imitation of violent activity)

    Obviously, another prank is being prepared on the part of our Western partners in the fight against IS! As IS is approaching the khan, thanks to the strikes of Russia, the West will determine an area in which the same thugs operating there as IS will be declared a moderate opposition and this area, with the help of Western new "allies" of Russia, will be taken under protection by NATO forces sent there (and, by opportunities, expand), so that after the final defeat of IS through this "moderate opposition" to take part in the division of power in Syria with the clear intention of ousting Assad!
    1. tanit
      tanit 4 December 2015 19: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Goldmitro
      Obviously, another prank is being prepared on the part of our Western partners in the fight against IS! As IS is approaching the khan, thanks to the strikes of Russia, the West will determine an area in which the same thugs operating there as IS will be declared a moderate opposition and this area, with the help of Western new "allies" of Russia, will be taken under protection by NATO forces sent there (and, by opportunities, expand), so that after the final defeat of IS through this "moderate opposition" to take part in the division of power in Syria with the clear intention of ousting Assad!

      Imagine, but most of the Turkish-Syrian border is under the control of the Kurds anyway. 98 km - IG, less than 80 - "opposition" (but now the Syrians and Kurds are finishing them off). Who will share power and with whom?
      Assad and Syrian Kurds - they have the power to share and be measured by powers. And, well, also the shadow of the Darkest One will be invisibly present. on the "share".
  18. guzik007
    guzik007 4 December 2015 19: 20 New
    +1
    Oh! Well thank you! Spineless nemchura deigned to allow us! I am in a hurry from this impudence in half with arrogance. This is when the videoconferencing has filled up as many hottabyches as they all could not in three years.
  19. DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 4 December 2015 19: 21 New
    +3
    Russian "Crocodiles" cleared the path of the SAR Armed Forces in northern Latakia
    that's how it should be! and what does every day!
  20. marshes
    marshes 4 December 2015 19: 32 New
    +1
    Okay, it's no secret that in the Bundsphere there are many immigrants from the USSR, for example, Afghanistan. Red like crayfish from the sun, it is strange that they do not turn bronze laughing , although those from Shima, Chimkent, or Taraz, Dzhambul can easily endure the heat. There are only a few of them, the acquired mentality allows them to settle down well in a new place. smile
    And the Kokchetavsky was sweating and cursing ... laughing
    1. tanit
      tanit 4 December 2015 19: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: marshes
      Okay, it's no secret that in the Bundsphere there are many immigrants from the USSR, for example, Afghanistan. Red as crayfish from the sun, it is strange that they don’t turn bronze laughing, although those from Shima, Chimkent, or Taraz, Dzhambul can easily endure the heat. Their units, the acquired mentality allows not will not settle well in a new place. smile
      And the Kokchetavsky was sweating and swearing .... laughing

      Those who were not born in these worthy (without any irony) cities - but those who served in those lands - begin to sweat at +20 even in St. Petersburg (the humidity is different, you see). But the heat is just tolerated.
      Sincerely. hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 4 December 2015 20: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: tanit
        Those who were not born in these worthy (without any irony) cities - but those who served in those lands - begin to sweat at +20 even in St. Petersburg (the humidity is different, you see). But the heat is just tolerated.
        Sincerely.

        It’s, yes, they come to visit us in Kazakhstan, they come like pale toadstools. They sweat, it’s all ... That there is a visitor visa for 15 days, fortunately we have changed, already without a visa, They can come, the term has not yet been studied. under the blush they receive, Kirizy, if not the brakes, can create conditions for Issykul, also make a visa without a visa.
      2. marshes
        marshes 4 December 2015 20: 32 New
        +1
        Vadim, I think that you are with KZ, Flag-Beeline KZ-is amused by this.
        At the expense of Peter, the city and the museums are gorgeous, but I fell, I just saw a ship's rat in the garbage dump, with the size of a dog laughing , I saw the same garbage in Odessa, life goes on behind the facades. smile
        There are quite a few of them in Almaty, we are fighting, and then they appeared as a field of escape from the "interesting institute". Kind souls let go. 1992. Thankfully, they are not contagious.
        1. tanit
          tanit 4 December 2015 20: 52 New
          +1
          swamps (sorry, that with a small letter - so you spelled it out, but I don't know the name) ... Lyrical digression hi
          I’m really being sometimes in the city of Penza and other "provincial" ones (in St. Petersburg, too, sometimes, by the way, it’s easier) - frankly, I don’t hesitate later. Except February.
          And about everything else ... Hmm ... Every City has its own dungeons.
          And how do you like a 3-day tour to the city of Alma-Ata (sorry, I'm in the old fashioned way) worth 16 rubles?
          1. marshes
            marshes 4 December 2015 21: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: tanit
            And how do you like a 3-day tour to the city of Alma-Ata (sorry, I'm in the old fashioned way) worth 16 rubles?

            In killed raccoons for what? Yes, I measure my life in American candy wrappers. Just understood one thing, and who will feed my family? The state? Rose-colored glasses have long been removed, but I keep my capital in hard currency, There is NZ, my military service and father, Two plastic barrels of food.
            It has long been clear that there is no one to hope for. Plus a hunter and a valid security license ... With the ensuing consequences.
            So in Almaty, but not something interesting, a big village ... What was shit ... and everything is expensive.
            1. tanit
              tanit 4 December 2015 21: 11 New
              +1
              Now stop whining laughing I wrote in a personal, if anything.
              Eh, freedom for the moderator, but also about the flood ...
              Every mound is history ...
              1. marshes
                marshes 4 December 2015 21: 18 New
                +1
                Quote: tanit
                But stop whining. I wrote in a personal, if anything.
                Eh, freedom for the moderator, but also about the flood ...
                Every mound is history ...

                And the mood is, hello to the moderators as well as the owners of the site. That would be the key to delete the profile.
                In our KZ, the "interesting" begins.
                So, on January 1, 2016, a national security certificate for Internet users will start operating in Kazakhstan. Corresponding changes were made to the law of the republic "On communications".
                Telecom operators will be required to pass traffic using encrypted protocols with a security certificate. The only exception will be traffic encrypted by means of cryptographic protection of information on the territory of Kazakhstan.

                "The national security certificate will ensure the protection of Kazakhstani users when using encrypted access protocols to foreign Internet resources," says the explanation of the changes.

                The technical details of the innovation are not yet fully known. The news about the changes in the law appeared on November 30 on the website of the state provider Kazakhtelecom, but was later removed. A copy of it has been preserved in the Google cache archive.

                “In fact, users will be forced to trust the root certificate issued by a local CA,” says the SecurityLab website. - The presence of such a certificate on the system / device will allow the special services to carry out MitM attacks on any user in the region and to decrypt any data transmitted over encrypted channels. Thus, any connection using SSL can be decrypted and all data intercepted. "
                Read more: http://42.tut.by/475452
                So fellow countrymen do not ....... ti. laughing
                1. tanit
                  tanit 4 December 2015 21: 32 New
                  +1
                  Yah?
                  But my son periodically wakes me up, I am in a panic. Now the FSB, then his KNB - fixes and blocks. I'm tired of fighting lol with the system ... They crush us and crush us ... Sadness ... And the antivirus is so the fascists invented ... laughing
                  By the way...
                  A joke about "the last Muslim and everything in the blood of a Russian" - I heard from a KNB officer for the first time (there was no Internet like now)
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 4 December 2015 21: 47 New
                    +1
                    Quote: tanit
                    Yah?
                    But my son periodically wakes me up, I am in a panic. Now the FSB, then his KNB - fixes and blocks. I'm already tired of fighting the system ... They are crushing us and crushing us ... Sadness ... And the antivirus, so the fascists invented it ...

                    According to rumors, for a long time the Chinese have been tracking Internet traffic ... Marcians, I got banned for this, it doesn't smell like Russians. laughing
                    Everyone will be combed out quickly, although they came out of the shadows ... laughing Now the official confirmation.
                    I was in one country, I liked it but far away, and another country is interesting, there are ten times more sheep than the population of the country.
                    1. tanit
                      tanit 4 December 2015 22: 12 New
                      +1
                      Country - Peru? (I APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE)
                      1. marshes
                        marshes 4 December 2015 22: 23 New
                        +1

                        Hobite Country! laughing
                        I also have interesting coins, and the Kyrgyz have already registered there. laughing
                      2. tanit
                        tanit 5 December 2015 06: 34 New
                        0
                        Somehow (with a fool repeat ) watched the New Zealand movie "I survived the zombie invasion" - the only thing that stuck in my memory after watching the hack.
  • TOR2
    TOR2 4 December 2015 19: 58 New
    +4
    Not for good, all this NATO gadyushnik slides down there ...
  • Robert Nevsky
    Robert Nevsky 4 December 2015 20: 46 New
    +1
    The Germans will lose that war too.
  • scorpiosys
    scorpiosys 4 December 2015 22: 57 New
    0
    Girls from the Bundestag want to HAVE boys from RUSSIAN VKS ...
    Our boys from VKS cannot deny themselves some "small" pleasures.
    We ask you to come according to the list previously approved by our grandfathers and fathers.
  • Man1
    Man1 4 December 2015 23: 12 New
    0
    I am sure that the Germans were forced to step on the Syrian-Iraqi rake. Now what, wait for terrorist attacks in Germany !?
    Who is for the creation of a coalition against the Washington fascists ??? Such a coalition could be safely called the Peacekeeping
  • max15243
    max15243 5 December 2015 00: 22 New
    0
    It's like a "flag demo". Everything is as always, the United States is at the head of its "coalition of sixes" on the one hand and the Russian Federation with the "Assad regime", which are now "taking out the situation" with IS on the other. ISIS will "ram" sooner or later, it was immediately clear, the current world order cannot exist without "challenges", but who will be the "winner" in the end?
  • azesm
    azesm 5 December 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    It has long been noted: as soon as Germany enters the war, this is the beginning of the World War
    http://historyndex.com/
    learn the story!