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Die Welt: more than half of German Tornado are not ready to fight Daesh

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Only 44% of the aircraft that Germany is going to use in the fight against Daesh (IG) are suitable for combat missions, reports Look With reference to the newspaper Die Welt.




"In the arsenal of the German Air Force is only 29 combat-ready fighters" Tornado ", which is 44% of their total number," - leads the newspaper data contained in the report of the Ministry of Defense of Germany. “A year ago, Germany had 38 combat-ready Tornadoes from 66,” the newspaper notes.

According to Die Welt, the Tornado "were created 23 – 34 a year ago and are considered aircraft that will soon be decommissioned." Eurofighter aircraft will be used instead, but the combat readiness of these machines is also low - only 55%.

In addition, according to the newspaper, “Transal” military transport planes are also experiencing problems: only 57% of the fleet of these models are suitable for carrying out tasks.

Earlier, the head of the German Defense Ministry Ursula von der Lyayen said about the upcoming operation in Syria: “No illusions. This is a dangerous and difficult mission. ” According to her, the military have 30-th "ready to use reconnaissance aircraft" Tornado "." But "in Syria, we plan to use six," she said on the N-24 channel.
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  1. cniza
    cniza 3 December 2015 12: 34
    32
    "In the arsenal of the German Air Force is only 29 combat-ready fighters" Tornado ", which is 44% of their total number," - leads the newspaper data contained in the report of the Ministry of Defense of Germany. “A year ago, Germany had 38 combat-ready Tornadoes from 66,” the newspaper notes.


    What did the Germans turn the USA into?
    1. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 3 December 2015 12: 36
      24
      hmm ... 29 tornado aircraft ... oh the great and terrible army of NATO ... the Germans are just ridiculous ... aren't they dumb themselves ???
      1. Spnsr
        Spnsr 3 December 2015 12: 44
        +5
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        hmm ... 29 planes ... oh the great and terrible army of NATO ... the Germans are just ridiculous ... aren't they dumb themselves ???

        not this way!
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        hmm ... 29 planes ... oh the great and terrible army of NATO ... the Germans are just funny ... they themselves are not funny ???
        1. Temples
          Temples 3 December 2015 12: 48
          18
          Dumb ?, this concept does not apply to the Germans.
          The USSR returned the Germans half of Germany.
          But the Americans were not going to do this.
          Why on earth?
          It so happened that the USSR subordinated to the United States its share of German territory.
          According to the results of World War II, the United States legally rule the Germans.
          Those well-fed and satisfied. Fully dependent on the USA.
          So they will fly on what they are allowed to.
          And thanks for that they will speak.
          1. Al_oriso
            Al_oriso 3 December 2015 13: 10
            +7
            Germany is now a colony of the USA.
            Colonies are not allowed to have much weapons.
            1. crazyrom
              crazyrom 3 December 2015 20: 12
              0
              Yes, even if 100% will be ready, how are they going to fight on such stubs ??? The aircraft is slightly larger than our combat training Yak-130.
          2. avdkrd
            avdkrd 3 December 2015 13: 49
            16
            Quote: Temples
            The USSR returned the Germans half of Germany.
            But the Americans were not going to do this.

            The most senseless trick of Gorbachev. Even the Germans did not know how to react to this enchanting stupidity. Voluntarily surrender control over the center of Europe, while not only not getting any financial or political preferences, but also ruining the most combat-ready armies of the USSR by bringing them out into the open. In terms of costs, the withdrawal of troops from Germany is estimated at 50-100 of those German marks, and this little bitch received 000 billion and the title of "traitor of the century" but it is synonymous with the first two). When this T.V.A.R. dies, I'll put it on the grave.
            1. Alf
              Alf 3 December 2015 23: 32
              +1
              Quote: avdkrd
              When this tv.a.r.b. dies, I’ll impose on the grave.

              Right now, sir! I have been borrowing since the evening, so follow me.
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      3. Onotollah
        Onotollah 3 December 2015 12: 57
        16
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        oh great and terrible NATO army


        The army of an advanced and tolerant country should be like this: 1 tank, 1 plane, 1 minister of defense and 1 motorized rifle department in boots with 15 cm stilettos, black strict tights and with faint (military, after all) lipstick.
        1. Jackking
          Jackking 3 December 2015 14: 02
          +4
          Moreover, in the department at least half must be gender-changed ...
        2. Shark Lover
          Shark Lover 3 December 2015 14: 12
          +5
          Multipurpose complex of a tolerant country = cyborg-2
        3. zennon
          zennon 3 December 2015 19: 57
          0
          Quote: Onotolle
          1 tank, 1 aircraft, 1 Minister of Defense and 1 motorized rifle squad in boots with 15 cm stilettos,

          Not one defense minister, but one defense minister. Speak about tolerance! Hendyr technologies, their mother ...
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      5. Patriot 1
        Patriot 1 3 December 2015 13: 25
        +7
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        hmm ... 29 tornado aircraft ... oh the great and terrible army of NATO ... the Germans are just ridiculous ... aren't they dumb themselves ???

        That is why they will not tell the Russian Aerospace Forces where they will fly .... they have little idea where to fly with such a fleet laughing
      6. Tor5
        Tor5 3 December 2015 13: 26
        +1
        Well, the Germans, in their great trust in the United States, completely forgot about their army.
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      8. a52333
        a52333 3 December 2015 14: 00
        +6
        That is, not only Estonia has aviation in aviation?
        1. L42
          L42 3 December 2015 18: 53
          +1
          Aren't they ashamed of themselves? Such humiliation.
      9. Bombardier
        Bombardier 3 December 2015 14: 02
        0
        Germany has indicated its presence in the coalition - abandoned otmaza -

        quote:
        “No illusions. This is a dangerous and difficult mission. ”
        According to her, the military has 30 "ready-to-use Tornado reconnaissance aircraft." But “in Syria, we plan to use six,” she said on the N-24 channel.

        Germany was imposed on the participation of gentlemen from overseas in the coalition, but this does not suit her at all. Germany says there’s nothing to bomb — you see only six aircraft. Who checked the planes?
        Why in the comments urashapokazatelstvo?

        Yes, and the Germans, officially, reprint Main-Kampf! why's that? And this is in the 21st century!
        1. your1970
          your1970 3 December 2015 19: 52
          +1
          For some reason, the copyright of the government of the state of Bavaria expires ..
          Everything is as usual in Europe: democracy blah blah blah, copyright blah blah blah, no legal heirs belay lol request , therefore, it will be possible to reprint - until this year, officially did not print the type due to copyright request
      10. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 3 December 2015 14: 41
        +2
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        oh great and terrible NATO army

        It's even funnier in Holland. Lack of ammunition for small arms makes Dutch soldiers run around on exercises yelling "bang-bang", or "tra-ta-ta-ta-ta" I would generally arm them with Chinese toys with electronics and light bulbs to protect their voice. Shouting "Give up" comes in handy.
      11. NEXUS
        NEXUS 3 December 2015 14: 48
        +4
        Quote: Sasha 19871987
        hmm ... 29 tornado aircraft ... oh the great and terrible army of NATO ... the Germans are just ridiculous ... aren't they dumb themselves ???

        This is the result of the work of American "friends." But at the same time, the Europeans are tolerant and submissive like sheep, which is what the mattresses were trying to achieve. But at the same time, they saturate Europe with elements of European missile defense, saying, “We will protect you from evil Russians.” That is, in fact, the United States acts as a kind of “roof” that does not forget to cut the bribe from these “sheep.” It's a pitiful sight. exhausted itself ...
    2. War and Peace
      War and Peace 3 December 2015 12: 36
      +4
      Die Welt: more than half of German Tornado are not ready to fight Daesh


      Well, sit and do not rock the boat once you’re not ready, otherwise you’ll get into yours ...
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 3 December 2015 14: 47
        +1
        Quote: War and Peace
        otherwise you’ll get into yours.

        Do not worry. NATE NATU is possible. This is not for us NATU.
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    4. serg1970
      serg1970 3 December 2015 12: 36
      +7
      What did the Germans turn the USA into?

      Well-worn, leaky bedding
    5. Samaritan
      Samaritan 3 December 2015 12: 38
      +6
      6 Carl aircraft ... 6
      but probably already figured out how to celebrate the victory and divide the jackpot ...
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 3 December 2015 12: 40
        +4
        Do you think England is doing better with the fleet?

        Europe is not the same) I don’t know how things are with aviation in France, but it seems to me better than in England and Germany combined

        1. cniza
          cniza 3 December 2015 13: 16
          +3
          Quote: c-Petrov
          Do you think England is doing better with the fleet?

          Europe is not the same) I don’t know how things are with aviation in France, but it seems to me better than in England and Germany combined



          The USA achieved their goal, they developed their V.S. , built bases and gradually turned the armies of NATO countries and allies into "funny troops".
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    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz 3 December 2015 12: 40
      +9
      And this army once conquered all of Europe.
      1. St Petrov
        St Petrov 3 December 2015 12: 41
        +4
        this is a demo version of that army. stripped down. Anglo-Saxons restrain the development of the German Armed Forces.

        Xs is good or not.

    7. RUS96
      RUS96 3 December 2015 12: 45
      13



      The screen from the website of the Ministry of Defense of Germany, however, is a bit outdated. In 2013, Germany officially had only 393 Leopard-2 tanks in service. Do not pay attention to the rest in the table - there is the same rubbish as the Vissel armored vehicle, as in the top picture.
      In reality, the number of combat-ready tanks in the Bundeswehr at that time was 262, including training ones! The rest were out of order. After the events in Ukraine, the German Bundesmen stirred and demanded to remove at least one hundred Leo-2 tanks from storage and upgrade them to a decent modern level. No money was found, so the plans were postponed to 2017.
      Total: the army of Germany has about two hundred combat tanks Leo-2A :.
      In addition, it suddenly turned out that the FRG army did not have any anti-aircraft complexes of direct military cover for armored tanks. The old ones were written off and sent for storage, but the new ones do not exist in nature. The cover is carried out by conventional portable MANPADS having a height limit of up to three km.
      Then came the epic problems with the attack helicopter "Tiger". which they drank and drank, but never finished. They did it for fifteen years, but as a result, after tests in Afghanistan, this helicopter was recognized as limited serviceable, but not during hostilities :)
      A similar story with the transport aircraft A-400M. Deliveries of which were delayed for five years, and after the recent disaster in general is in question.
      Add to this the recent scandalous hearings in the Bundestag, where the numbers sounded, that the German aviation is operational only by thirty to forty percent.
      Moreover, there are no new attack aircraft and bombers as a separate class! Those that remain have an age of about forty years.
      The German fleet can be described as coastal, and consisting of 80% of the ancient floating rubbish.
      Further disassemble laziness, and there is no particular sense.
      France has 240 tank troops (part of the training, the percentage of serviceable is unknown). Great Britain has about three hundred tanks of not the first freshness.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 3 December 2015 13: 04
        +7
        Here in the USSR there was such a device as "Invalidka"

        And in the photo, a military "invalid". German only.
        1. cniza
          cniza 3 December 2015 13: 19
          +5
          Quote: Tatarus
          Here in the USSR there was such a device as "Invalidka"

          And in the photo, a military "invalid". German only.



          And strong people, such as German, were made disabled.
    8. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 3 December 2015 12: 54
      +1
      Well, they did not have time to start and already howled ........
    9. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 3 December 2015 12: 58
      +7
      When I wrote about this in 2013-2014, it was just the Maidan and someone was afraid of a war with NATO, I was called a Ura-patriot ... soldier
    10. Altona
      Altona 3 December 2015 12: 59
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      What did the Germans turn the USA into?

      ------------------
      Not only the USA. Defense Ministers cannot dislodge additional funding for the Bundeswehr. And this Ursula got out precisely on such criticism of the former Minister of Defense, and she herself does the same. Rather, little can be done for the army ...
    11. Maxom75
      Maxom75 3 December 2015 12: 59
      +7
      The Bundeswehr under the control of a gynecologist, what were you waiting for?)))
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 3 December 2015 14: 26
        +3
        Quote: Maxom75
        The Bundeswehr under the control of a gynecologist, what were you waiting for?)))

        Abortions. Sex changes. And organ transplants. SIX planes fly, and 23 are donors for transplantation.
    12. Drmadfisher
      Drmadfisher 3 December 2015 13: 01
      +1
      that's all of NATO (a) in this
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    14. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 3 December 2015 13: 02
      0
      Well ... one more illustrative example (to our Vasilyeva) ... a woman was admitted to the Ministry of Defense smile Yes, and immediately the Minister smile
    15. vkl-47
      vkl-47 3 December 2015 13: 03
      +1
      it's time to buy a couple of hundred f35 from piNdosnikov. that's what the bet was made on. that’s it. This stuff is sold to the Ukrainians. You don’t go to the grandmother
    16. shooter18
      shooter18 3 December 2015 13: 04
      +3
      Why do they or the British or anyone else in Europe army ?? They are completely under the wing of the Americans! They give only 2% of GDP to NATO and do not blow into the mustache! Well-dressed and walk around and ride around the world ..
      1. Rader
        Rader 3 December 2015 14: 06
        +5
        Why do they or the British or anyone else in Europe army ??

        Well, European armies should not be discounted, although they sometimes look funny (yes ... Wiesel on von BMD and just a disabled woman laughing ) But you must understand that:
        1.If all the armies of Europe are not considered separately, but as part of NATO, then it immediately becomes not so funny ...
        The second follows from the first. The United States considers all Young Europeans to be a buffer between them and Russia (well, or like cannon fodder), and Germany Italy France is almost allies (well, or the elite second-wave cannon fodder), and the shavers are almost like brothers in oil. .. So the armies will not be taken away from them, but they will carefully monitor them (whatever happened with Hitler). hi
    17. Finches
      Finches 3 December 2015 13: 08
      +7
      We have a girl here sitting alone without work ..! With great managerial experience in the field of defense! Take the Germans! Besides, she also draws and sings ... and, most importantly, she reproaches, so he’s generally a commander from God ! Quickly defend you in order! laughing
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  3. sever.56
    sever.56 3 December 2015 12: 38
    +8
    Actually, the Germans are pragmatists. Since the end of the Cold War, and even earlier, they knew very well that the threat of an attack from the USSR, and subsequently from Russia, did not exist and does not exist. Therefore, the former smart leaders invested in the development of the economy, industry and social projects, thereby ensuring a high standard of living for the population. Former Chancellors of Germany were not dependent on the opinions of the states, and did not really succumb to pressure. Suffice it to recall Germany's position on Iraq. With the arrival of Merkel, everything changed dramatically - complete dependence on the states and submissive execution of all orders from Washington. We won't even talk about refugees - Germany is slowly being occupied by bearers of a faith alien to them, with an obviously aggressive attitude towards the Germans.
    Now Germany will have to invest a lot of money in the purchase of new weapons, which together with spending on migrants will be a serious burden on the economy. It becomes weaker financially, but who benefits? That's right - states that do not need strong allies.
  4. iouris
    iouris 3 December 2015 12: 38
    +3
    Of interest is the air force readiness coefficient of Turkey, Poland and the USA.
  5. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 3 December 2015 12: 38
    +5
    Eka they "weakened" after the "victory over the USSR". there are only scraps from the Armed Forces, the budget is working to provide a private owner, the aviation industry (military) can already be forgotten. All this causes, as the Strugatskys said, a feeling of shame with pinching his toes in boots.
  6. venaya
    venaya 3 December 2015 12: 39
    +1
    “No illusions. This is a dangerous and difficult mission. ”

    They would not have climbed there. Their image is not good, people will not understand.
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 December 2015 12: 39
    +2
    Lived Deutsche Luftwaffe! Do they have only 60 planes or something? Such a serious country, a member of NATO and such a miserable fleet! Turkey and out of the way is not good.
  8. Wolka
    Wolka 3 December 2015 12: 40
    +3
    awful and strange at the same time, but it seems that there is a certain military-political international NATO bloc, there are its bases, there are its members, but as a result, the participants in the anti-terrorist operation in Syria act each on their own and with their own "grubs", from their bases based on "their" intelligence, etc. ...
    1. venaya
      venaya 3 December 2015 12: 44
      +1
      Quote: Volka
      there is a certain military-political international NATO bloc, there are its bases, there are its members, but as a result, the participants each act on their own and with their own "grubs" from their bases ...

      This is a smart strategy. They manage all the processes from behind the puddle, and the money uses its satellites. We would have to learn this way, or even we will never have enough money for all our ideas.
  9. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 3 December 2015 12: 41
    +2
    That’s all great Germany, how long ago it was. We went to America and are pleased to say that tolerant Europe has rear-wheel drive.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 12: 41
    +1
    Only 44% of the aircraft that Germany intends to use in the fight against Daesh (IS) are suitable for sorties

    At the time of the Balts to provide military assistance to Germany. This is how it works in NATO - everyone counts on godfather, and their gun rusts. And after all, such a situation is not in Germany alone.
  11. Dazzl
    Dazzl 3 December 2015 12: 42
    +1
    You will be in a coalition with the USA and these will stop flying
  12. Decathlon
    Decathlon 3 December 2015 12: 43
    +2
    Yes, what difference does it make to them whether they are serviceable or faulty ?! The main thing is that at least one flew in, the identification signs over the desert lit up! So that later you can shout about the "great contribution" to the cause of the struggle ...
  13. dummy
    dummy 3 December 2015 12: 44
    +4
    Now I understood Putin’s cunning plan. We must force Europe to fight ISIS. And then, without any Russian ISIS, they will defeat the NAT army. Or is it a deceitful plan of Deception?
  14. stetz
    stetz 3 December 2015 12: 45
    +2
    Nobody wants to fight, but to share laurels ..... Soon Latvia will also catch up with its wooden papelats.
  15. driver
    driver 3 December 2015 12: 46
    +4
    Hermann Goering nervously smokes in ADU ...
  16. bionik
    bionik 3 December 2015 12: 47
    +4
    "In the arsenal of the German Air Force there are only 29 combat-ready Tornado fighters, which is 44% of their total number" ..... Earlier, the head of the German Defense Ministry Ursula von der Leyen, the military have 30 "ready-to-use Tornado reconnaissance aircraft" ". But “in Syria, we plan to use six,” she said. No wonder.RIA News. Soldiers of the German NATO Response Force (NRF) unit during a military exercise in Norway were forced to mount painted broomsticks instead of machine guns due to lack of weapons, German media reported. (C)

    1. iouris
      iouris 3 December 2015 13: 54
      +1
      The higher the combat readiness, the lower the standard of living. These things are highly related.
  17. stetz
    stetz 3 December 2015 12: 49
    +1
    But why ours do not send half the plane to Iraq, Libya, etc.? Just to stake a place under the base and oil shake in the future.
  18. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 3 December 2015 12: 50
    +1
    laughing Hmm, here you go and NATO sheep
  19. stetz
    stetz 3 December 2015 12: 52
    +3
    Quote: bionik
    "In the arsenal of the German Air Force there are only 29 combat-ready Tornado fighters, which is 44% of their total number" ..... Earlier, the head of the German Defense Ministry Ursula von der Leyen, the military have 30 "ready-to-use Tornado reconnaissance aircraft" ". But “in Syria, we plan to use six,” she said. No wonder.RIA News. Soldiers of the German NATO Response Force (NRF) unit during a military exercise in Norway were forced to mount painted broomsticks instead of machine guns due to lack of weapons, German media reported. (C)


    So they will bomb with wooden bombs due to lack of weapons)))
  20. Volozhanin
    Volozhanin 3 December 2015 12: 55
    +3
    It's time for the Germans to pray: "Bismarck come back!"
  21. azesm
    azesm 3 December 2015 12: 56
    +1
    History on this day, December 3 in the world
    http://historyndex.com
  22. rusaiaiBishkek
    rusaiaiBishkek 3 December 2015 12: 56
    +1
    what a formidable army :)
  23. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 3 December 2015 12: 56
    +1
    Quote: RUS96
    The screen from the website of the Ministry of Defense of Germany, however, is a bit outdated. In 2013, Germany officially had only 393 Leopard-2 tanks in service. Do not pay attention to the rest in the table - there is the same rubbish as the Vissel armored vehicle, as in the top picture.
    In reality, the number of combat-ready tanks in the Bundeswehr at that time was 262, including training ones! The rest were out of order. After the events in Ukraine, the German Bundesmen stirred and demanded to remove at least one hundred Leo-2 tanks from storage and upgrade them to a decent modern level. No money was found, so the plans were postponed to 2017.
    Total: the army of Germany has about two hundred combat tanks Leo-2A :.
    In addition, it suddenly turned out that the FRG army did not have any anti-aircraft complexes of direct military cover for armored tanks. The old ones were written off and sent for storage, but the new ones do not exist in nature. The cover is carried out by conventional portable MANPADS having a height limit of up to three km.
    Then came the epic problems with the attack helicopter "Tiger". which they drank and drank, but never finished. They did it for fifteen years, but as a result, after tests in Afghanistan, this helicopter was recognized as limited serviceable, but not during hostilities :)
    A similar story with the transport aircraft A-400M. Deliveries of which were delayed for five years, and after the recent disaster in general is in question.
    Add to this the recent scandalous hearings in the Bundestag, where the numbers sounded, that the German aviation is operational only by thirty to forty percent.
    Moreover, there are no new attack aircraft and bombers as a separate class! Those that remain have an age of about forty years.
    The German fleet can be described as coastal, and consisting of 80% of the ancient floating rubbish.
    Further disassemble laziness, and there is no particular sense.
    France has 240 tank troops (part of the training, the percentage of serviceable is unknown). Great Britain has about three hundred tanks of not the first freshness.
  24. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 3 December 2015 12: 57
    0
    laughing Like a toy tank
  25. Tatarus
    Tatarus 3 December 2015 13: 00
    +2
    About all "partners" of Russia.
    Based on articles of recent days.
    For the woodpecker was borrowed.

    Mind d * bilov not understand
    They only d * Unions only believe
    They are special b * core
    Let the carpenter measure them with a meter.
  26. oleggun
    oleggun 3 December 2015 13: 01
    +2
    burgers don’t have any money, they spent it all on refugees). Germany has come to the point that even the Turkish Air Force is more powerful than the Luftwaffe.
  27. oleg46
    oleg46 3 December 2015 13: 04
    +4
    Oh Germans, Germans! Well, you made two (!) Times mistakes in the strategy of choosing your allies. At first, in World War I, they made no alliance with Russia, then again (1-41gg) they succumbed to the Angles and became our worst enemy ... Can't you understand that a full-fledged and long-term alliance of the peoples of Germany and Russia is an aspen stake in the English coffin to the states? .. recourse
    1. Tatarus
      Tatarus 3 December 2015 13: 07
      +1
      The union of Russians and Germans is a nightmare of impudent ssaksev.
      Russia + Germany + China + India and you can clean up the rest to free the territories. laughing
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 3 December 2015 17: 48
      +5
      for oleg46:
      "Well, you two (!) Times made a mistake in the strategy of choosing your allies." ////

      On the contrary, it is more surprising that the Germans and the British are so cruel
      ironed each other's friend in two world wars.

      You do not take into account that the Germans and the British are almost genetically
      one people. Anglo-Saxons ... Where is Saxony located? - in Germany.
      Angles and Saxons are Germanic tribes that once conquered Britain.

      And in the USA there was a historical moment when immigrants from Germany made up
      almost half the population. There were discussions in Congress which language to choose
      by state: English or German! English went small
      by a majority vote.
      1. Tatarus
        Tatarus 3 December 2015 21: 57
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Well, you made two (!) Times mistakes in the strategy of choosing your allies.


        Well, despite the fact that I am accused of minuscule only for the Jewish flag, I’ll say (My God how difficult it is) that I consider Israel (Ugh five times) the most reliable (myself in shock) our ally (my mother finds out a damn) in the region of eternal bickering . (Sorry dad I couldn’t) Jews you just (okay dad) ... Atat laughing I love you and hug you (I definitely beat) wassat
  28. sabakina
    sabakina 3 December 2015 13: 07
    +1
    belay -Asy Goering is in shock!
    1. your1970
      your1970 3 December 2015 19: 59
      +2
      bad video, you shouldn’t get it here ..
  29. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 December 2015 13: 10
    +3
    They did not expect? That the sword was not even rusty, but cardboard. What else to expect from a country in which the Chancellor is a woman, and the Minister of Defense is a woman. We would have dispersed this Bundeswehr at all, how to disgrace ourselves like that laughing
  30. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 3 December 2015 13: 27
    +2
    Good news, what! Once again, well done GDP!
  31. Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 3 December 2015 13: 52
    +3
    Hmm .... but when there was a great school of tank and aircraft engineering ... one Von Braun what it is worth ... they had the whole Europe as they wanted ... and here it’s on you ... hm .... degradation, this is of course soft , on the face .... but in due time, the chic arsenals from the army of the GDR remained ... the Germans, we didn’t supply the oldest ... there were 29 instantly, and tanks and stuff ... where did you go ... now I guess elbows bite
  32. ILIA
    ILIA 3 December 2015 13: 58
    +1
    Poor unfortunate chances))
  33. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 3 December 2015 14: 08
    +6
    "And they drink filth out of economy, -
    At least in the morning, but on our own "(c) VS Vysotsky. According to different EU (ICO) standards there are very stringent requirements. They saved on those certification and extension of the resource, did not do it in time, missed the deadlines because such a quantity of equipment was unnecessary. This does not mean that the technique is unsuitable. It is most likely not issued on time "according to the papers. vaunted "tigers-panthers." E. Rommel had mostly light armor when he put France in a knee-elbow position. "Menagerie" appeared for the first time in 1942 on the Leningrad front. Expanded to a "battle argument" by the summer of 1943 On the Kursk Bulge. They know how to fight. To argue the opposite means to humiliate the Victory of Russian Arms over the enemy, whom they were only able to expel from the USSR in 1944. They demand attention from all sides! As a locomotive of the EU and NATO.
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    2. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 4 December 2015 07: 38
      -1
      They know how now to fight or not, I would argue. The first half of the last century for Germany was spent in war (1st and 2nd world). There I agree, they knew how and fought. From 1945 to the present day - the Germans did not take part in armed conflicts (I do not take into account the small contingent in Afghanistan). There are no serious strategists with combat experience left either. Today's youth are brought up in the "best European traditions". No money is allocated for combat training. And on the investigation, combat experience is not transferred.
  34. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 3 December 2015 14: 20
    +3
    Mein Got! And is this a luftwaffe? I can’t imagine what would happen to Goering now. Survived. I served in Germany. In Witstock, our 2-4 interceptor fighters rose once a day to intercept. And this is normal. And then what? Everything, I can no longer, ran to the toilet ...
  35. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 3 December 2015 14: 21
    +3
    A defective can be repaired. Spare parts to get and replace is a small matter.
    If they lock (and the parliament will give money), then all the planes will turn into serviceable.
    They are just too lazy to move. America covers them, the mood in the country is peaceful.
    The NATO leadership is now "pushing" the Germans to pull up a little. And they are lazy.
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 3 December 2015 15: 28
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A defective can be repaired. Spare parts to get and replace is a small matter.
      If they lock (and the parliament will give money), then all the planes will turn into serviceable.
      They are just too lazy to move. America covers them, the mood in the country is peaceful.
      The NATO leadership is now "pushing" the Germans to pull up a little. And they are lazy.



      surprised by your "surplus". laughing Now some kind of ecstasy is happening on the site (on this topic) - site visitors are happy - they heard what they wanted. Do not disappoint them! stop
      I will give you a plus - for sanity.

      P.S. A little earlier, all the same with enthusiasm, turning into ecstasy, were happy for friendship with Turkey and a joint trumpet. But who will confess this now? As they say - "Ostap suffered!", "New Vasyuki!"
    2. your1970
      your1970 3 December 2015 22: 10
      0
      aviation is not tanks, it has its own specifics: for example, if the MI-8 10 engine has been out of stock for years, no one will put it on board due to the expiration of the calendar resource, only through the plant. And the calendar resource is the period during which uncontrollable state changes.
      So if the deadlines are reached, it is only through the ARZ: at least with us, even with them. And this is money, deadlines, additional needs ....
      Not so simple as with cars ....
  36. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 December 2015 14: 28
    0
    NATO is the legalized occupation of Europe by the US Armed Forces.
    Can you imagine that the occupiers would suffer full-fledged armed forces in the country they occupied?
    Here is the answer to the question why Europe without America is completely defenseless.
    If America withdraws its armed forces, Europe will simply be devoured.
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 3 December 2015 16: 06
      0
      And it is already eaten by amers since 1945 ...
  37. vandarus
    vandarus 3 December 2015 14: 55
    0
    Off-topic: have the free, democratic and independent press been given the command to use the new abbreviation DAISH?
  38. dr. sem
    dr. sem 3 December 2015 16: 04
    +1
    German six - thunderstorm daish ...
  39. EFA
    EFA 3 December 2015 16: 08
    +1
    Something about the Germans went completely rotten ...

    The future of the Bundeswafle:



    That's just with the supply of gravitsap problems will probably be.
    There are no more on their Plyuk.
  40. Captain45
    Captain45 3 December 2015 19: 19
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    Quote: bionik
    "In the arsenal of the German Air Force there are only 29 combat-ready Tornado fighters, which is 44% of their total number" ..... Earlier, the head of the German Defense Ministry Ursula von der Leyen, the military have 30 "ready-to-use Tornado reconnaissance aircraft" ". But “in Syria, we plan to use six,” she said. Nothing surprising. RIA Novosti. Soldiers of the German unit of the NATO Response Force (NRF) at military exercises in Norway were forced to mount painted broomsticks in the armored personnel carrier instead of machine guns due to lack of weapons, German media reported. (C)

    Gentlemen, I would not hurt to trust all this suffering in the media about the deplorable state of the Luftwaffe and the Bundeswehr, ask me why? So read in the archives of the media, even on VO, that they wrote about our Armed Forces three years ago, "everything was gone, everything was stolen." And now, no matter how the note, so - "Well, wait ... we'll tear you all." So I would not be under the impression about the state of the NATO Armed Forces.
  41. soldat74
    soldat74 3 December 2015 20: 07
    0
    Quote: cniza
    "In the arsenal of the German Air Force is only 29 combat-ready fighters" Tornado ", which is 44% of their total number," - leads the newspaper data contained in the report of the Ministry of Defense of Germany. “A year ago, Germany had 38 combat-ready Tornadoes from 66,” the newspaper notes.


    What did the Germans turn the USA into?


    Yes. "Luft-wafa" is not the same. soldier
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  44. red_october
    red_october 4 December 2015 10: 45
    0
    Only 44% of the aircraft that Germany intends to use in the fight against Daesh (IS) are suitable for sorties

    The main thing is that dinner is prepared, the child learned lessons and went to the parent's meeting.

    The planes will wait ...
  45. mamont5
    mamont5 4 December 2015 14: 28
    0
    Quote: Sasha 19871987
    hmm ... 29 tornado aircraft ... oh the great and terrible army of NATO ... the Germans are just ridiculous ... aren't they dumb themselves ???

    Such is now, practically, ALL Europe. So, NATO's combat readiness is one big minus.