A detachment of Russian Pacific Fleet ships led by the Varyag missile cruiser entered the Indian Ocean

A detachment of Pacific Fleet ships, led by the Varyag missile cruiser, entered the Indian Ocean. According to the press service of the Pacific fleet, Russian ships will take part in the Indra Navy 2015 Russian-Indian naval exercises (Indra Navy-2015). In addition to the Varyag, the squad of ships includes: the destroyer Bystry, the rescue tugboat Alatau, and the tanker Boris Butoma. All ships of the Pacific Fleet successfully passed the Strait of Malacca and headed for the Indian port of Vishakhapatnam, where joint maneuvers of the fleets of the two countries will be officially opened.

TASS news agency reports that on the way to the Indian port, the Russian ships have completed the tasks of air defense warrants.

The official representative of the fleet Roman Martov:

During the fulfillment of the combat service tasks, the crews of the ships completed the tasks of the air defense of the warrant, training of the anti-terror unit, anti-ship maneuvers, operations of the ships for fighting for survivability and replenishment of stocks at sea.

A squad of Russian ships left Vladivostok on November 2 and during the transition managed to conduct several exercises of various orientations, including anti-piracy maneuvers in the area of ​​the Malacca Strait, where numerous pirate groups are operating, keeping the merchant ships in these waters at bay.

Comments

[kostya-petrov]

Are you planning to enter the Mediterranean Sea?
There is work for the entire order. Yes, and GRKR "Moscow" company should be made!

[Darkoff]

Perhaps Moscow will be changed.
She has been on duty there for a long time. Yes, and in the Black Sea it would be necessary to return, while there is an opportunity to slip through the Turkish Straits.

[_Vladislav_]

The Varyag missile cruiser is an analogue of the Moskva. But like any missile cruiser of this type comes as part of escort ships.
However, acting in conditions of limitation of the sea area by the coastline (for example, the Mediterranean Sea), it becomes vulnerable to coastal guns (complexes), and mainland aviation.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: _Vladislav_

The Varyag missile cruiser is an analogue of the Moskva.

If we compare the US destroyer Arly Burke and the cruiser of the Glory project, we get the following:
Anti-aircraft missiles: SM-2 and S-300 for 64 missiles (typical loading of missiles SM-2/6 64 missiles)
Anti-theft missiles: 8 Harpoons in inclined launchers at Burke (and not all of them, modern destroyers do not have inclined launchers) and 16 P-1000 Volcano at Moscow. The RRM LRASM rocket adapted for the Mk-41 UVP is still being tested.
Burke missiles for striking ground targets at 26 tomahawks Moscow has no such missiles
Rocket torpedoes: Burke has 6 Asrok-type torpedoes in Moscow; 10 torpedo tubes that can use RPK-6M Waterfall

[botsman80]

Correcting the lieutenant of the Air Force: on the Orly Burke type EM URO there is a vertical launch device in the amount of 96 (in the previous series 90) and you can load them as you wish, but the typical load is as follows: 8 BGM-109 Tomahawk cruise missiles, 8 anti-submarine missiles guided missiles RUM-139 VL-Asroc, 74 missiles RIM-66 SM-2, 24 missiles RIM-7 Sea Sparrow (four per cell) ... and there is no more missile weapons. And there are no 26 Tomahawks either.

[KaPToC]

Volcano - shot of a battleship.
Harpoon - a shot of a cruiser, ordinary, not heavy.
Close in power and range to harpoons - the 48N6 missile of the S-300F EMNIP complex, of which "Moscow" has 64 pieces

[Diana Ilyina]

Quote: DarkOFF

Perhaps Moscow will be changed.
She has been on duty there for a long time. And it would have to be returned to the Black Sea, as long as it is possible to slip through the Turkish Straits.

Yesterday in VESTI DOC I heard how in the 90s the Turks decided to "show their teeth" and not let "Moscow" through the straits! We set up three ships on the course of "Moscow"! Our commander decided to uncover something there ... in a few minutes the fairway was clear, and there were no enemy ships nearby! I suppose that now, when trying to close the straits, it will be about the same!

[mvg]

Even if the whole team goes on deck and "uncovers", this number will not work ...
But your idea is interesting.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: mvg

Even if the whole team goes on deck and "uncovers", this number will not work ...
But your idea is interesting.

I’m not sure at that time the Turkish ships wanted to startle, 16 P-1000 Vulcan missiles would be 1000% enough to sink those ships that blocked the path, in turn, the Moscow cruiser has 64 S-300 + Osa-M missiles and anti-aircraft machine guns, the Turkish Air Force would have to try very hard to destroy the class Moscow cruiser.

[mvg]

The 1164 Moskva, to put it mildly, has very limited air defense capabilities. On paper, Fort and 64 48H6 rockets look very powerful. Osu-M, let's not count. I studied it for 6 years .. I roughly know what and who can be scared by it.
Really firing no more than 3 targets at ranges up to 90 km. Harpoon has 120 and 180 km. The F4E link will be enough for this guards cruiser. And yet, there is no more air defense in the middle-earth.
And the P-1000 Volcanoes can be kept "for themselves." Moreover, there is clearly a couple with special warheads.
PS: There is no PLO on the cruiser either, there was a phrase somewhere that he (the cruiser) will hear the 209 draft only if the drunken Turks emerge directly below him for an evening prayer ..
BOD 1155 will "leave" after Moscow within the same 20-30 minutes.
During 080808 in the Black Sea Fleet, a "battle" was simulated with the "Orly Burk" located there at that time .. Moscow, the Mirage and the patrol ship were conditionally destroyed.

There, down the OPUS branch, I drew an approximate composition of the Black Sea Fleet at that time. THAT is what then the Turks were afraid of ..

[tehnoluks]

Osu-M let's not count

Isn't it "Wasp" zakhe ... silt Georgian scows 08.08?

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: mvg

During 080808 in the Black Sea Fleet, a "battle" was simulated with the "Orly Burk" located there at that time .. Moscow, the Mirage and the patrol ship were conditionally destroyed.

You want to say that 8 !!! enough harpoons to sink the cruiser Moscow? S-300 at its 90 kilometers will detect and hit these harpoons.

[spravochnik]

Not "something there," but, as it was said, the main caliber, ie AK-130.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: spravochnik

Not "something there," but, as it was said, the main caliber, ie AK-130.

The main caliber is 16 launchers with missiles P-1000 Volcano.

[veksha50]

Quote: spravochnik

Not "something there", аas said main caliber, i.e. AK-130.

That's right, the main caliber ...

It will be necessary, - and the starpom will call for help ...

[CGKS]

maybe you messed up? AK 630 !!!

[mvg]

Isn't it "Wasp" zakhe ... silt Georgian scows 08.08?

Somehow, at the dawn of the rocket era, the United States had such an RIM-8 Talos air defense system, with a vigorous warhead. So he could, foolishly, and take the cruiser .. not that 080808 scow genatsvale ..
Remember the proverb about the balalaika?
Or the film "Solitary Voyage", there, too, the American squadron was "frightened" by "Wasp" ...

[asiat_61]

Well, the woman is excusable, and it was not worth it to focus on this. I am also a land man, and for me a lot in the maritime business, a Chinese letter.

[kepmor]

I bet +, but still this is a naval bike ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

Our commander decided to uncover something there... I think that now, when you try to close the straits, it will be about the same!

Uncover, be sure to uncover ... And show ... the Turks ... where the crayfish hibernate ...

[Armax]

Quote: Diana Ilyina

in the 90s the Turks decided to "show their teeth" and not let "Moscow" through the straits! We set up three ships on the course of "Moscow"! Our commander decided to uncover something there ... in a few minutes the fairway was clear, and there were no enemy ships nearby!

At one time, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR A.A. Gromyko, responding to the threat of the Turks to close the straits, said: "... for the passage in the Mediterranean, the Black Sea Fleet will need only a couple of missile volleys, as a result of which, in addition to the Bosphorus, there will be two more , alas, there will be no Istanbul. "

[DOMINO100]

what Russia has come to. in order to have time to slip through. in order to have time to beg forgiveness from the Turks. in order to have time to sell gas at a bargain price it’s still possible ... damn it, it’s a pity that there are no politicians in Russia like Stalin when he entered !

[Rom14]

Yeah, like that-- you’re on my face, but I won’t buy your tomatoes ... I’ve spent half a day with Georgia, but I decided on an adequate answer, I missed the moment with the Turks .., so it’s possible to slip through , as if again, something unexpected not to get, a shaman or something they took to the General Staff, like an analyst ...

[Sterlya]

Quote: DarkOFF

Perhaps Moscow will be changed.
She has been on duty there for a long time. Yes, and in the Black Sea it would be necessary to return, while there is an opportunity to slip through the Turkish Straits.

Do you seriously assume that the Turks can close the Bosphorus? Then you definitely have to fight seriously.
It seems that the world certainly will not do without the third world.
But then you will not have to leave the geyropa. As always done.
They won and left. But the mattress-beds do not win, they come and stay forever, they push the dead presidents to everyone. With Geyropa it seems impossible otherwise.
And drown the mattress to hell, a good volcano to wake them up.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Sterlya

Do you seriously assume that the Turks can close the Bosphorus?

And that the Turks could shoot down our plane, no one seriously expected until the recent events. How international treaties are "respected" and NATO's right has made it clear to us since the time of the bombing of Serbia (Operation Merciful Angel). last century. Excuse me, but I deeply hope that our headquarters take into account such a "force majeure" and have an algorithm for countering conventional weapons. Otherwise it would not be worth sending our people to the Mediterranean.

[Sterlya]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Quote: Sterlya

Do you seriously assume that the Turks can close the Bosphorus?

And that the Turks could shoot down our plane, no one seriously expected until the recent events. How international treaties are "respected" and NATO's right has made it clear to us since the time of the bombing of Serbia (Operation Merciful Angel). last century. Excuse me, but I deeply hope that our headquarters take into account such a "force majeure" and have an algorithm for countering conventional weapons. Otherwise it would not be worth sending our people to the Mediterranean.

Although yes. From this chock. Moreover, with the support of NATO, something else can be expected. Behind everything, of course, is the United States as an exporter of dead presidents.
The ruble is falling. So the United States is in the black. Everything is simple. And nothing to do with the US economy. All of us depends on the export of dead presidents. Otherwise, they have a polar fox, without these dead.

[veksha50]

Quote: Sterlya

But then you will not have to leave the geyropa.

A good idea ... But for its implementation, this Europe needs to be tipped ...

[Sterlya]

Quote: veksha50

Quote: Sterlya

But then you will not have to leave the geyropa.

A good idea ... But for its implementation, this Europe needs to be tipped ...

Bend for the last time. Not in the first?
These always thought Russia was weak. That colossus is some, that. se

[afdjhbn67]

Quote: DarkOFF

. Yes, and in the Black Sea it would be necessary to return, while there is an opportunity to slip through the Turkish Straits.

Why is this sadness? After all, in the next article you defeated the Turks with your comments ...

[Semen Semyonitch]

Quote: DarkOFF

Yes, and in the Black Sea it would be necessary to return, while there is an opportunity to slip through the Turkish Straits.

Any problems???

[33 Watcher]

It is planned.

[Starover_Z]

All ships of the Pacific Fleet successfully passed the Strait of Malacca and headed for the Indian port of Vishakhapatnam, where joint maneuvers of the fleets of the two countries will be officially opened.

With "training" shooting in the Syrian region?

[mvg]

What job? Guards die?
Do you know that the Mediterranean squadron, even during the times of the mighty USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs, was the first to die? And she was more interesting than "Varyag" and "Fast", both in their fourth decade .. Have pity on the old people. They would have gone to the Indian without serious problems.
Would you like to bet that after this hike, "Fast" will get up for repairs?

[Sterlya]

Quote: mvg

What job? Guards die?
Do you know that the Mediterranean squadron, even during the times of the mighty USSR and the Department of Internal Affairs, was the first to die? And she was more interesting than "Varyag" and "Fast", both in their fourth decade .. Have pity on the old people. They would have gone to the Indian without serious problems.
Would you like to bet that after this hike, "Fast" will get up for repairs?

Why bet it right away? And so it is clear that it’s like retiring to run a marathon.

[Tor5]

Maybe right - a replacement for "Moscow"? And the teachings are for a diversion.

[RUS96]

Sailors of the cruiser "Moscow" off the Syrian coast greeted the sailors of the American destroyer with the anthem of Russia.

[Vikings]

It remains only to wish the team 7 pounds under the keel!

[atk44849]

begins! maybe? and should ? the site has become, _ Kindergarten! got your guesses! Why do you need to know this ?!!!

[Denis Obukhov]

Learning is light! As they say. =)

[maxim1987]

do not want to walk to Syria

[33 Watcher]

They will take a walk, although the sailors are still themselves, do not know for what purpose, but they will go to Mediterranean. Most likely they will really replace "Moscow".

[Vladimirets]

anti-piracy maneuvers in the area of ​​the Strait of Malacca, where numerous pirate groups operate

At that time, the pirates worked out maneuvers on how to hide themselves somewhere while warships pass.

[Proxima]

Quote: Vladimirets

anti-piracy maneuvers in the area of ​​the Strait of Malacca, where numerous pirate groups operate

I agree, it is a little incorrectly written. I imagine a picture: a pirate bot is approaching a missile cruiser, and it begins to maneuver!

[WE ARE MAKING]

ViVa Russia!

[azesm]

so that the Turks immediately drown them all there?
the Turkish fleet is 5 times stronger than the Black Sea. and this is only the Turkish fleet, not counting the whole NATO
thanks to the "reformers"
and there’s nowhere to build new ships for the Black Sea Fleet - thanks to the mergers who merged Nikolaev with his shipyards

[kostya-petrov]

Quote: azesm

the Turkish fleet is 5 times stronger than the Black Sea.

Count the total salvo of C-300F of Moscow and Varyag. Plus the volcano. Plus the fact that our submarines can shoot from under water. And do not deregister the Caspian flotilla.
And also the Bastions and other nyashki coastal troops KChF. Yes, and attack aircraft and bombers are based on the airfields of Crimea.

[Rostovchanin]

the Turkish fleet is 5 times stronger than the Black Sea. and this is only the Turkish fleet, not counting the whole NATO
thanks to the "reformers"

Think very narrowly, the Black Sea Fleet aviation repeatedly covers all their "power", I generally keep quiet about the coastal complexes.
RIA Novosti with reference to the latest Global Firepower Index data. This rating is considered one of the most famous and reputable research in the world.

The study takes into account indicators such as the size of the army, ground systems, air forces, the Navy, the production and consumption of resources in the country, the country's transport infrastructure, financial resources, as well as geographical features.

Russia in this ranking takes the second position after the United States. Turkey ranks 10th after China, India, Britain, France, South Korea, Germany and Japan.

With a total population of 142,47 million people, Russia can mobilize more than 69 million people, Turkey - 41,6 million. At the same time, 15 398 tanks (3 from Turkey), 778 armored personnel carriers (31 from Turkey), 298 self-propelled guns (versus 7), 550 multiple launch rocket systems (versus 5) are in service in Russia.

More than three times Russia surpasses Turkey in the number of Air Force units –3 versus 429, as well as the Navy — Russia currently has 1 units, and Turkey only 020.

[mvg]

If it's not a secret, what do you mean by "Black Sea Fleet aviation"? Two dozen Su-24s? Or, somewhere in the underground vaults, the Death Star is quietly waiting in the wings?
And it is very difficult to scare the Turkish fleet, a couple of Orli Burkov with the "BAL" and "Bastion", and the Romanians will put up something too ..

[Rostovchanin]

If it's not a secret, what do you mean by "Black Sea Fleet aviation"? Two dozen Su-24s? Or, somewhere in the underground vaults, the Death Star is quietly waiting in the wings?

Child to God! two dozen SU-24s with anti-ship missiles can attack without entering the air defense zone of their fleet, bombers are covered not only from Crimean airfields, but from Krymsk and Kushchevskaya airfields ... I’ll just shut up about 30 anti-submarine helicopters ... + this will strengthen everything You can transfer from the SF, Pacific Fleet during the day ... you are my friend just naive ... again, I’m thinking broader

[mvg]

Child to God! two dozen SU-24s with RCC suspension can attack without entering the air defense zone of their fleet, bombers are covered not only from Crimean airfields, but from Krymsk and Kushchevskaya airfields ... I'm just silent about 30 anti-submarine helicopters

Well, that's better and be silent. And at your leisure, so as not to look like an idiot and an urapatriot, spend your precious time and try to find at least one aviation anti-ship missile (which has been adopted) in service with Russia.
What will we drown? And 30 anti-submarine helicopters are a force .. Already knees knock. And the radius of their action? And how much can fly up? And which submarines carry torpedoes? And this despite the fact that the Black Sea theater will be under NATO control ..
Maybe it's better to turn on the TV show "Star" and grunt with delight?

[Rostovchanin]

that is, the X-35 for you is no longer RCC (with a range of 200 km), did you hear anything about the TU-22MZ in the fleet specially sharpened for this purpose?

[mvg]

http://topwar.ru/76289-protivokorabelnaya-raketa-h-35.html
This is about Uranium and its aviation version ..

About Tu-22M3 in Simferopol, I already wrote that as soon as possible .. In the sense that as soon as the airfield is ready to receive, both Tu22, Tu142 and Il will immediately arrive. In the meantime, the Su-24, and helicopters. There is a planned replacement for the Su-30SM. Only the Su-30SM is not able to work on surface targets.
Tu22M3 was "sharpened, sharpened" and not sharpened ...

[opus]

Quote: Rostovchanin

two dozen SU-24 with a suspension of anti-ship missiles

Comrade .. And you are generally in the subject of anti-ship missiles for the SU-24?

X-66 and X-23 (NATO - AS-7 Kerry) tactical guided air-to-surface missiles with a maximum launch range of about 10 km
X-25 (AS-10 Karen) maximum launch range of 7-10 km, X-25MP (40 km)
X-59 "Gadfly" (AS-13 Kingbolt) / FOR visually detectable targets by the operator, shopping mall TKSN "Tekon-1" / 45km, X-59MK (X-59A) up to 285km ... (bad luck, there are none)

USE

Quote: Rostovchanin

without entering the air defense zone of their fleet,

Oh well....
Sure TCG Büyükada (F-512)


processing systems:
GENESIS CMS (BIUS)
SMART-S Mk2 search radar (radar No. 1)
Sonar, GPS, LAN, ECDIS
UniMACS 3000 IPMS (radar number 2)
X-band radar, Fire control radar (radar No. 3)
has only 21 × RAM (PDMS) RIM-116 (Sidewinder AIM-9 child) up to 10 km ...
and F-497TCG "Göksu"

already 32x RIM-66 Standard (SM-1) (up to 167 km) and radar AN / SPS-49, AN / SPS-55

well and the F-247 TCG KEMAL

12x RIM-162 Evolved SeaSparrow Missile (ESSM) (Range 50+ km)
--------------------------------
The Navy is far from dead

[Rostovchanin]

Comrade .. And you are generally in the subject of anti-ship missiles for the SU-24?

And where did you get that information on this should be in the public domain? Judging by the number of videos posted, you stupidly believe YouTube, i.e. what Halwood creates ... well, well ...

[opus]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Judging by the number of videos posted, you stupidly believe YouTube

stupidly believe in something you. I practically held all the products in my hands
I watch videos, often myself, they send a lot (links), what’s shameful here?

Movie, at least some argument,and any more weighty arrogant stupid statement
Type: (calculated on +)

Quote: Rostovchanin

Child to God! two dozen SU-24 with a suspension, anti-ship missiles can attack not entering the air defense zone of their fleet,

Quote: Rostovchanin

Think very narrowly aviation of the Black Sea Fleet repeatedly covers all their "power",

Quote: Rostovchanin

those. what Halwood creates ... well, well ...

Well, brag about what "Mosfilm" or CC "Zvezda" creates
WELL?

[kepmor]

352 versus 115 is "very urapatriotic", but absolutely not true!
If there is an actual "batch" with the Turks, then "God forbid" we at least a hundred from 4 fleets of combat-ready ships (together with SSBNs and SSGNs) to scrape together, not to mention, at the right time to focus them on the Mediterranean theater of operations! Yes, this whole armada is also it is necessary to provide fuel, ammunition, etc., etc., etc.
If everything was so "rosy" with our aircraft, then the reaction to the Su-24 would not be limited to tomatoes and tourists ...

[opus]

Quote: Rostovchanin

Think very narrowly, the Black Sea Fleet aviation repeatedly covers all their "power",

?
43rd Marine Assault Aviation Regiment (Saki). (Su-24, Su-30SM): TWO squadrons - Su-24 and Su-24MR. In early January, the first THREE Su-30SM (and TWO) were transferred to the regiment.

318th Mixed Aviation Regiment (Kacha). (An-26, Ka-27PS / PL / 29, Be-12): four Be-12s taken from storage and repaired in Taganrog, UAV Orlan-10 regiment

At the Belbek airport, the 38th fighter aviation regiment is stationed. It consists of two squadrons with aircraft Su-27SM3, Su-30M2, Su-27P, Su-27UB

TURKEY (and this for 2009, not 2015):
THIRD NATO Air Force !!!!

34 an aerodrome with an artificial runway, including one with a runway longer than 3 m, one -000 m, eight from 2 to 500 m and one up to 900 m, as well as six helipads.
1 and 2 SO. In total, there are 21 aviation squadrons (ai) in it: eight fighter-bomber, seven fighter air defense, two reconnaissance and four combat training + 11 aux.
more than 200 F-16C and D aircraft and about 200 F-4E and F-4F, and F-5.
15th anti-aircraft missile base, which are in service with 72 launchers SAM "Nike-Hercules", 84 Rapira anti-aircraft missile systems and 704 anti-aircraft artillery (ZA) guns, Zipkin air defense systems (70 units) and Atylgan (78 units)

early warning radar subsystem (Peace Eagle project) based on four AWACS aircraft and Boeing 737-700 aviation control (AWACS) (not in the know, have you already implemented it? Should have been in 2010)

Quote: Rostovchanin

, about coastal complexes generally silent.

BC will only help for the defense of the coast, with the "liberation" of the straits and the action "forcing the peace take # 2" they are useless.

[Rostovchanin]

34 aerodromes with an artificial runway, including one with runways longer than 3 m, one -000 m, eight from 2 to 500 m and one up to 900 m, as well as six helipads.
1 and 2 SO. In total, there are 21 aviation squadrons (ai) in it: eight fighter-bomber, seven fighter air defense, two reconnaissance and four combat training + 11 aux.
more than 200 F-16C and D aircraft and about 200 F-4E and F-4F, and F-5.

Do you think that only the fleet will fight? and their airfields and aviation will always be whole?

31st Fighter Aviation Regiment — MiG-29, Su-30SM (Millerovo) (rearmament on the Su-30SM)
3rd Guards Fighter Aviation Regiment - Su-27 (SM3 / S / P), Su-30M2, Ka-27 (Krymsk)
960th assault aviation regiment - Su-25, Su-25SM (Primorsko-Akhtarsk)
368th assault aviation regiment - Su-25, Su-25SM (Budennovsk)
559th Bomber Aviation Regiment - Su-34 (Morozovsk)
11th separate reconnaissance aviation regiment - Su-24MR (Marinovka)
535th Separate Transport Combined Aviation Regiment - Tu-134, An-12, An-26, L-410 (Rostov)
The 393rd Aviation Base of the Sevastopol Army Aviation, 2nd category - Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-28N, Mi-35M, Ka-52 (Korenovsk)
546th Army Aviation Base - Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-26, Mi-28N, Mi-35M (Rostov)
387th Army Aviation Base - Mi-8, Mi-24, Mi-28N, Mi-35M (Budennovsk)
16th Army Aviation Brigade - Mi-8AMTSH, Mi-26, Mi-28, Mi-8 MTPR-1 (Zernograd)

It’s just offhand, only one 4 army deployed in our South, not counting the Crimean airfields

in the division 4 divisions S-300, 2 divisions S-400, 2 divisions Buk-M1:
1537th Kuban anti-aircraft missile regiment Red Banner Regiment (Novorossiysk) - 1 S-300PM, 2 S-400;
1721st anti-aircraft missile regiment (Novomikhaylovsky) - 2 "Buk" air defense missiles;
1536th Anti-aircraft Missile Order of the Red Star Don Cossack Regiment (Rostov-on-Don) - 3th S-300PM;

51th division of the same 4 air defense army again without Crimea
and I’m indignant how the F-4 is put up as a super plane, and after all, most of them are armed with Turkey.

[opus]

Quote: Rostovchanin

and their airfields and aviation will always be whole?

aviation will fight, the fleet will protect the straits and the coast. (This is an axiom for TVMS)

Quote: Rostovchanin

31st Fighter Aviation Regiment — MiG-29, Su-30SM (Millerovo) (rearmament on the Su-30SM)

You already decide:

Quote: Rostovchanin

Black Sea Fleet aviation repeatedly covers all their "power

or all the Russian Aerospace Forces.
except for chocks, there are many more troubles:

Quote: Rostovchanin

and I’m indignant how the F-4 is put up as a super plane, and after all, most of them are armed with Turkey.

208 or more F-16s (almost all Block50 +)

the rest of the F-5

(F-4E was in 2009 almost 7 years passed)

F-4E is still quite, quite

[mvg]

early warning radar subsystem (Peace Eagle project) based on four AWACS aircraft and Boeing 737-700 aviation control (AWACS) (not in the know, have you already implemented it? Should have been in 2010)

Boeing has supplied Turkey with the third Peace Eagle aircraft for early warning and control (AWACS). 11.09.14/XNUMX/XNUMX

The plane arrived at Konya Air Force Base. This was announced by the Boeing company. The fourth AWACS aircraft is planned to be delivered to Turkey in 2015.

In addition to the Boeing aircraft, Peace Eagle will supply ground support equipment, crew training equipment and technical support equipment.

[Wlad]

Dear, you are probably an accountant ... Divide all the numbers you give by 5-10, especially with regards to the mob. resource, tanks, navy and get real numbers. Especially about the mob. resource pleased ... 69 million. What is this? The male population, including minors, pensioners, convicts, people with disabilities, drug addicts, draft dodgers, sons of bosses living in other countries, etc., etc. ??? Divide by 10 ...

[Rostovchanin]

Dear, you are probably an accountant ... Divide all the numbers you give by 5-10, especially with regards to the mob. resource, tanks, navy and get real numbers. Especially about the mob. resource pleased ... 69 million. What is this? The male population, including minors, pensioners, convicts, people with disabilities, drug addicts, draft dodgers, sons of bosses living in other countries, etc., etc. ??? Divide by 10 ...

I gave you the assessment of one of the "respected" agencies, by the way there is a link to it, but where did you get the idea that their power cannot be divided by 10?

[mvg]

Yesterday there was one person, said a good phrase. Just for you ..
What is that type (quote):
One must be patriots, but one cannot be stupid patriots.
And stupid patriots do more harm than any liberals, cosmopolitans and traitors.

Have you ever gathered where and whom to shoot? Yes, and all in a heap, and RCC, and SP and RBU ..
It remains to add a cartridge, the one in the barrel of the 1st rank cap, to the second burst weight.

[opus]

Quote: kostya-petrov

Count the total volley S-300F of Moscow and Varyag.

How can the S-300F help against the Turkish Navy?
16 + 16 "Volcano" of course good

Quote: kostya-petrov

Plus the fact that our submarines can shoot from under water. And do not deregister the Caspian flotilla.

Nuclear submarine?
one diesel and one nuclear submarine in the Mediterranean Sea, one diesel submarine in the Black Sea

Nothing will "fly" from the Caspian (ZM-14 cannot attack ships)

Quote: kostya-petrov

And also the Bastions and other nyashki coastal troops KChF.

Where will the bastions from the Crimea get? up to 1/2 FM?
For your information:

[SPLV]

Quote: kostya-petrov

other nyashki

Here is the minus for this.

[msm]

Tomorrow Putin must say: Everything, on such and such a date, a new countdown begins. It is forbidden to steal everyone. Who did not have time, he was late. We are not stealing anymore. Enough for us already ... This will be the case!

[ydjin]

Quote: msm

Tomorrow Putin must say: Everything, on such and such a date, a new countdown begins. It is forbidden to steal everyone. Who did not have time, he was late. We are not stealing anymore. Enough for us already ... This will be the case!

Your words ... Our former governor Khoroshavin stole 3 lard with back-breaking labor in the governor's field! So his relatives filed a lawsuit! That all the wealth appropriated by hard work should be divided among family members and only Khoroshavin's share should be kept under arrest, and the rest should be returned to family members and relatives! Where is the guarantee that the judge will not come to an understanding with the poor and "unfairly" disadvantaged relatives?

[TURAR]

It is high time to issue a license for a "warning" to CheKists. I went to a jar of green stuff on the table and put "warned".

[Ribwort]

Quote: msm

We are not stealing anymore. Enough for us already ...

Enough is enough for you, but apparently they don’t have much ...

[Rrrj]

Quote: msm

We are not stealing anymore. Enough for us already ... This will be the case!

It would be cool...

[SPACE]

Quote: AGAIN

the Turkish fleet is 5 times stronger than the Black Sea

))) one volley of the GRK Moscow can, with a probability of 90%, completely drown the 2 / 3 of Turkey's most combat-ready surface vessels, and this does not take into account calibers, yachts and uranium ...

[kote119]

Well, you painted, not Moscow Regional Committee and Moscow, but the imperial death star is direct, why does it so vigorously awaken the Janissary pelvis to drown in such numbers?

[SPACE]

Quote: kote119

Well, you painted, not Moscow Regional Committee and Moscow, but the imperial death star is direct, why does it so vigorously awaken the Janissary pelvis to drown in such numbers?

GRK Moscow with 16 supersonic anti-ship missiles Basalt.
Turkish Navy Frigates of the type MEKO 200 frigate developed by the German shipbuilding campaign 8 pcs are the newest and 8 Perry Olives are ancient as a hafno mammoth, American vessels, which are damaged even by anti-aircraft missiles, they have nothing more to do, except for shallow submarines with a torpedo weapons)))

[kepmor]

Nuuu ... from "space" it is certainly more visible, probably ...?
Thank God that such "cosmonauts" are not hired by the General Staff, otherwise they would "have fought in delight already"!

[kote119]

1. Moscow cruiser is also old
2. the Ottomans have a cool, well-balanced fleet, in which there are many relatively new ships, and very new
3. their submarines are no worse than our dpl and they are slightly larger
4.All this case is covered by a powerful air defense group, and aviation
5. Ottomans to one degree or another can attract NATO resources
6.

Quote: SPACE

American vessels that are damaged even by anti-aircraft missiles

and our Moscow can’t be pushed through this business?
7. How long is the Volcano enough?

[KaPToC]

1 Yeah, newer frigates like Oliver Perry.
2 Ships of the second and third rank.
3 Worse
4 Powerful but very old.
5 How are Georgians?
6 In war as in war
7 16 + 16 if the Varangian comes, in general, Volcanoes are against a more serious enemy, but they can be used because of their obsolescence, so to speak, to be used with benefit.

[mvg]

What do you smoke? Share the supplier ... Also, sometimes, I want to escape from reality. And vodka is already tired ..

[kostya-petrov]

Quote: azesm

and there’s nowhere to build new ships for the Black Sea Fleet - thanks to the mergers who merged Nikolaev with his shipyards

Six TFRs of the 11356 project are under construction. Three are already lowered and are being tested.
six patrol patrol ships of the 22160 project
six RTOs of the 21631 project. Two are already in Sevastopol.
six diesel-electric submarines of the 0636.3 project. Four are already taken by the fleet.
Plus one more corvette of the 20385 project.

[kepmor]

For the North, the Baltic and the Pacific Fleet, at least something would have been left ... Again, all in one heap "sofa" piled ...

[Taranchello]

What are you carrying??? What 5 times ??? What are you about??? If the total displacement is possible, but the combat potential is approximate parity with an advantage in our direction, and if we also take into account our coastal aviation with the transfer of Tu-22M3 to the Crimea, then the Turks can finally catch them ...

[mvg]

You do not confuse Turkey with Georgia? Did the Tu22M3 really fly to Simferopol?
At the Black Sea Fleet combat-ready 3-4 ships.
121 GRK "Moscow", 810 TFR "Smetlivy",
152 BOD "Nikolay Filchenkov", 713 BOD "Kerch",
bark "Kruzenshtern", 156 BDK "Yamal", 615 RKVP "Bora", 059 MPK "Aleksandrovets",
617 MRK "Mirage", 052 PSKR "Pearl", 913 minesweeper "Kovrovets", 952 missile boat "R-109".

And BALLS and BASTIONS are, rather, protection from landing ships. For Berks, this is breakfast.

[kote119]

bpk "Kerch" seems to be decommissioned in 2014

[kepmor]

Go to the Black Sea Fleet and say it "naval", if in the face after your words out of anger they will not give you, consider you "rattle" very lucky!

[Aleksandr72]

Turks warships with the flag of St. Andrew drowned and drowned mainly in their dreams, but in movies. A typical plot of a Turkish film about the Russian-Turkish war at sea: the sea, close-up - a sailing ship under the St. Andrew’s flag, teams in Turkish on almost the same sailing boat but under a red banner with a crescent. Gun salvos. Again close-up - fragments of a tree and St. Andrew's flag on the waves. Dreaming is not bad. But even being stronger in naval composition, the Turks will not go to an open confrontation with the Russian fleet - the gut is thin, they remember Ushakov and Spiridov no worse than us, they just hide it, and the Turkish intelligence group is probably more aware of the powerful grouping of Russian troops in Crimea ordinary Russian, even if he lives in the Crimea. But to arrange a provocation, and even with the approval of NATO and Washington - it is easy, the Turks with the occupation of Constantinople adopted the Byzantine treachery. The story of the Su-24 and the Turkish-European hysteria around it only confirms this.
I have the honor.

[spravochnik]

Why is there nowhere to build? Yes, they lost Nikolaev. But Kerch and Feodosia were purchased. The Kerch plant Zaliv at one time built the BSCR pr.1135 ("Getman Sagaidachny" is their job) and has a dry dock, you can even build aircraft carriers.

[mvg]

Aircraft carriers? Probably small, the size of "Sagaidachny", and we will launch small, BUT marine quadrocopters in the pond .. which we will glue from designers sent by mail from China ..

[Serhio]

Strength is not measured by displacement. According to the technical specifications, the Russian fleet is clearly stronger.

[axel320]

Please tell me who knows. Are tugboats necessarily in this kind of squad? And as part of the carrier strike group, the mattresses also have a tug? I am not saying anything. I just ask the knowledgeable.

[kote119]

Yes, this is a real need, a long-range hike, old ships, there are no support points along the way. Navy mattresses all over the world.

[hrapon]

Quote: axel320

Please tell me who knows. Are tugboats necessarily in this kind of squad? And as part of the carrier strike group, the mattresses also have a tug? I am not saying anything. I just ask the knowledgeable.

Required. "Alatau" rescue and towing vessel. It is also intended for extinguishing fires.

The mattresses also have them in the AUG.

[spravochnik]

Americans have no SB in the warrant. And we have been present for some time, and often, unfortunately, they do not stand idle without work, because We often have problems with boiler turbine plants.

[dchegrinec]

That's right! Syria and Turkey alone do not need to go in cycles! Russia must act everywhere! And with India and with China and walking off the coast of the USA.

[NEXUS]

Most likely, the group of our ships will most likely include Vashavyanka equipped with Caliber in order to keep the Turkish submarines in sight, and if a direct confrontation with Turkey starts, work on the ground targets of the Turks. And as I said, a destroyer near the Turkish border would not Apparently Varyag is going to replace Moscow, and a group under the flagship of this cruiser will strengthen the grouping of ships off the Syrian-Turkish coast.

[Sergey S.]

Quote: NEXUS

Most likely, the group of our ships probably includes Vashavyanka equipped with Caliber in order to keep ...

If they are coming from Vladivostok, then atomic "Shuki" should accompany ...

[Wolka]

in Yemen, however, it would be necessary to glance, well, so replenish the supply of fresh water and something else to work out ...

[samara-58]

In! They haven’t shot from the Indian ... We are waiting !!!

[Dezinto]

About the Turks and their roles in world history:

[DAYMAN]

Interesting ... Caliber from Vishakhapatnam to the Turkish border will fly?

[veksha50]

In fact, I never tire of being surprised at the "tolerance" of the Indians ...

Weapons are being bought - all kinds of things ...

Joint exercises with whom they just do not conduct ...

A thought creeps in: do they have any kind of geopolitical interests and goals?

[voyaka uh]

"Do they [Indians] have any geopolitical interests and goals at all?" ////

To have a geopolitical goal is not to quarrel with everyone and
rely only on your army.
Wise states enter into the widest possible alliances or
cooperate with as many states as possible.
Then, in any situation, someone will help and
you can continue to trade with someone.

[mvg]

don't mean to quarrel with everyone and
rely only on your army.
Wise states enter into the widest possible alliances or
cooperate with as many states as possible.
Then, in any situation, someone will help and
you can continue to trade with someone.

I know that not all Jews are equally good. But these are good words.
Better than Russia - the navel of the Earth and we will all blame ..

[YaMZ-238]

And get it from the Indian Ocean, if necessary ....))

[uge.garik]

... As a preventive measure - with "poplars", "maces" in the bases and capitals of NATO countries - preemptive .., but not nuclear - to subtract, retouch the remains ... Maybe then the world will become more adequate ...

[oleg46]

Well, at least "Moscow" to change at the post, and then - bread! Everyone (almost) writes here about a possible confrontation between the RRC and the Turkish fleet. It seems to me, nevertheless, that our sailors are real heroes in the full sense of the word, because they understand that if everything starts "seriously" they have almost no chance of staying alive. It's my opinion. Although, maybe I'm wrong. I would very much like to be mistaken here.

[gridasov]

Everything may not look like rotation, but like exposing your flanks in front of the enemy pretending to be asleep. History has shown more than once that agreements on friendship and non-aggression are always a reason to violate them in the near future. Nobody wants to see Russia not only strong and developing, but even just calm. Too "tidbit" for almost all countries in the world. The line of "jackals" has already lined up.

[tolmachiev51]

History does not teach us anything !!! What idiot had the idea to send bombers without cover ???? .... this would not have happened, we expose ourselves. So it is with the "Moscow" - "poplar on ivy! There are worthy weapons, I do not argue, but it is designed for naval combat. And it is not clear how much" in one person "he can hold out against the same submarines ???? And where is the guarantee that our stupid heads will not make a "joke", as with the MIL. The war on the "couch" is certainly a serious thing, but the realities are much worse.

[Evgeniy667b]

Played out Russia with arms sales. Aircraft, submarines, surface ships, tanks, etc., Just imagine nothing, and when you need to create a group, they themselves have practically nothing. If only the slop fleet was shaken, and even that had long been plundered by various metal workers. But then how many people at VO proved that they trade everything, profit is sacred! The State Department has done its job! Paid agents of influence. And our military now needs to think a few moves ahead and proceed from what we have. And to hell with all the concluded contracts. Who does not agree, excommunicate.

[gridasov]

To proceed from the fact that we have this direct defeat in the confrontation. Because the technologies are equal for everyone, but in aggregate, Russia is not able to withstand everyone who is in the active phase of the confrontation and in the passive. This means that superiority can only be achieved with qualitatively new types of weapons, both in terms of power and efficiency. So those few who were still perceived as inventors with crazy ideas should be in demand. Of course, if there are any, they offer sound ideas.

[Evgeniy667b]

All this is understandable, but TIME !!! We practically do not have it. Of course you should not sit back, you need to go to the end and do not spray. Do not squander created weapons. Export to India, what to water sand, nothing at all. This is for example.

[gridasov]

Analyzing the developing events, one can observe such a state as before a street fight. The enemy is "less important". By their actions and statements, they show their insecurity. In short, no one takes responsibility for decisive action. They benefit from opposition, but at the same time they know what they can lose and would not want to upset the balance. The Americans, of course, provoke everyone to action, but not the Turks. no one else is capable of this determination. In general, everyone understands that they will not be able to win and "blitz krieg" will not work, and a long war for them is a collapse. Therefore, there is no time, but there is always that small period that stretches over many decades. This means that it is impossible to stop and it is necessary to speed up the development of precisely fundamental types of weapons. And than . Such a confrontation has always been an impetus for decisive actions by the elites to develop innovations that are not even paid attention to in peacetime.