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GFI: Russian Armed Forces Surpass Turkish Army in All Indicators

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After the deterioration of relations between the Russian Federation and Turkey, many media and social networks started a discussion about a possible armed conflict, despite the fact that the leadership of both countries ruled out the possibility of the situation developing according to such a scenario. RIA News proposed to compare the military capabilities of the one and the other side, based on the Global Index of Military Power - 2015 (Global Firepower Index, GFI) updated in November.




The site indicates that the rating takes into account the following indicators: "army strength, ground systems, air force, navy, production and resource consumption in the country, the country's transport infrastructure, financial resources, and geographical features."

Nuclear potential is not taken into account.

Russia in this ranking is on the 2-th place after the United States. Turkey - on 10 after Japan. Places from 3 to 8 were occupied by China, India, Britain, France, the Republic of Korea and Germany, respectively.

“With a total population of 142,47 million, Russia can mobilize more than 69 million in the event of a potential military conflict. Every year the age of military service reaches 1,35 million. At present, more than 766 thousand people are involved in military service, and almost 2,5 million are in reserve, ”the rating agency reports.

Turkey, with a population of 81,61 million, “can mobilize 41,6 million; annually 1,37 million people become liable for military service; 410,5 currently employs thousands of people in Turkey, and there are thousands of 185,63 in service. ”

According to information, “15398 are in service in Russia tanks "(3778 from Turkey), 31298 armored personnel carriers (7550 - Turkey), 5972 self-propelled guns (versus 1013), 3793 multiple launch rocket systems (versus 811)."

It is also reported that "Russia more than 3 times surpasses Turkey in the number of units of the Air Force - 3429 versus 1020, as well as the Navy - Russia currently has 352 units, and Turkey only 115."

In addition, the Russian Federation produces much more oil than it consumes, while Turkey has to buy it to meet its domestic energy needs.

As for the military budget, in Russia it is $ 60,4 billion, in Turkey - $ 18,15 billion.

Russia's gold and currency reserves are $ 515,6 billion, while Turkey’s is $ 117,6 billion.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 2 December 2015 15: 38 New
    45
    And the Russian Turks were beaten always and everywhere! The Turks were beaten near Chigirin, Azov, Khotin, Iasi, Ochakov and so on.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 2 December 2015 15: 44 New
      16
      Quote: avvg
      Russians and Turks always beat.

      Fighting spirit and perseverance do not take into account! In this, the Russian army was always strong .. But our weapons are still modern, although so far not enough!
      1. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 2 December 2015 15: 49 New
        +1
        Erdoganchik fox
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 15: 54 New
          43
          Russia in this ranking is on the 2-th place after the United States. Turkey - on 10 after Japan. Places from 3 to 8 were occupied by China, India, Britain, France, the Republic of Korea and Germany, respectively.
          Immediately the question is, where is the strongest European army in Ukraine? lol
          “With a total population of 142,47 million people, Russia can mobilize more than 69 million people
          As I understand it, the entire male population from 15 to 65 years old was shoved here.
          It is also reported that "Russia more than 3 times surpasses Turkey in the number of units of the Air Force - 3429 versus 1020, as well as the Navy - Russia currently has 352 units, and Turkey only 115."
          Okay, Wikipedia. The value of this material is zero.
          1. Denis Obukhov
            Denis Obukhov 2 December 2015 16: 09 New
            18
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Russia in this ranking is on the 2-th place after the United States. Turkey - on 10 after Japan. Places from 3 to 8 were occupied by China, India, Britain, France, the Republic of Korea and Germany, respectively.
            Immediately the question is, where is the strongest European army in Ukraine? lol
            “With a total population of 142,47 million people, Russia can mobilize more than 69 million people
            As I understand it, the entire male population from 15 to 65 years old was shoved here.
            It is also reported that "Russia more than 3 times surpasses Turkey in the number of units of the Air Force - 3429 versus 1020, as well as the Navy - Russia currently has 352 units, and Turkey only 115."
            Okay, Wikipedia. The value of this material is zero.



            In my opinion, it is not correct to compare the number of tanks and airplanes due to different areas of territory, Russia has troops scattered throughout the territory, and Turkey may and would like to have another 222 tank - yes there is no place ....
            1. _Vladislav_
              _Vladislav_ 2 December 2015 16: 30 New
              21
              at the updated Global Military Power Index 2015 (Global Firepower Index, GFI) in November.

              Well, to begin with, all these statistics are very arbitrary. Excellence in numbers, does not give superiority on the battlefield. As I understand it, the Global Firepower Index considers Russia in the context of the attacking side, and in terms of statistics they say - yes, attack nothing so terrible.
              well, for example
              Russia is more than 3 times superior to Turkey in the number of Air Force units - 3429 versus 1020, as well as the Navy - Russia currently has 352 units, and Turkey - only 115

              Suppose that the Russian Air Force has 3500 units, but this does not mean that all of them will rush to the borders of Turkey in case of war. About a quarter are involved. So at best there will be parity.

              The Russian Navy, even if it’s 352 units, but they are on 4 fleets in different parts of the world. And Turkey has everything in one place, all 115 units.

              15398 tanks are in service in Russia (3778 - in Turkey)

              I consider it incorrect to refer to this.
              Again, in case of war, about a third will be involved in the best case (out of 15000). And if we assume that all 5000 tanks are destroyed, the sending of additional forces will already be inexpedient. This is a defeat. Plus, these 5000 tanks you still need to deliver to Turkey.

              PS
              It is clear that no one can demolish Russia at home. But Turkey is such a regional power victory over which is achievable only with the use of WMD. So all these statistics are flushed into the toilet, on the tactics.
              1. Sober
                Sober 2 December 2015 17: 11 New
                +1
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                statistics flushed into the toilet

                I agree . Statistics are not impressive (not by numbers, but by approach). And the rating of our armed forces is high!
              2. Andrey77
                Andrey77 2 December 2015 17: 59 New
                +1
                I agree. It is necessary to consider units on the theater of operations, and not as a whole.
              3. ANTI.KORR.
                ANTI.KORR. 2 December 2015 22: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: _Vladislav_
                Well, to begin with, all these statistics are very arbitrary.

                Absolutely true!
                And here is what we have on the proposed theater.
                Surface ships.
                Now we are losing in the surface ship segment. Especially if you take the total displacement as a criterion. The flagship - the missile cruiser "Moscow" and the large anti-submarine ship "Kerch", in the amount of 20 thousand tons. The Turks have no cruiser class ships. Their largest ships are frigates. But there are 16 of them, their total displacement exceeds 50 thousand tons. The most advanced of them are ships of the Meco 200 type, built in Australia. True, the Black Sea Fleet also has large ships that perform other combat missions - large landing ships. There are seven of them. They deliver the necessary goods to Syria.

                The Turkish Navy has 8 corvettes with a displacement of less than 2 thousand tons. The Black Sea Fleet and in this class of ships had a significant lag - in 2014 we had only three patrol ships of the far sea zone. Until the end of this year, 2 more ships will be put into operation, in the first half of next year - another one.
                [b] Submarine fleet [/ b]
                The main striking power of the Turkish fleet is represented by diesel submarines in the amount of fourteen pieces. And in this segment the Black Sea Fleet just recently had, one might say, a disaster. Until 2014, we could only answer with three boats. One of them relates to the project 641, which proved to be excellent during the Caribbean crisis.

                But in 2 years 4 more boats of the project 636.3 were added to these three old-timers, two more at the close approach. And here we have made not so much a quantitative as a qualitative leap. Particularly noteworthy is the Varshavyanka submarine, it was modernized according to project 636.6, and it acquired additional qualities, becoming the carrier of Caliber cruise missiles. Also noticeably improved parameters such as low noise, power plant, cruising range, underwater speed.
                TTX of the boats "Varshavyanka" 636.3 and Gur

                Length, m: 73,8 - 62

                Width, m: 9,9 - 6,2

                Surface displacement, t: 2350 - 1450

                Underwater displacement, t: 3950 - 1586

                Working depth, m: 240 - 250

                Maximum immersion depth, m: 300 - 400

                Autonomy, day: 45 -

                Underwater speed, knots: 20 - 21

                Range, miles: 400 - 400

                Cruising range in diesel mode under water, miles: 7500 - n / d

                Crew: 52 - 38

                Missile weapons: RCC "Caliber" - RCC "Harpoon"

                [b] Aviation [b]
                And here the Black Sea Fleet already has a significant advantage. Turkey has seven turboprop patrol aircraft. The rest of the air fleet is helicopters. There are 26: 22 anti-submarine and 4 search and rescue. All these are American helicopters manufactured under license in Italy. Half of them belong to the generation of aircraft that took part in the Vietnam War.
                Naval aviation of the Black Sea Fleet is based on two airfields - Kachinsky and Guards. It has 38 aircraft and 44 helicopters. In addition to traditional anti-submarine, patrol, reconnaissance and rescue vehicles traditional for naval aviation, there are a significant number of attack aircraft - Su-24 front-line bombers. After the annexation of Crimea to Russia, the air group was accelerated by modern multitasking Su-30SM fighters. The issue of entering the Black Sea Fleet of long-range Tu-22M3 bombers is also being considered.

                Most of the helicopters, 33, are anti-submarine Ka-27PL.
                More details here: http: //svpressa.ru/war21/article/137209/? From = sm24
            2. Antitolerast
              Antitolerast 2 December 2015 16: 55 New
              +1
              Of course, not everything is so simple ... There are too many factors. The Turks have weak air defense, we can’t talk about cruise missiles in their arsenal, there is no space reconnaissance, etc. etc. The most important thing is that they themselves do not produce F-16s and many other weapons (with heavy losses of equipment there is nothing to replenish, there’s definitely not enough money to buy)
              1. _Vladislav_
                _Vladislav_ 2 December 2015 17: 05 New
                +2
                Quote: Antitolerast
                Of course, not everything is so simple ... There are too many factors. The Turks have weak air defense, we can’t talk about cruise missiles in their arsenal, there is no space reconnaissance, etc. etc. The most important thing is that they themselves do not produce F-16s and many other weapons (with heavy losses of equipment there is nothing to replenish, there’s definitely not enough money to buy)

                It is incorrect to measure pipiska with a country that is obviously weaker. Russia is the 2nd strongest army in the world.
                But regionally, Turkey is a very powerful state. Turkey, compared with the Russian Federation, is not quite so big a state. And in its small territory there is a large concentration of the armed forces.

                To concentrate a similar number of aircraft in the same territory, this is a fatal amount of forces and means. This is not advisable.

                P.E. the only way to achieve success in the war with Turkey (without large losses) is nuclear weapons.
                1. Sterlya
                  Sterlya 2 December 2015 17: 20 New
                  -1
                  Quote: _Vladislav_
                  P.E. the only way to achieve success in the war with Turkey (without large losses) is nuclear weapons.

                  And how else to deal with these chocks in a different way?
                  Maybe Erdogan thinks we’ll go to the bayonet. But we don’t need it. Too much honor for chocks.
                  1. brisk
                    brisk 2 December 2015 19: 28 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Sterlya
                    And how else to deal with these chocks in a different way?
                    Maybe Erdogan thinks we’ll go to the bayonet. But we don’t need it. Too much honor for chocks.


                    Will it be much more difficult to justify the use of nuclear weapons of the country of the Nuclear Club against a non-nuclear power before the whole world than the use of conventional weapons? Or not really? What do you think? Did “mattresses” use nuclear weapons after 1945? In 1951 they could do this easily. It’s easy. And it seems like the kindness of "mattress" has never been and never is. Is not it? And in 1991, Iraq had, if not the 4th, then the 8th army in the world, for sure. And chemical weapons were in considerable quantities. And the "mattresses" did not go for tactical nuclear weapons. For they would be guilty before the rest of the world after such a step. Before the world without exception. Even in front of Small Britain.
                2. tehnic
                  tehnic 2 December 2015 18: 42 New
                  0
                  I completely agree! But nuclear weapons are an emergency. There are similar mashnosti, but cheaper and less time-consuming in the production of vacuum warheads. And there are other surprises. And to lay down tens of millions of lives, no, not in the Middle Ages we live. For this, military science and the military industry were created. Almost 30 million people lost a good lesson in the Second World War, and who else believed how many died after the war from illnesses and injuries. Iron must fight, in order to create it and still do it. And let other enemies look, maybe they will understand something. And Vlad is a big plus for you. First met a sound understanding of modern warfare. And then they usually talk about modern warfare, like wars of past centuries.
                  1. S_last
                    S_last 2 December 2015 21: 05 New
                    0
                    Vacuum warhead, nothing more than a popular name. An ordinary flamethrower "bumblebee" with a RPO-A charge is your vacuum warhead wassat though the military call it thermobaric. Prior to the analogy with nuclear weapons in terms of power, they are very far from the most powerful bomb with a capacity of 44 tons. and the Yars warhead is 150-300kt (150000-300000) tons i.e. By the way, a "vacuum" bomb weighs under 8 tons wink
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 2 December 2015 21: 39 New
                      0
                      We have an even more powerful volumetric explosion bomb than ODAB 7000, this new bomb has an explosion power of 400 tons of TNT.
              2. opus
                opus 2 December 2015 19: 30 New
                0
                Quote: Antitolerast
                Most importantly, they do not produce the F-16 and many other weapons themselves


                ?

                In Turkey are produced:
                Canadair nf-5a
                Canadair nf-5b
                Tusas F-16C
                Tusas F-16D
                Tusas CN-235M
                And not only to myself, but also to Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt
                F-16s are not only produced, but also modernized (Block 50+, there are only a few of them in the USA) and modernized: CASA / IPTN CN-235 and Eurocopter AS 532, B737-700.
                for the Airbus A400M Atlas, parts are manufactured and participated in the development.
                The same with the TAI / AgustaWestland T129, Airbus 319/320/321, Boeing 737, Eurocopter EC135 MD 902, MD Helicopters, Sikorsky S-70 A and MH-60, Sikorsky S-76, AB139 fuselage for Agusta. In addition, TAI produces nose gear and doors for the Boeing 747, keels for 777 and parts for 737/767/777. TAI also produces seven components for the Eurocopter AS 532.
                UAVs themselves also produce


                TUSAS - Turk Havacilik ve Uzay Sanayii AS / Turkish Aerospace ...
              3. Vladimir 1964
                Vladimir 1964 2 December 2015 20: 04 New
                +1
                Quote: Antitolerast
                Most importantly, they do not produce the F-16 and many other weapons themselves (

                So, for information, colleague, Turkey is the only country producing F-16s in a full cycle, it is clear that without engines, also Turkey has a full cycle of production of armored vehicles, it is clear without a gun part. You, colleague, when you write something, at least look at the previous materials, a week ago, or you look very funny.
            3. Civil
              Civil 2 December 2015 17: 21 New
              +1
              Actually, Turkey is in NATO, it’s good to fly in the clouds, and it is necessary to compare with it.
              1. tehnic
                tehnic 2 December 2015 19: 04 New
                0
                And with Napoleon, and with Hitler, and with Charles 12, also all of Europe went to us and worked for our enemies. Also NATO. So, this is not the first time for us. And allies are an extra headache. Freeloaders and parasites, feed them arming, create a beautiful life for them, and a little danger will run away, or even worse sold. As V.I. said Chapaev, - a mental attack, come on mental. NATO - bring here the whole NAT. After the first good blow between the legs, half of the allies will scatter.
            4. KaPToC
              KaPToC 2 December 2015 18: 27 New
              0
              Namely, the territories, Russia can bombard ALL Turkey with cruise missiles from its territory, Turkey can maximum - bomb the coastal territories of the Black Sea.
              1. Andrey77
                Andrey77 2 December 2015 18: 32 New
                0
                Turkey has no long-range aviation and satellites. =)
                1. opus
                  opus 2 December 2015 21: 17 New
                  0
                  Quote: Andrey77
                  Turkey has no long-range aviation and satellites. =)

                  there are satellites (and not one)

                  Türksat 4A, Turksat 2A and Turksat 3A




                  February 15, 2014 from the Baikonur Cosmodrome launched into orbit LV Proton-M with the Briz-M upper stage from the launch site 81


                  Turksat 4B in my opinion with the Shuttle launched

          2. GRAY
            GRAY 2 December 2015 16: 30 New
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Okay, Wikipedia. The value of this material is zero.

            They generally lied with tanks, the Turks didn’t have so much time.
            What is:
            1) Leo-2A4. Released in the distant 1985-87. About 340 pieces, of varying degrees of preservation and death.
            2) Leopard-1. As you might guess, this is an even more ancient exhibit, judging by the numbering. Originally from the distant sixties, but the Turks have a slightly more recent version ... from 1973. Quantity: 400 pieces.
            3) M60T "Saibra" With this a little more complicated. Quantity: 170 pieces
            Deep modernization of the American tank of the 1959 model by the hands of Israeli crazy people. Known for the astronomical size of cuts in this process.
            All.
            And in the article as many as 3778 pcs. !!!
            The remaining tanks are probably like this:
            1. Forest
              Forest 2 December 2015 17: 29 New
              +1
              The Turks have more than 2 thousand M-48 and M-47. Yes, in fact, this does not reach the armament and reservation of some BMPs, but they are considered. So in the army we have pure 2300 cars, the rest are in reserve.
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 2 December 2015 19: 22 New
                0
                Quote: Forest
                The Turks have more than 2 thousand M-48 and M-47.

                I have listed combat-ready. Ukraine also has tanks, according to papers, to hell. It’s just that they are stored in the form of cases placed on top of each other, the Turks probably have the same picture - this junk could be exploited only due to cannibalism. I can imagine how much has been unscrewed there over the past decades.
                1. Forest
                  Forest 2 December 2015 20: 05 New
                  +1
                  We also have a lot of tanks in disrepair on BHVT standing. In the 90, the T-34 was still listed as tanks.
                  1. GRAY
                    GRAY 2 December 2015 20: 21 New
                    0
                    Quote: Forest
                    We also have a lot of tanks in disrepair on BHVT standing.

                    They are not dismantled for spare parts - there is no such need.
                    It is clear that their re-preservation is still a headache - gaskets, cracked gum need to be changed, perhaps in some places an electrician. But they are not fragmented - this is the main thing.
                    1. Forest
                      Forest 3 December 2015 09: 28 New
                      0
                      If the tank unit is not far away, then these tanks were removed from the sights and ending with the engine.
              2. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 2 December 2015 21: 11 New
                +2
                If we remove all t-34s from the monuments, we’ll also get 2-3 thousand.
            2. Pissarro
              Pissarro 2 December 2015 17: 33 New
              +1
              you forgot to mention the ancient M48s, and the Turks have more than a thousand. Almost all are gathering dust in warehouses, but some are still in service in Cyprus. There they clung to our T34 in 1974, and so they became in the occupation building
            3. I am Russian
              I am Russian 2 December 2015 18: 18 New
              0


              Current song
              1. Alibekulu
                Alibekulu 2 December 2015 18: 45 New
                -3
                Quote: I-Russian
                AS KAZAKI TURK BEAL
                He is of course. The current from Donbass is only heard from different angles that the Cossacks flee first and fastest.
                And against the Turks ..
                1. I am Russian
                  I am Russian 2 December 2015 19: 07 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Alibekulu
                  Quote: I-Russian
                  AS KAZAKI TURK BEAL
                  He is of course. The current from Donbass is only heard from different angles that the Cossacks flee first and fastest.
                  And against the Turks ..


                  Do not you know. You live on Cossack land. hi
                  So the identity is not Cossacks, but mummers.
                  And Civil and after did not go unnoticed.

                  The Marine, who died in Syria, hails from Novocherkassk. Oh, not a Cossack. Cossack is a state of Soul and Spirit.
                  1. Alibekulu
                    Alibekulu 3 December 2015 21: 50 New
                    -2
                    Quote: I-Russian
                    Do not you know. You live on Cossack land.
                    So here and even our Russians hold a grudge against the Cossacks. Those de nose turn up .. request The village not far away is Presnogorkovskaya.
                    And so this is our land ..
                    Well, if I start about the "Great Steppe" they will say a long conversation ..
                    Quote: I-Russian
                    The Marine, who died in Syria, hails from Novocherkassk. Oh, not a Cossack.
                    Tokmo pro, the fact that "the Cossacks left the front, ran first .." much more is heard. From all the resources, by the way, the Russian militias are the same ..
                    And a well-established stamp / stereotype (idea) - "about the Cossack", based on the Donbass has already developed.
                    To the heap Tsapki with Tkachev ..
                    In Moscow, the poet O. Suleimenov, when he met newly arrived Kazakh students, always told them that they would judge the people according to you ..
            4. opus
              opus 2 December 2015 19: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: GRAY
              With tanks in general they lied, among the Turks there wasn’t so much.

              UN Register of Turkish Armed Forces for 2007 = 3363 tank



              339 Leopard 2A4 tanks delivered from Germany. It is planned to upgrade the forces of the Turkish company ASELSAN to level A6.
              77 Leopard 1A3 / TU tanks, delivery from Germany, Turkish modernization with the installation of the Volkan control system.
              150 Leopard 1A4 / T1 tanks, delivery from Germany, German modernization with the installation of the JMS EMES12 A3.
              165 Leopard 1A1A1 / T tanks, delivery from Germany, Turkish modernization with the installation of the Volkan control system.
              658 M60A3 TTS tanks (American modernization, with AN / VSG-2 combined thermal imaging gunner’s sight).
              274 M60A1 tanks.
              104 tanks M60A1 RISE (Passive), American modernization, with passive night instruments commander and driver.
              170 M60-T Sabra tanks, Israeli modernization of the M60A1, with the installation of a 120-mm gun and a modern SLA.
              Quote: GRAY
              All.

              And 1200 M48 tanks of various modifications (mostly in storage)?

              287 M48A5T1 / T2 units in the Turkish troops in Cyprus, which are grazed by the Cypriot T-80?

              Quote: GRAY
              The remaining tanks are probably like this:

              Well donkeys for donkeys, but still self-propelled guns are preferable to donkeys. not?
              1. GRAY
                GRAY 2 December 2015 20: 46 New
                -1
                Quote: opus
                UN Register of Turkish Armed Forces for 2007 = 3363 tank

                Data provided by Turkey itself.
                658 M60A3 TTS tanks (American modernization, with AN / VSG-2 combined thermal imaging gunner’s sight).

                Yeah, the modernization of the 1978 model is the same trash as the M-48/47.
                287 M48A5T1 / T2 units in the Turkish troops in Cyprus, which are grazed by the Cypriot T-80?

                The rest are disassembled for parts, in any case, they will remain in Cyprus.
                With the M-60, the same picture - cannibals, sir :-)
                Well donkeys for donkeys, but still self-propelled guns are preferable to donkeys. not?

                Self-propelled guns, as a tank, this is bad manners :-)
                1. opus
                  opus 2 December 2015 21: 11 New
                  -1
                  Quote: GRAY
                  Data provided by Turkey itself.

                  like the rest do not provide, but according to the CIA?

                  Everything in accordance with General Assembly resolution 68/43, everything is “snapped” at the oncoming
                  Quote: GRAY
                  Yeah, the modernization of the 1978 model is the same trash as the M-48/47.

                  Yeah, like we all have 15000 "Armata." So everyone. Both here and in the Bundeswehr. There are many old people. But the tank is a tank.

                  Here they are . Now they are fighting fine in Donbas

                  Quote: GRAY
                  they will remain in Cyprus.

                  however, they remain tanks. 14 rtrbr and the turdik mechanized brigade
                  There are several more T-34s. Trash?

                  Quote: GRAY
                  Self-propelled guns, as a tank, this is bad manners :-)

                  A donkey as a tank, then what?
                  I will remind you so
                  Quote: GRAY
                  The remaining tanks are probably like this:

          3. max2215
            max2215 2 December 2015 16: 49 New
            +3
            I remember not so long ago in VO there was an article about the state of our southern grouping of troops. It’s just too lazy to search, but everything was written exactly the opposite: the Black Sea Fleet does not pose any threat to the Turkish Navy, the Air Force (VKS) seems to be there, but in quantitative, and most importantly in qualitative terms, significantly inferior to the Turks, in general, it was said that the pipe is complete.
            This article, of course, pleases. But all the same, it is necessary to take off, sometimes, pink glasses - no matter how much you say to the water that it is milk, it will remain water. Problems didn’t go anywhere, Shoigu was able to optimize “what is” and, for example, if Irkutsk didn’t even deliver the planned 12 crackers, they themselves won’t appear, although you can hear how the engines rattle. Yes, you’ll hardly have to fight with the Turks alone ....
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 2 December 2015 17: 05 New
              0
              Quote: max2215
              Yes, and it is unlikely to have to fight with the Turks alone ....

              I suspect that they will be "harnessed" for them approximately as for Georgia. The military conflict between NATO and Russia, sooner or later, will necessarily develop into a nuclear one. It is unlikely that there will be those who want to participate in it. All of Europe quarreled among themselves because of refugees, but here there is no chance at all of an ephemeral chance to die.
          4. Sober
            Sober 2 December 2015 17: 06 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The value of this material is zero.

            And the rating, however, (and not official including) is very high.
          5. S_last
            S_last 2 December 2015 17: 15 New
            +1
            not even a wiki, according to the wiki of tanks in Russia about 2000, and here 15000
            1. GRAY
              GRAY 2 December 2015 19: 48 New
              +1
              Quote: S_last
              not even a wiki, according to the wiki of tanks in Russia about 2000, and here 15000

              In the Russian Federation, even the tanks of the Great Patriotic War, which are on pedestals, are formally listed as mothballed.
              Here is the info for last year:
              on the balance sheet of the Ministry of Defense there are as many as 18 177 units of the mentioned military equipment. Of these, the T-72B tanks (7144 units), T-80 (4744 units) and T-64 (4000 units) form the basis. In addition, the T-62 (689 vehicles) and the T-55 (1200 tanks) are in service.
              And ishosh T-90 about 400 pcs.
              Even if the T-62 and T-55 are not counted, still more than 15000 are obtained.
          6. SPLV
            SPLV 2 December 2015 18: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            The value of this material is zero.

            In this case, I would like to understand the meaning of this publication
          7. brisk
            brisk 2 December 2015 20: 51 New
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Immediately the question is, where is the strongest European army in Ukraine?


            The army of Ukraine is not at all the strongest army in Europe. Who said that she is the strongest in Europe? Poroshenko? He is not a model for listening. And then, any president of any country will cross over as soon as it comes to his army. Actually, now the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in 23rd place in the world. And in Europe, perhaps in 8th place. This, of course, if the list of the Armed Forces of Europe does not include the Armed Forces of Russia (is Russia also partially located in this part of the world? Currently, the Ukrainian Armed Forces are comparable in strength and combat capabilities with the Mexican Armed Forces.
          8. Weyland
            Weyland 3 December 2015 02: 03 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            As I understand it, the entire male population from 15 to 65 years old shoved here


            No, it seems - from newborns to 100-year-olds laughing ! We have more women than men!
          9. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 3 December 2015 09: 26 New
            0
            What a shame! Russia is compared with Turkey ...
        2. Vikings
          Vikings 2 December 2015 16: 40 New
          +1
          All compared, all calculated! It remains the case for
          small! Win in a real war! God forbid Of course! If she starts damned-
          Xia.
          1. sherp2015
            sherp2015 2 December 2015 17: 00 New
            +1
            Quote: Vikings
            All compared, all calculated! It remains the case for


            We must run the plants with might and main! And then you run around a thread that cuts a nut half a city until you find a good milling machine operator or a turner ... It was easy to destroy thieves.
            1. your1970
              your1970 2 December 2015 18: 02 New
              0
              So run !!!! © Ivan Vasilievich changes his profession
        3. sherman1506
          sherman1506 2 December 2015 17: 53 New
          -1
          Do not tell me how to spell it right?
        4. Enot-poloskun
          Enot-poloskun 2 December 2015 19: 18 New
          +1
          Comparison, gentlemen, incorrect ...

          I'm not a alarmist ...

          Just yesterday was the anniversary of Sinop. We beat the Turks to smithereens. But - then aggression began against the Russian Empire of almost all of Europe.

          France, England, Sardinia ... With the silently threatening behavior of Austria-Hungary ... And (albeit formally), but Prussia joined them.

          Yes, now the question is not whether we will break Turkey or not. Of course yes!

          But history can repeat itself ... USA, NATO ...

          Yes, we will overcome them. But war with them has yet to be avoided. Let them fall apart!
          1. sherman1506
            sherman1506 2 December 2015 20: 47 New
            0
            I very much doubt that Nata will now fit for Turkey into a big war. If earlier, in the old Russian-Turkish wars, Europe was not much superior to us in arms, then at the moment, the situation is not much different. Our air defense completely covers the skies of Turkey, in Armenia and Crimea are the Iskander and Bastions. The only advantage of the Turks, only in the infantry, but how we can deal with the crowd, artillery and armored vehicles, we showed in Syria.
            Ihhot kill me, I'm sure that in the case of a big mess China will fit in any way, on our side. Well, someone else is in reserve.
        5. Don karleone
          Don karleone 2 December 2015 21: 40 New
          -1
          so he scratches his hairy wassat
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 2 December 2015 15: 50 New
        12
        It is foolish to compare Russia with chocks. Not those times. Just a stupid comparison itself.
        Yes, do not care about these chocks. It's just that they are pawns in the hands of "crap". You just need to keep the weapon level.
        Russia is not in the first when all this will survive
        1. Antoshka
          Antoshka 2 December 2015 16: 05 New
          12
          Keep yourself in control. Offensive nicknames lower you to the level of the plinth.
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 2 December 2015 16: 57 New
            +1
            Quote: Antoshka
            Keep yourself in control. Offensive nicknames lower you to the level of the plinth.

            I’ll survive somehow. Not as tolerant as you. So this is your misfortune.
        2. Sober
          Sober 2 December 2015 17: 15 New
          +1
          Quote: Sterlya
          You just need to keep the weapon level.

          And crush them morally.
      3. SPACE
        SPACE 2 December 2015 15: 58 New
        +5
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Fighting spirit and perseverance do not take into account!

        Fighting spirit as well as the number of soldiers in a large-scale conflict today are less important, automated combat systems, space and aviation reconnaissance, missile weapons will fight, everything else depends on the outcome of this phase, you can clean it up with the wrong hands ... NATO will not take off, as in this case, another scenario will come into force, a limited nuclear war in Europe and the use of nuclear weapons and the United States will not be triggered since the Russian machine of the apocalypse can work.
        1. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 2 December 2015 16: 28 New
          +5
          Quote: SPACE
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Fighting spirit and perseverance do not take into account!

          Fighting spirit as well as the number of soldiers in a large-scale conflict today are less important, automated combat systems, space and aviation reconnaissance, missile weapons will fight, everything else depends on the outcome of this phase, you can clean it up with the wrong hands ... NATO will not take off, as in this case, another scenario will come into force, a limited nuclear war in Europe and the use of nuclear weapons and the United States will not be triggered since the Russian machine of the apocalypse can work.

          Germany in World War II also excelled us in technical and industrial potential! All of Europe worked for the Nazis ... (factories, factories everything was whole) But a miracle happened near Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad ... Who can explain this? Syria is Stalingrad, for Russia! Let's leave and that's it (dig trenches near the house ..) If you have time ... hi
          1. Sober
            Sober 2 December 2015 17: 21 New
            0
            Quote: MIKHAN
            But a miracle happened near Leningrad, Moscow and Stalingrad ...

            Thanks, Meehan !. Sorry, I couldn’t answer that way.
        2. Sober
          Sober 2 December 2015 17: 19 New
          0
          Quote: SPACE
          Fighting spirit

          Quote: SPACE
          are less important

          Not really yours. War may not even begin. If the fighting spirit of a military leader or army is suppressed.
      4. volot-voin
        volot-voin 2 December 2015 16: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Fighting spirit and perseverance do not take into account! In this, the Russian army was always strong ..

        It is foolish to even compare the capabilities of Russia and Turkey. But do not underestimate the enemy, who is able to provide active opposition, which will lead to military losses. And we must not forget that behind the backs of Turkey the ears of our main enemies stick out, that it is being pushed against us in order to weaken, and then cling to.
      5. theadenter
        theadenter 2 December 2015 16: 12 New
        +3
        And Turkey has a bloated conceit and reassessment of its capabilities. They are dangerous for their unpredictability. Judging by the rating above, this is not some kind of banana republic, but quite a country with a serious army.
        That is why I can understand Putin in that he decided to take the path of softer opposition. I hope that it is soft only at first glance ...
      6. Sidel45
        Sidel45 2 December 2015 16: 39 New
        +3
        Yes, the morale and stubbornness of the Russian army have always been strong, but the Turks will not refuse this, and if it comes to the war with Turkey, the victory of Russia will go so hard. Turkey’s membership in NATO should also not be forgotten, but things are not as good with our allies as we would like - Russia should just get involved somewhere, as our “brothers forever” strive to use this to their advantage. In any case, I would not go into reconnaissance with Father But ...
        1. Sober
          Sober 2 December 2015 17: 24 New
          -1
          Quote: Seidel45
          with Father But I would not go to intelligence ...

          But in vain. He is "innocent" hit. Play plays, but he knows!
          1. your1970
            your1970 2 December 2015 18: 04 New
            0
            in politics there are no simple-minded people; they don’t survive there repeat ....
            1. Sober
              Sober 2 December 2015 22: 50 New
              0
              Quote: your1970
              in politics there are no simple-minded people; they don’t survive there

              You probably read poorly, the word innocent is in quotation marks. I don’t put you a minus. However, please be observant.
              Statements and cases of Lukashenko, as they say two big differences. However, I do not impose my opinion, but only express.
      7. mmrr
        mmrr 2 December 2015 16: 52 New
        0
        And the Turks are mostly old (these are modernized M60 tanks, new units of their own production Altai also armored personnel carriers)
      8. Sober
        Sober 2 December 2015 17: 03 New
        0
        Quote: MIKHAN
        But our weapons are still modern

        Well done, Putin! So he raised the country after the collapse. It is difficult for the country, but without the costs of a “war”, we were not even noticed at all.
        1. Lenin
          Lenin 3 December 2015 12: 58 New
          0
          Quote: Sober
          lol, Putin! So raised the country after the collapse

          This is a well done people that Putin supported. And so more than once in our history. The main thing is that our rulers do not forget about their people.
      9. 78bor1973
        78bor1973 2 December 2015 19: 38 New
        0
        It’s just that the Russians are fighting in a different way, and there’s fighting enthusiasm and excitement, neither the Americans nor the French, nor even the Germans (it is clear who has planted the seed of inferiority)! Asians have a spirit but there is no reckless courage, they think a lot about themselves and Allah!
    2. Tor5
      Tor5 2 December 2015 15: 48 New
      0
      Even comparing an elephant and a pug is incorrect.
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    4. Vend
      Vend 2 December 2015 15: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: avvg
      And Russian Turks beat always and everywhere!

      Well, not always. Of the 12 Russian-Turkish warriors: Russia won in 9, 1 over Turkey (the Ottoman Empire) and 2 - a draw. But the Turks cannot break our strength.
    5. 3axap82
      3axap82 2 December 2015 15: 52 New
      17
      It would be good for you to recall the history of the Crimean War of 1853-1856. We were stronger than Turkey, but other countries intervened.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 2 December 2015 18: 35 New
        0
        I want to draw your attention to the fact that in Crimean Russia there was nothing to attack the overseas enemy.
    6. vovanpain
      vovanpain 2 December 2015 15: 53 New
      18
      Well, yes Well, yes, they just forgot to say: -That if Russia hits the Turks, the ukrokhunt in the Donbass immediately starts moving, and in fact, it’s already moving with might and main, NATO will remember the 5th chapter of the charter, they will not harness themselves, and the Turks can cram arms and Ukrainians and always to blame for these jackals will be Russia.
    7. Lenin
      Lenin 2 December 2015 15: 54 New
      +6
      Quote: avvg
      And Russian Turks beat always and everywhere!

      But where are the Turks? The article and the comparison of two opponents are not correct. If there is a mess, it is not with Turkey, but with NATO (USA), and then the Americans themselves are unlikely to fight, fooling their lures for the start will be used up. hi
      And then what will we see, we are waiting for a decision on Erdogan, will his allies merge or not merge?
    8. Curculum
      Curculum 2 December 2015 15: 55 New
      12
      And now - snot perdoganu:
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 15: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: Kurkul
        And now - snot perdoganu:

        Yes, it’s not only Erdogan’s kick between the legs, now it’s interesting what the State Department and the EU will bleat. They don’t know anything or need more information.
        Erdogan himself, of course, having glanced at it (and he looked at anyone) threw something at the TV. Tomorrow at the rally he will prove that this is not so.
        1. Curculum
          Curculum 2 December 2015 16: 01 New
          +1
          Not sure - the rally may be against him, such as "Erdoganuhodi".
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 16: 09 New
            +5
            Quote: Kurkul
            the rally may be against him, such as "Erdoganuhodi".

            A couple of years ago, Erdolgan, nicknamed the Turkish butcher, lucidly explained to those who shouted such things on the streets that they were wrong.
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 2 December 2015 17: 47 New
              +2
              A couple of years ago - this is still 2 years, a pretty significant period in view of the change in the whole situation in this region.
              Morning Chronicles:
              9:35 - US Representative to the UN Samantha Power: Those who buy oil from ISIS must answer for this.
              9:40 - US Congressman: Turkey helped IS more than fought with it.
              9:50 - All as agreed: Without Turkey, there would be no ISIS - the former head of Israeli intelligence.
              13:10 - Sarkozy: It is dishonest to deceive the Turks, to give hope that they will join Europe. Turkey should not be in the EU.
              A couple of years ago, no one could even think of something like that about Turkey, i.e. if then he was allowed to "lucidly explain," but now - other priorities. Perdogan is drained, and this is obvious.
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      3. vandarus
        vandarus 2 December 2015 16: 35 New
        0
        Thank. I looked. Statements of this kind should be made by our representative at an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, or at least Lavrov. The fact that these accusations are heard at a briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry automatically lowers their level. And this means that the Western "partners" of Putin "will not hear them." But still there is a chance to “turn off” Turkey from a ground operation in Syria.
        PS Paphos Antonova only annoys me?
        1. FIREMAN
          FIREMAN 2 December 2015 17: 06 New
          +2
          Thank. I looked. Statements of this kind should be made by our representative at an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, or at least Lavrov. The fact that these accusations are heard at a briefing by the Russian Defense Ministry automatically lowers their level. And this means that the Western "partners" of Putin "will not hear them." But still there is a chance to “turn off” Turkey from a ground operation in Syria.
          PS Paphos Antonova only annoys me?

          1. The briefing is intended primarily for journalists (“mouthpiece of propaganda”) if 1 out of 10 publishes revealing materials backing up their photos not from Facebook, but from space, it will already be a success. Maybe then the Eurogheys will think about it because they steal so much oil why they should feed millions of refugees! At the same time, the "calicion" led by the FSA destroys excavators, water pipes and does not see 10000 fuel trucks with oil and artificial oil lakes.
          2. In the UN Security Council, FSA puppets on the drum all that will represent the Russian Federation, even if the count on the head of the comrade will not help, and V. Churkin is not omnipotent.
          3. Pathos, pathos - this first of all shows the increased intellectual level of the leadership of the armed forces - in your opinion, should a general come out who cannot even connect a couple of words with a red face from "pressure"? The presented manner of presenting the material is ALREADY a significant step forward, so to speak, an army with a human face.
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          2. vandarus
            vandarus 2 December 2015 17: 20 New
            +3
            If you were listening to what you were talking about, you should have noticed that the representative of the Russian Defense Ministry made political statements and accused the head of a foreign state of a crime of complicity in terrorism. Who is authorized to make foreign policy statements? The fact that the MO was sent to make this statement indicates the unwillingness of the Foreign Ministry to fit in.
            "Paphos, pathos - this first of all shows the increased intellectual level of the leadership of the armed forces - in your opinion, the general should speak, who cannot even connect a couple of words with a red face? The presented way of presenting the material is ALREADY a significant step forward, so to speak the army with a human face. "
            I answer: a military man should be short and specific.
            1. Curculum
              Curculum 2 December 2015 18: 04 New
              -1
              Quote: vandarus
              The representative of the Russian Ministry of Defense made political statements and accused the head of a foreign state of a crime of complicity in terrorism.

              Do not be foolish - it’s not 2 KamAZs with sugar to let across the border, the scales are not the same, therefore, it could not do without a state apparatus, obviously to everyone. That is why this economy is closely linked to politics.
              Quote: vandarus
              talks about the reluctance of the Foreign Ministry to fit in.

              Oh, to our Foreign Ministry ... Most Western diplomats are no good at any point. And the Foreign Ministry is doing its job, the Defense Ministry is doing its own thing.
              Quote: vandarus
              a military man should be short and specific.

              So they would give an example or analogue of how a "military man" should act.
            2. opus
              opus 3 December 2015 22: 43 New
              0
              Quote: vandarus
              The fact that the MO was sent to make this statement indicates the unwillingness of the Foreign Ministry to fit in.

              Well, the Foreign Ministry, it can’t.
              Our military is "polite people"
              The Foreign Ministry would say so to the Turks:
        2. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 2 December 2015 19: 36 New
          -3
          Quote: vandarus
          Paphos Antonova only annoys me?

          Do you remember from the classics, through the mouths of Shura Balaganov: - “Who are you?” That the deputy defense minister of the Russian Federation annoys you. Or maybe you just have critical days? tongue
      4. Jozhkin Cat
        Jozhkin Cat 2 December 2015 16: 39 New
        +3
        ahhh, how much they are standing there, please plant ODAB-9000, at least once! the fireworks will be grandiose this time, and secondly, it’s unlikely that later someone will want to sit behind the wheel of the car wassat .
    9. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 2 December 2015 15: 59 New
      +3
      Our plane was shot down with the knowledge and consent. Checked the reaction, nerve strength and consequences. Evaluate ... And Turkey? -Turkey is not a pity.
      If they had applied TYAU, well, everyone would have frowned and moved out ... They would say that they exceeded the limits of self-defense.
      Second: Turkey did not aggravate for nothing. Apparently she was promised a cookie, in the form of some Syrian province (as an option), maybe the EU will dump the money or appoint a member, eventually, of course, when the Turkish difficult child ceases to be one. Or won't stop
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    11. 2s1122
      2s1122 2 December 2015 16: 02 New
      +2
      I don’t care where the Turks didn’t beat, in order to save human resources in cases of direct conflict, a preventive nuclear strike is applied to the enemy’s territory and then the territory is cleared. Then, of course, there will be a lot of political fuss, but everyone will turn gray like mice. The states are not fools and Europe too, but howl and that's all.
    12. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 2 December 2015 16: 07 New
      +3
      It seems to me or the Authors did not take into account that Turkey is in the Alliance? and that This Alliance across all Borders is close to the Russian Federation and that Turkey, represented by Erdogan, is just a "Pug" that puffs at the Elephant and that this whole situation is hyped by the media that every day throws up new woods. So there is an "information war" that's clear.
    13. Hammer
      Hammer 2 December 2015 16: 07 New
      +5
      Only, the question is that directly comparing the military potential of the two countries does not make sense. Since Turkey is a member of NATO in cases of military conflict, Ankara will receive all the necessary logistical support from NATO countries. Yes, Europe most likely will not participate in this war with its soldiers, it is not ready to receive coffins for the interests of others. But with regard to weapons, supplies and support - Turkey will receive in excess. I think including military experts, instructors, etc.
      Then our quantitative advantage will not be so obvious, and the qualitative one may not be on our side at all ... The West will not give us Turkey, the Russian Bosphorus and Dardanelles are like a knife to their throats.
      No cap-tale sentiment. It always ends badly.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 2 December 2015 16: 17 New
        +3
        Old Europe may not be at war with its soldiers. Toka ... The Young Europeans will rush into battle. Obsessed with the idea of ​​proving their usefulness, the leaders of Eastern European countries will even go to the corpses.
    14. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 2 December 2015 16: 27 New
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      And the Russian Turks were beaten always and everywhere! The Turks were beaten near Chigirin, Azov, Khotin, Iasi, Ochakov and so on.


      Global Military Power Index. Yoshkina pliers, but we did not know about the index. We have already been counted, it turns out. Sheep, they (WELL Dumb!), Lose. They have nothing of their own, they have mathematics, and those are perlmans.
    15. cniza
      cniza 2 December 2015 16: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: avvg
      And the Russian Turks were beaten always and everywhere! The Turks were beaten near Chigirin, Azov, Khotin, Iasi, Ochakov and so on.



      It was beaten, but one cannot underestimate it, today more technology is fighting, but this indicator is not displayed at all and in general the numbers raise many questions, where did they get them?
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    17. LINKor55
      LINKor55 2 December 2015 16: 31 New
      +3
      Turtukai, Chesma, Kozludzhi, Rymnik, Kinburn, Ishmael, Fidonisi, Kerch, Sinop, Wrangel also gave them a light in World War I, Skobelev combed them many times, Rumyantsev, Spiridov, Kutuzov captured the 35 thousandth army in captivity in 1811 under Slobod and many less high-profile victories, but no less significant !!!
    18. eplewke
      eplewke 2 December 2015 16: 38 New
      0
      How they like to consider foreign media ... They consider everything. On paper, the Wehrmacht was many times superior to the Union. And what came of it, we know very well. Regarding the Turks, what can I say? And in the toilet we will wet, we do not have a problem ...
    19. Sharapov
      Sharapov 2 December 2015 16: 42 New
      +2
      Why forget about NATO? Or have the Turks already gone from there?
    20. mihasik
      mihasik 2 December 2015 17: 06 New
      +3
      Quote: avvg
      And the Russian Turks were beaten always and everywhere! The Turks were beaten near Chigirin, Azov, Khotin, Iasi, Ochakov and so on.

      But here are the problems, ours stopped beating the Turks standing off the coast of the Bosphorus when England and their comrades "fit in" with them.
      Now Turkey is a NATO member and hoping that the Allies will not "fit in", at least frivolously. So the comparison is not correct, it will be more correct: the Turkish Army + NATO bloc, and with whom is Russia? China will enter only when they begin to peck themselves, with the rest +/- the same thing and that in order to be helped. Where is the CSTO? Something is not audible and not visible. Maybe it's a phantom? And here the advantage is not in our favor.
      Or our "great strategists" did not have enough shot down SUSHKI with MI-8 in Syria? Before "Avstoskali" already with defenseless bombers in the den of NATO. Their mother!
    21. madjik
      madjik 2 December 2015 19: 25 New
      +1
      Hats DOLL!))))))))
    22. Horst78
      Horst78 2 December 2015 20: 04 New
      +2
      Quote: avvg
      avvg Today, 15: 38 New
      And the Russian Turks were beaten always and everywhere! The Turks were beaten near Chigirin, Azov, Khotin, Iasi, Ochakov and so on.

      Let me be minus, but we weren’t beaten?
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 2 December 2015 21: 23 New
        0
        It has long been. more than 300 years ago. Few people remember. And after that, only we are Turks.
        1. opus
          opus 4 December 2015 01: 20 New
          +2
          Quote: Uncle VasyaSayapin
          It has long been. more than 300 years ago. Few people remember. And after that, only we are Turks.

          why lie
    23. marlin1203
      marlin1203 3 December 2015 00: 18 New
      +1
      And how to get to the Turks? There is no general land border. This is not the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union. The sea is risky. Their Navy is larger than our Black Sea Fleet, and 14 German-built submarines on the go. If only we break Azerbaijan, then Iran will miss. And it’s hard to pull logistics through the mountains. This Lend-Lease route was last used in World War II.soldier
  2. Bombardier
    Bombardier 2 December 2015 15: 39 New
    11
    They meet with their foreheads ... Well, the Anglo-Saxons are rubbing their hands, and they bet ...
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 2 December 2015 15: 44 New
      +4
      it remains to measure who has more pipiska. I hope we will not let the nuggldosaks stir up another?
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 15: 56 New
        +4
        Quote: Sterlya
        it remains to measure who has more pipiska.

        There is nothing to measure here, Erdogan converted to Islam and tamed his laughing
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 2 December 2015 17: 00 New
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Quote: Sterlya
          it remains to measure who has more pipiska.

          There is nothing to measure here, Erdogan converted to Islam and tamed his laughing

          So circumcision is not what you think. Cut off the foreskin. And not 10 centimeters! laughing
  3. sever.56
    sever.56 2 December 2015 15: 39 New
    +2
    They will tell empty to Erdogan, otherwise the guy on the shore has beguiled, - he imagined himself the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire and decided that everything was allowed to him. Better take care of your future. And it is far from rosy. Won and the Americans began to reap it slowly, demanding to close the border with Syria. One thing worries: - as if this ghoul did not try to create the so-called "buffer zone", on which DAIShevtsy will be unlimited and drive all the same oil from there.
  4. Dezinto
    Dezinto 2 December 2015 15: 40 New
    11
    Now the Anglo-Saxons rub their hands


    The epochs are changing .. but still:

  5. Koresh
    Koresh 2 December 2015 15: 40 New
    +1
    And we must add the Kurds and Syrians to everything else.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 2 December 2015 15: 46 New
      +5
      Kurds must be supported.
    2. 0255
      0255 2 December 2015 16: 11 New
      +2
      Quote: Koresh
      And we must add the Kurds and Syrians to everything else.

      The Syrian army is exhausted in 4 years of war, it could deal with ISIS and "moderate" terrorists.
  6. Fisman
    Fisman 2 December 2015 15: 41 New
    +5
    What is the point of comparing if NATO stands behind the Turks ???
    1. venaya
      venaya 2 December 2015 15: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: Fisman
      What is the point of comparing if NATO stands behind the Turks ???

      Is NATO homogeneous, if Turkey did not occupy such an important geopolitical position (straits), then Europeans, together with all NATO, would have spat on the Turks long ago. So far this has not happened.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 December 2015 21: 48 New
        0
        If the war starts with us, NATO will instantly spit on Turkey, despite all the latest statements.
    2. vell.65
      vell.65 2 December 2015 15: 57 New
      +4
      Quote: Fisman
      What is the point of comparing if NATO stands behind the Turks ???

      And yet Russia cannot be bent in any way, behind its prestige in the international arena and the subsequent accession of other countries to NATO, which are run by the Yankees, and not only them.
    3. 2s1122
      2s1122 2 December 2015 16: 13 New
      +4
      And try, for example, to explain if you are the same France presenter to your citizens that they should fight for tkrtsii. Which is a member of NATO and itself provoked a conflict without the approval of the alliance, to say the least, climbed into the ass and at the same time received a response from a country comparable in military potential to the United States. I think there will be few wishes, then there is absolutely no way.
  7. Trailer
    Trailer 2 December 2015 15: 41 New
    +3
    Fine. And what about the speed of delivery of troops to the area of ​​possible hostilities?
    1. Bombardier
      Bombardier 2 December 2015 15: 49 New
      +2
      The units of the 58th army are already on the border with Turkey; they are opposed by the 3rd field army of Turkey ..
      1. vandarus
        vandarus 2 December 2015 15: 59 New
        +6
        How long has our land border with Turkey?
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 2 December 2015 16: 13 New
          +4
          Well, just Georgia, it doesn’t count laughing
        2. Bombardier
          Bombardier 2 December 2015 16: 38 New
          +3
          Quote: vandarus
          How long has our land border with Turkey?


          Armenia, my friend, borders on Turkey. And in Armenia, parts of the 58th army.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 16: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Bombardier
        The units of the 58th army are already on the border with Turkey; they are opposed by the 3rd field army of Turkey ..

        Figasee, but I heard ours pulled up forces to the border with Spain. Isn't that right?
        Quote: vandarus
        How long has our land border with Turkey?

        Oh come on you sorry or something laughing
        1. Bombardier
          Bombardier 2 December 2015 16: 37 New
          +9
          Parts are located in Armenia. Armenia borders with Turkey, but you Romanov - a campaign with Spain - clowned.
  8. GYGOLA
    GYGOLA 2 December 2015 15: 41 New
    0
    Putin is beautiful!
  9. iouris
    iouris 2 December 2015 15: 43 New
    +2
    The war is not going on with Turkey, but with the bloc led by the United States. The war with the Turkish regime of Erdogan is only a private battle in this war. And in this battle, victory has not yet been won.
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 2 December 2015 16: 23 New
      0
      Yes, it’s better to win a war than a single battle. The main enemy is the United States.
  10. sined0707
    sined0707 2 December 2015 15: 43 New
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    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 2 December 2015 16: 17 New
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      Yes, this is writing. And absolutely meaningless, because we are not at war with Turkey. And we won’t. No one, will not fight with the owner ya.o.
      No one needs this, they will spoil, but not fight.
  11. veksha50
    veksha50 2 December 2015 15: 46 New
    +3
    Hmm ... I would be careful with these paper calculations - both in relation to Turkey, and in relation to Russia ...

    Paper - it suffers a lot ... Beautifully on paper, but forgot about the ravines ...

    And we should not forget: Turkey is a member of NATO ... that is, the one who is now going to fight only with Turkey is deeply mistaken ...

    But in NATO, in the aggregate, there are even more nuclear weapons than in the entire triad of Russia (I mean strategic) ... We then consider parity only between the USA and Russia ...
    1. TRex
      TRex 2 December 2015 16: 37 New
      +3
      Plus the geography of the straits, plus all sorts of mongrels near Russia, who will try to insert their three pennies ... For some reason, no one compares the potential of the Black Sea Fleet with the Turkish Navy - if the straits are blocked, it won’t be enough for Crimea. So do not once again throw caps of the enemy. In a local armed conflict it will be very difficult in the south.
  12. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 2 December 2015 15: 46 New
    +2
    Some 60% of Russia's budget is spent on nuclear weapons. Money for conventional weapons and the army is roughly comparable, given the difference in population size. In a conflict without nuclear weapons, the forces can be almost equal.
    1. demos1111
      demos1111 2 December 2015 16: 16 New
      +1
      Then the Turks will have more costs, Rosmiya makes weapons for herself, and they have to buy abroad, and therefore spare parts for him.
      Conclusion by itself, avrmiya costs them more and much more.
  13. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 2 December 2015 15: 48 New
    +4
    We hit the sore spot of the Erdogan clan! We’ll also arm the Kurds and agree with them ... am
    1. Alibekulu
      Alibekulu 2 December 2015 16: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: MIKHAN
      We beat on the samum of the sore spot of the clan Erdogan!
      Yeah lol pgam pimadore .. belay
  14. GUKTU
    GUKTU 2 December 2015 15: 50 New
    -1
    Maybe stronger. But we will face NATO and here, alas, the advantage is obvious. Unless an unknown and powerful weapon is hidden somewhere in the GDP. Peace to the world! No war!
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 2 December 2015 16: 18 New
      +1
      Tucked away. Only known wink
  15. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 2 December 2015 15: 50 New
    +5
    Absolutely stupid title of the article ... otherwise, why compare the IMPORTANT BODY with your finger ... this is another stupid thing ... and thanks for the numbers, just.
    1. kepmor
      kepmor 2 December 2015 16: 03 New
      +2
      Well, why are you so insulting the “analysts” from the “respected RIA NEWS” !?
      Oh, such a flight of strategic thought and that’s all ... "down the drain"!
  16. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 2 December 2015 15: 52 New
    +7
    “With a total population of 142,47 million, Russia can mobilize more than 69 million in the event of a potential military conflict. Every year the age of military service reaches 1,35 million. At present, more than 766 thousand people are involved in military service, and almost 2,5 million are in reserve, ”the rating agency reports.
    Turkey, with a population of 81,61 million, “can mobilize 41,6 million; annually 1,37 million people become liable for military service; 410,5 currently employs thousands of people in Turkey, and there are thousands of 185,63 in service. ”

    Oh, and the ratings are there too. But what did they forget about the Kurds, who are full in Turkey, and who, being once loyal to the Ottoman Empire, now see modern-day Turkey as their worst enemy and will not miss the opportunity to strike the Turks in the back (which is quite expected in this case is encouraged - because partisan actions categorically do not accept the observance of any conventions or knightly rules there regarding an enemy who wants to destroy you as a people). Nowadays, comparing the military capabilities of different countries for the most part is generally meaningless - especially in the presence of nuclear weapons and other weapons of mass destruction, which largely offset the difference in the capabilities of conventional weapons.
    "Russian Turks have always beaten" - A. Suvorov and the Turks remember this best of all. The defeats of the Russian army and navy in the wars with the Turks throughout the centuries-old history of relations between these countries can be counted on the fingers. One hand will be enough. Although I am against any forceful solution to the issue, if the matter can and should be decided by the world. The enemy does not have to be physically destroyed, it can be strangled economically. For Turkey, where commerce is held in high esteem everywhere in the East, the blow to the pocket of traders and businessmen from the tourism industry will be much more painful.
    I have the honor.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 December 2015 16: 16 New
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      The defeats of the Russian army and navy in the wars with the Turks throughout the centuries-old history of relations between these countries can be counted on the fingers.

      and there was no loss in the wars, there was a desire to please the Europeans and even a concrete drain (and sometimes betrayal) of the victories of the Russian arms (as an example of the Berlin Congress) of our diplomats, as well as an outright betrayal of the so-called allies (Crimean War 1853-1856). Moreover, almost always the Turks attacked Russia or in the territory of its interests under the pressure of lemongrass, frog pool, Austro-Hungarians and other countries of friendly Europe.
      1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
        Uncle VasyaSayapin 2 December 2015 21: 30 New
        +1
        Peter 1 was surrounded. His wife, with other women, threw a piece of gold, bribed the Turks, ours agreed with the Turks, as a result, Moldova had to leave, Taganrog abandoned and the ships built in Voronezh for the Sea of ​​Azov, including "Goto Preinstallation" sell to the Turks. Famous story. Is that a victory?
  17. NEXUS
    NEXUS 2 December 2015 15: 52 New
    +2
    These comparisons are meaningless and even harmful, since in reality everything is not as rosy as we would like. Washington’s support, both military and financial, in the event of a direct conflict, even if article 5 is not involved, is taken into account. I didn’t succeed. I have already said that Turkey, as one of the players in the Middle East, must be taken very seriously and try to assess the situation soberly, as well as our and adversary’s capabilities, both military and political and financial.
  18. Engineer
    Engineer 2 December 2015 15: 56 New
    +2
    It should be noted that 410,5t people also include gendarmes, so the military in Turkey is less than this figure.
  19. Stiletto
    Stiletto 2 December 2015 15: 57 New
    +3
    The funniest comparison of a whale with an elephant from a series of those that I saw. The alignment at the level of kindergarten, not Military Review.
  20. bubla5
    bubla5 2 December 2015 15: 58 New
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    Damn found with what and by whom to compare, the elephant and the pug your mother, even a shame for the author
  21. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 December 2015 15: 58 New
    +3
    Comparing our armies is the same as comparing your ass with your finger! To whom absolutely nothing to do can equal our army with the armies for example Britain, Canada, Germany and others! Now the power of armies is not measured by the number of bayonets and sabers! We have long been in a state of hybrid wars. In the event of any conflict, the use of various arms will be considered, depending on geography. In the case of Turkey, we will have to unacceptably damage this country by launching cruise missiles, the so-called massive preemptive strike, and finish off their fleet. And then it makes no sense to clean up something .. And if it is not enough, then there are many more options.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 2 December 2015 16: 19 New
      +2
      Quote: dchegrinec
      .And then there is no point in stripping something.

      Constantinople must be selected with the straits, because the Turks could not cope with the trust placed in them.
  22. glotich
    glotich 2 December 2015 15: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: avvg
    Russians and Turks always beat.

    Fighting spirit and perseverance do not take into account! In this, the Russian army was always strong .. But our weapons are still modern, although so far not enough!

    That's it, that we always had fighting spirit! which has been confirmed more than once, here is one of the events:

    From the report of Field Commander South Army Field Marshal von Bock on June 21, 1942:
    "... Last night I dismissed the division commander, reporting that the Russians had repulsed his attack by fighting with hammers and shovels ..."

    and there are a lot of such examples!
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 2 December 2015 16: 40 New
      -1
      I just did not believe it.
  23. Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 December 2015 16: 00 New
    +1
    If our armed forces surpassed the NATO troops not only in bravery, in personal combat training and in certain types of weapons, then we could relax a little. Slightly.
  24. AlexTires
    AlexTires 2 December 2015 16: 00 New
    +2
    The article is a too linear approach to the topic, and as a result - with superficial conclusions, which is dangerous. And to put it bluntly, then such a comparison is complete STUPIDness, popularly called cap-slandering and populism ....
  25. afrikanez
    afrikanez 2 December 2015 16: 01 New
    +2
    The power of the country is not calculated by ratings, as the "zhurnalyugi" do not understand how fool Although the technical component of the army, plays an important role. After all, you can absolutely mindlessly control the same robot!
  26. murking
    murking 2 December 2015 16: 01 New
    +2
    Oh my god, it wouldn’t be a shame to publish such slag, the number of stupid people is sometimes amazing. The population of Russia is 146.3 million, gold reserves-364.5 billion.
  27. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 2 December 2015 16: 04 New
    0
    They were surprised right .... to compare our armed forces with the Turkish is a bit ridiculous ... the fleet in ancient times, could still compete with ours, then the wars were notable!
  28. raid14
    raid14 2 December 2015 16: 06 New
    +3
    Shouting "throw caps" and "Urya" sitting in a chair in front of the computer, can only shkolota or id.oty, then they will not fight.
    If war breaks out with Turkey, NATO will surely stab in the back for a reason is not gathering its forces in the Baltic states, Poland, Romania.
    If the bet on conventional weapons does not work, only two options are nuclear war or complete defeat with loss of sovereignty.
    1. vladim.gorbunow
      vladim.gorbunow 2 December 2015 20: 43 New
      +1
      Strange, but everyone forgot the Ukrainian front. Armed Forces of Ukraine will leave Donbass in the rear and try to operate in the Caucasian gates of Rostov-Volgograd. .This will lead them to defeat. They will be sacrificed as cannon fodder in order to create a strategic threat to Russia in the Black Sea-Turkish, Syrian direction and in the Caucasus.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 2 December 2015 21: 53 New
        -1
        If they want to fight with us, LDNR will immediately go into battle and all the APU will be in the boiler.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2015 21: 58 New
      0
      NATO in the event of a war between Turkey and Russia will immediately withdraw, and the amount of equipment that they caught up in the Baltic states is "chickens to laugh."
  29. oleg46
    oleg46 2 December 2015 16: 11 New
    +1
    Not analysis - but just n (chic)! What is the article about? That the Russian Armed Forces are stronger than the Turkish Armed Forces? So, what is next? What is the real profit from such superiority in the light of recent tragic events for us? What do we have at the output? Correctly the same - zilch (or a bunch, as you like), wrapped in a beautiful wrapper of pathos words spoken from high tribunes. You, people say, calm down, don’t get so nervous - measures are being taken: the president is on the alert, the government, coupled with bureaucracy, is working hard and you work more, but think less and everything will be OK with us!wassat
  30. Artybyrd
    Artybyrd 2 December 2015 16: 14 New
    +2
    Quote: MIKHAN
    We hit the sore spot of the Erdogan clan! We’ll also arm the Kurds and agree with them ... am

    Meanwhile ... "Today at 3 a.m., about 5 tons of military cargo was dropped by Russian military aircraft in the Sheikh Maksud area near Aleppo, allegedly intended for the Syrian Democratic Union forces PYD" (link: http://www.hurriyet.com. tr / rusyadan-pydye-silah-yardimi-iddiasi-40021877)
    If true, then the "right road we go," comrades! )
  31. dmitrii1885
    dmitrii1885 2 December 2015 16: 16 New
    +1
    selectively write. And now we need to take the size of the Russian Federation and Turkey, and try to compare the size of the Black Sea Fleet and the armed forces that are located there and Turkey.
  32. Luga
    Luga 2 December 2015 16: 17 New
    -3
    Filkina letter. If Russia were allowed to fight one-on-one straits with Turkey, we would have been ours long ago and Constantinople would again become the capital of Orthodoxy.

    It’s too early to order a monument to Oleg the Prophet with a removable shield. The combined military potential of NATO allows us to count only on a successful defensive war, no more. This is if without large missiles.
  33. v245721
    v245721 2 December 2015 16: 17 New
    +1
    Turks are different as in any nation. but about friends, stop looking stop . they already exist, the army and navy. and the rest is all nonsense. fool
  34. Bully
    Bully 2 December 2015 16: 19 New
    +1
    The GDP has repeatedly told NATe that it is not going to fight with conventional weapons, realizing that this path is losing. No one will harness for Turkey: neither the states, nor the French, nor the British. If the Russian Federation uses nuclear weapons against the Turks, the aforementioned “partners” will not even move. ” It’s one thing to shake your tongue and frighten you with sanctions; it’s another to sit in the bunker and wait for the Voivode to fly onto their cowardly, liberal head. Here an interesting continuation may follow - everyone will understand that NATO is a soap bubble, but in reality, everyone is for himself!
    1. cherkas.oe
      cherkas.oe 2 December 2015 19: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Bully
      Here an interesting continuation may follow - everyone will understand that NATO is a soap bubble,

      All in topic. good drinks . Only the office does not need to be fired, VO is not only Russia that reads. bully
  35. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 2 December 2015 16: 21 New
    -9
    Pay attention to Putin’s hands. Thumbs tight and hidden to a fist - this, according to psychologists, is a sign of a person unsure of himself, but loving and thirsty for power. And this is not the only shot. In almost all photos, Putin holds one or both hands this way. That's why his friends, corrupt officials, irresponsible officials and the so-called "oligarchs" feel at ease. And also the "fifth column" in ave. Medvedev. But Medvedev feels quite confident in the collapse of the Russian economy!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 16: 28 New
      +4
      Quote: 16112014nk
      Pay attention to Putin’s hands. Thumbs tight and hidden to a fist - this, according to psychologists, is a sign of a person unsure of himself, but loving and thirsty for power.

      I drew attention to your koment and understood the psychologist will not help you anymore.
      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 2 December 2015 16: 54 New
        -2
        Until now, he did without a psychologist. Tea, I do not live in America.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 16: 58 New
          +1
          Quote: 16112014nk
          Still dispensing with a psychologist

          And then it’s clear that they started the process.
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      1. 16112014nk
        16112014nk 2 December 2015 20: 39 New
        -2
        Why be rude? I didn’t drink to the broodershaft with you. I did not insult anyone - I simply state the facts. And the facts testify - a person experiences fear, resentment, opposition to others. Something like this. Isn't that what Putin experienced at a summit in Australia?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 December 2015 22: 02 New
          0
          But Medvedev is not ruining the economy, everything is fine with the economy - those who are eager to open factories and invest in new projects.
        2. KaPToC
          KaPToC 2 December 2015 22: 06 New
          -1
          Did you apparently drink with Brundershaft with Putin?
          The fact that you did not insult anyone is a blatant lie; you insulted the president of Russia.
          At the summit in Australia, ALL Australia came into contact with the sight of the Russian missile cruiser.
          1. 16112014nk
            16112014nk 3 December 2015 11: 54 New
            0
            YOU were in Australia during the summit and personally saw that all Australians walk in diapers?
            And President Putin at a briefing, according to eyewitnesses, because of the obstruction of those around, he was eating a bite of breath away from everyone. Wasn’t he upset and uncomfortable? Therefore, he flew away before everyone else.
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 5 December 2015 00: 10 New
              0
              Apparently YOU I personally attended the summit and saw what and how Putin experienced there?
              Obstruction from enemies? Are you kidding me? Yes, do not give a damn about the obstruction from the villains.
  36. zulus222
    zulus222 2 December 2015 16: 27 New
    0
    it would be surprising and insulting if it were not superior!)) just let’s not forget that Turkey is a NATO member.
  37. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 2 December 2015 16: 37 New
    0
    Comparison of conventional weapons systems plus is clearly not on the Turkish side. But I would like to understand why the nuclear component is excluded? This "club" still holds back some particularly "hot" heads for the use of conventional weapons systems. Once such a booze has gone, cut the last cucumber.
    The military conflict must be completely eliminated, but the "partners" must understand that any aggression on our armed forces will entail a response to the aggressor. There was no military need for the 24th to shoot down.
  38. Not served
    Not served 2 December 2015 16: 39 New
    0
    laughing
    As they say without comment
  39. imugn
    imugn 2 December 2015 16: 42 New
    0
    Well, nothing is said that Russia itself produces weapons, and Turkey is a buyer
  40. maestro123
    maestro123 2 December 2015 16: 44 New
    0
    GFI: Russian Armed Forces Surpass Turkish Army in All Indicators


    What nonsense is this? The Russian Armed Forces were originally created to respond to more global challenges. It would be ridiculous if we lost here too.

    According to the information, “15398 tanks (3778 - from Turkey), 31298 BTR (7550 - Turkey), 5972 self-propelled units (against 1013), 3793 multiple launch rocket systems (against 811) are in service in Russia.


    In general, the article is incorrectly written. Why in a hypothetical war with Turkey to compare the number of all tanks? With Far East chase to Turkey?
  41. From Samara
    From Samara 2 December 2015 16: 51 New
    +1
    Turkey has always been technically the weakest member of NATO!
  42. zenith
    zenith 2 December 2015 16: 53 New
    +8
    Quote: REDBLUE
    Erdoganchik fox

    Listen here and in the box on each channel sofa warriors (not all of course) and ask. Do you gentlemen know what a real war is? And how many of you if run for disability certificates? Are there any real ones here or not? Like schoolchildren, by golly. War is not 2 place in a rating, and when they kill. And the most important thing for this. Let's drive it away mentally - an enemy has attacked our land. You go all clear and die for her. And now everyone understands why? This is not a question for custom-made warriors. While you are in a foreign land, you are a stranger. Everything convinces with history - we beat everyone 70, 100, 200, 300 years ago. Question. Specifically, I beat you? Something seems to me different before the warrior was fighting for another. Without the Internet, loans, salami and poacher. So what could be different? Personally, I think the orders need to cling to their own and not their ancestors. We need to bazaar less - do more. You don’t hang Turku with a balabola. I think it’s necessary to make less calls and ringleaders to tape their mouths, and quietly taxi out. Without unnecessary warnings, they leveled the front to the Kurds, quietly supplied what they could. We quietly agreed with Assad, but give them to them legally the entire border with Turkey and live in peace. No, well, how did they spit in our direction. And what did they expect to kiss chtoli? With these fruits it is only possible to bring them out of ambush according to their own laws. No, we’ll get out of business now. Striped just that. And we, like bull-calves on a rope, yell and climb there. This is the right war, he left the house, hugged his wife, told her, well, you’re spinning around there, as you want, don’t forget about loans, I ordered my son to learn if he can and went to die for a just cause. Everything is fair. And now for Syria or for Assad or for the destruction of daish or for the image? Exactly what, does anyone know? Article minus. we have 80 million which is not a pity, we are cooler. Minus 2 times. Hooray patriots waiting for disagreement.
    1. anip
      anip 2 December 2015 17: 47 New
      +1
      Quote: zenit
      Everything convinces with history - we beat everyone 70, 100, 200, 300 years ago. Question. Specifically, I beat you? Something seems to me different before the warrior was fighting for another. Without the Internet, loans, salami and poacher.

      That's it.

      Quote: zenit
      I think it’s necessary to make less calls and ringleaders to tape their mouths with tape, and quietly taxi out. Without unnecessary warnings, they leveled the front to the Kurds, quietly supplied what they could. We quietly agreed with Assad, but give them to you legally the entire border with Turkey and live in peace.

      Perhaps one of the most realistic options.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 2 December 2015 18: 53 New
      0
      They didn’t beat Turkey, they beat the Ottoman Empire.
  43. vobels
    vobels 2 December 2015 16: 55 New
    0
    ".. RIA Novosti proposed to compare the military capabilities of both sides, .." In general, it is incorrect to compare, if only with the aim of poking the Turks face on the asphalt, that would know their place. And they won’t even understand - their actions were dictated by the hosts from across the ocean, and they are like dolls.
  44. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 2 December 2015 17: 12 New
    0
    Lavrov A. M. Dear Alexander Dmitrievich, dear deputies! The second part of Article 43, the action of which is proposed to be suspended for 2016, determines the procedure for calculating pensions for military personnel in relation to the size of the monetary allowance of military personnel. This article established that since 2012, the amount of cash allowance taken into account when calculating a pension is 54 percent and increases by 2 percent annually. In the event that this provision continued to be implemented, in 2016 this ratio would have reached 62 percent, but in practice, military pensions were indexed at a much faster pace (and did the Deputy Minister of Finance forget that this is not indexation of pensions, and the return of debt to military pensioners, which the state for economic reasons could not give back to military pensioners immediately on January 1, 2012?), including taking into account the actual inflation. And as a result, this norm was suspended last year, because it was indicated that this ratio is not 62 percent, but 66,78 percent, that is, significantly higher than the legislatively established level (I would like to remind the Deputy Minister of Finance that Law No. 309 the norm for indexing military pensions has been set at least 1 percent annually from January 2, and more is possible, and this fact in no way can justify that the state has done more than it should). If we did not suspend this norm, we would have to continue to increase further. Now for 2016, we propose to establish this ratio at an even higher level - 69,45 percent, which in terms of recalculation actually means an increase in pensions for military pensioners, as for all pensioners, based on the general decision to index pensions from February 1 by 4 percent. Thus, from February 1, 2015 to February 1, 2016, pensions for military pensioners will increase by 12 percent (that is, the Deputy Minister of Finance believes that the increase in military pensions in 2015 by 7,5% and the planned increase in 2016 by 4 % compensate for projected inflation in 2015 (12,4%) and in 2016 (6,4%)? In this case, the government must be commended for the fact that the increase in military pensions from October 1, 2015 by 7,5% significantly increased the living standards of military pensioners exceeded inflation in October of this year (0,74%) !!! But then the question arises, why does indexation not occur monthly?).

    This set of rules may be quite difficult to implement, but such an approach is proposed to increase military pensions. All these funds, I emphasize once again, equal to an increase of 4 percent from February 1, 2016, are provided for in the federal budget.

    Please support the bill in the first reading.

    Chaired by First Deputy Chairman of the State Duma I. I. Melnikov
    1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
      Uncle VasyaSayapin 2 December 2015 21: 38 New
      0
      Citizens who doubt that they will live to retire at all, do not just understand the concerns of military pensioners.
  45. konstant_n
    konstant_n 2 December 2015 17: 12 New
    0
    Quote: PSih2097
    Constantinople must be selected with the straits, because the Turks could not cope with the trust placed in them.

    The idea is certainly good, but how do you propose to do this?
    Do not forget that Turkey is a member of NATO.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 2 December 2015 18: 54 New
      0
      So Turkey can shoot down our planes?
  46. Pimply
    Pimply 2 December 2015 17: 13 New
    +1
    Both people and equipment must be transferred to the theater of operations. Create a supply chain.
  47. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 2 December 2015 17: 13 New
    0
    A. Lavrov, Official Representative of the Government of the Russian Federation, Deputy Minister of Finance of the Russian Federation.

    Dear Alexander Dmitrievich, dear deputies! The proposed bill, like the previous ones just considered, is directly related to the draft federal budget for 2016, but only on the part of expenses. The essence of the bill is to extend for 2016 the rules on the suspension of a number of provisions of social laws that determine payments to citizens, laws regulating the remuneration of civil servants, judges, military personnel and persons equated to them. In this case, one must proceed from the following: the law enacted in April 2015 provided for this suspension and at the same time introduced the norm that in 2016 the main social benefits are subject to indexation taking into account the actual inflation rate of 2015, which is now forecasted at 12,2, 5,5 percent. This year, these social benefits were indexed by 2016 percent, therefore, in 6,4 the main social benefits will be indexed - I emphasize: in accordance with the current legislation - by 2016 percent, these funds are provided for in the draft federal law "On the federal budget for 2016. " The government does not currently see other options for additional indexation in XNUMX.

    Based on this, we ask you to support the extension of the suspension, which is already valid for 2015, for 2016. In this case, of course, it is necessary to proceed from the fact that the rule on suspension, by definition, is temporary (and the abolition of monetary allowance indexation in 2014 and 2015 was also temporary? It turns out, as in a joke: there is nothing more permanent than temporary) and, in the future, we will need to return, as was previously assumed, to the question of determining on an ongoing basis the procedure for indexing payments, social benefits and remuneration of civil servants and military personnel.

    The government asks to support the bill in the first reading.
  48. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 2 December 2015 17: 15 New
    0
    Such a policy of the Ministry of Finance leads, of course, to impoverishment, bitterness and undermining of the state principles. This situation is especially dangerous, but at the same time we are talking about this category of public servants, on whom the state is supported, the fight against crime and the protection of public order. In the context of a very difficult geopolitical situation, when it is obvious that our external opponents are trying to destabilize our country, when a humanitarian catastrophe erupted near the borders of Russia, on the territory of Ukraine, when NATO heavy weapons are deployed in the Baltic states, when our valiant Armed Forces carry out a unique anti-terrorist operation - for the first time we are proud of our army, thanks to our Minister of Defense, President! - when ISIS declared war on Russia, look at the latest threatening statements from terrorists - under these conditions, the freezing of the indexation of wages by law enforcement officers and military personnel is especially acute, to say the least.


    And both of these documents were adopted by the State Duma with the unanimous approval of United Russia! So who is our fifth column?
  49. Evgeny RS
    Evgeny RS 2 December 2015 17: 17 New
    0
    In my opinion, simply unrealistic data on the mobilization abilities of Russia and Turkey are provided.
    How can almost half the country's population be drafted into the army? 69 million
    Delirium
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 2 December 2015 18: 56 New
      0
      For every person mobilized into the army, two or three people must be mobilized into industry.
  50. anip
    anip 2 December 2015 17: 44 New
    0
    With a total population of 142,47 million people, Russia can mobilize more than 69 million people in the event of a potential military conflict.

    Interestingly, the author of these lines of what smoked? who will work?
    For example, for WWII there is such data:
    According to military statisticians, 19,1% of the total population was called up to the RSFSR, and taking into account the personnel, 22,7%. In Ukraine - 12,5% ​​and 15%, respectively, in Belarus - 12% and 14%, in the republics of Central Asia - 17% and 20%.

    Somewhere there was evidence that a maximum of 25% of the population could be mobilized, and even then, with an incredible strain of the forces of the people.