What are the truckers protesting silent

In the beginning, I chose not to touch this topic, considering that this action would come to naught. However, given the pressure situation around this issue, I decided to sort out the situation a bit. To begin, ask you a small question. Have you ever seen a poor trucker? For example, I have not seen one. From the experience of communicating with them, I know that the salary of those who work for a car company exceeds fifty thousand rubles a month, and for those who have their own car, the salary goes far beyond a hundred. Why am I writing this? Not in order to get into someone else's pocket, but in order for not knowledgeable people to give a complete picture of the situation.

Go ahead, or rather we go. Many motorists who drive on federal highways have noticed that the truck is getting bigger every year, and the roads in general are getting worse. Yes, and statistics show an increase in the number of trucks every year. So it is a profitable and profitable business. As a result, the state decided to introduce the Plato system, against which truckers are now on strike. What is the system "Plato"? It is a system designed to charge a fee for compensation for damage caused to federal public roads by vehicles with a maximum mass exceeding 12 tons.

And a little more information about it - the Platon system provides for the collection, storage, processing and transmission of automatic data on the movement of the vehicle, which has an allowed maximum weight in excess of 12 tons. What really happens after the introduction of this system? The profit of truckers, which they put in their pockets, will be slightly reduced, and the proceeds will go to repair roads that the same truck drivers have broken. The possibility of so-called shabashek will also disappear. Any customer can find out online where his cargo is and what the delivery driver is doing. Suddenly he decides to dodge the route in order to podshabashiv transportation of some "left" cargo. This second part scares so many truckers, because the money they receive with this makes up a serious share of their earnings.

And what do the Truckers and the Western grant eaters who actively support them say to us? Because of the introduction of the Plato system, the products in our stores will rise in price. Unlikely. All major carriers are likely to leave prices at the same level so as not to lose turnover, and private traders who will raise prices will soon return it to their original place due to competition. For example, due to the rise in gasoline prices, the prices for large freight traffic have not changed much.

The government wants to rob truckers to fill the pockets of the oligarchs. What does the oligarchs have to do with it, it is generally unclear if the money will replenish the treasury and go to repair roads. Or do you mean the fact that truckers will not be able to "sabbat" at the expense of large customers? Sorry, good gentlemen. By the way, how do you think how alcohol without excise stamps, say, from North Ossetia or Dagestan gets to other regions of Russia? What if not on wagons to transport it in large volumes? Moreover, you can get a surcharge for contraband. Recently in the news cases of fatal poisoning with burned alcohol have repeatedly flashed.

These are the main myths that appeal to all supporters of the abolition of the law. So this whole rebellion looks like a bloated grantoid and supporters of Maidan in Russia. And some ignorant citizens fell for beautiful slogans, as was already the case in 1917. Well, the truckers themselves, of course, do not want to live worse and repair the roads, which in most cases they destroy.

Comments

[Maksim]

No one, not even truckers, is opposed if the money goes on the road, but how to do it? but this is a completely different story!

[good7]

Maybe not against it, but how many times saw truck drivers agree with the cops and go around the scales! And they break the roads to zero, especially the Chinese 40t!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: good7

but how many times saw truck drivers agree with the cops and go around the scales!

No one will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage.

[ivan48857]

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two rees and, accordingly, the commerce will pay for the delivery of two trucks, not one. Pay for two, the cost of the goods will grow-good luck.

[andj61]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two rees and, accordingly, the commerce will pay for the delivery of two trucks, not one. Pay for two, the cost of the goods will grow-good luck.

If the overload is doubled, then the commerce pays not one price, but one and a half, or, more precisely, 1,6-1,7 prices. In this case, the grandmothers for fines-gifts to transporters are divided in half between the carrier and the commercial. This is beneficial to both the carrier and the customer.

[pilot8878]

I have noticed many times that the main rut is formed not on the "long-range" right lane, but on very light 2-3-4 lanes, where "big" ones simply do not exist. Simple examples: Moscow and St. Petersburg Ring Road.
There are certain OBJECTIVE reasons for the appearance of such a factor as overload:
1. The increase in freight traffic.
2. The desire to reduce the cost of ton-kilometer traffic.
3. The first two points led to the emergence of new, more powerful, cars and trailers.
4. Outdated construction of many roads. Very aggravated by technology violations and theft during repairs. This also includes the complete irresponsibility of the organizers and performers. No one has ever seen this: in the summer, the road is repaired, in the fall it is put into operation, and in the spring all 3 centimeters of asphalt disappear with snow, and everything starts anew. And we continue to pay ...
Further,

Have you ever seen a poor trucker?

I saw, and not one. Who works how he gets. Maybe it makes sense to work yourself, and not count other people's earnings?

statistics confirm the increase in the number of trucks every year.

At the same time, the author "tactfully" is silent about the growth in the number of passenger transport. According to the agency "Autostat", in 2014, 88 THOUSAND new trucks were sold in the Russian Federation. During the same period, according to the AEB Automobile Manufacturers Committee, 2 new cars were sold. Ratio...

The profit of truckers, which they put in their pocket, will slightly decrease, and the proceeds will go to repair the roads that these truckers broke.

The profit of a small private owner with a couple of not the newest cars will be reduced to near-zero values. The profits of large carriers will NOT decrease, since at first they will wait until small entrepreneurs completely disappear from the market, and then they will include the lost profit in the cost of transportation and we will again pay for the annual poor "repair" of roads.

the possibility of the so-called covens will disappear. Any customer can find out online where his cargo is and what the driver is doing,

Perhaps it will be a revelation for the author that these possibilities existed LONG before the introduction of "Plato". Almost all vehicle owners installed various GPS-Glonass trackers to reduce the risks of car theft and control the driver (for example, track the track and the amount of diesel fuel in the tank). So this aspect is not at all

scares so many truckers because the money they

do not get with this, do not constitute a significant share of earnings.

All major carriers are likely to leave prices at the same level so as not to lose turnover,

The turnover is not going anywhere. When you poke around in different organizations you will get the answer everywhere: "Sorry, all the machines are busy now." At the same time, the cargo will not go anywhere, it must be transported, so you will inevitably agree to the higher price offered to you.
So the author, perhaps, should more deeply and carefully examine the topic of the article.

[nikola]

I absolutely agree with you, I would like to note that we all see how the transport tax is used by our authorities and therefore the fate of the next levy is already clear to everyone, the money will either be stolen or simply buried in the ground, and there will never be any roads.

[Serg koma]

FOR REFERENCE.

State in the person of Rosavtodor concluded an agreement with the private company "RT-Invest Transport Systems" on creating appropriate infrastructure.
Moreover, the meaning of the concession is that RTITS builds the infrastructure at its own expense, uses it for 13 years (an agreement has been concluded for such a period), after which it is transferred to the state. The company transfers the collected money to the budget (it is expected that over 13 years the project will raise 1 trillion rubles - $ 14,9 billion at the current rate), and the budget will pay her a fee of 10,6 billion rubles annually. 46% of this amount is subject to annual indexation, that is, an increase in inflation.
The project operator, RTITS, is 50% controlled by Igor Rotenberg - the son of billionaire Arkady Rotenberg

Another "FEEDER" HAS BEEN CREATED ... "Oboronservice" HAS NOT LEARNED ANYTHING.

[fif21]

Quote: Serg Koma

The state, represented by Rosavtodor, has entered into an agreement with the private company RT-Invest Transport Systems to create the appropriate infrastructure.

Now, if the state had concluded an agreement with a private company on the construction of modern roads and levying tolls on these roads in favor of a private company, I think that there would have been no questions.

[Kirgoudou]

Those. On a condition of a co-corruption component, the STATE gives loans (read our tax money with you) The private owner develops them, (read, partially steals, raising prices for materials, work and money for officials), and then returns loans in the long-term, using the income received for payment on these roads ...
I correctly understood the essence of the issue?
And at the same time, the state also receives a small share for ensuring that mass protests are not allowed.
And why, in fact, should not arise and not be questions?
They are now and will be! Only they are ignored, or washed away, or all information on such transactions is classified.
In whose favor? Guess three times ...

[Azazel]

I completely agree with you ... I would like to add, for those who advocate: "that the money will go to the construction and repair of roads" .... gentlemen, where does the money go from the transport tax ??? and with excise taxes on gasoline ??? by the way, when these excise taxes were introduced, they promised to remove the transport tax ...
the author not only reaches into the pocket of the drivers, but also juggles ... why didn’t he indicate how much the drivers spend on maintenance and repair ??? he is confused by the wealth (wealth of Carl !!) truckers! so this is from which side to look ... if from the position of poor pensioners, then - rich ... and if from the position of oligarchs, then the poor ...
"have you seen the poor trucker?" - asks the author .... but he did not try to ask a question differently: "have you seen the beggar Rotenberg ???"

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Azazel

I agree with you completely ..

and I agree - a custom article from the category of those in which Serdyukov and Vasilyev were bleached .. counter propaganda in the Kremlin .. dumb in the forehead, but I look at many acts ..

[Russian Patriot]

The reserve of clean water, even if they were shy! Of course, I understand that now is a dangerous time and the West will try to arrange a maidan in our country, well, so you take care of your people so that they have no reason to take to the streets. We are already in a crisis, the people have no money, people are reducing them in packs, money products began to cost not sour ones. And we endure, understanding the external political situation. But so take and run this Plato, so that the products are still more expensive! It is necessary to try to reduce the prices of products, raise the agricultural sector, and not to stuff wallets for Rotenbergs. Let them invest in our economy and production, and not complete the whole business that brings money and do not sit on the cash flows between the state and the people.

[dimais1978]

For some reason, the author dragged here a maidan and smuggled an incomprehensible, obviously hastily created custom article from an avtodor.

[Kirill]

I completely agree with you. It will be like with networks. Shops closed and prices in networks increased. The quality has deteriorated.

[Vasily Atrohof]

I agree, the author is an absolute sofa truck driver, unlike me.

[33 Watcher]

Commerce pays, not per flight. Commerce pays for kg of cargo, sometimes for dimensions. Most small private carriers pull groupage cargo, i.e. in one truck loads of 10, 20, and more customers. And such a carrier will shove while climbing. There was a period in my life when I came across carriers for work. So, I can tell you about bursting frames on trucks. And the number of flights here, nothing to do with it. Greed is the main factor.

[SlavaS]

Yes, freight carriers are certainly more expensive, but the price for the end consumer will drop, and if there is now a solarium of 35, then with plato it will be all 45, so everything will rise in price by 20% at the beginning of the year, this is not a truck charge but everyone !! !, and do not think that someone will not touch it, even the benz will be at least 37-38 rubles. because they bring it to the same trucks.

[OMEDB]

Well, do not tell people, here is simple arithmetic !!! Even if the cost is km 3.50r, you get a walk from St. Petersburg to Moscow (or vice versa) 2625r. Not funny??? And now divide this amount by the entire 20 or 40 ton goods, we get a penny !!!

I am for the innovation, only on condition that it really goes to the treasury and for the repair or construction of new roads !!! Correct long-range battles are more likely against Rotenberg than against the Plato system itself, my opinion!

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: OMEDB

Well do not make people laugh,

And you try not to divide into tons, but into one single long-range truck, and this is another compote, an arithmetic comrade will succeed ...
Judging by the nickname, it's better to talk about the pills ..

[OMEDB]

And you are not a rude citizen, I expressed my point of view, and you are probably the very trucker who does not pay taxes, lavishes, rides a bucket and smashes roads into the trash!

[Koldunja]

Quote: SlavaS

If now there is a solarium of 35, then with Plato it will be all 45

Why not 55? Or 75, like a euro?
It seems that every second in VO is a truck driver, a left-handed truck driver or a white-footed truck driver who is all-crawler.

[SlavaS]

35 l / 100 km = ", 35 / l / consumption per 1 km" * 35 rubles l. (solarium) = 12,25 rubles. consumption of money per 1 km of track, 12,25 + 3,75 = 16 * 100 = 1600 rubles. consumption of money per 100 km 1600 / "35 consumption per 100 km" = 45 rubles. the cost of solarium for a truck. So you don't need to shake the air with your tongue.

[Kirgoudou]

Well, and run them through the scales.
"Plato" was sbats for other extortions, as you yourself noticed.

[your1970]

and 6 tons in GAZelle do not want? And so carry ....
frames !!! ... wheels when folding the bridge in half fight each other ....

[Kirgoudou]

And how many such gazelles per 10000?
It would be better to take control of the construction and repair of roads ...
You shouldn’t have a price ...

[your1970]

Almost the entire 05 region in the Russian Federation carries its cargo in this way, and inside regional transportation, if not a bulky cargo such as polystyrene / Ursa-less than 2 tons, in principle, they do not load ...

[neri73-r]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two rees and, accordingly, the commerce will pay for the delivery of two trucks, not one. Pay for two, the cost of the goods will grow-good luck.

Again, the stomach and wallet of a specific and extremely small layer of commerce grabbers are ahead, and who will pay for the broken suspension and accidents of other motorists due to the roads broken by overloaded wagons? For road repairs?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: neri73-r

and who will pay for the broken suspension and accidents of other motorists due to roads broken by overloaded wagons? For road repairs?

Charge fees from garbage trucks, even without garbage they give an overload to the rear axle.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: neri73-r

and who will pay for the broken suspension and accidents of other motorists due to roads broken by overloaded wagons? For road repairs?

Charge fees from garbage trucks, even without garbage they give an overload to the rear axle.

Yes, let them charge if this is so or fine! Actually, we are talking about federal highways!

[Gxash]

Let's just count: roughly 1400 km to St. Petersburg from Moscow and back. The price of a kilometer in the federal state is 3,06. Multiply and get 4300 for a two-way flight.

Is that a lot?

I once drove on a scarf to the circle of Odintsovo (MO). Paid 2 times a total of 450 rubles. For that, at a high-speed one with a resolution of 130 km / h, in 4 lanes in one direction with lighting. I drove all the traffic jams, did not kill the car and suspension, saved on gasoline and time.

So everyone who screams that we are dying from these requisitions, let them shut up, stop being leftist and live according to the law and conscience!

[jjj]

Quote: Gxash

Multiply and get 4300 for a two-way flight.

The thing is that you need to buy new equipment for "Plato". But just like a couple of years ago they forked out for tachographs with cryptography and GLONASS. And now in a new way. One familiar private trader estimated that it would take 280 thousand a year to use the system. And he carries every little thing around the region. We also add the transport tax, which has not been canceled for truck owners.
In general, this whole situation, it seems, was originally conceived as yet another attempt to overthrow the current government in Russia.
And Mikhail Vasilievich Lomonosov, in what centuries, was a seer, writing:
"What can own PLATONS
And fast with the mind of Neutons
Russian land to give birth "

[Gxash]

Equipment is provided free of charge ...

[faridg7]

Now install it, how much will it cost? Now register in the system, what didn’t get? Plato’s leadership has already complained about the attack. Yes, it’s not an attack, it’s just the truck owners who are trying to register, and since there are more than 2 million of them and they all have to do it, the Plato server hangs like during an attack. In general, I am against these additional fees - the transport tax and excise tax on fuel are disgusting, it would be enough to clean up what is.

[SlavaS]

Let's just count: roughly 1400 km to St. Petersburg from Moscow and back. The price of a kilometer in the federal state is 3,06. Multiply and get 4300 for a two-way flight.

Is that a lot?

Well, before the solarium was 12000-15000 rubles., Now 16300-20000 rubles. price increases from 35-20% for so much everything will rise in price and milk and bread and gasoline, well, as well 4300 well, it seems not a lot.

[Gxash]

Let's pay for crushed asphalt in the hot summer due to heavy trucks at the expense of heavy trucks. It will be fair!

For such roads (hereinafter censorship) kill roads so much that a track (asphalt) with a depth of 10 centimeters and almost vertical walls does not allow ordinary cars with a factory clearance of 14 cm to drive along these roads. They lie on such a belly!

[faridg7]

Quote: Gxash

Let's pay for crushed asphalt in the hot summer due to heavy trucks at the expense of heavy trucks. Honestly, for such roads (hereinafter censorship) kill roads so much that a track (asphalt) with a depth of 10 centimeters and almost vertical walls does not allow ordinary cars with a factory clearance of 14 cm to drive along these roads. They lie on your belly on such a road!

Yes, it’s not the truck, but the fact that the Ch (M) udak that built the road did not build it, but simply poured soil and laid asphalt on top. Asphalt is only the surface of the road, it does not hold the load, if there is no road under it, then the asphalt will fail even without heat
Roads must be built based on the load from freight transport, freight transport is one of the foundations of the economy, certainly not a car with a clearance of 14 cm

[svd-xnumx]

Yes, it’s not the truck, but the fact that the Ch (M) udak that built the road did not build it, but simply poured soil and laid asphalt on top. Asphalt is only the surface of the road, it does not hold the load, if there is no road under it, then the asphalt will fail even without heat

A work colleague went on a business trip to Germany, in Poland, too, a track on the tracks.

[GRAY]

Quote: SlavaS

so much everything will rise in price and milk and bread and gasoline, well, but 4300 well, it seems not much.

Take the potatoes. Entrance price 11 rub. kg We take 20 tons and carry over 2000km.
We get: 15kop cost increase per 1 kg. (at the rate of 1,5)
2000*1,5/20000=0,15р. или 15коп.
At a rate of 3 rubles. 30 kopecks respectively.

I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO LIVE NOW - THE DAMNED PUTIN IS ALL GUILT.

[roadsmell]

Dear, do not think in a square-nested manner:

From the initial stage of production of "potatoes" to getting it on the counter - 7-10 supply chains. And this toll is imposed on the cost of each chain.
Potato, like everything else in this world, in the warehouse from which it is shipped, does not grow by itself.

[GRAY]

Quote: roadsmell

From the initial stage of production of "potatoes" to getting it on the counter - 7-10 supply chains. And this toll is imposed on the cost of each chain.
Potato, like everything else in this world, in the warehouse from which it is shipped, does not grow by itself.

I understand this, that's why I buy domestic potato in the nearest supermarket for 28 rubles, the initial price will rise by 30 kopecks. Yes, and do not care. Most likely, this will not affect the final price at all.
About supply chains, this is interesting, of course, but not everything in the world is transported exclusively by trucks, exclusively along federal highways.

[vit8180]

Hello everyone!
"We take potatoes. The price at the entrance is 11 rubles. Kg. We take 20 tons and carry them for 2000 km" .... "that's why I buy domestic potatoes in the nearest supermarket for 28 ..."
Dear, but no one wondered why the final BUYER pays TAX ADDED TO SELLER VALUE?
Have you forgotten the sales tax? Also, after all, NOT a SELLER paid for it .....

[GRAY]

Quote: vit8180

Have you forgotten the sales tax? Also, after all, NOT a SELLER paid for it .....

The tax is not important, even the price of the goods is not important. Here the margin calculation is simply given.
It doesn’t matter if the truck is transported by a truck or mobile phones, the extra charge per kilogram of cargo will be exactly the same.

About VAT, I did not understand.
Type, the manufacturer must pay for their own products produced, or what?
After all, he is the very first seller.

[papas-57]

'' I understand that, that's why I buy domestic potatoes in the nearest supermarket for 28 rubles, the initial price will rise by 30 kopecks. and do not care. Most likely, this will not affect the final price in any way. '' You do not know our traders well. Prices will rise by 15-20 percent and blame the increase on the freight carriers. And they will stay white and fluffy with extra fat. And money from Plato will go to the treasury, i.e. into oblivion (just disappear) and where they will emerge is unknown, but definitely not on the roads

[Cat man null]

Quote: vit8180

Have you forgotten the sales tax?

Starting January 1, 2004, no sales tax will be charged in Russia

[roadsmell]

Quote: GRAY
About supply chains, this is interesting, of course, but not everything in the world is transported exclusively by trucks, exclusively along federal highways.
To immediately clarify: not with wagons, but with trucks with a gross weight of over 12 tons.

To immediately clarify: not with wagons, but with trucks with a gross weight of over 12 tons.

What cars are not subject to the law?
Zil-Gas? All?
Even a box truck weighing 5 tons and having a payload capacity of 7 tons should pay. (An ordinary Kamaz dump truck weighs 9,4 tons + g / p 13 tons)


Now about the supply chains: the supply of fertilizers, diesel fuel, spare parts for agricultural machinery, the supply of agricultural machinery itself, transportation of seed, transportation from the field to the warehouse, delivery of containers and packaging, and only then from the warehouse to sale - that’s it, offhand.
Not on federal roads?
I partially agree.

Partially no:
1. Tula region., Chernsky district, sz M. Gorky: all these logistics chains - according to the federals.
2. Since 2016, the Ministry of Transport, after running the system in transport over 12 tons, is going to introduce a fee on regional roads, and for transportation of over 3,5 tons, and on buses, vans and passenger cars.

So, considering today all these extra charges for the road, tomorrow we will count them up.

And in PLUTON, everything has already been prepared for the general quitrent: I threw off the page screen below

[GRAY]

Quote: roadsmell

. Since 2016, the Ministry of Transport, after running the system in transport over 12 tons, is going to introduce a toll on regional roads, and for transport vehicles of over 3,5 tons .. and on buses, vans and passenger cars.

In accordance with the Federal Law of 08.11.2007, No. 257-ФЗ “On Roads and Road Activities in the Russian Federation”, from a fee for damages caused to public roads of federal significance by vehicles having a permissible maximum mass of over 12 tons are exempted:

vehicles intended for the transport of people, with the exception of freight-passenger vans;
special vehicles equipped with devices for the supply of special light and sound signals and used to carry out the activities of the fire department, police, medical ambulance, emergency services, military automobile inspection;
special vehicles carrying weapons and military equipment.

What cars are not subject to the law?
Zil-Gas? All?
Even a box truck weighing 5 tons and having a payload capacity of 7 tons should pay. (An ordinary Kamaz dump truck weighs 9,4 tons + g / p 13 tons)

They do not wind thousands of kilometers across the federal states.

2. Since 2016, the Ministry of Transport, after running the system in transport over 12 tons, is going to introduce a fee on regional roads, and for transportation of over 3,5 tons, and on buses, vans and passenger cars.

Maybe he wants, but the legislation does not allow it.

Quote: roadsmell

And in PLUTON, everything has already been prepared for the general quitrent: I threw off the page screen below

The screen is not relevant. Already removed, that's all, from your personal account.

[roadsmell]

Maybe he wants, but the legislation does not allow it.

All changes to this legislation are introduced by separate resolutions for one or two.
Example: Decision on the cost of fees for km-3,76 - May 2015.
Decision on phased rates of 1,56, then 3,06 and 3,76 - October 2015.

Will you believe in your own fairy tale further?

The screen is not relevant. Already removed, that's all, from your personal account.

Well, post your "current screen" .. from your personal account.

No? Well, don’t shake the air.

[SlavaS]

30 kopecks respectively.

here we’ll see what the next year will cost; cartafan will cost, and also whether benz will go up in price in the spring, we can even bet for fun

[_my opinion]

Quote: SlavaS

Let's just count: roughly 1400 km to St. Petersburg from Moscow and back. The price of a kilometer in the federal state is 3,06. Multiply and get 4300 for a two-way flight.

Is that a lot?

Well, before the solarium was 12000-15000 rubles., Now 16300-20000 rubles. price increases from 35-20% for so much everything will rise in price and milk and bread and gasoline, well, as well 4300 well, it seems not a lot.

... the cost of delivery is in the cost of any (!!!) product, in principle, cannot be 100%, therefore, the increase in the price of the product should not be 20-35%
... if everything rises in price by the same amount as the solarium has risen in price, then this is called greed
I didn’t set either minus or plus ...

[liuk good]

milk and bread is not made from tanning salons and transport services, which cost a maximum of 5-10% .30% * 5% = 1,5% - that’s how much the transported goods can go up in price

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Gxash

Let's just count: roughly 1400 km to St. Petersburg from Moscow and back. The price of a kilometer in the federal state is 3,06

You, dear, think correctly, but the thing is this: you are a customer and you need to bring raw materials for the production of, for example, toilet paper from Syasky plants to Moscow in the amount of 26 tons.
Since transport workers consider the delivery price based on mileage, you will have to pay 3,6 rubles for each km.
more, which will lie on the cost of each roll and as a result will be reflected in the consumer.
What's so incomprehensible?

Quote: Gxash

I once drove on a scarf to the circle of Odintsovo (MO). Paid 2 times a total of 450 rubles.

You are just a hero

Quote: Gxash

saved on gasoline

With some horseradish you saved on gas if you gave 450 rubles, which at current prices is about 13 liters, which is 100 km.
Where is the saving, my dear?
You are cunning !!!

Quote: Gxash

So everyone who screams that we are dying from these requisitions, let them shut up, stop being leftist and live according to the law and conscience!

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Gxash

So everyone who screams that we are dying from these requisitions, let them shut up, stop being leftist and live according to the law and conscience!

This is infuriated!
Have you ever personally traveled 5,6,7 thousand km?
You, personally, did you ever go through a dvigla thread in a 20 degree frost?
You, personally, when the thread lived in the car for two weeks, eating somehow and seeing a family three days a month?
I declare to you, LABOR FAR FAR IS HELLY LABOR !!!
By the age of 50, truckers "make" themselves a lot of chronic diseases, and many of them do not live to be 60 years old !!!
So it happened with my father-in-law, A WONDERFUL MAN, who had been spinning a wheel all his life and lying under these wagons in any weather, in heat and hunger, repairing his own and helping others.
But instead of picking in the pockets of hard workers, you better dig deeper into the pockets of power and Rottenbergs.
And I wish you that not one, hear, not one truck stopped at your car during a breakdown on the highway!

PS. Guys, FAR FAR We support you and will support in the fight against fiscal state-oligarchic terror!

[Gxash]

Do you think stealing is right?
Do you think that sending a truck on a flight inoperative, is that right?
Do you think that without sleep (or snatches) to transport a truck to a distance of 5-6 thousand km is heroism?

All this is idiocy and potentially entails a danger to the lives of others!

In the pursuit of a long ruble, many long-range truckers are very leftist, poured into a solarium, and in the police paw gives weight control for a detour! Do you think this is right?

Dear, you are very wrong! This is the first. The second one. Learn to write without mistakes. Third, overloaded wagons gliding on lifts in winter on summer and long bald tires (after all, the toad strangled to buy normal tires) create wild traffic jams. And I want to beat such freaks with my own hands (or his employer, if he is not a private trader).
And she drove - he is OBLIGED to drive only in a serviceable car that is able to drive normally without problems in the current legislation and the existing weather!

And I am truly sorry for your relative ...

[Azazel]

Do you think that sending a truck on a flight inoperative, is that right?
Do you think that without sleep (or snatches) to transport a truck to a distance of 5-6 thousand km is heroism?

and everything else you listed cannot be eliminated without PLATO ???
then to hell with us all the traffic police ???
before it was they who performed these functions, but now PLATO will be ... and more, do you really believe that with PLATO these violations will disappear ??? and maybe everything will be simplified to the banal: "pay and ride safely" ???
you very much trust this government, which in recent years has only been beating its citizens ...

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Gxash

Do you think stealing is right?

Who?
Our country was stolen, but you are silent!

Quote: Gxash

Do you think that without sleep (or snatches) to transport a truck to a distance of 5-6 thousand km is heroism?

Do you think that the lack of infrastructure on the federal highway (for which you also have to pay) is for the authorities? Have you ever seen, at least, roadside latrines on the slopes? I’m not even talking about hotel accommodations.

Quote: Gxash

In the pursuit of a long ruble, many long-range truckers are very leftist, poured into a solarium, and in the police paw gives weight control for a detour!

Considering that cargo transportation in the Russian Federation is now a private segment, show me at least one private trader who will steal on his own.
A gayts, as they took, and I will take, while the state is not itched.

Quote: Gxash

And drove - he is obliged to leave only in a working car,

Are you generally familiar with the quality of fuel in the Russian Federation? I somehow refueled near Tambov when I was driving from Volgograd and my car after 5 km. from serviceable it turned into a faulty one, I thought that the motor would jump out from under the hood, it’s good that there was little water in that benz And who do you think helped on the track? Of course long-range! After all, like you, time is more expensive ..

Quote: Gxash

Learn to write without mistakes

I’m not used to writing from a tablet, and there is no editor in the browser.
So sho call ...

[your1970]

Gxash
In the pursuit of a long ruble, many long-range truckers are very leftist, poured into a solarium, and in the police paw gives weight control for a detour!
ANTI.KORR
"Considering that cargo transportation in Russia is now a private segment, show me at least one private trader who will steal from himself."

About diesel fuel rzhaka - you go to the track with a walkie-talkie and ask "how much do they rent?" at all oncoming trucks, almost everyone is renting, the difference with refueling is on average 5 rubles ...

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

I’m not used to writing from a tablet, and there is no editor in the browser.
So sho call ...

do not pay attention .. it just means that the opponent’s arguments are over ...

[Shadowcat]

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

Our country was stolen, but you are silent!

What is your evidence for such serious statements?

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

Do you think that the lack of infrastructure on the federal highway

And who prevents to chip in and build for every 5-10k km a house with a bath / bedroom / zhrali?
If you forget, let me remind you that since 1991, capitalism and the state have provided you with only a small minimum. The same education, a social program (no matter how lousy it is, but at least it exists). For the rest, please take care of yourself.
Let me remind you of socialism (again, no matter how lousy it may be) in our country it was canceled at the request of the civilian population of the country (and I don’t need to talk about the clique. If it would be, they would have buried it on the square in closets)
in 1991.
So if you / your employers are not able to organize what you need, then why blame the state?

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

I thought that the motor would jump out from under the hood, well, that there was little water in that benz

And here's ahead to write a statement (can be sent by mail, registered letter) to the prosecutor's office with a request to conduct a check at the gas station in order to identify a poor-quality product. According to the laws of the Russian Federation, it should be held in the mine within a month or two and send you a notification with the results of the check. If this is not the case, another statement is written, indicating the document that was sent to the prosecutor's office (letters) and sent to other bodies.
Or is it easier to scream, but to move the right place there?

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

And who do you think helped on the track?

Do you think every driver understands wagon engines?

[Kirgoudou]

Dear, you are simply engaged in demagogy!
You substitute and falsify the very concepts for what you created Plato and why you need the traffic police.
Well, do not be lazy and see who is obliged to control on the road.
And such YOUR examples (see above) do not in any way justify the introduction of Plato.
They only show that the traffic police, whose direct responsibility includes road safety, is in vain eating its bread and does not fulfill its duties.

[Azazel]

look how these virtuous and conscientious lawyers who shout about the introduction of the PLATO will swear in a year, about the fact that they AGAIN !!!
how many such cases have been in the last 10 years ??? any GOOD advertised by the government begins with a price increase - and this is the law ...

[Horn]

My father drove heavy trucks all his life. Then there was simply no such word "trucker". But there were no roadside canteens, gas stations a few kilometers away, hotels and motels. He ate what he took with him. Slept in the car.
But don’t make me laugh, now no one forces me to live as I did 30 years ago. Sleep at the hotel. Work with a partner. Eat in the dining room. Do not feed your toad, you won’t earn all the money! Soon, I think, there will be no feeble fines for violation of the working day. Like in the rotten West. In order not to spin the steering wheel around the clock. For this, and tachographs. And it is right!

[exalibor]

oh how it turns out !!!! only our long-haul turns out to be like that in hell, but in Europe it turns out paradise .... but for some reason they pay these taxes .... if it’s a shame for the long-haul that the roads are crap that crumble in a year, then let them rebel for it and not for the introduction of this system, which is not paid in one country !!!

[Kirgoudou]

Bravo ANTI.KORR!
I’ll add more wishes ...
Why on earth would you all fellow Rotenberg family
we also set pedometers from the counter ... Go ahead with the song!

[Gxash]

My dear, many time is much more expensive than money!

The second one. You do not ascribe whists to yourself. The tariff is not 3,6, but 3,06

When transferring toilet paper from St. Petersburg to Moscow, we get:

the weight of one roll is 137 g., I google it.

V = π * r2 * h
(r is the radius of the cylinder, h is the height of the cylinder, π-3,14)

r2 = D

V = 3.14x8,8x8,7 = 240,40 cm3 (one roll)

volume of 64 rolls (1 pack) 240.40x64 = 15385 cm3 = 0,0153 m3

In one 90 cubic wagon I can take away 52 tons of toilet paper at a time with a total of almost 380 thousand rolls. Provided that I will pay 2200 rubles for the premium on the highway, then the margin on the roll will be 6/10 kopecks! Are you laughing Business will not notice this at all !!! And he certainly will not pay for the mistakes of others !!!

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Gxash

When transferring toilet paper from St. Petersburg to Moscow, we get:

the weight of one roll is 137 g., I google it.

You can at least be charred.
I gave you an example for the delivery of raw materials, not rolls! And in a 90cub wagon you will take a maximum of 20 tons !!!
Now take another "shoulder" Syas-Rostov !!!, for example!
Once again, I repeat, voluminous, but light loads sold in the cheap price segment will go up significantly!

PS. Extortion of "Plato" from long-range combatants is a trial balloon for transferring the entire transport network to a paid basis.
First they will take bribes from large-capacity vehicles, then from the middle, and the next step is a passenger!
Subsequently, a law will be passed on the introduction of tax on windows in houses ... (this is a banter, but it is possible)

[fraer]

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

Subsequently, a law will be passed on the introduction of tax on windows in houses ... (this is a banter, but it is possible)

Yes, the time has come. We count a penny in our pocket, in someone else's pocket.
And we see nothing but cents. But there was a time when there were completely different values.

[Gxash]

Answer me one question: is it not easier to organize transportation from St. Petersburg to Rostov-on-Don using railway transport? Both in volumes you will win, and in loading capacity!

As for the adjustment of federal tariffs for transportation: here you have to sit down and talk, not tearing your throats and making traffic jams, let alone blocking highways. On the part of the carriers, not the carriers, but the owners of the business, and the Government with the Platon developers, on the other hand. And you, with your posts, urge the people to revolution! We need to talk!

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Gxash

As for the adjustment of federal tariffs for transportation: here you need not to tear your throats and arrange traffic jams, much less overlap routes, but sit down and talk

with whom to talk?
With an inadequate government?
You raised the green raccoon twice, the tariffs jumped, everything went up in price.
You therefore agreed with someone?

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Gxash

Answer me one question: is it not easier to organize transportation from St. Petersburg to Rostov-on-Don using railway transport? Both in volumes you will win, and in loading capacity!

I answer
1) Small business is not profitable, but rather railway transportation is not relevant.
A 60 t car should be loaded to capacity, and at 60 t. raw materials, stupidly, not enough working capital!
2) Railway tariffs are also constantly growing, because they must feed Yakunins and other managers of all links in three throats, they need to build fur stores
3) Transportation to the nearest railway line will also be carried out by auto transport + unloading-loading.

PS. I’m embarrassed to ask, and what kind of activity do you have, at least in general terms?

[Horn]

Bullshit. Assembled car - did not hear? Wagons, they are different. Ship goods at least in a hundred addresses in one wagon. A bulk and does not happen in small batches.
Threat. I’m embarrassed to ask: did you see cars other than passenger ones?

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Horn

Bullshit. Assembled car - did not hear?

Yes, you give up this mentor tone.

Quote: Horn

Piece goods load at least a hundred addresses in one wagon

can be more detailed
inference, experience or reference.

Quote: Horn

I’m embarrassed to ask: did you see cars other than passenger ones?

is this you decided to cling to me with this question? funny.

[Horn]

No, don't bite. This knowledge is at the level of a loader-slinger. A person with a technical education does not know this - bad manners. Which link do you want? Contact Russian Railways. Better yet, call and ask if you can ship a couple of tons in a modular car. And no "fun".
And experience: in the dashing 90s I had the opportunity to work on bridge and gantry cranes. Wagons loaded, if not thousands, then hundreds.
Once again I was convinced that your knowledge of Russian Railways logistics ends with the terms "coupe" and "reserved seat".

[Serg koma]

"National treasure" "Gazprom" - "Zenith-Champion"
"state company" "Russian Railways" - "Champion locomotive"
"state company" Rosneft "-" CSKA-champion "
(try to calculate the budgets of only these clubs)
A pensioner grandmother comes to the store, buys sugar / tea, goes to the pharmacy, buys validol / corvalol, and is unaware that she brings her penny, ruble, out of her meager pension, to the salary of some Hulk whom she does not know, does not know what does she pay him for and what does he do ...

It may be for the state (or rather the rulers) to start MYSELF (the president’s refusal to make a salary - it’s a penny ...), to get rid of NON-PROFILE investments, for example, to start saving FOR THE PEOPLE, NOT ON THE PEOPLE And there will be medicine and healthcare and ROADS !!!

[faridg7]

As I understand it, the meaning of your comments is that there is nothing to be trifled with because of a couple of cents, the amounts are not significant. Only these amounts will go from our wallets again, and once again to improve roads. Yes, we are building roads, here in the south of Primorye, roads were built for the summit several years ago, now they are building a road to the game zone. It seems necessary to rejoice, but I would like to bring along some roads some big boss from the corresponding ministry and, bitch, all this time I poked him on this road and decoupled my nose like a cat, and then, if it were my will, I would send him to Kolyma so that they fertilize themselves with permafrost for waste.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Gxash

In one 90 cubic wagon I can take away 52 tons at a time

You will not take 100%, and if you "fill" the goods at the final point will be defective by about 30-40% (minimum). It used to be crumpled newspaper So add these percentages to the wholesaler's price, then make a wholesale and retail mark-up - go ahead for the goods that have risen in price to the nearest store, or turn your housing into a warehouse overstocking for a month (s) with the wholesaler, spend gasoline and time (creating traffic jams) for trips to supermarkets.
If you like to count, please calculate the increase in the cost of fuels and lubricants, the fuel truck only goes in one direction with the "product" (40t. Minus its own weight (a / m + p / pr)) return empty (but you still have to pay).

[Serg koma]

I once drove on a scarf to the circle of Odintsovo (MO). Paid 2 times a total of 450 rubles. For that, at a high-speed one with a resolution of 130 km / h, in 4 lanes in one direction with lighting. I drove all the traffic jams, did not kill the car and suspension, saved on gasoline and time.

Moscow → St. Petersburg - “Sapsan” - travel time 3 hours 40 meters, the cost of a seat is ~ 3 303 rubles.

3 303 * 2 = 6606 rub. The cost of your car is approximately (say) 1000000 rubles. 1000000/6606 = 151
Conclusion: sell the car and drive the Sapsan - fast, and you can travel 151 times along the route Moscow → St. Petersburg → Moscow (the road is very busy). At the same time, you do not interfere with other road users.

PS Sorry for the mockery, but your example is probably not quite "correct", because you could drive without "traffic jams" and on a free section of the road that has good coverage and several lanes.

[Golddigger 96]

I don’t understand something. Do you guys have long-distance guys only traveling from St. Petersburg to Moscow? And what about other cities, you can multiply the distance between them by another 2. And at the expense of 20 or 40 tons, that is already impossible to find, now the weight limit does not come from the load capacity but from a ton per axle, and this is all year round. When before the second was only from April to May. So they carry less cargo. Since throughout the route on all the scales there will not be enough contracts to get to the destination.

[ARES623]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two flights and, accordingly, the coomers will pay for the delivery of two trucks, and not one.

And the hell with it, that the wheels are flying along the road in front of the wagon, we’ll drive on one wheel, well, in extreme cases, we’ll collect a couple of corpses in the oncoming lane, and if you are lucky, then a bus with the kids. The main thing is to wind tonnometers, but to get the bakshish out of the tax. Freight people, what are you? Recollect, your brain is completely blown out? Well, you would risk your life by overloading it alone, but you strive to take a bunch of innocents to the next world!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: ARES623

, well, in extreme cases, we’ll collect a couple of corpses in the oncoming lane, and if you're lucky - then a bus with the kids.

The accidents of long-range fighting are mostly from fatigue, because the work is not easy.

Quote: ARES623

yes bakshish from tax

And whoever takes away, most of the companies now work in the Far East honestly.

Quote: ARES623

Well, you would risk your life by overloading it alone, but you strive to take a bunch of innocents to the next world!

Well, as I understand it, the concept of overload is empty for you.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The accidents of long-range fighting are mostly from fatigue, because the work is not easy.

I agree, the work is not easy, only in the pursuit of profit, they violate all the requirements and rules! They don’t have a rest, they exceed the speed limit, tonnage, I’m silent about the wheels! In short, saving on everything, including our lives on the roads — he (the carrier) wants to live well, and others die on the roads, he can die too, but he at least knows what he risks.

[ARES623]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Well, as I understand it, the concept of overload is empty for you.

Of course, empty, I worked part of my life as the head of the RMM and the head of the transport department, I had 8 teams of "truckers" under my command. Don't "treat" me. Have such "representing" so many wheel studs changed. 90% of “professional” drivers cannot tighten the wheel correctly, because everyone “knows everything”, d.ebi.l. b ... i, and then they come with a curved frame and without shock absorbers, at best.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The accidents of long-range fighting are mostly from fatigue, because the work is not easy.

Is it hard work? this is when the head is light and without brains. Even long-range rest at night is possible, but after all, we “boo” - 2000 for a day and a half, and then devils jump in our eyes or sleep at the wheel. And they are malnourished - a fact! Half of the belly rests against the steering wheel - do not turn it! And faces - not about ... well, you know.
The nonsense in us is utter and careless. I’m not writing about everyone, but an ugly little piece of shit covers the entire driving community.

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: ARES623

Freight people, what are you?

Judging by your comment - cannibal killers, no less ..

[Vanya Ivanov]

and then we wonder why the roads in Europe are good, but we have bad ones.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Vanya Ivanov

and then we wonder why the roads in Europe are good, but we have bad ones.

Also, colleague, the roads in Europe are good because they are built without such thefts and violations of requirements and regulations. And with us that the contractors, that the customers, the first thought is saving. Moreover, they often understand that by lowering the quality of the inert material in the "cushion" of the road, they reduce the durability of the top coating. There is someone to blame, on vehicles with a large payload. My colleague, I have a question in connection with your comment. And why in the same Norway or Finland, countries where the climatic conditions for road operation are much more difficult than the middle zone of Russia, and the soils are heavier, there are no problems with ruts. By the way, colleague, road transport in the north of Europe is the main type. And the roads do not fall apart.
Like, a colleague, maybe they still steal less on road construction?
Something like this is a colleague.

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Vanya Ivanov

and then we wonder why the roads in Europe are good, but we have bad ones.

Because in Europe, roads are built for people, and we have a budget cut!
And the more often they are repaired, the fatter the oligarchs and officials ...

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: ANTI.KORR.

Because in Europe, roads are built for people, and we have a budget cut!
And the more often they are repaired, the fatter the oligarchs and officials ...

Unfortunately, I have to, a colleague agree with you, that is how the roads are built with us.

[Mitek]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two rees and, accordingly, the commerce will pay for the delivery of two trucks, not one. Pay for two, the cost of the goods will grow-good luck.

Sorry, but what kind of nonsense are you talking about? By your logic, it is necessary to heap all the roads in the trash ??? Let’s then load 4-5 times until the frame bursts and ride. We will travel for a year, two, and then the roads will end. Why do you think that the state owes you, but you do not? In my city all the roads rolled up to the ideal and I will not rejoice overloaded trucks.
And the cost of production, by the way, is growing slightly. When using Plato at 17 kopecks per kilogram per 1000 kilometers.

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Mitek

We will travel for a year, two, and then the roads will end. Why do you think that the state owes you, but you do not?

You first google who and what this - "Plato"! Who are the founders of this cheerful company ... And suddenly there was Rottenberg's son among the founders .. How do you? And the firm is not entirely state-owned!
And most importantly, for the construction and repair of roads
WE PAY ANNUAL ROAD TAX !!! +
Excise on gasoline !!! , which supposedly also goes to the construction and repair.
In fact, we have already paid for all the roads from our own pockets, including your newly built ones.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Mitek

Sorry, but what kind of nonsense are you talking about? According to your logic, should all the roads be heaped up in the trash ??

Or maybe, colleague, not in any way justifying the "truckers", start building roads in accordance with the condition of the soil and the likely carrying capacity, without plundering budget funds? And to build not on the arrival of the President or the elections, but on time.

[Turkir]

The final price of all goods will rise. For those who live on pensions and modest salaries and simply end consumers, the price increase will be a "pleasant" surprise.
The Rotenberg brothers are ordinary intermediaries who did not build these roads.
Why do I need a transport tax that no one is going to cancel?

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Turkir

The Rotenberg brothers are ordinary intermediaries who did not build these roads.

On the other hand, colleague, they got a good fuck from the state, and ultimately from you and me, earning money on "Platon", and as I wrote above, regardless of whether it will work or not.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two rees and, accordingly, the commerce will pay for the delivery of two trucks, not one. Pay for two, the cost of the goods will grow-good luck.

Counterquestion. And if the truck is empty - what to pay for, and if it is carrying chips, or some other light load, when the pressure on the roadway is actually comparable to the pressure on the ground of a car? In our company (we carry only our own cargo) the empty mileage is calculated in thousands of kilometers (it is more profitable to overtake a car FASTER than to waste time on loading and unloading operations with third-party "customers") !!!

ALL - MORE believe fairy tales / horror stories from Avtodor - and YOU will be happy)))
Proposal Completely remove vehicles from the roads, because in cities (where the sign "Prohibited the movement of trucks weighing more than 3,5 tons"), roads are destroyed no less intensively, and in some regions and more, therefore, all on a bicycle with a small cart (((

Now seriously. May be to start make roads(without "cutting" and according to technologies for which budget money was received), remove the corruption component transport inspection ("weight control" - which is OBLIGED to charge a lot of money for damage caused to roads), tighten control autodor over construction / repair contractors and operators (organizations supporting the roadbed in proper form) of roads?

[neri73-r]

Quote: Serg Koma

Counterquestion. And if the truck goes empty - what to pay for, and if chips, or some other light load when the pressure on the roadway is actually comparable to the pressure on the ground of a car?

Tell me how much is the weight of the empty truck and trailer? Huh? Tractor from about 7 to 10 tons + trailer from 9 to 14 tons !!! And in "Plato" we are talking about road trains weighing over 12 tons, or do they even break empty roads? The tank also has a small specific gravity on the ground, maybe they are on public roads?

And the question itself is interesting, if I'm empty, then you do not need to pay! This is the carrier’s problem, we don’t care - empty, half or fully loaded! But what about half the load? Take half the board?

[Serg koma]

Quote: neri73-r

Tractor unit from about 7 to 10 tons + trailer from 9 to 14 tons!!!

Former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev until December 1991 used an armored ZIL of an extended modification, which weighed 3550 kg.
Rolls-Royce Silver Spur IV Park Ward Limousine - 3kg -
Prohibit the movement of oligarchs and presidents

Quote: neri73-r

The tank also has a small specific gravity on the ground, maybe they are on public roads?

And if you let "snow and swamp-going vehicles" on the roads - and remove ALL AUTO transport - the roads will not be demolished!
Car tire spikes are harmful to the roadway - CANCEL SAFETY !!!

IT IS NECESSARY TO DO DO-RO-GI, and not directions with a "cardboard" coating - then we will not have any disputes over who owes whom!!

[neri73-r]

Kindergarten! This is about everything!

And in particular

IT IS NECESSARY TO DO DO-RO-GI, and not directions with a "cardboard" coating - then we will not have any disputes over who owes whom !!!!!

Are you smarter than everyone? I doubt!

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: Serg Koma

Now, seriously. Maybe for a start, make roads (without "cutting" and using the technologies for which budget money was received), remove the corruption component of the transport inspection ("weight control" - which is OBLIGED to charge a lot of money for damage caused to roads), strengthen the control of the road over construction contractors / repair and operators (organizations that maintain the roadbed in the proper form) of roads?

Well done, colleague!
Somehow at the end of the 80s, during exercises in Western Belarus, the engineer-engineer company of our tank regiment was supposed to pave the road through a few swampy peat bog. Well, I’m the commander of the reconnaissance regiment going first, fortunately I was smart enough, to prepare my combat training BMP-2 for afloat, I sat at the helm myself, in a couple of sections the car actually swam on floats. After the analysis of the exercises, I ask the commander of the engineer-sapper company, and what is it, without dumping and drainage, how are they "armored", to which I get a decent answer: "and the deputy commander told me that except for scouts, no one will go, Che will tense up ".
Here’s the campaign, the level of development of our DAM government is not much higher than the level of development of the commander of an engineer-sapper company of a tank regiment.
Somehow such an analogy has come to my attention, colleagues.

[kashtak]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If with the set weight, then instead of one, you will make two rees and, accordingly, the commerce will pay for the delivery of two trucks, not one. Pay for two, the cost of the goods will grow-good luck.

the same is said by minibus drivers when the 12th passenger climbs into the 25-seater "gazelle". the desire to reduce costs and attract a client is good to a certain limit.

[Tanya Ya]

Alexander, I traveled 3 years ago on my four from Krasnoyarsk to Rostov-on-Don.
I wish you a ride on the highway from Omsk to Chelyabinsk, from Ufa to Saratov, and most importantly, from Saratov to Volgograd.
Then you will not write this!
Roads, at least put a brick on the gas pedal, and have sex ... A car from a rut will not go anywhere.

[ANTI.KORR.]

Quote: Tanya-Ya

Tanya Ya

Well done, Tatyana! +
Keep it up.

[ASK505]

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

The word "ed" is not in Russian, as well as the separate spelling of "none". "Drive" or "drive" take it and remember. For the thought "plus", and for the grammar a bold "minus". Learn materiel, come in handy.

[meriem1]

Quote: ASK505

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

The word "ed" is not in Russian, as well as the separate spelling of "none". "Drive" or "drive" take it and remember. For the thought "plus", and for the grammar a bold "minus". Learn materiel, come in handy.

Well, what should an educated person do in the morning ??? Of course to teach someone. And then the day was gone. I didn’t set a minus, but still. This is an Internet. And one word to drop out of the list to look for under a microscope ??? The Albanian language is certainly annoying ... but here? Paphos is a good thing, but you won’t stand out for yourself ... you walk all day like a spit!
PS. By the way, Rabbi! .. I correctly composed the sentence and put punctuation marks ???

[jjj]

Well don't drive, so ride

[Turkir]

Everyone is mistaken in spelling - this is natural.
You do not have to pay attention to it, this is true.
Another thing when specially cripple the Russian language and this offends not only ourselves, but also us.
Why and for whom should I write a comment in a crippled language?
Is it really just so that no one understands you?

[Koldunja]

Quote: Turkir

Is it really just so that no one understands you?

A comma is required before "to" according to the rules of punctuation in Russian.

[ASK505]

Quote: meriem1

. I correctly made a sentence and punctuation marks ???

No need to scuffle and rush into the embrasure in defense of illiteracy. By the relation of each person to his own language, one can absolutely accurately judge not only his cultural level, but also his civic values. This is a minus. There is a folk oral language and writing. You can not mix these concepts. Unfortunately, Ivan Ivanovich cannot learn what Vanechka did not learn. I do not teach anyone here, but pay attention to the blatant illiteracy in the letter, like the destruction of the matrix of the Russian World, and this is the branch on which we sit. This is also for minusers, unconscious accomplices of the war of the West with the great Russian language. Errors are eaten into the subconscious, transmitted to others, like a virus. A person is already beginning to think that it is written that way and it cannot be otherwise. This is a degradation of consciousness. If we allow half measures, let go on the brakes, then, in the end, the great Russian language will simply degenerate. True love for one’s homeland is unthinkable without love for one’s tongue. Always remember this. Either write correctly (at least try to avoid blatant AshYbAK), or don’t write at all, will bring more benefits.

[Azazel]

That's right you say ... but off topic because, as they are already going to implement the reform of the Russian language, that’s where the TOPIC is !!! but she deserves a separate discussion in a new article ...
Today, illiteracy has already exceeded all reasonable limits, and what will happen after the reform ???

[jjj]

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[meriem1]

Where did I write that I am defending ??? Sometimes, in a hurry, I did not write that myself! You just have to understand it! And it’s not me who’s making fun! In the microscope, I would advise mother-in-law's ass to study carefully first !!! And then blame people! And then where you do not spit ... you will get into the "smart guy"! Study the Scriptures better! "You are looking for a speck, but you don't see a log in your eye ...", "Who of you is sinless, let him throw a stone first ...." And so on!

[Hort]

come in handy, you to the poker

[ASK505]

Quote: hort

come in handy, you to the poker

Well done, that I noticed. It is commendable, but the beginning of a sentence in Russian is capitalized. Finishing the thought, put an end to. There you are in the poker.

[svetoruss]

Quote: ASK505

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

The word "ed" is not in Russian, as well as the separate spelling of "none". "Drive" or "drive" take it and remember. For the thought "plus", and for the grammar a bold "minus". Learn materiel, come in handy.

Extract from Dahl's explanatory dictionary:

to go or go (with the pretext to go), to go; will command. eatgo use rarely (Psk. Vlad. Sib.); to move, to be transported somewhere, but not to walk, not to fly, not to swim, forcing some animal to carry itself on horseback or in harness.

for especially literate.

[Turkir]

For Dahl plus. I would highlight in red other words -
will command. go rideused rarely (psk. Vlad sib.)
rarely - even for village dialects designated areas in this form.
That is, it is a spoken language, not a written form. This is a big difference.
Both of us are able to read, but the accents in what we read are set differently.
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There is such an expression - Says as he writes.

[stas132]

"Useful" is written without a soft sign, you are our Makarenko.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: ASK505

The word "ed" is not in Russian, as well as the separate spelling of "none". "Drive" or "drive" take it and remember. For the thought "plus", and for the grammar a bold "minus". Learn materiel, come in handy.

And I, you, Naira, put a plus and added a little more in the ranking, illiteracy is really depressing. I hope everything is written correctly.

[anfil]

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

Have you ever had to drive 05 region trucks? It seems that in this region the cars do not have a load limit.

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: anfil

Have you ever had to drive 05 region trucks? It seems that in this region the cars do not have a load limit.

I agree with you, Andrey, the action is not at all the most pleasant. But without detracting from the convenience of drivers, and generally referring this issue to the sphere of government policy, I ask you to pay attention to one issue. Only Makhachkala, to some extent Khasavyurt, Kizlyar and Derbent, can be considered "civilized" cities in Dagestan. Everything else is full of the Middle Ages, there is no gas, the roads are exclusively gravel, light, due to theft, only accordingly .... for them the owner of KAMAZ is richer. Considering the clannishness of the Dagestan Caliphate, and the utter verbiage of our authorities, who deny any social policy in the Caucasus, no "Platon" will solve this problem. For a Dagestani, leaving the republic is already a problem, but they are leaving, strange isn't it? So think, colleague, why there are 05 on our roads.
As it is chaotic, I probably expressed my thought, but I am constantly "wandering" to Dagestan, therefore, I have sufficient command of the situation.
In general, the situation with work in Dagestan is quite interesting. Either "terrorists" or "Kamaz". Terrorists are constantly being killed, but lack of work instantly compensates for the loss. Of course, an important role is played by the complete disregard of any social policy in the Caucasus by the DAM ministers, it is not there at all.
You may not believe me, colleague. Come to the resorts of the North Caucasus!

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

No one will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage.

Sasha, why are we complaining about the condition of the roads ?! You won’t earn all the money! In the vegetable season, we could not find cars for transporting aluminum ingots, everyone was under the vegetables! How much they loaded, God alone knows! Human greed is immeasurable!

Another question is whether this money will really be spent on road repairs and how much will be stolen! But this is another story and a question of the relevant authorities!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Sasha, why are we complaining about the condition of the roads?

Diana, the tracks of Europe and the USA are teeming with trucks, but the roads are in good condition, why? Another approach or hovercraft?

[33 Watcher]

Compliance with the rules of transportation ... There is no secret whatsoever.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Observer 33

Compliance with transport regulations ...

Yeah, and these rules on French brought from the USA are written on the car door. How many tons are written there?

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Sasha, why are we complaining about the condition of the roads?

Diana, the tracks of Europe and the USA are teeming with trucks, but the roads are in good condition, why? Another approach or hovercraft?

just like that, Sanya, there are many times more heavy trucks there, and the roads are normal, because they were originally made with high quality, and not with a 3-cm layer of asphalt.

[neri73-r]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Sasha, why are we complaining about the condition of the roads?

Diana, the tracks of Europe and the USA are teeming with trucks, but the roads are in good condition, why? Another approach or hovercraft?

I’ll tell you from experience, maybe I’ll tell you a secret - they observe the speed limits there and rest on time and do not go on weekends !!! The law, however!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: neri73-r

I’ll tell you from experience, maybe I’ll tell you a secret - they observe the speed regime there

The high-speed mode at French, 130 maximum - then it becomes difficult to control, and even more so with the load. You can immediately see a person who knows nothing about transportation.

Quote: neri73-r

do not go on weekends !!!

More how they drive

[neri73-r]

Quote: neri73-r
I’ll tell you from experience, maybe I’ll tell you a secret - they observe the speed regime there
High-speed mode at French, 130 - then it becomes difficult to control, and even more so with the load. One can immediately see a person who knows nothing about transportation.

Alexander, and here it’s possible car, but even 200 km per hour, for trucks there are 90 restrictions and the far right lane (except for overtaking), the car’s capabilities are specially limited.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: neri73-r

they are there and observe the speed limit

EEEEEEEE

Quote: neri73-r

Alexander, and here are the possibilities of a car

I don’t even know then what, you know better what is true.

Quote: neri73-r

there for truck restrictions - 90 and the far right row

Excuse me, but will you go to French at what speed?

[veksha50]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

why? Another approach or hovercraft?

Most likely, as originally constructed roads ...

Because of theft and laziness, ours often have a pillow, etc. etc. stacked with violations of technology ... Yes, and asphalt roads are not so common in the west, they have federal roads - concrete ... And in some places (!!!) we have normal roads that go without repair and annual patches pothole holes ...

[Winter cherry]

At us in St. Petersburg, the Ring Road is concrete and it’s already full of ruts, you go to a passenger car and throw it from side to side.

[jjj]

Observed the movement of mining trucks. The serpentine road is just out of a dump. There are no ruts and they can do without "Plato"

[veksha50]

Quote: jjj

I watched the movement of mining trucks.

Um ... We sometimes have these monsters in the city (!!!) streets ride ... not in the central, of course ...

And the question is - who releases them there and who to restore after them, and for what money, should the road-canvas ???

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: jjj

Observed the movement of mining trucks. The serpentine road is just out of a dump. There are no ruts and they can do without "Plato"

Ahahaha

[veksha50]

Quote: Winter cherry

At us in St. Petersburg, the Ring Road is concrete and it’s already full of ruts, you go to a passenger car and throw it from side to side.

Hmm ... Are you sure that your "concrete" ring road was built in compliance with the technology ???

I’m not sure ... And the technologies are broken, and at least a third of the building material left to the left during the construction ...

[afdjhbn67]

do not lie so frankly, not one you go there, throws you .. on a wheelchair or something you ride ??

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: veksha50

Because of theft and laziness, ours often have a pillow, etc. etc. stacked with violations of technology ... Yes, and asphalt roads are not so common in the west, they have federal roads - concrete ...

Let me disagree with you, colleague, in the west, at least in central and northern Europe, the roads are generally asphalt, although it should be noted that the fraction of inert material used by Europeans is much smaller, which significantly strengthens the outer coating. However, this increases the cost of the same highways, however, and increases their service life without further repair. But about the "pillow" you are absolutely right, this is the most expensive and uncontrollable part of road construction.
Something like this, colleague, I'm sorry, from experience.

[veksha50]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

Something like this,

I agree with you, only then will I answer with the eternal Russian words: "They steal, sir" ... What when laying a pillow, what when laying a canvas ...

Each of us simply expressed this essence in different ways ... But the essence remains the same ...

[ARES623]

Quote: veksha50

Because of theft and laziness, ours often have a pillow, etc. etc. stacked with technology disruptions

And you, excuse me, an inspector from supervision? Technologist? Road designer? Then with the numbers where, what, in what quantities were stolen, how many planted at your request? Or is it a song from "someone else's voice"? What are you going to do, everyone knows everything who is stealing where, but no one is sitting, and the road is as it was. As you sit down in the smoking room, listen to the "people's anger" how to build and how not to steal, and questions arise - why are you flying along highways with such a craving for a penny? Hu ... nude is really easier to carry than a bag.

[RBLip]

in short, long-haul kazly, driving with an overload, plato thing, cheers!, fill the holey budget ...
let's understand.
1) for "rich" long-range shooters. the writer himself tried to go, for example, from Tambov to Yekaterinburg in winter? judging by the article (not a fig, he gets half a dollar), no, I haven't tried ... to get this very half, the carriers live in cars for weeks. farther. Let's count how many times the long-range operator pays denyuzhku. 1.transport tax, 2.the price of diesel fuel, which is comparable, probably, to rocket fuel, 3. OSAGO is voluntarily compulsory. 4. Paid federal cars. 5. now there is still a plateau ... and also "cheap" spare parts, excellent tires, "excellent" trained drivers of "cars", "timely" work of services in winter, "excellent" food on the road ... exaggerated, of course, but this is so it is ... are there still people who want to work for an Agromous salary?
2) according to the system. I will not be unfounded, I will quote an article from Vedomosti.
Russian President's press secretary Dmitry Peskov said that the acquaintance of businessman Arkady Rotenberg with Vladimir Putin did not help his son Igor's company to become the operator of the Platon truck fare payment system.
When asked by a journalist, "Did Arkady Rotenberg's close acquaintance with Vladimir Putin help Arkady Rotenberg get his son Igor the right to be an operator of the Platon system, which truckers are protesting against?" Peskov replied: "No, it didn’t help." When asked why Igor Rotenberg's company became the operator of Platon without a tender, Peskov said: “There is Rostec, Rosavtodor and the Ministry of Transport. To be honest, we do not do this in the Kremlin. Therefore, I cannot answer this question.”
The concessionaire, RT-Invest Transport Systems (RTITS), is responsible for collecting payments and operating the system for collecting payments from Platon heavy trucks. The owners of RTITS are mostly private - Igor Rotenberg and the RT-invest investment fund (25,01% of the fund belongs to the state corporation Rostec).
The state allocated RTITS land along federal highways for infrastructure to collect fees. The operator will give all the collected money to the state, receiving 10,61 billion rubles annually in exchange from the budget., which the next 12 years (concession period) will be adjusted for inflation. This year RTITS will receive 7,9 billion rubles. - the first part of the fee due for the operation of the system from November 2015 to June 2016.
The cost of creating "Plato" was estimated at 29 billion rubles. Almost all of this amount is 27 billion rubles. - RTITS borrowed from the quasi-state Gazprombank.
not weak, right? still goes to the budget, to the penny ....
3) on the road (long-range overloads). yes, there is this problem. Caucasians especially suffer from this. already wrote, our valiant police should be fought for this. will work without "bribes", this problem will go away by itself. Well, we got along with solid and pedestrians, and then there is no way or what? the question is in the will of the traffic police.
4) well, and the last. at prices that will not rise. yeah. will not rise. for sure. last example. Yaroslavl - Lipetsk. the rate has risen by 3000 rubles. do you think we, as a wholesaler, will invest this three rubles? or will it be different with food? ha ha ha
but in general, personally, I am a supporter of the theory that with long-range - large-tonnage workers this is only a trial balloon. After all, it is possible for medium-tonnage workers to come up with a system, and to sink to the "gazelles". and then to lower the broom from the federal cars to the regional roads. they also "suffer", right?
I’ll say right away. I do not work as a driver. I just know this kitchen and don’t watch TV ...

[gispanec]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Nobody will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage

nonsense, they will ride as they went .... here is our company-ship, KAMAZ with 7-8 tons allowed to the maximum, 12-15 tons and it went darling (and empty weight 14.5tn) for 200km .... from the foresters the same song, and whoever carries the same bulk always overloads, and where the base of metal scrapers is next to the trash ... the metalworker himself, I know what I'm writing .... and we drove and we will carry cars. By the way, we pay right now this quitrent, it’s worthless but pay - just a couple more tons of overload ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gispanec

here is our company-ship, KAMAZ which has 7-8 tons allowed to the maximum, 12-15 tons and he went darling

20T Kamaz trucks carry nothing.

Quote: gispanec

and where the base of metal scrapers is near the road to the trash ... the metalworker himself, I know what I'm writing .... and we drove and will continue to haul cars

500 r from the car and went with an overload. And with penalties for an overload, it is easier to do another job.

[gispanec]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

20T Kamaz trucks carry nothing.

and more dragged .... I'm specifically about ours and with specific numbers and I think that they really break the roads

[SlavaS]

last time for overload on one axis per 500 kg. soldered 4500 rubles. !!!

[neri73-r]

Quote: gispanec

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Nobody will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage

nonsense, they will ride as they went .... here is our company-ship, KAMAZ with 7-8 tons allowed to the maximum, 12-15 tons and it went darling (and empty weight 14.5tn) for 200km .... from the foresters the same song, and whoever carries the same bulk always overloads, and where the base of metal scrapers is next to the trash ... the metalworker himself, I know what I'm writing .... and we drove and we will carry cars. By the way, we pay right now this quitrent, it’s worthless but pay - just a couple more tons of overload ....

Karl Marx was right in the book "Capital"
Quote:
"Provide capital with 10% profit, and the capital agrees to any use, at 20% it becomes lively, at 50% it is positively ready to break its head, at 100% it violates all human laws, with 300% there is no crime for which it does not would venture to go, at least under pain of the gallows "

[Ros 56]

Then let them fly. But seriously, there are technical requirements for both roads and cars. If the carrier loaded 35 tons into the truck instead of the prescribed 20 tons, then the pros - get more money, fuel economy (instead of 2 flights made 1), more time to rest, cons - wear and tear on vehicles (springs, tires, transmission, engine), road surface is broken, fuel overrun. Of course, in each case, its own arithmetic depends on many factors, but it must be considered.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ros 56

Then let them fly. But seriously, there are technical requirements for both roads and cars

So announce now-here, the technical requirements for French. Tell me the difference between the French, which is produced for California, Mexico and Canada? You know the essence of the matter.
What is the required technical support from French factory-announce the plis?

[Mahmut]

Have you ever seen a poor trucker?

Have you seen a long-haul trucker, but a trucker who has not been at home for weeks, and no one has seen truckers killed on the track? And for all this 50 thousand. As a reproach that gentlemen "grant eaters" are mad about fat. The article is ordered. I remember how the government imposed levies on the Far East. Not for the sake of self-interest, but in order to support the domestic automaker. Although the domestic automaker did not ask anyone for this, and naturally did not receive any help. The money was stupidly eaten up above. As well as a surcharge on gasoline, which also had to go to road repairs. Trucks travel even more across Europe than we do. But their roads are good, because they do not add sand to the asphalt. As for the covens, let the transport company care, not the government or corrupt journalists.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

You probably wanted to ask: did anyone see a trucker without an ulcer and with a healthy spine and lower back.

[Rosty]

Among truckers there is a saying that they are like dogs, only they carry a booth with them. 50 thousand a lot? For two - three days at home a month? About the roads ... Take an interest in how much freight is considered the norm in Finland. Marvel And about the tires on cargo rubber they have. Crash the roads? And you ride around Finland. Very surprised.

Maybe it’s time to start building normal roads using modern technologies? And so that the construction company not only builds, but also serves the road for five years for the amount of one contract.

Second moment. In the west, taxes are in the price of fuel. Ride - pay. For all. Do not drive - do not pay. And so this is another indirect tax on everyone, not just transport workers. The question is, what will this money go to?

[Rosty]

Among truckers there is a saying that they are like dogs, only they carry a booth with them. 50 thousand a lot? For two - three days at home a month? About the roads ... Take an interest in how much freight is considered the norm in Finland. Marvel And about the spikes on the cargo tires from them. Crash the roads? And you ride around Finland. Very surprised.

Maybe it’s time to start building normal roads using modern technologies? And so that the construction company not only builds, but also serves the road for five years for the amount of one contract.

Second moment. In the west, taxes are in the price of fuel. Ride - pay. For all. Do not drive - do not pay. And so this is another indirect tax on everyone, not just transport workers. The question is, what will this money go to?

[COBA]

I fully share your point of view. Especially with regard to 100% of a custom article.

[mark2]

because they don’t add sand to the asphalt

I didn’t understand something ... But what then do they add to the asphalt?

Asphalt concrete is an artificial building material obtained by compaction of a rationally selected and specially prepared mixture (asphalt concrete mixture) of mineral material (crushed stone, sand, mineral powder) and bitumen. In the Russian Federation, the requirements for asphalt concrete and asphalt mix are set forth in GOST 9128.

This is Wikipedia.

And then I was really scared that I had something not like the builder was told at the university)

I don't like this idea with Plato either. This is a banal drawing of money from the population. I am sure that all the costs of truckers will fall on the population. We will pay in rubles for this toll when we buy groceries and other goods. All! Including grandmother and ending with an oligarch.

and our roads are in a state that we all see because they are built in violation of technology. Here in our region the highway to Moscow is being reconstructed for a long time and persistently. We have Volgograd M-6 passes. Everything is good: they are expanding the separation, nodes-junctions new transitions through the air ... Everything is good. But ... instead of crushed stone, slag was used - a waste product of the metallurgical industry. A solid rock should in theory. ideally granite. But granite is far from us, and slag is close. In Lipetsk.
And what is the result? The track has not yet been completed, and there has already appeared a rut. Still not big, but already felt at speed. Hardness of slag is much lower than granite. The cars just crush him. Well, the pole of moisture, which is always in the soil, fills it, and about freezing, the slag scatters in the sand.

The whole problem is not only that the builders are hacking. It happens to be and will be. the more a builder who does not save on something is not a builder. And the fact that all government building is on tenders.
I am not saying that this is not right. This is basically good. This stimulates competition. But .. Bidding at tenders sometimes drops the price in a very wide range - up to 50%
Now look. There is a construction project. There is an estimate drawn up by a design institute in which a specific amount is indicated. This estimate takes into account all the materials that are required for the construction of highways.
Those interested begin to offer their prices. reduce the cost and even rollback. Truncate, shrink on something, begin to save. And they begin to save on basic materials and RFP. as a result, slag appears in the place of granite. Salary goes down. It becomes not very and interesting for workers to work hard for less money. They start to trick. Somewhere they don’t report somewhere they don’t vibrate.
As a result, rut on an unfinished road.
And to remove it is difficult. how many layers of new asphalt do not put on top, the track will appear again. The base is bad.
So until the system of choosing contractors for the construction of roads has changed, so our roads will be bad.
And at the expense of heavy trucks ... it’s not about them for the most part but as roads.
Yes! our central street in the city is closed to heavy trucks in general, but the track appears there regularly, although only buses and cars go there. And in the summer, asphalt generally becomes liquid. It is melting.

[Mahmut]

And then I was already scared that I had something not like the builder was told at the university

They told you right at the university, but not all. The GOST mentioned by you allowing the addition of sand was valid only in the USSR and continues to operate in the Russian Federation. But, for example, in Finland and other European countries it is strictly forbidden to add sand to the asphalt. That's about it at the university are silent.

[KAV]

To all those who here rests about "write thousands - this is a spear; a sore spine; stomach ulcers; etc., etc." !!!
Dudes! Why are you moaning ??? Don't you believe the official statistics on the increase in heavy trucks on the tracks ?? Well, go out and see for yourself, EPT! If everything were as bad as you paint here - such an increase in heavy trucks would be for the figs! Well, and if you, as an employee, have made a decision to engage in this particular job - sorry, are you a weak-willed slave? They forced you ??? What are you talking about heresy ?? If you want to work, work! If you want to have a Sabbath - buy your car and a Sabbath! How little children! "We are paid a pittance here, and therefore we steal from the employer by doing the Sabbath for ourselves" ... Yes, you ooh *** ate ??? You were given a job - you accepted it and started working! Not satisfied with the level of earnings, working conditions, the consequences of work ??? - Get out of this job, and do not splash saliva! You might think that someone should provide you with a job, provide you with everything you need and wipe your chin and butt ...
Sorry ... I’m an employee myself. But, stealing from the employer = robbing your colleagues, not the owner of the business. For, the owner will always find where and at the expense of whom to compensate their costs.
Quote from the popular Russian film: You eat too much ..., i.e. eat up

[moskowit]

Even if everyone is fined, everyone will ride. This business has so organically blended into the economy that we are no longer destroying it. And they will pay for the roads, and they will drive as they did. The author is right. In the protest component, there are so many "pitfalls" that we, people of little knowledge, do not even know about it ...

[Patriot 1]

Really no one sees that this is a well-planned organized action. And Plato is only an excuse! The fifth column is working! Let's take a look. The carrier does not carry his goods, but on order. Believe me (I face this as a customer tightly), the cost of paying km in Plato is already included in the tariffs. But! in some cities of Russia - carriers' tariffs increased by 70-90%. Plato - increased transportation costs by an average of 10%. Do you think this is normal?
Logically, the strike should not be carriers, but manufacturers and consumers, because the first is overpaid for tariffs, and the second in stores for the total cost of the goods.

[Siberian]

And if you do not "drag" the advantage, then no one will penalize.
Another axiom: a holy place does not happen. This niche will be occupied by others.

[twviewer]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

No one will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage.

And if they plant every thief, they will not steal.
Now for the article:
the author still found the key word MONEY, that is the root of this story. Yes, it is precisely the money that it was decided to redistribute for the sake of big business and a private intermediary. Let’s even be consistent and abolish the tax and give it to the private trader?
And what will happen when small "long-range" players disappear from the roads? The big ones will agree and will break prices, getting super profits. Is it necessary to put things in order on the roads and get rid of gray schemes of cargo transportation and make the government pay? Of course, but not in such a shabby way. And the STATE has a lot of opportunities for this, only I'm afraid the implementation of such opportunities will exclude unjustified enrichment. That's the whole story.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: twviewer

And if they plant every thief, they will not steal.

Law-rule No. 1 for any commerce.
Any komers agrees to pay an overload penalty, only once in a lifetime!

[geek2101]

Oh well. In the United States, no one travels by margin. And in Europe too.
Yes, even in Belarusians try to ride with an advantage - it will not seem enough.
And nothing, long-range business has not died anywhere.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: geek2101

Oh well. In the United States, no one travels by margin. And in Europe too.

And what is the permissible weight in the USA for French?

[Tanya Ya]

This is the correct answer !!!!

[Winter cherry]

Yes? And what will you do, robberies?

[Mitek]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: good7

but how many times saw truck drivers agree with the cops and go around the scales!

No one will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage.

They will, Alexander. Moreover, so many already ride.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Mitek

They will, Alexander. Moreover, so many already ride.

That's why they drive because they drive with overload.

[Koldunja]

The advantage is no better than speeding, and also must be mercilessly fined, and not at the level of the carrier, but at the level of the owner of the truck.
"If everyone is fined for overweight," then on our roads they will finally start normally ride normal trucks, because only in this case road transport will be profitable.

[Serg koma]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Nobody will rideif everyone is fined for an advantage.

And where does SUCH information come from ???

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Serg Koma

And where does SUCH information come from ???

From truckers with experience

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Nobody will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage

Sasha, judging by the minuses of all of them Rottenberg, or something bought .. as if he offended the sacred cow ..

[OlegV]

all the same, they won’t check, but they will ride, it’s money and considerable ....

[Aleksey_K]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: good7

but how many times saw truck drivers agree with the cops and go around the scales!

No one will ride if everyone is fined for an advantage.

Isn’t it time to think, and for what 118 of cons? After all, they didn’t write anything like that? Those. There are readers who are just waiting for you to put a minus. It is necessary to change something when changing the rating of readers. Cons simply because of the anger of readers it is time not to count, i.e. Cons must be justified. Sincerely.

[REDBLUE]

All of course in the article is good. But you think s / n 50 tr This person does not eat up, does not sleep and is not at home. For such a job s / n in half a half is a minuscule. If in Moscow the average manager sitting on a chair earns more than 100. Therefore, according to s / n long-range combat, it’s not for us to judge who is sitting in the office on a chair.
About the fact that the trucks break the roads this is the case. But who can tell exactly where the money will go from Plato? What treasury? We were hunchbacked more than once. We pay the transport tax, and invested it in fuel. Therefore, we pay it twice. The roads from this did not get any better. I myself live in Yaroslavl. We honestly have no roads. By the 1000th anniversary, Moscow Avenue was repaired and it already begins to crumble a little. Have you seen what roads are in Kostroma. They simply are not there. Absolutely not. So where does the money go to which treasury?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: REDBLUE

This person does not eat up, does not sleep and is not at home.

This is for most empty sound.

Quote: REDBLUE

About the fact that the trucks break the roads this is the case.

Of course, they began to break up especially massively when the Russian Railways lifted transportation prices.

[Diana Ilyina]

As for the Russian Railways I agree! However, it should be borne in mind that Russian Railways tariffs directly depend on electricity tariffs, plus they always had unprofitable passenger traffic! I do not condone Russian Railways, but the root of the problem is still there, by the name of Chubais, vile tv * p! Who RAO UES collapsed, now sets tariffs, whoever wants it! More precisely, their federal tariff service sets them, but not for one RAO UES, but for dozens of suppliers and related companies!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

As for the Russian Railways I agree! However, it should be borne in mind that Russian Railways tariffs directly depend on electricity tariffs, plus they always had unprofitable passenger traffic

Is Russian Railways not a state company?

Quote: Diana Ilyina

plus they always had unprofitable passenger traffic!

At such prices and salaries at the same time, well, I don’t even know what to say.

Quote: Diana Ilyina

More precisely, their federal tariff service sets them, but not for one RAO UES, but for dozens of suppliers and related companies!

Diana, there’s good news, there are rumors about a possible privatization nationalization of Rosneft. The first swallow

[Ermak]

Diana, there is good news, there are rumors about the possible privatization of Rosneft. The first swallow wink

For many years, Rosneft bought up various oil companies, and now privatization, well, that’s logical. It is in the spirit of the 90s.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ermak

For many years, Rosneft bought up various oil companies, and now privatization, well, that’s logical. It is in the spirit of the 90s.

Oh Soria, the nationalization of Rosneft

[twviewer]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

RZD tariffs directly depend on electricity tariffs, plus they always had unprofitable passenger traffic!

Unprofitable as well. The point here is how to calculate the rate of return. Per ton of cargo transported or directly to the train? :) or is it different. And who breaks the railway tracks or 60 railroad freight car. And the expenses are calculated (equally). Or maybe we recall that taking the hard worker by train to work, the state will receive taxes from him, and if the train does not go, the hard worker will stay at home on the stove and what will the state get? :) Or maybe this pensioner was going to the center for medicine, or the teenager to learn, or the average man is going to spend his money.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Of course, they began to break up especially massively when the Russian Railways lifted transportation prices.

million pluses! it was then that everyone rushed to buy wagons. and the roads immediately broke into the trash.

[kaplei]

And in b. Wrangel has directions, not roads Tansneft’s oil workers are even more or less expensive, and everything else is a complete paragraph ... The farther from the capitals, the more interesting. Peter himself at work here

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: REDBLUE

I myself live in Yaroslavl. We honestly have no roads.

and where it is?

[alexey water]

But I live in St. Petersburg, I travel across the Leningrad Region and the north-west, and I will say for sure that it has become more expensive, they have become better. I know from friends that the same situation is towards the southern edges of Russia. For me, the question is not where the money goes. I am more interested in the quality of construction, and the guarantee of road quality.

[neri73-r]

Quote: REDBLUE

All of course in the article is good. But you think s / n 50 tr This person does not eat up, does not sleep and is not at home. For such a job s / n in half a half is a minuscule. If in Moscow the average manager sitting on a chair earns more than 100. Therefore, according to s / n long-range combat, it’s not for us to judge who is sitting in the office on a chair.
About the fact that the trucks break the roads this is the case. But who can tell exactly where the money will go from Plato? What treasury? We were hunchbacked more than once. We pay the transport tax, and invested it in fuel. Therefore, we pay it twice. The roads from this did not get any better. I myself live in Yaroslavl. We honestly have no roads. By the 1000th anniversary, Moscow Avenue was repaired and it already begins to crumble a little. Have you seen what roads are in Kostroma. They simply are not there. Absolutely not. So where does the money go to which treasury?

So, dear, then the slogans should be different !!! Not "let's cancel the Platon system, but" let's make a transparent system for collecting and spending the collected funds! " And then you substitute concepts.

[REDBLUE]

Sorry. Did I demand the abolition of Plato? I spoke out about the money that goes it is not known where and about the salary of drivers. Yes, and about our roads

[Turkir]

I spoke out about money

The Duma voted for a moratorium on this "innovation". A moratorium for a year and a half, and that already says something.
Fans of economic calculations as evidence in favor of this project, for some reason, did not calculate the profit of the Rotenberg brothers. And without these numbers, we can consider them the benefactors of Russia.

[Turkir]

I was misled by a fake on one of the sites about the introduction of a moratorium. The Duma is still considering the Plato situation. But what is interesting is that the defenders of this system refer, as always, when it suits them, to "foreign" experience,
however, "forgetting" about other "foreign" indicators.

[solodova]

50 TR this is the salary of a trucker in the company, and this system will not affect her salary, the company will pay for it. And for the regions, this salary is unbelievable, by the way ... Nai men go to work for lesser amounts and don’t see families either, looking in any weather and more difficult conditions than truckers.
It is also surprising that the demands from them go not only economically, but also politically. And it is completely incomprehensible to me why if they started having problems with the transport of smuggling people should again hold elections.

[sa-zz]

Quote: solodova

It is also surprising that the demands from them go not only economically, but also politically. And it is completely incomprehensible to me why if they started having problems with the transport of smuggling people should again hold elections.

And this is where the fun begins. On the eve of the entry into force of the law, the so-called non-systemic opposition is announced in the face of bulk and co, funds funded by Soros and other representatives of liberals reporting to the diplomatic consulates of our overseas "partners".
This is where political requirements appear.
Considering that a year ago the approximate date and content of the law were already known, the question arises:
And why did the long-range people keep silent all year? What did the truckers' union do, where do they allocate their money? And where was this opposition before?

[sa-zz]

And also the conclusion suggests itself that truckers were essentially not opposed, because understood that from black accounting sooner or later have to refuse.
But certain political forces used the situation to bring another turmoil. Because given the ability of these people to act, it still seems that if they really would like to do something, we would know about it.

[Alexey Lesogor]

But you think s / n 50 tr This person does not eat up, does not sleep and is not at home.

smiled. I know many long-range fighters. You can’t say in terms of the size of their abdomen that they don’t eat up. If only does not climb.

Now seriously:
1. The fact that the products will rise in price, nonsense. One way flight, as a rule, no more than 5 thousand km. Hence, 5 x 1,5 = 7,5 thousand per 25 tons of cargo 25 / 7,5 = 3,33 rubles per 1 kg of cargo
2. Long-range rides about 2, rarely three weeks a month. Salary 45-50 thousand rubles for a long 2 week flight. And by eating and sleeping and a prostitute to remove no problems. They themselves say so. So do not cry. People working on shift in Moscow earn less and living conditions are worse.
3. Roads need to be maintained and new ones built. So gentlemen, truckers have come and it’s your turn to withdraw income from the shadows.

[GRAY]

Quote: Alexey Lesogor

25 tons of cargo 25 / 7,5 = 3,33 rubles per 1 kg of cargo

Wrong. In order for the "ruble per 1 kg of cargo" to work, it is necessary to divide the rubles into kilograms, and not vice versa.
7500 / 25000 = 0,3.
30 cents turns out - nothing at all.

[72jora72]

All of course in the article is good. But you think s / n 50 tr This person does not eat up, does not sleep and is not at home. For such a job s / n in half a half is a minuscule. If in Moscow the average manager sitting on a chair earns more than 100. Therefore, according to s / n long-range combat, it’s not for us to judge who is sitting in the office on a chair.

I don’t want to count other people's money, but in our North the private trader on average earns 1,5-3,0 lyam per season

[moreman71]

Is it true that wolves roam the roads in Kostroma? - They lie, of course! We have no roads. . .

[97110]

Quote: good7

truck drivers negotiate with the cops and go around the scales!

Scales are guarded by the transport inspection, which does not have the right to stop a truck with Russian numbers. Traffic police here to wave a stick and draw up a protocol after weighing the vehicle. TI usually asks for the presence of a local government employee. It is necessary to agree with three.

[Bugakovia]

Dear good7, trucks do not transport 40 tons, and about the Chinese trucks that you are talking about, they carry 40 tons each in order to earn those unfortunate 50 TR in a month. and they pay a road tax, and the shoulder on these dump trucks is not more than 100 km on repaired roads.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: BugakovIA

Dear good7, trucks do not carry 40 tons.

And they carry around 55.

[Egor Sergeevich]

Utopia Island !!! Accreditation should be appropriate for construction offices, increased responsibility. And from the budget you can allocate indefinitely .... First you need to make roads smartly, and then already charge a fee for them. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE WHEEL STANDS ON FUR ??? DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH EASY TO SEE IT ON OUR ROADS ??? You can go to a dalnyak so much that you still have to stay ... I think there’s nothing to pay for now. With the exception of the WHSD in St. Petersburg, where it is clear what I pay for! You can also make a special band on the bypass, I'm sure it will be in great demand))))

[GRAY]

Quote: Egor Sergeevich

. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THE WHEEL STANDS ON FUR ???

I heard that depreciation is included in the price of transport services.
But this, of course, does not concern private traders - how to spend money is their own business.

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

No one is going to solve the corruption problem, which means that there will be an advantage and there will be a track on the road. There is only one way out - road repair. And they will take the money from us, because rising transport prices will pull up commodity prices. And at the same time, the Rotenbergs earn a little extra money. Everything is simple. And truckers are unhappy, because no one likes additional chores from scratch. Regarding the RFP of truckers: their work is harmful, nervous, sanitary conditions are dumb (to fuck a bottle is not high) for three pennies no one will work in such conditions. And if there had been no corruption (suddenly an authoritative person banned it), prices would have risen from the fact that an advantage is impossible, the roads would have remained intact, and the owners of the business for the production and sale of fuels and lubricants would have earned.

[veksha50]

Quote: good7

how many times saw truck drivers agree with the cops and go around the scales!

This is also a slightly different perspective of the whole story ... Although our, Russian, problems with both cops and roads are interconnected ...

Roads crash into the trash - this is definitely ... And not only roads, but also crossing bridges ...

If the money will not be stolen and will be spent on business — that is, on road repairs, then there is nothing to protest ... And the fact that they would not go is a grandmother in two ... Who won’t, who violates everything and everything, and still go unpunished ???

[Sobol]

Quote: good7

... And they break the roads to zero, especially the Chinese 40t!

I live in a residential area of ​​the city. Wagons in the area do not drive, and the roads are annually, as after a bombing. Could it be better to tighten control on road construction / repair? For observance of technologies and quality of materials, and not to blame truckers and not to cut additional dubs from them - dibs, who, if they go to repair the roads, will be mastered in such a way that in a month there will be a hole in the road again. And let the author of the article not tell tales that this will not affect prices.

[Gardamir]

Maybe not against it, but how many times saw truck drivers agree with the cops and go around the scales

quote myself
A year ago, the authorities also crushed doctors, they also tried to go to rallies. They were not even declared the fifth column, they were fired.
Another question was enough for Yeltsin’s mausoleum, but there was no way to repair the roads.
Another example. In the late nineties the beginning of zero, pressed to live, leaned into the merchants. For a hundred kilometers from the city towards Moscow there was a weight, because there was an overload in our pockets, we were always stopped, sometimes we were kept for a long time until we paid. But on the way back laden with goods swooped, we still had no money.
So there’s nothing to do with the fifth or tenth column.

[quote]

The government wants to rob truckers to replenish the pockets of the oligarchs. What does the oligarch have to do with it at all is unclear if the money will replenish the treasury and go to repair roads!
Read the author!
According to the information on the company’s website, the parties to the concession agreement are RT-Invest LLC and 42-year-old businessman Igor Rotenberg, who is the son of the famous billionaire Arkady Rotenberg.
As indicated there, Andrei Shipelov is the CEO of RT-Invest. Prior to this appointment, he, according to the extract from the Unified State Register of Legal Entities, which can be obtained on the website of the Federal Tax Service, in 2010 established Tsaritsyn Capital LLC. The authorized capital amounted to 50 million rubles., Of which 98% belonged to Shipelov.


In 2012, he, together with the Rostec state corporation, created the RT-Invest company, whose authorized capital amounted to 163,2 million rubles. At the same time, 74,99% of the shares belonged to Tsaritsyn Capital. In July 2014, RT-Invest, together with Rostec, established RT-Invest Transport Systems LLC (RTITS). The authorized capital amounted to 100 thousand rubles. - 50% on each side. The company's type of activity was listed as “Software development and consulting in this area”.

As early as July 2014, the Russian government appointed this private company as the operator of the Plato heavy truck collection system. And in September of the same year, a concession agreement for 13 years was signed between RTITS and Rosavtodor.

Already in 2015, the share of Rostec came under the control of Igor Rotenberg.
And where does the honest oligarchs, if they have been pushing this since 2012?

[Murking]

I’ve already been tormented by copy-paste. An example of a blunt assumption is, let’s say why Rotenberg is squeezing money, he’s a friend of Putin’s guard. The answer was a competition where foreign companies should go, but there was a crisis and sanctions and no one came in, the only company that remained and was able to do it Using our technologists, this is Rostec and Rotenberg

[kizhe]

Can you create such a system yourself? or at least similar?

[roadsmell]

And who will let us all create the same feeder at the expense of the state ?????

Sharaga with a charter of 100000 rubles is responsible in the amount of the authorized capital - 100 pipes, and receives 30 yards of soft loan.

I have an IP, I am responsible, by law, with all my property, which is ten times more expensive than the shareholder of this sharaga and I’m more than 2 lyam at a wild interest, no one will give a loan !!!


Think before you write something!)))))))

[vladimirZ]

But what the truckers say on the video:
- "A new powerful trough is being created for those in power, for which the whole people will pay."
And in their arguments, given the insatiable nature of our officials and oligarchs, to budget money received from taxes and various payments from the people, there is logic.
[media = http: // http: //ok.ru/video/64647993663629-1]

[roadsmell]

However, given the escalation of the situation around this issue, I decided to sort out the situation a bit.

Shitty, you, the author, figured out the situation!
Tax is Tax, and collection is just FEE. A fee organized by a private enterprise / legal entity implies receiving a profit for their activities / dull work and the obligation to report to the state on its expenses.

And now more:
If the Ministry of Transport plans to receive 40 yards a year from the budget, then by concession with a sharaga, this sharaba FIXED (read GUARANTEED) should leave MYSELF 10,8 yards.

What does this mean? This means that every fifth ruble will not go on any roads, but go on forks, yachts, islands.

And given that in two weeks PLATO collected 200 lyam, by simple mathematical manipulations we get 5,142 yards per year!

That is, not that it will not reach the roads, but the state will also have to pay this sharaga !!!!!!


Author, learn the materiel!



And about the impact of trucks on the road surface: google how a regular trucker smashed into the trash the myth of road damage that exceeds passenger damage by 20 .. 40 .. 90 thousand times.

By elementary calculations of the specific pressure on the web through the area of ​​contact spots, the damage from freight and / or transport exceeds the damage from cars ... 3,6 times !!!!!
But not 20,40,90 thousand times !!!!! And confirmation of this: on multi-lane it is more comfortable to move in the right lane than in the left, where the track is "knee-deep".

[97110]

Quote: roadsmell

And confirmation of this: on multi-lane it is more comfortable to move in the right lane than in the left, where the track is "knee-deep".

I travel regularly on the M4. Track in the left rows? The right hand - in which they hold a spoon!

[Uncle VasyaSayapin]

And on M4 under Rostov there is a gauge in the left lane, and the right one is mostly flat, but more often broken, from the side of the curb.

[97110]

Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin

And on M4 under Rostov there is a gauge in the left lane, and the right one is mostly flat, but more often broken, from the side of the curb.

Uncle Vasya, they’ll take away your rights for the oncoming traffic. Of course, I live above Rostov. But in the summer I went also to Rostov - like the left lane without a rut.

[roadsmell]

I don’t know what’s on your M4 in Moscow, but on our M-2 from Tula to the Moscow Ring Road, the rut in the left rows is milled annually and re-rolled with asphalt .. because of the rut!

MKAD - the same song !!!

In Orel, in Tula - in cities where cargo is prohibited, the same situation, except that not every year they repair it.

[roadsmell]

Whose rut in the spring will be milled and re-rolled into the asphalt, is it ...?

[roadsmell]

... or him ???

[onix757]

Quote: roadsmell

Whose rut in the spring will be milled and re-rolled into the asphalt, is it ...?

Quote: roadsmell

... or him ???

_________________
And the road workers need to ask various offices that are spinning near them.
31.03.2011
In March, the Prosecutor General’s Office checked the quality of Russian roads and called their condition unsatisfactory
According to the department, the bodies of state power and local self-government are to blame for this, which "everywhere do not comply with the norms of laws in the construction and repair of roads."
It is estimated that the annual expense for the current and overhaul of Russian roads in terms of one kilometer is from 27 to 55 thousand dollars. In Finland, where climatic conditions are similar to Russian, about 10 thousand dollars are spent per kilometer. At the same time, the quality of highways in Russia is significantly inferior to European: out of 50 thousand roads, only a third can be called satisfactory or good. In 2011, the Russian authorities will allocate 710 billion rubles for the repair and construction of federal highways.
______________________________

Even Chaikin’s prosecutor’s office was indignant

[Andrea]

The trucker's labor is not sugar, especially the private trader. Pay for everything out of your own pocket, but the distressed (those with your head) are not noticeable.
In general, what is fuss about?
Departing for the cordon, the busiers quietly pay tolls ten times higher than those currently established in Russia.
Or maybe it’s a principle and stop repairing roads? For the repair of cars and rubber, much more will fly away ... then the throats will think about it. It is bad that we will suffer, but how else to reason the idiots.

[Ermak]

This is the whole point, the roads will not get better. But we will receive replenishment of the "budget".

From the experience of communicating with them, I know that the salary for those who work for a car company exceeds fifty thousand rubles a month, and for those who have their own car, the salary goes well beyond a hundred. Why am I writing this? Not in order to get into someone else’s pocket, but in order to not knowledgeable people give a complete picture of the situation.

This is called a climb.
In general, I'm tired of this system of fines. They are fined where necessary and not necessary. Replenish the "budget".
A man received a salary, unfastened it everywhere, bought milk - the same tax paid, invested in the cost, tax again for travel, clothing tax again. Since the collapse of the USSR, most of the state’s obligations to the citizen have been canceled, and the number of taxes has increased so that no one considered it. Moreover, it is increasing. In the USSR, responsibility in production was less, and there were fewer accidents, and why? but because there was social responsibility, the main emphasis was on warning and not on penalties or imprisonment. In short, whatever GDP would do on foreign policy (he’s done well in this), but state. the system is rotten. Because an assessment is made of the utility of a person as a slave, and not as a full-fledged citizen (personality). It is necessary to create an ideological society with a system of values ​​based on Russian and already Soviet culture. So to say, take the best and plant, develop. The USSR set its model as a model for other countries and equaled it, while the United States continues to broadcast its rotten system around the world, and what are we now?

A tree is judged not by its beauty, but by its fruits. When there are many contradictions in the results (in the fruits), you begin to doubt honesty. Maybe this is the line or indicator of the sovereignty of the country, and everything else, so blur the eyes of their slaves.

[Andrea]

Quote: Ermak
A tree is judged not by its beauty, but by its fruits. When there are many contradictions in the results (in the fruits), you begin to doubt honesty. Maybe this is the line or indicator of the sovereignty of the country, and everything else, so blur the eyes of their slaves.

Yes, you sir idealist!
I completely agree with you, but capitalism is like that! With an animal grin.
Again ... did we start to live worse? 20 years ago we did not know what traffic jams were and there was no problem finding a parking place. And in Soviet times, it was impossible to leave the car in the yard, because, instantly, they would twist something.

[Ermak]

It’s such a life, there are pluses everywhere, there are also minuses. Something worse has become, something better is important the overall result. For me, the growth of production and agriculture is the main indicator (overall result). An example of such growth was already in the 20-30s of the last century. You can pay for the roads, but the obligations must be mutual (I mean the state and the citizen).

[Pharao7766]

Kutsay’s article is sort of ... purely shit ...
As a simple man in the street (car owner) I agree that you have to pay for the roads, for repairs and maintenance (since such a booze has gone). And the more tonnage, the more you pay (TONARs for ***). And the price should be adequate, with real calculations, and not like "I want 1,53r / km, I want 3,06r / km"
BUT! Pay state, and not a gang x * p understand someone sucked to the feeder.

Yes, And foreign trucks have to pay too.

[starshina78]

I agree with Maxim that if the money went on the road, then okay, but every year 10 billion. rubles with kopecks will go to the developer company, and this is not enough. And yet - the roads are broken not so much by trucks as by not observing the construction technology of these roads. Even when I was studying at MADI (road construction was not my main discipline, but we had lectures on road construction), the professor said that roads in the USSR are bad because there is complete non-compliance with construction technology. Then it was due to the fact that there was a good bonus for saving materials (the rest was stolen), and now, with the appointment of a competition for the construction of a certain section of the road, the winner is the one who charges a lower construction cost. At the same price of supplies, fuel, and other expenses, where does the lower cost come from? So there will be savings in road building materials, less will be the wages of workers, and so on. What about quality? No way! With our corruption, quality can be done by anyone. And take asphalt samples in the right place (everyone saw the sawn squares on the road, they check the thickness of the asphalt layer and the density of the rolling), and drill into layers and roll layers. Everything can be, and then blame truckers for breaking roads. For some reason, the roads laid before the war are intact in Germany. There is only one reason - for non-compliance with the technology there was shot.

[dvina71]

Wow, how many truckers are on the forum .. Let’s explain something ... as a professional.
1. Overloads. They are not taken from = rape of a car. Coupling capacity up to 35t, there are 45 tons. However, the carrying capacity on our roads is limited by the state. And with this limitation, the hitch capacity is not more than 23-24t. Where did the broken frames come from ... for me is a mystery.
2. Shadow income. Five years have sunk into oblivion. Most carriers work under contracts, receive payment by bank transfer. And where is the shadow money?
2. Introduction of payment for the road. It does not milk us. And the whole country. Everyone who goes to the shops. Because any customer will increase the price while increasing costs. And we will all pay for it.
For carriers, the problem is different. The system is not worked out and constantly crashes, there are no trackers. As a result ... the usual rhythm of work is destroyed, there is a shortage of transport. The result is an increase in the cost of transportation not by 3%, but noticeably more.
Well, the conclusion.
Over the past year, we (carriers) have been pleased, first with tachographs. Which, with our roadside infrastructure, are completely useless and even harmful. Trucks standing on the tachograph on the side of the road do not add. And they are standing there.
Well, road tolls. Between the case .. it has already been taken for a long time. In the price of each liter of fuel, at the gas station one ruble goes straight to the budget of the road workers. What prevented you from adding another ruble and not blocking the garden with plato.? The riddle ..

[kashtak]

"Wow, how many truckers are on the forum .. Let's clarify something ... as a professional." question to a professional. how to correlate point 1 with point 2 and the comments below about 100% overload and associated cargo taken on the road.

[rpek32]

The government wants to rob truckers to replenish the pockets of the oligarchs. What does the oligarch have to do with it at all, if the money replenishes the treasury and goes to repair the roads.

an extra item of income to the treasury is an extra possibility of theft from it.

[2s1122]

But after all, in Belarus, the M-1 Moscow-Brest highway and some other tolls and some truckers don’t cry. And now compare the road.

[Pharao7766]

Michael
As far as I heard in the Republic of Belarus, the system was started by smart people and debugged beforehand, and not through a bang, as they are trying to do here. Well, finances go 100% to the state, I think. (foreigners pay by the way, too)
And the M1 (its Belarusian part) is in an awesome state, I went - I know.

[2s1122]

So at the beginning we had the same buch, supposedly they will put money in our pockets. By the way, at the beginning they took the payment only from beads and trucks, now I don’t know only in the city of yuzayu. In Minsk and longer by train in rsalabone and with beer

[Hardy]

Quote: Makcim

No one, not even truckers, is opposed if the money goes on the road, but how to do it? but this is a completely different story!

For Russia, roads are not just transport arteries. This is what unites the territory into a country. The state, on the contrary, must pay extra for long flights.

[varov14]

Looks like a grant eater and wrote this article. I don't know the essence of things, but I will not leave a stone unturned from this article. In addition to the pension, neither the state nor anyone else pays any grants. The fate has developed so that in old age you have to wander either Yoburg or Perm, the mileage is the same, about 280 km, as if the number of trucks is increasing. On the other hand, next to the house there is a supermarket, the trucks are unloaded every day, i.e. the store works with wheels and so on throughout the city, now the bases and warehouses of the "district consumer union". And that, I don't know how much the state asks for a km of road from long-distance operators, but I heard on TV in Moscow that a toll road was introduced - a ruble km. Those. from each truck that will bring food to our city, and they carry from both - 560 rubles, multiply by 30 and subtract from 50000 thousand earnings. Fuck .. for that kind of money to tear your ass, I personally fall out of a completely comfortable car dead, though I'm 69, but all the same. And the trucks and vodka, this is generally for de.bilov, how many traffic police posts they have passed, so after all, you can carry drugs in trucks. When taxes from the ruble will cease to leave 17 kopecks in our city, maybe normal roads will appear. It seems that money for concrete rings around Moscow began to run out, But I don't even need them for x ...

[RBLip]

Quote: varov14

That's when the ruble of taxes for our city will cease to leave 17 cents,

put you a plus. but I’ll add, when from the remaining 17 kopecks the local bureaucrats cease to put 12 kopecks in their pocket, then the roads will appear ...

[Tor5]

Not an expert, but one moment is alarming. Almost all of us are car drivers. Have you noticed that rutting is always only in the left lane? Have you seen a lot of trucks driving on the far left? So who breaks and crushes the roads?

[NORILCHANIN]

The power that the Russians possessing to us have hung so many noodles and continue to hang about roads and means on roads. According to fairy tales from the authorities in Russia, roads from
metal dredges are dumped and rebuilt, in fact, their roads like this
and no. Only katedzh settlements built on funds will grow and improve
stolen from the road fund by bureaucrats of various stripes and ranks.

[roadsmell]

Quote: Makcim

No one, not even truckers, is opposed if the money goes on the road, but how to do it? but this is a completely different story!

So we are preparing ALL from 16-17 to lie under an incomprehensible sharaga with an authorized capital of 100 pipes:
She already has EVERYTHING and is prepared for EVERYONE. Moreover, both on regional and federal roads.

It remains only to activate.

The author of the article is a huge minus for the bias and one-sided thinking !!!!!

[GRAY]

Quote: roadsmell

She already has EVERYTHING and is prepared for EVERYONE.

As it became clear on the eve of “URA.Ru”, during the registration process in “Plato”, the user of the system can choose, in addition to trucks, such modes of transport as a bus, van and even a passenger car.

Rashkin and Obukhov intend to find out from the Ministry of Transport whether it is planned to introduce any other fee for using roads, similar to the fee levied on owners of heavy vehicles.

Meanwhile, the day before, the director of external communications of RT-Invest Transport Systems Polina Lisitsyna informed our agency that tabs with the option to select the type of vehicle were removed from the "personal accounts" of users of the Platon system. This is due to the fact that the service applies only to freight vehicles with a permitted weight of over 12 tons.

[roadsmell]

Meanwhile, the day before, the director of external communications of RT-Invest Transport Systems Polina Lisitsyna informed our agency that tabs with the option to select the type of vehicle were removed from the "personal accounts" of users of the Platon system. This is due to the fact that the service applies only to freight vehicles with a permitted weight of over 12 tons.

And the operators in the centers of pluto say that the fines were canceled and so far you can ride without route maps

I’ll tell you a little secret - this is one way to reduce the degree of tension in the current situation.

[Vikings]

I will explain to you how! To establish from among the truckers themselves
kov community council for raising money, transparency, collecting
amount, and on which specific sections of the infrastructure
know how to spend money. Well, and a regular audit of funds!

[RUS96]

........................................

[Serg koma]

When you take it away from one and distribute it to everyone, it does not happen to anyone. And do you know why? God is watching. Highest justice ... From a person who takes from another, something like this happens in the soul. He can’t work already. Can make speeches, vote, write letters, denunciations. Looking for someone else to take ...

M. Zhvanetsky

[Hon]

Quote: Makcim

No one, not even truckers, is opposed if the money goes on the road, but how to do it? but this is a completely different story!

funny situation, not so long ago began to collect transport tax, at the rate of hp they said that the money will go on the road etc. the money went, we didn’t see the roads. now here is PLATO. in a couple of years they’ll come up with some kind of Gerasim.
the message is good, truckers make good money, you have to pinch them, otherwise it’s bold.

[Aleksandr2012]

Here's how I can not believe that all the money will go to repair the roads. In Russia we live.

[good7]

Don’t tell me that in recent years the roads have become better, but in our country and not in Switzerland you can’t asphalt everything!

[97110]

Quote: good7

you will not asphalt everything!

And that's all. I know recently paved roads to farms, where God forbid 5 residential yards. Simply hard coating is enough for the eyes, i.e. crushed stone. And PSD is not required for the price of construction work on an improved paved road. The presence in the founders of the Rothenburg structure also haunts me. even if there is a different surname, the Soviet man will be indignant anyway. Over a quarter of a century, they were convinced that an effective owner is one that will go to any crime for a rate of profit of ___% (read by K. Marx). And what of the profit calculated by their accountants will go to the development of production, and what to pay dividends, we also guess. In the crystal honesty of the project participants, we have no doubt for a moment, we are only talking about completely legal opportunities within the Federal Law on joint-stock companies.

[Manul]

Quote: 97110

The presence in the founders of the Rothenburg structure also haunts me.

But is Plato compensation for the Crimean bridge?

[Tatar 174]

Even if this money goes to repair roads, the roads will continue to be repaired every year and nothing will change. It is necessary to change the whole system and procedure for the construction and repair of roads, and switch to financing guarantee repairs at the expense of the contractor who built these roads. If desired, contractors can build good roads that do not collapse in a year, but theft of funds at different stages of the construction chain plays a very large role. A guarantee system can improve the situation.

[podpolkovnik]

Quote: Alexander2012

Here's how I can not believe that all the money will go to repair the roads. In Russia we live.

[FiremamRescueS]

All will not go, but if at least part comes, then it’s already good. After all, we live in Russia. It was always touching when nagging about and without: the tax for long-distance fights is poor, the oligarchs will pocket everything, and beyond the hill, of course, paradise and universal grandeur. People, either try to do something here to make it better, or go to paradise. Why waste the air and the vastness of the web?

[avvg]

Each has their own truth, in my opinion they have no desire to understand each other (trucker and official), to solve this problem in the legal field and are waiting for a good kick.

[andj61]

Quote: avvg

Each has their own truth, in my opinion they have no desire to understand each other (trucker and official), to solve this problem in the legal field and are waiting for a kick.

Well, for example, the driver carries 20 tons of oranges from St. Petersburg to Moscow. We believe that paid - 800 km. How much is there for 1 km from the nose? 1,53 until the end of February, 3,06 rubles from March 2016. Total we consider: 1,53x800 = 1224 rubles. Divide this amount by 20000 - we get a rise in price of 1 kg of oranges - 1224: 20000 = 0,0612 rubles! And since March 1 - twice as much - as much as 12 kopecks per 1 kg. How much do our oranges cost? In Bryansk - from 60 to 110 rubles - depending on the variety, country of origin, quality, distribution network. And these hundredths of a percent of the total price on the final price of the product simply can not influence. So the statement that everything will go up does not stand up to criticism: it just depends on the desire of the seller’s left heel to a much greater extent.
So the author is right: the carrier companies do not want control, even if such, of their activities. Only now you need to spend the collected money exclusively on roads - control over this should be tight - you cannot disagree with this.

[user1212]

Who really thinks that the reason for the truckers' protest is concern about the retail price of the products? Do not make me laugh. The first is, of course, the difficulties with the "leftist". The transport company will not pay for the extra kilometers that the driver drove for the sake of "hitting the dough." The second is the correspondence of the route to the waybill. It is more difficult to transport contraband, more precisely, it is easier to track it down. The third is the difficulty with the transportation of cargo, which will not be included in the reporting on the activities of the enterprise (this is the one that is paid in cash in the hands of the TC management). The cost of a kilometer is not that great compared to the cost of fuel.

However, there are also "oddities" in this system. Why is the money transferred not to the state, but to Gazprombank, to the account of RT-Invest TS LLC? Why is the federal system launched without bringing it to mind (it is "buggy" well) and without making a test input of the system, limiting itself to a few areas? How was the system operator chosen and why was there no open tender? Why ONE operator-monopolist was chosen and competition is not ensured? When, finally, the organization that repairs the road will be responsible for its condition? I would like to get clear answers to these questions. Although what am I talking about. We already know them very well ...

[Teplohod]

I believe that truckers have more convincing arguments

[Koldunja]

Quote: user1212

However, there are also "oddities" in this system. Why is the money transferred not to the state, but to Gazprombank, to the account of RT-Invest TS LLC?

The system is not bad, but this fact alone puts an end to people's trust in it.

[Cat man null]

Quote: user1212

Why is the money transferred not to the state, but to Gazprombank, to the account of RT-Invest TS LLC?

And that's why:

Quote: user1212

(it "glitches" well)

Now this is not a headache of the state, but the problems of a private company. Gazprom, Transneft - it is from the same opera.

Quote: user1212

Why they launch the federal system ... without making a test input of the system, limiting itself to several areas

I wonder how this can be done. IMHO, the traffic through these "test areas" (and in them directly, by the way) would be significantly reduced .. on the second day of "testing".

Quote: user1212

Why is ONE monopoly operator chosen and competition not ensured?

I wonder how you imagine the competition in this area? These are not Internet providers (each has its own network), and not telephone (each also has its own network), or even trade (each sells its own goods. Separately and separately), these are federal roads. How two or more offices can "compete" there - I personally just do not understand

Quote: user1212

I would like to get clear answers to these questions. Although what am I talking about. We know them so well ...

Um ..

[97110]

Quote: andj61

Only now you need to spend the collected money exclusively on the road

Is the operation of the Plato system included in the "exclusively on the road"? Are there salary limits for the personnel serving this system? The result is a raspberry-raspberry that is not regulated by the current legislation. I didn't read what they wrote down in the concession. And so I know that the staff of the sovereign does not offend itself (with the appropriate status, ess-but), with all the quite legitimate talks about the need to regulate something and somehow restrict it. And in the joint-stock company there is a meeting of shareholders for this, where the owner of the controlling stake will say so.

[andj61]

Quote: 97110

Is the operation of the Plato system included in the "exclusively on the road"?

The conversation was, for my part, about charging a fee or not, and not about HOW this is being done in our country.
But it is done through one place - one cannot but agree with this.
"We wanted the best, but it turned out, as always!"

[Teplohod]

When the price of gas rose, the carriers still did not have time to raise their own, and the supplier had already managed with the reason that gasoline had risen in price, and he had your calculations about the shares to a known place. He can buy this product at a neighboring factory, and justify a new price, as he played by notes, and you write numbers ...

[andj61]

Quote: Teplohod

When the price of gas rose, the carriers still did not have time to raise their own, and the supplier had already managed with the reason that gasoline had risen in price, and he had your calculations about the shares to a known place. He can buy this product at a neighboring factory, and justify a new price, as he played by notes, and you write numbers ...

So am I about the same ...

Quote: andj61

So the statement that everything will rise in price does not stand up to criticism: it simply depends on the desire of the seller’s left heel to a much greater extent.

[Aleksander]

Quote: andj61

So the author is right: the carrier companies do not want control - even if this is so - over their activities. Only here, you need to spend the money collected exclusively on the road - control over this should be tight - you cannot disagree with this

So let the STATE do this, and not give up this business to any LLC and HAHAHA. The wild-gathering situation is appointed by the state, but the private collector. Let's give taxes to private owners at the mercy ....

[Winter cherry]

Collects an investor who invested in construction

[andj61]

Quote: Aleksander

So let the STATE do this, and not give up this business to any LLC and HAHAHA. The wild-gathering situation is appointed by the state, but the private collector. Let's give taxes to private owners at the mercy ....

In my post, the simplest calculation of the insolvency of the statement that THIS will lead to any noticeable - on the part of consumers - price increases is given.
And as for your arguments - I fully support them: Rosavtodor, or the transport inspectorate, that is, government agencies, and not some obscure LLCs, should be involved in fundraising. OJSC, etc.
Moreover, the control over the weight characteristics of the transported goods is now assigned to the transport inspection.

[user1212]

Quote: Aleksander

The wild-gathering situation is appointed by the state, and the private collector

Here the question is that the state does not have a system capable of tracking the movements of trucks, and creating such a ministry is to cut another ministry with a sickly staff, which will be eaten up by dirt and all "profits". But the alternative operators should be

[andj61]

Quote: user1212

Quote: Aleksander

The wild-gathering situation is appointed by the state, and the private collector

Here the question is that the state does not have a system capable of tracking the movements of trucks, and creating such a ministry is to cut another ministry with a sickly staff, which will be eaten up by dirt and all "profits". But the alternative operators should be

We have a transport inspection with weight control. Put the same system on the control points of the ETU - and practically no one needs to be involved. Well, perhaps specialists for the maintenance of the system.

[Teberii]

I would like to believe that the money will go for repairs and nowhere else.

[Alez]

In any case, the increase should go in stages. 1 ruble 2015 g, 1,5 ruble 2016, 2 ruble 2017 g, etc.
The most interesting thing is why the trucker must pay for the road that has one name, in Siberia, in the Far East or for the death track of M5 Chelyabinsk.

[Teberii]

In any case, truckers will add transportation prices, that's all. That's why they are silent.

[bubalik]

Alez SU  Today, 08: 41
In any case, the increase should go in stages. 1 ruble 2015 g, 1,5 ruble 2016, 2 ruble 2017 g, etc.

The State Duma proposed to introduce a moratorium on collecting from heavy trucks until the 2017 year

A bill was introduced in the State Duma that envisages the introduction of a moratorium on the collection of tolls from heavy trucks until January 1 of 2017. This is evidenced by documents on the website of the lower house of parliament

The truck levy system with a maximum authorized weight of more than 12 t began work on November 15. According to the new standards, until February 29 2016, the amount of the fee will be 1,53 rubles. for 1 km, from March 1 of 2016 of the year until the end of 2018 of the year, the fee will be 3,06 rubles. for 1 km.

[Murking]

Money from Plato has already been made to the budget, so there will be no cancellations, strikes will not help, cars from the penalty box will be especially zealous to pick up.

[97110]

Quote: Alez

In any case, the increase should go in stages.

In Soviet times, the introduction of any new system began with trial operation - it used to implement ACS once. It would be nice to start now with catching bugs in software, and not with the announcement of fines.

[Waterfowl]

! Due to the introduction of the Platon system, products in our stores will go up in price.

Haha Are truckers already taking care of my pocket?
I think it’s done right, pay.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Waterfowl

Haha Are truckers already taking care of my pocket?

If objectively, the cost of transportation will increase, and take off the prices on the final counter.

[Murking]

Everything has been calculated for a long time, an increase of 0.1 percent. Plato already works for 60 percent of long-range battles, there is no increase.

[mpzss]

I will correct:
COST of transportation will increase! the cost will remain the same, it can be traced by the price of gasoline and diesel fuel, their prices are rising, and the cost of transportation practically does not change!

[ivan48857]

Our prices are rising for any reason, because there is no pricing control and truckers have nothing to do with it.

[97110]

Quote: ivan48857

that there is no pricing control

And there is no law permitting it. We live in a comfortable, capitalistic society.

[Corsair]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

If objectively, the cost of transportation will increase, and take off the prices on the final counter.

If objectively, then with the amount of goods that they transport per move, the price of the goods should grow by 20-30 cents. Goods from a very large dalnyak are already being sold quite cheaply - there, transportation charges and other components increase the price several times.

[Waterfowl]

As if you hadn't grown up before? How much is the price of, say apples from Krasnodar, transport components? An acquaintance of mine carries cargo in a foreign car from Magnitogorsk at a price of 36 rubles. per km. The customer pays him, for example, to Moscow (2000 km) and, attention, back (4000 in total). And he takes back the passing cargo at the same price per km to Samara, to Ufa, etc. and earns a lot of money. But he does not want to pay "trifle" for travel on federal roads. Note that the Magnitogorsk - Ufa highway (400 km) is not a federal highway.
In Germany, they also pay and much more.

[andj61]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Waterfowl

Haha Are truckers already taking care of my pocket?

If objectively, the cost of transportation will increase, and take off the prices on the final counter.

Of course, they will grow: 10 kopecks per kilogram. Our traders will use this only to raise prices by 10 percent! And this will not be objective at all!

[44 World]

Distribution chains make a markup on goods much more than PLATO

[Boos]

Listen to you, so that officials care about our pockets? I am for truckers, they are the people.

[kashtak]

Quote: Waterfowl

Haha Are truckers already taking care of my pocket?

yes everything is simpler. truckers care not about yours, but about their pockets. and taking care of it will most likely raise transportation rates. further down the relay, these costs will reach you and me. and there are questions with the "left" transportation. to whom "left" transportation, to whom the passing cargo. unless it is, of course, smuggling and transportation of prohibited goods. here is the fact that truckers' protest is used by "belolentochniki" is a serious question. the question is what to oppose such demagoguery. it is not so much a matter of the "Plato" system as a way to attract attention to oneself by taking pictures against the background of any (often inflated) problem. you know the principle "initiative is punishable by execution". if the politician knows that he can be brought to execution with possible responsibility. then the number of such shares is likely to fall. as they say criticize, offer.

[Roman1970]

So all this rebellion looks very bloated by grant-eaters and supporters of Maidan in Russia.

But for me, nothing like that. It looks like a riot of people who want to get into their pocket. The work of truckers is far from sugar, if anyone does not believe, let him try it. And in the end, all this whistle will turn up in rising prices for goods and products that are already not small. The article, by the way, looks clearly paid.

[Murking]

They climb only to gray, normal long-distance fights have already registered in Plato (600000 trucks). All the increase goes to the transportation price, not to the pocket. An example of a dumb draft is for example, why Rotenberg squeezes money, he is a friend of Putin's guard. The answer was a contest where they should have foreign companies enter, but there was a crisis and sanctions and no one entered, the only company that remained and is able to do this using our technology is Rostec and Rotenberg.

[zekaze1980]

Which roads you do not know our officials, is another tale about a white bull.
And the author, was in the shoes of a doller ... I think not, here work behind the wheel, and then write an article!

[Winter cherry]

And you work as an airplane designer or surgeon, for example, then write your comment

[DmitryK]

The article deliberately omitted two of the most important facts:
1. The state is trying to somehow force “gray” carriers to pay taxes for entrepreneurial activity (not for owning a vehicle!)
2. The catalyst for the speeches is more likely not donors, but the state’s self-removal from organizing fees and organizing an open next feeding trough for oligarchs in a form that is humiliating for the population.

[faridg7]

Well, a transport tax is paid for owning a vehicle, but is there a little excise tax on fuel for entrepreneurial activity? Does it work, it eats fuel, it works to the left or to the right, it doesn’t matter — does it eat fuel anyway, why the hell do you fence another garden? owners of vehicles have already taxed with excise tax on fuel, and for the collection there is no need to create another structure, fuel companies, and so will report for each liter sold. Just one more feeding trough is done, and so that the people don’t particularly indignant, we rest on the fact that the sums are cheap (did you see that the patsak was such a mercantile kyu? Danelia.)

[inkass_98]

The goal is good, but the mechanism for its implementation is not visible, the scheme is quite opaque. How will the funds received from the payment collection be distributed, how much will remain in the region, etc.
The number of trucks is really huge, often they create problems for neighbors in the traffic flow. It’s time for us to make roads with three to four lanes in each direction, and a maximum of two is built. And when two loaded smelly toilets at a speed of 50-60 km. trying to overtake each other (and cannot do this), this creates huge problems for movement, especially in the summer season. And about trips in the direction of Sochi along the passes, when each truck is laced along a kilometer-long tail, because education does not allow him to give way - this is a separate song.

[Vita vko]

I am sure that it is not a matter of road charges, but of the Platon system, by which it is easy to calculate the unaccounted turnover of any company. Otherwise, most would have used cheaper rail transport and there would have been such an unlimited number of trucks on the roads.

[STALK1974]

Railway transportation is not very cheap, and even from the railway station it is necessary to deliver the goods even to the final point, and this again is money.

[97110]

Quote: Vita VKO

cheaper rail

Yes Yes. Have you ordered a plan for the cars? Has your representative already equipped the wagons with your cargo? Or do you think that railway owes you something? Here's how to hand over the wagons without cargo residues, and will not use cheaper ones ...

[jovanni]

What does the oligarch have to do with it at all, if the money replenishes the treasury and goes to repair the roads.

This is what causes doubt ...

[have1200]

Quote: Jovanni

What does the oligarch have to do with it at all, if the money replenishes the treasury and goes to repair the roads.

This is what causes doubt ...

Because the Rottenberg brothers are dragging this thing. Friends of the helmsman. No road repairs shine for us. Because they came up with a fundraising system, but there is no way to repair the system for them. Another feeding trough. Sometimes you read comments ... like children. Why so much naivety.

[Murking]

An example of a stupid sketch, let's say why Rotenberg is squeezing money, he’s a guard of Putin’s friend. The answer was a competition where foreign companies were supposed to go, but there was a crisis and sanctions and no one came in, the only company that remained and was able to do this using our technology, This is Rostec and Rotenberg

[Sorokin]

Of course, we will not know the full path of money in full volume. But the fact that the roads in the fall and spring just push through confirm boldly.

[97110]

Quote: Sorokin

But the fact that the roads in the fall and spring just push through confirm boldly.

Participated in the weighing of road trains with crushed stone. Permissible gross weight - 40 tons. I personally saw 76 tons. The transport inspector swore that he had seen more than 100 tons. I’m not talking about axle loads, and so everything is clear. No roads can withstand this operation.

[kashtak]

Quote: 97110

Participated in the weighing of road trains with crushed stone. Permissible gross weight - 40 tons. I personally saw 76 tons. The transport inspector swore that he had seen more than 100 tons. I’m not talking about axle loads, and so everything is clear. No roads can withstand this operation

this is already serious and substantive. but with such an overload, you must not charge a fee, but rights. no?

[97110]

Quote: kashtak

but with such an overload, you must not charge a fee, but rights. no?

The driver's license will be taken away. If the owner of the vehicle is a legal entity, then the fine is up to 450 thousand rubles. If an individual entrepreneur is an order of magnitude less, but without a license and ... - it's still expensive. But the cane, it's scary to look at, the columns of six-axle road trains and not even on federal roads. Residents scribble complaints against, workers in quarries rally "FOR", the Ministry of Transport is quietly silent in a rag, because it is mainly rubble for road construction.

[Sling cutter]

Quote: 97110

The Ministry of Transport is quietly silent in a rag, because basically it is crushed stone for road construction.

On Tuesday, the State Duma’s relevant committee will approve and recommend adopting in the first reading and immediately as a whole a bill on equating motor rallies with demonstrations, and tent camps with picketing. This speed of adoption of laws is uncharacteristic of the Duma and indicates the urgency of the issue for the authorities.
If approved by the State Duma, a demonstration will be deemed "organized public expression of public sentiment by a group of citizens using during transportation, including on vehicles, posters, banners and other means of visual agitation."
Motor rallies can result in spontaneous protests and lead to riots, the authors directly explain the need for innovations in the explanatory note to the bill. The maximum amount of the administrative fine for citizens after tightening the law on rallies for such violations can reach 300 000 rubles, and for legal entities - up to 1 million rubles.
Source: http: //www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/articles/2015/11/30/618995-avtoprobeg
-meetingu

[Rostovchanin]

The transport inspector swore that he had seen more than 100 tons. I’m not talking about axle loads, and so everything is clear. No roads can withstand this operation.

Why are you surprised? This "boy" takes 120 tons of crushed stone on board, although according to the data sheet, 100 tons well, at least he has a load distributed, but KAMAZ grain carriers with extended sides, with an estimated 20, can take up to 55 (I saw it myself)

[Russian Uzbek]

"" "Ha ha! Are truckers taking care of my pocket already?" ""
not just truckers - DAGESTAN truckers !!! the trucks kill the roads the most - let them pay

[sisa29]

These Dagestan truckers bring us watermelons and where kg cost 20 rubles, it will be 25. As a result, we will pay you. All of you correctly said about your pocket, they do not care and they will pay for the roads from your

[Russian Uzbek]

I agree to pay - just let the roads make them normal! and we have our own watermelons ... it's like with "avtomaydan" in Primorye - most of all speculators and second-hand dealers of used cars yelled, the same now - those who can no longer make money out of thin air are yelling

[2s1122]

Do you think that if the repair of a vehicle due to a bad road will fly into the owner in an unlimited number of signs, then a watermelon will cost less navryatli

[kashtak]

Quote: Russian Uzbek

not just truckers - DAGESTAN truckers !!! the trucks kill the roads the most - let them pay

but that the Dagestan carriers have some special trucks?

[andj61]

Quote: kashtak

Quote: Russian Uzbek

not just truckers - DAGESTAN truckers !!! the trucks kill the roads the most - let them pay

but that the Dagestan carriers have some special trucks?

Special: ours are overloaded by 20-30 percent, and they are one hundred percent!

[kashtak]

Quote: andj61

Special: ours are overloaded by 20-30 percent, and they are one hundred percent!

IMHO such lawlessness in the identification must be stopped tightly. Dagestan trucks or not. it’s not just about the road surface, but also about road safety.

[ekebastus]

Why this private intermediary "Plato" ??? And what does it have to do with the roads ???

[andj61]

Quote: ekebastus

Why this private intermediary "Plato" ??? And what does it have to do with the roads ???

The fee is entered correctly, but setting up a private feeder for private traders is just some kind of crap!

[Murking]

The answer was a competition where foreign companies were supposed to go, but there was a crisis and sanctions and no one entered, the only company that remained and was able to do this using our technology was Rostec and Rotenberg

[anderles66]

You know, such questions can be asked a lot. Why register an enterprise, real estate? You can pay that way! Why cash registers? They are trading at the bazaar - and nothing, no one is impoverished. For me it is obvious - this is control. Here are the technology and the performers, and most importantly the result, this is another question.

[bubalik]

,,, in all the main infoagencies news removed ,,,


08:30
Truckers have accumulated on the near approaches to Moscow.

Some of the trucks are located at the parking lot of the Mega shopping center in Khimki, about 2 km from the Moscow Ring Road. Other trucks are scattered across parking lots on a variety of roads. Their exact number is unknown. Also unclear is the time to enter the Moscow Ring Road, which the truck drivers intend to paralyze with the demand to cancel the Platon money collection system. According to the testimony of journalists who travel with the drivers, some talk about blocking the roundabout today, others - about tomorrow. Drivers intend to occupy the right lanes of the Moscow Ring Road and drive at minimum speed
http://silver.ru/news/120599/

[Teplohod]

a couple of crashes and collapse

[Sorokin]

Yes and let. Moscow is not Perm. They’re not going to Vladik through Muscovy.

[Woodman]

An interesting look at this problem, or else listen to the voices of the enemy, so the end of the world is right ...

[avva2012]

Do not listen to enemy voices, otherwise schizophrenia will develop.

[Penzuck]

The site of the PLATO system.
http://platon.ru/ru/about/
We read - and we don’t ask stupid questions.

[FID]

And exactly, truckers paved the road? Or have the roads never been repaired at all? I live in Moscow, truckers have long been banned from entering the MKAD ... Do you think Moscow has mirrored roads ???

[:SCYTHIAN:]

In Moscow, with its traffic from without long-range "breakers" enough. And the law deals with federal highways, so do not confuse God's gift with scrambled eggs.

[Bulrumeb]

Money is allocated abundantly on federal highways, and another thing is that up to 20 percent of the allotted money reaches these highways.

[Teberii]

Roads in the city of Moscow are the headache of the mayor and the administration, and we are talking about federal highways along which everyone is taken to you.

[WUA 518]

Quote: SSI

And exactly, truckers paved the road?

Seryozha welcome. And the notorious rut ​​on the Moscow Ring Road is mainly in the left lane, where the wagon doesn’t go according to the traffic rules.

[FID]

Quote: WUA 518

Seryozha welcome.

Hello, Sasha! Very happy, very happy to meet you !!!! I usually get it somehow, rarely intersect with you ... That’s exactly what I meant, the roads are not broken by heavy trucks, but by poor construction and poor maintenance ... And collecting from heavy trucks, despite the efforts to accuse them of large salaries (by the way, no one writes about the salaries of tops in state-owned companies, although their work does not correspond ...), will fall on us, as it is now fashionable to say, consumers ...

[WUA 518]

Quote: SSI

but poor construction and poor maintenance ..

Truth Seryozha. Every time I try to count how many times a year the asphalt is laid on a brick, and every time I lose count. And the summer lawlessness with the extension of the sidewalks? It turns out we have problems with pedestrian traffic, and not with the organization of car traffic. Truly gold roads! For some reason, everything is done in the direction of the corruption component, and not in the direction of improvement.

[STALK1974]

These are jeeps of oligarchs !!! The MKAD is built with a violation of technology and kickbacks, this is no longer a secret. Thank you comrade Luzhkov and K.

[Kirgoudou]

What is not the motivation for the transition from milking truckers to milking the owners of cars ...
But it’s precisely this garbage and it’s underground that will be laid in the motivation for legalized robbery and cars!
Trucks are just a test step ...
They are thinking ...

[Murking]

Wagons inflict 90 percent of the damage, carried out research and roads in Moscow are normal. In general, this proposal uses a typical substitution of concepts for stupid ones, if the roads were never re-established, you would ride a sled.

[Kirgoudou]

On a fig such roads are built that do not hold the standard weight of the truck? AND?
Can I transfer to bicycles so that my head about ruts does not hurt?
Who is stupid, it's still how to look ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: Kirgoudou

do not hold the standard weight of the truck?

Do not hold, basically, double and more .. read the discussion, learn a lot of new

Quote: Kirgoudou

In fig, such roads are being built

They told you above ..

Quote: murking

conducted research and normal roads in Moscow

Quote: Kirgoudou

Who is stupid, this is how to look ..

Um ...

[nemec55]

I completely agree with the author I myself know about 10 dalnyaks very well Life is comfortable, the roads break this fact on my face I ride on the highway three through three on my passenger car and I see very well how the road gets killed during the harvest season or transportation of rubble with KZ. Plato them to help.

[Irbis77]

Partly the author is right, heavy trucks really spoil public roads. but judging by a different topic, namely, where the fines of the traffic police are sent, it’s not clear, there is a dark forest, and not a little money, in total for ten years it was possible to build a highway from Brest to Sakhalin. Naturally, professional drivers had a clear idea that - how much money, give it anyway, roads will not get any better.

[Mihalich17]

Quote: zekaze1980

Which roads you do not know our officials, is another tale about a white bull.
And the author, was in the shoes of a doller ... I think not, here work behind the wheel, and then write an article!

In your opinion, that only those who are there can write on the topic of our Syrian campaign?!?)))
You are wrong, comrade! Think about it.

... Thanks for the petty minus delivered, zekaze1980!))))

[sisa29]

in this case, how would you react to an article about a Syrian company where would the author begin to discuss the salaries of pilots and compare that they live richer than ordinary Russians?
Totally incorrect, custom article

[R-22]

you are the author 17 year then do not touch

[Ilya77]

Now the fashion is this - you begin to resent when they get into your pocket - they call him a grant-eater and a fifth column. When you indicate that officials are stealing, you are a liberal and a white pet. The theater of absurdity is full, they spend 5 billion a year on roads, and as if these 620 or 40 billion will save the situation. And now they are clamping with a communal apartment, we have introduced a major overhaul and another trace. the years for MSW will still be separately ripped off - it turns out if I retort I will be the fifth column? Why are our people abroad smart, and in their own country the very intolerable conditions themselves are created by their actions and inaction.

[Flinky]

620 billion are spent on roads per year

Does the Proof make it difficult to give this figure?

with the next years for solid waste will still be ripped apart

The fee for the export of solid waste is already separate ... What is the squeal about?

[sisa29]

Of course, long-range is the fifth column, not otherwise! Well, the author also calculated how much they earn and that they live in chocolate. One somehow hesitated to compare their living conditions. It seems to me one of the most difficult and unappreciative professions. Constantly without a house, in the mud, without a normal bed, stress ...! God forbid such work. And in the salary of 100000 thousand it’s certainly true, but dirty. Of this money and fuel are bought and spare parts and the traffic police feeds and you need to eat yourself on the road. How much does a wheel cost for a road train? for 10 000 rubles, and there are from 14 pieces. And do not replace the oil with a 5 liter canister.

[Million]

Tales of the Nightingale of the robber turn into reality

[CONTROL]

"Truckers"! what are they?
a) mobile - well, yes, they are "armed" with heavy heavy vehicles (they can create problems with blocking highways;
b) armed - many, in order to transport safety, issue permits for a smoothbore (for a rifled "illegal" - not a problem ...);
c) with good "bucks", often tax-free, often - just an obvious "black cash" ...
d) with good communication, and not only by "mobiles" ... and there is a radio!;
e) they are sufficiently cooperated, due to good material security, they are solidarized; They have, as is quite rightly shown in the article, a persistent (albeit objectively false) conviction of their own rightness: how come I, the working class, and my money, have been earned by real labor. Pasha like Papa Carlo! ... and you won’t object - well, almost ... not right away ...;
f) have a good education (due to profession);
g) are accustomed to breaking the law - crime; You can't just scare them with "law enforcement officers" ...
... Well, and still there ...
... Sixth - transport! - column? ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: CONTROL

c) with good "bucks", often tax-free, often - just an obvious "black cash" ...

Then tell me, how much long-distance truck gets per kilometer?

Quote: CONTROL

due to good material security -

Have you tried to drive 1000 miles a day driving French?

Quote: CONTROL

g) are accustomed to breaking the law - crime; You can't just scare them with "law enforcement officers" ...

Yeah, mafia, damn it. Men work and earn!

Quote: CONTROL

... Sixth - transport! - column? ...

6 ward?

[CONTROL]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Yeah, mafia, damn it. Men work and earn!

... minus? or "minus?"
... penetrated, then! popalovo ...
Have you tried to drive 1000 miles a day driving French?
... tried it! it turned out! ... and - not one day ... and not two, and not three ... More than three - I can not count ...
driving a french
Is it that "jacket" that with its "molded" rubber wears the road into dust? cuts through the ruts ... Forward, to unknown routes!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: CONTROL

... minus? or "minus?"

I don’t know, I didn’t give you a minus.

Quote: CONTROL

Is it that "jacket" that with its "molded" rubber wears the road into dust?

Yeah, so answer the question. How long does it get for a kilometer of the way, well, you are on any subject in the know.

[faridg7]

Minus from me

Quote: CONTROL

) mobile - well, yes, they are "armed" with heavy heavy vehicles (they can create problems with blocking highways;

People actually work and there is no time to do this whim.

Quote: CONTROL

b) armed - many, for the safety of transportation, issue permits for a smoothbore

Well, at the beginning of 2000 (then I worked for the long-haul), you would try to shove the barrel in the Far East, I think now it’s not much easier

Quote: CONTROL

c) with good money

Here you can argue, and about the quantity and about the leftist. I work with truckers, well, I don’t see good grandmothers, if they work fine, then of course there is money, but these guys work out every ruble in full, although the money there is not big. plankton in offices often earns no less

Quote: CONTROL

d) with good communication, and not only by "mobiles" ... and there is a radio!;

How without communication? It was pounded diesel in the wilderness of the taiga, stood and asked all passing by to call the chief. without communication it’s hard for everyone

Quote: CONTROL

e) they are sufficiently cooperated, due to good material security, they are solidarized;

Security is nothing at all, but it brings together hard work and mutual assistance. In my time, just passing a standing truck and not asking about the reason for downtime or without an offer of help was bad form.

Quote: CONTROL

f) have a good education (due to profession);

Many had a good education in the Soviet Union, with which the Ministry of Education is now actively fighting, and to no avail. But what about bad education?

Quote: CONTROL

g) are accustomed to breaking the law - crime; You can't just scare them with "law enforcement officers" ...

Here is the minus for this. I didn’t violate laws, why I should be afraid of law enforcement officers, and indeed why I should be afraid of something. If in the form of an Mchudak, then he should know that he is a Mchudak.

[Rostovchanin]

Have you tried to drive 1000 miles a day driving French?

French is heavenly, you would drive a pipe-carrier with a semi-trailer in the Urals, only here you will "feel" all the charm!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Rostovchanin

you would drive a semi-trailer in the Urals

God was merciful

[97110]

Quote: Rostovchanin

you would be in the Ural Pipeline

From the western industrial zone, we went to Chaltyr on a pipe-layer for vodka. But directly, the roads were not affected. Rostov, ess-no.

[mpzss]

Regarding the "rich" truckers:
Yes, those who work for a company, then their salary ranges from 30 to 100 thousand rubles, I agree, but the one who has this ONLY type of income, that is, a "private trader" for that kind of money should not get out of the cab for months, except to eat, to wash and relieve myself, I explain, I have a brother "private trader" and I see how he works! mainly Perm-Yekaterinburg, distance 360 ​​km, the tariff ranges from 25 to 40 thousand rubles, we deduct diesel fuel 9 thousand rubles, minus food in a roadside cafe 2 times 1200 - 1300 rubles, minus spare parts (MAN 1999 car) about 5- 10 thousand each trip (mostly wheels), which is the remainder: let's take an average of 32,5-9-1,25-5 = 17,25 thousand rubles. It's okay if the flight is loaded in both directions, then the flight is considered profitable, but most often the return flight (loading) has to wait from 2 to 3 days, and so almost always. I don’t want to say that he is poor, it’s just not necessary to say that "private traders" row money with a shovel!
Regarding "Platon": yes, I agree that some form of tax on heavy goods is needed, but in this case it turns out a double tax: vehicle tax plus mileage tax, yes, I forgot, the tax is included in gasoline! it turns out a triple tax! Therefore, the hype.
And on the other hand, I spoke with my brother about this and he said that, in principle, at this stage 1,5 rubles from km. not deadly, but we had another question with him:
WHO SPONSORS THOSE LONG-STRIKERS WHICH ARE BAST !? WHERE DO THEY TAKE MONEY? FROM FAMILY? I DO NOT BELIEVE!
THEY HAVE BEEN STRIKING FOR 2 WEEKS, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY THEY LOST !? YES FOR THIS MONEY (LOST) IT WAS POSSIBLE TO WORK WITH "PLATO" FOR A YEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!
we conclude:
This is an artificially created situation that is aimed at undermining the situation of the country!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: mpzss

mainly Perm-Yekaterinburg, the distance is 360 km, the tariff ranges from 25 to 40 thousand rubles

1 The driver receives a fee for 1 km of the track, regardless of whether it goes empty or with cargo and the owner of the truck pays him.

Quote: mpzss

we deduct diesel fuel 9 thousand rubles,

2. Do not deduct, the fuel is paid by the commerce who needs to transfer the cargo.

Quote: mpzss

, minus eat in a roadside cafe 2 times 1200 - 1300 rubles

3. Food and its own.

Quote: mpzss

minus spare parts (MAN car 1999 release) p

The driver does not pay for the repair of the car - the owner of the company pays for the repair. Otherwise, you will not find someone who wants to work for you to work as a driver.

[STALK1974]

Here we are talking about when the owner himself is driving! And the car is as old as a mammoth ....

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: STALK1974

Here we are talking about when the owner himself is driving!

I already wrote in this thread about the owners.

[sisa29]

If it is a private trader then who pays for the repair?
Payment of fuel from your own pocket t. There are established tariffs for transportation from point A to B and the customer will not pay additional fuel for you.
There is no vacation or vacation.
A private trader goes empty and no one pays him the road, and they live in parking lots for weeks waiting for a passing cargo and not the fact that he will find home and will not go to the other side of the country.

[mpzss]

I'm telling you about a "private trader" who works through a dispatcher!
And about "gets paid per km of the way" ... well, well! see for yourself, you can find a carrier who will deliver your cargo for 1000 rubles, while another will deliver the same cargo for the same distance for 1500 rubles! so you don’t need to explain to me how they are paid, I repeat, my brother is engaged in long-range operations, so I know all this!
And yet, you know, the owner of the company, whose load you are carrying, no matter where and how you will refuel, how you will repair your car, these are not his problems, but the problems of the owner of the car, and the owner is my brother! therefore it costs him!

[Teplohod]

Estimate if a long-range fellow declares that he doesn’t feel sorry for his pennies, he is insulted by his power, that’s how it happens.

[WU 37]

The more truckers pay, the more prices will rise. It's just that our salaries do not want to go up. We raised housing and communal services prices, heat, electricity, it is not noticeable that the quality has grown much. Also here, one of the officials will set himself another elite house. AND EVERYTHING !!!

[MAZUTA-42]

and those who have their own car, the salary goes well beyond a hundred.For these 100000r, a month’s drove away and are no longer at home, plus it’s not a car to keep a truck. The price tags for fuel, rubber and other things are significant. And as for finding out where the cargo is, GLONAS is in your hands. My friend has already put his MAZ for fun, does not see the point in further work on it.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: MAZUTA-42

and those who have their own car, the salary goes well beyond a hundred

That is, a person buys a tractor, and its cost with a mileage of 1 km is about 000 rubles. Plus, buying a trailer that is not always less than the tractor itself, or even more, so that you can then turn the steering wheel yourself?

[sisa29]

Perhaps you will be surprised but hundreds of examples! And also loans for a car are returned for years! Well, a man decided to feed his family like this, to the detriment of comfort and pleasure in seeing children every day. Well there is no other job!
Or maybe you think if a person in a car dealership buys a jeep for 2 rubles, then his driver has it?

[mpzss]

and you propose to put someone else's uncle on this car, so that he would "kill" him in a month !? stage passed, it was! They will either merge the solarium and sell it, then they drive it so that the springs on the palms ... If you have at least two of them, then "yes", you can put a hired driver on one (for worse), otherwise you can drive yourself and not at home for months show yourself - "beat off" the money and don't forget to translate home!
But they are on strike, I repeat, for a reason, I have no facts, but just assumptions, a simple driver will give these 1,5 rubles and go! A simple driver needs to feed his family! And not just ride to Moscow, so that you can ride along the Moscow Ring Road! As I understand it, VERY big money goes there, according to the "Plato" system, and just someone was offended that it was not in his pocket!

[sisa29]

So after all, the point of the article is to show that the long-range fatteners and it is correct that they were cut by the ruble. And nobody needs their fucking problems. Here is the fifth column label to hang it always please

[Gray 43]

I remember, I remember TV stories about many kilometers of traffic jams on federal highways after a snowfall and how the officials reacted - the heavy trucks are to blame, since the cars were not "re-shod" for winter tires, the drivers themselves spoke about the stolen money for cleaning, I don't think that with "Platon" it will be different, the more those who are very close to "Himself" are interested, do you think they are worried about the roads ??? Yeah, right now !!!!!! As with the overhaul of housing, the money for which is collected with an active PR company. In my area, the roads suffer not so much from trucks as from timber trucks, which are unlikely to participate in this "action." And in general, we have already experienced the Duma's lawmaking, when the transport tax was included in the cost of fuel, as in Europe, but also the payment was brought for him, we are in Russia.

[Vladimir 1964]

Probably the author really "decided to understand the situation a little", but as a person familiar enough with this situation, I sincerely wonder why a person who is extremely far from what he is writing about even touches on this issue? In his article, Alexander presented the government's decision as a forced and necessary action, and truckers as "pests", which does not fully correspond to reality. There is no "white and fluffy" in this situation. And the government's decision to develop and implement Platon in general raises quite natural thoughts about a banal budget cut, since even if the system does not work, the state, according to the agreement with the developers, will annually transfer several more than 10 billion dollars. rubles to developers for a number of years. This was announced as recently as the day before yesterday by the Deputy Minister of Transport of the Russian Federation. And even talking about improving the quality of roads in our country after the introduction of "Platon" even somehow causes a smile.

[CONTROL]

Quote: Vladimir 1964

In his article, Alexander presented the government's decision as a forced and necessary action, and truckers as "pests", which does not fully correspond to reality. There is no "white and fluffy" in this situation. And the government's decision to develop and implement "Platon" generally raises quite natural thoughts about a banal budget cut,

... And here - I agree! The whole story with Plato looks like a primitive "divorce for suckers" organized by a provincial swindler! ...

[Vladimir 1964]

Quote: CONTROL

... And here - I agree! The whole story with Plato looks like a primitive "divorce for suckers" organized by a provincial swindler! ...

Colleague, well, with all due respect, I cannot agree with the "provincial swindler", here the scale is higher.
Somehow, dear, all across the country.

[Aleksey888]

And what is the size of the road tax for truckers? Thousands for 30, if I’m not mistaken. So that prices will not rise, Nonsense. And the roads will not get any better. Money again sawed by the servants of the people.

[Vikxnumx]

First make a normal punishment system for overload. No options to pay off on the spot!
And as soon as they stop loading 40 ... 50 tons, the track on the roads will disappear.

[trophy]

And I am for "Plato". The rise in the cost of transported products is a bluff. 5000 km for 1.5 rubles to relate to the cost of cargo weighing 20 tons. Dust. It would not hurt to pay esche and transport tax not from the notorious horses, but from the maximum permitted mass and type of transport, but it is better to completely forget. By the way, maybe this "Plato" is a peculiar way to preserve the transport tax on heavyweights while canceling it for everyone else, there were such conversations.

[sisa29]

You think 1,5 rubles is not much. I think you are very naive to argue, today it’s 1,5 to catch on and push through the topic, tomorrow it will be 3, in a year 33

[SADKO72]

Let it be known to you that all the babos first go through the Rotenberg bank, and the system was created by him and one of the founders, his son. That's how long this question will settle in this bank. And the author of the article, apparently, does not know anything about transportation, or he picked up the tops and just GETS about the salaries of truckers, not realizing that the lion's share of the profits is consumed by the service of transport, not to mention the fuel and lubricants, which is constantly only getting more expensive, and the driver's work is not sugar and not a resort for that you have to pay accordingly. No one minds paying for the roads, only you have to do it in a civilized way, and we have given out 365000 devices for large and fat transportations, and let the rest of the minibuses sculpt for themselves, but Plato's site collapses 10 times during the course of time and it is such a pleasure to make a map "" ... 0,64 rubles per km until 2017 !!!!!!!

[your1970]

that is, those KAMAZ and MANA that drive trailers in the springs of which the logs are inserted so as not to break the springs (and do not care for the roads), as well as long-distance ones taking 50rub km * 350 km = 17 500 on GAZelka (transporting things) and incurring own expenses for fuel 3500 = ???? right minus depreciation let 4 000 = 10 000 of the brew per day ...
Stop pushing pity !!!!! they have become impoverished, yeah !!!!
MORE wonderful words - "you have to pay for the roads in a civilized way !!!", everyone agrees, but for some reason no one wants to be an individual entrepreneur, everyone muddies up as pure individuals, so as not to pay taxes at all ...
And there is DAGauto ... in general, a separate song ...

Z.Y. we must wait for higher prices for transportation, they will not miss their dough

[SADKO72]

Well done! The accountant is simple! First you try to buy something to ride and what to carry, find a job, service, pay taxes, give people a salary and calculate the BAKER FOR DAY. And then we have a mono who loves to count other people's money.

[socol562]

The article is absolutely correct long-range is not poor up to 100 thousand freely earned. And the West will go on strike for grants, for any case, will put pressure on Russia just to raise it.

[sisa29]

-Dad vodka has risen in price, now you probably will drink less!
-No son, now you will eat less

[Decathlon]

"... will replenish the treasury ..."
Is it really Russia ?! Yes, you, my friend, an optimist! If we lived in another country, perhaps I would have believed ... And so: if the state needs something from us, it requires calling it the homeland!

[Infernal man]

Well, firstly, about Western grand-eaters and other bulk - if tomorrow they support any movement for the protection of children or the strike of teachers - we will also consider all (teachers and others) accomplices of the West and greedy villains?
The fact that all sorts of "Parnassus" are actively attached to the strike is not to blame. But if it happened so, then they need to try to squeeze out the benefits from this, for example, legal support. Although there are Western henchmen, they are literate henchmen. And since it is impossible to get rid of them, let them work for the good.
Secondly, what kind of custom-made article is that predicting almost mana from heaven from the introduction of additional taxes ???
What repair is expensive? You already pay twice for road repairs - the first time in the transport tax, the second time in the excise tax on fuel (the price is fixed, 7 rubles or something). Plus now they are fined automatically (letters of happiness) godlessly - that is, another trickle flows from there. And this, among other subsidies from the budget, which is allocated specifically for the construction and repair of roads.
Further, all construction work is carried out by private companies. That is why, for some reason, not the slightest doubt that all this money from Plato will flow to the "necessary" firms belonging to some next relative.
In addition, an absolutely clear trend towards the construction of toll roads is visible, i.e. Now pay for its construction, and then another ride on it is paid.
And finally, what is this liberal nonsense about the fact that this will not affect the price tags in stores ??? Our prices creep even from indirect threats, and here we are talking about a direct increase in the cost of any transported product.

The article is a huge minus.

[sisa29]

I absolutely agree with you

[:SCYTHIAN:]

I don’t understand the comments like, but where do the money go we live in Russia. Dear money will go to the Federal budget, from which the federal highways repair is financed (and it’s precisely for them that they charge a fee from long-distance fighting)
In general, all this hysteria is very revealing: the Old Man in Belarus has a fare 2 times higher and no one is buzzing

[Bulrumeb]

Apparently this is also why the old man is called the Führer.

[Murking]

Dad has 9 of our rubles

[SADKO72]

And how many toll roads?

[97110]

Quote:: SKIF:

Dear money will go to the federal budget,

That the money is respected is understandable. The rest makes you feel touched by your naivety. You ignore the words "concession", "tender", "sole participant". How are they sided with the federal budget? Or the remainder after "Platon" from fees from the vehicle more than 12 tons called "respected money"?

[faridg7]

Scythian. Yes, they’ll go to the budget, but from truncated plato, in about the same way that money from the budget will go to roads. Yes, I do not mind the fact that a heavy truck should pay more for the road, but it already pays more in excise taxes on fuel, a truck with an overload pays more for fuel. we already have a system with the ability to pay for roads in proportion to the mass of the car, this is an excise tax on fuel. And then just a real feeding trough is organized.

[Tra-ta-ta]

This second part scares so many truckers ..
Bullshit !!! This part is scary hired drivers.. But the hired driver will not go on strike ..! The owner will not allow him ...

[sunzhenets]

Truckers pay transport tax? That is, road repairs are being financed.
Do they buy fuel? The lion's share of it is excise taxes. That is, road repairs are being funded again.
Now they will finance it for the third time, and the cart will remain there.
And it will hit hardest on small carriers. Who have a car on credit, a trailer on credit.
P.S. And the prices for freight transportation by rail are now such that everyone carries cars ...

[Infernal man]

yes, by the way, I read about this topic, that its supporters are appealing to the Western experience ... Have you been looking at the country map for a long time?
Have you ever traveled around the city? If the western carrier, yes, along good roads, performs the route in a few hours, then we have to choke through the vast, but with detours / crossings. Count how many kilometers there goes for example from St. Petersburg to Chelyabinsk? then figure out how much you need to pay for the flight using the new system ...

[Oleg-S1970]

It’s a very difficult question. You just try to explain to the inhabitants, dear Alexander.
Please tell me, have you never heard before that Russian Railways has recently observed a very weak growth in traffic? But for "simple" auto transportation, it has grown several times in recent years ???
Can you throw links to other politically correct sources too ?? I am not opposed to the introduction of a road tax. I myself am a car driver and really want to drive on good roads, but I just can’t believe that roads will get better with this tax. And the prices in supermarkets have already risen. I have a child and I see very well their growth, well, maybe not all the goods, but they have grown exactly on JUICE.

[nrex]

So much noise out of nothing. Take the calculator and calculate the run of the truck in 1000 km. How much goes to salary, how much will be added over the road. And if this amount of money is added to the weight of the delivered cargo. Believe me, there’s nothing more noise. Just, taking this opportunity, carriers will throw a tenfold increase in the amount of money written off for the road. On the ruts in the asphalt everyone probably likes to ride? The same cars were hacked.))) Do you know that the transport tax on a truck does not exceed the tax on cars? This is true?

[SADKO72]

And consider that a car passes 20-25 thousand per month, and if it’s not one, figure out what will happen in a year, and no one has raised the tariffs for two years already. I am amazed at you. Bookkeepers.

[LVMI1980]

Truckers want to be rich at my expense ...
they broke the road - I pay for the repair of my car
What do you want maidan? Are you coming back from there alive?

(sorry for the emotional- got it)

[Tra-ta-ta]

they paved the road ..
On the one hand, trucks, of course, often overload 7,5 tons / axle; and the damage to our flimsy roads is great.
On the other hand, given that the main transportations are carried by trucks (before introducing draconian measures), you need to think carefully about what the boycott of truckers will result in ...

[SADKO72]

And the road builders did not try to ask a question about the quality of construction and theft? After all, it comes from our car taxes.

[afrikanez]

If we knew 100% that the money would go to repair and build roads, this strike would not exist at all. For some reason, all good deeds at our place immediately begin with theft.

[CONTROL]

Quote: afrikanez

If we knew 100% that the money would go to repair and build roads, this strike would not exist at all. For some reason, all good deeds at our place immediately begin with theft.

... Well, maybe ... well, probably ...
But - talk about "drank", "I and so grandmother crying three times" ... "The excise tax is all in the solarium ..."
... If only someone would be curious, HOW MUCH is the construction 1 KM ROAD?... a new one ... or an overhaul of an existing track! We don't agree to the "patching" anymore?! ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: CONTROL

... If only someone would be curious, HOW MUCH does it cost to build 1 KM ROAD ?.

Which roads exactly? They build in different ways, they can just put a new one on the old asphalt, but if with screed and concrete, as in China, then the price is completely different.

[97110]

Quote: CONTROL

or overhaul of an existing route

Category 4 road 12 lyam km. 2015 plan.

[lexx2038]

The more taxes, taxes and deductions, the more confusion and opportunities to steal, the officials specially muddied the water to catch fish from our pockets. There was a common thought - to include all transport taxes in the cost of fuel. You drive a lot, it means you buy a lot of fuel, you pay, the heavier the car, the more fuel you buy with the tax already included in it, there are no holes, they poher and made articles and laws in which the devil would break his leg. So the servants of the people are sitting, manipulating the double articles of laws with profit in their own pocket.

[AdekvatNICK]

And in Dagestan, a trucker from Belarus was beaten who refused to join the rally.
By the way, there is news that the organizer of the strike of truckers was arrested.
And minus for what the news quoted? )))) Well done.

[seregatara1969]

the article is so-so superficial. only here is the track on the asphalt of roads on the second lane of the associated direction ALWAYS much narrower than the tracks of trucks. this time. the trucks ALWAYS carried groupage cargo (mail) that belonged to different consignees. these are two. axle load of twelve ton two-axle truck that the big one is the same. these are three. and so it can go on for a long time. But no one wants to ask the road builders why it is such a strong and powerful asphalt that fails and makes a rut under the wheels of such small light passenger cars?

[TVM - 75]

The theme of the eaten egg is not worth it. For any truckers will not suffer much, if at all. And much more people suffer from rising gas prices, and major repairs shoes every resident. That's where the robbery is! And you about truckers ...

[Kirgoudou]

Quote: TBM - 75

The theme of the eaten egg is not worth it. For any truckers will not suffer much, if at all. And much more people suffer from rising gas prices, and major repairs shoes every resident. That's where the robbery is! And you about truckers ...

Dear, give the soup separately from the flies.
And every liter of fuel sits excise duty - read, toll ...
And if we are not talking about truckers, then this is like-
If you are not interested in politics, then politics will interest you ...
What already happens with the requisitions drove.

[feniks]

This is just the beginning of paying for the fare for heavy vehicles, in the future the payment will be charged from passenger cars except motorcycles. It was made on purpose, first on truckers to test the Platon system, if it gives a ride, truckers will calm down, will continue to tighten the loop. This protest is not only truckers, and the entire Russian people. It will touch everyone, no one will remain on the sidelines.

Art. 74 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation states:

"The establishment of customs borders, duties, fees and any other obstacles to the free movement of goods, services and financial resources is not allowed on the territory of the Russian Federation."

[Wolka]

colleague, free does not mean free, refresh your memory, look through the textbook right at your leisure ...

[wheel]

By the way, how do you think alcohol without excise stamps, say, from North Ossetia or Dagestan gets to other regions of Russia? What better way to transport it than on trucks in large volumes. Moreover, you can get an additional payment for smuggling. Recently, cases of fatal poisoning with burnt alcohol have repeatedly appeared in the news.

Well, of course, as soon as there are no more truckers, the burnt alcohol will disappear! immediately the criminal directors of the distilleries will become kinder, the police who take bribes on the roads with burnt alcohol will also immediately become honest and further down the chain, the truck driver is the basis of EVIL

Well, the truckers themselves, of course, do not want to repair the roads, which in most cases they destroy.

and the trucker is to blame for bad roads! that is, oligarchs who inexplicably pocketed entire industries and deposited profits into foreign accounts and banks, merging with the oligarchs, the government whose estates abroad have loot and children have no influence on bad roads, but the bastard truck driver must be divided into roads, and where then the money from the sale of oils at prices above 100 bucks? We spend millions of dollars a day on toys in Syria, but the fact that there are no normal roads is the bastard trucker’s fault! Let's exterminate truckers as a CLASS - we'll live like under the USSR, but why didn't there be truckers under the USSR, that's where the source of all troubles is!

[umka571]

The Rotenbergs are great, the authorized capital of a private company is 100 rubles, but they want to raise billions of free money. And after all, someone in the government or the presidential administration is protecting them, these honest businessmen. 000% out of 1 that this money, from the Platon system, will go to road maintenance

[SADKO72]

0,000001% most likely

[partisan]

I didn’t want to write, but the fact that I myself drove heavy trucks made me check in. I worked on a truck for five years, couldn’t stand it, I left, my father is still driving and I wouldn’t say that we got rich, but of those who wrote comments on this article and especially the author, drove at least GAZONCHIK or ZIL trucks? How can you evaluate the work of people without knowing this profession? Have any of you lived for weeks in a cabin waiting for cargo or sorted out engines in the winter, and bandits, and cops, and of course our favorite roads that will remain the same as they were, but freight transportation tariffs will rise and it will cost more for a loaf of bread to get to your table

[Princev Alexey]

How many sensible, well-reasoned articles have I read in topwar. But this article was very disappointing. No facts or figures. Just unfounded nonsense. It's a pity. “Feed the Rotenbergs” and “send money to the treasury” are not synonymous.

[24rus]

The “Plato” system is either someone’s stupidity, or deliberate harm with elements of personal enrichment, and harm, first of all, to our state. So the money will not be used to repair roads, and this is clear to most. They are also unlikely to go to the treasury. But the situation inside the country is in turmoil.

[31rus]

Dear ones, why introduce an additional fee on top of existing taxes? To make the existing road tax more “flexible”, more specifically personal for each car, another question is where the figure of 50 rubles comes from. salaries? My neighbor, a truck driver, goes to Europe (Germany, France, Belgium), salary is 000, despite the fact that I see him 25-000 days a month at home, this means that the salary varies by region and it cannot be “equalized”, what does that have to do with it? The West? If their bureaucrats and those in power cannot even explain to people (beyond their dignity) why this system is needed, whether there are preferential days, preferential times of day, etc., chaos and lack of knowledge give rise to an even greater chaos. Ruling elites have already been formed in Russia and as they say so it will be, that’s the whole economic justification for you

[STALK1974]

I have many friends who travel long distances, and work in different companies with a salary of 5 rubles per km (45-50 thousand per month), at home I see them almost every weekend, they travel around Russia, and those who go to Europe pay 70-80 thousand ., it turns out. Maybe your friend works in a bad company?

[bubla5]

You can write like this - the major doesn’t do anything in the Armed Forces but gets 70 rubles, everyone counts other people’s money

[nik4422]

Quote: Tatar 174

It is necessary to change the entire system and procedure for building and repairing roads

It is necessary to switch to concrete roads from asphalt - 20 years before the first repair

[Edvagan]

I have a question about the protest: if the system allows you to see all the flights, maybe truckers are afraid that the tax office will have information about the number of flights and probable earnings? Maybe they just don’t want to pay taxes in full? Who knows about this side of the matter?

[Teplohod]

I know that no one wants to pay taxes in full or in excess of full, but some have to. Alternatively, there was such information that even travel on the federation. on the highway, if it is not an intercity route, it is not subject to collection, that is, collection (which means in this case the influence of the truck on the route is somewhat different), accordingly, if this becomes completely unprofitable, no one will travel long distances, transshipment points will appear on the borders of such zones, Just as in ancient times, horses were changed, so it is here. It will become difficult to control again, prices will rise, problems will deepen, everyone will go as far as the partner did not go, it will finally become clear that the goal of the reform is not the condition of the roads, and ultimately the fools will win the eternal competition with the roads, who is poorer for Russia.

[Teplohod]

Let me clarify, travel is not via federation. highway, and on local roads, the second option is caravans with a carrying capacity of less than 12 tons :) control goodbye! local roads - and there were such.
- Hey, partner, let’s go across the field?!
- Lets do it!

- Look, there’s a local road, let’s go get that truck!

Farmer:
- Here are the hoopoes!

Transport workers:

- We need to put up a sign.

- You drove along the federation. track without...
- Yes, I’m less than a kilometer away, stupidly crossing from local to local.
- Bon Voyage!

[Bulrumeb]

Have you ever seen a poor trucker?
And I saw it. I saw people who, having bought a tractor on credit, for 40 thousand a month, both in winter and summer, lie under their cars
What does the oligarch have to do with it at all, if the money replenishes the treasury and goes to repair the roads.
And despite the fact that the money from Platon will go through Rotenberg and how much of it will reach the road repairs, no one says. The truckers are right when they say that they don’t want to feed Rotenberg either.

[your1970]

one question - WHO gave a loan of 3-4 lyama without collateral or a salary of 100? Where does the money come from to pay the monthly loan if they are only “for 000 thousand a month in winter and summer under their cars” - and here Does it smell like payments that are approximately 40 times larger?

[dchegrinec]

I absolutely agree with this author, however, that I wrote in response to a previously published article about truck driver strikes. These drivers are mostly troublemakers, organized by the same people who organize various Maidans. Payments for toll roads are not high and are unlikely to hurt your pocket, and these expenses must be borne by the employer and not the truck driver.

[made13]

Include fuel in the price - no one will go anywhere without diesel fuel. Another thing is that the drivers did not pay and will not pay taxes - Plato is better in this :-)

[nivander]

every year there are more and more of these professionals from the main road. And why they come to the cities (in the presence of bypasses and roundabouts) is completely unclear. Once at the entrance to the NSC I counted 37 trucks per 1 km, this is some kind of iron hood.

[fax66]

As I understand from the posts, everyone is dissatisfied with one thing: “And so we pay like hell, but the roads are broken! Where does the money go? We’ll go wild, drive with overload and won’t pay until...” So far? Until the roads are built? Or until all corrupt officials are jailed?

Then why...the whole country then pays excise taxes, etc. and so on.? Then should everyone refuse to pay?

[partisan]

I didn’t want to write, but the fact that I myself drove heavy trucks made me check in. I worked on a truck for five years, I couldn’t stand it, I left, my father is still driving and I wouldn’t say that we got rich, but of those who wrote comments on this article and especially the author drove trucks at least GAZONCHIKI or ZIL. How can you evaluate the work of people without knowing this profession? Have any of you lived for weeks in a cabin waiting for cargo or sorted out engines in the winter, and bandits, and cops, and of course our favorite roads that will remain the same as they were, but freight transportation tariffs will rise and It will be more expensive for a loaf of bread to get to your table and this is beneficial not for small private owners who are already leaving the road in batches, but for large companies. Drivers are people too, they also have families that need to be fed, and believe me, it’s not the romance of the road that forces them to get behind the wheel, whoever sits in their place can be the author.

[vicdoc63]

Everything would have been fine if Igor Rotenberg had not commanded the parade.

[Smith713]

Some kind of nonsense. The article is clearly custom-made. If the cost of transporting goods increases, then the cost of the transported goods will increase by this cost. What, someone will pay for the fees of the Platon system at their own expense? In general, it turns out like this: a truck driver pays transport tax, pays excise tax on fuel, he pays tax on his income. Plus, he still has to pay for MTPL insurance, insure the cargo, and contribute part of his income to the pension fund. That is, we don’t even have triple taxation. Or maybe introduce a tax on air consumption, since a truck with a total weight of more than 12 tons consumes more air than a passenger car, and it is difficult for officials to breathe in conditions of oxygen deficiency.

[Teplohod]

Some kind of heresy, not arguments, the impression is that this will hit the pockets of truckers, and not the end consumer, who, if he is a car owner, also pays transport tax for the maintenance of these very roads. And what kind of nonsense is this that truckers are rich pests from whom you can take something and distribute it... And to whom should it be distributed? Yes, this brother is not Robin Hood!

[gnv731]

The fact that heavy trucks are “killing” roads into rubbish is not even discussed. But several questions arise regarding the tax:
1) Why is Plato a private company, if tax collection is the prerogative of the state?
2) Why did Russian Railways raise tariffs so much that it became much cheaper to transport by truck?
3) Where are the guarantees that the new tax will not be included in the price of goods? I am tormented by vague doubts that because of this “stupidity” they will increase the price of goods. I don't think our market won't react to this.
4) And somehow it turns out strange: taxes are included in the gasoline excise tax, taxes are paid annually for the car, and now this tax is also included. Maybe it makes sense to introduce a single tax that will be collected by the state?

[although]

Quote: ASK505

Quote: ivan48857

Ride with the prescribed weight and no complaints!

The word "ed" is not in Russian, as well as the separate spelling of "none". "Drive" or "drive" take it and remember. For the thought "plus", and for the grammar a bold "minus". Learn materiel, come in handy.

Let there be no “go”, then let him go with the required weight.

[Focus]

It’s a shame when the author of an article speaks to the whole country about something that nobody knows about, as they say. I am exactly the same, I am a long-range shooter. Dislocation - Yekaterinburg, in our slang - Katya. Permanent work for Moscow. This is the most profitable direction. The cost of the flight from here is 32 thousand including VAT, and back 75 thousand including VAT. 4000 km per lap. diesel fuel consumption 40 l. at 100 km. 1600 liters for 36 rubles. total 56000 rubles. maintenance costs for the car and trailer are about 40000 per month. I do 2 walks a month. I earn about 220000 thousand a month. Minus cashing. minus VAT. I have 200 thousand. Of this, 112 rubles are for fuel. , for spare parts 000t.r. They counted and shed tears. 40 real money left! t.r. But that is not all. Individual entrepreneur taxes, transport taxes, traffic police fees, highway parking, food, sometimes road bandits shake, yes, yes. if you thought that this was in the past, you are naive delusions. On the road 000 weeks a month, I’m not at home, half a year on the road!!! just think!!! A week of work, a week of repairs and a little rest. This is truly hellish work. I’ll really roll the truck out to the front and burn it. They offer me to pay another 48000 per kilometer. 2 rubles per month. This is madness, this is a complete break from reality.
yes, I forgot to add. Trucks are usually on credit.
The author of this article is simply an irresponsible clique.

[wheel]

Now they will accuse you of working for Obama.

[alexey water]

What's a "clique"? You are carrying goods worth several hundred thousand, or even more than a million rubles. Distance 1900km (approximately). Your payment at a rate of 3.6 rubles/km will be 6840 rubles. Add to the cost of transportation. In this case, you are neither cold nor hot at all. And the customer’s goods will rise in price by 0,4-2%. What are we talking about, gentlemen? Stop poisoning people with tales and horror stories. If you love to ride, you also love to carry sleds

[CONTROL]

Quote: Focus

They counted and shed tears. 48000 real money left! t.r. But that is not all. ... This is truly hellish work.

...It's like that!
That’s why, in order to “turn brown,” they take a “leftist” and get involved with crime... It turns out to be a fork! either bite everyone - or lie in the dirt!...
Probably, something else should have been invented instead of "Plato"... But putting the driver of a "car" and a "truck" on equal terms - in terms of taxes and fees - is also wrong!

[faridg7]

And they are already in unequal conditions.
How much can you burn per 100 km in a passenger car? How much does an empty tractor-trailer cost?
and tax, how many horses/cubes does your lighter have? And the truck has from 6000 cubes, but mostly under 20000, and up to 700 horses.
And where is the equalization here?

[sisa29]

The author believes that you are shoveling money! You row, but alas, it’s not quite right..

[your1970]

Focus
“the cost of servicing the car and trailer is about 40000 per month” - I’m embarrassed to ask - what are YOU repairing in the trailer for 40 monthly????no need for stories...
Or wheels bursting due to madness overload and do you include those lying on the roads here too???

There is a complete disconnect from reality for pensioner grandmothers with a pension of 7 thousand (minus 4 thousand for utilities) - yes, there it is, it’s real...
And yours is a little different - it’s called greed....

[STALK1974]

Yes, it’s too early to escalate the situation, the system has only just begun to work. Yes, of course, it was necessary to run it in test mode for at least a year, but in Russia we live, everything is done in a hurry. Regarding the transfer of money, let the competent authorities deal with this, we can’t track everything , we’ll wait and see. And since they have introduced a system of payment for the use of roads, then would the gentlemen from the government kindly cancel the transport tax, then there will be fewer dissatisfied people.

[aleks. 1986]

“However, given the escalation of the situation around this issue, I decided to understand the situation a little” - the text of the author of the article. You haven’t figured out a damn thing, not even a superficial analysis.

[Ilya77]

Quote: Flinky

620 billion are spent on roads per year

Does the Proof make it difficult to give this figure?
https://www.vedomosti.ru/newspaper/articles/2015/03/16/dorozhnaya-desyatina

with the next years for solid waste will still be ripped apart

The fee for the export of solid waste is already separate ... What is the squeal about?

Do you think people don’t even know that this is a separate item in the payment order? This means that there is also an additional tax, now we supposedly pay only for export, but we will also pay for recycling and sorting - http://www.ooo-strit.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=251:dlya-ki
rovchan-vvodyat-novyj-nalog-za-utilizatsiyu-musora-v-kirove-pridjotsya-platit&ca
tid=124&Itemid=769.

[kizhe]

Truckers are also silent about the fact that no matter where they park, there is shit everywhere. They create a very real garbage dump on the side of the road. I myself, walking past parked trucks every day, see this picture. They throw away everything, from old tires to bottles of urine. Yes, for this alone they should be taxed!

[CONTROL]

Quote: kizhe

Yes, for this alone they should be taxed!

...Fuck...! It's a shame... I did it myself... You're always in a hurry! Life is like this: you live - you're pounding, f...e - you're in a hurry, you eat - you choke... when you get better!

[Kirgoudou]

Have you tried making more pockets on the tracks?
For example, with garbage containers. With a table and benches, and under a canopy from the rain.
With an overpass as an integral part of such places.
No? Apparently the administrative resources don't have enough...
You have a picture...
I travel to Karelia by car twice a year...
There are not many places where you can sit properly. Eat, drink, recover...
So...They throw away everything, from old tires to bottles of urine...
wherever.
And not where it would be possible, if it were...

[kizhe]

It's not about the track. They don’t want to pay for parking and park their trucks on the road (although there is a huge parking lot for trucks nearby). St. Petersburg, Parnas, 5 upper lane. Worth a look.

[Dwarfik]

In this topic, I would like to recall the lines: “I would be glad to serve, but it is sickening to be served.” So here, if money is spent on repairs and high-quality installation, this is normal, but if the roads remain at the same level, then, of course, many questions will arise. First, we need to start making high-quality roads in accordance with technology, maybe there won’t be such destruction.

[STALK1974]

I completely agree with you. The system had just started working, and many started howling. For example, I also haven’t seen a single poor truck owner.

[Kirgoudou]

Why should they be poor?
Damn, get behind the wheel of a truck yourself!...
And only then pick your pocket.

[STALK1974]

And I was driving a truck, and I know firsthand what kind of work it is, if the owner is a normal, not greedy person, keeps the car in good working order, doesn’t spare money on spare parts, pays the salary regularly, then you work normally with weekends and vacations. And if they try to make candy out of the city, they hold the drivers like slaves, they force them to walk with overload, then you have breakdowns on the road, etc., etc.

[will go]

Quote: roadsmell

However, given the escalation of the situation around this issue, I decided to sort out the situation a bit.

Shitty, you, the author, figured out the situation!
Tax is Tax, and collection is just FEE. A fee organized by a private enterprise / legal entity implies receiving a profit for their activities / dull work and the obligation to report to the state on its expenses.

And now more:
If the Ministry of Transport plans to receive 40 yards a year from the budget, then by concession with a sharaga, this sharaba FIXED (read GUARANTEED) should leave MYSELF 10,8 yards.

What does this mean? This means that every fifth ruble will not go on any roads, but go on forks, yachts, islands.

And given that in two weeks PLATO collected 200 lyam, by simple mathematical manipulations we get 5,142 yards per year!

That is, not that it will not reach the roads, but the state will also have to pay this sharaga !!!!!!


Author, learn the materiel!



And about the impact of trucks on the road surface: google how a regular trucker smashed into the trash the myth of road damage that exceeds passenger damage by 20 .. 40 .. 90 thousand times.

By elementary calculations of the specific pressure on the web through the area of ​​contact spots, the damage from freight and / or transport exceeds the damage from cars ... 3,6 times !!!!!
But not 20,40,90 thousand times !!!!! And confirmation of this: on multi-lane it is more comfortable to move in the right lane than in the left, where the track is "knee-deep".

For some reason, here outside Belorechensk, where dump trucks roam, a rut is constantly forming. And as for the specific pressure of the spots, I have vague doubts! Firstly, not all trucks have dozens of wheels, and secondly, if the asphalt is soft in hot weather, which we don’t a rarity, imagine that such a train would rush along one track with a dozen wheels, one tire wide.

[your1970]

and they all turn their faces away when they see HOVs, Photons, and TONAR trailers with crushed stone, which crush reinforced concrete road slabs into crumbs...
But no, no, my God, the roads are ruined by passenger cars....

[Kostya]

"Paid"! it became sad(!

[Kirgoudou]

Paid!
I agree. - Bullshit race!

[1536]

Someone correctly said on the forum that all this is a consequence of increasing tariffs for railway transportation. And the lack of construction of railway roads. One bog in the government said that no one needs the construction of a new Moscow-Kazan road, because... there is no one to go there. Here it is, government policy in action. I agree with the truckers that there is no point in organizing extortions if you cannot prove where the money will go. But blocking federal highways is not a method of struggle. Only the US Ambassador and the kids from PARNAS will become richer from this.

[biron]

the salary of people's representatives is 480 thousand, for a pensioner 6 thousand. How many pensioners can be fed on one salary of a parasite?

[LEX SU]

In my opinion, more than half of them confuse warm with soft...
1. introduction of control over transportation and, accordingly, payment “according to purchased tickets”
2. further distribution of money (according to Plato)

Why interfere with one another???
Fight corruption, fight officials, DO NOT CHANGE CONCEPTS - what are Plato’s current opponents doing?
Fight, but be kind - pay for the broken roads!
Because I (AND ALL OF US) cry twice too! If there were no broken roads, we would repair the car less often! Right???

And I don’t really feel sorry for the “poor” drivers who are undernourished, lacking sleep... and so on...
My job isn't all that easy either! and not for 50000 rubles, but much less...
And what now??? Whining???
Need to work!

[Kirgoudou]

Do we pay road tax? - WE'RE PAYING!
And why are you confusing warm with soft?
As for broken roads, this is for road builders and repairmen, not for truck drivers.
What kind of roads are these that they can’t hold a truck?
This is in our country, where only one piece of iron is laid from corner to corner...
What are you talking about, guy?

[obstructia]

And everything seems to be correct, and everything is fine... Yes, there are facts of overloads, yes, the roads are... broken into rubbish. But we already pay road tax? And where the roads are being repaired - in Nerezinovsk and St. Petersburg) How have food prices increased? And if they introduce this evil “Plato”, the commerce industry will pull them up twice as much, don’t go to the fortune teller. Another non-deal extortion, that’s all.

[Romanenko]

Everything would be clear if Plato approached payment based on the characteristics of the road, and not on the RMV of 12 tons. Why was this figure taken from?
Let's figure it out, all our regional roads built under Tsar Gorokh are subject to a standard axle load of 6 tons, that is, for a car with two axles, the RMV limit for free travel is really 12 tons, but if there are three axles, then it’s not 12, but 18 (well, that’s right, an enlarged figure) That is, a three-axle vehicle with a 12-ton RMV, according to the law, rides on the old road for free. On reconstructed regional roads, the axle load is now 10 tons. On federal trucks there are 11 tons. Moreover, all reconstruction and maintenance of these roads are paid for from the federal and regional budgets, that is, with tax money. Everyone pays road taxes, both those who drive trucks and those who drive cars, that is, the whole country. What a joy it is to pay one more time. Continuation of the funny story with toll sections and alternative passages on federal roads???

[Mountain shooter]

Well, will someone turn on their head? The tariff is a little more than 3 rubles per kilometer! For a 12-ton truck or more. What is this even about? Can anyone calculate this for 1 kg of cargo? Nobody says a truck driver's job isn't hard. But what are they protesting against? Against the tariff? I think not. Plato makes transparent the ENTIRE system of cargo transportation in the country, including smuggling. And this is serious money. Who are now paying for this very action. We will soon find out who is paying for the share. This money will be used for road repairs.

[Kirgoudou]

Hmm... Who are we campaigning for?
For 75% of Platon shares in the hands of PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS???!!!
Oh well...
Something is wrong with you...
This loot will never reach the roads! NEVER!
We've heard stories like this many times before...
And the one who follows a rake is stupid...

[hera]

Pay and fly, why be indignant)))

[Dimon-chik-79]

The article is clearly of a custom nature, otherwise why would it appear in the “military review”, and the head of the Ministry of Transport himself does not get off the central channels and from them floods our ears with some kind of yellow substance about how they will suddenly begin to repair roads in Russia. As if someone had prevented them from doing this before with funds received from transport taxes and fuel surcharges. Indeed, there are no guarantees that the funds from Platon will be used in full for road repairs, but a rise in prices in stores is guaranteed! And this is during an economic crisis in the country, when the population’s incomes have dropped significantly.

[mihasik]

All major carriers will most likely leave prices at the same level in order not to lose turnover, and private owners who raise prices will soon return it to their previous place due to competition. For example, due to rising gasoline prices, prices for large cargo transportation have remained almost unchanged.

The main thing in this proposal "MORE LIKELY", and now the question. What country does the author live in? Is he not writing from the EU? Have prices in our country ever fallen after an increase? Therefore, not most likely, but DEFINITELY, all these payments will again affect the consumer by increasing prices.

[Infernal man]

The problem is not entirely with Russian Railways, because... Even with all the desire, Russian Railways will not replace road transportation. The train does not run everywhere, it will take a long time to unload/sort the cars, again the train is full (no one will drive empty cars). There is a lot of things that RJ cannot do.
Everyone unanimously claims that “trucks are killing the road.” But no one thinks why this happens.
Perhaps you should think not about additional taxes, but about monitoring compliance with regulations?? Any driver pays for his “pure” use of the road from transport tax and fuel excise tax. Those. has every right to also (without damage to the coverage) move on public roads. The very concept of “Overload” is already a violation.
So you need to separate the flies from the cutlets. Do you want to drive? - drive honestly, without violating technical regulations, without any overloads, on a serviceable vehicle, “Have a nice trip!” All others who do not want to transport cargo honestly should be monitored by supervisory authorities.
This is about the issue of broken roads.

Now regarding Plato himself:
The whole system is not just about collecting money per km of track. These are control points, bodies, systems, personnel, etc., which in turn also have costs, fees, salaries, expenses, etc. - don’t believe that within the state these are pennies. This means that this burden will also fall on someone else’s shoulders. It won’t just appear out of thin air, which means someone will make a lot of money out of it. Don’t be surprised later that these forced expenses will result in higher prices in stores.

Regarding truck driver salaries:
That's why it's even disgusting to read such posts. What's the point of looking into each other's mouths or pockets? Does he earn 50000 a month? - for God's sake! He really EARNS them! Is anyone jealous? - Get to the wheel! This is difficult bread.
And, by the way, I haven’t seen any rich truck drivers either, by the way. No more rich electricians or plumbers. In any industry there are people who earn more than we would imagine. What is there, what is there, and those who They honestly earn normal money through hard work, and there are those who have not yet succeeded.
Both are the same. No better, no worse. Some people work harder, some work better, some are lucky, etc. - everything is within the limits of what is available.
Don't count other people's money, it doesn't make you look good.

And finally, about the targeted distribution of funds:
we pay, we pay, we pay, we pay... the price of oil falls, gasoline rises, we pay, we pay, we pay... the roads remain as they were. Somewhere something seemed to be fixed, but somewhere else it fell apart. Does anyone believe that the money will go to the budget? Not really.
In addition, another bureaucratic mechanism is being born before our eyes. How many extra pieces of paper need to be signed at extra authorities, how many extra people at extra windows need to check and approve them, how many extra lines drivers will have to stand in for registration and payment, etc. and so on. or do you think that all the documents are brought to their cabin?
So in this matter I am completely on the side of the long-range fighters. This is easy for you and me to talk about. This doesn't concern us yet. Bye...

[godun]

+100500! I agree with you, this one more extortion will not improve, strengthen, or tighten anything. In our totally corrupt country, everything will be exactly as you described.

[Kirgoudou]

Taking off my hat. +

It hasn't touched YET...
Long Range This is just the first ball. -Trial stage.
Appetite comes with eating!
Quietly...
Get to cars too.

[ARES623]

I read comments, especially from those who are actually involved in cargo transportation, and I am increasingly convinced that nothing teaches us except Western consumerism. We don’t care about safety, we don’t want to pay for anything, everyone owes us. With such thoughts in our heads, we have the highest proportion of corpses per kilometer of road. And, in this case, if we ourselves do not want to comply with the laws and rules, then the state, as the guarantor of the safety of ALL citizens of the country, including pedestrians and private drivers, has one way - to tear up NEGLIGENT PROFESSIONALS on the roads so that “chips are thrown to the sides ". Approximately the same as when intensifying the fight against the intersection of a continuous line. If you violated it, you will receive a license for six months; if you violate it again, you will receive a license for 10 years. Burn out violators on transport, as in a place of increased danger, “with fire and sword.” I suggest minisers look at the statistics on road accidents for the last month. More people die on the roads in peacetime than during intensive operations in Afghanistan! 27-30 thousand corpses per year, many times more disabled people - these are all people erased from the country’s economy due to the fault of immature i.d.i.o.t.o.v., who considered themselves “aces”, “kings” of the roads.

[Kirgoudou]

Really lazy to respond to someone who is inadequate.

[Riv]

It's not about the fees! It's nothing. They are angry because the system now tracks the transportation of specific goods. What, where, where and how much. That is, any “gray” transport scheme stops working. If, for example, burnt vodka is spilled in the garage, then it needs to be taken out later. You need to make invoices. The driver may not be aware, but now he will be required to register his cargo. And this is the light...

[blackenergy89]

no revolution with the help of truck drivers will be able to do this for sure, and I am for this raft system to be introduced so that we have more money for roads, so that they don’t break down and in the end we need to switch to trains

[KUOLEMA]

(Due to the introduction of the Platon system, products in our stores will become more expensive. It is unlikely. All major carriers will most likely leave prices at the same level so as not to lose turnover, and private traders who raise prices will soon return due to competition it to its original place. For example, due to the rise in gasoline prices, prices for large cargo transportation have hardly changed.) - It’s somehow hard to believe in such a scenario in our country, in any case, prices are rising, gasoline is falling, gasoline is becoming more expensive, the buckwheat harvest is large and the price has increased by times, etc., and I seriously doubt that the money collected from everyone will reach the roads; officials need to warm their paws a little

[Infernal man]

Quote: LEX SU

And I don’t really feel sorry for the “poor” drivers who are undernourished, lacking sleep... and so on...
My job isn't all that easy either! and not for 50000 rubles, but much less...
And what now??? Whining???
Need to work!

They work. Or do you question it?
Now imagine when your industry begins to be milked, and you personally, as a specialist, begin to complicate your life with all sorts of bureaucratic delays. Just try to be indignant! There will always be someone who will say that his salary is less, and you need to work more, and not whine...
Any medal has 2 sides, a stick has 2 ends, etc. In this case, people at least do something, at least somehow defend their interests. Only for this can they be respected.

[capitosha1rang]

I myself know such a long-range shooter.
At first I just worked as a driver for a Volvo, a year later I rented it, and two years later I bought it.
Now he already has two Volvos and one Scannia. He doesn’t drive himself - he hired very smart drivers (they are also good mechanics). He pays them 70 thousand, well, and leaves something for himself.
In a material sense, he is not in poverty, but he knows his limits and does not participate in the action, why - his trucks are driven along the Ufa-Moscow-St. Petersburg triangle, connections are established, the reputation as a carrier is excellent. Work and earn money - who's stopping you?

[Kirgoudou]

Exactly.
And pays taxes. Including on the roads.
So “Plato” will pinch him by the pocket.
You have to maintain this administrative mass then...
Do you think this guy will squeeze in income? Or will the drivers of his trucks agree to receive not 70 rubles, but let’s say 60-65? A?
I'm sure NOT!
What will this guy do?
-That's right... It will increase the cost of transportation services. What will the owner of the cargo do?
- That's right... It will add costs to the cost of the cargo.
AND ALL THIS WILL FALL ON THE SHOULDERS OF THE FINAL BUYER-CONSUMER! THOSE. ON OUR SHOULDERS!
Result: another round of inflation, with the depreciation of the ruble!
Let Poaten and its private investors gloat! Hooray!

[noskov]

Among our clients are TC RATEK and Business Lines. When the storm began, we tensed up... We met with the management. We ask why are you muddying the waters here??? They looked at us like we were fools, honestly!!
You're like differentiating long-range people and long-range assholes...
why does he say they went to BLOCK the roads. Does it say what the problem is AT ALL? Legal ones don’t have any problems or confusion with PLATO. Costs are minimal. The main thing is at least minimal order in the WHOLE INDUSTRY of the economy. Where does he say, have you seen a long-haul driver who makes a flight of more than 4 thousand km more often than once or twice every six months? other traffic ranges from 500 to 1000 km. so screw them. They're still fucking threatening.

[Kirgoudou]

The administration, which is violating every bunch of power, has given you a hard time, and you have spread your ears...
Laughter and only with your traffic...
You dear, don’t push away from the traffic, but from the speedometer!
How much does a truck roll there per month? And per year?
That's it... And no need to la-la.

[Al_oriso]

Payments collected for travel on federal highways should come from carrier companies, and not from the pockets of drivers. But for excess load and for left-handed transportation - it’s the other way around.
And that's all.
No problem.

[would]

Well, in general, judging by what I see, there is a very specific order to discredit the protest. True, they select bad authors, the article is so-so. Not finished.

. Have you ever seen a poor truck driver? For example, I haven't seen a single one. From experience communicating with them, I know that the salary of those who work for a car company exceeds fifty thousand rubles a month, and for those who have their own car, the salary goes well over a hundred.

An attempt to make truck drivers seem rich. How does this cancel out the shortcomings of “Plato”, which are not mentioned here? No way. At the same time, the author tactfully keeps silent about the fact that those who have their own car also have their own expenses for it and, in general, regarding salaries, the level here is “I swear to you!! 111”.

This is a system created to collect fees to compensate for damage caused to federal public roads by vehicles with a maximum weight of over 12 tons.

As well as excise taxes on fuel and transport tax. As a result it turns out triple taxation (and these are only direct taxes on roads), and the roads, as the author correctly noted, are “getting worse and worse.”

The profit of truckers, which they put in their pockets, will be slightly reduced, and the proceeds will be used to repair roads that were destroyed by these same truckers

That is, the money previously received from excise taxes, from transport taxes, from other taxes that also go to roads, not all (at best) went to roads, but now they will. At the same time, it turns out that roads are broken up by truckers, and they are not the result of massive violations of projects and laying technology.

This one especially delivered

Because of the introduction of the Platon system, the prices of products in our stores will rise. Unlikely. All major carriers will most likely leave prices at the same level in order not to lose turnover, and private owners who raise prices will soon return it to their previous place due to competition. For example, due to rising gasoline prices, prices for large cargo transportation have remained almost unchanged.

That is, transportation costs will rise, income, which is not set in stone, especially on extremely competitive routes, will decrease, but no one will raise prices. As I understand it, everyone will immediately start working at a loss, there’s no other way.

What does the oligarch have to do with it at all, if the money replenishes the treasury and goes to repair the roads.

An outright lie, a base lie, I would even say. Well, who writes like that?! The operator of the Platon system is not the state, but a company directly related to the Rottenbergs (familiar name?) and which will annually receive a certain amount measured in billions.

By the way, how do you think alcohol without excise stamps, say, from North Ossetia or Dagestan gets to other regions of Russia? What better way to transport it than on trucks in large volumes. Moreover, you can get an additional payment for smuggling. Recently, cases of fatal poisoning with burnt alcohol have repeatedly appeared in the news.

The author is trying to show truckers as bad by approaching something completely different. Question: How will the introduction of the Plato system combat smuggling and, in particular, overweight? The answer is no.

Eh, well, they knew how to write before! Ugh.

[dimonl]

I gave the author a minus. Judging by the article, he has no idea about the consequences of the introduction of “Plato”, has not communicated with drivers and is generally far from life outside the Moscow Ring Road. Using my own example (I work at a factory producing concrete products), I will outline the situation.
MOSCOW is once again strangling carriers. They, in turn, raise the price of delivery of materials (sand, crushed stone, cement, metal, etc.). The cost of production rises - profitability falls. The same MOSCOW does not allow you to raise the price of finished products. You see, they have last year's prices and competition included in their rack budget. As a result, the company’s wages have been delayed for three months and the survival of the plant is in question.
THANKS TO ALL.

[question]

Until we have competition between truckers and the railroad, we will drive on ruts and pits!
But tariffs and prices in Russia do not know what a reduction is.