High-mobile army car GAZ-39371 "Vodnik"

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[qwert]

I have long known about this machine. In my opinion, both conceptually and in hardware this car is better than all the Tigers, Wolves and other followers of the Hunters. All the time I say that what is being created in our country without looking to the West is better than attempts to imitate

[Waltasar]

He still has different tasks with the tiger.
For everyday use, the doors are somewhat uncomfortable.

[crazyrom]

Well, as I understand it, they are of the same class as the Tiger (4 wheels, 7 tons), only the tiger turned out much better.

[self-propelled]

... According to popular belief, which is erroneous, the GAZ-39371 Vodnik car (based on the name) is considered floating. However, this is not so, the machine does not have the means to move on water - it does not have a propeller, milled tracks or a water cannon. "Vodnik" is able to overcome ford water obstacles, but only when their maximum depth does not exceed 1,2 meters ...

the absence of a water cannon (or other water propellers) does not mean that it is impossible to overcome water obstacles by swimming. This is partly why the Vodnik's carrying sealed lightly armored hull has the shape of a "brick" (to increase the volumetric displacement) ...

Quote: qwert

I have long known about this machine. In my opinion, both conceptually and in hardware this car is better than all the Tigers, Wolves and other followers of the Hunters. All the time I say that what is being created in our country without looking to the West is better than attempts to imitate

The modular design of the Vodnik promised huge advantages in production and repair (yes, quickly changing the transport module to a medical one would be appreciated "at the front end"), and the cross-country ability was excellent. but the whole world saw a hyped "Hummer", and by that time a classmate of HMMWV (the future "Tiger") was preparing for the Arabs at GAZ. there was no money to buy two types of "highly mobile multipurpose wheeled vehicle" for their army. so they chose "like in the west" ...

[avt]

Quote: self-propelled

the absence of a water cannon (or other navigational propulsion) does not mean that it is impossible to overcome water barriers by swimming.

Quote: self-propelled

"Fennek" is rather a kind of analogue of the BRDM-2.

Well, "Vodnik" ?? Simply the presence of a basic platform and modules for them would allow to expand the scope.

Quote: self-propelled

although Vodnik was also initially seen as a replacement for the outdated BRDM. but then they got carried away with modularity and the car became multi-purpose

Which is exactly what you yourself have confirmed.

[Prapor-527]

Quote: avt

Quote: self-propelled
the absence of a water cannon (or other navigational propulsion) does not mean that it is impossible to overcome water barriers by swimming.

As befits a real amphibian, the GAZ-39371 feels great in water, and if you install two optional mechanical water cannons, you can dissect waves at a speed of 12 km / h that is not weak for such a machine ...
Brief performance characteristics GAZ-39371 "Vodnik"
Gross vehicle weight - 6600-7500 kg
The mass of the transported freight - 1500-2500 kg
Maximum speed:
on the highway - 140 km / h
afloat - 4-5 km / h
with water cannons - 12 km / h PS The photo was added out of personal sympathy for this modification of "Vodnik" ...

[the47th]

Quote: self-propelled

the absence of a water cannon (or other navigational propulsion) does not mean that it is impossible to overcome water barriers by swimming

A long time ago, the American Cadillac Gage Commando moved in the water due to the rotation of the wheels.

[gjv]

Quote: self-propelled

... According to popular belief, which is erroneous, the GAZ-39371 Vodnik car (based on the name) is considered floating. However

[cosmos111]

[quote = self-propelled] sealed lightly armored body "Vodnik" has the shape of a "brick" (for [quote = self-propelled] multipurpose wheeled vehicle "there was no money. So they chose" like in the west "... [/ quote]
consider all the pros and cons of the Vodnik AFV
PROS: 1. possessed a high degree of unification with the GAZ lineup already being produced ..
2. had a high degree of maintainability both at the repair plant and on the battlefield.
3. was equipped with a switchable front-wheel drive, independent torsion bar suspension, power steering, centralized tire inflation system, as well as modern heating and air conditioning systems ...
4. It was armed in the basic configuration with 14,5 mm KPVT machine guns installed in the turrets and a 7,62 mm PKT machine gun with a day sight....
5.Has a high cross, could overcome water obstacles ...
MINUS the modular design of the machine made it difficult to transfer the commander to the gunner’s place and vice versa, and between the commander’s compartment and the landing compartment there was a sealed partition that also interfered with movement inside the cabin, for this it was necessary to leave the armored car .....
2. At Vodnik, the internal communication, created on the basis of the R-174 apparatus, could provide communication in the presence of noise with a total level of no more than 133 dB. , BUT the undercarriage of the car and its engine created a noise of about 150 dB during movement, which made the implementation of internal communication almost impossible, NOT to mention the comfort and satisfaction of the crew and the airborne assault force .......
3. On the GAZ-3937, its engine has no muffler with the exhaust downwards, as a result, the exhaust sound was increased several times, and to this was added a fairly strong buzzing of the front axle when it was connected....
4. The armored hull had a flat bottom, which was ideal for overcoming off-road and water obstacles, BUT it significantly reduced the survivability of the vehicle, IEDs...
(maybe that missed ???)

These shortcomings could be eliminated during the modernization of BBM ....
The civilian modification was produced in small series according to individual orders, with an increased level of comfort, exclusive interior trim, as well as improved sound insulation of the car, equipped with air conditioning, a modern audio system, an intercom...
it was possible to install a bilge pump on a car, as well as an electric winch with an effort of 5, 4 tons ((this particular version of "Vodnik" is shown in the photo self-propelled))))
was equipped with a Japanese diesel engine HINO-J07C, which had improved ergonomic characteristics and engine life......

It's a shame, it's a shame that the "Vodnik" project was closed.... But I'm sure that we'll return to this project again.

[Bayonet]

Quote: qwert

In my opinion, both conceptually and in hardware this car is better than all the Tigers, Wolves and other followers of the Hunters.

What is he better? There are a lot of shortcomings, and criticism from people who actually exploited it. Indeed, it was better to develop the BRDM - a new diesel engine, armor, hatches on the sides. And additional wheels ... also a controversial thing, maybe such a complication of the machine would not be necessary, and there would be more space inside.

[psiho117]

Quote: qwert

In my opinion ... this car is better than all Tigers, Wolves and others

My dear, have you seen him live? maybe they made a landing-disembarkation from it?
Maybe they were under fire? no?
Then I will disappoint you: according to the reviews of those who were dealing, this little car is a rare guano, with thin walls and moronic small doors.

[cosmos111]

Quote: psiho117

moronic little doors.

photo click

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

And what then? This "Vodnik" looks like an inverted trough ... The armor is only bulletproof ... When a land mine was detonated, it was pierced by shrapnel !!! In a modern war, all transport must be made protected according to the principle of Western MRAPs, protection from undermining from below and from a large-caliber rifle in a circle, the possibility of installing a special KAZ will not interfere ... And such transports of several types are needed light (reconnaissance) from 3-5 people, medium for 10 people (squad) and large (transport or as a base for hailstones, shells and other things) ... All our fighters must be covered with armor not only in battle, but also when moving in a column on the march ...

[Wild_grey_wolf]

Thanks for the interesting article, you can say learn from mistakes. Now we have variants of equipment in which operating experience is taken into account. Yes, the machine is not handsome, but apparently the designers were looking for layout options and solutions for modern conditions. . .

[106 VDD]

In my opinion, the car has a serious minus - a flat bottom, which does not help the crew in any way during a mine / landmine explosion.

[self-propelled]

Quote: 106VDD

In my opinion, the car has a serious minus - a flat bottom, which does not help the crew in any way during a mine / landmine explosion.

why make from highly mobile vehicle regular MRAP? Attempts by the US to provide good protection for their HMMWVs led to the fact that the "hummer" ceased to be highly mobile (and became conditionally mobile on the off-road).
I repeat, but still - each vehicle has its own "niche".

[would]

Then that in modern military conflicts, IEDs and mines are massively used, including those far from the areas of military operations. Blasting one of the cars in an ambush classic column.

attempts by the US to provide good protection for their HMMWV led to the fact that the "hummer" ceased to be highly mobile

These attempts represented the desire to eliminate the already existing design flaws of the machine. Naturally, this was doomed to failure and that is why the United States abandoned the Humvee.

[cast iron]

Don't you know that during an ambush a column of explosives with a mass of at least a lot is usually put on a column to demolish a 60-ton tank? Not a single MRAP can take so much.

[Massik]

Well, how do you want? Have half the mass and armor-explosion protection at the level of the "Cougar"?

[avt]

Quote: Marssik

? Have half the mass and armor-explosion protection at the level of the "Cougar"?

Quote: Waltasar

He still has different tasks with the tiger.

The Bundes seem to have an analogue - "Feneque" with quite specifically sharpened equipment for a specific task.

[self-propelled]

Quote: avt

The Bundes seem to have an analogue - "Feneque" with quite specifically sharpened equipment for a specific task.

"Fennek" is rather a kind of analogue of the BRDM-2.

although Vodnik was also initially seen as a replacement for the outdated BRDM. but then they got carried away with modularity and the car became multi-purpose

[the47th]

Glasses on a combat vehicle. Ingenious!

[cast iron]

Well, it’s much better to have no glasses at all, like in World War 2 tanks))) Well, or make a nonsense like on an BTR70 / 80 with tiny glasses that have to be closed with a lid through which nothing is visible.

[the47th]

It's better. After a short line in the windshield, the driver and commander stop seeing anything on the road. In triplexes, the review is not so hot, but it is always there, and not just before the first hits. In addition, glass, no matter how armored it is, will crumble after intensive shelling.

[cast iron]

YOU only saw the APC in the picture. That is why tell tales about what is "better" to leave to schoolchildren.

[Hey]

There was a video in 2014, where "Vodnik" was in the column on Dombas.

[self-propelled]

Quote: MUD

There was a video in 2014, where "Vodnik" was in the column on Dombas.

AND? even earlier "Vodniki" were seen in Uruguay ...

[padded jacket]

Although some people think that "Vodnik" is unsuccessful, I like this multi-purpose machine at least purely outwardly.

Quote: MUD

There was a video in 2014, where "Vodnik" was in the column on Dombas.

You probably meant the video where, along with him, "Shot" was also "lit up"?

Or is there something else?

[cosmos111]

Quote: MUD

There was a video in 2014, where "Vodnik" was in the column on Dombas.

GAZ-3937 "Vodnik" as part of the LPR forces. Krasnodon (Luhansk region), 10.01.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX (c) video frame from www.youtube.com

[cosmos111]

GAZ-3937 "Vodnik" South Ossetia, war 08.08.08

[rennim]

Or maybe just further develop the BRDM segment which is better protected and knows how to swim.

[Massik]

Can we first decide what we want to get?
Most people here want everything at once: floating, so that it can hold a PG-7VL in any part of the hull and detonate 20 kg of TNT under the bottom at least, oh yeah, I forgot modularity and installation of an unmanned installation with a 30 mm cannon, ATGM, AGS and PKT. Well, and also preferably inexpensive, because we are always short of money.

[cast iron]

No, here many people want all-round protection from 12,7mm at least 300 meters. Plus at least minimal mine protection. And it would also be nice to remove the internal combustion engine in the space between the front passenger and the driver, making the body one-volume + add doors from the sides. Well, increase the height a little, then they sit there in it in the pose of "an embryo under a ton of concrete."

[CHILD]

The sealed partition between the modules somehow really doesn’t look very reasonable .... the truck turns out, but where is the silencer? (Became comfort and stealth not relevant?) .... then I suspect, as always, to bring the mind to the place, we will build it in a new way. ... is it interesting that someone analyzed the factor of human relations (interpersonal) in the design, development and adoption ??

[Ruslan]

maybe because the engineers and designers in the army served on favorable terms, or were not in the army at all? so they would have to serve them for 2 years on non-convenient and complex machines, such masterpieces would then be designed :)

[Dimon-chik-79]

Quote: rennim

Or maybe just further develop the BRDM segment which is better protected and knows how to swim.

That's it!

[cosmos111]

Quote: Dimon-chik-79

That's it!

the door in the case, NORMAL, to put, for entry / exit AND the price, WAS BRDM 2M, NOT ....

on the photo Textron М1117 "Guardian"

[Zaurbek]

With advances in reconnaissance systems (UAVs, radars, thermal imagers and control electronics) such heavy vehicles will not be needed. Some of these functions will go to the Tiger, some to a smaller floating one... I forgot the name.

[dchegrinec]

On the basis of the 66th, miracles can be done! Where you poke a finger there and go! They came up with a handsome man!

[Volga Cossack]

good development. sorry I didn’t find my niche ........ a couple at GAZ were used as collectors.

[self-propelled]

Quote: Volga Cossack

a couple at GAZ were used as collectors.

probably mean SIAM?
he said that it turned out to be too expensive and cumbersome as for a city collector armored car (although, as for me, large amounts of cash are carried not only in the city ...).
then they decided on the basis of SIAM to make a car for police special forces, but the Ministry of Internal Affairs was not interested in this machine ...

[cosmos111]

diagram/drawing of overall dimensions, multi-purpose armored fighting vehicle "Vodnik"

[Atigay]

Whatever they say, but in "Vodnik" you can see a desire to get away from stereotypes. Yes, the doors are uncomfortable, yes, the modules are not connected, the armor is thin. But I like. I would like to give it to another group of engineers for finishing work. The thing will work out!

[dakty]

Deep modernization of shishigi. And the worst part is the extremely low quality of workmanship. What kind of armor can we talk about when the transport from point A may not go far: look at the puddles of oil under the razdatka and gur (or motor). And this is on the exhibition copy? !!