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Russian aviation strikes at mothballed and camouflaged terrorist infrastructure

What is the mechanism for the use of aviation weapons against ISIL militants? How reliable is the information about the location of their bases, ammunition depots, control points? How, finally, will we respond to the “stab in the back” of our Su-24M? The first deputy chief of the operational department of the Air Force General Staff (1997 – 2003), leading advisor to the Federation Council Committee on Defense and Security (2003 – 2013), Major-General Igor Semenchenko, answers these and other questions of the MIC.

- Igor Gennadievich, we present the tasks assigned to our pilots in Syria. But as far as their decision corresponds to the composition of the aviation group?

- Before answering this question, a few words about the Syrian Arab Republic. This is a country where various religions harmoniously coexisted in society, no one was in conflict with each other. Everyone found a common language. There are families consisting of Muslims and Orthodox. Those and others are very warm to the Russians, Russia.

As for the group of Russian aviation, it is more than 50 aircraft. First of all, these are Su-24M front-line bombers - deeply modernized vehicles with modern navigation and aiming tools that allow targeted strikes. This is a Su-34 - new multifunctional front-line bombers with modern airborne sighting and navigation systems and weapons. Su-25CM attack aircraft - aircraft with armored protection of the pilot and engine, which adequately passed Afghanistan. Su-30 CM multifunctional fighters. Attack helicopters Mi-24P and Mi-35, transport assault Mi-8AMTSH and transport Mi-17, as well as UAV-type reconnaissance aircraft. All this is extremely reliable machines with good interoperability, ease of management.

The composition of the aviation group of the Air and Space Forces of Russia speaks directly about its goals and objectives. These are military ground infrastructure facilities of the terrorist group ISIS. In particular, combat positions, command posts, factories and workshops on explosives and IEDs, large warehouses of military equipment, ammunition, fuel and lubricants, special equipment and food, hidden bases that were previously mothballed or carefully disguised, transshipment and strong points, points control with communication centers, caravans with weapons and ammunition, terrorist training camps, bridges, other objects.

I would especially like to note that the level of combat readiness and skill of Russian pilots is as high as ever. They are equipped with everything necessary for delivering combat strikes against ISIS ground infrastructure military facilities.

The Russian air group is based at the Khmeimim air base, which is protected by ground troops, located at the Syria International Airport. Basil Al-Assad.

- How did the combat tasks performed by the flight personnel, for example, in the Afghan campaign, differ from those solved in Syria?

- If you say one word - almost nothing. Although it is necessary to state that in any operation there will always be its own nuances, features and novelty of aviation complexes and combat missions.

The Afghan campaign, despite many miscalculations and mistakes, for the domestic Air Force has become perhaps the most successful and effective over the post-war thirty years. Su-25 attack aircraft flew as much as no other combatant pilots in the world. If we talk about the contribution of the Air Force in any military campaigns, the familiar phrase of the infantry has long been known: "Without aviation, there is no effective work on the ground."

In Afghanistan, in addition to front-line bombers and attack aircraft, in combat operations with the Mujahideen, long-range aviation was also noted, which once was assigned the combat task of destroying the Ahmed Shah azure deposit in the region of Jarm. Revenues from the sale of lapis lazuli fueled the militants, and the decision to "reconstruct" the fields with high-explosive aerial bombs turned out to be more than reasonable. Long-range bombers worked on a given object from a height of 11 thousands of meters, putting the bombs not just side by side, but literally in the meter. The difficulty consisted in the fact that the area of ​​their discharge and the goal itself were at the level of almost seven thousand meters and to carry out massive and accurate bombing in this area is the same as to get into the bottle neck from a pistol while driving a motorcycle.

The June 10 bombing in the Jarma area was one of the most successful bombing campaigns in the entire Afghan campaign.

We can not forget about the unique operation in Afghanistan to destroy the cluster of Mujahideen in combat positions (about four thousand). Six Tu-22М2 bombers and a whole Tu-16 air regiment were raised into the air. In addition to the “rangers” in 35 minutes, 60 Su-24 front-line bombers joined. A distinctive feature of the most massive departure for the whole history Afghan war was and the process of dropping bombs. The first were the long-range bombers that carried the OFAB bombs on 60, followed by the rest. The result was more than expected.

The air forces practiced bombing of the Mujahideen objects on the principle of “nine-tone calling” - a point drop of the most powerful of the FAB-9000 bombs available at that time, which long-range pilots had to place directly into the roof of the desired object.

- What is the novelty of the use of combat aircraft in Syria?

- This is primarily high-precision weapons, modern means of objective control, satellite navigation and reconnaissance, additional exploration with the help of UAVs, modern on-board avionics, new sighting and navigation systems, etc.

The main means of destruction for the suppression of groups of ISIL are high-explosive, adjustable bombs and guided missiles of all classes, under certain conditions of hostilities and other types of ammunition are used - volume-detonating and concrete-breaking.

A special place in the Syrian aviakampaniya is the use, as already said, the UAV for additional exploration purposes. As well as effective means of observation, equipped with the most modern cameras with a variety of modes that can work at any time of day with minimal risk of being detected.

We should also note the military aircraft used in Syria. Along with the ultramodern Su-34 front-line bombers, whose targeting and aiming systems can deliver an air-to-air missile literally through the air vents to terrorists, the Su-24M with a variable sweep wing are also working in the sky. These aircraft only superficially remind that the development of a unique front-line bomber was carried out in the USSR. Its electronic “stuffing”, which is responsible for targeting, aiming and using weapons, fully corresponds to the set combat missions, is a modern product of the Russian defense industry.

The main part of the Russian aircraft sent to Syria is equipped with the latest domestic development of the Specialized Computing Subsystem (SVP-24). The idea behind this system is to provide not accurate homing at the target of the ammunition, but the correct conclusion to the point of discharge of unmanaged means of destruction of their carrier. By this, our system is fundamentally different from the American concept of turning conventional bombs into precision weapons - JDAM. The United States installs on the free-fall bombs kits, providing them to aim at the target according to GPS data, turning them into manageable ones.

SVP-24 provides for combining the target with the location of the carrier, adjusted for the flight path of the bomb, calculated by the on-board computer complex taking into account the hydrometeorological conditions and its ballistics. Conventional ammunition acquires performance, commensurate with precision weapons. Meanwhile, in a combat situation, additional factors are imposed that significantly reduce the accuracy of the bombing. These are errors in establishing target coordinates, which can reach several meters. Additional several meters of deflection introduces determination of the place of the carrier according to GLONASS data in the combat zone. Coordinates may be somewhat distorted during sharp maneuvering in the area of ​​the target. The absence of complete information on the hydrometeorological situation and the state of the air environment also has an effect.

Taking into account these factors, we can estimate the accuracy of the combat use of free-fall bombs using SVP-24. The probability of getting into a small-sized protected underground structure is 30 – 40 percent, and damage to poorly protected ground objects with an average caliber can reach 60 percent. Having on board 12 – 16 medium and large caliber bombs, equipped with SVP-24 Su-24М is capable of destroying up to two point objects of the military infrastructure of ISIL in one flight. Apparently, it is for this reason that on each affected object there is on average a little more than one sortie.

- How is the exploration of the area and the identification of bases of militants?

- To obtain reliable information about the location of terrorists and the results of fire destruction, space and aerial reconnaissance (UAV) assets are actively used, and intelligence information from Syrian partners is used, for which an operational group of the Ministry of Defense of the Syrian Arab Republic is deployed at the Hmeimim airbase. Only on the basis of confirmed data received from various sources are aviation strikes against targets of terrorists planned.

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There is such a feature in the actions of Russian aviation. To exclude civilian casualties, targets for strikes are assigned only outside settlements. More than 1600 departures and more than 2000 targets hit - for more than a month, Russian aviation has been hitting the positions of terrorists in Syria. During this period, dozens of warehouses with ammunition and military equipment, food and clothing, training camps for terrorists, factories for the manufacture of explosives, command posts with communications centers and other objects of the military infrastructure of terrorists were destroyed.

- The result is impressive. And yet, why, in your opinion, did the Supreme Commander recently demand an increase in the number of combat missions?

- It took, I think, for several reasons:

- due to the growing number of confirmed intelligence data on the infrastructure of terrorist groups;
-to stop the offensive of terrorist militants and significantly reduce their combat potential;
- undermine the material and technical base of the militants, disorganize the command and control system;
- destroy the military infrastructure of ISIL;
- to bring panic into the ranks of militant terrorist groups, to create prerequisites for their retreat and defeat.

As an example of the intensity of growth in the number of departures can be cited and such. During the day, the air group of the Russian Aerospace Forces 71 made a sortie and struck 118 objects. Positions of militants in the provinces of Idlib, Homs, Hama, Aleppo, Damascus, Lattakia were subjected to bombardment. In the area of ​​the settlement of Salma, the command post and a large ammunition depot of terrorists were destroyed.

Strikes were also made on the hidden objects of the militants, which were mothballed or carefully camouflaged. These are first of all bases, transshipment and strong points, and also KP. On the outskirts of the village of Misraba in the province of Damascus, the control point was destroyed with a communication center of the terrorist group Jaish al-Islam.

Initially, Russian pilots made about 20 sorties in a day, gradually increasing their number. Since the beginning of the operation, the tactics of the air group has changed. Now, combat pilots have gone to work alone, attacking several targets during a sortie.

- Could you elaborate in more detail on the characteristics of aviation aids, which are now used, in particular, such as adjustable AF-500, 250, 270 aerial bombs, and others. How modern is this weapon?

- The Russian aviation group of the VKS uses a wide range of ammunition in Syria. Each type of missile or bomb meets specific tasks.

FAB-500 - unmanaged universal high-explosive aerial bomb. It is widely used to defeat various targets: military-industrial facilities, railway junctions, power facilities, fortifications, manpower and military equipment of the enemy.

OFAB-250-270 - unguided high-explosive fragmentation bomb is designed to destroy enemy personnel, weapons and military equipment.

BETAB-500SP - a concrete-attack bomb with a jet accelerator. It is used from any (including small) heights to defeat reinforced concrete shelters (bunkers) and runways. Punches the ceiling thickness to 550 millimeters.

KAB-500 - high-explosive guided (adjustable) aerial bomb refers to high-precision weapons with the principle of "dropped-forgotten." It is designed to destroy stationary ground and surface targets such as warehouses, military industrial facilities, ships in the stands. It can be used around the clock in any weather.

In contrast to foreign analogues, the main model of the CAB is not built on GPS / GLONASS satellite navigation, but on the recognition of the terrain by a television head. GOS KAB uses not the object itself, but landmarks in order to know its exact coordinates and be guided to a target that does not stand out from the landscape. This makes it more reliable in terms of the use of modern means of electronic warfare, when the signals GPS / GLONASS can be suppressed.

KAB-250S (LH) - the most compact in its class corrected aerial bomb. It is equipped with both a satellite coordinate reception system and its own thermal imaging seeker. Modification of the LH allows you to direct ammunition with laser targeting.

The X-29L, an air-to-surface aviation guided missile with an increased high-impact and fragmentation factor, is equipped with a laser seeker. The target object is illuminated by the laser, which is guided, while the rocket perceives only the desired wavelength of light, which ensures high stability of target acquisition.

X-25 ML - air-to-surface missile finds a target with a semi-active laser homing head. The attacked object can be illuminated by an airborne or ground target designation station. Designed to defeat small objects, including mobile objects.

RBC-500 is a one-time bomb cartridge equipped with fully autonomous homing anti-tank warheads that are equipped with dual-mode infrared target coordinators. Designed to defeat modern tanks and other armored vehicles in difficult conditions of natural and artificial interference. Effective against the accumulation of military equipment. After finding the target and determining the point of detonation of the warhead using the on-board computer (approximately at a height of 150 m), a defeat is carried out, the blow is applied to relatively weakly armored areas (roofs of towers and engine-transmission compartments).

ODAB-500 - space-detonating aerial bomb. It is a type of high-explosive aerial bombs. But its effectiveness with a similar caliber is significantly higher.

- What is the current methodology of combat work of Russian pilots in the air?

- Combat work in Syria is based on data from space and air reconnaissance, and only after clarifying all the information received from the headquarters of the Syrian army. Bombing is carried out from a height of more than 5000 meters in order to avoid being hit by portable Stinger anti-aircraft missile systems. Airborne sighting and navigation equipment of the aircraft makes it possible to ensure that terrorists hit any ground targets with high accuracy.

Along with combat work on ground targets, the Russian pilots directly support the advancing Syrian troops, strike at their requests, prevent the supply of terrorist groups and the replenishment of their people. As a result, the number of priority targets has sharply increased, and the amount of ammunition has increased. If earlier Russian planes took two to four precision-guided munitions or four to six conventional bombs, now the pilots are leaving for combat missions with multi-lock holders that allow them to carry clusters of bombs.

Each flight is preceded by a thorough preparation of flight personnel. We study the data of objective control and UAV, images of space reconnaissance.

It should also be emphasized that the free-fall bombs and guided weapons used by Russian pilots on front-line bomber and assault aircraft allow them not to enter the zone of destruction of the ISIL militants, and therefore to be in a safe combat zone.

17 November, for the first time, Russia used in the Syrian operation strategic bombers Tu-160, Tu-95MS, and also 12 long-range bombers Tu-22М3.

The strategic bombers Tu-160 and Tu-95MS in total used more 30 missiles on the positions of the Islamic State terrorist group banned in Russia in the hottest spots in the provinces of Homs, Aleppo, and Raqca. As a result, 14 terrorist facilities were destroyed, including the training camp of ISIL militants, a weapons factory and armored vehicles. The planes worked in groups: one strikes, the other covers it.

The 12 long-range Tu-22М3 bombers carried out a massive bombardment of ISIS’s military infrastructure for the first time. The blow was struck in groups of two Tu-22М3 aircraft using high-explosive fragmentation bombs. As a result, the bases and camps of terrorists in the racca and deir ez-Zor provinces were destroyed.

All of this suggests that Russia acts very selectively in the use of force, but at the same time it is persistent in its task of eliminating terrorists. At the request of the legitimate president of Syria, she was the first to fight with this black force and achieved considerable success, which could not be ignored by the world community. I believe that the leading Western countries should make a more substantial contribution to the fight against world evil, and not try to drag chestnuts out of the fire by someone else’s hands.

- November 24 in the area of ​​the Syrian-Turkish border shot down our Su-24M. Unfortunately, one of the two pilots died ...

- No matter how painful it is to talk about it, but where there is war, there are always losses. This is a harsh reality that we sometimes do not want to perceive.

It is too early to draw final conclusions - it is the prerogative of politicians and the military. Nevertheless, it can be assumed that in this situation (for the time being, I do not take the Turkish side into account) we did not take into account something. Lack of full intelligence could also have an effect. I know this from the experience of my service and work activities. When, for example, the A321 catastrophe occurred, it was only by the fact that almost 150 people were in the seats, and the rest of the bodies were scattered behind the tail of the plane, I realized: the attack.

As for the Su-24M, the investigation is carried out by the competent authorities, which will answer all questions.

We perform international duty in Syria — we fight, and with good results. This is confirmed by means from space, from the air, from the earth and with our own materials of objective control. Two months of fighting did without losses ...

I am sure that the main command of the VKS will take all measures, including non-traditional ones, so that there will be no such emergency.
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    1. +21
      4 December 2015 17: 06
      Quote: avvg
      Not everything can be said, but to terrorists in Syria pi ..!

      Soon over Turkey ....
      1. +45
        4 December 2015 17: 12
        And this is how my beloved Mat Lee is answered by the "relative" of Jayin Psaki, American KLICHKO! - DECONFLICTIZATION! laughing
        1. +11
          4 December 2015 17: 16
          Quote: Baikonur
          And this is how my beloved Mat Lee is answered by the "relative" of Jayin Psaki, American KLICHKO! - DECONFLICTIZATION!



          In my opinion, the entire State Department has a deformation.
          1. +2
            5 December 2015 01: 10
            I’m more interested in how much more our goof prime minister will be in power? Serdyuk was a long time ...
            This one is totally stupid wassat
        2. +1
          4 December 2015 17: 45
          laughing good laughing I laughed until I fell sweaty good !!! +++++++ !!!!! good
        3. +19
          4 December 2015 18: 02
          .........................
          1. cap
            +7
            4 December 2015 18: 23
            It looks good +++
            "Our man" - however bully
        4. +9
          4 December 2015 18: 04
          You know, when I see Matthew Lee, I want to be with him and help put the question so that the answer sounds unambiguous ...
          1. +8
            4 December 2015 18: 40
            Quote: sabakina
            You know, when I see Matthew Lee, I want to be with him and help put the question so that the answer sounds unambiguous ...



            He asks them questions quite abruptly ... And it is not his fault that the opponent is lost in the answers, cannot actually answer in essence ...

            Well done, Matt !!!
            1. +7
              4 December 2015 18: 57
              Quote: veksha50
              Quote: sabakina
              You know, when I see Matthew Lee, I want to be with him and help put the question so that the answer sounds unambiguous ...



              He asks them questions quite abruptly ... And it is not his fault that the opponent is lost in the answers, cannot actually answer in essence ...

              Well done, Matt !!!

              Yes, it sets pretty cool, BUT, from a western point of view! I would like to help put the question in Russian, that is, directly!
              -Where were you from eight to eleven? (c) And Raikin.
            2. +2
              4 December 2015 21: 17
              veksha 50

              Still, I liked Psaki more. Clever woman, knew how to mow under a complete fool.

              This is not everyone can do it. Work is work.
        5. +3
          4 December 2015 18: 21
          In my opinion, this "talking head" slipped a very important thought. They say anything can happen to aircraft that are not part of the broad coalition. Only he did not think that the same could happen to their planes! In general, looking at this talking misunderstanding from the State Department is ridiculous and disgusting!
        6. 0
          4 December 2015 19: 48
          Quote: Baikonur
          And this is how my beloved Mat Lee is answered by the "relative" of Jayin Psaki, American KLICHKO! - DECONFLICTIZATION! laughing

          http://lenta.ru/news/2015/12/04/syria/ посмотрите здесь первое видео от МО, интересно что за беспилотник
        7. +4
          4 December 2015 20: 39
          which once was tasked with destroying the lazurite deposit of Ahmad Shah in the Jarm area.


          Well, here Igor Gennadievich let the bream go! Why the heck was it to bomb the emerald mines, in which they had not mined for half a century? laughing And they bombed, in order to throw dust in the eyes of the Politburo, which gave instructions at the request of Babrak to strike at Shah Masoud. For there was an agreement with Masood on the unhindered withdrawal of our soldiers. In order not to violate it, they bombed empty. You can imagine what the high commanders, personally Ensha, and the whole headquarters, intelligence, to deceive the party leadership, brave political officers, committee members. And this is in the USSR !!! Ask for what? And for the sake of a few thousand of our boys, there will forever be left behind the river, in the last year. A huge bow to a certain commander that even spat on a possible tribunal, although there could be something worse. The only thing I regret, such a complacent attitude towards this codle of seniors, was to enter the Kremlin, in exactly the same column from behind Panj. Surely they would have kept the Union.
          1. +1
            4 December 2015 21: 20
            Assadula

            Commanders well done, took responsibility.

            In life, one often has to do unnecessary things in order not to argue with a fool.
        8. 0
          7 December 2015 14: 08
          That clown. Smesharik ёmayo ... Not any better than Psaki. Dodges as it can. Psaki was somehow more cheerful, but also a laughing stock. Malvina in thong *** ...
      2. +14
        4 December 2015 17: 15
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Soon over Turkey ....

        Do not carry nonsense, dear. God forbid this happens, because it will be a full-scale war. So let the diplomats tackle to the last opportunity. Good luck, reason and patience to them.
        1. +1
          4 December 2015 21: 52
          Quote: Penetrator
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Soon over Turkey ....

          Do not carry nonsense, dear. God forbid this happens, because it will be a full-scale war. So let the diplomats tackle to the last opportunity. Good luck, reason and patience to them.

          I would be glad, but the Ottomans will not understand otherwise ... Especially when they shed their first blood and Russia responds with "general phrases" .... Your diplomacy, Russia cost a lot of blood! angry
      3. -8
        4 December 2015 17: 38
        Regarding the plane shot down by the Turks, he returned from the mission and walked one kilometer from the Turkish border. What need, say, was in such a close flight to the border, and why not ten kilometers, for example? Then the Turks would have less temptation and reason to attack the plane. Or are there such narrow corridors for passage?
        1. +6
          4 December 2015 18: 44
          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          Or are there such narrow corridors for passage?



          Read and analyze information materials and maps ...

          Already 100 times it has been written that groups of militants are covering up in the region bordering with Turkey ... they are covered with an umbrella there ... not only from fighters, but also from air defense systems ...

          Our planes, assaulting these positions, go literally along the edge of the knife, and within 1,0 - 2,5 minutes to catch the corresponding Turkish space during a turn - do not figs ...

          However, with the normal development of the situation, no one will have time to raise the fighters to intercept and even bring him down with air defense systems ...

          The question and speech is that our plane was specially waited, and the Turks had only one goal - to bring down-destroy ...
        2. -1
          7 December 2015 13: 00
          This is the point that they border Turkey, but the Turks themselves and their coalition do not see this.
      4. +1
        4 December 2015 17: 41
        Great article! Our aviation rules!)
      5. 0
        4 December 2015 20: 09
        Well done! Good result! I would have added, Riyadh,
        Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Doha, Manama!
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    2. +7
      4 December 2015 17: 06
      From "retaliation" not to leave
      MultPutin - Why the Turkish President does not sleep at night?

    3. -55
      4 December 2015 17: 12
      You know how to think, or just watch the news on the zombies? In the US, the media write that in November alone, more than 2 thousand militants crossed into Syria and this is only across the northern border. This is not to mention mountains of arms. Well, your aircraft will kill a thousand in a month - 3 times more new ones will come to Syria. And Qatar and Saudi will deliver another 5000 ATGMs. So that your aircraft will not change anything there.
      1. +14
        4 December 2015 17: 16
        Do not gloat, diarrhea will catch.
        1. +3
          4 December 2015 18: 10
          No Service, are you talking to drugs again?
          1. -1
            4 December 2015 20: 01
            Quote: sabakina
            No Service, are you talking to drugs again?
            reminded: who were you talking to? - to yourself ... - what? - I didn’t listen ... laughing
        2. -1
          4 December 2015 20: 35
          diarrhea in his head
      2. +3
        4 December 2015 17: 25
        One hundred thousand million Qatar will come and Saudi another hundred thousand !! Glory to Ukraine!
        1. +4
          4 December 2015 18: 12
          Quote: 3officer
          One hundred thousand million Qatar will come and Saudi another hundred thousand !! Glory to Ukraine!

          Heroes of the wort! Death to the curd!
      3. +16
        4 December 2015 17: 40
        Already changed. laughing Everyone already agreed that Syria should remain a single secular state, and that while the transitional period of Assad is going on, everyone will also agree. Both Nusru and IS agreed to ban even the Saudis. And our warehouses destroy faster than the Turks and Qatar replenish them. And mercenaries really do not like those wars in which there is a great chance to die. Libya, Afghanistan, Yemen, Iraq, Africa - they have many places where you can earn without Russian planes over your head. 2000 new cannon fodder? Well, it’s better it dies in Syria under our bombs than in the Caucasus it shoots at the police from around the corner. Sooner or later, the frostbitten will end, and the rest will ask as much as no one will pay them for it is unprofitable. 5000 ptrks cost money, and they need to be purchased - neither Qatar nor the Saudis produce them. Yes, and they have where to send them and besides Syria. YES AND A LARGE NUMBER OF WEAPONS IN ISHAKA DO NOT BE MOVED - TENS OF TRUCKS NEEDED, which our VKS calmly destroy. Previously, we did not bomb Turkish supplies to the broads - now we are bombing the entire supply. According to the info of our Ministry of Defense alone, fuel trucks for militants are about 8 thousand - there will be enough targets.
      4. +1
        4 December 2015 18: 29
        Oh you, the Cossack mishandled .... come out of evil
      5. +1
        4 December 2015 19: 46
        "Do you know how to think for yourself or do you just watch the news on a zombie box? In the US, the media write ..."
        Not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, "he said he understood?" You are a psakin son!
  2. +9
    4 December 2015 17: 03
    - Combat work in Syria is based on data from space and air reconnaissance, and only after clarifying all the information received from the headquarters of the Syrian army. Bombing is carried out from a height of more than 5000 meters in order to avoid being hit by portable Stinger anti-aircraft missile systems. Airborne sighting and navigation equipment of the aircraft makes it possible to ensure that terrorists hit any ground targets with high accuracy.


    Thank you for your work and do it without regard to the USA and the West, all of Russia with you.
  3. +2
    4 December 2015 17: 04
    As it appears. Countries "crap" will drag out this war. As expected.
    So drop it, Type everyone will rush to open the Second front to share the cake.
    They will drag out everything for an hour, and they will always have time to share.
    Dermocrats will drag out the process, the United States is beneficial. Since it is beneficial in terms of exporting dead presidents.
    All of America is the export of dead presidents. The entire economy, foreign and domestic policy of the United States is built on the export of green dead presidents of the United States.
    This is not forever. And when it all happens. do not get off them. We are kind.
    1. +2
      4 December 2015 17: 08
      There will be enough bombs and missiles at all. To 2020 should increase the number of carriers by 8 times, and missiles by 20 times.
      1. +8
        4 December 2015 17: 15
        Quote: dorz
        There will be enough bombs and missiles at all. To 2020 should increase the number of carriers by 8 times, and missiles by 20 times.


        The five-year plan has remained ... It would be necessary in the Soviet way, in shock, the five-year plan in three, two years ...

        VITAL !
        1. +19
          4 December 2015 18: 25
          Good Me, I didn't need this topic, "a five-year plan in three years ... crying
          1. +4
            4 December 2015 18: 57
            Quote: sabakina
            Good Me, I didn't need this topic, "a five-year plan in three years ...


            If the soul is in confusion, then obviously, you have no time for the "light bulb" .... And this is already a good sign. At least two of us Yes .
            1. +3
              4 December 2015 20: 34
              Quote: Good Me
              At least two of us

              I will be the third, if you move a bit)))
              1. +2
                4 December 2015 22: 40
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                I will be the third, if you move a bit)))

                There are many places, we will not be constrained.
                1. +1
                  7 December 2015 17: 15
                  Quote: Good I
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  I will be the third, if you move a bit)))

                  There are many places, we will not be constrained.


                  C'mon, the rail is long, I'm with you)
          2. +2
            4 December 2015 21: 23
            sabakina

            I will be silent too ...
  4. +8
    4 December 2015 17: 05
    ISIS is already in the red. Then the head of the Chechen was cut off publicly and placed in the media. And he cut the jump in appearance. It turned out not quite. Few problems? Now R. Kadyrov will also add. For edification and as an example, so that they do not do this with the Russians. Outside of "timeout". There will be a RETURN - FACT!
    1. +5
      4 December 2015 17: 14
      Quote: chelovektapok
      There will be a RETURN - FACT!

      "They will have a pipe and a whistle!" They will have a whip and an ax ...
      1. +2
        4 December 2015 18: 30
        R. Kadyrov said that a resident of Noyabrsk cut ... Who knows what kind of settlement this is?
        1. 0
          4 December 2015 18: 36
          In the region of Surgut, Tyumen, somewhere there.
          1. +2
            4 December 2015 20: 08
            Quote: avva2012
            In the region of Surgut, Tyumen, somewhere there.

            From too, bum so bummed laughing And what is there to trifle with Russian open spaces fellow
            Noyabrsk is the south of the Yamal-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, we called him Tatar-Khokhlyatsky (80-82gg).
            Surgut for 7 hours at 238 km (if in a straight line), almost in the middle of the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug.
            And Tyumen is in the west of the region of the same name, 635 km in a straight line from Surgut. This is another 7:30 from Surgut. There (Siberian Military District) in the 80th was transferred one unit (in which he had the opportunity to serve the Fatherland) and its units were just in Surgut (office), in Noyabrsk ... and in my Novy Urengoy. When there was a direct flight N. Urengoy-Surgut, it was buzzing, and when it was canceled, it was necessary to wander through Tyumen ... here was the "fun": with special mail and weapons under an overcoat (TT-43g) on ​​the checkpoints soldier
            1. +1
              5 December 2015 09: 17
              This is Siberia! 100 versts not distance. So what's next, somewhere in between. laughing
        2. 0
          5 December 2015 10: 56
          ..Who knows what kind of settlement this is?
          -----------------------------------------
          Yamal-Nenets District.
    2. 0
      5 December 2015 10: 55
      Then the Chechen head was cut off
      --------------------------------
      There is generally a misunderstanding. Kadyrov said that he would avenge the death of a Chechen, while arguing that he was not an agent of the FSB. But if so, in what capacity was he there? Here is one of two things. With logic, he is clearly weak :-)
      1. +1
        7 December 2015 17: 23
        Quote: guzik007
        Then the Chechen head was cut off
        --------------------------------
        There is generally a misunderstanding. Kadyrov said that he would avenge the death of a Chechen, while arguing that he was not an agent of the FSB. But if so, in what capacity was he there? Here is one of two things. With logic, he is clearly weak :-)


        Yeah, they’ll tell you right now. Who he was, who he was not, the FSB or the KGB, an employee of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation or a Buryat paratrooper.

        The dude slept, it happens. Shitty of course, but what to do.
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  6. +2
    4 December 2015 17: 07
    In addition, I want to see in action - the new Mi 28.
    1. 0
      4 December 2015 17: 16
      In addition, I want to see in action - the new Mi 28.
      go there and see, you can take part yourself.
      1. -1
        4 December 2015 17: 27
        I was already very kind there, but before the war. And I didn’t write that I want to participate.
  7. +14
    4 December 2015 17: 08
    Well ironed, just close the border with Turkey. It will be possible to completely clear the Syrian desert.



    and so

    1. +4
      4 December 2015 17: 15
      Quote: sherman1506
      and so

      On the last video Syria? request
      1. +9
        4 December 2015 18: 11
        Let's just say what is needed, tear anyone.
    2. +1
      4 December 2015 21: 15
      I would look and see ...
  8. +2
    4 December 2015 17: 08
    For the destruction of terrorists, all means are good, especially the variety in the means of erasing into powder.
  9. +12
    4 December 2015 17: 10
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/080/pxuz510.png
  10. +4
    4 December 2015 17: 11
    By the way, recently I have not seen in the "news" reports on the military operations of our aviation in Syria. What does that mean?
    1. -1
      4 December 2015 17: 19
      Quote: 1976AG
      By the way, recently I have not seen in the "news" reports on the military operations of our aviation in Syria. What does that mean?



      The media hype subsided because they most likely hoped to finish quickly in a couple of weeks, and that all the terrorists would run away. When it became clear that the topic was for years, only significant moments were shown.
      1. +1
        4 December 2015 17: 24
        No, they shut up too sharply, as if they had stopped flying at all.
    2. +4
      4 December 2015 17: 55
      Quote: 1976AG
      By the way, recently I have not seen in the "news" reports on the military operations of our aviation in Syria. What does that mean?

      It seems the freshest from TV. Like yesterday. Really little information request .
    3. cap
      +2
      4 December 2015 18: 46
      431 sorties per week 1458 objects. Russia24 hi
  11. -6
    4 December 2015 17: 13
    Listen, what about the 98km border now? After all, now it’s not possible to bomb it !!!! The Turks entered Syria on the ground. Here and think 2 hours of tank progress to our base !!!
    1. +3
      4 December 2015 18: 37
      Quote: sober
      Listen, what about the 98km border now? After all, now it’s not possible to bomb it !!!! The Turks entered Syria on the ground. Here and think 2 hours of tank progress to our base !!!

      Are you talking about the hill that the Turks occupied? Do you know that this hill has specific coordinates? wink
    2. 0
      4 December 2015 20: 41
      Quote: sober
      Listen, what about the 98km border now? After all, now it’s not possible to bomb it !!!! The Turks entered Syria on the ground. Here and think 2 hours of tank progress to our base !!!

      Hm !?
      What's the problem? In what capacity did they go there? If they declare their presence as a fight against Daesh, then we will simply "help", and if they stood there to oppose the destruction of Daesh, then they are accomplices of terrorists, and therefore we will spread them ... that is, we will beat them as accomplices of terrorists ...
  12. +8
    4 December 2015 17: 14
    We carry out an international duty in Syria
    Words are like music. So familiar and distant, but dear. Good luck to our soldiers-internationalists!
  13. -10
    4 December 2015 17: 31
    In the Caucasus there is a tradition of blood feud without distinction of nationality, and in Afghanistan, the political commander told us they will defend how many children could have so many children and kill them. Eastern families have many children. It’s not that we think about a red rooster at night.
  14. +1
    4 December 2015 17: 31
    Success to our pilots! Can anyone explain, our Su-24 (shooting from Syria) takes 2 (two) AB-250s, one under the wing and for take-off. I saw 4, one under the wings and two under the fuselage. It’s like Il- 2 or Su-2. Why such an underload! It seems like not to fly to Spain, the distance is minimal, in my opinion there is a max. BN-pr. 8 T. If you no longer need to destroy a target, assign several targets. hi
  15. +3
    4 December 2015 17: 34
    Hearing about victories and successes is certainly entertaining! I would read it and read it. But I really want this "fairy tale" to have a happy ending!
    1. +4
      4 December 2015 17: 47
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Hearing about victories and successes is certainly entertaining! I would read it and read it. But I really want this "fairy tale" to have a happy ending!



      Those who doubted the Victory in the Great Patriotic War either died without any benefit or betrayed.

      Those who believed, WIN, regardless of whether they survived the slaughter, or died the death of the brave.
    2. +3
      4 December 2015 18: 47
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Hearing about victories and successes is certainly entertaining! I would read it and read it. But I really want this "fairy tale" to have a happy ending!

      Apparently, you have not read Russian fairy tales for a very long time ...
      "And they lived a long, long time and died in one day."
  16. +1
    4 December 2015 17: 34
    I am sure that the main command of the VKS will take all measures, including non-traditional ones, so that there will be no such emergency. Interesting, and what, these are nonconventional methods? I would like to hear the results soon.
    1. +4
      4 December 2015 17: 47
      Yes, who will tell you, there will only be information about a sudden death or accident, which one. In principle, we should not teach specialists how to find an ice pick and candy. Yes, even as the Israelis do, they let them fly explosives. laughing
  17. +2
    4 December 2015 17: 36
    Western countries, seeing the successes of Russia in Syria, sharply joined the fight against ISIS. This is very reminiscent of the opening of the "second front" during the 2nd World War! They are in a hurry to the section of VICTORY created by Our hands! And then they will say that the MONKEY democracy won!
    1. +2
      4 December 2015 20: 33
      This does not resemble any opening of the 2nd front.
      More like creating additional interference and provocation
      our videoconferencing and of course to tighten the arms conflict. And that means weakening of Russia with the resumption of the Donbass epic. Next in line, they’ll come up with something in Wed Of Asia. So, gentlemen, officers, this is not the time to relax ...
      1. -3
        4 December 2015 20: 38
        In a couple of months, against the backdrop of the NATO grouping, the activities of our VKS will be imperceptible. Or they can squeeze it out in general. So who will ask someone for permission to fly, we'll see.
    2. 0
      7 December 2015 11: 26
      I’m already looking at a glass for victory.
  18. +2
    4 December 2015 17: 37
    "..I am sure that the main command of the Aerospace Forces will take all measures, including non-traditional measures, so that there will no longer be such a state of emergency .." That's about unconventional - more. And let them put their tomatoes in themselves ...
  19. +2
    4 December 2015 17: 40
    Su-25 attack aircraft flew as many as no other combatant pilots in the world flew.
    The most working war plane .. And it was developed almost on an initiative basis for the balances from other projects .. I wonder what kind of machine could work if resources were allocated at least as was done for the development of the MIG-27 or SU-17, not to mention the MIG-29 or SU-27 ... Strange and as I think CRIMINAL underestimation of the really NEED type of equipment for our troops .. Has the attitude to this plane changed now? I doubt it ..
    1. +4
      4 December 2015 17: 53
      Quote: max702
      The most working war plane .. And it was developed almost on an initiative basis for the balances from other projects .. I wonder what kind of machine could work if resources were allocated at least as was done for the development of the MIG-27 or SU-17, not to mention the MIG-29 or SU-27 ...

      It would have turned out a massive MiG-27K. smile

      Su-25s (and even Su-39s) are machines for low-intensity conflicts with a technically inferior adversary ... and exactly as long as the adversary does not have MANPADS in large numbers. After this moment, the meaning of having a specialized attack aircraft disappears: the tactics of attack aircraft no longer differ from those of the IBA or FBA - working from altitudes of 5-6 km with one approach to the target. That's just the PRNA at the IBA / FBA is much better, the range of URO is wider, and there is also a second crew member - the operator.
      1. +1
        4 December 2015 18: 27
        And there is a general infa about the development of a new stormtrooper ANYTHING? And then nothing is clear even with the concept itself - maybe attack aircraft are no longer needed and their functions will be shared by turntables, multipurpose fighters and bombers? Purely interesting opinion.
  20. hly
    +10
    4 December 2015 17: 44
    Here's a tourist ....
  21. +4
    4 December 2015 17: 53
    Hollow! Hollow !! And hollow again !!! am Do not give them time to breathe! And so on until the last dies! There is no other fate for them except to be completely removed from the earth !!! am angry No one will escape retribution! No one will be left without a "gift" am !!!
  22. +4
    4 December 2015 18: 02
    Everything is right! The more we hollow, the sooner we will close the topic. And you can go to Iraq. The border with the Turks must be closed.
  23. +2
    4 December 2015 18: 49
    I looked at an interesting video of the SSA, they beat with terrible force in the residential quarters of the village, hence the question - where are the "defenders" of democracy looking, where are Obama with the goods gone, or are they conferring with Ekaban about how much money the "lads" will release.
  24. UVB
    +1
    4 December 2015 19: 22

    BETAB-500SP - a concrete-attack bomb with a jet accelerator. It is used from any (including small) heights to defeat reinforced concrete shelters (bunkers) and runways. Punches the ceiling thickness to 550 millimeters.
    Isn't that a typo? maybe 5500 mm?
    1. +1
      4 December 2015 20: 53
      No, not a typo !! Here is a brief summary: BetAB-500ShP can break through a ceiling up to 550 mm thick. In a medium-density soil it forms a funnel with a diameter of 4,5 m. When a bomb enters the runway, the concrete coating is destroyed on an area of ​​up to 50 m2.
      1. UVB
        +1
        4 December 2015 23: 23
        Rummaged in Google, in many sources it is indicated that penetration is 550 mm of armor (!) Or 1200 mm of reinforced concrete.
  25. 0
    5 December 2015 00: 37
    Quote: Baikonur
    And this is how my beloved Mat Lee is answered by the "relative" of Jayin Psaki, American KLICHKO! - DECONFLICTIZATION! laughing

    Just SUPER. Convincing each time, Zadornov was right: Well, Americans and those who were:
  26. 0
    5 December 2015 10: 52
    Quote: Baikonur
    And this is how my beloved Mat Lee is answered by the "relative" of Jayin Psaki, American KLICHKO! - DECONFLICTIZATION! laughing

    I suggest Meta Lee informally reward.
  27. 0
    5 December 2015 14: 53
    As always, answers to acute questions are given NOTHING, turn on the hose and rushed did not see, I do not know.
  28. 0
    7 December 2015 12: 01
    in a couple of months, all this will need to be completed unequivocally, and today it is already necessary to decide on the introduction of a peacekeeping contingent (Syrian Armed Forces)
  29. 0
    7 December 2015 13: 49
    My civic position!
  30. kig
    +1
    7 December 2015 15: 05
    The planes worked in groups: one strikes, the other covers it.
    For some reason, I thought that the bombers were hiding behind fighters. It’s good that the general opened my eyes. Or am I not understanding something?
    1. 0
      8 December 2015 10: 39
      A similar question arose. Either the journalist wrote incorrectly, or you don’t even want to think if the major general, adviser to the Federation Council committee said so ...

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