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In Kharkov, presented a new MLRS "Verba"

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Concern "Ukroboronprom" introduced a new salvo fire system "Willow", which, according to the developers, will be an alternative to the MLRS "Grad", reports RIA News message of the press service of the company.




“The leading enterprise-developer of the state concern Ukroboronprom, the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau, presented a new reactive volley fire system, Verba,” the release says.

In Kharkov, presented a new MLRS "Verba"


“The Verba system is located on the KRAZ chassis and is equipped with a five-seat cab. Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cockpit, without direct intervention of servicemen in its work, ”the concern said.

The weight of the "Willow" is about 20 tons, the speed on the highway is up to 85 km / h.

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  1. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 4 December 2015 11: 42
    33
    of the new products only paint on the Verb.
    1. avt
      avt 4 December 2015 11: 47
      31
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      of new products only paint on Verb

      ,, KrAZ "instead of ,, URAL"
      1. RBLip
        RBLip 4 December 2015 11: 49
        65
        Quote: avt
        ,, KrAZ "instead of ,, URAL"

        and recharge. straight from the cockpit ... this is interesting how?
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 4 December 2015 11: 52
          13
          Quote: RBLip
          recharge. straight from the cab ...
          Generally LIKE! laughing

          PS: They will soon say that after 3,5,10, XNUMX, XNUMX waves of modernization (analogy - "wave could (B) ilization"!) Valiant ukropatrio-cosmonauts will still fly into space on this "VERBE!" wassat
          1. _Vladislav_
            _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 11: 55
            19
            Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cab, without the direct intervention of military personnel in her work

            I look at the design of the MLRS, and nothing is unreasonable - what kind of makar? in automatic mode ?, from the cab, they decided to carry out the reloading procedure?
            Recharge - even in super modern MLRS (and even MLRS) occurs in two ways.
            1. TZM,
            2. Soldiers on their own.

            And here - ukro-grad itself reloads
            1. zeleznijdorojnik
              zeleznijdorojnik 4 December 2015 12: 01
              +3
              The Hohls incorrectly formulated - they have the same KRAZ TZM with the PC package - they charge all the guides with choch.
              1. Mahmut
                Mahmut 4 December 2015 12: 15
                28
                and recharge. straight from the cockpit ... this is interesting how?

                It's very simple. Right from the cockpit, a drunken warrant officer gives the command to the privates "Reload with a fly, your mother."
                1. avt
                  avt 4 December 2015 12: 19
                  +4
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  ... Right from the cockpit, a drunken warrant officer gives the command to the privates "Reload with a fly, your mother."

                  No. No
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  drunken ensign
                  and avatar! And not
                  Quote: Mahmut
                  gives the command to ordinary
                  and sends a signal ..... messezh to cyborgs! Through the air, or what is being sniffed at the moment - "Moment" there, or something else, well, maybe the signal smoke of the fact that they smoke.
              2. Kite
                Kite 4 December 2015 12: 44
                +3
                Quote: zeleznijdorojnik
                .... on the same basis KRAZ TZM is with the RS package .....

                - Do such conveyor packages come from Roshen factories? Still, someone will have to manually deploy the wrappers, for which they will have to get out of the cab. wink
                1. Kite
                  Kite 4 December 2015 12: 55
                  +1
                  I am surprised! After all, the same as we were. What even the designers sniffed, since they completely stopped thinking what and why they were doing. If the recharge cannot cope with the recharge, then it is necessary to have TZM, if the recharge can recharge independently, then add. BC must be suitable for delivery to positions by any means of transport.
            2. Pavel Vereshchagin
              Pavel Vereshchagin 4 December 2015 12: 03
              +4
              Guys, everything is simple. The same thing pulls up right behind, gives a volley and missiles themselves jump into the front of the installation. Congenial as Comrade Bender said.
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 12: 09
                0
                Quote: Pavel Vereshchagin
                The same thing pulls up close behind, gives a volley and missiles themselves jump into the front of the installation.

                Well, this is exactly the TZM.
                1. Pavel Vereshchagin
                  Pavel Vereshchagin 4 December 2015 12: 14
                  +1
                  "Well, this is exactly the TZM." ..... I wrote the same installation, and not a transport loading machine.
                  1. _Vladislav_
                    _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 16: 14
                    +2
                    In terms of reloading it is more convenient on the MLRS done. Swap cassettes. Cartridges carry appropriate transport. Conveniently.
                    P.E. Better to recharge technology. And do not follow the path of increasing the length of BMKs by creating an additional platform for PC.
            3. Misha Honest
              Misha Honest 4 December 2015 12: 08
              18
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              And here - ukro-grad itself reloads

              Cheaters they tongue In the truck console you enter: giveammo - endless shells ... laughing
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 12: 16
                +3
                Quote: Misha Honest
                Cheaters they In the truck console you enter: giveammo - endless shells ...

                yeah and endless fuel laughing )
                and nitrous oxide code)
            4. avdkrd
              avdkrd 4 December 2015 12: 31
              +5
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              I look at the design of the MLRS, and nothing is unreasonable - what kind of makar? in automatic mode ?, from the cab, they decided to carry out the reloading procedure?
              Recharge - even in super modern MLRS (and even MLRS) occurs in two ways.
              1. TZM,
              2. Soldiers on their own.

              There is a third option:
              placement of the second ammunition in a special package on the same platform with the launcher.
              kakly of course dispense with difficulties)))
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 12: 47
                +2
                Quote: avdkrd
                There is a third option:
                placement of the second ammunition in a special package on the same platform with the launcher.
                kakly of course dispense with difficulties)))

                Well, just on the ukro-hail there is no such platform. Why I wondered.
              2. serega.fedotov
                serega.fedotov 4 December 2015 12: 58
                +1
                Quote: avdkrd
                placement of the second ammunition in a special package on the same platform with the launcher.

                And then all the same TZM or soldiers!
                Although in my opinion the open laying of ammunition is not a fountain ...
              3. Kite
                Kite 4 December 2015 18: 11
                0
                If the chassis allows you to carry twice the number of shells, then why not place all the shells in the pan-tilt cartridges? A little remained improvements for the second cassette. Well, and then - more, all that is available in a heap and assemble, the enemy obos ... I (from laughter). Fantasy ukrokaklam help! If they forgot about the main purpose and requirements for BM, they can come up with five-deck armored cars with loopholes for archers.
            5. brisk
              brisk 4 December 2015 13: 40
              +1
              Quote: _Vladislav_
              I look at the design of the MLRS, and nothing is unreasonable - what kind of makar? in automatic mode ?, from the cab, they decided to carry out the reloading procedure?
              Recharge - even in super modern MLRS (and even MLRS) occurs in two ways.
              1. TZM,
              2. Soldiers on their own.

              And here - ukro-grad itself reloads


              Well, it means that either the author of the article himself has no idea about rocket artillery and artillery in general, or he deliberately wrote so that here on VO they once again laughed at the ukrami nonsense ... And once again they thought of the Ukrainians as the tribes of the Kalakhara Bushmen and Kalimantan Dayaks, close to the nature of peoples ... And including representatives of this tribe Bororo include design engineers and designers and manufacturers of the Kharkiv Morozov Design Bureau from the state concern "Ukroboronprom", who made their secret to the public ...
            6. Sorokin
              Sorokin 4 December 2015 19: 16
              0
              Don’t smoke it yourself. Horseradish for Poles. Really then pedstavlyaesh?
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 4 December 2015 22: 46
            0
            Quote: Baikonur
            Quote: RBLip
            recharge. straight from the cab ...
            Generally LIKE! laughing

            PS: They will soon say that after 3,5,10, XNUMX, XNUMX waves of modernization (analogy - "wave could (B) ilization"!) Valiant ukropatrio-cosmonauts will still fly into space on this "VERBE!" wassat
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 4 December 2015 11: 56
          +5
          Quote: RBLip
          it is interesting how?

          By the power of thought, I guess.
          1. _my opinion
            _my opinion 4 December 2015 12: 04
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Quote: RBLip
            it is interesting how?

            By the power of thought, I guess.

            yeah, by the power of cleverness wink ... I suppose the jumps will be full of bloomers: well, how could it be otherwise, only the big-eye could think of reloading from the cockpit ... well, there wasn’t enough to realize this strength smile
        3. avt
          avt 4 December 2015 12: 00
          +1
          Quote: RBLip
          and recharge. straight from the cockpit ... this is interesting how?

          The captain sits in the cockpit with a carrier and throws three more, which is why it is automatically guided by avatars, and the cyborgs reload. wassatMaybe with TZM? Type found from Soviet times and still did not know that it is possible and not only to manually push? laughingAgain with the help of cyborgs, under the command of avatars. wassat
        4. Bkmz
          Bkmz 4 December 2015 12: 08
          +2
          You press the button, the glass goes down and you yell without leaving the cockpit - "Mikola - reload"
        5. Sorokin
          Sorokin 4 December 2015 12: 12
          0
          No way. Idiocy. Until you push the BC so in the cockpit and sit. And KRAZ them right there. Traveled know the miracle of the car industry.
        6. Furious bambr
          Furious bambr 4 December 2015 14: 29
          -1
          Like a boomerang - come back
        7. Serg81
          Serg81 4 December 2015 14: 45
          +2
          With the help of another KrAZ on which the second ammunition will be placed. He drives up stern and automatically loads a new package of missiles. There is another model there, the second ammunition is messing around with the launcher.
          Russia for Tornado-G also needs a car for quick reloading, shot it, drove off recharged and after 20-25 minutes opened fire again from a different position.
          1. your1970
            your1970 4 December 2015 17: 54
            0
            yeah, TZM is called-I loaded such in 1987 year more ...
          2. Kite
            Kite 5 December 2015 01: 12
            0
            Quote: Serg81
            drove off recharged and after 20-25 minutes opened fire again from a different position .......

            We can do it wisely. If there are exactly the same number of missiles on the second machine, then place them in the cassette of the guides and add another control unit. tongue
            In an extreme case, rearrange the control unit or reconnect the unit cables from one machine to another.
            Imagine a drunken ukrobotets trying to dock a TZM to a launcher in the field. Or should they also put rails on a leveled reloading pad? laughing
        8. Poppy
          Poppy 4 December 2015 15: 42
          0
          rockets are shoved into the guides through the rear window of the cabin, and missiles are fed to them through the cabin door laughing
        9. your1970
          your1970 4 December 2015 17: 50
          0
          in automatic mode, it is clearly written belay request
        10. APASUS
          APASUS 4 December 2015 21: 59
          0
          Quote: RBLip
          Quote: avt
          ,, KrAZ "instead of ,, URAL"

          and recharge. straight from the cockpit ... this is interesting how?

          That's how the designers answer your question
        11. shosha
          shosha 5 December 2015 00: 51
          0
          and recharge. straight from the cockpit ... this is interesting how?


          I pressed the button and the back is wet))
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 4 December 2015 12: 13
        0
        reloading is carried out automatically from the cab
        This is a breakthrough! Congenial! wassat
      3. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 4 December 2015 13: 29
        0
        The name was stolen. And how are they going to recharge? The mechanisms are not visible.
      4. samoletil18
        samoletil18 5 December 2015 08: 30
        0
        The ZIL-131 was already installed, but not that it turned out badly - the Zilovsky chassis itself was made in Moscow.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 December 2015 11: 48
      +3
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      of the new products only paint on the Verb.

      The color is the same.
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 11: 58
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        The color is the same.

        An ugly extended cabin, and so - it's stupidly hail.
        40 guides. I am not surprised if the main performance characteristics coincide with the grad. And at least call it a vodka. He is the city of hail.
        1. Altona
          Altona 4 December 2015 12: 15
          0
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          40 guides. I am not surprised if the main performance characteristics coincide with the grad. And at least call it a vodka. He is the city of hail.

          --------------------
          Well, like the mother-progenitor of the BM-13 "Katyusha", which is on the ZiS-6 chassis, which is on the Studebaker ... The chassis are different, but the launcher is identical ..
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    4. little girl15
      little girl15 4 December 2015 11: 52
      +1
      Changing the chassis and nothing new. And how is it presented ...
    5. vodolaz
      vodolaz 4 December 2015 12: 07
      +1
      I did not serve in artillery and I only saw Grad from the side. Knowledgeable people, tell me how it differs from the City, except for the chassis?
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 4 December 2015 12: 15
        +2
        Nothing. Come to Perm, look at the museum. OOOO Differences
    6. vkl-47
      vkl-47 4 December 2015 12: 12
      +2
      kraz with the farmer's cabin. yes it's a breakthrough! this is NEW technologes
      1. Altona
        Altona 4 December 2015 13: 29
        +2
        Quote: vkl-47
        kraz with the farmer's cabin. yes it's a breakthrough! this is NEW technologes

        -------------------------
        And the fat with the horilka of kuda hovati? And the mattress, and the Zhinka, and the kobanchik? And here at the window you can tomato arrangement. And on the roof you can luggage rack and tsibuli bag or cartopli nest. Hefty flowing machine. The mustache for the lane is scattered ... laughing
    7. igordok
      igordok 4 December 2015 12: 20
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      of the new products only paint on the Verb.

      In my opinion, a small mistake has crept into the title of the article. The quotes should contain the word "new", not willow.
    8. Combitor
      Combitor 4 December 2015 12: 22
      +2
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      of the new products only paint on the Verb.

      The Ukrainians have learned well the Chinese experience. We took the finished product, repainted it, changed the name and now, the "masterpiece" of the ukrooboronprom is ready ...
    9. valentina-makanalina
      valentina-makanalina 4 December 2015 13: 44
      +1
      ... and grease ...
    10. Serg81
      Serg81 4 December 2015 14: 40
      +2
      and cabin for 5 seats
    11. Serg81
      Serg81 4 December 2015 14: 40
      0
      and cabin for 5 seats
    12. yushch
      yushch 4 December 2015 15: 51
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      of the new products only paint on the Verb.


      The sane Ukrainians have already unearthed that this is a development in 2002 or 2005. Several prototypes were stored somewhere, but now they apparently decided to cut the dough at the state order and pulled this miracle into the light of God, having previously dusted off it.
    13. yushch
      yushch 4 December 2015 15: 51
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      of the new products only paint on the Verb.


      The sane Ukrainians have already unearthed that this is a development in 2002 or 2005. Several prototypes were stored somewhere, but now they apparently decided to cut the dough at the state order and pulled this miracle into the light of God, having previously dusted off it.
  2. JonnyT
    JonnyT 4 December 2015 11: 43
    +3
    Automation is certainly all wonderful, but how does it differ from hail in TTX ????
    1. A-Sim
      A-Sim 4 December 2015 11: 45
      +4
      The white stripe to be drawn ...
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 4 December 2015 12: 23
        +1
        From true stripe and cab filling.
    2. mag nit
      mag nit 4 December 2015 11: 47
      +3
      Automated cab for 5 seats.
    3. wasjasibirjac
      wasjasibirjac 4 December 2015 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: JonnyT
      Automation is certainly all wonderful, but how does it differ from hail in TTX ????
      chassis weight is one and a half times more. the rest is one to one. and the question is:
      Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cabwithout the direct intervention of servicemen in its work, ”the concern said.
      spare store did not notice how recharge in automatic mode?
    4. Albert1988
      Albert1988 4 December 2015 11: 57
      +2
      Quote: JonnyT
      Automation is of course all great,

      Automation is also under the baaalshim question there - pay attention to the second photo clearly visible devices and devices for manual guidance of this thing. Of course, one can assume that the ukrokonstruktors installed them in case of failure of the "automation", but taking into account the experience of modern ukrokonstruktorstvo, there are serious suspicions that guidance will be exclusively manual, and the new thing in the "willow" is really only the chassis from kraz .. ...
      1. Boris K.
        Boris K. 4 December 2015 12: 10
        +1
        with these devices ukrovoyaka during a volley should rotate the installation and aim in a different direction, such as not working in one direction =)
    5. Sorokin
      Sorokin 4 December 2015 12: 20
      +1
      Yes, nothing. Recently, we have done Hurricanes on the basis of the Tatra Mountains, how do they differ?
    6. serega.fedotov
      serega.fedotov 4 December 2015 13: 04
      +2
      Quote: JonnyT
      Automation is certainly all wonderful, but how does it differ from hail in TTX ????

      The city can start from a sheet of plywood! Therefore, without a new rocket it doesn’t play a role in any container! And the ukropovka wunderwafle will still be fired with hails with 2-3 shelf life!
  3. MolGro
    MolGro 4 December 2015 11: 45
    +2
    what's new ??
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 December 2015 11: 48
      +4
      Quote: MolGro
      what's new ??

      Caption Made in Ukraine lol
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 4 December 2015 11: 53
        +5
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Caption Made in Ukraine

        STOP TROLLING AND LAUGHING ABOUT HOCHES!
        And then they will roll out a new armored personnel carrier, created for the liberation of Crimea !!!!!
        1. Private Starley
          Private Starley 4 December 2015 12: 00
          +3
          A guy went to the market like that, became pro
          wheels to ask. They showed him one guy. A man comes up to him:
          - I would have wheels ...
          - You are welcome!
          He takes out a jar, pours pills and counts:
          - One, two, three, four ...
          - Yes, I have to leave!
          - Five, six, seven, eight ...
        2. Altona
          Altona 4 December 2015 12: 07
          +3
          Quote: lelikas
          And then they will roll out a new armored personnel carrier, created for the liberation of Crimea !!!!!

          -------------------------
          "The coffin on wheels" turns out to be not a figure of speech, it really exists ... laughing
    2. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 4 December 2015 11: 50
      +3
      Quote: MolGro
      what's new ??

      How? You do not know? Same innovation from the gloomy koklyat genius. (PEREMOG). Before her was an iron kaput "Azovets". But the fantasy on the names is over (ZRADA) again the cotton "Willow" does not give rest.
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 4 December 2015 12: 01
        +3
        Yes, yes! This is a new armored personnel carrier made of chipboard boards created at the Zhytomyr TRZ. The effect of defeating vorogus is mortification with laughter. wassat
        1. Al_oriso
          Al_oriso 4 December 2015 12: 09
          0
          They can also fight with the Zulus, with those with spears.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 December 2015 11: 46
    0
    Painted "Grad". We screwed the external control onto the drive. Slipped "under the PU" KRAZ instead of the Urals. What's the catch? Where is the peremoga?
    1. sibiryk
      sibiryk 4 December 2015 12: 40
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Painted "Grad". We screwed the external control onto the drive. Slipped "under the PU" KRAZ instead of the Urals. What's the catch? Where is the peremoga?

      what is the help ??? Zrada complete ... wassat And the ammunition is also new or all the same "damned" Soviet laughing
  5. sever.56
    sever.56 4 December 2015 11: 46
    +3
    "Recharge automatically" - how's that? Do the shells unpack on their own, quickly run up to the installation and jump into the guide pipes themselves? And "fire control, aiming, without the direct intervention of servicemen in its work" - what is it - it turns out that the installation does not need to be calculated at all? Ukrokonstruktor made a breakthrough by creating an installation that does everything by itself !!! Have fun ... wassat
    1. user1212
      user1212 4 December 2015 11: 49
      +1
      Quote: sever.56
      Recharging automatically - how is it?

      I’m also interested
      1. sir_obs
        sir_obs 4 December 2015 11: 51
        +2
        Disposable system
      2. Private Starley
        Private Starley 4 December 2015 11: 53
        +2
        as in abrams))) negro ...
    2. aszzz888
      aszzz888 4 December 2015 11: 51
      +1
      Recharging automatically - how is it?


      Campaign, another ten pieces ukrov, in an automatic (until they fall) mode, they put charges into the pipes! laughing
      1. Sorokin
        Sorokin 4 December 2015 12: 29
        0
        After all, you probably saw the recharge? That would show how ento happens! Entot automatic mode them in juyuyuyuyuyu.And 5 in the cockpit.
    3. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 4 December 2015 12: 48
      0
      Quote: sever.56
      "Recharge automatically" - how's that? Do the shells unpack on their own, quickly run up to the installation and jump into the guide pipes themselves? And "fire control, aiming, without the direct intervention of servicemen in its work" - what is it - it turns out that the installation does not need to be calculated at all? Ukrokonstruktor made a breakthrough by creating an installation that does everything by itself !!! Have fun ... wassat

      Guys, stop ..... I'm begging ... Haha ... stop burning! Give a breath. BTR killed!
  6. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 4 December 2015 11: 46
    0
    will become an alternative to MLRS Grad

    Alternative, of course. We took the Grad system, slightly modified it and put it on our chassis. Brave Ukrspecialists won.
    1. The black
      The black 4 December 2015 11: 47
      +1
      and for sure they wrote off a decent pile of dough laughing
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2015 13: 27
      0
      But it’s interesting, but in Ukraine, Grad shells are produced in series.
  7. solar99
    solar99 4 December 2015 11: 46
    +2
    "Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cab, without the direct intervention of military personnel in its work "

    How's that? request
    1. askort154
      askort154 4 December 2015 11: 58
      0
      solar99 ...
      What is it like? [/ quote]

      The elder, sitting in the cockpit, shouts: - "Glory to Ukraine."
      The rest, AUTOMATICALLY: answer: - "Glory to the heroes" and run to reload. fellow
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 4 December 2015 12: 08
        0
        Quote: askort154
        The rest, AUTOMATICALLY: answer: - "Glory to the heroes" and run to reload.

        At one time, there was such a joke about management that it can be remote, local and local - remote, the question is how? - they answered - when you send a fighter instead of yourself ... laughing Looks have not forgotten.
    2. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 4 December 2015 12: 13
      0
      I, too, are in deep thought !!! They have surpassed "Alloy", now you can file a lawsuit.
    3. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 4 December 2015 12: 50
      0
      Quote: solar99
      "Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cab, without the direct intervention of military personnel in its work "

      How's that? request

      The system called "SHOOT-FORGET" (was drunk)
      But seriously, they calculated everything correctly. Let the "system" recharge itself, or better still think for ukurov. There is simply no one else to think and nothing else. But the calculations can fail. The guys from VSN will recharge it manually (don't be too lazy) and use it as intended.
    4. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 4 December 2015 15: 53
      0
      Quote: solar99
      "Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cab, without the direct intervention of military personnel in its work "

      How's that? request

      And her crew consists of a driver and an ensign. A driver for driving to the line of contact. Prapor - make a reservation and sell it to the BCH.
  8. qwaigon
    qwaigon 4 December 2015 11: 49
    +1
    5 cyborgs in a carriage provide automatic reloading, aiming, etc.
  9. dezmon
    dezmon 4 December 2015 11: 49
    0
    and what surprised you by being able to rename ????
  10. Private Starley
    Private Starley 4 December 2015 11: 50
    +1
    They did it, and now without uncovering it under their own power in LDNR, the young republics need new equipment there ...
  11. Lyapis
    Lyapis 4 December 2015 11: 52
    +1
    aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cab

    Okay, even aiming from the cockpit (although also dubious), but damn it, automatic reloading from the cockpit frankly amused. wassat

    And so, again some piece on the subject of "The City". I don’t understand, because Ukraine already has several successful modifications of the Bastion. Why waste efforts and resources to create another clone? request
  12. 1536
    1536 4 December 2015 11: 52
    +1
    Question to the government: for a long time these scumbags will steal and use our developments, samples, know-how, patents?
    1. perm23
      perm23 4 December 2015 11: 58
      0
      And the truth is as much as possible. It’s time to take all measures so that they have no gas and no electricity and the plant itself stands up. They harm us, but what are we. They create weapons against us and use them against us. It's time to beat the bandits at the far frontiers. It's time to stop such a brother.
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2015 11: 53
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    What's the catch? Where is the breakdown?

    The fact that they came up with their own name. True, they did not think that willow grows in our country too. As if the zrada did not come out again.
  14. Fisman
    Fisman 4 December 2015 11: 56
    +1
    When there is nothing to be proud of, you need to come up with victories or achievements. so in Ukraine for two years now
  15. AlexTires
    AlexTires 4 December 2015 12: 00
    0
    I am shocked by the automatic reload system! belay Just the question is, is the recharging machine equipped with an automatic charging system? If not, what is the point of this system? Waste time on "automatic recharge"? Indeed, in both cases, you need to load with your hands, and then you will have to throw missiles between the machines. PPC, next generation system ... laughing
  16. yanus
    yanus 4 December 2015 12: 00
    +2
    I don’t understand why everyone is laughing. Yes, the system itself is not new. But automation of guidance and topographic location will increase efficiency. The speed of preparation for the shot will increase, errors based on the human factor in the calculation of guidance, etc. will decrease.
    The same "Tornado" was modernized according to the same principle.
    There remains an open question about ammunition. Are there any new ones for "Willow"? For "Tornado" it seems to have done.
    Is there a production of "old-style" ammunition in Ukraine?
    1. Forest
      Forest 4 December 2015 22: 25
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      The Tornado and the whole chip is built around the use of new ammunition. With ammunition for the Ukrainian Grad / Bastions / Verbe it does not matter - there are no new ones, although there are statements that they are being developed, in production - where they say that they produce, where there is none.
  17. Val_y
    Val_y 4 December 2015 12: 08
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    Quote: RBLip
    and recharge. straight from the cockpit ... this is interesting how?

    Ooo was removed from the language, like "Fire control, aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cockpit, without the direct intervention of military personnel in its work" belay and aiming, but where ??? laughing Oh sorry for so many people x .... th is engaged fool
  18. Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 4 December 2015 12: 10
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    Poor fellows, how will they charge it through the cabin ... fool
  19. dtlmvfr11
    dtlmvfr11 4 December 2015 12: 15
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    Ukraine is preparing for war. Guess who?
  20. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 4 December 2015 12: 21
    +1
    Quote: Sorokin
    No way. Idiocy. Until you push the BC so in the cockpit and sit. And KRAZ them right there. Traveled know the miracle of the car industry.

    And I mean the same thing. smile
    The charger should be at least three meters tall, as height to bottom pipe above two meters.
    Maybe they’ll sit on each other’s neck, two bring it in a jerk, and two send already the fifth with a running start and humps over the humps. Five and a need. wink
  21. dimdimich71
    dimdimich71 4 December 2015 12: 23
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    Those who dug up the Black Sea, - trained a rabbit, raised a pig and managed to put them at the head of the state, everyone can - even jump ..... And you charge ... am
  22. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 4 December 2015 12: 25
    +2
    They just didn’t show the most secret. On the hood, during the fighting, the front sight is located!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2015 13: 29
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      What interests me most is where Ukraine takes engines for new Crazov.
  23. russmensch
    russmensch 4 December 2015 12: 26
    +1
    ... aiming and reloading is carried out automatically from the cockpit, without the direct intervention of military personnel in its work "

    It turns out after a shot (volley) the TZM automatically rolls up, the shells automatically climb into the guides, the fuses are screwed automatically, the brake rings (large or small) are put in, after which the whole system is oriented (obviously in the sun, like the sun on the right - it means we shoot directly) and a shot is being fired.
    I have no words ... silently take off my hat, this is the technology of the distant future fool
  24. Wolka
    Wolka 4 December 2015 12: 27
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    and what’s noteworthy new in this shooter, well, the wheels changed and that’s all, it’s Ukrainian import substitution instead of our Urals, and the main performance characteristics of this device remained the same from the 70s
  25. Vladimir
    Vladimir 4 December 2015 12: 27
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    With recharging Hochma, but this Hochma is most likely the result of the incompetence of journalists who took an interview, this is common, not everyone studied military terminology at institutes.
  26. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 4 December 2015 12: 28
    +1
    Quote: Ruswolf
    they did not reveal the most secret.
  27. newcomer
    newcomer 4 December 2015 12: 32
    +4
    This is from the category of “Avakov city tank. as Rogozin said, collected from garbage containers. but in general kraz as a chassis for rszo well, I don’t know.
  28. newcomer
    newcomer 4 December 2015 12: 34
    +5
    This is from the category of “Avakov city tank. as Rogozin said, collected from garbage containers. but in general kraz as a chassis for rszo well, I don’t know.
  29. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 4 December 2015 12: 47
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    drinks
    This willow instead of hail, Not a weapon, but a zrad!

  30. Izotovp
    Izotovp 4 December 2015 13: 02
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    Actually, it turns out, though in different countries, but two different products have the same name: 9K333 "Verba" MANPADS.
  31. botsman80
    botsman80 4 December 2015 13: 04
    +1
    ... maybe I'm behind the times, but how is the COOLDOWN "carried out automatically from the cockpit, without the direct intervention of the military in its work"? ..
  32. gg.na
    gg.na 4 December 2015 14: 28
    0
    good hfigna wassat !!! Nothing more to add recourse I have no words No. some what letters repeat lol
  33. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 4 December 2015 15: 31
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    Well done Dill!
    Gave a salvo, wait, wait until another car arrives and reloads you.
    That’s an hour while in the Army of the DPR specify the coordinates smile
    But the main thing for every Verba needs a machine for reloading it, instead of one Ural, two Kraza.
    1. andrew-z
      andrew-z 4 December 2015 16: 33
      +1
      well done
      Do Tornadoes and Hurricanes recharge in a different way? not with TPM? and also wait for an hour while "there" they specify the coordinates?
      And most importantly, all these mockeries will in no way affect her ability to fire a volley at a target, go into cover, there she will recharge with a TZM in a couple of minutes, move forward, give a new volley, etc.
      1. TOR2
        TOR2 4 December 2015 19: 51
        +1
        Quote: andrew-z
        And most importantly, all these mockeries will not affect her ability to fire a volley at a target, to go into cover

        You probably know how the Chinese TT differs from the original. From also shoots, but not so good and not for long.
  34. potap6509
    potap6509 4 December 2015 16: 10
    0
    The same Faberge, only a side view.
  35. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 4 December 2015 16: 58
    0
    Quote: andrew-z
    well done
    Do Tornadoes and Hurricanes recharge in a different way? not with TPM? and also wait for an hour while "there" they specify the coordinates?
    And most importantly, all these mockeries will in no way affect her ability to fire a volley at a target, go into cover, there she will recharge with a TZM in a couple of minutes, move forward, give a new volley, etc.

    Tornado and Hurricane is another class, you still remember about Pinocchio. smile
    A Grad incidentally recharged by two soldiers, without the participation of additional equipment.
    And you will not charge your Verba with five - so then
  36. afrikanez
    afrikanez 4 December 2015 17: 05
    0
    Hmm, the autoloader in the cab is very cool. If only I could see the scheme. how does this whole thing work?
  37. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 4 December 2015 18: 11
    +1
    The main feature of the MLRS is homing shells. Russia has shown such to the world recently. In Kharkiv, the disgrace of the Slavs, they piled something (what's new is not clear). In factories where gray-haired "specialists" rolled out at least something out of the gate. Moldnyak jumps mostly. He knocks down monuments, paints everything he can in two colors. No education. There is no work. The gray-haired elders have taken all the jobs - it's time to clean up for participation in the defense industry of the USSR! Saw the plant into metal and hand it over to the scrap collection point! Banderootmorozov have no other "business plan" and cannot have. BUILD, CREATE is not for Bandera! It is more convenient for them to destroy and spoil what was built before them.
  38. gozmos
    gozmos 4 December 2015 19: 12
    +2
    we can compete)))
  39. Old26
    Old26 4 December 2015 19: 29
    0
    Quote: avdkrd
    There is a third option: placing the second ammunition in a special package on the same platform as the launcher. kakly of course dispense with difficulties)))

    Why? Bastion-02 implements just such an option

    Quote: Oleg Yugan
    Well done Dill! Gave a volley-wait, wait until another car arrives and reloads you. That’s an hour while the DPR Army is specifying the coordinates. But the main thing for every Verba needs a machine to reload two Kraza instead of one Ural.

    And we have another ??? You can joke when you know .... And not just to try to get the pluses

    Quote: afrikanez
    Hmm, the autoloader in the cab is very cool. If only I could see the scheme. how does this whole thing work?

    I’m afraid that once again the journalists mixed everything up. The reload process is automated. From the cab or not - HZ
  40. Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 4 December 2015 22: 28
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    The name of this ukroRSZO surprised (smaydanili at the new Russian MANPADS wassat ) Here are the names that are traditional for the great Dill:
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  42. Aljavad
    Aljavad 5 December 2015 01: 51
    0
    Yeah .... Riddle from the series "find 5 differences".
    So much for the "new" one!

    The Grad is immortal!
    1. andrew-z
      andrew-z 5 December 2015 02: 35
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      Exactly! therefore it will still serve, but on a new car chassis. This is logical - the Urals are worn out, there are almost no spare parts and are no longer expected. And there are hundreds of 122mm "bags" that can still last. The translation into krazy solves this problem. Well, the mechanization of reloading, topography, fire control and guidance is a nice bonus. As in the case of Bastion-2, you can expect a decrease in reload time from 7 to 2 minutes. Poorly? Yes, and Vd reduced from 130 to 90 m.
      Threat. as for me it’s better not to sculpt different types and produce a single option - Bastion-2
      http://nevskii-bastion.ru/VVT/GRAD_KRAZ_03.jpg
      http://nevskii-bastion.ru/rszo-bastion/