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A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"

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A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"



A funny joke about two Ukrainian patriots who scold Putin for opposing the association of Ukraine with the EU is haunting the Internet. After all, the Russian leader knew that in Kiev they would surely make mischief. And now, they say, due to Putin’s fault in Ukraine, they must suffer from European integration. The Kiev authorities managed to make byl not only Kafka, but also jokes. How else can we name the failure of the trilateral negotiations between Russia, Ukraine and the EU on the implementation of the Association Agreement, which took place on December 1 in Brussels?

Although the parties agreed to negotiate further, these negotiations were apparently the last before the economic part of the Association Agreement between Ukraine and the EU entered into force on 1 in January 2016, although Kiev still hopes for one round. That is, the embargo on the supply of Ukrainian products declared by Russia and depriving Ukraine of preferences in accordance with the Treaty on the Free Trade Zone in the CIS from October 18 and 2011 from January will become a reality. And we will have to agree in completely different conditions. Noting the failure of the negotiations, the Minister of Economic Development of the Russian Federation A.Ulyukaev stressed that “everyone should understand that you can study as much as you want, but after January 1 you will have to study in another economic reality”

Recall that the requirements of the Russian side are to take a number of measures to protect the Russian market from the overflow of European goods, including the establishment of quotas for Ukrainian food imports to Russia, the right of Russia to impose duties on non-food imports from Ukraine when a certain threshold of supply is exceeded. Russia also asks to confirm the obligations of Ukraine to protect Russian investments and, within 10 years, to allow the voluntary use of GOSTs by Ukrainian enterprises. The sticking point was the signing of a legally binding document by the European and Ukrainian parties.

But if the EU, agreeing in essence with the proposals put forward by Moscow, is not ready to assume only legal obligations, the reaction of Kiev can only be called hysterical. As stated, for example, P. Poroshenko during a meeting with D. Grybauskaite, “neither Ukraine nor the EU will respond to any blackmail. We are determined to launch a deep and comprehensive free trade zone with the EU since 1 in January 2016. ” In turn, A.Yatsenyuk, announcing that Ukraine will not delay the introduction of European standards envisaged by the Association Agreement, broke into a tirade that “the goal of Russia is not to provide an opportunity for the Ukrainian economy to develop, not to give an opportunity for Ukrainian goods were competitive and easily conquered other markets. That is why technical standards and phytosanitary standards will be introduced from 1 in January next year. ” And Foreign Minister P. Klimkin lied altogether that Moscow insisted on Ukraine’s accession to Russian sanctions against the EU.

As always, Kiev, in order to continue the anti-Russian hysteria, is ready to sacrifice its own economy, which is already in the bankruptcy stage. According to A.Yatsenyuk, the losses from the introduction of the food embargo by Russia against Ukraine will amount to 600 million. The prime minister’s special pride is that “we have reduced Ukraine’s dependence on the Russian market three times. Three years ago, such dependence was on average 35%, but today our dependence is 12,5%. ” And the truth is, for the bankrupt country 12% there, 12% here is such a trifle in comparison with pleasure to annoy Russia. It doesn’t matter that, as A.Ulyukayev noted, Russia will not even notice this. A. Pavlenko, Minister of Agrarian Policy of Ukraine, doesn’t care about losses, “for the agrarian sector of Ukraine, blocking, imposing sanctions from Russia’s side on 1 in January is the price of a 2% solution. We are ready for the fact that Russia will take tough measures. Our goal is to move to the European Union. ” And nobody promised to feed the people on the road.

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Theoretically, the loss of 600 million dollars really could have been neglected for the sake of a “bright future.” The Kyiv authorities are clearly counting on the fact that citizens will not wonder why the losses are so small, and is trying to file this as another success. In fact, thanks to the efforts of European integrators from the Pechersk hills, Ukraine has really nothing to lose in trade with Russia, except for the last truck with chicken carcasses.

According to P. Poroshenko himself, “since 2013, in fact, the embargo and sanctions against Ukraine have been in effect, and it is precisely from these sanctions that the trade turnover between Ukraine and Russia has decreased fourfold.” If you do not consider attempts to blame from a sick head on a healthy one, P. Poroshenko’s statement corresponds to the truth. What could be destroyed is already destroyed. It is enough to recall the ban on military-technical cooperation with the Russian Federation adopted by the Ukrainian government, the introduction of economic sanctions against Russia in August 2015, the closure of air links between the two countries, the blockade of the Crimea and other hostile measures of Kiev aimed at disrupting economic cooperation.

As a result, in the first nine months of 2015, exports of goods from Ukraine to Russia declined almost 2,3 times, by 4,53 billion dollars, and imports by more than 1,9 times, to 5,47 billion dollars.

Food and agricultural trade between Russia and Ukraine over 10 months 2015 of the year fell 2,2 times compared to the same period last year, reaching 678,4 million dollars. At the same time, exports of agricultural and food products from Ukraine to Russia fell 10 times. Before that (in 3,6 year), the agricultural commodity turnover between the Russian Federation and Ukraine had already decreased by 2014 times (imports from Ukraine - by 1,8 times, exports to Ukraine - by 2%). Ukraine has completely stopped deliveries of dairy products, eggs, poultry meat, cereals and confectionery products, tobacco products to the Russian market.

But the worst thing is not even that. According to the State Statistics Service of Ukraine, in 2013, the volume of its trade with the countries of the Customs Union (CU) and the EU countries was about the same. Thus, in January-September 2013, the share of vehicles in the total volume of exports from Ukraine amounted to 31,7%, and imports to 35,4%. And if now A. Yatsenyuk voices the figure of 12%, this means that almost 20% of Ukraine’s foreign trade with Russia is already irretrievably lost.

In addition, according to A. Popov (Kreston GCG Development Director AK), “until the spring-summer of 2014, Ukraine exported much more value-added products to the CU countries than to the EU. Thus, in 2013, more than 50% of the total export to the CU consisted of approximately equal shares of such groups of goods as ferrous metals and products from them; boilers, cars, railway locomotives, nuclear reactors; food industry and agriculture. At the same time, half of the total exports to the EU consisted of products from the agro-industrial sector and food industry, where 2 / 3 accounted for grains, as well as iron ore and, to a much lesser extent, ferrous metals. ” Losing the Russian market, the Kiev authorities are killing their own industry.

It is not excluded that the embargo against Ukrainian agricultural products, which Russia introduces solely through the fault of Ukraine, which joined the Western sanctions, may later be extended to industrial goods. In this case, the Ukrainian metallurgy, mechanical engineering, chemical industry, etc. will be hit. Since the Russian Federation is for them the main market, and these sectors will not be able to occupy similar niches in the EU, they will have to reduce production by 30-70%. But even without additional restrictive measures on the part of Russia, merely depriving Ukrainian high-tech products of preferences of the CIS free trade zone will cause a tangible blow to Ukrainian industry, which is already breathing its last.

At the same time, A. Yatsenyuk did not find anything better than to introduce a law to the parliament on the introduction of mirror sanctions against Russia. According to him, “the Ukrainian government will respond with mirror sanctions to every Russian decision.” Thus, those pitiful remnants of cooperation that could still be preserved after two years of “management” of the current Kiev authorities will be guaranteed.

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As was to be expected, by cutting off cooperation with Russia, Ukraine did not win the European market. Despite the fact that the FTA with the EU is currently working unilaterally, i.e. Europe eliminated duties for Ukrainian goods, trade with the EU falls. For 8 months 2015. Ukrainian exports to Europe decreased by 32,5% and amounted to 8,155 billion dollars, imports fell by 26,9%. In digital terms, Ukraine did not get enough billions of dollars in trade with the EU 4,03

From January 1, Ukraine is also obliged to cancel duties for European goods. According to the assessment of the former Minister of Economy of Ukraine V.Suslov, due to the cancellation of duties on European goods, Ukraine will lose several hundred million euros in revenues, will receive more competitive products from Europe and thus lose the domestic market for national producers. If we add to this the 160 billion euros, which will be required for the transition to European standards and technical conditions in the event that the Association Agreement with the EU enters into force, the “bright European future” appears in all its glory.

In contrast to the Kiev “Euroormantics”, Europe itself quite soberly assesses the prospects of the Ukrainian economy after the start of the full-fledged work of the association. According to the head of the trade and economic department of the EU representative office in Ukraine, N. Berdzh, Ukraine will be able to experience positive results from the launch of the free trade zone with the European Union only through 5-10 years after its launch.

At the same time, Europe made it clear that it would no longer intend to finance "the introduction of Kiev to the civilized world" and a trade war with Russia. As the European Commissioner for European Neighborhood Policy Khan stated, in particular, “we, of course, were and are against any actions that impede trade. But we have already provided a lot of money for Ukrainian business to prepare for new export opportunities and new market conditions. We will speak frankly - since we agreed on the FTA, it was not a secret that after its introduction the Russian Federation can act in response, whether we like it or not. And there was plenty of time to prepare for this. " In turn, the European Commissioner for Trade Malmstrom in response to Poroshenko’s request to expand access of Ukrainian products to the EU market reported that the EU authorities are not even considering increasing the quotas for the supply of products from Ukraine to the European market. As they say, the problems of the Sheriff Indians do not care.

Rather, on the contrary, Europe is interested in improving relations with Russia and is tired of Ukrainian hysteria. German Foreign Minister Steinmeier addressed the European Commissioner for Trade Malmström with a letter inviting the EU and the Russian Federation to sign a joint declaration containing proposals on investments in the Russian economy and on energy issues. According to Berlin, this will help create a more integrated economic space between the Pacific and Atlantic oceans.

Ukraine is expected to have hundreds of billions of financial losses, further destruction of industrial potential, rising unemployment, circumcision of social programs and financial collapse. With this approach, it will only be possible to integrate into Europe with a carcass or stuffed animal. No wonder that Poroshenko at a meeting with Grybauskaite on December 2 in Lithuania announced that Ukrainians wanted to go to Europe, and not decent salaries and pensions.
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  1. From Samara
    From Samara 5 December 2015 06: 16
    35
    I look at Ukraine and go nuts! Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!
    1. izya top
      izya top 5 December 2015 06: 37
      15
      Quote: From Samara
      Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!

      geniuses, crap ... what
      puppy still died request
      1. fraer
        fraer 5 December 2015 07: 12
        +5

        ....................
        1. EFA
          EFA 5 December 2015 12: 47
          +1
          It seems that the right sector shot this video ...
          There is probably no one else, about the fascists in words, criticism of the government and the president, the accusation of Russia, and the line below with the letters "PTN PNKh".
          1. fraer
            fraer 5 December 2015 16: 10
            +3
            Quote: EFA
            It seems that the right sector shot this video ...
            There is probably no one else, about the fascists in words, criticism of the government and the president, the accusation of Russia, and the line below with the letters "PTN PNKh".

            Well, who would doubt where the legs grow from this video.
            It's a shame, they did the thing, but excommunicated from the feeder.
            The rest.
            If Tsilya, all over Deribasovskaya were yelling that Putin is our president, I would think that this is the end of the world. lol
      2. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 December 2015 08: 05
        31
        NDA ... Here is the same ... smile
    2. Cheshire
      Cheshire 5 December 2015 07: 57
      10
      I look at Ukraine and go nuts! Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!

      They have a cunning plan, like "through hardships to the stars." laughing
      Petya and Senya - they work for Russia, although they shout the opposite. And in fact, it will come out that after some (very short by the standards of history) time, Kakland will once again change priorities. wink
      You DO NOT ENVY the population. People, simple hard workers and their families are really sorry, but Russophobia also has to be paid.
      1. Sid.74
        Sid.74 5 December 2015 08: 09
        +5
        Quote: Cheshire
        They have a cunning plan

        Poroshenko's "tricky" plan .... yeah ... we've heard, we know ... Poroshenko's interview to the Germans ... everyone can watch. yes

        25 minutes of continuous peremog and sudden zrad from the EU. fellowSeparated is the fact that the German told him three times in direct speech that neither the EU nor NATO would expect such peremohnik. Poroshenko does not agree with the German ... well, I didn’t declare the Kremlin’s agent to be German. laughing
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 5 December 2015 09: 24
        +8
        Quote: Cheshire
        They have a cunning plan, like "through hardships to the stars."

        Well, yes ... such "thorns" that you can't get through ... For 24 years Ukraine was destroyed, which left the Ukrainian SSR as one of the ten most powerful economies in the world, and now has no economy at all. Which had the third in the world after the USA and Russia and the first in Europe (not counting the Russian) army. You can paraphrase the well-known joke - no matter what he takes Russian, he gets a machine gun, then about the West we can say - whatever the West takes, it turns out Iraq ...
        1. captain
          captain 5 December 2015 11: 19
          +9
          Dear forum users! I personally do not care deeply about the industry and economy of Ukraine. I am very much interested in our industry and our agriculture. Well, the Ukrainians do not want to trade with us and God bless them, it makes me neither hot nor cold. I'm much more interested. when we replace everything Ukrainian with our Russian. Please do not write about the unfortunate people of Ukraine, there is such a saying: "... like the people, such are the boyars ...". They chose their own way to prosperity and let them ride on oxen to him.
          1. Cheshire
            Cheshire 5 December 2015 13: 14
            +3
            hi
            Dear Yuri! Ukraine will be Russia, by definition there will be no other. Based on this, we will be raking, including me and you (I hope to live to see this).
      3. Stena
        Stena 5 December 2015 12: 23
        0
        Quote: Cheshire
        Petya and Senya - they work for Russia, although they shout the opposite. And in fact, it will come out that after some (very short by the standards of history) time, Kakland will once again change priorities.
        You DO NOT ENVY the population. People, simple hard workers and their families are really sorry, but Russophobia also has to be paid.

        And why do they need anyone (and especially us) with constantly changing priorities?
        1. Cheshire
          Cheshire 5 December 2015 13: 09
          +2
          Quote: Cheshire
          Petya and Senya - they work for Russia, although they shout the opposite. And in fact, it will come out that after some (very short by the standards of history) time, Kakland will once again change priorities.
          You DO NOT ENVY the population. People, simple hard workers and their families are really sorry, but Russophobia also has to be paid.
          And why do they need anyone (and especially us) with constantly changing priorities?

          It so happened that they live on Russian land. This is not the time now to throw lands, and so the floor of the Union has fled.
    3. ZU-23
      ZU-23 5 December 2015 08: 50
      +2
      In general, he’s not even interested in what is happening in Ukraine anymore, except that there would be peace in the Donbass. It’s time for the mattresses to change the bloody clown, otherwise this idea has already exhausted itself. Or we wait until the people really take the gun, be it even a rake, and really go to the mortal battle to juggle the junta, for the sake of the future of their children.
    4. Pavel Vereshchagin
      Pavel Vereshchagin 5 December 2015 09: 32
      14
      You can’t argue with history.
    5. Angry orc
      Angry orc 5 December 2015 11: 46
      +1
      we ourselves were the same in the 90s
    6. KazaK Bo
      KazaK Bo 5 December 2015 11: 59
      +2
      From Samara SU
      I look at Ukraine and go nuts! ...

      Why go nuts? Everyone understands that the authorities in the Outskirts had only people with one thought - FILL YOUR POCKET! AND FASTER!
      Therefore, I disagree a little with the author ... DILL CANNOT COME TO EUROPE! Half corpses in the form of "carcasses and stuffed animals" - do not go! DREAM WILL BE DRAGGED INTO THE EU! In spite of the Russian Federation!
      And UkROPIA will exist as long as it is on artificial nutrition and forced oxygen supply for life. Such artificial support was Russia's assistance in the form of subsidies and preferences in the form of duty-free delivery of goods. It was gratuitous help. The system of endless loans from the West also carries this form of support for viability. But this is a sweet trap for Dill! (they take money, but they will have to be returned with interest ... but how, what and when to give it back?) !! Having leveled Dill in trade rights like "AS FOR ALL!" ... this channel of support from Russia will be terminated, but NOT IN THE FORM OF EMBARGO (as some brainless journalists often write, which only inflame passions), BUT IN THE FORM OF CANCELLATION OF FREE TRADE PREFERENCES! Inevitably, you will howl with a beluga! After all, where else can you get such a free "good-giving hand"! And without it - one more step into the financial abyss ... And who wants to fall to the bottom of life .. FACT THERE, ON THE TOP IS SO GOOD !!!
      1. onizhe
        onizhe 7 December 2015 18: 43
        0
        It is unlikely that someone will drag ukrov to the EU just to spite us. In its enlargement program, the EU made many miscalculations, putting politics above the economy. They did not think about this in the fat years, when Bulgaria and Romania were annexed. But the skinny years came when they had to pay for previous miscalculations. Now, even if the fat years come back, Europeans will think 10 times before deciding to join at least someone problematic.
    7. blackenergy89
      blackenergy89 5 December 2015 12: 20
      +1
      the Urarains this money we sucked Khrushchev, Brezhnev and the team, the Ukrainians worse than the Jews, by God am
    8. marlin1203
      marlin1203 5 December 2015 14: 25
      +1
      Full speed ahead, Ukraine! laughing Wow, how fortunate we are to observe such an experiment in life! It costs a lot. Ordinary people only feel sorry ...
      1. Vend
        Vend 5 December 2015 19: 40
        +1
        I think not a carcass and not a scarecrow, but a small piece.
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 5 December 2015 06: 17
    +6
    It was not in vain that Poroshenko at a meeting with Grybauskaite on December 2 in Lithuania announced that Ukrainians wanted to Europe, and not decent salaries and pensions.


    The drunken barefoot, in the face of Petsky from Rashen, does not appease. No way out of a drunken courage! From this, the trousers are wrinkled and justified, as well as all their non-fallow! laughing
    1. Voha_krim
      Voha_krim 5 December 2015 07: 38
      +8
      Quote: aszzz888
      The drunken barefoot, in the face of Petsky from Rashen, does not appease. No way out of a drunken courage!
  3. Federal
    Federal 5 December 2015 06: 20
    12
    They have an owner who bears full responsibility for the processes taking place on the dill penticantropy, and these mundane people still do not decide anything in the fate of their "country". More reminiscent of the "Golden Calf" I. Ilf and E. Petrov, when the Zits Chairman of the Pound bore all responsibility for the financial component of the company "Horns and Hooves", and this bunch of bullshit Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk ..... and others like them, are more similar on that Pound.
  4. BLOND
    BLOND 5 December 2015 06: 20
    11
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"

    Ukraine will enter the carcass and cut (chopped) into pieces ...
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 5 December 2015 06: 25
      +9
      Gutted, ready to eat
  5. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 5 December 2015 06: 26
    12
    Quote: From Samara
    Well, it was necessary to try to bring the once most prosperous republic of the USSR to a pen!

    was a good teacher ...
  6. Funnels
    Funnels 5 December 2015 06: 30
    12
    And the joke about the two "patriots" is correct: Russia is to blame for everything!
    The Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk said that the Russians could have organized the demolition of the power transmission towers in the Kherson region. Yatsenyuk said that "Russian sabotage groups", which allegedly are in the region in large numbers, were allegedly involved in this, Ukrainian Pravda reported. good
    Laughed, already fell off the couch.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 5 December 2015 07: 33
      +8
      Quote: Funnels
      Laughed, already fell off the couch.

      When you read about Ukraine, you should not sit or lie on the couch, but sit in a chair. It is advisable to fasten your seat belt.
      1. The comment was deleted.
      2. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 5 December 2015 07: 53
        +7
        Do you mind the chair? And the seat belt is designed to prevent the onset of grave consequences as a result of an accident, but in no way to the reaction of a normal, thinking person to Ukrainian realities, and especially to the "pearls of fine literature" of figures from "country 404".
        For example, the other day on the site posted this statement by Turchinov (Secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine - it’s ridiculous, because it’s impossible to protect yourself and defend yourself in principle!), So this is the figure regarding the actions of the Russian air forces in Syria stated:
        "What is happening in the Middle East, what is happening in Syria, namely the active use and development of the combat use of aviation by the Russian Federation, is very worrisome to us. We are studying both the strategy and tactics of the Russian military in delivering air strikes," - he said.
        “And we understand that in the event of a new escalation of the conflict in the east of our country or on any part of the Russian-Ukrainian border, it can use aviation. And we must be ready for this. And, of course, when the aggression comes from the air, we will defend ourselves, destroying the aggressor in the air, "Turchinov promised.
        "Now they are practicing the use of military aviation, the use of missiles, in particular, cruise missiles. They are also firing missiles from the air, from ships, including even from a submarine, only to practice their use, to work out an accurate hit on targets."

        And now attention, I ask you to hold on to the chair more firmly, according to Turchinov, the goal of the actions of the air forces in Syria is:
        “Destroy Ukraine as an independent democratic state”
        - That's right! No more, no less! I sometimes have a question - what kind of GMOs do they add to the national product in order to get such a parish and catch such glitches that any addict with experience will be jealous.
        And Europe, present-day Ukraine, is neither needed as a carcass, nor as a scarecrow. They and their fellow citizens, independent of the brain, have enough conscience and honor to increase their number at the expense of the Independence Square.
        I have the honor.
      3. Funnels
        Funnels 5 December 2015 08: 41
        +3
        Sofa 2x2, and then there is not enough space.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 5 December 2015 06: 33
    +3
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"

    If it ever comes in, then the carcass cut out is not clear what. In the meantime, stands a scarecrow on the border with Russia. That's just this stuffed animal in Russia are not afraid, but in Europe they began to despise.
    1. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 5 December 2015 07: 33
      +3
      Spoiled carcasses and stuffed moths are to be disposed of on site. That is, in the cattle cemetery, which in fact is Ukraine.
  8. bad
    bad 5 December 2015 06: 36
    +1
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"
    .. Will come "-doggy .. laughing
    Hundreds of billions of financial losses await Ukraine
    how many billions have been prophesied to the famineers? ..
    1. novobranets
      novobranets 5 December 2015 07: 24
      10
      Quote: bad
      .. Will come "-doggy ..

  9. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 5 December 2015 06: 38
    +6
    Let Ukraine join anywhere, even into the EU, even into the closet, even into pioneers! It will be a beautiful and illustrative lesson for all those present nearby, how to completely overhaul completely voluntarily, and with masochistic subtleties (with the only sight that maybe beyond the Urals will burst from these tricks).
  10. Igor39
    Igor39 5 December 2015 06: 39
    10
    I watched a recent interview by Petkino Deutsche Welle with Tim Sebastian, he looked like an idiot. It's hard to say what will happen from this experiment on European integration, industrial products in Europe are good, and agricultural products can certainly enter the market, but only if you look at Bulgaria but the industry will surely be killed.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 5 December 2015 07: 29
      +1
      Quote: Igor39
      I watched a recent interview with Petkino Deutsche Welle with Tim Sebastian, he looked like an idiot.

      So it is necessary to prepare for any interview, and soberly. hi
  11. Masya masya
    Masya masya 5 December 2015 06: 42
    +5
    "for a bankrupt country, 12% there, 12% here is such a trifle"
  12. Strezhevchanin
    Strezhevchanin 5 December 2015 06: 43
    21
    We will all earn mazol in the language of telling our neighbors who they are for Europe, a useless thing. Ukraine does not want to learn from anyone's mistakes, and as a result, one result.
  13. Jarilo
    Jarilo 5 December 2015 06: 50
    +3
    If the patient does not want to admit his illness and refuses treatment, which most likely indicates that he is not sane, then most likely he will die. The natural reaction is that everyone is trying to isolate themselves from him. They are not allowed into Europe; Russia is blocking everything.
    1. Masya masya
      Masya masya 5 December 2015 07: 08
      +3
      He will not die ... he will still get everyone, with his insanity ...
    2. onizhe
      onizhe 7 December 2015 19: 16
      0
      I do not think that the whole point is that Russia is blocking something. According to the German journalist, this is so. But is it really so? Take ukrov to NATO? It’s a great idea, but only recently one old NATO member put this organization on the brink of war with a nuclear superpower. What can you expect from these? I think the degree of their adequacy in Europe and the states is assessed quite soberly. Accept in the EU? About 10 years ago, Europeans would have done it without hesitation, but the crisis taught them how to count money. Unbridled expansion without taking into account economic feasibility is already putting the EU on the brink of collapse. The upcoming referendum in Britain is one of the first swallows. And this is in a prosperous country that simply does not want to contain parasites. But what will happen in these most deceived freeloaders if leaders are strengthened who can explain to the people how exactly they were fooled?
  14. Basarev
    Basarev 5 December 2015 07: 02
    +2
    The secret is that with all these measures, the Klamin industry is not being killed - it is just that the country is returned to its natural state.
  15. EvgNik
    EvgNik 5 December 2015 07: 08
    10
    I bought a Ukrainian gas stove - two years later it fell apart (or rather earlier, but threw it out after 2). I bought Belarusian - I don’t know grief. I bought Ukrainian wallpaper - tormented, glued the edges all winter. Now only Belarusian or Russian. So the goods from the country which is not (404) - we do not use anymore.
    1. Anatole Klim
      Anatole Klim 5 December 2015 07: 49
      +6
      Quote: EvgNik
      So the goods from the country which is not (404) - we do not use anymore.

      I have elderly parents who practically do not leave their homes, so for them I drag products from the store. In the past, I often met Ukrainian cheeses, confectionery, household chemicals, and canned goods in our stores. Now there are simply no Ukrainian goods, all of our Russian products are for every taste and budget. And a niece from Ukraine came to work with a friend, worked at a food factory, which worked for three days, stood for three, received a salary of 3000 rubles, doesn’t want to go back, now they’re thinking how to register her and get a job here. Here is such a breakthrough.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 5 December 2015 13: 19
        +1
        Now they’re thinking how to register and get a job here,
        But isn’t it jumping? Otherwise, miners from the republics recently came to us in the Rostov region, so they say that it’s Russia’s fault, they would have agreed with the Bandera. And the miners don’t have anything in Ukraine now, they don’t see.
        1. Anatole Klim
          Anatole Klim 5 December 2015 17: 22
          0
          Quote: kotvov
          But is she not jumping?

          To answer your question, I specially called a friend. I convey the answer close to the original: I rode and very high, I believed that as soon as Ukraine entered Europe, everything would be all right and salaries and pensions would be like in Europe, they had been convinced for years, now she began scratching her head and thinking, "who blame and what to do ", while the question - Putin is to blame for everything, somehow it appears less and less, begins to say that we were deceived ... I think that we need to fight for every lost sheep, we will not go anywhere from each other , not only neighbors, but also our relatives there, we have to fight, not all is lost, but we need our own people there.
    2. tanit
      tanit 5 December 2015 07: 54
      +2
      I bought my mother and a gas stove and gas column. Belarus - no complaints so far (5 years).
      What does this mean?
      And about nothing.
      Sincerely.
  16. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 December 2015 08: 01
    12
    But there are almost 40 million people who need to survive. Now in correspondence with people from Dill. They ask to work and generally move. I am writing to them - in Moscow it is difficult and expensive, look for simpler options - but no. We want the best. And what can we do, I ask? And we also have to be able to something? With outrage! Well, what can I say!
    1. onizhe
      onizhe 7 December 2015 19: 59
      0
      That's just the point, that with indignation. During the years of Soviet power, Ukrainians for some reason decided that they were somehow better than the Russians. Actually, they were not the only ones who decided so, everyone believed that they were feeding the whole of Russia. Georgians talked about it, Kazakhs, even sprats, whose eponymous product could not be found on store shelves. Hence the dismissive talk about Russian quilted jackets. Alas, the new community of people, the "Soviet people", was built on the subordination of Russians to anyone for their loyalty. Now we are disentangling the results, in many respects, of that policy, and I am not sure that it was ill-considered.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 December 2015 08: 03
    +2
    Really they can not look at Moldova or Bulgaria and everything becomes clear! Gray poor areas where people make ends meet.
  18. sl22277
    sl22277 5 December 2015 08: 04
    +2
    Europe does not want to see hordes of Ukrainians who rush to conquer their place under the warm sun of the EU. And given the incredible criminalization of Ukraine, this will not be a peaceful process ...
    1. Neophyte
      Neophyte 5 December 2015 08: 21
      +4
      It would be interesting to observe how 20-30 million Ukrainian farm laborers
      would bring chaos to Europe?
  19. Nymp
    Nymp 5 December 2015 08: 21
    +6
    Even in the construction of the northern stream bypassing Ukraine, VVP offered her to participate, to invest a hryvnia, so to speak, so that later to get 10. In ukroSMI growled that mockals are being bullied. Germany has invested and is now cutting the loot. Dill, even on a project "harmful" for itself, refused the benefit. And there are a lot of such examples. Any cooperation with Russia would bring them a pretty penny. God, in Soviet times, such leaders were put up against the wall.
  20. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 5 December 2015 08: 26
    0
    Rotten pork! wassat
  21. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 5 December 2015 08: 37
    12
    What can I say? - I feel sorry for Europe. Got hemorrhoids.
    1. PValery53
      PValery53 5 December 2015 11: 20
      0
      To the inventor of an acceptable currency of a neighboring non-state .. "+".
  22. Egoza
    Egoza 5 December 2015 08: 48
    +4
    What clung to Crimea? There, the president clearly said ...
    “Ukraine is ready to resume electricity supplies to the Crimea, and if Putin hadn’t arrived there on Wednesday, they would have already done that.”
    And in general there is a visa-free regime in 2016 .... we have already prepared ... After all, if they go to Europe, they will make purchases. They will return back - tax will have to be paid on the imported "import". The budget will be filled! wassat
    1. Funnels
      Funnels 5 December 2015 09: 03
      +4
      Again Putin ruined everything tongue
  23. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 5 December 2015 09: 07
    +7
    A carcass or stuffed animal? How Ukraine "will come to Europe"
  24. Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 5 December 2015 09: 12
    0
    Quote: Nyrobsky
    What can I say? - I feel sorry for Europe. Got hemorrhoids.

    the bucket can be at the bottom, only to crap in water as it’s not comme il faut ... wassat
  25. ilyinval61
    ilyinval61 5 December 2015 09: 24
    +1
    Russia's goal is not to give the opportunity for the Ukrainian economy to develop, not to give the opportunity for Ukrainian goods to be competitive and easily conquer other markets

    Vague doubts plagued. does he really believe "what sho say"? Or is it a constantly broadcast parody of Goebbels' style - the more the lie and the more often it is repeated, the more will ***** fellow citizens believe in it?
  26. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 5 December 2015 09: 26
    +2
    Sign a joint declaration containing proposals on investments in the Russian economy and on energy issues.

    Ofigeva! Invest Russian money in US government bonds at a maximum of 0.5%, to do this, freeze pensions and at the same time take loot for investment at 5-10%. Russians, when do you nationalize the National Bank? And then he has a branch of the Fed.
  27. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 5 December 2015 10: 18
    +1
    Themselves will ditch according to the formula "To evil the northern neighbor." Now I have no regrets, all adults and this is their choice ........
  28. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 5 December 2015 10: 18
    0
    In this situation, hockles will scatter around the world, and blacks will be brought to Ukraine
    and asians.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 5 December 2015 11: 01
      +1
      Quote: v.yegorov
      and blacks will be brought to Ukraine
      and asians.

      Yeah, who will start to eat fat and hapak dance in trousers! With forelocks it will be more difficult, blacks have curly hair like sheep’s! bully
  29. Peterhof 73
    Peterhof 73 5 December 2015 10: 47
    +7
    I watched the film "Evenings on a Farm ....." Somehow earlier, the simple thought did not occur to me that the blacksmith Vakula personifies all the filthiness of the traitorous kaklyat essence. Judge for yourself:
    He asked to go with the Zaporozhye Cossacks to the queen. Those fuckers agreed to take him, they say "sleeps well." So what? When they thumped at the feet of Tsarina Catherine in order to solve their land-political issue, the entot Vakula, got out ahead and, in a purely Koklyat way, decided his "selfish man" - begged the Empress "chorovichka" for his kohanoy. "Kohal", but he did not give chorovichek). After shitting on the Cossacks, he washed off astride the devil (which is symbolic because Potemkin burned the Zaporizhzhya Sich). By the way, then he betrayed (thanked) and the devil. He drove him on his hump all the way, and in gratitude he got a kick under a dupa from the Slobozhanian Vakula (which is also symbolic). By the way, nowhere in the film is it clear that the entot "blacksmith" Vakula "cracked" (forged something or something like that there) ... All the way he booted, kohal, cheated, betrayed. His fellow villagers are also no better. Tilka and dreamed of "yak dumplings themselves will jump into their mouths." This is how I discovered the Gogol Outskirts. 200 years have passed and ..........
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 5 December 2015 13: 03
      +3
      Quote: Petergofsky73
      200 years have passed and ..........

      ....... Now, theirs is Vakula asking the little cherry trees not from the Russian tsarina but from the west, despite the fact that Vakula promises to pay with the body of a kohan. It was only the Russian tsarina who could fulfill the request of xoxla for free.
  30. red_october
    red_october 5 December 2015 12: 04
    +4
    How else to call the failure of trilateral negotiations between Russia, Ukraine and the EU on the implementation of the Association Agreement, which took place in Brussels on December 1?
  31. Altona
    Altona 5 December 2015 12: 27
    +4
    Cut out on the CENSOR, in my opinion the only clever idea ...
  32. pts-m
    pts-m 5 December 2015 12: 54
    +5
    two years I DON’T BUY URINOVSKY goods, even when they are cheaper than others. They hawai themselves. And there’s nothing, we live like we live. So who fed whom you still need to figure out.
  33. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 5 December 2015 13: 57
    +1
    On December 4, the Ukrainian military fired full ammunition from an automatic grenade launcher (AGS) at school No. 15 in the village of Zaitsevo north of Gorlovka, when the children were in the building.

    This was announced today by the representative of the Ministry of Defense of the DPR during the inspection of the scene.

    “The shelling began at about 9 in the morning. Children were at school, they were evacuated. The enemy only fired a whole ammunition from the ACS, ”the agency’s interlocutor said. He added that the enemy opened fire repeatedly throughout the day, using mortars, tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and small arms. Earlier it was reported only about the evening shelling of the school.
  34. 1536
    1536 5 December 2015 16: 55
    +2
    With some persistence worthy of better application, they try to instill in us a feeling of loathing, hatred of the people, which, in general, are part of our people, the Russian people. The next stage is a war with those who live along the banks of the Dnieper. To the delight of Biden, Soros, Rice and others like them, because it is they and no one else who will win this war!
    With villains living just on their money, we must fight. To expose them by all means, and not with the blacksmith Vakula, who, even because of love, did not sell his soul to hell, but came to the Russian queen for help. And those who hold power in Ukraine have sold this very soul, if, of course, they had it. The hatred and neglect of many of ours from the fact that they look in Ukraine, as in a mirror. Excuse me, gentlemen!
    1. Peterhof 73
      Peterhof 73 5 December 2015 19: 26
      +1
      Quote: 1536
      With some persistence worthy of better application, they try to instill in us a feeling of loathing, hatred of the people, which, in general, are part of our people, the Russian people. The next stage is a war with those who live along the banks of the Dnieper. To the delight of Biden, Soros, Rice and others like them, because it is they and no one else who will win this war!
      With villains living just on their money, we must fight. To expose them by all means, and not with the blacksmith Vakula, who, even because of love, did not sell his soul to hell, but came to the Russian queen for help. And those who hold power in Ukraine have sold this very soul, if, of course, they had it. The hatred and neglect of many of ours from the fact that they look in Ukraine, as in a mirror. Excuse me, gentlemen!

      Yes, there is nothing to apologize for. In many ways, you are right. But I think the line is drawn in the Donbass. The blood of murdered Russian children and women has erased these "vacules" from my soul forever. They sold their souls to the devil, and not even out of love, but out of envy and greed, and out of stupidity, and also out of boasting and stupidity.
      Want to consider them brothers. Health For me, these are insignificant creatures and not Russian people.
  35. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 6 December 2015 03: 03
    0
    At the beginning of the week (I already wrote a little), my friend came from Ukraine. I went for the first time in 3 years, my relatives are old, I don’t have enough money. I stayed there for 3 weeks, in a small town where everyone spoke Russian before. She helped relatives there improve life: called and paid for the masters. the apartment is dilapidated. A lot has deteriorated.
    She returned in a state of shock and some kind of delayed action. A very strange, not typical state. Something she told, the touches of life. The main thing is yesterday: all residents are really convinced that somewhere there is a war with Russia. Many have relatives for a year. are fighting in the ATO. "THERE IS NO LONGER WORK." !!!!!!!! And as if no one knows what kind of work it is. Many are proud of such relatives. There is great anger toward Donbass. There, refugees from Donbass live in houses built by the Germans. Indigenous people tell all sorts of horrors about them, that is. these refugees are demonized.