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Polish claims to Ukraine. Will Warsaw decide to “bite off” Galicia?

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Against the background of the events in Syria and the deterioration of Russian-Turkish relations, the situation in Poland fell out of sight. Meanwhile, the policy of the Polish state in the near future may change significantly. No, of course, we are not talking about the normalization of relations with Russia. Moreover, the right-and-right right-wing party, which won the Polish 25 parliamentary elections in October 2015, is in Russophobic positions. Many of its activists are sincerely convinced not only of the Soviet Union’s fault in the mass execution of Polish officers in Katyn, but also in the fact that Russia was involved in the plane crash near Smolensk - the very same one on which the Polish president and a number of high-ranking Polish generals and officers were flying. For Russia, the victory of the party "Law and Justice" means the preservation, and even aggravation of previous contradictions. However - nothing terrible, to the eternal discontent of Warsaw in Russia have become accustomed. Ukraine is another matter. Euro-oriented Kiev authorities still cherish the dream of integrating the “independent” into the European Union. Naturally, anti-Russian Poland is considered by Kiev as one of the main allies. But Poland itself seems to perceive Ukraine in a slightly different way.


Poland recalls Volyn Massacre

The new president of Poland, Andrzej Duda, who was elected to this post in the spring of 2015, repeatedly raised in his speeches the question of the need to de-prime the Ukrainian insurgent army. It is no secret that it is precisely the ideology and practice of the UPA and the OUN, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists, that Kiev is today used to build Ukrainian national identity. It is the OUN-UPA militants who are considered by the Kiev authorities as new national heroes of Ukraine, who should become an example for modern Ukrainians. Appealing to the period of the Second World War, when UPA detachments fought against the Soviet troops liberating Europe from Hitler’s Nazism, the Ukrainian authorities are trying to use the image of “Bandera’s” to consolidate the country's population and propagate Russophobic sentiments. Thus, in the ideology of modern Ukraine, "Banderovites" play an important and almost irreplaceable role. They are considered national heroes, and in the cities of Galicia their ideological followers march under the same banners and with the same slogans. But the Poles are extremely disagree with the “banderization” of Ukraine. The nearest western neighbors can not forget the famous Volyn massacre of Galicians - a terrible war crime during the Second World War.

Polish claims to Ukraine. Will Warsaw decide to “bite off” Galicia?
- Andrzej Duda, President of Poland

Recall that in March 1943, the formation of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army - the Organization of Ukrainian nationalists (Bandera) began a real genocide of the Polish civilian population in the territory of Volyn. For a long time, an impressive Polish population lived in this region of Western Ukraine. After all, these lands were once part of the Commonwealth. Ukrainian nationalists cultivated anti-Polish sentiments because they viewed the Poles as enemies of the Ukrainian “separatist” and sought to avenge them over the centuries of finding the Galician lands under Polish rule. Back in 1942, the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (Bandera) decided to evict Poles living there from the Volyn lands. First, the OUN militants attacked the Poles, who were on the Nazi service and were engaged in the protection and management of state estates and forests. The next target of attacks from Bandera became the Poles, who moved to Volyn after the end of the First World War. Then came the turn and the indigenous Poles, who lived for centuries in the countryside in Volyn. 11 July 1943. Bandera detachments simultaneously attacked more than 150 Polish settlements. The entire civilian population of Polish nationality was cut out, including women, old people and children. "Under the hot hand," Bandera fell and nepolyaki. Modern historians estimate the total number of victims of the Volyn Massacre at tens of thousands of people - from 30-40 to 50-70 thousand. Only by the end of the summer did the Polish formations of the Home Army and the Soviet partisan detachments begin to carry out retaliatory actions against the Ukrainian villages where the units of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army were based. Sometimes divisions of the Home Army came to kill Ukrainian civilians, but the scale of the victims of the Poles and Bandera’s actions are still incomparable.

For Poland, the issue of recognizing the Volyn massacre has always been of fundamental importance. Of course, a significant part of the Polish population has always very negatively perceived the celebration of Bandera in Ukraine. It is noteworthy that dissatisfaction with the "banderization" of Ukraine was not accompanied by adequate political assessments of the events taking place in Ukraine. So, the Poles preferred to be friends with Yushchenko, although it was he who proclaimed Stepan Bandera the hero of Ukraine. Viktor Yanukovych canceled the decree on assigning Bandera the title of hero of Ukraine. But sympathy from the Polish leadership did not deserve. Similarly, today Warsaw seems to demonstrate full support for the actions of the Kiev regime, which heroized Bandera. The fact that many Poles ancestors died during the Volyn massacre, the Polish government does not take into account. They continue to cooperate with Kiev - current policy is more important historical memory. However, on July 15, 2009, the Sejm of Poland adopted a resolution emphasizing that the OUN and UPA carried out mass killings that were of the nature of ethnic cleansing and possessed signs of genocide. Four years later, on July 15, 2013, the Polish Sejm again adopted a special resolution dedicated to the seventieth anniversary of the tragic events in Volyn. It also emphasized that the Volyn massacre was carried out according to ethnicity and bore the features of the genocide of the Polish population. The number of those killed in 1942-1945 was named. Poles of Volyn and Eastern Galicia - about 100 thousand people. At the same time, in the 2013 declaration, gratitude was expressed to those Ukrainians who risked their lives protecting the “Polish brothers” from terror from the Ukrainian Insurgent Army - the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists.

Will Kiev restitution wait?

Another important issue for modern Poland is the restitution of Polish property in Ukraine. We are talking about making claims of a property nature from a number of Polish citizens whose ancestors before Galicia joined the USSR owned land in the territory of modern Ukraine. Of course, making claims for the return of land or compensation became possible only after the pro-Western regime came to power in Ukraine. It turns out that the Ukrainian nationalists - russophobes have fallen on the "gratitude" from the Polish nationalists. Polish nationalists are always ready to support Kiev against Russia, but they do not forget about their own interests, including property. In Poland, the Restitution of the Kresov organization operates, which has already collected 600 packages of documents with a view to going to court on the issue of the return of Polish property in Ukraine. According to a representative of the organization, 1,2 has collected thousands of statements from Polish citizens who are counting on returning property belonging to their ancestors. In Warsaw, Krakow, Lublin, Chelme, Przemysl, Szczecin, meetings with local residents are held in order to collect applications from those who want to return their property. The organization threatens that in case of evasion of the Ukrainian courts from making decisions on restitution, it will appeal to the courts of the United States and Europe.



By the way, the Restitution of the Cresses organization itself is very young, it appeared only in April of the current 2015 of the year. That is, it was the change of power in Ukraine and the subsequent weakening of the Ukrainian state and its transformation into a complete puppet of the European Union and the United States that led to the revival of revanchist ideas in Poland, including the idea of ​​restitution of Polish property. The Association of Ukraine with the European Union is possible if there are no complaints against Ukraine from the countries - participants of the European Union. The Poles, in this case, successfully seized the moment - it is quite likely that the Kiev government would have no choice but to proceed with the return of the land to Polish citizens. It is interesting only how this process will occur. Indeed, at least 100 of thousands of people live in Poland who possess evidence that they owned property on the territory of modern Western Ukraine. In the case of claims to Ukraine, we can talk about property worth billions of dollars. For Ukrainian citizens and the Ukrainian authorities, the need to return real estate to the previous owners may entail many problems - after all, in the mansions of the Polish gentry have long been public institutions, including government bodies, many houses are divided into apartments and are owned by citizens. However, in Poland itself not all politicians adhere to the idea of ​​the need for restitution. Those who doubt the benefits of this event for the Polish state have a weighty argument - if the Poles demand that Ukraine return their property, which they owned before the Second World War, then the Germans would not be able to come up with similar demands to Poland, which included included a number of German lands? Finally, by no means all Polish politicians are inclined to spoil relations with Kiev, especially since the United States of America looms behind the back of the Ukrainian authorities, and they are also the “senior partner” of Poland.

Territorial claims. "Lviv - Polish city"

However, if Ukraine returns the land or pays compensation for them to Polish citizens, Ukraine is still theoretically able, then the prospect of Poland making specific territorial claims on Kiev becomes a much more problematic issue for her. The fact is that Poland views the lands of Western Ukraine as illegally alienated from her in 1939, and then, after the Second World War, remaining in the Soviet Union. In the period between the two world wars, as is known, the territory of most of Western Ukraine (except for Transcarpathia and Bukovina) was part of Poland. It is quite natural that Polish nationalists raise the issue of the return of lands. When in a veiled form, and when-and quite frankly. As did the newly elected Polish Senator Jan Zharyn. He, in particular, stated that "without Lviv, a city that is always loyal to Poland, there is no Polish people." Also, the senator turned to the eternal theme of the Volyn Massacre and other actions of the OUN-UPA, saying that if Ukraine seeks to become a European state and join the Latin civilization family, it will not be able to achieve these goals, while justifying and supporting the activities of the UPA and OUN during World War II. According to Jaryn, the Ukrainians ’justification of the actions of the OUN-UPA shows that they are not ready to join the“ European family ”, since they consider genocide as an acceptable means of solving political issues and contradictions. Interestingly, Senator Zharyn represents the ruling Polish party, Law and Justice, which adheres to pro-American positions and, in theory, should act as a strategic ally of Kiev.

The complexity of the situation lies in the fact that for Poland and Ukraine, the historical memory of the Volyn massacre is of fundamental importance. For Poles, “turning a blind eye” to the rehabilitation of Bandera in modern Ukraine and their official proclamation as national heroes is tantamount to a betrayal of the memory of the victims of the Volyn tragedy. Roughly this would look similar if Hitler’s revival and Hitler’s rehabilitation took place in Germany, and Israel would turn a blind eye and continue to work closely with Germany, send government delegations and agree on integration processes. That is, in reality, such a situation is almost impossible. The Volyn massacre has symbolic meaning for the Poles, and here even the pro-American aspirations of modern Polish leaders may not overpower the national memory. Even more difficult for the Ukrainian regime. After all, the formation of modern Ukraine took place only through the exploitation of the images of “UPA heroes”. Bandera has become an integral and fundamental component of modern Ukrainian national ideology. If Kiev remove the OUN-UPA and Bandera, then there will be practically nothing to build the ideology of "Ukrainians" on. Ukrainian politicians are well aware of this, so they simply cannot go towards Poland and begin the process of degeneration of the UPA. Moreover, in Ukraine, after Euromaidan, the positions of right-wing radicals are especially strong. It is nationalists who form the basis of the most aggressive units of the national guard and the armed forces of Ukraine. They will never agree that official Kiev "betray" the "national heroes of Ukraine." Therefore, even the threat of worsening relations with Poland is unlikely in this case to affect the Kiev regime - after all, by degenerating the UPA, it will destroy the ephemeral mythology that it has created and cherished for a long time, contrasting it with the history of Little Russia and Soviet Ukraine.



The concept of "five Ukrain"

Among the Polish nationalists, nostalgic moods at the times of the Commonwealth are quite common. Revanchist sentiment increased especially after the events of 2013-2014. in Ukraine, when it became clear that post-Soviet Ukraine suffered a complete fiasco as a statement as an independent state and in the long run Poland could regain some of the land that it had torn off during World War II. Many Polish politicians have never concealed their true attitude towards Ukraine - as a Polish colony. Back in 2004, during the first Orange Revolution in Kiev, Poland supported the idea that Ukraine should not follow Russia, but should be together with Poland. Poland is regarded as the only country capable of patronizing Ukraine and “civilizing” it, bringing it to the Western world. On the eve of the 2014 events of the year, the opinion of the existence of the “five Ukrainians” was widespread among the Polish elite. The “Five Ukrainians” is an approximate scenario of the division of this failed Eastern European state in the event of a further deterioration in the situation of the country and certain agreements on the part of its neighbors. First, it is the Crimea. Actually, the Crimea has never been Ukrainian, and in Poland it is well understood. And they have no claims on the peninsula, since it was not part of Poland. Therefore, the Polish authorities calmly reacted to the reunification of the Crimea with Russia. Although Poland formally expressed sharp indignation about the reunification that had taken place and joined the sanctions against the Russian state, in reality the fact of the reunification of Crimea with Russia also gives the Polish nationalists hope for the possibility of reunification of Galicia with Poland. Secondly, these are the lands of Donbass and New Russia, where historically the positions of Russia, the Russian language and culture were strong. Poland has never put forward any claims to this part of Ukraine either - it is impossible to include the Russian population of Novorossia into Poland, and the Poles do not want to live in a polyethnic state. Thirdly, it is Central Ukraine with Kiev - Little Russia. For the Poles, it is also of no particular interest, since it is inhabited by Little Russia. The fourth part of Ukraine is Transcarpathia and Bucovina.

Historically Transcarpathian lands belonged to Hungary, then Czechoslovakia. Bukovina belonged to Romania. On the territory of the Transcarpathian region of Ukraine lives a very impressive Hungarian minority, which is closely associated with the neighboring Hungary. In many localities of Transcarpathia, even street signs are in Hungarian. In addition, the Slovaks live in Transcarpathia - they are to Slovakia. In the Chernivtsi region of Ukraine, the stratum of the Romanian population is significant. After the destabilization of the political situation in Ukraine, the Romanian leadership has repeatedly declared its readiness to stand up for its fellow tribesmen in Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia. Therefore, Poland, not wanting to spoil relations with Hungary and Romania, is not going to consider these territories as the object of its expansion.
The fifth part of Ukraine remains - Galicia and Volyn. Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn, Rivne regions of Ukraine have always been of strategic interest to Poland, since they were part of the Polish state before World War II. Lviv has long been a Polish city. Modern Polish nationalists do not get tired of constantly emphasizing this, with a corresponding hint to the Ukrainian government. Indeed, according to the census conducted at the beginning of 1930, two thirds of the population of Lviv were ethnic Poles. About a third of the population were Jews. And only 8% of the inhabitants of the “most Ukrainian” city were Ukrainians proper. A similar picture was observed in other cities of Western Ukraine. The Ukrainian population lived in rural areas, and the cities were Polish-Jewish in composition (in Bukovina under Romanian rule, German-Jewish). Naturally, the very fact of such a cardinal change in the ethnic composition of the population of Lviv and other Western Ukrainian cities leaves many questions, including regarding the facts of the genocide of the Polish and Jewish populations in the territory of Ukraine during the Second World War.

If Galicia and Volyn were incorporated into Poland, modern Polish leaders would remain in the history of their country as “restores of the state”. Moreover, ideas about the return of borders up to 1939 are very popular in Poland. Thus, in the current situation, the disintegration of Ukraine as a single state is extremely beneficial for Poland. In the event of the disconnection of Western Ukraine, which has no access to the sea and does not represent any political or economic competition to the Polish state, the regions of Galicia and Volyn will be doomed to the role of a full satellite of Warsaw - even if they retain some symbolic independence and statehood. What is Western Ukraine for Poland? Source of cheap labor and the market for the sale of Polish goods. But its subordination to Polish government, or at least influence, is a matter of restoring “historical justice,” as many Polish nationalists believe. At the same time, the existence of sovereign Ukraine as an artificial buffer between Russia and Poland is also important for Poland. In order not to come into contact with the borders of Russia, Poland is ready to support the independence of Ukraine, but at somewhat different borders. The fact is that the presence in Ukraine of numerous Russian and Russian-speaking population, among whom pro-Russian sentiments have always been strong, leaves behind the risk of Russia's subsequent domination in sovereign Ukraine. Therefore, one of the strategic objectives of Poland can be the final distancing of Ukraine from Russia, which can be achieved only by reducing the number of Russian and Russian-speaking population in Ukraine.

The most peaceful and optimal line for Poland to achieve this goal is the banal division of Ukraine. Poland expects to take away the old Polish lands in Galicia and Volyn, Donbass and Novorossia may remain in the sphere of Russian influence, and Ukraine will exist "around Kiev". In this scenario, the logical result will be the return of Bucovina Romania, and Transcarpathia - Hungary. In 2005, ten years ago, when it was difficult to imagine a civil war in the territory of Ukraine at that time, Polish MEP Marek Sivets emphasized that the existence of Ukraine as a buffer state is in the interests of the Polish side. But the borders of Ukraine should, at the same time, be different from the modern ones. As Sivets then asserted, Poland should stand for the division of Ukraine and bring it closer by all possible forces, since if the “Russian-Ukrainian” Ukraine is preserved, Russia will always have a chance to return its positions in this country again.

"Map of the Pole" and the course on the "polonization" of Galicians

Among the political decisions aimed at increasing Polish influence in Western Ukraine, we can mention the statements of the Polish Sejm on the Volyn Massacre considered earlier, as well as the statement on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact adopted in 2009, according to which the lands of Western Ukraine included in the USSR. This also includes the restitution of Polish property in Ukraine. If Polish nationalist organizations succeed in getting the lands back in Western Ukraine, then vast territories will be owned by Polish citizens. Indeed, in the pre-Soviet Galicia and Volyn Ukrainians — the Galicians were peasants, and the Poles — landowners. In addition, Poland seeks to extend its political influence on the Poles remaining on the territory of Ukraine, as well as on that part of Ukrainians - Galicians, who do not have a clear Ukrainian identity and, with due “attention” from Poland, are able to “polonize” rapidly and perceive Polish identity. . Back in 2007, the “Map of the Pole” was adopted, which is available only to Poles living in the east of Poland. According to this card, it is possible to carry out labor and entrepreneurial activities, to receive education in Poland, if it is documented that there were at least one great-grandfather or great-grandmother of Polish nationality in the clan. However, a citizen who is not related to the Polish nation but who participates in the activities of Polish public organizations can also receive the Pole's Card. Thus, there remains a loophole for "polishing" of many Galicians, who can focus on getting the "Card of the Pole" for reasons of social and economic nature. Despite the fact that Poland is far from being the richest country in Europe, the standard of living of the population of Poland is still not comparable with the Ukrainian, especially after Euromaidan and the total political and economic collapse in Ukraine. Naturally, among Ukrainian citizens with Polish roots, the idea of ​​obtaining a "Pole's Card" meets with great approval. After all, many residents of Western Ukraine have Polish relatives, but rather than living in a poor “independent power”, it is better to correct identity a little and turn into a Pole. It is known that Ukraine can live up to 1 million Poles. The number of Catholic population in Ukraine reaches 2 million.



It should also be borne in mind that Poland is an important supporter of the United States in Eastern Europe. Since the collapse of the socialist camp, it has demonstrated pro-American sentiments, and the considerable size and ethnic homogeneity of the population make Poland a very strong nut in the future, which can be used to assert US interests in the region. Of course, that in the 1990-th - the beginning of the 2000-s. The United States envisaged the possibility of the return of Russian influence in Ukraine and made a bet on Poland as the main tool in the conduct of anti-Russian policy. To this end, the United States in every way undertakes measures to strengthen Poland’s defense capability, working to increase the level of combat training and combat readiness of the Polish armed forces. Of course, the use of the Polish army on the territory of Ukraine has been repeatedly discussed, but so far there is no need for that. Today both Warsaw and Kiev are American satellites, which means they have to reckon with what the Washington Regional Committee will say to them. If the American leadership decides on the need to transfer part of the Ukrainian lands to Poland, Kiev will be in a difficult situation. But this will happen only if Ukraine finally demonstrates a complete inability to build an independent state. Otherwise, Ukraine will become a component in the US-built anti-Russian "ring", which also includes Poland, Romania and Turkey. Naturally, it is more profitable for the USA to have satellites both in Warsaw and in Kiev than to allow Kiev to return under the influence of Russia.

However, pro-American Ukrainian regimes already have a tradition of returning territories to neighboring countries. So, back in April, 2009. The International Court of Justice of the United Nations resolved a territorial dispute between Ukraine and Romania over the ownership of Snake Island in favor of Romania. Conditions for the transfer of the island, by the way rich in hydrocarbon resources, in favor of Romania were provided by Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko. It was Yushchenko who agreed to the consideration of the case of Zmein Island in the International Court of Justice, where there were no chances to win. Yushchenko also assured his Romanian colleague Traian Basescu that the decision made by the court would be surely implemented - regardless of which side the court would take. When Romania won the trial, real euphoria began in Bucharest. Romanian nationalists began to seriously talk about the prospects for the return of the lands of Northern Bukovina and Southern Bessarabia, which are part of Ukraine. In order to prepare the subsequent annexation of the Bukovina and Bessarabian territories, Romania began the process of issuing Romanian passports to Ukrainian citizens living in the Odessa and Chernivtsi regions. Like Poland, Romania has simplified the procedure for obtaining citizenship - with the expectation that many Ukrainians who are tired of living in impoverished Ukraine will decide to change their identity and, having discovered the Romanian or Moldovan ancestors, will apply for Romanian citizenship. Obviously, this is done precisely for the purpose of the promising annexation of the Ukrainian territories - otherwise the procedure for simplifying the acquisition of citizenship is not explained, since Romania and its citizens are abundant, and the standard of living of the population by European (but not by Ukrainian) standards is very low and many Romanians go to work in Western Europe. After the destabilization of the political situation in Ukraine, the question of the possible interference of Romania to protect its citizens and fellow tribesmen in Bukovina and Bessarabia was discussed in Romanian political circles much more often.

Variants of events

However, will Poland take a course on the partition of Ukraine in the current political situation? So far, the United States has been able to “crush” practically the entire territory of post-Soviet Ukraine under its influence, with the exception of the Crimea reunited with Russia and the Donbass fighting for its self-determination. Naturally, for the United States it is beneficial, but, at the same time, very burdensome. After all, Ukraine remains a subsidized state, in which its own economy is practically destroyed. The Ukrainian authorities are practically incapable of constructive activities and are typical “temporary workers”. At one time, such figures were staged in a number of countries where pro-American “color revolutions” occurred. The appearance of Mikhail Saakashvili, Maria Gaidar and a number of other people in Ukraine’s policy, who had practically no relation to Ukraine before, testifies, first, to the complete subordination of Kiev to Washington, and second, to the absence of their own bright cadres. In the conditions of the collapse of power in Ukraine, the United States, of course, will never rule out the possibility of the return of pro-Russian forces. The only region of Ukraine where the pro-Russian forces are guaranteed not to come to power is Western Ukraine (and even then, with the exception of Transcarpathia). Therefore, in the event of a change in the political situation in the country, Poland may well play a card with the return of the lands that had been torn away from her during World War II. On the other hand, Poland will have to introduce, if anything, its armed forces into the territory of Ukraine. Of the Eastern European allies of the United States, Poland is the most powerful state, and the Polish armed forces are much more capable than the same Romanian army, not to mention the armed forces of modern Ukraine. Therefore, Poland is assigned the role of the main "colonial troops" of the United States in Eastern Europe, including in Ukraine. Of course, Poland will not endure a confrontation with Russia, but the Polish army is quite capable of carrying out operations to maintain order in the occupied Western Ukrainian territories. Especially, if we take into account the funds invested in its equipment and training in recent years by the American and NATO military commanders.

Pro-American sentiments in modern Poland are associated with a very skeptical attitude of a large part of Polish politicians to the activities of the European Union. Especially scary Polish nationalists idea of ​​providing quotas for migrants from the countries of the Middle East and Africa, rushing to the territory of the European Union. The fact is that Poland for the last decades has been practically a mono-ethnic state. After World War II, lands with the Ukrainian population were “withdrawn” from Poland. As for the many former Jews, those who were lucky enough to survive the Nazi occupation, most of them emigrated to Israel, the United States and other countries. Thus, in Poland, the absolute majority of the population are Poles. Naturally, the very possibility of the emergence in the country of migrants belonging to cultural worlds completely alien to Poland for the majority of the country's inhabitants seems simply wild. The right-wing right-and-justice party, which won the parliamentary elections in the country, gained popularity among Polish voters, including because it shows a principled position on the possibility of Poland accepting Asian and African refugees. Catholic Poland sees a direct danger to the ethnic and confessional unity of the country in accepting the citizens of Iraq, Syria, Somalia, Eritrea or Afghanistan, who overwhelmingly profess Islam and are carriers of very distant and unfamiliar modern Poles value and behavioral attitudes. But the question of granting quotas for migrants is of fundamental importance for the European Union. And pushes him Germany - a neighbor of Poland, until recently trying to "patronize" her. Justifying its reluctance to accept Asian and African migrants, the Polish leadership claims that Poland already plays the role of “defender of Europe” against the alleged potential Russian aggression, and also “insures” Europe against the likely flows of Ukrainian refugees - indeed, to Poland’s territory in the event of further destabilization life in Ukraine will flood the bulk of Ukrainian citizens. In this role - the defender of the European world from Russia and from Ukrainian refugees, as well as from migrants from the countries of the former Soviet Union - Poland is trying to defend its own "exclusivity" in the European space, counting on support from the United States.

The situation in Ukraine is currently worrying most of the countries of Western Europe, although it is already less than the events in Syria. In this context, Europe can “give the go-ahead” to Poland to take back the “European” part of Ukraine — that is, the western regions inhabited by the Catholic and Uniate population. This will help to avoid the costs of restoring the destroyed economy of all Ukraine and shift the responsibility for the further fate of this problematic state to Russia. Quite recently, the world media quoted the words of the new Polish President, Andrzej Duda, sufficiently characterizing the current political position of the Polish elite: “I urge all citizens of the Polish Republic to be ready to fight for the return of the former Polish lands, where our compatriots continue to be persecuted and humiliated by the already new Ukrainian leadership. If modern Ukraine condemns the actions of the USSR — and she condemns them — then this state should voluntarily return the lands of Poland that belonged to it before the 1939 year. We are already doing some work to return Polesia, Galicia and Volyn, and we need the support of the entire population of the Republic of Poland. Every resident of the country must be ready for a righteous struggle for the return of Polish territories, where a great number of ethnic Poles live, who need our protection ”(quoted in: http://www.aif.ru/). Naturally, in Ukraine, such speeches of the Polish president can not but cause suspicion. On the other hand, given the degree of subordination of Warsaw to Washington, it is unlikely that Andrzej Duda would begin to utter similar tirades without the latent permission of the United States. The very possibility of such statements by a Polish politician of the highest level indicates that the partition of Ukraine is considered as one of the most probable and promising options for further developments in the east of Europe.
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  1. apro
    apro 3 December 2015 07: 04 New
    +1
    Any division of Ukraine is unacceptable, and the main thing in this matter should be the position of Moscow, this is our land, this is our people, and the unification of the Russian world will inevitably happen.
    1. Private IITR
      Private IITR 3 December 2015 07: 16 New
      44
      You just need to first kill all the Nazis and hang
      1. apro
        apro 3 December 2015 08: 10 New
        21
        At the same time, and in Moscow, their accomplices uproot in the face of the liberal government.
        1. Conductor
          Conductor 3 December 2015 10: 06 New
          -12
          Quote: sa-ag
          Quote: vsoltan
          But I do not agree with you, you need to share dill

          And then they will begin to divide Belarus, according to a precedent, there is a city in the Lviv region called Rava Russkaya, three kilometers from the border of Western Ukraine, has existed since about 1455 with the same name, this is to the question "Where is the Russian world there?"

          Absolutely no Russian world. This is the translation you have. Rava Ruska from the word Rus and not Russia (Polish Rawa Ruska, not Rosijska)
          word TRUS is related to the Russian world?
          1. Polkanov
            Polkanov 3 December 2015 10: 28 New
            +6
            ... the Russian world begins in the minds. It is poorly applicable to geography. But "rus" sounds dearer to the Slavs than to the Anglo-Saxons and their vassals ...
          2. Berg berg
            Berg berg 3 December 2015 12: 01 New
            -1
            Then the question is, how does Lviv relate to Poland or Ukraine if lions in Poland, like in Ukraine, are not found 1? Then this territory is more likely African or Indian!
            1. VL33
              VL33 3 December 2015 16: 08 New
              +1
              The Russian soldiers on the shields also had a lion! And there were lions in European territories for a very long time.
              1. a housewife
                a housewife 4 December 2015 00: 28 New
                +2
                Well, it seems that Dmitry Donskoy was hunting lions. And in the Caucasus, tigers were found.
          3. Selevc
            Selevc 3 December 2015 12: 37 New
            17
            Quote: Explorer
            Absolutely no Russian world. This is the translation you have. Rava Ruska from the word Rus and not Russia (Polish Rawa Ruska, not Rosijska)
            the word TRUS is related to the Russian world

            The Russian world is not the world of Russians ... This is a world of completely different peoples who use the Russian language to communicate with each other ... And this world exists de facto a long time ago - no matter how it infuriated someone !!! Just as there is an English-speaking world or a Hispanic ... And no one screams - the English-speaking world does not exist !!! Because the denial of the obvious is stupidity !!! It just happened so historically - it is more comfortable and convenient to establish communications in the vast expanses of Eurasia ... Where without the Russian language a Belarusian would never understand an Uzbek and an Armenian is a Kazakh ...
          4. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 3 December 2015 13: 42 New
            +6
            Quote: Explorer
            Absolutely no Russian world

            But it’s not clear why such Jews who moved to the USA call themselves Russians, hesitating to call themselves Jews? Something you are breaching, I do not know at whose direction.
            1. sssla
              sssla 6 December 2015 22: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Vrei who moved to the United States call themselves Russian

              It’s from such casts that they judge the Slavs
          5. Turkir
            Turkir 3 December 2015 17: 27 New
            +5
            Rava Ruska from the word Rus and not Russia (Polish Rawa Ruska, not Rosijska)

            The fact is that "Russia" is a copy of the Greek "Russia", not without the influence of the Orthodox Church has taken root in our country.
            Russia, has a more ancient origin, it is enough to recall the city of Staraya Russa.
            About the word "coward" - in Old Russian (common for both Ukrainian and Russian dialects), this word meant an earthquake.
            In the Kiev chronicles it is said so (I am writing from memory): "in the summer such and such a coward in Kiev was quick", i.e. in a year such and such, an earthquake happened in Kiev.
            1. a housewife
              a housewife 4 December 2015 00: 32 New
              +2
              And the river Ros? Not the Greeks called?
              1. sssla
                sssla 6 December 2015 22: 42 New
                0
                Quote: housewife
                And the river Ros? Not the Greeks called?

                Yes, they came up with everything and everything happened from them - the Jews (Solovyov in the program said that the Slavs in Russia are just guests and the owners are THEY !!!)
              2. Turkir
                Turkir 1 November 2016 17: 48 New
                0
                No, not the Greeks.
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          6. visitork67
            visitork67 3 December 2015 19: 26 New
            +1
            Linguist you h..v. Practice with the words "floor", "plinth", "poland". The words are clearly the same root, and level one is where the spit is.
          7. Rusich is not from Kiev
            Rusich is not from Kiev 3 December 2015 23: 03 New
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            Quote: Explorer
            Rava Ruska from the word Rus and not Russia

            Russia is Russia. Che didn’t know. Novgorod Russia, Vladimir Russia.
        2. Private27
          Private27 3 December 2015 11: 11 New
          +3
          Liberal government led by Mendel except for the power block plant. Let them THINK. Put on the stake!
      2. Sigismund
        Sigismund 3 December 2015 09: 34 New
        11
        Russia needs a whole Ukraine, with friendly leadership and people. This is the best scenario. But most likely, in the current conditions, such an option is practically impossible. Therefore, its further collapse is inevitable, for economic, historical and ethnic reasons. Question of time and losses, both economic and human. Unfortunately.
        1. Irbenwolf
          Irbenwolf 3 December 2015 14: 03 New
          +1
          Paradoxically, the fact - now the only option to maintain a united Ukraine is to fall into the arms of a very peculiar Russian brotherly love.
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 3 December 2015 19: 17 New
            +6
            a kind of Russian brotherly love. ,,
            I understand that you are not closer to a kind of love-lyashko and others like him.
          2. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 3 December 2015 23: 09 New
            +1
            Quote: IrbenWolf
            Paradoxically, the fact - now the only option to maintain a united Ukraine is to fall into the arms of a very peculiar Russian brotherly love.

            We are aware that your traditional love is already called peculiar.
            1. Irbenwolf
              Irbenwolf 15 December 2015 10: 12 New
              -1
              What's up? Silly cliches do not color you and do not attach weight to opinion (by the way, where is it?).
        2. mirag2
          mirag2 3 December 2015 17: 01 New
          +7
          Russia needs a whole Ukraine
          -Ukraine WILL NEVER be whiter than a single country. And with such leadership and such trends in Ukraine, rapping is just a matter of time. Ukraine will not be able to survive, and bite every bite. About a year and a half, not later. I bet.
          ps By the way, there was a certain molfar (sorcerer)-predictor:2007-2009gg
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 3 December 2015 18: 33 New
            +9
            I have long been for Poland to take Galicia (Bandera) to itself, and there they cut each other, burned, hung and rode with joy. And Romania, with yet another attempt to take Bessarabia, will again scoop up.
            1. Dry_T-50
              Dry_T-50 3 December 2015 22: 46 New
              0
              Quote: Skifotavr
              And Romania, with another attempt to take Bessarabia back, will otgrebet again.

              laughing
              How is it in the 5 article of the NATO charter? Is an attack on a member of an alliance regarded as an attack on everyone?
    2. vsoltan
      vsoltan 3 December 2015 07: 18 New
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      apro

      But I do not agree with you, dill must be divided ... completely artificial education ... and where is the "Russian world?" In Galicia and Volyn?
      1. inkass_98
        inkass_98 3 December 2015 07: 31 New
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        The Poles are pragmatic, they do not agree to take the territory with the fauna inhabiting it. I suspect that pest control and deratization will be carried out, as was the case with the Germans in the territories annexed after the war.
        Not a heap: if Poland realizes borders before 1939, then we have no less reason to recall borders before 1914, and in some places even 1868.
        1. Azitral
          Azitral 3 December 2015 10: 36 New
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          Poles are pragmatic ?! Pragmatic ... Poles ??? I haven’t read anything funnier for a long time. Thank you, pleased.
          Ps .: they would be very pragmatic, they would have disappeared long ago. Dope and ambition are the most important condition for self-preservation.
        2. THE_SEAL
          THE_SEAL 3 December 2015 14: 45 New
          0
          Why exactly 1868? As far as I remember, Poland became part of the empire after the Vienna Congress
        3. alecsis69
          alecsis69 4 December 2015 16: 25 New
          +2
          Pragmatic Poles, if they cling to the borders of 39 years, let them first return the territory of Germany, and only then by setting a personal example they look at western Ukraine. And there it will already be visible, follow their example, or not worth it.
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      2. sa-ag
        sa-ag 3 December 2015 07: 39 New
        -1
        Quote: vsoltan
        But I do not agree with you, you need to share dill

        And then they will begin to divide Belarus, according to the precedent, there is a city in the Lviv region called Rava Russkaya, three kilometers from the border of Western Ukraine, has existed since about 1455 with this name, this is to the question "Where is the Russian world there?"
        1. vsoltan
          vsoltan 3 December 2015 09: 03 New
          +4
          sa-ag

          You, my dear, are juggling corny ... you can still remember. for example, New Jerusalem or Slavyanoserbsk .... and how many towns with the name "Moscow" in the SGA? And Belaya Rus ... over time, I think, will become part of Russia ...
          1. viktorMinskiy
            viktorMinskiy 3 December 2015 12: 00 New
            -7
            You can count it .... I remembered the works of the classics. All your conjectures and reflections are reminiscent of the judgments of Mr. Sharikov. Being on their sovereign territory, gentlemen allow themselves to share conclusions as to what to share !!! We have long had our own opinion on this matter. Don't touch US, stop dividing us. Each nation has its own right to self-determination. BELARUS made up its mind !! But here, as always, you can't do without neighbors. Everyone tries to fit in. Now on the right, now on the left .... Professor Preobrazhensky was right. "devastation is not in the closets, devastation in the heads. You would still remember ON ... the mention of which some Russian historians are terribly annoyed with.
            1. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 4 December 2015 00: 43 New
              +4
              I would like to note that before 1917 there were no Belarusians and Ukrainians in Russia, but there was a single Russian people, part of which lived in Little and White Russia! This nonsense was invented by the Bolsheviks with the help of German "comrades". And I would like to ask the "proud" Belarusian comrade, what language was spoken on the territory of modern Belarus and Ukraine, if Russia had not annexed these territories? There are only two options: German and Polish! The Baltic States would definitely choose German! The Armenians would have been gone long ago, the remnants of the Georgians would have learned the Turkish language. The fraternal "independent" states of the Soviet Union exist thanks to a strong Russia. It is enough to remember the large and proud population of North America and draw an analogy!
            2. Starina_hank
              Starina_hank 4 December 2015 00: 43 New
              0
              I would like to note that before 1917 there were no Belarusians and Ukrainians in Russia, but there was a single Russian people, part of which lived in Little and White Russia! This nonsense was invented by the Bolsheviks with the help of German "comrades". And I would like to ask the "proud" Belarusian comrade, what language was spoken on the territory of modern Belarus and Ukraine, if Russia had not annexed these territories? There are only two options: German and Polish! The Baltic States would definitely choose German! The Armenians would have been gone long ago, the remnants of the Georgians would have learned the Turkish language. The fraternal "independent" states of the Soviet Union exist thanks to a strong Russia. It is enough to remember the large and proud population of North America and draw an analogy!
          2. THE_SEAL
            THE_SEAL 3 December 2015 14: 19 New
            -1
            Quote: vsoltan
            sa-ag

            You, my dear, are juggling corny ... you can still remember. for example, New Jerusalem or Slavyanoserbsk .... and how many towns with the name "Moscow" in the SGA? And Belaya Rus ... over time, I think, will become part of Russia ...

            What for? Have you asked the inhabitants of White Russia? Do they want to?
        2. Selevc
          Selevc 3 December 2015 13: 24 New
          +6
          Quote: sa-ag
          And then they will begin to divide Belarus, according to the precedent, there is a city in the Lviv region called Rava Russkaya, three kilometers from the border of Western Ukraine, has existed since about 1455 with this name, this is to the question "Where is the Russian world there?"

          Almost throughout Poland, a respected one will understand you without an interpreter, and many words in Polish, Russian and Ukrainian are consonant and have the same roots ... This is the answer to the question Where is the Russian world? - the Russian world was and is only it is crushed by the West - where it is completely crushed, where partially ... As a matter of fact, the Poles are remade Slavs from the Russian world - a kind of werewolves of the Russian world ... And naturally, these same werewolves are the worst enemies of both Russia and the Russian world and the whole Russian ... For this, the Western Crusaders used all the tools and the war, and the cultural reformatting, and the national question and of course religion - for nothing divides the peoples so firmly as a different interpretation of faith in the One God ...
          This is the very reformatting of Ukrainians into Russophobes and werewolves now actively imposed by impostor puppets in Ukraine ...
          1. Just BB
            Just BB 4 December 2015 05: 13 New
            +2
            Almost throughout Poland you will be understood by a respected person without an interpreter

            This is just an echo of a hundred years of being a part of Russia. And the result of the polonization of the local population - just as a certain number of ethnic Poles live in the territory of present-day Belarus and Ukraine, and ethnic Poles remained on the territory of Poland (I wanted to write "Belarusians and Ukrainians", but this is far-fetched) "non-Poles"
      3. apro
        apro 3 December 2015 08: 09 New
        +5
        The Russian world where they speak Russian, the Ukrainian dialect does not count, Ukraine must not be divided, but returned to the bosom of the mother of Russia.
        1. Boos
          Boos 3 December 2015 14: 24 New
          +4
          I agree! "Pshekia" - the hygiene of Europe, sensed the half-dead state of Ukraine.
    3. builder
      builder 3 December 2015 07: 41 New
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      Galicians are our people? Let the Ruguli be taken away, it's a pity that they did not do this before.
      1. alecsis69
        alecsis69 4 December 2015 16: 29 New
        0
        Let Ragulei be taken away, let the land be left.
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    4. would
      would 3 December 2015 07: 55 New
      +8
      this is our land this is our people and the unification of the Russian world will inevitably happen.


      And those who rode to the famous slogans, those who burned the inhabitants of Odessa, those who killed "Berkut" on the Maidan are also your people? In any case, definitely not mine, the Poles are closer to me than these "u k r s".
      1. apro
        apro 3 December 2015 08: 14 New
        +4
        rait about the Poles Why are you? Why did you love these racists?
        Yes, they lost the battle for the minds of part of the Russian people, but I believe that a temporary defeat will create a normal ideology and take it back.
        1. would
          would 3 December 2015 08: 21 New
          +1
          Besides what exactly they want to take this territory. I would not call them racists for sure, a completely normal people (everything is certainly known by comparison), albeit with an extremely contradictory attitude towards Russia. You can talk and negotiate with them. The state, as elsewhere, is not the best.

          Yes, they lost the battle for the minds of part of the Russian people,


          As I said this for you, they are Russian. But in fact, they never considered themselves to be such, if they didn’t always think for a very long time and still consider the Russian sworn enemies to be destroyed and so on. etc. I treat them accordingly; they are not worth trying to remake them even without taking into account the low probability of success.
      2. sa-zz
        sa-zz 3 December 2015 08: 21 New
        +1
        A terrible dream for a "Ukrainian". And dreams tend to come true.
      3. Konstantin Yu
        Konstantin Yu 3 December 2015 09: 12 New
        +5
        .. With the Poles, everything is clear, as they were the same and remained enemies. And the Ukrainians, "rolling tumbleweeds," will approach everyone, bite off everyone and betray everyone. Nothing new should be expected
      4. Alex
        Alex 3 December 2015 21: 50 New
        +4
        Quote: rait
        And those who rode to the famous slogans, those who burned the inhabitants of Odessa, those who killed "Berkut" on the Maidan are also your people?
        No, these are geeks who should receive (and I want to believe, will receive) what they deserve. And MY Ukrainian people are just those who fought and are fighting) with people like them.

        Poles are closer to me than these "y k r s".
        But as for me, that psheks, that banderlogs are all rubbish ...
    5. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 3 December 2015 09: 03 New
      +6
      No need for fantasies! Ate "the brotherhood of peoples" ... Where did you find the Russian world ?? ... At all times in / in Western Ukraine people were Western, both in terms of their worldview and faith ..
      Good riddance .. The more successful Russia is, the more often they will look back ... In general, it is up to us.
    6. whiteeagle
      whiteeagle 3 December 2015 10: 25 New
      +1
      The Poles do not want to divide and, therefore, to finance Ukraine. The problem is that when Russian tanks are in Kiev, Western Ukraine will ask for entry into Poland. there will even be a referendum. Ho Poland does not need several million Ukrainians. Women with children we can accept. Some of them must be sent to other EU countries, because in Poland there are not so many housing for immigrants. Ho men must fight against Russia. Poland can only give weapons. It is possible that Romania and Turkey can also provide weapons.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 3 December 2015 19: 24 New
        +4
        It is possible that Romania and Turkey can also give weapons. ,,
        most importantly, don’t forget the underpants, otherwise without diving, what dill is a gay man?
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    8. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 3 December 2015 14: 08 New
      +3
      Ukraine as a state unit is insolvent. Therefore, in any case, it will be divided.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 07: 12 New
    +8
    Many "surprises" are awaiting Ukraine from the "friend" of Poland. These "surprises" are listed in the article. It is very interesting how Ukraine will behave and whether there will be a call for help to Europe against the background of Polish political "aggression". Friendship against Russia is one thing, but carving up the Ukrainian pie is quite another.
  3. venaya
    venaya 3 December 2015 07: 18 New
    +6
    Poland considers the lands of Western Ukraine as illegally seized from it in 1939 and then, after the Second World War,

    From what law do they proceed, From the law of power? This territory was recognized by Russia in 1918, there are documents about this. THAT PAN PILSUTSKY RESTORED the "Second Rzeczpospolita", so this is not Poland itself, but the Polish Empire. I think that the problems began when we agreed to call Little Russia the Polish word Ukraine, now the Poles believe that this is their land. Many questions arise here.
    1. Sigizbarn
      Sigizbarn 3 December 2015 09: 50 New
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      I was always wondering why everyone is so stubbornly shouting that something was taken from Poland and Romania. Did everyone forget that after the revolution of the 17th Poland unauthorizedly took away this territory, and the difficult situation in Russia and the large number of Poles among the leaders of the Bolsheviks did not allow them to give a damn about the teeth. And with the Romanians, it’s even easier they chopped Budzhak insolently from the former Besarabian province and then completely captured everything. So, with what fright did the territory located under the Poles and Romanians be considered historically illegally captured by the USSR for more than 20 years?
  4. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 3 December 2015 07: 18 New
    +8
    Ukraine is coming to cut, the Ukrainians themselves are to blame.
    1. Dr. Barmaley
      Dr. Barmaley 3 December 2015 07: 36 New
      +6
      Ukraine is coming to cut


      No one is coming anywhere. The Americans will never allow their lackeys (NATO members) to snuggle up on the earth. Firstly, they are not worthy, and secondly, it is much more profitable to have ever-quarreling slaves in order to fish in muddy water.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 3 December 2015 08: 49 New
        0
        Quote: Dr. Barmaley

        No one is coming anywhere. Americans will never allow their lackeys (NATO members)

        It's just that the Americans will support the dreams of "Poland from sea to sea." But what will happen after the New Year, no one knows? European integration is on the nose.
  5. Per se.
    Per se. 3 December 2015 07: 40 New
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    Poland, like other "great" countries offended by the Soviet regime, forget that in addition to developing their economy, thanks to the USSR they also received territories. If the Psheks open their mouths to the eastern lands that went to them after the collapse of the Russian Empire, they would also remember the lands that they got from Germany, defeated by the Soviet Union. If you want the 1939 borders, return your western territories to the Germans. As for Ukraine, by and large, the very name "Ukraine" was separatist, and if in Soviet times it was decided for political reasons to separate three republics from a single Russia, then at least the name "Little Russia" was preserved. The territory of the former Ukraine is Russian land, and there are Russian people who have been duped by the West, who have been overlooked by Moscow. Ours and ours must be returned.
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 3 December 2015 17: 51 New
      +3
      If you want the borders of 1939, return your western territories to the Germans.

      All the information you provide is undoubtedly one of the most serious arguments.
      This information is a tub of cold water - for drunk nationalists and Poland and Galicia.
      The territorial claims of Poland to Ukraine are ridiculous, after they received Pomerania.
      I would only like to note that the Gallicians are worthy students of their Polish lords.
      I adhere to the point of view of Mercuzzio: "Plague, on both your houses!".
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 3 December 2015 07: 40 New
    +6
    Another fundamental issue for modern Poland is the restitution of Polish property in Ukraine. We are talking about making property claims on the part of a number of Polish citizens whose ancestors owned lands on the territory of modern Ukraine before Galicia joined the USSR.


    Here UKRAINE is stuck by the way I don’t want and I will have to give back the wolves to those wolves ... heh he can’t express anything but malice because after all many times Ukrainians have been warned of the risks they are in a hurry to join the EU ....
    now pay and live like slaves and vassals not only POLAND but also GERMANY, the USA and other countries.
  7. parusnik
    parusnik 3 December 2015 07: 42 New
    +4
    ..Here, Uncle Sam is stirring up water .. Uncle Sam is scaring Ukraine Out of Poland, they say you won’t obey, I’ll divide you .. And Poland is different, you will obey, I’ll give eastern armchairs .. Thank you, Ilya, good material ..
  8. linadherent
    linadherent 3 December 2015 08: 08 New
    +4
    Correctly!!! Galicia is part of Poland, and Poland is part of Russia ... yes
    1. venaya
      venaya 3 December 2015 08: 20 New
      0
      Quote: linadherent
      ... Galicia as part of Poland, and Poland as part of Russia ...

      But you are right, Poland was once also Russia. Even the name "Poland" itself has a Latin origin - "Polonia", where at the root of this word lies the purely Old Russian word "full", which is not found in other languages. Prior to this, this area also had a pro-Russian name. How everything is shaking!
      1. KBR109
        KBR109 3 December 2015 10: 09 New
        +3
        Not pro-Russian, but pro-Slavic. Western Slavs, just in case.
        1. venaya
          venaya 3 December 2015 11: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: KBR109
          Not pro-Russian, but pro-Slavic. Western Slavs, just in case.

          Thanks for the clarification. According to you, the term means: "Will Rus" - has a Slavic origin. Perhaps, but not better, to call it "Old Russian", although you may be right, such words cannot be used here, just in case.
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 3 December 2015 11: 06 New
        0
        Quote: venaya
        the purely Old Russian word "full", which is not found in other languages.

        Not at all? Can not be! Dutch-Russian dictionary (online version)
        polon = play polo.
        1. venaya
          venaya 3 December 2015 12: 04 New
          +2
          Quote: V.ic
          Dutch-Russian dictionary (online version) polon = play polo.

          Mmmm ... I will note that "the Golan language originated around the XNUMXth century (a linguist from the Benelux told me about this). That is, a millennium after the appearance of the Latin term" Polonia ", therefore it cannot have a basis in the primogeniture of this term. the tribes of these northern Pomors mostly spoke the indigenous dialects of the Northern Pomors, close to Old Russian, why no one had any difficulties in communication even during the time of the teachings of Peter I. By the way, the "Norman dialect" in France was completely destroyed only in the XXth century, tried for a long time, a whole century.And Latin terminology began to spread only after the assassination of the Miroving dynasty with their Empire of the Franks and the accession of Charlemagne, the founder of the "Holy Roman Empire" destroyed by Napoleon, just for reference.
      3. a housewife
        a housewife 4 December 2015 00: 47 New
        +2
        But you never know how it is in Latin! Latin was introduced to them along with Catholicism, so that they forgot who they were! And they forgot. Polish Glade.
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    2. SVT
      SVT 3 December 2015 08: 54 New
      0
      You have a "zaboristy" plan, comrade, very "zaboristy"))))) hi
    3. V.ic
      V.ic 3 December 2015 11: 00 New
      +6
      Quote: linadherent
      а Poland part of Russia ..

      Of this hemorrhoids we do not need.
  9. Belousov
    Belousov 3 December 2015 08: 14 New
    0
    Yes, no one will give anything to anyone, the states will not allow it. They will maintain tension, it is profitable for them
  10. Riv
    Riv 3 December 2015 08: 19 New
    +1
    Can Poland squeeze western regions from Ukraine? Maybe of course. It's not hard.
    Will she do it? Hardly. Perhaps this is the only thing that can unite Kiev and Donetsk for some time. A very serious war will begin, in which Poland will look like an aggressor. Together, the militia and the Armed Forces of the Polish Army are likely to crush quickly enough. The advantage in aviation will be leveled by air defense systems, and the number factor has not been canceled. Today in Ukraine, a lot more people from both sides are called up for military service than Poland can afford.
    The fact that the rating of Duda after such an adventure will break through the ceiling. For some time it will be more popular than Pilsudski. But then...

    In general, stocking up with popcorn.
    1. apro
      apro 3 December 2015 08: 34 New
      +2
      Quote: Riv
      In general, stock up on popcorn

      Most likely helmets and MLF, spectators, we definitely will not be in your situation.
    2. would
      would 3 December 2015 08: 57 New
      0
      You write about Ukraine as if it is a modern country with a combat army laughing
      1. Riv
        Riv 3 December 2015 09: 36 New
        +1
        Besides jokes. In Europe, it is now the only army with experience in large-scale military operations. It is very important. In 1940, the Wehrmacht did not surpass the French army either numerically or as an weapon. But the Polish company made it possible for the line and rear units to gain experience and work out the mechanisms of interaction between the combat arms. How many days did France last?

        In the Vietnam War, US superiority in technology was overwhelming. The Vietcong could only oppose this with its experience of guerrilla warfare and rusty captured French weapons. After that, when military aid from the USSR went, large-scale hostilities began. And at first the Americans were exhausted with pinpricks. There is one killed, there are two more, somewhere the squad was ambushed ... And the Americans got bogged down. Their airmobile units darted from place to place, but could not be in time everywhere.

        So if the same Ukrainians, but put under the command of Russian instructors ...
        1. would
          would 3 December 2015 10: 16 New
          +3
          experience of large-scale military operations.


          Where did you see large-scale military operations there? APU has been unable for many months to break a small irregular the enemy group (even if we take in mind the so-called north wind of extremely large numbers), and the "skill" of the command has already become a meme. "Storm" of Slavyansk is generally one complete disgrace. There is no need to say that the Armed Forces of Ukraine are at the level of the 20th century, they are fighting only because such a hated Soviet legacy has not yet completely rusted and not everything is sold out. This is only the tip of the iceberg, I don't even want to talk about supplies and other important things (like the attitude of the population). Everything has already been discussed long before this message. All this "ATO" is one complete disgrace for Ukraine and it is ridiculous to compare "this" with a real war.

          I still said nothing about

          and for some time unite Kiev and Donetsk.


          Donetsk will rather help the Poles than to fight and die for the "Ukrainians". And even more so for zapadenschina.

          Ukraine will not pull such a war, no way. And the civil war clearly showed this. Only if real countries intercede Poland will not be able to win. So voluntary restitution is the only way for Ukraine if no one protects it.
          1. Riv
            Riv 3 December 2015 14: 26 New
            0
            And what about the fact that the fighting was carried out without much success? By the end of 1942, the Red Army also had only the experience of unsuccessful battles. But the Wehrmacht, on the contrary, acted quite successfully. How did it end? That's it ...
            Optimism in this situation is impractical.
            1. would
              would 3 December 2015 14: 35 New
              +1
              So what? Well, you yourself cited them as an example!

              In Europe, it is now the only army with experience in large-scale military operations.


              The Red Army for one second had a huge margin of safety, a strong political leadership, strong industry, the country was not suitable for blitzkrieg in size. She had all the factors for reform and a major improvement in the army, which actually happened.

              Ukraine has no such thing. Maybe if suddenly very powerful personalities become in power, if they are really supported by Western partners, then maybe we will see something similar to the army. But it will be far from today and I personally somehow have no faith in this in the short term.
              1. Riv
                Riv 3 December 2015 16: 12 New
                0
                So after all, the Polish Army, for a second, is also not the Wehrmacht. When was the last time it taught? Have you fought? Maybe the Poles have a political leadership than this shines? :) That's it ...
                1. would
                  would 3 December 2015 17: 05 New
                  -2
                  Not the Wehrmacht, but anyway better than the Donetsk irregulars. Armed, too, I must say relatively well. Especially against the backdrop of the civil war, when forces have to be delayed from the DPR and LPR, from Perekop to the western regions. Of course, only a real war will put everything in its place.

                  Here I don’t at all put on the political leadership and understand perfectly well that I am discussing a purely hypothetical construction. NATO and the United States in the minimum short term will not allow Poland to even crumble into Ukraine. This is a fact known, including to the Polish government.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 3 December 2015 21: 17 New
          0
          Ha, the Wehrmacht won and progressed, and the APU are defeated and degraded.
    3. Egoza
      Egoza 3 December 2015 10: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: Riv
      Can Poland squeeze western regions from Ukraine? Maybe of course. It's not hard.
      Will she do it? Unlikely

      How to say ... We are talking about restitution, the return of property, and this is the first point of association with the EU. Why fight? Give apartment buildings, apartments, cafes, farms, farmsteads. So there will be an elementary resettlement of the Poles to their former lands without any war. Moreover, in the memory very many have a map of the Pole. Is it in vain that Poland so supported the Maidan? And there is no reason to worry that Germany will make a complaint. Poland is already in the EU. Since they have not bothered before, then they will not.
      With all this, in Lviv, the construction of new houses is going on rather briskly, and the "poor Westerners" are buying out entire entrances, i.e. the most cunning already know that many will lose their current places of residence and they will need to move somewhere, and here they will tear off the last skin from the evicted.
      Another thing is that the radicals will try to defend "their own" and there will be a big mochilovo, the Poles will remember the Volyn massacre, and the PS and all the rest - the valor of Bandera. so it is in Galicia that there will be the most noise.
      as for the Hungarians and other "tovarisches". They will hold a referendum on reunification in the Hungarian villages, and here the UN will support them, like the rest of Europe, and Ukraine will not fade, because it is head over heels in debt.
      In short, the prediction of the last real molfar (witch) that he made back in 2009 will come true. (For which they killed, so as not to tell the horror when we lathered in Europe) He openly said that Ukraine would be divided ... if you are interested, type in Google - prediction of Molfar Nechay
      “One people, their own, became an enemy between themselves, and this was done by a third party,” Nechai predicted in his last interview in 2009.
      Or a video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fp77lmsEZo
      1. Riv
        Riv 3 December 2015 14: 30 New
        0
        Maybe in Ukraine someone else believes in this very association. But actually this is the same carrot in front of the ass face. No deflections will help and because the donkey runs faster, the carrot will not get any closer.
        Molfars, speak? This is some very strong witchcraft ... :)))
  11. Woodman
    Woodman 3 December 2015 08: 50 New
    +1
    The era of change ... Life is hard, but interesting)))
  12. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 December 2015 09: 03 New
    +2
    Yes, and figs with them, with this Zapukra and its inhabitants.
    So for me it is necessary to share.
    In Ukraine, there has always been a confrontation between the east, center and west of the country.
    Just until recently, it was beneficial to live together.
    And now the benefits will be lost and trample on the independence in full growth.
    So let it be divided, the population will be redistributed automatically
    depending on preferences and is part of neighboring countries.
    And they forgot this Ukraine ...
  13. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 3 December 2015 09: 10 New
    -1
    But isn’t it time to show the psheks where their place is at the bucket?
    The bastards whipped up completely.
  14. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 3 December 2015 09: 29 New
    +1
    Quote: apro
    Any division of Ukraine is unacceptable, and the main thing in this matter should be the position of Moscow, this is our land, this is our people, and the unification of the Russian world will inevitably happen.

    what is western Ukraine needed? section will lead to a change in the buffer state. they will simply become poland instead of ukraine. God commanded to share.
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 4 December 2015 00: 53 New
      +3
      God generally said that a house divided in itself would not stand.
  15. provincial
    provincial 3 December 2015 10: 01 New
    0
    And I want, and pricks, but dad does not order.
  16. blackenergy89
    blackenergy89 3 December 2015 10: 40 New
    +1
    New Russia should be free, Galicia to the Poles, Hungarians mountains
    1. IS-80
      IS-80 3 December 2015 10: 44 New
      +4
      Quote: blackenergy89
      New Russia should be free, Galicia to the Poles, Hungarians mountains

      Hand out your mountains and Galicia, but ours do not.
  17. gallville
    gallville 3 December 2015 10: 58 New
    +3
    In fact, with the separation of the western regions, the central ones will only win. And that is a fact. Sad but true.
    Western regions (with the exception of Lviv) work in the red. Previously, this overlapped the income of Donbas and a less stable financial position (and under Kuchma, in general, good is the largest% of GDP growth in Europe).
    The separation or improvement of the economy there (the latter cannot be expected from the current government) will deprive the electorate of the current government. And most importantly, the politically active population, according to various sources, on the Maidan, about 70% were people from the western regions every 3-4 from Lviv. What is interesting about these figures were in the BOTH of the Maidan.
    Why was there no eastern and southern population on anti-Maidan? The answer is simple - they were at work. And the question of the coup should have been dealt with by the legitimately chosen authority. The authorities preferred to run away with the treasury earned by this very people. In general, now we can only remember the saying: radish horseradish is not sweeter.
  18. Oprichnik
    Oprichnik 3 December 2015 11: 23 New
    +1
    Let me remind you that live GDP in passing said in passing that Lviv is a Polish city. (In 2014)
    There will be a division of Ukraine, only the majority of Bandera will not go to conquer their cities and villages, but will settle in the center of Ukraine, in Odessa and further east. What they already do with success.
  19. forumow
    forumow 3 December 2015 11: 35 New
    +5
    Galicia and Volhynia. Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Volyn, Rivne regions of Ukraine have always been of strategic interest to Poland, since before the Second World War they were part of the Polish state. Lviv has long been a Polish city. Modern Polish nationalists do not tire of constantly emphasizing this, with a corresponding hint to the Ukrainian government. Indeed, according to the census conducted in the early 1930s, two-thirds of the population of Lviv were ethnic Poles. About a third of the population were Jews. And only 8% of the inhabitants of the “most Ukrainian” city were actually Ukrainians. A roughly similar picture was observed in other cities of Western Ukraine. The Ukrainian population lived in rural areas, and the cities were Polish-Jewish in their composition (in Bukovina, which was under the rule of Romania, German-Jewish).

    So such an ethno-picture of resettlement says that it is the Ukrainian (rural) population that is indigenous! The cities were settled and partly founded by immigrants from the then metropolis that conquered these lands after the fall of Kievan Rus.
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    2. Turkir
      Turkir 3 December 2015 18: 06 New
      +2
      So such an ethno-picture of resettlement says that it is the Ukrainian (rural) population that is indigenous!

      For some reason, no one remembers the word "Rusyn". Rusyns live there and in Slovakia too.
      This is their self-name. After being in the Austro-Hungarian Empire they were forced to forget their history, forced to convert to Catholicism.
      The Poles did the same.
      There is a wonderful book in Runet - "Galicia, Bukovina, Ugorskaya Rus" published in 1915. I highly recommend it to all those who are interested in Rusyns.
      But this is part of our common history. Then our comments will be more substantive. smile
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 3 December 2015 11: 58 New
    +1
    "If the Poles demand from Ukraine the return of their property, which they owned before the Second World War, will the Germans make similar demands - only to Poland, which included a number of German lands?"

    But the Germans have long had their time to demand from the Poles. IN THIS we are with them.
    1. viktorMinskiy
      viktorMinskiy 3 December 2015 12: 10 New
      -1
      Wroclaw and Poznan were German cities. An autobahn in Europe was built from Braslau to Berlin ..
  21. Ajjh
    Ajjh 3 December 2015 12: 06 New
    -5
    The only logical explanation for this article is that the author went to hang out in the morning, but then he found spice, and by noon he hadn't done it yet, he went creative!
    otherwise I can't understand this "xxx"
  22. Lelek
    Lelek 3 December 2015 13: 09 New
    +2
    (The words of the new Polish president Andrzej Duda, which fully characterize the current political position of the Polish elite: “I urge all citizens of the Republic of Poland to be ready to fight for the return of the former Polish lands, where our compatriots continue to be persecuted and humiliated by the new Ukrainian leadership. If modern Ukraine condemns the actions of the USSR - and it condemns them - then this state should voluntarily return the lands of Poland that belonged to it before 1939. We are already doing some work to return Polesye, Galicia and Volyn, and we need the support of the entire population of the Polish Republic. a resident of the country should be ready for a righteous struggle for the return of the Polish territories, which are home to a huge number of ethnic Poles who need our protection ”)

    How. I just want to say: "Adolf Aloizovich, are you back in the ranks? Again," drank nach osten? "Vultures, damn it!
  23. Zeffir
    Zeffir 3 December 2015 13: 11 New
    +3
    So Poland is not alone in its desire to line up the Ukrainian borders a little. Romanians are also working on the issue of returning once lost territories. For example, they are actively distributing their passports, thus trying to increase the number of the Romanian population living in Ukrainian regions. And most importantly, people are willingly changing their citizenship. If all this goes on, then soon Bucharest will declare its rights.
  24. IAlex
    IAlex 3 December 2015 13: 32 New
    +3
    It is already obvious that Khokhlostan has not stood the test of time as a self-sufficient organism and is currently on its way out of breath. For the survival of 40 million of the state, there are no resources, industry has been destroyed, personnel have fled, and the hope of milking Moscow has not been realized. No one will contain them, and they will not let them share the markets already ... T.ch. we smile and wave, ours will return and it’s good, and let the rest sort themselves out there somehow, because I personally don’t need them and I don’t really care about them ...
  25. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 3 December 2015 14: 07 New
    0
    While Ukraine is under America, Poland can only dream.
  26. tacet
    tacet 3 December 2015 15: 22 New
    0
    It's funny that Polonsky writes about Polish claims, the call of blood, so to speak)))
  27. chelovektapok
    chelovektapok 3 December 2015 16: 24 New
    +2
    Poles can arbitrarily cock feathers and crow loudly. They will do as their masters ordered them from behind puddles. They say FAS-rush to tear. They say FU - the turkey’s tail will be pinched and they will climb back into the booth to whine. Such is their corrupt fate!
  28. bbss
    bbss 3 December 2015 17: 14 New
    +1
    Quote: sanya.vorodis
    Has the "maidan of the brain" disease got there too?

    Got it. We have to communicate with the trolls there. No different from banderlogs. Only their KGB are still afraid.
  29. Sergey Polt
    Sergey Polt 3 December 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    Maybe I'm very lazy, but for me, so the SIZE of the article is prohibitive ....
  30. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 3 December 2015 17: 53 New
    +2
    Psheks will also be presented to the hoklah for the use of their land.
  31. 1536
    1536 3 December 2015 19: 53 New
    0
    It's time, it's time for the Poles to break off the horns. They have very branchy branches and prevent their heads from thinking. Only dudes instead of thoughts. For the integrity of Ukraine will fight ... Russia. And the Poles are definitely not getting off with apples. Scoundrels. Found a moment, jackals!
  32. iouris
    iouris 3 December 2015 21: 54 New
    +1
    Even before the main events in 2013, Russian-speakers from Latvia, having gone through all the restitutions, the destruction of industry and agriculture, clearly explained how Ukraine's "rapprochement" with the EU would end. Did not help.
    I know firsthand that in Lviv they are “unconquerable” that there will be no restitution. This is no longer national narrow-mindedness, this is idiocy.
  33. Aleksandr1959
    Aleksandr1959 3 December 2015 21: 57 New
    +1
    The closest western neighbors cannot forget the famous Volyn massacre - a terrible war crime of the Second World War.

    They cut and shot. hanged .... each other and the UPA-OUN Poles and the AKovtsy (Home Army) Ukrainians with the same "enthusiasm".
    And Ukraine can now really, as aptly expressed in one of the messages above, "adjust" the territory. And then I think they can do what FIG. Themselves. How would not have to ask the "aggressor" for help. But it may very well be necessary.
  34. Vladislav 73
    Vladislav 73 4 December 2015 01: 36 New
    +3
    I don’t know how anyone else, I fully agree with everyone who said that the Ukrainians are not our brothers. Yes, they are not brothers to us, there is no longer a trace of brotherly people, and personally I absolutely do not care about who chops what from Krajina! Who is there to help, (this is to Alexander 1959) - the Maidan horses? Or the cunning Ukrainians who "fed the whole Union / Russia"? Who served in the Soviet army, that 100% remembers the attitude to the k.A.Klam, and anecdotes and sayings There is no smoke without fire ... The Turks stabbed us in the back ... and these, slyly.z. ass? How many times they jumped, shouted, and that's all, brothers ... Russian infantilism, rightly so. More some of these "brothers", and neither the US nor other enemies are needed!
    1. summer
      summer 4 December 2015 11: 10 New
      0
      The moron is not a criminal, this is a patient. He must not be pursued, but treated.

      «Mental retardation - a state of delayed or incomplete development of the psyche, which is primarily characterized by a violation of abilities that manifest during the ripening period and provide a general level of intelligence, that is, cognitive, speech, motor, and special abilities.

      termsquantitatively reflecting the degree of mental retardation -
      1. Light - corresponds to the traditional concept of “moronity”, IQ 50–69. ”

      Social adaptation -
      “Children with relatively mild impairments can quickly turn into disabled people, incapable of independent living. Children with a diagnosis of "oligophrenia" with this approach are forced to live in a closed world, they do not see their healthy peers, do not communicate with them, they are alien to the interests and passions of ordinary children. In turn, healthy children also do not see those who do not meet the "standard", and, having met a person with disabilities on the street, they do not know how to relate to him, how to react to his appearance in a "healthy" world.
      In practice, it happens that a child with a diagnosis of "oligophrenia" is refused to be admitted to kindergarten or school and offered education in a specialized institution or treatment.
      From the 1970s and 1980s, there was a tendency to raise children with various developmental disabilities at home and in the family. Before this, the mother was usually persuaded in the maternity hospital to leave the “inferior” child, to take him to a special institution, since then more and more oligophrenic children are under the care of parents who are ready to fight for their development and adaptation in society. With the help of loved ones, such a child has the opportunity to apply for education, treatment, communication with peers.
      Children who do not know how to speak, poorly understanding the speech of others, look with interest at children and adults around, begin to be interested in toys that their peers play. Through simple, accessible games, they begin to interact with the teacher, and then teach the child the skills that will later prove necessary for him (to eat with a spoon, drink from a cup, dress). ”

      Treatment -
      “Specific therapy is carried out for certain types of mental retardation with an established cause (congenital syphilis, toxoplasmosis, etc.); with mental retardation associated with metabolic disorders (phenylketonuria, etc.), diet therapy is prescribed; with endocrinopathies (myxedema) - hormonal treatment. ”

      And so on, not a medical site after all.

      This is me for you, shanovny Vladislav 73! Don't be too offended. I didn’t compare you with an imbecile - "moderate and severe mental retardation, IQ 35-49, 20-34" ..

      If you are a healthy person, then this is for you -

      “What are you, the royal face, son of a bitch, an impostor, squandering state lands ?! So you can’t save any volosts! ”

      A note on the merits - Your calls are a manifestation not only of defects in mental development, but also of xenophobia.
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    3. Aleksandr1959
      Aleksandr1959 4 December 2015 11: 22 New
      0
      And who is there to help, (this is to Alexander 1959) - Maidan horses?

      Notice, I didn’t write it.
      I wrote
      And then I think they can do what FIG. Themselves. How would not have to ask the "aggressor" for help. But it may very well be necessary.

      Have to ask for help. But the question is whether to provide it ... and if to provide, then to whom specifically.
      You somewhat inaccurately understood my previous message.
      And yes, with such "brothers" and enemies are not necessary. wassat
      1. summer
        summer 4 December 2015 12: 54 New
        0
        Sasha1959 (this is almost certainly the year of birth), sorry for such familiarity, you have with Slava 73 (that is, by default born in 1973, who served in CA {???}, although this may be growth (not in cm , of course, but in inches)?) disagreements like those of the Bund with "purely Mensheviks."

        You are like R. Abramovich (this is not the one who died - this is R.A. Abramovich, oh, this is not the same R.A. Abramovich, this is the other who died - this is Rafail Abramovich AbramOvich by his maiden name Rain) and P. Axelrod (this is another who also died, but not Axelrod Moses Markovich - a leader of the Soviet special services, but the true “Orthodox, in his heart and according to his passport, Menshevik”), Pavel Borisovich, thank God.

        Lovely scolding - only amuse.

        Ukrainians are not your brothers? Then - “The Tambov wolf is your friend!”. stop fool am
        1. Aleksandr1959
          Aleksandr1959 4 December 2015 13: 50 New
          -1
          Ukrainians are not your brothers? Then - “Tambov Wolf comrade to you!”

          Dear, if you carefully read my message, then it says:
          And yes, with such "brothers" there is no need for enemies

          And you are not from the political leaders by chance, they loved familiarity, to improve contacts with personnel?
          1. summer
            summer 4 December 2015 15: 44 New
            +1
            My dear, I perfectly understood everything and already answered you with your “opponent”.

            Of course, the "Mensheviks" R.A. Abramovich and P.B. Axelrod, like Alexander 1959 with Vladislav 73, did not and do not consider the Ukrainians as brothers.

            You, dear, see from the police, and I need to repeat my thought to you twice and slowly.

            Is it necessary?

            Apparently, dyslexia is a professional disease of all “patriotic drinkers” of VO. Well, yes, "the Chukchi is not a reader, but a writer."
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  35. Just BB
    Just BB 4 December 2015 05: 57 New
    0
    If Polish nationalist organizations manage to achieve the return of lands in Western Ukraine, then vast territories will be in the ownership of Polish citizens. Indeed, in pre-Soviet Galicia and Volhynia, Ukrainians - Galicians were peasants, and Poles - landowners


    Panami again wanted to be.
    And the most interesting thing is that no one wants to ask the local, indigenous population: "Do you need new, and even more so" imported "pans?
    After all, for how many centuries no one has asked the peoples living in this territory: "Who are you and what should you call yourself?"
    And then they came up with: Poles, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Russians - although the Russians are still correct: it sounds UNIFIED, "imperial"
  36. stas74
    stas74 4 December 2015 08: 33 New
    0
    Of course, in the dreams of Polish and Ukrainian Svidomo stubborn in their convictions, there is one Bolshevik beginning - to pick up and share. As long as the Washington Regional Committee acts there will be no redistribution of borders that would not be done by local elites.
    The NATO leadership in Brussels, oh, I don’t want to leave the apartment and go east as a battering ram. They are well aware that they will be without overseas allies. Well, they will usually sit overseas and do business. So, any rhetoric will only work if there are guarantees, they will be thrown as usual. In Poland, too, they understand that the Ukrainian methods of playing with the European Union, NATO and the United States will not fail and are fighting with monuments. You can argue as much as you like, but the Soviet Union had to behave like England and the USA - cutaway be all of Aboriginal rights on the winner then now would be kissing in one spot and tried not to yelp.