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What can I talk with the Turk? Blitz interview

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I was curious, so happy to respond to such a proposal, which was received from one of our readers. Alexey suggested that I talk to my friend, with whom he rested every year. Akyl is the owner of a small hotel in Cyprus.


Initially, I planned to make a recording, which then could be laid out for public listening. But after five minutes I realized that it was unreal. I do not speak Turkish at all, Aleksey knows this language in the amount of a tourist, for seven years, it did, and Akyl speaks Russian better than both of us together, in Turkish. But also in the kind of volume. And all three used for a bunch of some idioms that can not be published. And most of all Akyl sinned. But we fully understood him, and it turned out something like a monologue of the Cypriot Turk. That's what happened after long explanations, emotions and swearing were removed.

Not all Turks support Erdogan. And the farther from the capital, the more pronounced it is. No, for the Great Ottoman Empire every second, but so that it affected him only on the positive side. In terms of product markets and the flow of tourists.

In principle, to Akyl, who lives in Cyprus, all our fights are unpleasant. History with the plane, he, however, categorically refused to comment. And obviously not because he has some kind of its own position, but because they just do not know. Yes, the plane was shot down. Who is right, who is wrong, he really doesn’t care. Russians say one thing; Turks "on the continent" are different. And go figure out who is right? But the consequences cling to life.

To say that the ban on holidays in Turkey for Akla was a serious blow ... At least half of his clients are Russians. Moreover, he has the biggest profit just from ours. For there is a vineyard, the results of cultivation of which bring very tangible results.

And perspektivka not the best. Because the British, bringing their families (from among the employees at the bases) are notorious criminals and brawlers. What the Russian quietly passes by, saying the magic phrase "well, and who is with him", the Englishman perceives as a personal insult. And make up for the Englishman once in 5-6 more expensive than in front of ours. Usually one or two of your own drink was enough.

The coming year is drawn in irrelevant colors. There is, however, a cunning Turk one hope. It seems like the Republic of Northern Cyprus, partially recognized, is not quite Turkey. And the tourist embargo does not threaten him.

From harm, I think I told him that in Russia all very politically savvy (well, not the same lie), and all Russians know that the Republic of Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Turkey. Therefore, because Turkey, the former Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, we are all one.

In vain I did that, I guess. Turks, it turns out, are very emotional people. It was not an explosion of emotions, it was more like the eruption of Vesuvius. All references to Islamic saints in the arrangement of the Russian five-storey ... impressed.

After talking, Akyl said the thing that first put me in a stupor. Well, we are attached to them with this Syria? Well, is Assad a friend to you? After all, Turkey has not done anything that Russia would not have done at the time!

Such a turn required more detailed explanations. And then something went that I did not expect.

How do people treat Poroshenko in Russia? Is he perceived by Russians as a legitimate president? No, I answer, he is not legitimate. Just tolerate, because people are sorry. Therefore, we give gas and everything else.

So for Turkey, Assad is also not a legitimate president, it turns out! And he, too, is tolerated, but the Arab Turk is not a brother at all. And clashes between Turkey and Syria - that's about the same as that of Russia and Ukraine. Crimea taken? Taken away.

I decided to explain that I did not take it, but I left. And in general, the Crimea is our land historically. And they passed it to Ukraine back in the USSR when it was wrong.

Here! And the so-called Northern Syria from us after the war (First World War. - Comm. Aut.) Is also incorrectly taken. It is also our land was historically. And we also want her back. You want to take yours from Ukraine, and we want ours from Syria. We do not want the whole of Syria. Only the part that has always been ours.

Russia is not at war with Ukraine, Turkey is not at war with Syria. And everyone wants his own. But we do not climb to Ukraine? What do Russians forget here?

Well, firstly, not here, not in Turkey, but in Syria. And secondly, as if the Syrian president called for help.

And if Poroshenko called us "help", and we would come to Crimea? How would then Russia behaved?

Here again neskladuha. Poroshenko called you. (Surprise unlimited.) In a sense, all called NATO defend Ukraine from Russian aggression. Only NATO did not go. So everything is fine here. Turkey to NATO? So they called. And if hypothetically you’d go in there ... read the story, right?

And in this way the conversation went. In addition to the passage about Ukraine - nothing special. Yes, the comparison is still, of course, but that is, that is.

At times it seemed that I was really talking to ukrom. Moreover, Akyl, as it were, will be more educated than many. And the stubbornness in their opinions can be exported instead of tangerines. Well, temperament too.

But temperament over the air warms. Turkey is far away, and Cyprus has enough problems. And all political clashes ordinary Turk to turbans. The main thing is that tomorrow should be no worse than the previous one.

I understood it this way: “it has not come yet”. We would have to wait a bit. Quickly cooked only liquid shurpa. That's all that carries the coming year the Turks, and show who they really are. Still Ottomans, or already on 100% Turks.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 4 December 2015 06: 46
    40
    What can you talk about with the Turk?
    about pork skins ...
    Russian will calmly pass, saying the magic phrase "well, who with him"
    Roman smiled! graceful turn!laughing good
    And all the political showdowns to an ordinary Turk before turban
    (to fez ...)
    That’s all that the coming year of the Turks carries, and will show who they really are. Still Ottomans, or already 100% Turks.

    may Allah take them apart ... unholiness ... recourse
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 December 2015 07: 16
      33
      Roma, have you tried to kick him? With every kick, recalling how many people have already died in Syria.
      1. alekc75
        alekc75 4 December 2015 07: 30
        +2
        and preferably beat on the head
        1. asar
          asar 4 December 2015 08: 11
          10
          And why beat him on the head, and on other parts of the body ?!
          Soon they will beat themselves, on the same head, with bricks from empty hotels, summer is just around the corner!
          The coming year is drawn in irresponsible tones.

          Yes, also chokes with tomatoes!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 4 December 2015 08: 48
            11
            Quote: asar
            And why beat him on the head, and on other parts of the body ?!

            You don’t need to beat people, but you can bomb Ankara. You are angry Russians.
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 4 December 2015 19: 59
              +2
              Forgive my friends for intruding on the fun kicking of the Turks (I would have kicked myself a couple of times) ...
              Please tell me what kind of "periscope" is on the Turk's automatic machine on the photo. Thermal imager? Headlight for hunting? laughing Or a lineman of a railroad? Or is it a weighting agent for hand-to-hand combat?
              I would be grateful. Sincerely hi
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 4 December 2015 21: 37
                +3
                Barkhan

                Judging by the size of the lens. Rather, a thermal imager.
                There, the size of the lens is of great importance.
                1. Darkmor
                  Darkmor 5 December 2015 18: 28
                  10
                  There is a serious difference between Ukraine and Syria.

                  Crimea went to us because of circumstances beyond our control. We, in principle, he was satisfied with the Ukrainian - to the Maidan.
                  In Syria, Erdogan SAM created the circumstances in order to bite off part (or even all) of Syria.
                  Turks believe that, based on personal interests and interpretations of the results of the 1st World War, can they bite someone off there?

                  Specifically, we do not need Assad - we need stability in Syria and the corpses of our terrorists from the Caucasus, touring in the region.

                  Assad can provide this - Erdogan is not. Therefore, we made a bet on the support of Assad. And they did the right thing - as practice has shown, Erdogan cannot be trusted.
                  There would be no Assad and Syria, there would be Iran and Iraq. In any case, at some stage we would have to intervene there - since the terrorists are not destroyed.
                  This is yours, Mlyn, a regional problem that you, Turkey, as a state, are not able to solve in more than 4 years. And so that your problem does not become ours, we intervene in advance.

                  What does this Turk want from us?
                  So that we close our eyes to the affairs of Erdogan with ISIS? So we did it.
                  So that we are friends and cooperate with Turkey? So we did it.
                  So that we do not support the Kurds? We did not support them, although we should first of all rely on them. And you can remember Armenia ...
                  And we could deliver Assad a lot of things if we did not take into account the interests and wishes of Turkey. If the s-300 had been sold to Assad 2 years ago, maybe our operation in Syria was not needed now. But then again, Turkey asked us, and we went to meet her.

                  We have made so many concessions for Turkey, both economic and political, that they have no right to accuse us of insufficient cooperation.
                  And what did we get in return?

                  What form of relationship does this Turk want from us? I do not understand. Maybe his crest has bitten?
              2. Abakan
                Abakan 5 December 2015 20: 24
                0
                and this finally ?? Turk?))
                1. Abakan
                  Abakan 5 December 2015 21: 19
                  0
                  look at the debiloid minus signer in the photo
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          2. mihasik
            mihasik 4 December 2015 11: 11
            39
            Quote: asar
            Soon they will beat themselves, on the same head, with bricks from empty hotels, summer is just around the corner!

            And that will be? I found a time when our tourists were not in Turkey at all due to insolvency. And Turkey stood as it stands. Until summer, even before the moon with cancer! During this time, the Turks, for example, will change Erdogan to some kind of Muhammad, without changing the essence of their policy towards us and the same Syria, and our Government will rush, stumbling and falling again "to be friends with the new Turkey." So don't say "GOP", things are changing very quickly. Who knows where the "weathervane" will turn in Moscow in a month?)
            And our tourists, as they traveled to Tourland, will continue to travel, only now through Bulgaria. Since selfish interests at the present time are more expensive than public ones. Individualism rules! And the prices at our "resorts" are not falling, but only growing. It's already cheaper to fly to GOA than to relax in the Krasnodar Territory.
            1. Down House
              Down House 4 December 2015 13: 42
              +8
              Quote: mihasik
              I found times when our tourists did not exist in Turkey due to insolvency

              And you quickly get used to the good, there simply wasn’t any money before, but now you’ll have to part with that money - the difference is huge!
              1. mihasik
                mihasik 4 December 2015 16: 19
                +4
                Quote: Down House
                Quote: mihasik
                I found times when our tourists did not exist in Turkey due to insolvency

                And you quickly get used to the good, there simply wasn’t any money before, but now you’ll have to part with that money - the difference is huge!

                Well, we parted when the people were warmed by the collapse of the ruble and nothing, "we are not buzzing." So the Turks will "rebuild."
                How do they say that? Indispensable?) Find other tourists with cheap prices.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 4 December 2015 20: 46
                  +1
                  Quote: mihasik
                  Well, we parted when the people were heated by the collapse of the ruble and nothing

                  Well, they became "poorer" by 20-30% - but not quite without money left hi
                  1. mihasik
                    mihasik 4 December 2015 21: 58
                    -5
                    Quote: Down House
                    Quote: mihasik
                    Well, we parted when the people were heated by the collapse of the ruble and nothing

                    Well, they became "poorer" by 20-30% - but not quite without money left hi

                    Tyk in the 90s was also "money": 100 rubles / box of matches. On the way back to the 90s))!
                    1. Zlatik
                      Zlatik 5 December 2015 06: 54
                      -20 qualifying.
                      Mihasik-Mudasik!
                2. Starley from the south
                  Starley from the south 6 December 2015 01: 29
                  +1
                  Quote: mihasik
                  Find other tourists with cheap prices.

                  Something seems to me that soon in Turkey it will not be completely calm, and perhaps quite turbulent. Everything goes to ensure that the Kurds will become more active, and in Turkey itself too. DAISHERS from boredom (after all, either our bomb or the Syrian bullet can kill in Syria) can begin to explode in Turkey: the Turks promised them paradise life and a bummer comes. Yes, and the military can rebel, sooner or later. The only salvation for the Turkish authorities is to aggravate, create the image of an external enemy (you can guess at once who will be assigned to them!) And get involved in active hostilities.
                  Yes, there will be other tourists, the Germans, for example. But ... the terrorists have never been tame, that if they come up with a tempting thought, go to Geyropa to kill the local residents when there are a lot of them here. One "fine" day the Turks will miss the reins and hello ... dozens of corpses of foreigners. Cynical, but likely.
            2. Victor Demchenko
              Victor Demchenko 4 December 2015 15: 21
              +2
              Quote: mihasik
              . It’s already cheaper to fly to GOA than to relax in the Krasnodar Territory.

              here I don’t know, maybe. and the fact that the prices at our resorts are unbelievable is one hundred and five hundred!
              1. mihasik
                mihasik 4 December 2015 16: 26
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                Quote: Victor Demchenko
                Quote: mihasik
                . It’s already cheaper to fly to GOA than to relax in the Krasnodar Territory.

                here I don’t know, maybe. and the fact that the prices at our resorts are unbelievable is one hundred and five hundred!

                And what could be there?
                I wanted to take my family to Adygea or to Sochi on New Year's holidays. I was counted for THREE days for three with a banquet from 45000 rubles (without a road and additional expenses, such as food) and this despite the fact that there are almost no places (our people are poor) fellow fellow fellow
                And in the GOA for the New Year with a round-trip flight to NINE days, taking into account three people - from 55000 rubles.
                So consider where much cheaper?)))
                Patriots say? Some patriots shear other patriots like sheep, peeling like sticky! Well, why, we have Patriotic Capitalism!) Make money Unprincipled, but Patriotic! Here is the slogan of the current government).
                1. a housewife
                  a housewife 4 December 2015 17: 20
                  0
                  Come on! Is it dear to you in Adygea? What kind of hotels did you request? if something is near Krasnodar, then maybe. Try small hotels to ask around.
                  1. KUOLEMA
                    KUOLEMA 4 December 2015 17: 39
                    -19 qualifying.
                    and it’s better to go on vacation with a hare on electric trains, eat dry food and take a barn empty from a grandmother’s house due to lack of livestock and you will find resorts in the Krasnodar Territory
                    1. mihasik
                      mihasik 4 December 2015 18: 15
                      0
                      Quote: KUOLEMA
                      and it’s better to go on vacation with a hare on electric trains, eat dry food and take a barn empty from a grandmother’s house due to lack of livestock and you will find resorts in the Krasnodar Territory

                      No bl * d, I'd rather fly to GOA, it'll be cheaper! I saw these "patriotic" resorts, you know where, for that kind of money ?!
                      1. Zlatik
                        Zlatik 5 December 2015 06: 58
                        -9
                        You yourself are a pancake, your mother is a pancake, your granny is a pancake and so on!
                      2. Starley from the south
                        Starley from the south 6 December 2015 01: 36
                        0
                        Quote: mihasik
                        I saw these "patriotic" resorts, you know where, for that kind of money ?!

                        You haven’t seen any h.r.e. Or do you definitely need four girls every night and to get 10 dollars a night? Then you really made a mistake, you won’t find such a thing here.
                    2. Zlatik
                      Zlatik 5 December 2015 06: 57
                      0
                      And they’re not used to it - give them five-star! The fifth column was completely fucked up!
                  2. mihasik
                    mihasik 4 December 2015 18: 13
                    +3
                    Quote: housewife
                    Come on! Is it dear to you in Adygea? What kind of hotels did you request? if something is near Krasnodar, then maybe. Try small hotels to ask around.

                    And you are 8-10 thousand rubles. a day for three without food and a banquet is not expensive? Summer houses without amenities are not taken into account! Dakhovskaya, Guzeripl is near Krasnodar?))
                    1. a housewife
                      a housewife 6 December 2015 00: 25
                      0
                      Go down to Hadzhokh.
                    2. Starley from the south
                      Starley from the south 6 December 2015 01: 45
                      0
                      Quote: mihasik
                      Dakhovskaya, is Guzeripl near Krasnodar?

                      You are not looking there. Type in the search engine "Kislovodsk sanatoriums", a huge list will appear, with contacts and prices. And in Kislovodsk the climate is better than in Dakhovskaya and Guzeripl, and prices do not bite. It is better to go to Dakhovskaya if you like hang gliding, there are gorgeous places for this, and even then, not at any time of the year. It's not worth going to Lago-Naki, the prices there are really exorbitant, except perhaps by pull.
                  3. Starley from the south
                    Starley from the south 6 December 2015 01: 34
                    0
                    Quote: housewife
                    Try small hotels to ask around.

                    People don’t get it at all! If only they looked at the Internet ... As if for ten years the situation in our resorts has not changed ...
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                3. Rostov
                  Rostov 4 December 2015 17: 20
                  +5
                  Quote: mihasik
                  And in the GOA for the New Year with a round-trip flight for NINE days, taking into account three people - from 55000 rubles

                  Land, travel agency where such prices can not tell? I went to my friend in the week, he has a franchise of the Pink Elephant, and so it’s cheaper than 120k for the New Year, and just for three abroad, they didn’t find anything. True, I was not really going to fly. But three weeks ago I flew to Croatia, only for the flight Rostov-Istanbul-Zagreb I gave 25k from the nose (round-trip). And to Goa it will be far away.
                  But about my beloved Kuban - yes, prices are not patriotic. And not just for relaxation. Well, who is normal, making money with his hump or brain, will buy real estate in the Krasnodar Territory, if in the same Croatia, Montenegro and especially Bulgaria, you can buy a house on the beach, at the price of odnushki on the coast of the Krasnodar Territory?
                  1. mihasik
                    mihasik 4 December 2015 18: 20
                    +2
                    Quote: Rostov
                    Land, travel agency where such prices can not tell? I went to my friend in the week, he has a franchise of the Pink Elephant, and so it’s cheaper than 120k for the New Year, and just for three abroad, they didn’t find anything.

                    My wife found it through a friend in a travel agency (on the forum, they sharpen "lyasy" together). Burning from December 25. Departure from Rostov If the trip, I can ask if it was not taken. I myself can not go, until the New Year work.
                    1. Rostov
                      Rostov 4 December 2015 18: 46
                      +2
                      Quote: mihasik
                      If a treba, I can ask if they haven’t taken it.

                      No, thanks, I wrote that I’m not going to fly. I'm with friends all the same in the Krasnodar Territory in Guamka for the New Year. Mountains, thermal springs, beauty in one word. The house has already been rented, 7k a day, and we’ll cover the table ourselves drinks
                      ps bred your wife, the tour is clearly not burning, because 3 more weeks before departure. During this time, a good agency will manage to sell it at the usual price. Although FIG knows, Goa is also not recommended for a visit, maybe because of this?
                      1. mihasik
                        mihasik 4 December 2015 19: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Rostov
                        ps bred your wife, the tour is clearly not burning, because 3 more weeks before departure. During this time, a good agency will manage to sell it at the usual price. Although FIG knows, Goa is also not recommended for a visit, maybe because of this?

                        drinks Yes, hell knows, now only in the USA there are no terrorists! laughing
                        And the crowd to go is a thrill! I envy white envy. Well done.
                        By the way, in the Caucasian reserve in the village of Burnoye (Adygea) there is a good base for the company. True, it pays off when there are a lot of people (two-story apartments) for several families, and so get hurt! Wilderness and nature.
                      2. BARKHAN
                        BARKHAN 4 December 2015 20: 01
                        +9
                        And why do Americans need terrorists? They dozens of people shoot each other fun and provocatively. fellow
                      3. mihasik
                        mihasik 4 December 2015 22: 02
                        +2
                        Quote: Barkhan
                        And why do Americans need terrorists? They dozens of people shoot each other fun and provocatively. fellow

                        Well, your identity) And yours are not terrorists, just cowboys!) However, the Wild West, you won’t drink genes with your temples!))
                4. Zlatik
                  Zlatik 5 December 2015 07: 01
                  -7
                  Worked out, damn it, bitch!
            3. Zlatik
              Zlatik 5 December 2015 06: 55
              -2
              How do you ring the muds!
        2. Pilot
          Pilot 4 December 2015 18: 45
          -1
          What can you talk about with the Turk?
          Maybe about the women? so they, apart from camels, do not recognize one front or anus. :)
          1. Rostov
            Rostov 4 December 2015 22: 45
            12
            Quote: Pilot
            What can you talk about with the Turk?
            Maybe about the women? so they, apart from camels, do not recognize one front or anus. :)

        3. Sorokin
          Sorokin 4 December 2015 20: 10
          0
          Yes, it’s easier for me to relax in Belarus. Baangondon you.
        4. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 6 December 2015 01: 16
          +1
          Quote: mihasik
          It’s already cheaper to fly to GOA than to relax in the Krasnodar Territory.

          So, dear man, you need to know the place where you can relax. Go and did not look for the place as it should. Over the past couple of years, many normal places have appeared on the coast and at affordable prices - from 1000 rubles and above for accommodation. And how many more chic places can be found in Kislovodsk, for example! So do not mislead everyone. People do not go to our resorts because they simply do not know about them. Of course, in winter we don’t swim in the sea, but you can gorgeous ski in Krasnaya Polyana. And at any time we have enough free places, there would be a desire to search.
      2. Russian jacket
        Russian jacket 4 December 2015 14: 49
        +4
        +100. Poles the same apples burst and laughed. It turned out that above itself. hi
      3. Stepank
        Stepank 6 December 2015 11: 53
        +1
        They don’t eat the tomatoes they send us, they don’t even feed the marriage to the cattle, but stupidly throw them into special containers for disposal. My friend was carrying tomatoes from Turkey in wagons. He showed me the photos - the greenhouse was standing, above it there was a barrel of 3 tons, and workers there in chemical suits climb up with "test tubes", and from the barrel a bunch of hoses, which were divided, were brought under each bush. They load them into his car in pale green, and after a week they are already red and soft ... and in local markets, tomatoes are 2-2,5 times more expensive than ours.
  2. EvgNik
    EvgNik 4 December 2015 08: 17
    15
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Roma, have you tried to kick him? With every kick, recalling how many people have already died in Syria.

    Well, we constantly remind Ukraine how many civilians died in Donbass and Lugansk. And what's the point? One thing on mind - everyone needs to be killed.
  3. Samaritan
    Samaritan 4 December 2015 10: 25
    +9
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    You want to take yours from Ukraine, but we want ours from Syria.

    Only we do not destroy the Ukrainians, like you Kurds ... we do not shoot down NATO planes
    1. Vikings
      Vikings 4 December 2015 11: 56
      +5
      No, we don’t destroy the Ukrainians. And in vain some part,
      I mean fans of Bandera, it would be worth it !!! And airplanes
      also would not be bad, Turkish and which to us by mistake
      fly in! Shoot down, that would be unfair in the future
      it was even askance to look in our direction.
  4. wei
    wei 4 December 2015 21: 10
    +7
    Roma, have you tried to beat him with your feet?

    it’s better to talk as bequests laughing
  • GRAMARI111
    GRAMARI111 6 December 2015 16: 52
    +4


    wink bully like this
    1. lecturer
      lecturer 6 December 2015 18: 51
      +1
      Thank you, Marinochka, for such a film from the headquarters of the "great" Ottoman ...
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 4 December 2015 06: 50
    32
    Two years can’t reach chuby, it is unlikely to reach the Turks soon. If Putin is personally to blame for the skaks, then Assad and Putin are to blame for the Turks personally. Only in Turkey is a little warmer, so it will reach even longer.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 4 December 2015 07: 00
      +8
      Quote: inkass_98
      Two years can’t reach chuby, it is unlikely to reach the Turks soon. If Putin is personally to blame for the skaks, then Assad and Putin are to blame for the Turks personally. Only in Turkey is a little warmer, so it will reach even longer.

      I don’t think so. No one takes into account personal interest. And from January 1, the Turks will hit hard in their pockets, but here enlightenment comes faster. And they will remember everyone, absolutely everyone.
      1. Throw
        Throw 4 December 2015 07: 11
        48
        Normal Turks have to deal with bully

        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 December 2015 07: 17
          +1
          Quote: Lance
          Normal Turks have to deal with

          Excuse me, who do you think is normal?
          1. Bulrumeb
            Bulrumeb 4 December 2015 09: 10
            18
            Apparently those in the photo. And here I agree with him
          2. Throw
            Throw 4 December 2015 09: 13
            12
            Copper, ceramic are still normal Turks ...
            1. screw cutter
              screw cutter 4 December 2015 10: 51
              0
              There are no more Turks left, only "cezves".
              1. Throw
                Throw 4 December 2015 14: 39
                +3
                What, the Majlis and the Turks asked to rename the cezves ?! wassat
            2. Starley from the south
              Starley from the south 6 December 2015 01: 53
              0
              Quote: Lance
              Copper, ceramic are still normal Turks ...

              In my personal experience, the best thing is Turks made of stainless steel: with copper, copper enters the coffee after some time, ceramic is too fragile.
          3. wasjasibirjac
            wasjasibirjac 4 December 2015 11: 15
            +2
            judging by the photo - from 0,4 to 1 liter
    2. Aroma77
      Aroma77 4 December 2015 12: 10
      +8
      It is strange to compare Assad and Poroshenko. How did Valtsman come to power and how did Assad come to power ?! Assad rule came by inheritance. And on what basis are the Turks still considered an illegitimate president? His father rules since 1970, Assad's 45 years at the helm. And in 2014, elections were held and 75% of the population voted for Assad. So there is no docking with legitimacy.
      1. Down House
        Down House 4 December 2015 13: 44
        +8
        Quote: Aroma77
        So there is no docking with legitimacy.

        And not only with legitimacy - there is also the complete opposite of domestic and foreign policy!
        Assad does not at least support racist terrorists like pigs!
  • Glot
    Glot 4 December 2015 06: 53
    +4
    And all the political showdowns to an ordinary Turk before a turban.


    By and large, and we have the same. Yes, and in the spring and summer I think people will reach Turkey.

    We should wait a bit. Only liquid shurpa is boiled quickly. That’s all that the coming year of the Turks carries, and will show who they really are. Still Ottomans, or already 100% Turks.


    That's right, time will tell. It remains to wait a short time.
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 4 December 2015 07: 01
    27
    Great article. In any case, it is clear that residents of distant villages are aware of the matter and generally support Erdogan. So let continue to serve the scandalous British.
    1. U-96
      U-96 4 December 2015 07: 23
      -2
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      Great article. In any case, it is clear that residents of distant villages are aware of the matter and generally support Erdogan. So let continue to serve the scandalous British.

      In principle, Skomorokhov is counting on such gullible people with such a pulp. An episode with a comparison of the English and Russian delivered. Russian tactfully called suckers and restrainedly rejoiced at this.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 4 December 2015 07: 41
        +3
        Quote: U-96
        In principle, Skomorokhov is counting on such gullible people with such a pulp. An episode with a comparison of the English and Russian delivered. Russian tactfully called suckers and restrainedly rejoiced at this.

        Alexander, if you are such a defender of the Russians, why do you have an avatar of a "Kriegsmarin" boat? Are you Robert Giese by accident? wassatyou have a strange patriotism ...
        1. Down House
          Down House 4 December 2015 13: 46
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Alexander, if you are such a defender of the Russians, why do you have an avatar of the "Kriegsmarin" boat?

          Because patriotism does not have to be leavened and there is nothing wrong with borrowing something positive from other cultures hi
          1. dali
            dali 4 December 2015 15: 22
            0
            Quote: Down House
            Because patriotism does not have to be leavened and there is nothing wrong with borrowing something positive from other cultures
            Duck are you U-96 ?! belay So say 2 in 1 ?! belay Both ours and yours ?! belay

            And where is it, where is the borrowing of the good? belay
            1. Down House
              Down House 4 December 2015 15: 33
              0
              Quote: Dali
              Duck are you U-96 ?!

              No, I just did not understand - what is the connection between nickname and patriotism? fellow
              1. dali
                dali 4 December 2015 22: 26
                0
                Quote: Down House
                No, I just did not understand - what is the connection between nickname and patriotism?

                Sorry, but I will answer a question with a question, though again, what is the borrowing of the good ones to use such a nickname ?! belay
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  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 December 2015 07: 05
    +7
    Yes, they will soon curse Erdogan for the ruined business. But quietly, in the kitchen, covering the phone with a pillow. There are not really ceremony with dissenters.
    But the fact that the Turks consider Northern Syria to be their territory is new! So don't just give up. Fighting with Russia is unlikely, but they will not "open their teeth" just like that.
  • Mowgli
    Mowgli 4 December 2015 07: 06
    22
    Akyl is the owner of a small hotel in Cyprus.


    I would say in the annexed part of Cyprus.
  • Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 4 December 2015 07: 07
    29
    Well, what with the Turk, can I agree?
    Armenian saying if you are dealing with a Turk, do not let go of the stick!
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 4 December 2015 09: 12
      +6
      And after all, this is true. Other such duplicitous people are difficult to find, or rather, here they are in second place.
      1. atakan
        atakan 4 December 2015 10: 53
        +3
        Quote: Bulrumeb
        rather, here they are on the second

        Yes, the holy place is English and few people can move them from the first))
    2. 97110
      97110 4 December 2015 11: 09
      -2
      Quote: Karavan-150
      Well, what with the Turk, can I agree?

      Back in the 90s of the last century, they asked for potatoes with lard in the Istanbul hotel at 02-00 local time (Kiev). We agreed, there was a potato with lard faster than they explained what we want. You can, you can agree.
  • goody
    goody 4 December 2015 07: 07
    +9
    Different cultures, different worlds and perceptions of reality, and each has its own truth.
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  • Ugrumiy
    Ugrumiy 4 December 2015 07: 21
    +6
    It is necessary to conduct explanatory work among such Turks and, at the same time, reap them with sanctions, and then point a finger at Erdogan - they say that he is the culprit of your troubles and a universal villain, let them arrange a Turkish maidan for him.
    1. samoletil18
      samoletil18 4 December 2015 08: 45
      10
      They gave us sanctions so that we, with a wave of popular anger, sweep away the regime of "bloody tyrant Putin, which is terribly inconvenient for the West. And what? Where is the Maidan?" But Gonopolsky dumped. He sensed the future fate.
      Everything about sanctions is mixed. They can set the Turkish people against Russia, rally around Erdogan.
      They will point us to the Crimea for a long time. This is only after the Third World New York Tribunal to document the correctness of Russia, and since now everyone is fine. Russia has returned strategically important territories. NATO has received an ideological occasion to receive money. Europe began to get rid of guilt complexes (almost all of them were noted in the Great Patriotic War and under Napoleon) and an unexpected chance arose of not becoming an Islamic EU. The United States has embarked on a fight against a common enemy. China is fishing in troubled waters. And here comes to the main thing that there is not everything to whom it is good. These are countries with potential Maidan or war. That's who has to spin. Have students held protests in Istanbul for a long time? They need a park! Erdogan hit in the back of Russia, because he is afraid of Americans, but Russia will not be maidanoniroat in Turkey - she is decent.
      From whom else but Turkey should I expect betrayal?
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 4 December 2015 09: 07
        +3
        Quote: samoletil18
        Erdogan hit in the back of Russia, because he is afraid of Americans,

        oh is it? as the saying goes, "the Americans were sitting under the bush, the Turks were sitting on the bush. And at the tip from below, they slapped the plane." he enlisted the support of the United States. that's why he grew bold. I didn't think they would throw him.
        1. Uzzy
          Uzzy 4 December 2015 09: 17
          +3
          I did not think that they would throw him.

          For more details, can I?
          Ps As far as I know, NATO supports the Turks "in protecting the borders of their airspace", as well as the borders of NATO ...
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 4 December 2015 10: 22
        +2
        Quote: samoletil18
        This is only after the Third World New York Tribunal to document the correctness of Russia,


        Hmm ... unobtrusively hinting at a positive outcome of this war for Russia ???

        Then it’s better to write - the Beijing Tribunal ... There everything will not be ruined and infected, as in New York ...
      3. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 4 December 2015 10: 34
        +2
        But it’s a pity that we, because of our decency, don’t give them maidan. Fight fire with fire!
    2. sisa29
      sisa29 4 December 2015 08: 51
      +4
      Replace in your comment instead of the Turks the word Russian and instead of Erdogan Putin, you get the US opinion on Russia with which they have been living for the second year
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 4 December 2015 10: 19
      +3
      Quote: Ugrumiy
      Among these Turks, it’s necessary to carry out explanatory work and, at the same time, reap their sanctions



      The novel in Russian said that when trying to carry out "explanatory" work, a flurry of emotions followed in an obscene form ...

      Let some Turk try to "explain" to me that northern Syria is theirs, and that Russia is meddling in other matters ??? I think he would have received no less a flurry from me ...

      Each of us has our own truth ...

      PS However, we will wait for the holiday season ... And the next interview taken by Roman from the same Turk ...
      1. Ugrumiy
        Ugrumiy 4 December 2015 10: 39
        +3
        Well, in this particular case, the explanations were expressed "head-on" and quite directly, here is the reaction. And if the same Turk had been carefully hammered into our point of view for a month in a language he understands, then I think the effect would have been different.
      2. Down House
        Down House 4 December 2015 13: 49
        +1
        Quote: veksha50
        Each of us has our own truth.

        Oh come on?!
        The truth is true, but morality in general is common or very similar for all civilized cultures - supporting terrorists is bad in anyone!
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 4 December 2015 16: 32
          +3
          Quote: Down House
          The truth is true, but morality in general is common or very similar for all civilized cultures - supporting terrorists is bad at all!



          You tell it to Erdogan, Obama and many more political leaders ...
          1. Down House
            Down House 4 December 2015 20: 49
            +1
            Quote: veksha50
            You tell it to Erdogan, Obama and many more political leaders.

            It’s useless for them to say fellow
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 4 December 2015 07: 24
    +5
    It’s interesting, do NATO even consider northern Syria the territory of Turkey?
    Does everyone have collective insanity?
    Or quickly moved the border to justify the downed SU-24?
  • anip
    anip 4 December 2015 07: 31
    +5
    Because the British bringing their families (from among the employees at the bases) are notorious goons and brawlers. What a Russian will calmly pass by, having said the magic phrase "well, who's with him", the Englishman perceives as a personal insult. And to make amends for a sin before an Englishman is 5-6 times more expensive than before ours. Usually a couple of your own drink was enough.

    That's why Russians and Russia are not respected anywhere because there is enough drink, and the British will shake their own and grab someone else's.
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 4 December 2015 11: 22
      +1
      Quote: anip
      What a Russian will calmly pass by, having said the magic phrase "well, who's with him", the Englishman perceives as a personal insult. And to make amends for the sin before the Englishman is 5-6 times more expensive than before ours. Usually a couple of your own drink was enough.

      It seems that in the case of the downed Su-24, the Turks at the very top were sure, like this small businessman who had studied Russian nature. And who is to blame ...?
    2. Down House
      Down House 4 December 2015 13: 50
      +1
      Quote: anip
      That's why Russians and Russia are not respected anywhere because there is enough drink, and the British will shake their own and grab someone else's.

      I fully support!
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  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 December 2015 07: 33
    +8
    This is apparently a feature of peoples living in warm climates.
    I remember reading either a study or a statement about
    that the more favorable the climate, the more shitty people who live in it.
    That is, if a Siberian keeps his word, it helps without question,
    then a Turk or an Arab will extort, betray and vomit.
    1. Kindof
      Kindof 4 December 2015 09: 05
      11
      What you are talking about is a property of mentality.
      Gumilyov ascribes his mentality to each civilization
      in Eurasia, for example, the cult of the guest: even the enemy will not be killed if he is a guest in the house
      Middle East: a knife in the back is not for the enemy - the norm
      West: man to man is a wolf, his own shirt is closer to the body

      The influence of climate on intellectual-volitional qualities is established:
      Closer to the North (from antiquity): if you are not quick, do not know how to invent, negotiate, add up efforts - you will not survive
      Where did you learn to get fire before: in the north or in the south? Probably where it is needed more.
      That is why Russian, Eurasian civilization, relying in the construction of society on the moral standards of justice and rationality: why slavery, when there is an understanding of the common good and fair distribution.
      The basis of the economic structure of the Middle East and Western Europe is historically slavery.
      1. andrew42
        andrew42 4 December 2015 12: 06
        +9
        Well, the Turks stand apart here, among the peoples of the Middle East. The very genesis of the Turkish community stood and stands on the fact that a Turk should have 2 inalienable attributes: 1) a scimitar to cut the throats of "rams" 2) a bag to put the stolen goods. After that, for a while, the Turks became a "peaceful merchant". The Turks are of course a warlike and brave people, but only for the swag, and with those who are weaker. In this regard, even the Arabs differed from the Turks significantly: they conquered Iran, - introduced jizya, - if you don't want Islam, pay the tax. The Turks always did not care who to rob, here Islam is a cover, and the consolidation is purely ethnic, according to the principle of a national gang. Guilt or trouble is a side conversation. Since the time of Sultan Sanjar, the Turkish people have also had a difficult fate, but at all times the Turks have solved problems by conquest and plunder. I have been robbed, so will I. Twice. Three is better. Especially if they are toothless Byzantine Greeks, or defenseless disunited Armenians. I remembered: ".. But that's how it happens. You will fall, but he does not finish. You stab in the back, and do not expect an answer. Harrosh man, intellectual" (there was such a song in the movie "Don't be afraid, I'm with you") , - the confession of a Turk of all times.
        1. tracer
          tracer 5 December 2015 16: 23
          0
          It is strange even as the other person clearly reflects my own thoughts.
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  • Teplohod
    Teplohod 4 December 2015 07: 37
    +2
    As in the joke "but there is one nuance," so is the comparison of Russia's interests in Ukraine and Turkey's interests in Syria.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 4 December 2015 07: 40
    +8
    At times it seemed that I was really talking with ukr

    So, many years of brain processing in Africa will make an aborigine a jumping (only on its own occasion) "miracle" similar to the current Ukrainian.
    Regarding the northern part of Syria, the Armenians also consider Ararat their own and have been living with this for many years. Therefore, the Turks sometimes would not hurt to think about the consequences of their actions.
    1. MREDBEST
      MREDBEST 4 December 2015 08: 50
      10
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Regarding the northern part of Syria, the Armenians also consider Ararat their own and have been living with this for many years. Therefore, the Turks sometimes would not hurt to think about the consequences of their actions.

      Yes, if you study the history of the land where today's Turkey is located, you can come to the conclusion that whoever did not belong to it ... And if now all nations begin to demand historical justice like "once this land was under our control" - there is such the mess will begin!
    2. Kindof
      Kindof 4 December 2015 09: 10
      -3
      Maybe when the Armenians talk about this - they mean - cognac?
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 4 December 2015 07: 41
    0
    .. Something I did not understand: where would Parashenko call? To Crimea? what to do ? bomb the demonstrators? ... maybe he would have called to bomb Donetsk again? ..not some kind of docking ...
  • sa-ag
    sa-ag 4 December 2015 07: 44
    0
    "... And the so-called Northern Syria from us after the war (the First World War. - Approx. Auth.) Was also wrongly taken."
    Sykes-Pico agreement or what?
  • Wolka
    Wolka 4 December 2015 07: 48
    +5
    and there was a goat hunting to comb hair ...
  • Masya masya
    Masya masya 4 December 2015 08: 29
    +7
    In short, there’s nothing to talk about, your mine doesn’t understand ... The mentality is different
  • parusnik
    parusnik 4 December 2015 08: 30
    11
    What can you talk about with the Turk?..Not for nothing in Russia they say that they would emphasize obstinacy and not understanding the interlocutor, Well, you are Turks ..
  • Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 4 December 2015 08: 39
    +2
    And they understand only one language, the language of power
  • Varies
    Varies 4 December 2015 08: 56
    +3
    Oh, they’re pranksters, Assad is the legitimate president in his country, whatever they come up with, and Potroshenko is a criminal who seized power through an armed coup.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2015 16: 16
      +2
      Quote: Varies
      Oh, they’re pranksters, Assad is the legitimate president in his country, whatever they come up with, and Potroshenko is a criminal who seized power through an armed coup.

      Well, actually. Poroshenko Russia recognizes as the legitimate president, whether you like it or not.
      1. Old old
        Old old 6 December 2015 23: 39
        0
        Well, actually. Poroshenko Russia recognizes as the legitimate president, whether you like it or not.

        Nobody has canceled diplomacy.
        Recognizing Poroshenko as the legal (acting) president, the Kremlin did not recognize him as legitimate (legal).
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 4 December 2015 09: 07
    +6
    Naturally, the Turks are for their own, what do you want. A hundred years have not fought seriously. Handles itch.
    Azerbaijanis, which is interesting, are also for the Turks. As our government did not adapt to them, which privileges they did not give them — all do not care. One believers and almost one people. 10 million at least now rummaging around in the Russian expanses. To catch - not to catch.
  • oracul
    oracul 4 December 2015 09: 19
    12
    Actually, there is nothing surprising in the Turk's position. The fact that Syria, as a state, was created according to the patterns of the British and French, is well known. But this is not a reason to fight, let alone plunder the country, since Syria is a religiously tolerant, multi-confessional country in this respect. Moreover, Erdogan was even on friendly terms with Assad. What made you suddenly break everything? The main reason is the United States, with its desire to organize chaos in the Middle East and to seize oil resources. And here the Americans skillfully played on the pathological greed (primarily) of Erdogan and his desire to restore the Ottoman Empire (again). The people of Turkey fell for the natural desire to return the former greatness of the Ottomans. It was not for nothing that the series "The Magnificent Century" was even filmed, which was watched with pleasure in Russia. It is quite obvious that for Erdogan, stolen oil, promising fabulous profits, is primary, and not at all Northern Syria, where in fact there are no large oil fields. After all, the country lived peacefully and calmly. Think how much Turkish money has been poured into some fuel trucks, into logistics, into processing. The Americans with the coalition only imitated the ISIS bombing and prepared with the help of radicals to overwhelm Assad - this is their main goal. Erdogan tirelessly calculated profits by stealing and selling oil. He had to hurry, because it could not last forever: at the right moment the Americans would say - stop, we are in the calculation. And everything went like clockwork until Russia intervened in this well-thought-out and well-organized bacchanalia. Here any dealer will blow his head.
  • starwars
    starwars 4 December 2015 09: 36
    11
    Erdogan has arrived in Moscow!
    1. Apsit
      Apsit 4 December 2015 11: 29
      +5
      So in principle it should be. Not quite civilized, but right.
  • GOGY
    GOGY 4 December 2015 10: 04
    +5
    This Turk would have remembered about Crimea (by the way, even His Serene Highness Prince Potemkin proposed to rename the Turkish Kyrym to Taurida) ... Maybe they will also return the tribute for "300 years" am And Turkey is all so white and fluffy, and the fact that the ancestors of the Turks seized the lands of the former Byzantine Empire led by Constantinople is like that! We beat them a little, we didn’t finish them, but it’s a pity angry Talking about justice is useless - not the mentality. They understand only power, and I think our tourist was lucky - well, would this Turk rush to fight?
  • aviator1913
    aviator1913 4 December 2015 10: 41
    +3
    In fact, the Turk is right in something. For us, Ukraine is like Syria to Turkey. The bulk of the Syrians are Sunites, but the Alavites rule those who are a minority, as in Ukraine, if the bulk consider themselves friends of Russia, Rusyns, Maloros, etc. population groups, but at the top of Zapadentsy and the like.
    The situation is actually similar. We help Novorossia in every possible way, help them fight the junta regime, if necessary, we carry weapons, we carry humanitarian aid, let volunteers pass, buy the products of their factories, support social services, well, Turkey does the same thing. Supports Sunni groups, a "pseudo-opposition", IS for them is like Milchakov for Russia, like a scumbag, a flayer, but ours is doing a good job in Donbass.

    They supply humanitarian aid, weapons, ammunition to them, they buy oil to help financially. Actually a similar situation. The fact that we are pushing these Turkoman, so that with the collapse of Syria, Assad and the Alawites would have the whole coast, without holes in the north, makes the Turks angry, it's like we were angry about the bombing of the Ukrainian Donbass.
    After these bombings, we rejoiced when the militia began to shoot down the Ukrainian Air Force, Su-24, transport workers with paratroopers, etc. In the same way, Turkoman are happy.
    Of course, no one cancels the fact that terrorism is a global threat and ISIS, Anusur must be crushed by all means, and the fact that they shot a pilot who parachuted this war crime, but there is still a certain double-standard policy on the issue of the war in Syria.
    1. vvv-73
      vvv-73 4 December 2015 11: 26
      +2
      Well, then, every action has consequences. We have sanctions for the Donbass and Crimea. They also now have sanctions for the downed plane and killed servicemen of the Russian Federation. The whole question is how much they are willing to pay their price.
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 4 December 2015 11: 35
        +1
        I agree. But judging by the enthusiastic responses to Erdogan's bellicose speeches in his parliament, the absence of opposition, Erdogan's strong propaganda machine, the situation will be akin to Russia. "We have no need for sanctions, we won't go to the Russian coast, we will push our efforts for the sake of the country, etc."

        (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-qFx9hmRsQ)

        In this regard, our mentality is similar in Russia and in Turkey.
        1. andrew42
          andrew42 4 December 2015 12: 18
          +4
          no, our mentality is not like. The Turks fought, are fighting, and they think to fight only for swag. No swag - no war. there is a swag, - you can cut everyone without exception. The Russians are fighting for completely different reasons, the benefit is, last but not least, without any hint of any genocide for thousands of years, and especially no one asked us whether we want to fight or not, we barely had time to parry the blows.
          1. aviator1913
            aviator1913 4 December 2015 12: 42
            -6
            Well, here, too, is not so simple. The contractors here are also not fighting for candy wrappers, and the swag thing is needed. Everyone will not fight for the idea, times are not the same. Now we are mainly fighting because of political goals, and not because of some kind of genocide.
            1. bogdan
              bogdan 4 December 2015 12: 55
              +3
              So in the Second World War, servicemen received money for maintenance, and issued bonuses for destroyed enemy equipment. And with Ukraine, in general, a comparison is inappropriate. Putin from Ukraine does not rub fat with salvos.
              1. aviator1913
                aviator1913 4 December 2015 13: 00
                -4
                Well, we are buying the products of factories in the Donbass, and the cartridge factory seems to be partially transferred from there to our territory. Coal from the Donbass is also going in different directions, it is bought in Ukraine, in Russia. In the same way as the IG oil that Turks, Kurds, SAA Assad buy.
                1. Serhio
                  Serhio 4 December 2015 16: 06
                  +1
                  But there is one nuance-IG recognized as a terrorist organization, and Novorossia not. This is the essence.
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 4 December 2015 16: 22
                    +1
                    Quote: Serhio
                    But there is one nuance-IG recognized as a terrorist organization, and Novorossia not. This is the essence

                    The bottom line is that Turkomans are not ISIS.
                    1. KG_patriot_last
                      KG_patriot_last 4 December 2015 16: 38
                      0
                      Al Qaeda branch of the United States considers democratic? Wasn't Barack Obama sitting in some kind of cramped shed and watching a video of how Bin Laden was executed?
                    2. Des10
                      Des10 5 December 2015 16: 01
                      0
                      Quote: atalef
                      The bottom line is that Turkomans are not ISIS.

                      Yeah, but we don’t know about it.
            2. Down House
              Down House 4 December 2015 14: 00
              +3
              Quote: aviator1913
              Our contractors are also not fighting for candy wrappers, and the swag thing is necessary.

              That is, they have to work in the army "for food" ?!
              And the fact that they are "for swag" in the army are protecting the interests of the Motherland, which from the outset will not bomb civilians for any "swag" does not bother either ?!
              One should try so hard to draw common parallels between the "contractor" and the "terrorist"! laughing
              1. aviator1913
                aviator1913 4 December 2015 14: 10
                -2
                It is necessary to try so hard to draw common parallels between the "contractor" and the "terrorist"


                There, in general, the soldiers of Turkey were discussed, among whom I think there will also be patriots.

                "The Turks have fought, are fighting, and they think to fight only for swag. No swag, - no war. There is swag, - you can cut everyone out."

                Previously, when soldiers went only on draft, the soldier’s cash allowance was minimal, but now the contractor has pretty good cash allowance.
                1. Down House
                  Down House 4 December 2015 14: 21
                  0
                  Quote: aviator1913
                  There, in general, the soldiers of Turkey were discussed, among whom I think there will also be patriots.

                  And then one might think that there were few patriots among the SS sheep, we could not kill them only because they were patriots ?!
                  Or will we turn our heads on, that there are criminals among the "patriots" too ?!
                  Quote: aviator1913
                  Previously, when soldiers went only on draft, the soldier’s cash allowance was minimal, but now the contractor has pretty good cash allowance.

                  Firstly, not so good, especially considering the "work" conditions.
                  Secondly, they initially go to the army to defend the Motherland from the "supposed threat" - to fight, and even more so to cut their heads out of them no one is particularly eager!
                  1. aviator1913
                    aviator1913 4 December 2015 15: 14
                    0
                    And then one might think that there were few patriots among the SS sheep, we could not kill them only because they were patriots ?!
                    Or will we turn our heads on, that there are criminals among the "patriots" too ?!


                    Have you read the comment to which this answer was originally intended?

                    Here it is:
                    The Turks fought, are fighting, and they think to fight only for swag.


                    Firstly, not so good, especially considering the "work" conditions.
                    Secondly, they initially go to the army to defend the Motherland from the "supposed threat" - to fight, and even more so to cut their heads out of them no one is particularly eager!


                    Basically, everyone goes to the army to defend the homeland, its interests and all that. The Turkish army is not an exception here, and my answer was about the Turkish Armed Forces
                    The Turks fought, are fighting, and they think to fight only for swag.
                    , but not ISIS. Read carefully.
                    1. Down House
                      Down House 4 December 2015 15: 45
                      +2
                      Quote: aviator1913
                      Have you read the comment to which this answer was originally intended?

                      Yes, you initially write:
                      "For us, Ukraine is like Syria for Turkey."
                      I initially answer you:
                      "We support terrorists in Ukraine who blow up civilians?!?!?!
                      Maybe Assad is bombing and shooting civilians?!?!?! "
                      Your further attempts to get away from direct questions and present the fascists as "patriots" while equalizing the casualties among civilians and "terrorists" look at least mean!
                      Quote: aviator1913
                      The Turkish army is not an exception here, and my answer was about the Turkish Armed Forces

                      The armed forces of Russia did not shoot down Turkish planes over Turkish territory, even the armed forces of Greece did not shoot down Turkish planes over their territory!
                      And why can Turkey bring down something there ?!
                      How is she then different from an ordinary felon ?!
                      How does the pilot of her plane differ from the usual killer ?!
                      Nothing!
                      And your "double standards" will not help you!
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 4 December 2015 16: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Down House
                        We support terrorists in Ukraine, exploding civilians?!?!?!

                        Ukrainians say yes
                        Quote: Down House
                        Maybe Assad is bombing and shooting civilians?!?!?! "

                        Turks will say yes.
                        Quote: Down House
                        Your further attempts to get away from direct questions and present the fascists as "patriots" while equalizing the casualties among civilians and "terrorists" look at least mean!

                        You are deeply mistaken in your approach.
                        Fascists or patriots - it depends only on the question - how the propaganda works and which side you are on.
                        But the rest does not play a role. TK Can you prove to a Ukrainian before urination that he is a fascist, but will you receive exactly the same accusations in response?
                        Don’t look at the situation - it’s absolutely identical and Assad is no more legitimate than Poroshenko, he bombes the same peaceful inhabitants, and the minority rules Everything is the same, and as Russians say about the Russian world and some people have rights to it, so Turkey (another example infectious) - speaks of the Turkish world (which it ruled a couple of hundred years more than its Russian Empire), and this part of Syria was Turkey, and Turkoman not only speak Turkish, but also in their mass - Turkish citizens.
                        And now just change Syria to Ukraine. Assad - Poroshenko, Novorossia (Crimea) - Turkoman lands, Russian Empire - Ottoman Empire. Russian world - Turkish world.
                        And here the Russians - they arrive to bomb them! (Of course, following a tip from the Syrian general staff) - how would Russia react if NATO planes would bomb New Russia and periodically fly into Russian airspace?
                        That and that. Often starting some controversy and propaganda of historical rights, you don’t think that someone can take the same rhetoric into service - and then prove how the scout differs from the spy. wink
                      2. Proponent
                        Proponent 4 December 2015 19: 53
                        +5
                        "Lay softly and hard to sleep."

                        This is all of course folding, if not for one but!

                        In eastern Ukraine, they don’t cut their heads at the camera, they don’t announce the goal of capturing the whole world and baptizing everyone. Also, Russia does not export tons of coal and do not try to extract shale oil there ...

                        Since the 90s Turkey has sent and sponsored militants to us .. but I don’t remember that a Russian man with a cry "Christ is risen" blew up mosques in Turkey and took hostages. They were the first to start! lol

                        Maybe the Turkamans organized a referendum !? Substitution of concepts and double standards, modern trend =)
                      3. Down House
                        Down House 4 December 2015 20: 56
                        +4
                        Quote: atalef
                        Fascists or patriots - it depends only on the question - how the propaganda works and which side you are on.

                        Propaganda is propaganda, but every patriot must remember that side, having stepped over which he becomes a fascist.
                        After all, we Germans in the Second World War didn’t kill because they were patriots of a foreign country, or because propaganda acted on us — but because the Germans burned our village with flamethrowers with our women and children!
                        Therefore, propaganda is propaganda, and the "victims of propaganda" are always only on one side, and on the other, there are corpses from these very "victims of propaganda"!
                        Quote: atalef
                        And now just change Syria to Ukraine.

                        It will not work - in Syria, terrorists, in Ukraine civilians!
                        Change their places, how to change SS-tsev and Jews, if you know what I mean!
                      4. Old old
                        Old old 7 December 2015 00: 34
                        0
                        Don’t look at the situation - it’s absolutely identical and Assad is no more legitimate than Poroshenko, he bombes the same peaceful inhabitants, and the minority rules

                        What is this statement based on? On Tel Aviv's statements? Do you read the Iranian Foreign Ministry - is Israel "the devil on Earth"? Who is right?
                        When did Assad make a coup? Or is a coup d'etat and elections the same thing? Or should the occupation of the Syrian Gollan be somehow legitimized?
                      5. Old old
                        Old old 7 December 2015 00: 34
                        0
                        Don’t look at the situation - it’s absolutely identical and Assad is no more legitimate than Poroshenko, he bombes the same peaceful inhabitants, and the minority rules

                        What is this statement based on? On Tel Aviv's statements? Do you read the Iranian Foreign Ministry - is Israel "the devil on Earth"? Who is right?
                        When did Assad make a coup? Or is a coup d'etat and elections the same thing? Or should the occupation of the Syrian Gollan be somehow legitimized?
      2. atalef
        atalef 4 December 2015 16: 21
        +2
        Quote: aviator1913
        I agree. But judging by the enthusiastic responses to Erdogan's bellicose speeches in his parliament, the absence of opposition, Erdogan's strong propaganda machine, the situation will be akin to Russia. "We have no need for sanctions, we won't go to the Russian coast, we will push our efforts for the sake of the country, etc."

        It will be so, therefore, it is useless to wait for an apology from Turkey, as well as establishing relations in the near future.
        1. aviator1913
          aviator1913 4 December 2015 17: 17
          -2
          I agree. But Erdogan is not eternal, Syria will also calm down sooner or later, it is not Palestine, and then peace and friendship of chewing gum will return. Peace, trade, tourism is beneficial to everyone, so we will wait.
  • Down House
    Down House 4 December 2015 13: 56
    +3
    Quote: aviator1913
    For us, Ukraine is like Syria to Turkey.

    We support terrorists in Ukraine, exploding civilians?!?!?!
    Can Assad bomb and shoot civilians?!?!?!
    Maybe you turn your head on, otherwise Turkish influence has settled in it ?! fellow
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 4 December 2015 14: 14
      -3
      We support terrorists in Ukraine, exploding civilians?!?!?!
      Can Assad bomb and shoot civilians?!?!?!

      There is no direct analogy, but an indirect one. For Erdogan, the problem of Syria is the same as for Donbass and Ukraine for Putin. The electorate of Russia wants to protect the Donbass - Putin is protecting, the electorate of Erdogan wants to protect the Sunites of Syria (whoever they are) - Erdogan protects them, and puts the sticks in the wheels of our VKS.
      1. Down House
        Down House 4 December 2015 14: 32
        +4
        Quote: aviator1913
        There is no direct analogy, but an indirect one.

        Here is exactly what the analogy is DIRECT!
        More precisely, everyone pursues their interests in this world - but some do it in fair competition without stepping over the law and generally accepted norms of morality, while others step over!
        Some become entrepreneurs and pay taxes and salaries "for swag"!
        Others "for swag" become bandits and rob and kill people!
        Some "for khabar" support the civilian population and the legitimate civilized president!
        Others "for swag" support the Nazis and terrorists, this is the most peaceful population of those who kill!
        And they are all NOT EQUAL!
        And do not carry the nonsense that "everyone has their own truth" - it's all nonsense!
        Don't give a damn about "your own or someone else's truth" - here the law and generally recognized moral norms are primary, and you are either "in the law" and have the right to your interests, or you are "outside the law" and you have no rights and you have no truth and you need extinguish without talking!
        1. aviator1913
          aviator1913 4 December 2015 14: 50
          -4
          More precisely, everyone pursues their interests in this world - but some do it in fair competition without stepping over the law and generally accepted norms of morality, while others step over!


          For politicians, there are no laws and moral standards. There are interests of his state that are above all these concepts. If in order to defeat Hitler and protect my country, it is necessary to crush the border territories for yourself, for proper defense, and the necessary deployment of troops, this must be done, despite the fact that this will be a violation of international law. Since the interests of my country are higher than the moral and territorial integrity of another. So in this case, if to destroy the terrorists that threaten my country you need to iron all of Syria, including residential areas, I do not care about the Syrians. Since the safety and life of my citizens and the interests of my country are above moral principles. But at the same time, I do not play moral phage, hoping that I am a saint, and there are Devils sitting around.
          1. Down House
            Down House 4 December 2015 15: 32
            +4
            Quote: aviator1913
            For politicians, there are no laws and moral standards.

            There are actually.
            But this is if we certainly are not talking about England-USA.
            Quote: aviator1913
            There are interests of his state that are above all these concepts

            Lies - thousands of states have existed in the entire history of mankind, but the vast majority of them, even in antiquity, did not descend to the genocide of the local population.
            Quote: aviator1913
            If in order to defeat Hitler and defend my country, you need to crush the border territories for yourself,

            Firstly, not to "defeat Hitler" but to protect their people from GENOCIDE.
            Second, not "border" ones, but originally their own and stolen by the separatists.
            Thirdly, the countries of "aggressors" were building plans for world domination on the bones of hundreds of millions of people still alive at that time!
            Fourthly, no one destroyed the civilian population in these "territories"!
            Quote: aviator1913
            if to destroy the terrorists that threaten my country you need to iron all of Syria, including residential areas

            We are not "ironing" Syria, let alone residential areas, we are destroying terrorists with the support of the legitimate president and his people!
            Quote: aviator1913
            Since the safety and life of my citizens and the interests of my country are above moral principles.

            If this "your country" does not observe these very moral principles, they initially have no right to exist!
            Quote: aviator1913
            But at the same time I do not play moral phage

            At the same time, you play a very muddy and vile game, pretending that there is "no difference" between the victim-criminal prosecutor, but it is obvious to any reasonable person that this triad does not contain "three different truths and three different interests" - the truth is only one and one criminal and two people!
      2. vvv-73
        vvv-73 5 December 2015 14: 10
        0
        Yes, he does not want to protect the Sunnis, but to squeeze out the territory. The states stirred up everything in Syria and Iraq, and Erdogan decided to take advantage of the situation. And here already almost swallowed a piece of tear from his mouth.
      3. Old old
        Old old 7 December 2015 19: 41
        0
        For Erdogan, Syria’s problem is the same as for Donbass and Ukraine for Putin. The electorate of Russia wants to protect Donbass- Putin protects ...

        Sending humcon convoys is not a military invasion and military assistance. However, the Turkish military operate in the north of the SAR and Turkey does not hide this.
        Or did the Russian army occupy the southeast of Ukraine and Poroshenko is fighting a 200-strong army of Putin’s Buryats?
  • Turkir
    Turkir 4 December 2015 15: 30
    0
    From the 1400th century, Damascus became the provincial center of the Mamluk Empire. In XNUMX, Syria was attacked by Turks from Central Asia. Tamerlan defeated the Mamluk detachments, destroyed Damascus and took all his wealth to Samarkand.
    Since 1517, Syria for 4 centuries became part of the Ottoman Empire.

    Four centuries of occupation. Lawrence of Arabia appeared, fought against the Turks ..
    Let's go further -
    Syria's modern statehood dates back a little over 70 years, but civilization was born here in the IV millennium BC e. The capital is Damascus, one of the oldest constantly populated cities in the world.

    So there were the Romans, the Byzantines. Arabs conquered Syria from Byzantium. And only since 1517 ...
    It would be necessary, as under Nasser, to unite Syria with Egypt. What was it called then ..,
    The United Arab Republic (UAR) is a state that existed in 1958-1971 in northern Africa and Western Asia. Until 1961, it was an alliance of two countries - Syria and Egypt.

    This will be a somersault ... for Turkey and the USA.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 December 2015 16: 38
      -1
      Quote: Turkir
      Four centuries of occupation. Lawrence of Arabia appeared, fought against the Turks ..

      So it is about Crimea (excuse me, you can say) - Crimea, what is originally Russian land? And the Turks were there (in time much more Russians) - so decide who occupied whom and who has more rights.
      1. Down House
        Down House 4 December 2015 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        So the same is about Crimea (excuse me, you can say) - Crimea, what is originally Russian land?

        1. He is not Turkish initially.
        2. The entire modern world is built on a "just principle" - the recognition of borders today and now as the only true ones!
        Any violation of this principle automatically turns a "revanchist" into an "aggressor".
      2. Good me
        Good me 4 December 2015 23: 02
        +2
        Quote: atalef
        So it is about Crimea (excuse me, you can say) - Crimea, what is originally Russian land? And the Turks were there (in time much more Russians) - so decide who occupied whom and who has more rights.


        Let's think together who has the rights to the peninsula.

        At different times, Crimea was owned by Tauris and Cimmerians, Scythians and Greeks, Sarmatians and Romans, Goths, Huns, Avars, Bulgarians, Khazars, Slavs, Pechenegs, Polovtsy, Karaites, Mongols and Crimean Tatars, Italians and Turks, RI, USSR (RSFSR- USSR), Ukraine.

        From the end of the 15th century, coastal cities and the mountainous part of Crimea became part of the Ottoman Empire. The rest of the peninsula was owned by the Crimean Khanate - the vassal of the Ottoman Empire, a highwayman.

        The Russian-Turkish war of the 1768 — 1774 years put an end to the Ottoman rule over the Crimea, and according to the Kuchuk-Kainardzhi peace treaty of the 1774 year, the Ottomans refused claims to the peninsula.
        In 1783, the Crimean peninsula was annexed to the Russian Empire. And further, one way or another, the fate of Crimea, and its peoples, is connected with Russia.

        A memorial plaque at the place of signing the contract in 1774, the village of Kainardzha, Bulgaria
      3. vvv-73
        vvv-73 5 December 2015 14: 13
        0
        And before the Turks, the Greeks, and before them there was someone else.
      4. Old old
        Old old 7 December 2015 19: 04
        0
        So it is about Crimea (excuse me, you can say) - Crimea, what is originally Russian land? And the Turks were there (in time much more Russians) - so decide who occupied whom and who has more rights.

        With regard to Palestine and Israel, are you ready to say "decide who occupied whom and who has more rights to what?"
  • atalef
    atalef 4 December 2015 16: 20
    0
    Quote: aviator1913
    In fact, the Turk is right in something. For us, Ukraine is like Syria for Turkey

    in general, he is right in everything, as the Russians consider themselves right.
    His statement is simply a mirror image of the conversations of Russians regarding the Crimea and New Russia. As they say find at least 2 differences
    Your analysis is absolutely adequate.
    Anyway - everything is disgracefully similar.
    Yes, each stick has 2 ends.
    1. KG_patriot_last
      KG_patriot_last 4 December 2015 16: 53
      +1
      Take another breath: "O Palestine, Palestine" laughing

      Ukraine - OUN-UPA. Turkey - Al Qaeda. What else can be the claims against Donbass (against those who at one time burned Jews / Russians / Poles), Syria (against those who beheaded opponents today) and comparisons? On the territory of Syria, it seems, from such atrocities only the massacre that the Druze organized against Christians 2 centuries ago was ...

      I think the situation in the "Middle West" would be better if the Persians did not seem from the idiotic obsession with Israel ...
  • Old old
    Old old 7 December 2015 00: 20
    0
    The situation is actually similar. We help Novorossia in every possible way, help them fight the junta regime, if necessary, we carry weapons, we carry humanitarian aid, let volunteers pass, buy the products of their factories, support social services, well, Turkey does the same thing. Supports Sunni groups, a "pseudo-opposition", IS for them is like Milchakov for Russia, like a scumbag, a flayer, but ours is doing a good job in Donbass.

    Well, of course! Assad came to power as a result of a coup d'etat under Nazi (Islamic) slogans, and referendums on separation from the SAR were held in the occupied Syrian territories.
    DPR-LPR "terrorists" cut heads and blow up not only in Ukraine, but around the world. And Russia alone helps the republics. A "peaceful" ISIS supported by
    The US and the EU are fighting the "satrap" Assad with pacifist methods. And not with the support of ISIS, Turkey and Israel occupied part of Syria. Etc. etc.
    So, do not distort the facts and do not confuse cause and effect.
  • Old old
    Old old 7 December 2015 00: 20
    0
    The situation is actually similar. We help Novorossia in every possible way, help them fight the junta regime, if necessary, we carry weapons, we carry humanitarian aid, let volunteers pass, buy the products of their factories, support social services, well, Turkey does the same thing. Supports Sunni groups, a "pseudo-opposition", IS for them is like Milchakov for Russia, like a scumbag, a flayer, but ours is doing a good job in Donbass.

    Well, of course! Assad came to power as a result of a coup d'etat under Nazi (Islamic) slogans, and referendums on separation from the SAR were held in the occupied Syrian territories.
    DPR-LPR "terrorists" cut heads and blow up not only in Ukraine, but around the world. And Russia alone helps the republics. A "peaceful" ISIS supported by
    The US and the EU are fighting the "satrap" Assad with pacifist methods. And not with the support of ISIS, Turkey and Israel occupied part of Syria. Etc. etc.
    So, do not distort the facts and do not confuse cause and effect.
  • Apsit
    Apsit 4 December 2015 11: 54
    +2
    In principle, Akyl living in Cyprus, all of our showdowns are unpleasant. True, he categorically refused to comment on the story of the plane. And obviously not because he has some kind of his own position, but because he simply is not in the know. Yes, the plane was shot down. Who is right, who is to blame, he really doesn’t care.

    What then to talk about with him, if he is not in the subject? About ISIS, the main thing is not a word about the coalition either. Or Akyl does not know about this either.
    Quote: GOGY
    Talking about justice is useless - not the mentality.
  • Belousov
    Belousov 4 December 2015 11: 59
    +6
    And what is the meaning of the article? It is clear that there is also an information war. But equate Donbass to Syria ... wassat Or did Assad threaten to slaughter someone on a national basis? Or bombed peaceful cities? Or came to power after an armed coup? What other Northern Syria has appeared?
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 4 December 2015 12: 46
      +1
      Well, actually, his father gained power as a result of a military coup organized by the Alawites. Since the Alawites were the backbone of the army. Along with the war with ISIS, a civil war is really going on in Syria, the Sunnis want to take power because they are the majority, the Kurds want autonomy, the Turkoman want to become part of Turkey.
      1. vvv-73
        vvv-73 5 December 2015 14: 16
        0
        However, for some reason, mostly mercenaries are fighting.
    2. Doctorleg
      Doctorleg 4 December 2015 17: 23
      0
      Quote: Belousov
      And what is the meaning of the article? It is clear that there is also an information war. But equate Donbass to Syria ... wassat Or did Assad threaten to slaughter someone on a national basis? Or bombed peaceful cities? Or came to power after an armed coup? What other Northern Syria has appeared?

      Poroshenko, did he threaten to cut out Russians in the Donbass?
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 4 December 2015 12: 11
    11
    typical turk. he is very well characterized by his verbiage. almost like his prezik erdogan - a plane separately, and profits separately. he doesn’t want to discuss the plane because he doesn’t know :), but he really wants to make money on Russians, and treating them like second-class people. it’s not even veiled - you’ll think about the problems with the Russians, you poured them a glass and everything is settled, and the British will shake their souls. this is a typical approach of the Turks to the Russians, those who rested in Turkey, he saw a difference in attitude towards tourists, for example, from Germany, Sweden and tourists from the Russian Federation. I’m not saying that everyone should be treated like enemies, no, we need to build good-neighborly relations with surrounding and distant countries, but remember that in FRIENDS we only have: our people, army and navy.
  • bootlegger
    bootlegger 4 December 2015 12: 12
    +6
    All these conversations with the Turk, these are conversations in favor of the poor ...
    Geopolitics and justice are incompatible things. When one empire goes against another, the one who is stronger is right.
    It is possible to understand the Turks in the situation with Syria, as with the former part of the Ottoman Empire. But their complexes are not our problems.
    Syria is primarily our ally, and Turkey is an ally of our enemy and our former, albeit weakened, enemy.
    Well and most importantly. Our country is always right, just because it is ours. And all the other arguments, including those to whom belonged 100 or more years ago, are of little interest to me.
    1. trantor
      trantor 4 December 2015 19: 33
      +1
      Quote: bootlegger
      Our country is always right, only because it is ours.

      And because she is right. :)
      But seriously, I just don't remember from history when Russia would have waged an obviously "unjust" war aimed at conquering or enslaving. Neither the Rurik, nor the Romanovs, nor, moreover, the USSR ever sinned about it. Russia is self-sufficient - you do not need someone else's, you would have to master your own "according to the mind."

      On the other hand, the question arises: If in the West, in AI or elsewhere everything is so democratically and economically wonderful, how they present it to everyone, so what the hell are you getting at us - Is it all bad? What's the catch?
      It's like garden neighbors. If one is well-groomed, growing and in abundance, then does he crawl into a neighbor-alcoholic to dig a small carrot from weeds, risking getting in the face. Knowing not everything is as good as it seems ....
  • hrenq
    hrenq 4 December 2015 12: 20
    +1
    Russia never got a conversation with the Turks. Sharks always understood only a fist.
  • garpastum75
    garpastum75 4 December 2015 12: 27
    +4
    Everything seems to be the way the Turk says, but there are several "buts". After the Crimea, we received so many sanctions that the Turks "never dreamed of," and Northern Cyprus is proof of that. Secondly, has anyone seen at least one photograph of an "oppositionist from Donbass" posing against the background of severed heads? And thirdly, I would like to hear from Akyl, what does he think about the Kurds, the financing of ISIS (In particular, the use of Turkish territory, since it is already a no brainer that oil is not transported through India)?
  • S_last
    S_last 4 December 2015 12: 52
    +2
    I think the article is the fruit of the author’s creative imagination. There is no such Turk in reality, not in Cyprus, not in Turkey.
    But in fact, I strongly doubt that any Turkish in Cyprus knows anything about the Ukrainian conflict, and even with such details. It is not interesting to them, just like you, for example, the Colombia-Venezuela conflict. And as for the English vacationers, I personally have a completely different opinion. I really did not have to go to Turkey, but in Europe, in particular in Spain, I came across them very often. They behave very much if they listen to music, come up and ask all the neighbors if they are bothering, calm, confident, emotionally restrained. Perhaps other British travel to Turkey.
    1. Down House
      Down House 4 December 2015 14: 02
      +2
      Quote: S_last
      any Turkish in Cyprus knows something about the Ukrainian conflict, and even with such details.

      They know, they know, the Crimea is not far from them, they look at it all their history!
    2. Petrik66
      Petrik66 4 December 2015 14: 10
      +1
      Bravo, to the very point about the British, and about the Turk.
  • mAgs
    mAgs 4 December 2015 13: 00
    0
    If Turks have official territorial claims against someone, what do they do in NATO? After all, there is still a story with northern Cyprus. If pritenzii not official, then necha buhtet that northern Syria supposedly de. It would be necessary for the Russian Foreign Ministry to control Turkey and NATO with these facts ...
    1. aviator1913
      aviator1913 4 December 2015 13: 08
      0
      But we didn’t have any official claims in Crimea before either, we removed the final official complaints against Ukraine in the 2010-2011 years, when there were problems across the Sea of ​​Azov, so the presence of official complaints does not add and does not reduce the legitimacy of including any subject or object in own property.
  • gorgo
    gorgo 4 December 2015 13: 19
    +5
    In fact, the Turks do not take into account one small point. Namely: Assad is the legally elected president, with whom until some point everyone handled greetings, and everything was ok. In Ukraine, Yanukovych was such, but not Poroshenko! Now, if Assad had been removed as a result of the coup, and Turkey would not have recognized it, then the situations would have been exactly the same. And here it’s quite the opposite!
    If Yanyk’s club didn’t merge the country, but would sit still, then the Westerners fighting Kiev would be considered separatists, then the situation would be exactly like the Syrian one.
    Another question is that Moscow recognized this Ukrainian government as legitimate ... for some x-th ... And from such positions the Turks are absolutely right.
  • VSkilled
    VSkilled 4 December 2015 13: 28
    +3
    “A kind word and Smith & Wesson works much better than just a kind word ...” ©

    And - at all: from the most stubborn and mindless Islamists to the most educated Jewish intellectuals in the ruling "ilits" of Geyropa and S_SH_P.
  • aviator1913
    aviator1913 4 December 2015 13: 31
    +2
    If the cudgel Yanyk did not merge the country, but would sit still, and then the Westerners fighting with Kiev would be considered separatists, then the situation would be exactly the same as the Syrian .......



    Once Poroshenko was recognized as the president of Ukraine, but at the same time we support the rebellious regions of Donbass, which Putin himself calls part of Ukraine, the situation is mirrored in Syria, in Ukraine the USA supports the legally elected president, which everyone recognized, in Syria we support the legally elected president who was elected in the elections. In Yemen, the situation with the Hausites, supported by Iran, is the same, although he himself recognized the president of Yemen, Muhammad Ali al-Khusi, who was later removed from power, for example, Ukraine and Yanukovych.

    So everyone has a policy of double standards, the United States, Europe, Ukraine, Russia, the Saudi monarchies .... Everyone has their own terrorists as friends, who have An-Nusra, who has Hezbollah.
    If this president is beneficial for you from your friend, no, he is your enemy, as well as with terrorists. Legitimacy, legitimacy to everyone on the side. The main thing is your interests. And it makes no sense to be offended by others; everyone ignores the law.
    1. gorgo
      gorgo 4 December 2015 13: 39
      +2
      Well right, of course. I also believe that international law is generally a fiction ... In politics, there is only the law of power, and nothing more. That is the nature of the fallen man.
      But still, initially Yanyk was sitting, Assad was sitting. Everyone recognized everyone, until suddenly they became bloody tyrants. Russia did not come side by side to Turkey to overthrow the president. And they came to us. Let not the Turks themselves, but their superiors. They also came to Syria! They, not Russia. And Russia there, in fact, came to defend itself. And they came to attack Ukraine. Still, there is a difference, in my opinion.
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 4 December 2015 14: 02
        +2
        Russia did not come side by side to Turkey to overthrow the president. And they came to us.


        But we came "Side by side with Turkey" to defend the president whose legitimacy Turkey is challenging. Syria is not like our neighbor, but for Turkey it is like Ukraine for Russia.


        And Russia there, in fact, came to defend itself.

        Russia is defending itself against ISIS by inflicting a preemptive strike, but "Pseudo-opposition" does not pose a threat to Russia, with the exception of "Al-Nusra", but we are bombing all of Assad's oppositionists in order for his regime to resist. Because it is beneficial for us, we do not want Sunni Syria, an ally of the Saudis, even if there is not an Islamic state there, the Alawite-Shiite regime is beneficial to us, and we will defend our advantage, people do not care about the United States or Russia. The main thing is to make a profit, no matter political, material or moral.
        1. Down House
          Down House 4 December 2015 14: 09
          +3
          Quote: aviator1913
          But we came "Side by side to Turkey" to defend the president whose legitimacy Turkey is challenging

          And what of it?! She can at least dispute Mars - no one gave her the right!
          Quote: aviator1913
          but we bomb all Assad’s opposition so that his regime can stand.

          Damn it, the fact that these "oppositionists" are not sitting in residential buildings, like normal oppositionists, but in military camps with machine guns and mortars and living in oil smuggling - you probably also do not mind ?!
          Doesn’t it bother you at all that with your comments you defend the interests of Turkey and NATO hostile to Russia ?!
          1. aviator1913
            aviator1913 4 December 2015 14: 29
            +1
            Well, many organizations live in smuggling, both loyal and not loyal to us. Oppositionists, well, Castro, Chegevara was also an oppositionist, but with arms in his hands he defended his rights.

            Doesn’t it bother you at all that with your comments you defend the interests of Turkey and NATO hostile to Russia ?!


            I don't give a damn about Turkey and NATO, I only urge to be objective, there is a conflict, there is a rival and an enemy in the form of Turkey. Say that Turkey is an accomplice to terrorism, etc. it makes no sense, they are promoting their interests, we are our own, everyone in the world does not give a damn about the loss of civilians, everyone has their interests most important, at the moment we are rivals with Turkey for the region. As soon as the problem with Syria is resolved, we will again become partners and friends. No emotions, ordinary business.
            1. Down House
              Down House 4 December 2015 14: 43
              +2
              Quote: aviator1913
              Oppositionists, well, Castro, Chegevara was also an oppositionist, but with arms in his hands he defended his rights.

              And they did not blow up peaceful homes and did not overthrow a legitimate government.
              Quote: aviator1913
              they promote their interests, we are our

              And we do not shoot down foreign planes over foreign territories and do not blow up planes with peaceful tourists and do not shoot artillery at peaceful houses!
              Our interests are LEGAL, and they are limitless - the lawless people cannot have the right to "their own interests" - they are outside the law.
        2. vvv-73
          vvv-73 5 December 2015 14: 26
          +1
          The fact is that in fact we are not at war with Turkey, and not even with the Isis, by and large. We are at war with the United States in the Middle East, through the fight against the igil - a tool of the States.
        3. Old old
          Old old 7 December 2015 00: 39
          0
          But we came "Side by side with Turkey" to defend the president whose legitimacy Turkey is challenging. Syria is not like our neighbor, but for Turkey it is like Ukraine for Russia.

          About the war in Yemen, look, you will discover many interesting things.
    2. Down House
      Down House 4 December 2015 14: 03
      +3
      Quote: aviator1913
      So everyone has a policy of double standards, the United States, Europe, Ukraine, Russia, the Saudi monarchies .... Everyone has their own terrorists as friends, who have An-Nusra, who has Hezbollah.

      What kind of terrorists are we supporting in the Donbas or in the Crimea ?!
      1. aviator1913
        aviator1913 4 December 2015 14: 18
        -1
        Hezbollah

        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%82%D0%B5%
        D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D
        1% 8B


        I meant them.
        1. Down House
          Down House 4 December 2015 14: 37
          +2
          Quote: aviator1913
          Hezbollah

          Yes, we, like 99% of the rest of the world, do not consider it a "terrorist organization" as well as 99% of similar organizations throughout the rest of the world - we simply do not meddle in other people's troubles.
          What's next?!
          What does this have to do with Turkey-Syria-Ukraine ?!
        2. Old old
          Old old 7 December 2015 20: 06
          0
          Hezbollah
          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BF%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%BA_%D1%82%D0%B5%

          D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%B2_%D0%A5%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BB%D

          1% 8B

          I meant them.


          The murder of a soldier of the aggressor army in the occupied territory is a terrorist attack, and the destruction of UN schools and hospitals with civilians is "peacekeeping" or "an unpleasant incident"?
          Explosives in the form of bombs and missiles - humanitarian-democratic, and in the form of IEDs and cars - totalitarian-terrorist?
          http://www.ansar.ru/world/oon-izrailskie-voennye-bombili-shkoly-v-gaze
          And by the way, Hezbola operates only in the occupied territories. You justify the actions of Turkey in Syria, you justify the actions of Palestine.
  • Down House
    Down House 4 December 2015 13: 33
    +2
    Not all Turks support Erdogan.

    And whom do they support, you can think better ?!
    True, he categorically refused to comment on the story of the plane.

    Yeah, naughty in the bushes - my hut from the edge I don’t know anything!
    At least half of his clients are Russians. Moreover, he has the biggest profit just from ours.

    Almost completely being dependent on Russia and adhering to anti-Russian policies is apparently in Turkish!
    And make amends to the Englishman is 5-6 times more expensive than ours.

    That's right, it is necessary that in front of us "to make amends for the sin" they were EXPENSIVE, they only understand this morality!
    After all, Turkey has not done anything that Russia would not have done in its time!

    Yeah, that is, Russia did not slaughter the Armenians and did not rape the Bulgarians just because "it didn’t do it ?! laughing
    And we also want her back. You want to take yours from Ukraine, but we want ours from Syria.

    Yeah, you have already taken "yours" from the Armenians - after that, you and the fact that you already have more than a lot!
    But nothing, soon the Kurds will take "their" from you!
    But we didn’t take anything from Ukraine, we wanted to see us ourselves - but in Syria and Kurdistan, no one wants to see you!
    And if Poroshenko called us "help", and we would come to Crimea? How would then Russia behaved?

    Yes, if Russia had not covered you with missiles in response, you would have been there in 5 seconds after the "invitation" - there is not the slightest reason for doubt !!!
    But we do not climb into Ukraine? What did the Russians forget here?

    We beat the terrorists, the enemies of the civilized world - whom you help! People without morality are apparently hard to understand! laughing
    I understood it like this: it hasn't come yet

    I realized that I had virtually "talked" with a Turk and still seemed to be dirty - I never rested there and did the right thing!
  • vnord
    vnord 4 December 2015 13: 59
    +2
    Quote: Kill the fascist
    those who rested in Turkey, he saw a difference in attitude towards tourists, for example, from Germany, Sweden and tourists from the Russian Federation. I do not speak,

    I work in tourism, familiar hoteliers in Turkey (and Bulgaria, too) asked this question. They answered Germans, Britons, i.e. how they traveled and will continue to travel, and you have either a crisis or a Russian revolution. Which confirms today's travel ban. Although they are a little cunning here, in my opinion the reason is different. Large German, British pension funds invest in hotels and then send their tourists through these investments. But accordingly, having invested money, they follow complaints and complaints.
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 4 December 2015 14: 08
    +2
    we have scouts, they have spies, we have people's liberation movements, they have gangs of thugs. To paraphrase Zhvanetsky, The angle of view depends on which side of the toilet door you are on. You can't be good to everyone. Our side is the only correct one, and the rest go through the forest. Previously, those for whom a moral victory remained were carefully swept into a corner and buried in a beautiful place. Let our Turkish "partners", as well as Ukrainians, Europeans and of course Ukrainian brothers in reason, win morally. And I will tell the author that when you argue with an idiot, he does the same.
  • gorgo
    gorgo 4 December 2015 14: 27
    +3
    Quote: aviator1913
    But we came "Side by side with Turkey" to defend the president whose legitimacy Turkey is challenging.


    And how long has she challenged her? That's just the point: everything was fine, and then suddenly bam! - and disputes. This, sorry, is not rightfully, and not on the terms ... Let us now suddenly begin to dispute the legitimacy of some Duda in Poland. And what? Well, we didn’t like anything ... So, this will be an understandable reason for supporting someone there? I repeat once again: Assad is the legitimate president, and all countries have recognized this, including Turkey. Until suddenly some ceased to recognize ...
  • Awaz
    Awaz 4 December 2015 16: 08
    -2
    I partially agree with the Turk. In terms of what we do in Ukraine, it’s about the same as the Turks try in Syria, but with big reservations. All the same, Assad is the legitimate president and the war is being waged against legitimate authority. In Ukraine, the president is completely unlawful, and there the people generally resist the junta.
    But as for tourists if. Then he also touched on an interesting topic. The Russians are interested in everything and they try wine (often shitty) and in general all garbage and they are not so terrified of the unsanitary conditions cultivated in many resort areas. Even where there are not many Russians, but they manage to spend money several times more than the Europeans, who are not interested in anything anymore, and they go to the sea just to lie in the sun.
    as my friend Spaniard said: it’s not at all difficult to get two three buses with tourists on excursions who speak Russian and it’s completely impossible to get at least one bus purely from the Germans or the British or the Finns. Foreigners, he so calls names of non-Russian-speaking tourists, you have to collect everyone in one bus and tell something using sometimes up to 5 languages. Moreover, for the Russians all this sometimes costs much more than for the Germans the same. I somehow rode on the Canaries to the sea in a group with foreigners. The guide, and the captain in one person, the yacht, said something there in 4 languages, without Russian. Although it turned out that half of the passengers of the yacht are Russian-speaking. But a trip with Russian-speaking guides would cost me almost 2 times more expensive.
    The loss of Russian tourists to many resorts is a very serious problem. The British and Germans with Finns and Swedes will not replace them. Even if they replace them, they will not bring the benefits that the natives from Russo-tourists had.
    I don’t know how and where, but my Spanish friend says that there are less and less Russians and the authorities are trying to lure all the Scandinavians and the British. If the hotels at least somehow still hold on, then all these entertaining excursions and shows are slowly dying.
  • mamont5
    mamont5 4 December 2015 17: 09
    0
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Roma, have you tried to kick him? With every kick, recalling how many people have already died in Syria.

    What kind of people, if his vineyards will be wasted, well, the Ottoman Empire warms the soul.
  • Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 4 December 2015 17: 27
    0
    It seems that after the ruin of 20-30% of tour companies and a decent number of enterprises in other areas, the Turks will understand that Russia was good for them. The good that Erdogan took from them ...
    1. S_last
      S_last 4 December 2015 20: 49
      0
      How do you forgive the ruin of 20-30% of our travel agencies will clean the brains of the Turks?
  • SAILOROLD
    SAILOROLD 4 December 2015 17: 48
    +5
    without words...
  • Fedor Andreevich
    Fedor Andreevich 4 December 2015 23: 33
    0
    I told him that in Russia everyone is very politically savvy (well, he didn’t lie), and every Russian is aware that the Republic of Northern Cyprus is recognized only by Turkey. And because - Turkey, that the former Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, we are all united


    Sure. How so. General political literacy ... Many, when they hear about Turkish Cyprus, are sincerely surprised
    1. Old old
      Old old 7 December 2015 20: 10
      0
      Sure. How so. General political literacy ... Many, when they hear about Turkish Cyprus, are sincerely surprised

      And many will also recall Turkey’s fierce opposition to Greece’s purchase of S-300 for Cyprus.
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 5 December 2015 10: 18
    0
    In order to put the brains of the Turks in place, it is necessary, judging by this, to take Constantin back once and for all. I really can’t imagine how to do this? soldier
  • Olfred
    Olfred 5 December 2015 12: 21
    +1
    some Turks are all the same ... they don’t give a damn about the victims, if only they wouldn’t touch the business.