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Turcaine or Ukrtsia

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Turcaine or Ukrtsia



The right of nations to self-determination is one of the fundamental rights enshrined in international law. And, to one degree or another, recognized by all civilized nations of the planet. This does not mean that any people, after desiring state sovereignty, immediately receive what they want. Much depends on the geographical location of the places of its compact residence. And from much more. However, there are generally accepted civilized procedures for solving such problems. And the cultural and administrative autonomy of even small nations is a matter of course.

In this case, stories known to the state-unique. States that deny the rights of nations not only to self-determination, but also to existence. The most striking example of such a state is Nazi Germany. And in the modern world - Ukraine and Turkey.
And if we know everything about Ukraine, which does not recognize the rights of their culture and civilization choice for Russians, then Turkey is something abstract for us. Leather jackets, sandy beaches and "Hey, Natasha." Turks - they are Turks.

Meanwhile, Turkey, before Ukraine, which considers itself “Ponad Uce”, came up with the idea that there is no one around but the Turks. And not the Turks should become Turks or die. So all Armenians died on the territory of Turkey, and this cannot be called anything other than genocide. It is impossible to forget that most of Armenia is annexed by Turkey. And the symbol of the Armenian people, Mount Ararat, painted on the coat of arms and brandy label, in reality, is located on the territory of modern Turkey. And only the employment of big wars and international conflicts for a hundred years has distracted us from the restoration of justice.

The other affected people, and perhaps the most affected, are the Kurds. A nation of tens of millions. The largest people in the world, out of statelessness. Yes, that there, statehood! The people took away his land and the right to be called a people. From the point of view of the Turkish authorities, such a people does not exist!

For decades, the Turkish army has destroyed the Kurdish people. Destroys cities and towns. Aviation strikes Kurdish settlements in other countries. In the destruction of the Kurds, Turkey knows no boundaries, does not recognize their presence. Turkish secret services hunt for Kurds around the world. And the head of Kurdistan, Ocalan, even managed to steal from Moscow. Despite the fact that the State Duma adopted a resolution granting Одcalan political asylum. And it’s even interesting if there are exhibits dedicated to this event in the recently opened Yeltsin Center.

But nothing can last forever. People can not be destroyed. You can only, by destroying the people, destroy their own state. This happens sooner or later. Nazi Germany had enough 13 years. Ukraine went to disaster for a quarter of a century. Turkey stretched a hundred.

Today, when international conflict unfolds on the fragments of the Ottoman Empire, when Superpowers are interested in ensuring stability and optimizing inter-ethnic relations in the region, Turkey, which is accustomed to playing on contradictions and does not recognize the right to be themselves for peoples, will have to change with the region. Probably, we are talking about a cease-fire, the withdrawal of the army, a general amnesty and the granting of autonomy to Kurdistan. All this should be enshrined in the constitutional amendments. Decentralization of government and federalization of the state.

Yes. Ukraine is also concerned.
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  1. The black
    The black 3 December 2015 11: 22 New
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    Ukrainians will never learn to live a normal life. Everything needs a middle ground, a compromise. The country of the 24 of the year is thrown in different directions to the West and then to the East, and now in general has thrown it into a deep railway. Or zrad or paramog. There are no brains at all, they cannot organize life in the country, they don’t learn from their own mistakes. They either jump or cry.
    1. Tor5
      Tor5 3 December 2015 11: 36 New
      -23
      And, unfortunately, we are bogged down in both conflicts. We are losing human lives. At one time, being "across the river," fulfilled "international duty." What our guys are dying for now, the real color of the nation is not very clear. And, if there are many Russians in Ukraine, we defend their honor, dignity and simply the right to a normal life, then in Turkey it seems that only the purely economic interests of several oligarchs.
      By the way, today I looked at one of the chain stores, fruit prices increased by an average of 20% compared with Sunday, and what will happen by the New Year?
      Do not get it wrong, you can even starve for a just cause, but! Turkey? Is this not a repetition of the story with Afghanistan, in a different interpretation?
      PS I write Turkey and Ukraine with a small letter intentionally, and not from illiteracy.
      1. avt
        avt 3 December 2015 11: 51 New
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        Quote: Tor5
        By the way, today I looked at one of the chain stores, fruit prices increased by an average of 20% compared with Sunday, and what will happen by the New Year?

        Firstly, there is no crime that the capitalist will not commit at 300% profit - ,, the market will regulate ponadus " wassat , especially during the holiday season, and under the groans of logistics violated by the sanctions; Secondly, look firstly, as ALWAYS they will raise prices until they stop taking them if you don’t snag them; Well, thirdly, when sanctions are imposed, the EU jumped , ONE check of the Auchan / Atak network was enough, as domestic products and seasonal discounts appeared MIGOM. In Moscow, the price of the same cabbage fell below 10 rubles - I bought it myself, depending on the quality of the potatoes, yesterday I was from 12 with a penny to 20 with pennies. So everything can be adjusted - ,, socialism is control and accounting " laughing
        1. Yeraz
          Yeraz 3 December 2015 13: 38 New
          0
          Quote: avt
          So everything can be completely regulated - ,, socialism is control and accounting "

          not with this system in the country.
          Prices have already jumped. By the New Year, they will still jump. By the way, I recently learned about 1 more deception. Tomatoes grown in Russia are sold under the Azerbaijan brand in order to get more money. And there will be European and Turkish goods. Going tales about import clearance are for amateurs who even they don’t know how the whole system works. We’re just consumers, as a result, we’ll remain in the loser.
          1. avt
            avt 3 December 2015 15: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: Yeraz
            N. Tomatoes grown in Russia are sold under the Azerbaijan brand in order to get more money

            what Rather, this is a question for resellers, and large wholesalers, well, those who, for example, keep the Moscow Ring Road in Moscow in Domodedovo. It’s cheaper to buy up a shahher with reporting and cash, in Russia, and to report on losses with delivery from Azerbaijan, well, that’s offhand.
            Quote: Yeraz
            not with this system in the country.

            Well, in the USSR, too, on New Year’s Eve, everyone was swept away and bought at state prices - you had to run around Moscow, or kits at work, on Leninsky Prospekt, but at the same time on the Cheryomushkinsky market - come and buy, but already, the market will adjust all"
          2. tehnic
            tehnic 3 December 2015 20: 19 New
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            And you eat everything for free, like me. Now I will explain how. I come from work to the cottage and grow all vegetables, fruits. At the same time I sunbathe, bathe, the benefit of the river nearby. From spring to late autumn I eat everything fresh, from the garden, without nitrates, for the winter I make preparations. And I give the surplus to friends and family. But I’m not going to feed such idlers like you.
        2. Mahmut
          Mahmut 3 December 2015 13: 47 New
          +2
          for a just cause, you can even starve, but! Turkey?

          The enemy must be beaten on its territory. It is better to defeat them at the Euphrates than at the Volga. Stalin, too, pulled the rubber, he thought it would resolve itself.
      2. tolian
        tolian 3 December 2015 12: 02 New
        +3
        Tor 5, do you really disagree with the fact that Russia does not give up the Middle East as a region that allows the United States to create with us through the price of oil what they want? Yours ..... And, if there are many Russians in Ukraine, we defend their honor, dignity and just the right to a normal life, then in Turkey it seems that only the purely economic interests of several oligarchs ....... look unconvincing and stronger, the weak-witted.
        1. sir_obs
          sir_obs 3 December 2015 15: 46 New
          +3
          I remember in school goals, in the very far east. Various courtyard groups of gopniks (then they called us scourges) sent in front of me a youngster to hang out.
          He stood out, sensing the support of adults behind him. But it happened that he ran into the same scumbags and remained without teeth, and even could grind.
          Usually the elders did not intervene in such cases, realizing that they had not been run over.
          Tkrtsia just acts in the role of such a youngster.
          Of course, this is not a yard disassembly, everything is much more amusing, but give an ooh to the teeth so that those who stand behind the tkr realize that it’s not worth getting involved for the sake of a youngster.
          1. tehnic
            tehnic 3 December 2015 20: 52 New
            0
            In my youth, on reflection, I realized that there was a better chance of surviving, of beating first. Even if I am alone against several gopniks. Only I chose the most arrogant, similar to their leader. I also brazenly and assertively knocked it out as quickly as possible, and the rest became dumbfounded and weak-willed by such pressure, or scattered, and then I spooled them one by one. Often, such tactics worked, even regardless of numerical superiority. Here in football or hockey, knocked out the leading player and there is no team, and crumble the cabbage. So it is necessary with NATO. And I agree with you one hundred percent and a big plus to you.
      3. BMP-2
        BMP-2 3 December 2015 12: 13 New
        +3
        Turcaine or Ukrtsia
        no
        Judging by the existing trends in their politics and economy, it’s more like Durkina Faso! laughing
      4. avva2012
        avva2012 3 December 2015 12: 15 New
        +7
        Get behind Afghanistan, please. Since the time of perestroika and the magazine "Spark", the howl of liberals and not only has been heard. Like, our guys were dying "across the river" just like that. Think about what is in Afghanistan historically cultivated poppy. And when they tell me about the number of deaths in the DRA, I want to ask, "how many boys have cracked after the withdrawal of troops?" While we were there, heroin did not flow towards us. Raise information certificates on drug addicts and drug deceased for a year in the Russian Federation. Think ...
        What is happening now in the Middle East may end for the country by complete collapse and civil war, if not to intervene. The bill will go to tens of millions. So that you can starve. The country is more expensive.
      5. Spnsr
        Spnsr 3 December 2015 12: 36 New
        +8
        Quote: Tor5
        By the way, today I looked at one of the chain stores, fruit prices increased by an average of 20% compared with Sunday, and what will happen by the New Year?
        Do not get it wrong, you can even starve for a just cause, but! Turkey? Is this not a repetition of the story with Afghanistan, in a different interpretation?
        PS I write Turkey and Ukraine with a small letter intentionally, and not from illiteracy.

        do not buy!
        in general, I would recommend to everyone to boycott the price increase, to live as in the Soviet Union, when there is nothing superfluous, only necessary ...
        and there you look, most of the hucksters will die, and those who more or less understand the essence will begin to set the real price, not the price of a trip to a resort or on vacation to Europe
      6. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 12: 53 New
        +3
        Quote: Tor5
        in Turkey, it seems, only the purely economic interests of several oligarchs.

        For example, what are some and what exactly are their benefits?
        Quote: Tor5
        By the way, today I looked at one of the chain stores, fruit prices increased by an average of 20% compared with Sunday, and what will happen by the New Year?

        For a week or compared to summer?
        Quote: Tor5
        , for a just cause, you can even starve, but!

        Are you already starving?
      7. tehnic
        tehnic 3 December 2015 19: 54 New
        0
        You were not in Afghanistan! You do not care about people's lives. And how and with what to fill your belly and cheaper. You can immediately see that your brains work differently, and the spirit is not the same.
      8. Bochik
        Bochik 4 December 2015 01: 01 New
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        Quote: Tor5

        Turkey? Is this not a repetition of the story with Afghanistan, in a different interpretation?

        Just do not need to compare Afghanistan with Turkey. In modern history, Afghanistan failed to conquer any state. Russia in thirteen wars twelve times crawled Turkey on the asphalt face. And there are absolutely no prerequisites for changing traditions.
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    3. Baikonur
      Baikonur 3 December 2015 11: 37 New
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      Quote: Black
      in different directions throws it to the West then to the East

      Never threw URKAin to the East!
      Always, mouth agape, with a leak of saliva, they hoped and are hoping that the West will "sip them".
      Is always! They put on (always!) A lame, sick, but puffing with "royal", "general" ambitions "this western" horse, since ancient times. Betraying, meanly, Russia! AND
      Always lose! And that’s exactly what infuriates them! Understand that we see their meanness!
      So they want to erase this "well-deserved" SHAME! Or that the West erased, helped erase!
      1. cniza
        cniza 3 December 2015 11: 51 New
        +9
        Quote: Baikonur
        Betraying, meanly, Russia! AND
        Always lose! And that’s exactly what infuriates them! Understand that we see their meanness!


        The history of Ukraine is the history of betrayals, and the history of Turkey is the conduct of wars to destroy the unwanted peoples.
    4. Vend
      Vend 3 December 2015 11: 37 New
      +3
      Quote: Black
      Ukrainians will never learn to live a normal life. Everything needs a middle ground, a compromise. The country of the 24 of the year is thrown in different directions to the West and then to the East, and now in general has thrown it into a deep railway. Or zrad or paramog. There are no brains at all, they cannot organize life in the country, they don’t learn from their own mistakes. They either jump or cry.

      I completely agree. If the country is multinational, but now there are no other countries. You need to learn to live together, respecting each other. This is exactly what the world needs to learn from Russia.
    5. sever.56
      sever.56 3 December 2015 11: 40 New
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      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/943/zety538.png
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 3 December 2015 11: 44 New
        +6
        The text of the article is full of emotions, I would say frantic propaganda .. retold what everyone already knew and read a hundred times in different interpretations and all in order to write such a silly headline. The article is not pertinent to VO not in essence, but in content - Buttered butter ...


        Minus minors are waiting for support from you!
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 3 December 2015 11: 57 New
          0
          when the international conflict takes place on the fragments of the Ottoman Empire, when the Superpowers became interested in ensuring stability and optimizing interethnic relations in the region, Turkey, accustomed to playing on contradictions and not recognizing the right of people to be themselves, will have to change with the region. Probably, this is a ceasefire, withdrawal of the army, general amnesty and granting autonomy to Kurdistan. All this should be fixed by amendments to the Constitution. Decentralization of management and federalization of the state.
          Yes. Ukraine is also concerned.

          I would have such optimism, some kind of naivety. fellow
    6. Samaritan
      Samaritan 3 December 2015 11: 43 New
      +2
      On December 1, a large landing ship of the Black Sea fleet “Saratov” left Novorossiysk for military service in the Mediterranean Sea. The next day, the BDK passed the Bosphorus and went into the Sea of ​​Marmara, and in the morning of December 3 it should pass the Dardanelles and go to the Aegean Sea.
      Late in the evening of December 2, the passage of the Black Sea Straits was completed by the large landing ship of the Black Sea Fleet "Yamal", returning from the next voyage to Syria
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 3 December 2015 11: 53 New
        +2
        And for November:

        And for reference, the chronology of the passage of the Black Sea Straits by the ships of the Russian Navy in 2015, November:
        04.11.15/50/XNUMX "Vologda-XNUMX" and "Caesar Kunikov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        05.11.15 "Yamal" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        06.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Azov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        08.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Nikolai Filchenkov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        09.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Korolev" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        13.11.15 "Saratov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        13.11.15/60/XNUMX "Kyzyl-XNUMX" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        15.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Caesar Kunikov" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        15.11.15 "Yamal" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        18.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Korolev" and "Nikolai Filchenkov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        19.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Yauza" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        20.11.15/158/XNUMX "KIL-XNUMX" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        21.11.15 “Dvinitsa-50” - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        21.11.15 "Saratov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        23.11.15 "Yamal" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        25.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Caesar Kunikov" - from the Mediterranean Sea.
        27.11.15/50/XNUMX "Vologda-XNUMX" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        28.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Korolev" - to the Mediterranean Sea.
        30.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX "Yauza" - from the Mediterranean Sea
    7. _Lexa_
      _Lexa_ 3 December 2015 11: 44 New
      -3
      I can’t imagine what would happen if our country were run by a director for the production of buns!
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 3 December 2015 11: 46 New
        +2
        Quote: _Lexa_
        I can’t imagine what would happen if our country were run by a director for the production of buns!

        ... or candy lol
        1. cap
          cap 3 December 2015 12: 17 New
          +1
          ... director of a furniture store.
          I got to the acting.MO-I did not manage, which is indicative. laughing
      2. ARES623
        ARES623 3 December 2015 12: 31 New
        +4
        Quote: _Lexa_
        I can’t imagine what would happen if our country were run by a director for the production of buns!

        Today, our country is ruled by a schoolmate of Nalivaychenko and Kalugin, and the Moscow Region is led by a civil engineer. It seems to me not in the profession, but in the person’s views on life and its place in this life.
      3. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 3 December 2015 12: 34 New
        +7
        Quote: _Lexa_
        I can’t imagine what would happen if our country were run by a director for the production of buns!

        Strange you reason. Do you think presidents are born, or is there a university to train presidents of the country?
        Stalin never worked, he was a seminarian, then an expropriator (he robbed the rich in favor of the Bolsheviks), and in a short time he built a powerful state.
        Who was Putin before the presidency? He studied at the Faculty of Law of Leningrad State University and in distribution sent to the KGB. Then study at six-month retraining courses at the KGB Higher School and study at the one-year faculty of the Red Banner. Yu. V. Andropov Institute of the KGB of the USSR. After that, he worked as a scout in the GDR.
        I must say rightly that he did not study for the president. Quite the contrary - to the liquidator of the presidents (if necessary).
        What do you for example do not like a cook. Maybe she is also a resident of Soviet intelligence. So it’s good for president.
        In short, any person who has certain abilities and easily moves up the political ladder is constantly being trained to manage society at every level of development, and he can become president of the country. And someone gets to the presidency and is already learning to rule the country on the go.
        And no one should be embarrassed by what he did and does during the presidency. Putin, for example, receives oil profits from Rosneft through his authorized representatives. But Medvedev makes profit in Gazprom, again through authorized representatives.
        How is gas or oil better than other goods to govern the country?

        By the way, Belarus is managed by the former chairman of the collective farm and not bad at it. They live better than in Russia.
      4. Executer
        Executer 3 December 2015 13: 46 New
        +1
        Or a military stool dealer ...
    8. Sharikov
      3 December 2015 12: 48 New
      0
      First of all, Ukrainians must understand the place and role of their country in the world. In the meantime, their dreams enter into a hard junction with reality, which leads to grave consequences. They should understand that Ukraine has two ways of interacting with Russia - Belarusian and Finnish. The remaining paths lead to death. They must realize that Ukraine will never become not only France, Singapore and Switzerland, but also Poland. The level of Ukraine (and this is not an insult, but objective and subjective circumstances) is what is next to Bulgaria and Romania.
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 3 December 2015 11: 25 New
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    To predict that Turkey will soon fall apart is a thankless task. Although Ukraine is called the state of 404, it has not yet broken up. The process can be long and painful. Yugoslavia, for example.
  3. venaya
    venaya 3 December 2015 11: 25 New
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    The Ottomans are one of the most militant ethnic groups in all known history. Recall that the Ottoman Empire extended all the way to present-day Spain, naturally occupying the entire northern coast of Africa. I think that at the moment it makes sense to at least recall the injustice that is happening around both Kurds and Armenians.
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    3. Aleksey_K
      Aleksey_K 3 December 2015 12: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      The Ottomans are one of the most militant ethnic groups in all known history. Recall that the Ottoman Empire extended all the way to present-day Spain, naturally occupying the entire northern coast of Africa.

      That is, in your opinion, the Roman Empire of the Ottoman Empire was not suited for the purpose? So the Roman Empire was 2 times larger than the Ottoman Empire. And what conquests took place in the form of parades, combatant step? Yes, also - the destruction of the unwanted, bloodshed and robbery of the conquered. Any war is cruelty and lawlessness. The Romans far surpassed the Turks.
      If you do not believe, look at the maps of the Roman and Ottoman empires.
      1. venaya
        venaya 3 December 2015 13: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Алексей_К
        The Roman Empire of the Ottoman Empire did not fit into the rubble?

        You understand, there is nothing left of the ancient Roman Empire, the Latins led by the Etruscans (Caius Julius Caesar of Etruscan origin, his last name is consonant with the Trojan goddess) disappeared completely. The fact that what is left there now does not at all represent any military value; they lost all the recent wars with a bang. But the Ottomans are still preserved and are being maimed in full. Such genetics, or a feature, and memory, all the same, the Ottoman Empire was destroyed after the 1-th World, still remember their origins.
        1. Aleksey_K
          Aleksey_K 3 December 2015 16: 59 New
          0
          Quote: venaya
          You understand, there is nothing left of the ancient Roman Empire, the Latins led by the Etruscans (Caius Julius Caesar of Etruscan origin, his last name is consonant with the Trojan goddess) disappeared completely. The fact that what is left there now does not at all represent any military value; they lost all the recent wars with a bang. But the Ottomans are still preserved and are being maimed in full. Such genetics, or a feature, and memory, all the same, the Ottoman Empire was destroyed after the 1-th World, still remember their origins.

          But I didn’t argue about this with you. You wrote that the Ottomans are one of the most militant ethnic groups in all known history. What does it have to do with who remained as an ethnic group or did not stay. And it’s not the ethnic group, but the military training schools and the leadership of the countries, which strives for world domination. The closest example is Hitler. It was the bloodiest war of all time, the most brutal, the most hateful, by the way fed by American Jews (Roosevelt is a thoroughbred Jew). And Truman, who dropped 2 atomic bombs on Japan, is also a purebred Jew.
          So it’s not the ethnic group, but the leaders of countries striving for domination and military capabilities.
    4. KBR109
      KBR109 3 December 2015 12: 57 New
      +1
      I do not agree. Islam is a young aggressive religion. Christianity went through this stage in the Middle Ages. Numerous Crusades and witch hunts of the Inquisition are proof of this. Imperial thinking, however, is moreover. And then we interpret it ambivalently - it is good with us, and bad with them.
  4. sever.56
    sever.56 3 December 2015 11: 26 New
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    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/362/kklm807.png

    Many nations can bill Turkey for genocide
    Turks at different times. This is only official data, and the true amount
    brutally murdered people much more.
    1. a52333
      a52333 3 December 2015 11: 47 New
      +4
      Quote: sever.56
      Many nations may present genocide bill to Turkey

      I don’t see the Russian flag there. And we can also bring a Molokan for the genocide!
  5. Genur
    Genur 3 December 2015 11: 28 New
    -1
    And in Belarus there is a village TURKOVSHCHINA.
  6. prabiz
    prabiz 3 December 2015 11: 28 New
    +1
    It is correctly said "Ukraine and Turkey are unique states" negative
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  8. ohtsistem
    ohtsistem 3 December 2015 11: 29 New
    0
    An idealist author would use his lips and honey to drink
    will have to change with the region. Probably, this is a ceasefire, withdrawal of the army, general amnesty and granting autonomy to Kurdistan. All this should be fixed by amendments to the Constitution. Decentralization of management and federalization of the state.
    Yes. Ukraine is also concerned.

    The Ottomans are one of the most militant ethnic groups in all known history. Recall that the Ottoman Empire extended all the way to present-day Spain, naturally occupying the entire northern coast of Africa. I think that at the moment it makes sense to at least recall the injustice that is happening around both Kurds and Armenians.

    Totally agree with you good
  9. ydjin
    ydjin 3 December 2015 11: 30 New
    0
    It's time to throw Turkey in its current form into the furnace of history! Instead of resolving national contradictions, the current leadership only deepens them. Oh, the Ottomans have played!
  10. rotor
    rotor 3 December 2015 11: 32 New
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    Durkain, the conquering mind.

    1. Bvg132
      Bvg132 3 December 2015 11: 58 New
      +2
      And what, even looks very good chocolate on a black background
      1. cap
        cap 3 December 2015 12: 21 New
        +1
        Chocolate lard laughing
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 11: 32 New
    +2
    a striking example of such a state is Nazi Germany. And in the modern world - Ukraine and Turkey

    The author was modest. In the modern Western world, there will be several more countries that will come out of their skin but will not allow self-determination of a single ethnic group (nation) living compactly in these countries. And others (the United States and their allies), on the contrary, at will, in a foreign country will create an artificial entity (Kosovo). Therefore, the right of a nation to self-determination has not long been fundamental.
  12. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 3 December 2015 11: 33 New
    +2
    TURKAIN or UKRTIA

    Hmm ... what If I understand correctly .... This is something like

    Rahat Ukraine ... Turkey Fat?
    1. Bvg132
      Bvg132 3 December 2015 12: 00 New
      0
      Are you kidding me? Muslims offer fat
  13. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 December 2015 11: 33 New
    +1
    Churkaina! Peoples who mess around for a long time do not live! And a country like Turkey can be destroyed in one day and forget about 12 wars. The people are sorry, as always. After all, there is a good one among demons. And NATO ... if rags fly away and everyone sees our fury, then no one will put the world on the edge of the abyss for the sake of the Turks. And chat now that everything can be done for everyone as much as you like. Another thing is that nobody wants to get to this.
    1. An64
      An64 3 December 2015 11: 43 New
      +4
      Quote: dchegrinec
      And a country like Turkey can be destroyed in one day

      In one day you can destroy the whole world ... Just do not want such a disaster.
  14. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 3 December 2015 11: 34 New
    +5
    availability. Turkish secret services hunt for Kurds around the world. And the head of Kurdistan, Ocalan, even managed to steal from Moscow. Despite the fact that the State Duma adopted a resolution granting Одcalan political asylum. And it’s even interesting if there are exhibits dedicated to this event in the recently opened Yeltsin Center.
    To go nuts, but I didn’t know, if it’s true, then what a disgrace, that’s a shout of cry annealed, and with this center it’s really tough, why, what is it for, some kind of crap. Putin sometimes will alienate him like that, at least stand still, even cry.
  15. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 3 December 2015 11: 36 New
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    You can only, destroying the people, destroy your own state
    "No matter how much the rope does not curl, it will still be the end"
  16. Sorokin
    Sorokin 3 December 2015 11: 37 New
    +5
    As for Ukraine, I will say only one thing. not educated for 20 years can not form any public entity. And the fact that I'm sorry I personally was convinced by the example of my relatives. The uneducated Russophobian brought up.
  17. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 3 December 2015 11: 39 New
    +1
    How nice that the previously expressed thoughts, someone polishes and gives them a finished look!)))
  18. kuz363
    kuz363 3 December 2015 11: 42 New
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    Half the truth. In addition to the right to self-determination, there is also the right to the territorial integrity of the state. And both of these rights are fixed in the UN. This is the landmine in international relations.
    1. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 3 December 2015 12: 00 New
      +1
      Quote: kuz363
      Half the truth. In addition to the right to self-determination, there is also the right to the territorial integrity of the state. And both of these rights are fixed in the UN. This is the landmine in international relations.

      Probably .. Territorial integrity .. this is from external threats, and the right to self-determination of the people is an internal matter .. how these and the consequences rule ...
  19. Bakht
    Bakht 3 December 2015 11: 42 New
    +6
    Ocalan was not abducted in Moscow, but in Kenya. But is this important to the author?
  20. DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 3 December 2015 11: 43 New
    +7
    Turks are a strange people. Verno. But Russians are even weirder, Turkey was a friend at most 2 months ago)))) is it too lazy to read a history book? although they are in NATO, but no one respects them and does not trust them! For example, the British speak openly, for gallipoli they are our enemies for life! and it’s strange for you, the Turks wanted to destroy the Russians all their conscious life, and you gave them a pipe and a nuclear power station. as soon as the accident happened to the pilots, they immediately changed their minds. I think a strong nation is always openly afraid not to tell who your friend is and who is the enemy ! and then they signed a contract through the pipe, and the Turks began to set their own prices. Well, do you think they would set their own terms, for example to the Germans, I generally keep quiet about the Americans. Sorry if the truth is not the same as you used to.
  21. Dazzl
    Dazzl 3 December 2015 11: 45 New
    +1
    From this diagram it is clearly seen that the insulating tape for isolating Russia from the "civilized" countries is over. So! And where is the president of the most democratic country in the world ?! Oh yes - they didn’t call, most likely, empties the minibar in their room.
  22. Dazzl
    Dazzl 3 December 2015 11: 47 New
    +6
    Oh yes there it is and it crawled out
  23. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 3 December 2015 11: 48 New
    +1
    Hermits gather together ...
    1. A.Lex
      A.Lex 3 December 2015 12: 01 New
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      Not hermits, but hermits.
  24. Valentine
    Valentine 3 December 2015 12: 02 New
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    The people are everywhere people, but it depends on the leader, and the herd depends on the shepherd, which, in
    in principle, the same thing as in Ukraine, that in Turkey, that in Russia. But if the leader of the state builds his policy on lies, meanness and provocations, in relation to his neighbors along the border, and the people obey him implicitly, then he refers to the second group of individuals I have listed above, as if it were not called urkain, durkain, usrain, etc.
    it will not matter, sooner or later, but in our memory this betrayal will remain forever.
  25. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 3 December 2015 12: 06 New
    +6
    Turkaina or Ukrtsiya?
    But whoever understands them - one field of berries.
  26. vladimirw
    vladimirw 3 December 2015 12: 08 New
    +2
    And it’s even interesting if there are exhibits dedicated to this event in the recently opened Yeltsin Center.
    A bottle of vodka or something? Or a price tag, how much did they pay for selling an ally to the still modern Comrade Stalin?
  27. pts-m
    pts-m 3 December 2015 12: 13 New
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    in recent times, the Turks “walked” through the territory of the current urine, and the descendants then remained. So they are blood relatives.
  28. Bvg132
    Bvg132 3 December 2015 12: 16 New
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    So have fun. And someone will get to clean the vomit in the cabin, then the shirt is washed. Alcohol is evil, so it destroys it constantly
  29. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 3 December 2015 12: 51 New
    +1
    During the Ottoman Empire, Turks recognized all peoples and religions living on their territory. When this (recognition) was gone, the empire fell apart.
    The impression is that the decay is still ongoing.
  30. Basarev
    Basarev 3 December 2015 15: 09 New
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    I truly tell you: the process of creating just borders cannot be stopped. Therefore, neither Turkey, nor its Western friends, nor even ISIS will be able to exterminate all the Kurds. Great Kurdistan will be created within the maximum declared boundaries. As well as great Israel, simply because he is objectively the strongest player in the Middle East and his army cannot stop any of the Middle East countries.