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A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"

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A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"



A funny joke about two Ukrainian patriots who scold Putin for opposing the association of Ukraine with the EU is haunting the Internet. After all, the Russian leader knew that in Kiev they would surely make mischief. And now, they say, due to Putin’s fault in Ukraine, they must suffer from European integration. The Kiev authorities managed to make byl not only Kafka, but also jokes. How else can we name the failure of the trilateral negotiations between Russia, Ukraine and the EU on the implementation of the Association Agreement, which took place on December 1 in Brussels?

Although the parties agreed to negotiate further, these negotiations were apparently the last before the economic part of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU entered into force on 1 in January 2016, although Kiev still hopes for one round. That is, the embargo on the supply of Ukrainian products declared by Russia and depriving Ukraine of preferences in accordance with the Treaty on the Free Trade Zone in the CIS from October 18 and 2011 from January will become a reality. And we will have to agree in completely different conditions. Noting the failure of the negotiations, the Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation A.Ulyukaev stressed that “everyone should understand that you can study as much as you want, but after January 1 you will have to study in another economic reality”

Recall that the requirements of the Russian side are to take a number of measures to protect the Russian market from the overflow of European goods, including the establishment of quotas for Ukrainian food imports to Russia, the right of Russia to impose duties on non-food imports from Ukraine when a certain threshold of supply is exceeded. Russia also asks to confirm the obligations of Ukraine to protect Russian investments and, within 10 years, to allow the voluntary use of GOSTs by Ukrainian enterprises. The sticking point was the signing of a legally binding document by the European and Ukrainian parties.

But if the EU, agreeing in essence with the proposals put forward by Moscow, is not ready to assume only legal obligations, the reaction of Kiev can only be called hysterical. As stated, for example, P. Poroshenko during a meeting with D. Grybauskaite, “neither Ukraine nor the EU will respond to any blackmail. We are determined to launch a deep and comprehensive free trade zone with the EU since 1 in January 2016. ” In turn, A.Yatsenyuk, announcing that Ukraine will not delay the introduction of European standards envisaged by the Association Agreement, broke into a tirade that “the goal of Russia is not to provide an opportunity for the Ukrainian economy to develop, not to give an opportunity for Ukrainian goods were competitive and easily conquered other markets. That is why technical standards and phytosanitary standards will be introduced from 1 in January next year. ” And Foreign Minister P. Klimkin lied altogether that Moscow insisted on Ukraine’s accession to Russian sanctions against the EU.

As always, Kiev, in order to continue the anti-Russian hysteria, is ready to sacrifice its own economy, which is already in the bankruptcy stage. According to A.Yatsenyuk, the losses from the introduction of the food embargo by Russia against Ukraine will amount to 600 million. The prime minister’s special pride is that “we have reduced Ukraine’s dependence on the Russian market three times. Three years ago, such dependence was on average 35%, but today our dependence is 12,5%. ” And the truth is, for the bankrupt country 12% there, 12% here is such a trifle in comparison with pleasure to annoy Russia. It doesn’t matter that, as A.Ulyukayev noted, Russia will not even notice this. A. Pavlenko, Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine, doesn’t care about losses, “for the agrarian sector of Ukraine, blocking, imposing sanctions from Russia’s side on 1 in January is the price of a 2% solution. We are ready for the fact that Russia will take tough measures. Our goal is to move to the European Union. ” And nobody promised to feed the people on the road.

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Theoretically, the loss of 600 million dollars really could have been neglected for the sake of a “bright future.” The Kyiv authorities are clearly counting on the fact that citizens will not wonder why the losses are so small, and is trying to file this as another success. In fact, thanks to the efforts of European integrators from the Pechersk hills, Ukraine has really nothing to lose in trade with Russia, except for the last truck with chicken carcasses.

According to P. Poroshenko himself, “since 2013, in fact, the embargo and sanctions against Ukraine have been in effect, and it is precisely from these sanctions that the trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia has decreased fourfold.” If you do not consider attempts to blame from a sick head on a healthy one, P. Poroshenko’s statement corresponds to the truth. What could be destroyed is already destroyed. It is enough to recall the ban on military-technical cooperation with the Russian Federation adopted by the Ukrainian government, the introduction of economic sanctions against Russia in August 2015, the closure of air links between the two countries, the blockade of the Crimea and other hostile measures of Kiev aimed at disrupting economic cooperation.

As a result, in the first nine months of 2015, exports of goods from Ukraine to Russia declined almost 2,3 times, by 4,53 billion dollars, and imports by more than 1,9 times, to 5,47 billion dollars.

Food and agricultural trade between Russia and Ukraine over 10 months 2015 of the year fell 2,2 times compared to the same period last year, reaching 678,4 million dollars. At the same time, exports of agricultural and food products from Ukraine to Russia fell 10 times. Before that (in 3,6 year), the agricultural commodity turnover between the Russian Federation and Ukraine had already decreased by 2014 times (imports from Ukraine - by 1,8 times, exports to Ukraine - by 2%). Ukraine has completely stopped deliveries of dairy products, eggs, poultry meat, cereals and confectionery products, tobacco products to the Russian market.

But the worst thing is not even that. According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, in 2013, the volume of its trade with the countries of the Customs Union (CU) and the EU countries was about the same. Thus, in January-September 2013, the share of vehicles in the total volume of exports from Ukraine amounted to 31,7%, and imports to 35,4%. And if now A. Yatsenyuk voices the figure of 12%, this means that almost 20% of Ukraine’s foreign trade with Russia is already irretrievably lost.

In addition, according to A. Popov (Kreston GCG Development Director AK), “until the spring-summer of 2014, Ukraine exported much more value-added products to the CU countries than to the EU. Thus, in 2013, more than 50% of the total export to the CU consisted of approximately equal shares of such groups of goods as ferrous metals and products from them; boilers, cars, railway locomotives, nuclear reactors; food industry and agriculture. At the same time, half of the total exports to the EU consisted of products from the agro-industrial sector and food industry, where 2 / 3 accounted for grains, as well as iron ore and, to a much lesser extent, ferrous metals. ” Losing the Russian market, the Kiev authorities are killing their own industry.

It is not excluded that the embargo against Ukrainian agricultural products, which Russia introduces solely through the fault of Ukraine, which joined the Western sanctions, may later be extended to industrial goods. In this case, the Ukrainian metallurgy, mechanical engineering, chemical industry, etc. will be hit. Since the Russian Federation is for them the main market, and these sectors will not be able to occupy similar niches in the EU, they will have to reduce production by 30-70%. But even without additional restrictive measures on the part of Russia, merely depriving Ukrainian high-tech products of preferences of the CIS free trade zone will cause a tangible blow to Ukrainian industry, which is already breathing its last.

At the same time, A. Yatsenyuk did not find anything better than to introduce a law to the parliament on the introduction of mirror sanctions against Russia. According to him, “the Ukrainian government will respond with mirror sanctions to every Russian decision.” Thus, those pitiful remnants of cooperation that could still be preserved after two years of “management” of the current Kiev authorities will be guaranteed.

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As was to be expected, by cutting off cooperation with Russia, Ukraine did not win the European market. Despite the fact that the FTA with the EU is currently working unilaterally, i.e. Europe eliminated duties for Ukrainian goods, trade with the EU falls. For 8 months 2015. Ukrainian exports to Europe decreased by 32,5% and amounted to 8,155 billion dollars, imports fell by 26,9%. In digital terms, Ukraine did not get enough billions of dollars in trade with the EU 4,03

From January 1, Ukraine is also obliged to cancel duties for European goods. According to the assessment of the former Minister of Economy of Ukraine V.Suslov, due to the cancellation of duties on European goods, Ukraine will lose several hundred million euros in revenues, will receive more competitive products from Europe and thus lose the domestic market for national producers. If we add to this the 160 billion euros, which will be required for the transition to European standards and technical conditions in the event that the Association Agreement with the EU enters into force, the “bright European future” appears in all its glory.

In contrast to the Kiev “Euroormantics”, Europe itself quite soberly assesses the prospects of the Ukrainian economy after the start of the full-fledged work of the association. According to the head of the trade and economic department of the EU representative office in Ukraine, N. Berdzh, Ukraine will be able to experience positive results from the launch of the free trade zone with the European Union only through 5-10 years after its launch.

At the same time, Europe made it clear that it would no longer intend to finance "the introduction of Kiev to the civilized world" and a trade war with Russia. As the European Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy Khan stated, in particular, “we, of course, were and are against any actions that impede trade. But we have already provided a lot of money for Ukrainian business to prepare for new export opportunities and new market conditions. We will speak frankly - since we agreed on the FTA, it was not a secret that after its introduction the Russian Federation can act in response, whether we like it or not. And there was plenty of time to prepare for this. " In turn, the European Commissioner for Trade Malmstrom in response to Poroshenko’s request to expand access of Ukrainian products to the EU market reported that the EU authorities are not even considering increasing the quotas for the supply of products from Ukraine to the European market. As they say, the problems of the Sheriff Indians do not care.

Rather, on the contrary, Europe is interested in improving relations with Russia and is tired of Ukrainian hysteria. German Foreign Minister Steinmeier addressed the European Commissioner for Trade Malmström with a letter inviting the EU and the Russian Federation to sign a joint declaration containing proposals on investments in the Russian economy and on energy issues. According to Berlin, this will help create a more integrated economic space between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

Ukraine is expected to have hundreds of billions of financial losses, further destruction of industrial potential, rising unemployment, circumcision of social programs and financial collapse. With this approach, it will only be possible to integrate into Europe with a carcass or stuffed animal. No wonder that Poroshenko at a meeting with Grybauskaite on December 2 in Lithuania announced that Ukrainians wanted to go to Europe, and not decent salaries and pensions.
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  1. From Samara
    From Samara 5 December 2015 06: 16 New
    35
    I look at Ukraine and go nuts! Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!
    1. izya top
      izya top 5 December 2015 06: 37 New
      15
      Цитата: Из Самары
      Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!

      geniuses, crap ... what
      puppy still died request
      1. fraer
        fraer 5 December 2015 07: 12 New
        +5

        ....................
        1. EFA
          EFA 5 December 2015 12: 47 New
          +1
          It seems that the right sector shot this video ...
          Больше наверно некому, про фашиков на слова, критика правительчтва и президента, обвинение России, и строчка внизу с буквами "ПТН ПНХ".
          1. fraer
            fraer 5 December 2015 16: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: EFA
            It seems that the right sector shot this video ...
            Больше наверно некому, про фашиков на слова, критика правительчтва и президента, обвинение России, и строчка внизу с буквами "ПТН ПНХ".

            Well, who would doubt where the legs grow from this video.
            It's a shame, they did the thing, but excommunicated from the feeder.
            The rest.
            If Tsilya, all over Deribasovskaya were yelling that Putin is our president, I would think that this is the end of the world. lol
      2. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 December 2015 08: 05 New
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        NDA ... Here is the same ... smile
    2. Cheshire
      Cheshire 5 December 2015 07: 57 New
      10
      I look at Ukraine and go nuts! Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!

      У них план хитрый, типа "через тернии к звездам". laughing
      Petya and Senya - they work for Russia, although they shout the opposite. And in fact, it will come out that after some (very short by the standards of history) time, Kakland will once again change priorities. wink
      You DO NOT ENVY the population. People, simple hard workers and their families are really sorry, but Russophobia also has to be paid.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 December 2015 08: 09 New
        +5
        Quote: Cheshire
        They have a cunning plan

        "Хитрый" план Порошенко....ага...слышали,знаем...интервью Порошенко немцам...смотреть всем. yes

        25 minutes of continuous peremog and sudden zrad from the EU. fellowSeparated is the fact that the German told him three times in direct speech that neither the EU nor NATO would expect such peremohnik. Poroshenko does not agree with the German ... well, I didn’t declare the Kremlin’s agent to be German. laughing
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 5 December 2015 09: 24 New
        +8
        Quote: Cheshire
        У них план хитрый, типа "через тернии к звездам".

        Ну да..., такие "терни" что и не пролезть... За 24 года уничтожили Украину, которая вышла из УССР одной из десяти самых мощных экономик мира, а сейчас вообще не имеет экономики. Которая имела третью в мире после США и России и первую в Европе (не считая российской) армию. Можно перефразировать известную хохму - за что бы он не взялся русский у него получается автомат, то про Запад можно сказать - за что ни возьмется Запад, у него получается Ирак...
        1. captain
          captain 5 December 2015 11: 19 New
          +9
          Уважаемые форумчане! Мне лично глубоко плевать на промышленность и экономику Украины. Меня очень сильно интересует наша промышленность и наше сельское хозяйство. Ну не хотят украинцы с нами торговать и бог с ними, мне от этого не жарко и не холодно. Меня гораздо больше интересует. когда мы заменим все украинское на наше российское. Не пишите пожалуйста о несчастном народе Украины, есть такая поговорка;" ..каков народ, такие и бояре...". Выбрали они свой шлях к благополучию и пусть на волах к нему и едут.
          1. Cheshire
            Cheshire 5 December 2015 13: 14 New
            +3
            hi
            Dear Yuri! Ukraine will be Russia, by definition there will be no other. Based on this, we will be raking, including me and you (I hope to live to see this).
      3. Stena
        Stena 5 December 2015 12: 23 New
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        Quote: Cheshire
        Petya and Senya - they work for Russia, although they shout the opposite. And in fact, it will come out that after some (very short by the standards of history) time, Kakland will once again change priorities.
        You DO NOT ENVY the population. People, simple hard workers and their families are really sorry, but Russophobia also has to be paid.

        And why do they need anyone (and especially us) with constantly changing priorities?
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 5 December 2015 13: 09 New
          +2
          Quote: Cheshire
          Petya and Senya - they work for Russia, although they shout the opposite. And in fact, it will come out that after some (very short by the standards of history) time, Kakland will once again change priorities.
          You DO NOT ENVY the population. People, simple hard workers and their families are really sorry, but Russophobia also has to be paid.
          And why do they need anyone (and especially us) with constantly changing priorities?

          It so happened that they live on Russian land. This is not the time now to throw lands, and so the floor of the Union has fled.
    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 5 December 2015 08: 50 New
      +2
      In general, he’s not even interested in what is happening in Ukraine anymore, except that there would be peace in the Donbass. It’s time for the mattresses to change the bloody clown, otherwise this idea has already exhausted itself. Or we wait until the people really take the gun, be it even a rake, and really go to the mortal battle to juggle the junta, for the sake of the future of their children.
    4. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 5 December 2015 09: 32 New
      14
      You can’t argue with history.
    5. Angry orc
      Angry orc 5 December 2015 11: 46 New
      +1
      we ourselves were the same in the 90s
    6. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 5 December 2015 11: 59 New
      +2
      From Samara SU
      I look at Ukraine and go nuts! ...

      Why go nuts? Everyone understands that the authorities in the Outskirts had only people with one thought - FILL YOUR POCKET! AND FASTER!
      Поэтому немного не соглашусь с автором... УКРОПИЯ НЕ СМОЖЕТ ПРИЙТИ В ЕВРОПУ! Полу трупы в виде "тушек и чучел" -- не ходят! УКРОПИЮ ПРИТАЩУТ В ЕС ПОД РУКИ! Назло РФ!
      И будет УКРОПИЯ существовать до тех пор, пока она находится на искусственном питании и принудительной подаче кислорода для жизни. Такой искусственной поддержкой была помощь России в виде дотаций и преференций в виде беспошлинной поставки товаров. Это была безвозмездная помощь. Такую форму поддержки жизнеспособности носит и система бесконечных кредитов от Запада. Но это ведь сладкая ловушка для Укропии! (берут деньги, но их надо будет возвращать с процентами ... а как, чем и когда отдавать?)!! Уровняв Укропию в правах торговли по типу "КАК ДЛЯ ВСЕХ!"... этот канал поддержки от России будет прекращён, но НЕ В ВИДЕ ЭМБАРГО (как часто пишут некоторые безмозглые журналюги, чем только разжигают страсти) А В ВИДЕ ОТМЕНЫ ПРЕФЕРЕНЦИЙ СВОБОДНОЙ ТОРГОВЛИ! Поневоле взвоешь белугой!Ведь где ещё возьмёшь такую халявную "руку дающую добро"! А без неё - ещё один шаг в финансовую пропасть... А кому хочется падать на дно жизни..ВЕДЬ ТАМ, НА ВЕРХУ ТАК ХОРОШО!!!
      1. onizhe
        onizhe 7 December 2015 18: 43 New
        0
        It is unlikely that someone will drag ukrov to the EU just to spite us. In its enlargement program, the EU made many miscalculations, putting politics above the economy. They did not think about this in the fat years, when Bulgaria and Romania were annexed. But the skinny years came when they had to pay for previous miscalculations. Now, even if the fat years come back, Europeans will think 10 times before deciding to join at least someone problematic.
    7. blackenergy89
      blackenergy89 5 December 2015 12: 20 New
      +1
      the Urarains this money we sucked Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the team, the Ukrainians worse than the Jews, by God am
    8. marlin1203
      marlin1203 5 December 2015 14: 25 New
      +1
      Full speed ahead, Ukraine! laughing Wow, how fortunate we are to observe such an experiment in life! It costs a lot. Ordinary people only feel sorry ...
      1. Vend
        Vend 5 December 2015 19: 40 New
        +1
        I think not a carcass and not a scarecrow, but a small piece.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2015 06: 17 New
    +6
    It was not in vain that Poroshenko at a meeting with Grybauskaite on December 2 in Lithuania announced that Ukrainians wanted to Europe, and not decent salaries and pensions.


    The drunken barefoot, in the face of Petsky from Rashen, does not appease. No way out of a drunken courage! From this, the trousers are wrinkled and justified, as well as all their non-fallow! laughing
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 5 December 2015 07: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: aszzz888
      The drunken barefoot, in the face of Petsky from Rashen, does not appease. No way out of a drunken courage!
  3. Federal
    Federal 5 December 2015 06: 20 New
    12
    У них есть хозяин который несет всю ответственность за происходящие процессы на укропятикантропии, а эти приземленные все равно в судьбе своей "страны" ничего не решают. Больше напоминает "Золотого теленка" И.Ильфа и Е.Петрова, когда Зицпредседатель Фунт нес всю ответственность за финансовую составляющую фирмы "Рога и копыта", так и эта свора ушлепков Порошенко, Яценюк..... и иже с ними, больше похожи на того Фунта.
  4. BLOND
    BLOND 5 December 2015 06: 20 New
    11
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"

    Ukraine will enter the carcass and cut (chopped) into pieces ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 5 December 2015 06: 25 New
      +9
      Gutted, ready to eat
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 5 December 2015 06: 26 New
    12
    Цитата: Из Самары
    Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!

    was a good teacher ...
  6. Funnels
    Funnels 5 December 2015 06: 30 New
    12
    А анекдот про двух "патриотов" правильный:во всем виновата Россия!
    Премьер-министр Украины Арсений Яценюк заявил, что подрыв опор линии электропередач в Херсонской области могли организовать россияне. Яценюк заявил, что к этому якобы причастны "российские диверсионные группы", которые якобы находятся в регионе в большом количестве.Об этом сообщает издание "Украинская правда". good
    Laughed, already fell off the couch.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 December 2015 07: 33 New
      +8
      Quote: Funnels
      Laughed, already fell off the couch.

      When you read about Ukraine, you should not sit or lie on the couch, but sit in a chair. It is advisable to fasten your seat belt.
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      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 5 December 2015 07: 53 New
        +7
        Кресло не жалко? Да и ремень безопасности рассчитан на предотвращение наступления тяжких последствий в результате аварии, но никак на реакцию нормального, умеющего думать человека на украинские реалии, и особенно на "перлы изящной словесности" деятелей из "страны 404".
        For example, the other day on the site posted this statement by Turchinov (Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine - it’s ridiculous, because it’s impossible to protect yourself and defend yourself in principle!), So this is the figure regarding the actions of the Russian air forces in Syria stated:
        "То, что происходит на Ближнем Востоке, то, что происходит в Сирии, а именно активное применение и отработка Российской Федерацией боевого применения авиации — это очень сильно нас беспокоит. Мы изучаем и стратегию, и тактику военных России по нанесению ударов с воздуха", — сказал он.
        "И мы понимаем, что Россия в случае новой эскалации конфликта на востоке нашей страны или на любом участке российско-украинской границы может применять авиацию. И должны быть к этому готовы. И, безусловно, когда агрессия будет с воздуха, мы будем защищать себя, уничтожая агрессора и в воздухе" — пообещал Турчинов.
        "Сейчас они отрабатывают использование применения боевой авиации, использование ракет, в частности, крылатых. Они пускают ракеты и с воздуха, с кораблей, в том числе даже с подводной лодки только для того, чтобы отработать их применение, отработать точное попадание в цели"

        And now attention, I ask you to hold on to the chair more firmly, according to Turchinov, the goal of the actions of the air forces in Syria is:
        “Destroy Ukraine as an independent democratic state”
        - That's right! No more, no less! I sometimes have a question - what kind of GMOs do they add to the national product in order to get such a parish and catch such glitches that any addict with experience will be jealous.
        And Europe, present-day Ukraine, is neither needed as a carcass, nor as a scarecrow. They and their fellow citizens, independent of the brain, have enough conscience and honor to increase their number at the expense of the Independence Square.
        I have the honor.
      3. Funnels
        Funnels 5 December 2015 08: 41 New
        +3
        Sofa 2x2, and then there is not enough space.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 December 2015 06: 33 New
    +3
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"

    If it ever comes in, then the carcass cut out is not clear what. In the meantime, stands a scarecrow on the border with Russia. That's just this stuffed animal in Russia are not afraid, but in Europe they began to despise.
    1. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 5 December 2015 07: 33 New
      +3
      Spoiled carcasses and stuffed moths are to be disposed of on site. That is, in the cattle cemetery, which in fact is Ukraine.
  8. bad
    bad 5 December 2015 06: 36 New
    +1
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"
    ..Придёт"-раком.. laughing
    Hundreds of billions of financial losses await Ukraine
    how many billions have been prophesied to the famineers? ..
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 5 December 2015 07: 24 New
      10
      Quote: bad
      ..Придёт"-раком..

  9. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 5 December 2015 06: 38 New
    +6
    Let Ukraine join anywhere, even into the EU, even into the closet, even into pioneers! It will be a beautiful and illustrative lesson for all those present nearby, how to completely overhaul completely voluntarily, and with masochistic subtleties (with the only sight that maybe beyond the Urals will burst from these tricks).
  10. Igor39
    Igor39 5 December 2015 06: 39 New
    10
    I watched a recent interview by Petkino Deutsche Welle with Tim Sebastian, he looked like an idiot. It's hard to say what will happen from this experiment on European integration, industrial products in Europe are good, and agricultural products can certainly enter the market, but only if you look at Bulgaria but the industry will surely be killed.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 5 December 2015 07: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Igor39
      I watched a recent interview with Petkino Deutsche Welle with Tim Sebastian, he looked like an idiot.

      So it is necessary to prepare for any interview, and soberly. hi
  11. Masya masya
    Masya masya 5 December 2015 06: 42 New
    +5
    "для страны-банкрота 12% туда, 12% сюда – такая мелочь", поросю не до цифр, главное что б в карман сюда... где уж там чаяние народа...
  12. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 5 December 2015 06: 43 New
    21
    We will all earn mazol in the language of telling our neighbors who they are for Europe, a useless thing. Ukraine does not want to learn from anyone's mistakes, and as a result, one result.
  13. Jarilo
    Jarilo 5 December 2015 06: 50 New
    +3
    If the patient does not want to admit his illness and refuses treatment, which most likely indicates that he is not sane, then most likely he will die. The natural reaction is that everyone is trying to isolate themselves from him. They are not allowed into Europe; Russia is blocking everything.
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 5 December 2015 07: 08 New
      +3
      He will not die ... he will still get everyone, with his insanity ...
    2. onizhe
      onizhe 7 December 2015 19: 16 New
      0
      I do not think that the whole point is that Russia is blocking something. According to the German journalist, this is so. But is it really so? Take ukrov to NATO? It’s a great idea, but only recently one old NATO member put this organization on the brink of war with a nuclear superpower. What can you expect from these? I think the degree of their adequacy in Europe and the states is assessed quite soberly. Accept in the EU? About 10 years ago, Europeans would have done it without hesitation, but the crisis taught them how to count money. Unbridled expansion without taking into account economic feasibility is already putting the EU on the brink of collapse. The upcoming referendum in Britain is one of the first swallows. And this is in a prosperous country that simply does not want to contain parasites. But what will happen in these most deceived freeloaders if leaders are strengthened who can explain to the people how exactly they were fooled?
  14. Basarev
    Basarev 5 December 2015 07: 02 New
    +2
    The secret is that with all these measures, the Klamin industry is not being killed - it is just that the country is returned to its natural state.
  15. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 December 2015 07: 08 New
    10
    I bought a Ukrainian gas stove - two years later it fell apart (or rather earlier, but threw it out after 2). I bought Belarusian - I don’t know grief. I bought Ukrainian wallpaper - tormented, glued the edges all winter. Now only Belarusian or Russian. So the goods from the country which is not (404) - we do not use anymore.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 5 December 2015 07: 49 New
      +6
      Quote: EvgNik
      So the goods from the country which is not (404) - we do not use anymore.

      I have elderly parents who practically do not leave their homes, so for them I drag products from the store. In the past, I often met Ukrainian cheeses, confectionery, household chemicals, and canned goods in our stores. Now there are simply no Ukrainian goods, all of our Russian products are for every taste and budget. And a niece from Ukraine came to work with a friend, worked at a food factory, which worked for three days, stood for three, received a salary of 3000 rubles, doesn’t want to go back, now they’re thinking how to register her and get a job here. Here is such a breakthrough.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 5 December 2015 13: 19 New
        +1
        Now they’re thinking how to register and get a job here,
        But isn’t it jumping? Otherwise, miners from the republics recently came to us in the Rostov region, so they say that it’s Russia’s fault, they would have agreed with the Bandera. And the miners don’t have anything in Ukraine now, they don’t see.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 5 December 2015 17: 22 New
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          But is she not jumping?

          Чтобы ответить на Ваш вопрос специально позвонил другу. Передаю ответ близко к оригиналу: скакала и очень высоко, верила, что как только Украина войдёт в Европу, то будет сразу всё хорошо и зарплаты и пенсии будут как в Европе, их годами так убеждали, сейчас она начала чесать макушку и думать, "кто виноват и что делать", при этом вопрос - во всём виноват Путин, как-то возникает всё меньше и меньше, начинает говорить, что нас обманули...Думаю, что надо бороться за каждую заблудшую овцу, никуда мы не денемся друг от друга, не только соседи, но и родня у нас там, надо бороться, не всё потеряно, а нам нужны там свои люди.
    2. tanit
      tanit 5 December 2015 07: 54 New
      +2
      I bought my mother and a gas stove and gas column. Belarus - no complaints so far (5 years).
      What does this mean?
      And about nothing.
      Sincerely.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 December 2015 08: 01 New
    12
    But there are almost 40 million people who need to survive. Now in correspondence with people from Dill. They ask to work and generally move. I am writing to them - in Moscow it is difficult and expensive, look for simpler options - but no. We want the best. And what can we do, I ask? And we also have to be able to something? With outrage! Well, what can I say!
    1. onizhe
      onizhe 7 December 2015 19: 59 New
      0
      Вот в том то и дело, что с возмущением. За годы советской власти хохлы почему-то решили, что они чем-то лучше русских. Собственно, не они одни так решили, все считали, что кормят всю Россию. Грузины об этом говорили, казахи, даже шпроты, чей одноименный продукт было не найти на полках магазинов. Отсюда пренебрежительные разговоры про русских ватников. Увы, но новая общность людей, "советский народ", строился на подчинении русских кому угодно за их лояльность. Сейчас мы расхлебываем результаты, во многом, той политики, и не уверен, что непродуманной.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 December 2015 08: 03 New
    +2
    Really they can not look at Moldova or Bulgaria and everything becomes clear! Gray poor areas where people make ends meet.
  18. sl22277
    sl22277 5 December 2015 08: 04 New
    +2
    Europe does not want to see hordes of Ukrainians who rush to conquer their place under the warm sun of the EU. And given the incredible criminalization of Ukraine, this will not be a peaceful process ...
    1. Neophyte
      Neophyte 5 December 2015 08: 21 New
      +4
      It would be interesting to observe how 20-30 million Ukrainian farm laborers
      would bring chaos to Europe?
  19. Nymp
    Nymp 5 December 2015 08: 21 New
    +6
    Даже в строительстве северного потока в обход украины, ей самой ВВП предложил поучаствовать, вложить так сказать гривну, что бы потом получить 10. В укроСМИ рычали что mockaлu издеваются. Германия вложилась и теперь стрижёт бабло. Укропия даже на "вредном" для себя проекте отказалась от выгоды. И таких примеров уйма. Любое сотрудничество с Россией принесло бы им копеечку. Боже, да в советские времена таких руководителей к стенке поставили.
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 December 2015 08: 26 New
    0
    Rotten pork! wassat
  21. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 5 December 2015 08: 37 New
    12
    What can I say? - I feel sorry for Europe. Got hemorrhoids.
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 5 December 2015 11: 20 New
      0
      Изобретателю приемлемой валюты соседнего недогосударства .."+".
  22. Egoza
    Egoza 5 December 2015 08: 48 New
    +4
    What clung to Crimea? There, the president clearly said ...
    “Ukraine is ready to resume electricity supplies to the Crimea, and if Putin hadn’t arrived there on Wednesday, they would have already done that.”
    И вообще безвизовый режим в 2016г.... мы уже подготовились....Ведь если поедут в Европу, так и покупки будут делать. Обратно будут возвращаться - на ввезенный "импорт" налог надо будет заплатить. То-то бюджет наполнится! wassat
    1. Funnels
      Funnels 5 December 2015 09: 03 New
      +4
      Again Putin ruined everything tongue
  23. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 5 December 2015 09: 07 New
    +7
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"
  24. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 5 December 2015 09: 12 New
    0
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    What can I say? - I feel sorry for Europe. Got hemorrhoids.

    the bucket can be at the bottom, only to crap in water as it’s not comme il faut ... wassat
  25. ilyinval61
    ilyinval61 5 December 2015 09: 24 New
    +1
    Russia's goal is not to give the opportunity for the Ukrainian economy to develop, not to give the opportunity for Ukrainian goods to be competitive and easily conquer other markets

    Терзают смутные сомненья. он правда верит "во то шо говорить"? Или это постоянно транслируемая пародия на стиль геббельса - чем больше ложь и чем чаще повторяется, тем больше укро***** сограждан в это поверят?
  26. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 5 December 2015 09: 26 New
    +2
    Sign a joint declaration containing proposals on investments in the Russian economy and on energy issues.

    Ofigeva! Invest Russian money in US government bonds at a maximum of 0.5%, to do this, freeze pensions and at the same time take loot for investment at 5-10%. Russians, when do you nationalize the National Bank? And then he has a branch of the Fed.
  27. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 5 December 2015 10: 18 New
    +1
    Сами себя угробят по формуле "На зло северному соседу". Сейчас у меня это не вызывает сожаления, все взрослые и это их выбор........
  28. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 5 December 2015 10: 18 New
    0
    In this situation, hockles will scatter around the world, and blacks will be brought to Ukraine
    and asians.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 5 December 2015 11: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: v.yegorov
      and blacks will be brought to Ukraine
      and asians.

      Yeah, who will start to eat fat and hapak dance in trousers! With forelocks it will be more difficult, blacks have curly hair like sheep’s! bully
  29. Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 5 December 2015 10: 47 New
    +7
    Пеесмотрел тут фильм "Вечера на хуторе....." Как-то раньше в голову не приходила простая мысль, что кузнец Вакула и олицетворяет собой всю паскудность каклятской предательской сущности. Судите сами:
    Напросился ехать с казаками запорожскими к царице. Те лохи согласились его взять, мол "спивает хорошо". И что? Когда бухнулись в ноги царице Екатерине, что бы решить свой земельно-политический вопрос, то энтот Вакула, вылез вперёд и чисто по-коклятски зараз решил свой "шкурняк"-выклянчил у государыни "чоровички" для свой коханой.(Кто её видимо только не "кохал",а чоровичек не дал).Опосля нагадив казакам, смылся верхом на чёрте(что символично т.к.Потёмкин сжёг Запорожскую Сечь).Кстати затем предал(отблагодарил) и чёрта. Тот его на горбу возил всю дорогу, а в благодарность пинка под дупу от слобожанина Вакулы получил(что также символично).Кстати нигде в фильме не видно, что энтот "кузнец"Вакула "зробил"(выковал там что-то или типа того). Всю дорогу бухал,кохал, брехал,предавал.Его односелючане тоже не лучше. Тильки и мечтали "як галушки сами в пасть им прыгать станут". Вот так я открыл для себя гоголевскую Окраину. Прошло 200 лет и..........
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 5 December 2015 13: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      200 years have passed and ..........

      ....... Now, theirs is Vakula asking the little cherry trees not from the Russian tsarina but from the west, despite the fact that Vakula promises to pay with the body of a kohan. It was only the Russian tsarina who could fulfill the request of xoxla for free.
  30. red_october
    red_october 5 December 2015 12: 04 New
    +4
    How else to call the failure of trilateral negotiations between Russia, Ukraine and the EU on the implementation of the Association Agreement, which took place in Brussels on December 1?
  31. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2015 12: 27 New
    +4
    Cut out on the CENSOR, in my opinion the only clever idea ...
  32. pts-m
    pts-m 5 December 2015 12: 54 New
    +5
    two years I DON’T BUY URINOVSKY goods, even when they are cheaper than others. They hawai themselves. And there’s nothing, we live like we live. So who fed whom you still need to figure out.
  33. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 5 December 2015 13: 57 New
    +1
    On December 4, the Ukrainian military fired full ammunition from an automatic grenade launcher (AGS) at school No. 15 in the village of Zaitsevo north of Gorlovka, when the children were in the building.

    This was announced today by the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR during the inspection of the scene.

    “The shelling began at about 9 in the morning. Children were at school, they were evacuated. The enemy only fired a whole ammunition from the ACS, ”the agency’s interlocutor said. He added that the enemy opened fire repeatedly throughout the day, using mortars, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and small arms. Earlier it was reported only about the evening shelling of the school.
  34. 1536
    1536 5 December 2015 16: 55 New
    +2
    With some persistence worthy of better application, they try to instill in us a feeling of loathing, hatred of the people, which, in general, are part of our people, the Russian people. The next stage is a war with those who live along the banks of the Dnieper. To the delight of Biden, Soros, Rice and others like them, because it is they and no one else who will win this war!
    With villains living just on their money, we must fight. To expose them by all means, and not with the blacksmith Vakula, who, even because of love, did not sell his soul to hell, but came to the Russian queen for help. And those who hold power in Ukraine have sold this very soul, if, of course, they had it. The hatred and neglect of many of ours from the fact that they look in Ukraine, as in a mirror. Excuse me, gentlemen!
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 5 December 2015 19: 26 New
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      With some persistence worthy of better application, they try to instill in us a feeling of loathing, hatred of the people, which, in general, are part of our people, the Russian people. The next stage is a war with those who live along the banks of the Dnieper. To the delight of Biden, Soros, Rice and others like them, because it is they and no one else who will win this war!
      With villains living just on their money, we must fight. To expose them by all means, and not with the blacksmith Vakula, who, even because of love, did not sell his soul to hell, but came to the Russian queen for help. And those who hold power in Ukraine have sold this very soul, if, of course, they had it. The hatred and neglect of many of ours from the fact that they look in Ukraine, as in a mirror. Excuse me, gentlemen!

      Да не за что Вам извинятся. Во многом Вы правы. Но я думаю, что черта проведена на Донбассе. Кровь убитых русских детей и женщин вычеркнула этих "вакул" из моей души навсегда.Продали они чёрту души свои и даже не из-за любви а из зависти и жадности своей и от глупости а ещё из хваставства и от тупости.
      Want to consider them brothers. Health For me, these are insignificant creatures and not Russian people.
  35. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 December 2015 03: 03 New
    0
    At the beginning of the week (I already wrote a little), my friend came from Ukraine. I went for the first time in 3 years, my relatives are old, I don’t have enough money. I stayed there for 3 weeks, in a small town where everyone spoke Russian before. She helped relatives there improve life: called and paid for the masters. the apartment is dilapidated. A lot has deteriorated.
    Вернулась она в состоянии шока и какого-то замедленного действия.Очень странное,не типичное состояние.Кое что рассказывала,штрихи жизни.Главное--вчера:все жители действительно убеждены,что где-то идёт война с Россией.У многих родственники уже год воюют в АТО."БОЛЬШЕ-ТО НЕГДЕ РАБОТАТЬ."!!!!!!!! И как буд-то никто не знает,что это за работа.Многие гордятся такой родней.К Донбасс огромная злоба.Там в домах,построеных немцами живут беженцы с Донбасса.Коренные жители рассказывают про них всякие ужасы,т.е. демонизируются эти беженцы.