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Media: Ankara refused to block the border with Syria

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Ankara refused to comply with Washington’s requirement to cut off a part of the border with Syria, which is actively used by militants to move in both directions and to supply smuggled oil to Turkey, reports Look with reference to the Hurriyet edition.


Media: Ankara refused to block the border with Syria


The Turkish government rejected the Americans' demand “for two reasons: because it is unrealistic, and also because the other side may take a hostile position by starting to build up forces at the border,” the newspaper writes.

According to Hurriyet, the representatives of Turkey "told their American colleagues that in order to implement the idea, it would be necessary to deploy about 30 thousand soldiers in this area and install observation towers with soldiers every three meters."

Earlier, Washington reported that “it repeatedly requested Ankara to cut off the problematic part of the border,” thereby recognizing “cross-border oil supplies from the districts controlled by the ISSD”.

On Tuesday, Barack Obama said: “I have repeatedly had conversations with Erdogan about the need to close the border between Turkey and Syria. We see serious progress in this, but certain gaps still remain. ”
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  1. sever.56
    sever.56 4 December 2015 11: 14 New
    77
    That's all and fell into place. Erdogan is an ardent Islamist who at one time supported the Egyptian revolution, as a result of which the "Muslim brothers" came to power. He leads the party with the same views. But this is the second thing. The first is his family’s oil business, for which he will fight to the last.
    Well, and what will Obama say in response now? Again will argue that Turkey is an active fighter with Daesh ???
    1. Gxash
      Gxash 4 December 2015 11: 15 New
      33
      They will not close from Turkey, they themselves will close from Syria and Iraq! Who will get worse after that is quite known! am
      1. _Vladislav_
        _Vladislav_ 4 December 2015 11: 16 New
        29
        The Turkish government rejected the Americans' demand for two reasons: since it is unreal

        Of course it’s unrealistic.
        - What are you doing idiots for what I will live on - thought Erdogan.

        PS
        Photo for article - oil painting
        1. Scoun
          Scoun 4 December 2015 11: 38 New
          15
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          Photo for article - oil painting

          I’ve heard the statements of the Ministry of Defense about the destroyed fuel trucks for a thousand pieces .. and somehow imagined ... yeah 1000 .. and still 7000 thousand remained and scored ... and now I saw a photo of a dozen burning fuel trucks .... and I'm sick ...
          I realized the true scale of the oil business.
          1. Yogaradz
            Yogaradz 4 December 2015 18: 23 New
            0
            GDP said that everything is adult, on an industrial scale!
        2. opus
          opus 4 December 2015 11: 56 New
          19
          Quote: Gxash
          They will not close from Turkey, they themselves will close from Syria and Iraq!

          Do not close.
          1.Afghanistan

          2. The leader of Tajikistan announced large-scale battles on the Afghan part of the border (60% of the border).
          CSTO cannot cope for so many years



          USSR in the 1980s there were more than 30 border guards
          3. Fierce battles have been going on for several months on the border between Turkmenistan and Afghanistan, the country's border service is suffering serious losses, and the threat of a breakthrough of ISIS fighters deep into the country is growing ..

          .. in the recent battle for Marchak took part about 600 fighters, for Kushka-Kukhna - about 250 people. Only about 850 people. Also, at the end of June, there were reports that 12 servicemen were killed in Turkmenistan: conscript soldiers and officers who served near the border with Afghanistan.

          4. And most importantly:The border of Uzbekistan with Afghanistan, 137 kilometers long, is the most protected section of the border of post-Soviet countries with this state. It passes through the Amu Darya River in its widest middle reaches and is considered one of the most carefully guarded in the world, losing only to the barrier between North and South Korea. This line is equipped with protective engineering structures, including a 380V barbed wire fence, continuous minefields, and they are intensively and by no means peacefully patrolled.
          The northern Afghan province of Balkh is one of the calmest in the country, and finally, about three million Uzbeks live there,.
          however, there were Batken events in 1999 and 2000, when 300 militants put the whole region on their ears.
          Islam Karimov is awake, and is awakening right: he asks for help from the USA and the EEC.
          --------------------------
          This is all in the greenhouse conditions of the CIS.
          Now try to organize the border in Syria, our limited contingent.
          1. vladimirw
            vladimirw 4 December 2015 12: 08 New
            +2
            You can’t close it. You need to bomb fuel trucks.
            1. Ze Kot
              Ze Kot 4 December 2015 13: 27 New
              0
              Ambush trails, driving routes. To cause artillery and aviation strikes on penetrating groups.
          2. 3axap82
            3axap82 4 December 2015 12: 18 New
            +2
            Thanks for the interesting informative post!
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 4 December 2015 13: 59 New
              +1
              On Tuesday, Barack Obama said: “I have repeatedly had talks with Erdogan about the need to close the border of Turkey and Syria

              The phrase is true in the style of Macaque ... had conversations or had Erdogan talking?
              1. alex-cn
                alex-cn 4 December 2015 18: 44 New
                0
                To be precise, it’s
                Erdogan raped him and a conversation ...
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 4 December 2015 12: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: opus
            try to organize the border in Syria, our limited contingent.

            Russia will not organize the protection of the Syrian border today. Yes, and tomorrow too. There is only one way out, to break all the oil tankers, if possible.
            1. 34 region
              34 region 4 December 2015 12: 43 New
              -5
              Then it’s easier to flood the oil tanker in the port. And let the fuel trucks stand. Nonsense these shelling of fuel trucks. That break a well, a terminal, flood a tanker, yes. And fuel trucks are babbling, a game for the public.
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 4 December 2015 13: 53 New
                +2
                Quote: 34 region
                Then it’s easier to flood the oil tanker in the port

                Well, well, for more details please.
                In Syria, in any port, the shipment of "left" oil is not made! Only in Turkey! I suspect that for someone there is little Russian aircraft shot down over Syrian territory. Someone really wants to go to a real war against the NATO army.
                And the consequences of the flooding of the tanker are very tangible. That is what a man who has never seen oil spilled into the sea can say. Send you to land from the sea, to the oil spill area. And that tanker is not the only ship in the world. Think, think, at least sometimes!
            2. opus
              opus 4 December 2015 13: 50 New
              +1
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Russia will not organize the protection of the Syrian border today.

              I know. Rather, it can’t. For this, a contingent of 10000 fighters is also needed.
              i'm out of snappy
              Quote: Gxash
              close ourselves from Syria and Iraq! To whom it will be worse after that, it is well known!
              answered (or rather proved the impossibility thereof)
              Quote: Hedgehog
              There is only one way out, to break all the oil tankers, if possible.

              will receive money:
              - with drugs
              - from the slave trade (rate of $ 13000- $ 40000 per head captured)
              - illegal traffic and arms sales
              - cover business and roads
              well and so on
              One way out:
              - destroy Qatar (and oil prices would stabilize, and funding for Daesh would cease, and a state using slaves would cease to exist, etc.)... But this is not feasible, unfortunately
              - Destroy (95% order) Daish. Yes, even napalm and cluster bp.
              -Well, of course, Turkey’s answer, as the tourists leave: 1-2 F-16 or 1 on the submarine (209) I think it will suit everyone. Then the Turks will take control of the border (not in gratitude, but for themselves)
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 4 December 2015 14: 00 New
                +1
                Quote: opus
                There is only one way out: - destroy Qatar (

                Yes, this is not real. Perdostan will intervene for his vassal and pull his jackals
                While Syria is able and willing, it would be good to actively help her “wet” this Islamic abomination.
          4. Andrey57
            Andrey57 4 December 2015 15: 53 New
            +1
            Actually, the “Uzbeks” were invented in 1924 and named after the Uzbek khan))) The Uzbek language, like the Ukrainian, is the same artificial “creation” of the Bolsheviks. So in the province of Balkh there are not “Uzbeks” living at all since the Soviet government and the Communists never were there)) And all the poets, writers and enlightened figures on the territory of foreign Uzbekistan spoke and worked in Farsi and did not recognize any “Uzbek” language, for which paid during the years of repression.
          5. Andrey57
            Andrey57 4 December 2015 15: 53 New
            +1
            Actually, the “Uzbeks” were invented in 1924 and named after the Uzbek khan))) The Uzbek language, like the Ukrainian, is the same artificial “creation” of the Bolsheviks. So in the province of Balkh there are not “Uzbeks” living at all since the Soviet government and the Communists never were there)) And all the poets, writers and enlightened figures on the territory of foreign Uzbekistan spoke and worked in Farsi and did not recognize any “Uzbek” language, for which paid during the years of repression.
        3. KazaK Bo
          KazaK Bo 4 December 2015 15: 12 New
          -1
          _Vladislav_
          The Turkish government rejected the American demand "for two reasons: because it is unrealistic
          Of course it’s unrealistic ....

          Not! DO NOT CLOSE !! Judge for yourself - they will close it, but how can ERDOGAN be told to the whole world THAT RUSSIAN EVERY DAY ... IS ILLEGAL ... DO NOT NOTIFY THE TURKISH GOVERNMENT ... DO NOT PAY TAXES ... THROUGHOUT THE TERRITORY OF THE LEGAL-ABHEAD TURKEY TAKE CARE 2 3 million tons of oil per week from ISIS, loaded onto tankers and ... After all, close the border and then you have to admit that this is the work of the President of Turkey ... so you can’t blame your sins on anyone ... And so ... FAS IN RUSSIAN! ATU THEM !!! ATU !!!
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      3. oleg-gr
        oleg-gr 4 December 2015 11: 17 New
        10
        Friendship is friendship, and the tablets are apart. Business and interests just won't give up their interests. No one offers billions in compensation.
      4. Vend
        Vend 4 December 2015 11: 20 New
        +9
        Quote: Gxash
        They will not close from Turkey, they themselves will close from Syria and Iraq! Who will get worse after that is quite known! am

        Already made such a statement. So what are we waiting for.
      5. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 December 2015 11: 32 New
        +6
        Quote: Gxash
        They will not close from Turkey, they themselves will close from Syria and Iraq!

        Faster, he will quarrel with ISIS and those around the world will announce the closure of the border with Turkey.
      6. tolmir
        tolmir 4 December 2015 11: 41 New
        +4
        It turns out that the Turks are not even able to calculate the situation one step ahead ... Well, it is not clear to anyone that we, in this case, with a clear conscience, will contribute to the Syrian army and the Kurds to close the border from Syria.
      7. Sterlya
        Sterlya 4 December 2015 14: 44 New
        +1
        How are they burning? This is soooo ....
    2. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 4 December 2015 11: 16 New
      +6
      Yes stubborn man sends Americans! His obstinacy would turn him into a fight by terrorists would not be worth it, but he chose a different path, on which he would deign.
      1. sannych
        sannych 4 December 2015 11: 35 New
        19
        Yes, this is a performance! Do you seriously think that Turkey, a member of NATO, has not complied with the demands of the black gentleman? Yes, not a joke! The meaning of the production is that America is doing everything to eliminate ISIS, you see how good it is, but it doesn’t work out ...
        1. PAM
          PAM 4 December 2015 11: 48 New
          +1
          Barack Obama said: “I have had conversations with Erdogan on the need to close the border between Turkey and Syria. We see serious progress
          By progress, apparently understands - that Turkey has advanced troops to the borders of Syria, pretending to be blocking?
    3. little girl15
      little girl15 4 December 2015 11: 21 New
      +5
      How will the Turks close the border from their "patrons"? It's like a sickle in ... (well, waist-high)
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 4 December 2015 11: 23 New
      +2
      Ours have already smashed more than a thousand fuel trucks out of 8500, and we will finish the rest. If the border before this Peshmerga does not close, with our help.
      1. Andrea
        Andrea 4 December 2015 11: 33 New
        +4
        laughing laughing laughing
        What was required to prove, or rather, evidence did not require.
        Interestingly, the states will endure the plunge? We need to bomb everything, but it would be less, but such a wick was inserted into the amers. laughing Just bursting to find out what now the "exceptional" will do?
    5. TURAR
      TURAR 4 December 2015 11: 45 New
      +4
      On November 26, units of the Turkish army invaded Syria and occupied a 50-meter-high Tal-Ziyab hill. Infantrymen crossed the border, accompanied by bulldozers. Occupying the height, they immediately began to build fortified areas, and a day later three tanks, two infantry fighting vehicles and several armored SUVs arrived at the place. Obviously, with this step, Turkey wants not only to divide the territory where the Kurds live in half, but also to cover the supply of tanks with Syrian oil, which Daesh militants * are taking out of Raqqa.
    6. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 4 December 2015 11: 49 New
      +3
      they are fighting with Daesh, and we are against Daesh wink
    7. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 4 December 2015 11: 53 New
      +3
      Apparently, Obama saw "serious progress" in the fact that Erdogan listened to him, and "certain gaps" - that Erdogan spat on his so-called demand.

      On the other hand, if Obama really had a demand, then it would be fulfilled instantly, even a tower would stand every meter.
    8. Mr shrek
      Mr shrek 4 December 2015 12: 16 New
      0
      This Turkish horseradish leads the country into the abyss, which I soon smell as Ukrainian horseradish.
      1. 3axap82
        3axap82 4 December 2015 12: 22 New
        0
        And he is already ogreb? It seems that in Kiev he directs and receives parcels with NATO weapons.
    9. g1v2
      g1v2 4 December 2015 12: 39 New
      +1
      Oil for him is a pleasant bonus and the opportunity to spend less money on war from the budget. He always promoted the creation of a new Ottoman Empire. And for this he needs to squeeze something from the neighbors. Greece is a member of NATO, Armenia is a CSTO, Iran is a powerful country enough to overcome something without a long war. But Syria is just that. That is why Erdogan did his best to disperse the civil war there, supporting the militants and supplying them. Oil is just a way to make the process self-sustaining and reduce its costs. And the goal is not to give the Kurds a chance to create their own state or autonomy, to overcome the north of Syria in Aleppo and the north of Latakia. In general, everything went gorgeous, but here we came - zrada. Moreover, the oil business began to crush, which means that more money will have to be invested from the budget of Turkey and Qatar. And money, oddly enough for local couch strategists, can only be made from the air by states. If it has arrived somewhere, then it has disappeared from somewhere. If more money has to be invested in militants and ISIS, then they will not go to other domestic goals. Well, this is fraught with unrest in Turkey and a fall in the rating of Erdogashi.
    10. Vikings
      Vikings 4 December 2015 13: 09 New
      0
      Regarding Erdogan, everything has been arranged for so long
      to your places! This is just another statement of facts!
      Erdogan is before all a cheap swindler! Doing your business
      on the blood of innocent people! Muslims have a suitable after-
      lanie to such as Erdogan. HARAM !!! So, HARAM YERDOGANU
      and to all those who are involved in this bloody business !!!
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  3. bubalik
    bubalik 4 December 2015 11: 15 New
    15
    Turkish government rejects American demand

    Earlier, Washington reported that “it has repeatedly asked Ankara to block the problem area of ​​the border,”


    ,,, performance for the public ,,,
    1. DOMINO100
      DOMINO100 4 December 2015 11: 17 New
      +3
      by itself! there is worse than mhat!
    2. solvi
      solvi 4 December 2015 11: 56 New
      +2
      Quote: bubalik
      ,,, performance for the public ,,,

      like all US public policies based on lies, nothing new since Hitler. People are only those with Wall street, and the rest are supplies.
  4. fox21h
    fox21h 4 December 2015 11: 15 New
    +6
    Well, why am I not surprised, already openly they say it is our cow and we ourselves will milk it.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 4 December 2015 11: 19 New
      +7
      Only the Syrian milk (I mean oil), and the Turkish is not a cow, but a goat, which they launched in the Syrian garden!
  5. pilot8878
    pilot8878 4 December 2015 11: 15 New
    +4
    The owner badly trained the dog - he does not listen at all. wink
  6. MolGro
    MolGro 4 December 2015 11: 16 New
    21
    everything will be so and not otherwise!
    1. R150
      R150 4 December 2015 11: 46 New
      +1
      nda ... not really good photoshop.
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    3. The black
      The black 4 December 2015 11: 58 New
      +3
      Not yet. Putin said that they won’t get rid of tomatoes. And the languid expectation of the main dish of Putin’s revenge, concluded in his phrase “we know what to do,” can drive not only Erdogan crazy laughing
    4. Scoun
      Scoun 4 December 2015 12: 00 New
      0
      Then the people laid out a photo of Golum and Erdogando **, well, "smiled" and that's it .. but here I read)))) laughing
      The Times
      Gollum or Erdogan: where is the insult?
      3th of December 2015
      Experts will analyze the character of Gollum from The Lord of the Rings to help the court decide whether comparing the Turkish president with the anti-hero Tolkien is an insult. Under Erdogan, the number of criminal cases under the article for insulting the president rose sharply.

      Generally zachotny article American Thinker, USA
      For that matter, the Russians are in Syria at the invitation of the authorities, while the Americans and Turks are not. Vladimir Putin called the incident "a stab in the back" inflicted by "accomplices of terrorists." And this time, the Russian president is right - in both respects.
      http://inosmi.ru/politic/20151204/234679517.html

      Obama's team is quite content with not paying attention to the ISIS-Ankara axis. That's for sure, today from Turkey is the same NATO ally as from AIDS - a cure for pneumonia.
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 4 December 2015 11: 16 New
    +4
    There is only one progress: Russia is bombing these caravans! But Erdogan just went to the bank, as it is evident, the owner is no longer a decree to him. Well, let's see what it will result in, but it’s certain that it’s nothing good for him.
    1. Baloo
      Baloo 4 December 2015 11: 48 New
      +3
      The Turkish government rejected the American demand "for two reasons: because it is unrealistic, and also because the other side can take a hostile position, starting to build up forces on the border,"

      Of course, after all, the Turkish Fuhrer claims that it is Syria
      and Russia is trading in ISIS oil. am
      The cards are revealed, the picture is clear. The family business of pidrogan, oh, erdogan above all.
      I wish the GDP of patience and health, Russia defeat ISIS.
      They want to starve us economically, politically.
      We have stopped so many n \ o \ d \ o \ n \ k \ o \ dictators, we can handle this as well. It’s time to clean inside the country
      mold and all kinds of columns. Pleased with measures to strengthen security in crowded places. Everything is done clearly, unobtrusively and with dignity, today I saw it myself. But this is not enough. I am for the law of deprivation of citizenship for anti-state activities. hi
  8. NordUral
    NordUral 4 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +4
    Who would doubt that.
  9. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 4 December 2015 11: 17 New
    +4
    Who would doubt laughing
    They do not want, do not ... close on the Syrian side.
    Just warn that everything that enters / exits or enters / exits to / from the ATS will be destroyed.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak 4 December 2015 12: 13 New
      0
      Quote: Pharao7766
      close on the syrian side.

      Yes, just spit. What does it cost us ... One thing is not clear. If the Syrian army is thrown from the battlefield to the border, then who will fight and liberate the cities, And if you leave everything as it is, then who will guard the border? I doubt very much that these will be Russians sitting on VO and beating their heels in the chest!
  10. Decathlon
    Decathlon 4 December 2015 11: 19 New
    10
    Symptoms of oil and oil products poisoning: "Depending on the severity of intoxication, they manifest themselves in the form of a neurasthenic, asthenovegetative or asthenic syndrome, and in the most severe cases - encephalopathy." Everyone has arrived, I think - not a tenant ... The way out is euthanasia!
  11. shimus
    shimus 4 December 2015 11: 19 New
    +4
    What does Obama see there, PROGRESS?
    What kind of grass does he smoke or what does he drink, what does he see?
    There is a picture, the visually impaired became the president of the USA!
    It is their policy to hire the blind, deaf and wretched to work in the government!
  12. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 4 December 2015 11: 19 New
    +7
    The Turks once again demonstrated their unity with the Ishilovites. Can it really begin to bombard oil columns and places of accumulation of tankers by ODAB? Of course, with the fighter cover of our bombers and the inevitable downing of ALL Turkish combat aircraft in the area of ​​our aviation?
    Nerves just aren’t enough already, although I understand that you won’t solve everything so simply
  13. A-Sim
    A-Sim 4 December 2015 11: 19 New
    +4
    Turkish leadership in time trouble. It becomes unmanageable. The likelihood of inflating the "dangers of Kurdish terrorism" is high.
  14. avva2012
    avva2012 4 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +4
    On Tuesday, Barack Obama said: “I have repeatedly had conversations with Erdogan about the need to close the border between Turkey and Syria. We see serious progress in this, but certain gaps still remain. ” Ah, today is Friday. Erdogan is a man. He gave the word, he took the word! Or Barack, do you think that they can only shoot at us stealthily? Sit and wrap.
  15. Ivan Pupkin
    Ivan Pupkin 4 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +8
    Erdogan’s disobedience to Obama reminds me of the disobedience of activists who blew up supports in Hohland.
    those. I’m talking, but not at all against it :))
  16. Kosta153
    Kosta153 4 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +5
    Heater Obama! Say, I’ll say, close, and you, Erdogan, say, I won’t close. Did you understand, a block of wood?
  17. Stoler
    Stoler 4 December 2015 11: 22 New
    +2
    I recall the prophetic words of the "great Russian singer" P. Gagarina- "The performance is over, the lights go out! And there are no more dots!" laughing Well, in the subject? laughing laughing laughing
  18. Masya masya
    Masya masya 4 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +7
    “put up observation towers with soldiers every three meters,” and why then not a picket fence from the towers?
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 4 December 2015 11: 29 New
      +2
      Looks like the Great Ukrainian Wall, don't you find?
      1. Masya masya
        Masya masya 4 December 2015 11: 31 New
        +5
        So Turkey itself looks like Ukraine ...
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 4 December 2015 11: 34 New
          +1
          There is an old bearded joke. Two cowboys are coming, and one decided the other under (stab), so to speak. He asks: "Doesn't it seem to you that in this hat, you look like a p-sa?" The second is pulled by a cigar and answers, "please, I can swipe it the other way"
  19. Wolka
    Wolka 4 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +2
    well, that’s all that it wasn’t even necessary to prove, the Yankees themselves won’t climb on the rampage, the Kurds remain ???
  20. The black
    The black 4 December 2015 11: 25 New
    +2
    They do not want to close - EXCELLENT !!! The Syrian army needs to take full control of this area as soon as possible. By all means, it is necessary to block the border with Turkey. The sooner this happens, the easier it will be to smash Daesh.
  21. cuzmin.mihail2013
    cuzmin.mihail2013 4 December 2015 11: 25 New
    +2
    Erdogan bit the bit! In principle, why not. Who can pull him out of the SGA? BUT...
    On Tuesday, Barack Obama said: “I have repeatedly had conversations with Erdogan about the need to close the border between Turkey and Syria. We see serious progress in this, but certain gaps still remain. ”
    And problems can be solved as long as you want, At least until the elections. And there, let the new president have a headache.
  22. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2015 11: 27 New
    +1
    Ankara refused to fulfill Washington's demand

    Erdogan suffered against the backdrop of recent events, and obviously in the distance. They could not stand the nerves, even against the United States, stood in a pose to try to show the Turks how cool he was no matter what. And the United States will have sediment.
  23. solovey
    solovey 4 December 2015 11: 30 New
    +1
    Yesterday I read the prediction of different predictors - the general picture is such that in 2016 Russia will close the Middle East topic wink and everyone will be drawn to Russia = so gentlemen Europeans, democrats and liberals may not take you into a bright future wink
    1. AlexTires
      AlexTires 4 December 2015 11: 50 New
      +1
      If you remove the apocalyptic paintings, the bottom line will remain the main essence of the predictions:
      “In order to give Constantinople to the Greeks, the Russians will put millions of their own heads, smash the present Istanbul into the trash of the whole world and pour blood on them. At the same time, Greece is not going to participate in this banquet. command the deign "...

      Somewhere I already saw it ... Maybe the "little brothers" who graciously deigned to allow the Russians to die for their own freedom and independence?
    2. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 4 December 2015 12: 01 New
      +2
      Yesterday I read the prediction of different predictors - the general picture is that in 2016 Russia will close the Middle East topic wink and everyone will be drawn to Russia = so gentlemen Europeans, democrats and liberals may not take you into a bright future wink

      I really want to believe, but vague doubts torment me ... too much, everything is neglected and very serious interests are intertwined in this region. And about the predictions ... in the very beginning of the 90s there were many predictions, but one thing was remembered. Local wars will be fought on the outskirts of Russia (this was predicted before Chechnya), it will weaken greatly, but after a decade of upheaval it will come out and stand firm, its army will become even stronger and surprise the world with its power of spirit. A great war will begin in the south of the Cross and the Crescent, but Russia will not participate in it at first and only at the last stage will enter this war and win. Only this will not end there, Europe will be destroyed. I just don’t remember whether it concerned the political side, or in the literal sense. At that time, they did not particularly believe in such predictions - what a revival of Russia there is! Inflation is hundreds of percent, the devastation in enterprises ... Predictors are 99% nonsense, especially the country's main astrologer with their own miraculous forecasts, but 1% is still real. By the way, a couple of years before Yeltsin left on TV there was a broadcast about military "predictors" - there they talked about how they managed to reduce the accident rate of aircraft as a result of using something like numerology and astrology - according to the date of manufacture of the aircraft and the birth of the pilot, and said that the future president will have the letters "B" and "P" in his name and surname I am sure for the accuracy of the letters, but when Putin became I remembered this. So wanna believe it, wanna not, but there's something there wassat
  24. a housewife
    a housewife 4 December 2015 11: 30 New
    -1
    Well, we do that too. Obama demanded that Putin order Donetsk to stop shooting. Putin turned to the militia - I urge to end the conflict. Nah, they answered him. See, Putin told Obama - I called, but they don’t listen. laughing Interestingly, Obama is capitalized on the machine, but Putin is not. Outrage. It should be the other way around.
  25. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 4 December 2015 11: 31 New
    15
    Ankara refused to block the border with Syria
    Fuel trucks, fuel trucks ..
  26. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 4 December 2015 11: 33 New
    +3
    To convince Erdogan, there is little talk of persuasion.
    It requires sparring.
    With Putin.
  27. Lelek
    Lelek 4 December 2015 11: 33 New
    +4
    (We see significant progress in this ...)

    Interested in, sir, what progress do you see? Firstly, you need to look exactly in the TU direction, and secondly, what kind of progress can be if your "ally" sends you to the "macaque" in response to your instructions to strengthen and strengthen something there.
    It seems that the “most primitive” eater of “Chuyingem” is clearly not in himself. bully
  28. 3officer
    3officer 4 December 2015 11: 36 New
    +3
    Turkey does not like the old border line, they would like to add a couple of thousand km2 under the "garden".
  29. mag nit
    mag nit 4 December 2015 11: 41 New
    +3
    Or maybe “Pinocchio” will help to make a control and track strip along the Turkish border?
  30. R150
    R150 4 December 2015 11: 43 New
    +2
    Well, well, we are waiting for the next provocation and the invasion of Turkey in Syria ...

    in theory, Poroshenko’s attack on the Donbass should begin simultaneously.
  31. Gunther
    Gunther 4 December 2015 11: 44 New
    +1
    On Tuesday, Barack Obama said: “I have repeatedly had conversations with Erdogan about the need to close the border between Turkey and Syria. M

    Hmm, somehow it turns out badly, a clear disrespect for the Dark Lord)))
    The result will be Kurdistan and Petty Turkey, Iraq has already nibbled, Syria in the process, Turkey and Iran on the agenda.
  32. salad
    salad 4 December 2015 11: 44 New
    0
    Generally fun, they gave PERDogan nuts)))))))))) horseradish and not oil))))))))) that they can’t close the border well, you don’t have to close it soon and they will take control of the Syrian troops! but PERDogan will be afraid to go)))
  33. AlexTires
    AlexTires 4 December 2015 11: 45 New
    +2
    Americans, through Turkey’s coordinated refusal of Turkey, are pulling their European NATO satellites into adventurous ground operations closer to Assad’s Russian assistants in order to sharply increase the possibility of military clashes of the international bloc through planned provocations. Without their military presence, no one will give Turkey money. There are no legitimate reasons for the introduction of ground troops - they are inventing stalemate mnogohodovki. Until Syria overlaps, Turkey and Amers will not be scratched. They benefit from a mess on the border.
  34. aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 December 2015 11: 46 New
    +1
    In the photo - they burn beautifully !!! fellow
  35. sinoptic
    sinoptic 4 December 2015 11: 47 New
    +1
    From Turkey, the United States needs one thing to block the exit from the Black Sea at the command of Russia.
    Whether he is a terrorist or not, an Islamist is someone else, it doesn’t matter.
    That's when he makes it clear that the straits will be independently controlled without regard to the US and NATO.
    Only then will they hang him for one place. But this is unlikely.
    For the United States and the Islamists will always be against Russia, and their interests in this coincide.
    Here is such a black axis of evil.

    Hk and lastly.
    He's their "son of a bitch" ...
  36. Kuzhugetovich
    Kuzhugetovich 4 December 2015 11: 48 New
    0
    I found the source, if anyone is interested. http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/3-metreye-bir-asker-mi-dikelim-40022084
    They want to build some kind of wall. Mumblers, really believe them !? Apparently yes!
  37. Kuzhugetovich
    Kuzhugetovich 4 December 2015 11: 52 New
    0
    Here is another very interesting article, especially comments) And how about you: EU trolls !?))
    http://sosyal.hurriyet.com.tr/yazar/ahmet-hakan_131/rus-palavrasina-gore-koc-isi
    dden-petrol-aliyor_40022581
  38. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 4 December 2015 11: 56 New
    +1
    In my opinion, there is NO DIFFERENCE between the open border and the border closed by the Turkish authorities!
  39. Snail N9
    Snail N9 4 December 2015 11: 59 New
    +1
    Another thing is curious. Yesterday, a message flashed that, they say, the Kurds declared destroyed 1000 of their oil tankers! That is, Russia destroyed, allegedly, not the oil carriers ISIS-DAISH, but Kurdish. I wonder what the United States promised the Kurds that they began to shield Erdogan?
  40. HU YOUR
    HU YOUR 4 December 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Erdogan still has some gaps.

    Certain problems! How sweet that at least Ob-Mom recognizes it.
    laughing
  41. shinobi
    shinobi 4 December 2015 12: 06 New
    0
    Erdogan is in vain with an uncle from the United States. Uncle really doesn’t like to be refused him, and Erdogan is irreplaceable. Anything can happen now. There are more than enough generals of the Turkish army who are dissatisfied with Erdogan.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 4 December 2015 12: 36 New
      +1
      I would not be so categorical regarding Turkey and the United States. It is very likely that they play the same game together, but they only have different roles, but playing with the United States is like getting a board on the head if you start making the wrong moves .
      And Turkey is a madman who plays with a grenade in a crowd of people.
  42. imugn
    imugn 4 December 2015 12: 08 New
    +2
    Strange army: if you put Turkish soldiers every three meters, but without towers, then the border will still be transparent for militants and tankers? :-)
  43. Belousov
    Belousov 4 December 2015 12: 15 New
    0
    Well, who voluntarily abandons such a profitable business? Besides, at least someone believes that Turkey can disobey the staff? They say they will close the straits, which is much more serious, they will close it without hesitation, and then they clashed against the border, clowns ...
  44. Dada
    Dada 4 December 2015 12: 19 New
    0
    It is imperative that the Kurds arm the MANPADS.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 4 December 2015 13: 23 New
      0
      Well, of course, wait, ours already ran to them to distribute MANPADS to the right and to the left.
  45. S-17
    S-17 4 December 2015 12: 21 New
    0
    Yes, what is Washington’s demand there? They stupidly scolded, and more than that it’s a performance in a bad and good cop ...
  46. VeteranS
    VeteranS 4 December 2015 12: 22 New
    0
    Yesterday, our top-level diplomatic grandmaster S.V. Lavrov very accurately described Erdogan's convulsive attempts to dodge the thieves' trade in Syrian and Iraqi oil with Daesh ... "The hat is on the thief!" they don’t see this criminal scheme of the Turkish authorities with terrorists ...
  47. kolyhalovs
    kolyhalovs 4 December 2015 12: 26 New
    0
    and also because the other side can take a hostile position by starting to build up forces at the border


    Sorry, I did not understand this moment. It means that Big and scary Turkey is afraid of ISIS? Because on the other side is ISIS. It turns out some kind of nonsense, like "I'm afraid that the tiger cub will scratch me, so I feed it."
  48. Support
    Support 4 December 2015 12: 27 New
    0
    Burn with a hot iron - in the sense of bombs and rockets. They completely lost the scent. They want the Ottoman port again? Drive for greyhound and unreasonable demands and actions into caves. They have enough of them there. There were already a few dodgers who wanted various empires, and only by means of physical elimination can peace be achieved.
  49. belui
    belui 4 December 2015 12: 30 New
    0
    Quote: sever.56

    Well, and what will Obama say in response now? Again will argue that Turkey is an active fighter with Daesh ???


    No, it’s all easier, at the next briefing they will say “we don’t have such information” ...
  50. belui
    belui 4 December 2015 12: 31 New
    0
    Quote: Snail N9
    Another thing is curious. Yesterday, a message flashed that, they say, the Kurds declared destroyed 1000 of their oil tankers! That is, Russia destroyed, allegedly, not the oil carriers ISIS-DAISH, but Kurdish. I wonder what the United States promised the Kurds that they began to shield Erdogan?


    Yeah and Kurds transported oil to refineries in Turkey laughing
    Where is the proof?
    1. Snail N9
      Snail N9 4 December 2015 14: 32 New
      -1
      "Proof, proof" .. but to search on the Internet for yourself "proof", what is laziness? Or "do not know how"?
      Вот пруф" http://www.rbc.ru/politics/03/12/2015/56609bba9a79472dabc8cb71