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How did grant grandees decide to use truckers ’protest actions?

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From recent:
RBC: “Truckers came to protest in Novosibirsk with shorts in their hands.”


Novosibirsk news: "The truckers took off their last pants."

Urban Internet portal of Kirov:
"The Kirov truckers riot: the very first thing that will rise in price is food."

kp40.ru: “Truckers staged a protest in Kaluga.”

How did grant grandees decide to use truckers ’protest actions?


Pravda32:
“Bryansk truckers held a picket against Plato.

Rosbalt: "Truckers block routes in the south of St. Petersburg."

In general, the list of such publications can go on and on.

Reference Information:
The system “Plato” (abbreviation of the phrase “payment per ton”) is a system for collecting payments from trucks with an allowed maximum mass of more than 12 tons. It was announced that from November of the current year, 15 is implementing a similar system to compensate for the damage caused by the movement of multi-ton trucks on the roadway within the Russian Federation. Until February, the 2016 fee is paid at the rate of 1,53 RUB / km, then a two-fold increase in the fee is planned - up to 3,06 RUB / km.

The Platon system is implemented and controlled by RT-Invest Transport Systems, whose 25% shares are owned by Rostec State Corporation, and the share of private investors is 75%.

If the owner of the truck does not pay for the system “Plato”, then fines await him: 40 thousand rubles for individual entrepreneurs, 450 thousand rubles for legal entities. Earlier it was reported about the collection of fines and drivers, but the Ministry of Transport such statements, which appeared in the press, refuted.

It should be noted that the very idea of ​​introducing “pay per ton” appeared more than two years ago, when the government came to the conclusion that the number of trucks registered in the Russian Federation (at that time about 1,72 million) and transit freight vehicles (about half a million) weight over 12 tons leads to serious consequences for the transport infrastructure, and they (the consequences) are not covered by the collection of the transport tax for such vehicles. As a result, the experience of several European countries (for example, Germany) was taken and that Plato appeared, which excited both the owners of heavy trucks (business representatives) and ordinary truckers.

It is possible to understand both of them. Indeed, it is difficult for representatives of the “long-range” sphere to remain calm if the new system is capable of bringing additional costs to almost all types of entrepreneurship, somehow connected with the need for automobile freight. New costs can lead to the so-called “optimization” of both the budget of entrepreneurs and the income of drivers (significantly or not so significantly), and this in turn can lead to higher prices. That is why it is necessary to develop an optimal solution with the involvement of interested parties in the discussion. And this decision, in which, as they say, all the sisters are in earrings. Finding a compromise in this situation is extremely important.

However, in this situation, attention is drawn to the fact that due to the spin of truckers during protest actions, forces begin to appear that have nothing to do with the freight industry. But the absence of any relation to the system of “long-range” and entrepreneurial activity connected with it does not prevent these “mysterious” persons from expressing, perhaps, much more dissatisfaction with the notorious “Plato” than the discontent expressed by the truck drivers themselves. And we are talking not so much about the dissatisfaction of “mysterious people”, as about their obvious desire to rake up the heat with someone else’s hands - to provoke truck drivers to new, even more large-scale actions under the slogans like “Go to Moscow!” "Give 100 trucks under the walls of the Kremlin!" And all in the same spirit.

Evidence that the truckers ’protest action is being tried to use in their own interests people who really care about the fate of the truckers themselves and their employers from the Russian business environment are interesting photos. On the eve, such a collage of several photos appeared on the Internet, for example:



As can be seen, a blond girl appeared in the medium of truckers, who was previously noticed both at the meeting of the RPR-Parnas political council and at the “Progress Party” meeting chaired by Mr. Navalny, and even in the New York City Hall.

Lively interest in the problems of truckers showed, as it turns out, Mr. Navalny himself. Somewhere in the intervals between the urge for interest in the personality of the Prosecutor General of the Russian Federation and the statements of the President of Turkey, Mr. Navalny suddenly expressed concern about the situation with the introduction of a system of payment for the operation of the roadway by heavy loads. Yes, as expressed! Immediately with appeals almost to the barricades! .. The Moscow branch of the Progress Party decided to organize "mobile teams of legal assistance to truckers", as the party leader told everyone Mr. Navalny:

I also inform you that the Moscow branch of the Party of Progress yesterday decided to organize mobile legal aid teams for truckers on the 30 number. We will protect their rights in conflicts with "law enforcement agencies", if such are.


Moreover, the chief forest specialist in Russia decided to write an appeal to truckers and prepared a series of leaflets. And will there be any performances with an armored car?



Naturally, the Dozhd TV channel and other representatives of the media with an original orientation were involved in forcing the situation. In their plots, in principle, no one specifically talks about what Plato is, and that such a system operates in a number of countries, including Austria, Belarus, Hungary and Germany (by the way, the same liberal "comrades" like to compare the roads of Germany with the roads of the Russian Federation ...), but in these plots there is one promise: everyone, you understand, rebel, no discussions and compromises - drive trucks to Moscow! ..

And this is Sergei Gulyaev, who declared himself coordinator of the protests of long-distance truckers in St. Petersburg, and his appeal to the "coordinated".



And who is friends with Mr. Gulyaev? Well, for example ...



As you can see, Gulyaev feels great in the company of a man who brings proposals for sanctions lists in relation to the Russian Federation overseas ...

In many ways, personally to me (the author of the material), this resembles the situation with the problems of the presence of nickel deposits in the area of ​​the Khopersky Reserve. One of the companies expressed a desire to lead the development of the field, which was discovered during Soviet times. Then the mind had enough reserve zone not to destroy. In our time, the question has become acute. In the Volgograd and Voronezh regions, genuinely popular protests began against the very possibility of mining nickel on Voronezh chernozems feeding millions of Russians (and not only Russians) with bread. But the moment came when popular protests suddenly attempted to “saddle” all those workers from the camp of all kinds of Parnassians and Pegasuses. In the cities, under the guise of “We Are Against Nickel”, meetings of Yabloko and Progressors began to gather. Under this shop, even the followers of Mr. Mavrodi decided to get close again “closer to the people”, and their flags began to appear in the crowd of protesters.

In general, what it is all about ... Besides, in this situation, people who are really interested in settling the situation with the introduction of a payment for heavy loads and in search of a compromise in general should think carefully and still learn how to separate flies from cutlets. If the forces that feed on NCOs with other agents or act as grant eaters and perceive the same truckers only as a tool, are going to stick to the protests, then you need to understand who benefits from it, and draw appropriate conclusions on this basis ...
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  1. Gavril
    Gavril 2 December 2015 05: 32
    21
    They scared the hedgehog with his bare ass whahaha, the trucker is, first of all, a real tough man, and that is why such types as bulk do not come to protest actions themselves to "lead", because no trucker will miss such a good opportunity to kick those in the face
    1. Shick
      Shick 2 December 2015 05: 42
      29
      Plato introduces Rostec .. so .. and where do we Serdyukov now working?))
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 2 December 2015 05: 46
        20
        He essentially has nothing to do with Rostec (under the guise of Rostec and the national security) he was sold OUTSIDE THE COMPETITION to the Rotenbergs.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 07: 14
          27
          Quote: Megatron
          OUT OF COMPETITION

          They are trying to discredit the protest that really affects us all by sticking a label to them - the fifth column ..
          And in this Plato, after all, there is a function of accounting for any car .. so soon we can also ask for a small share for something and it does not matter under what pretext ...
          1. gaura
            gaura 2 December 2015 07: 42
            23
            Speak correctly! There is a problem of slurred, but large requisitions by a PRIVATE person, and the author blamed everything on the Parnassians. Those. now people have to sit and not pick, because the Parnassians will say something there? Or then Fedorov, playing the public, will declare 5 a column of all. Already well done in general, for many years he has been broadcasting about American agents in power and has not given a single surname during this time. In addition to Kasyanov, even after Kasyanov left office.
            The author of the article deprives people of the opportunity to protest, amazing nonsense
            1. ICT
              ICT 2 December 2015 08: 16
              +5
              Quote: gaura
              to the public Fedorov will declare all 5 column


              and here, somehow on YouTube, I crossed with his supporter (just asked a couple of questions to his comments), I was immediately assigned a shortcut


              
              national traitor. You are my friend.


              lol
              1. Burmistr
                Burmistr 2 December 2015 10: 10
                17
                The people, this is 100% corruption, as well as suddenly toll roads (for example, on M4) and all that! It is built for budget money. Private offices are rowing profits !!! The crumbs are returning to the budget! You can verify that the same scheme is here:

                The Platon system is implemented and controlled by RT-Invest Transport Systems, whose 25% shares are owned by Rostec State Corporation, and the share of private investors is 75%.


                The question arises: what will go to the budget?
                If the crumbs go there, then it is obvious that the scheme is corrupt. And the hedgehog is clear that prices for everything will only increase. It reminds a pre-revolutionary picture when the passions of the people were heated artificially.

                Note that a lot of money is withdrawn from the owner of the car: transport tax, levies are also included in the cost of fuel (which does not cost so much, how much they charge for it), toll roads, etc. Today there are no working brakes for "our" people in power circles.

                It is strange that the FSB does not deal with all this. Although, individual employees may be engaged, but only in their own favor, and not in favor of the state.
                1. bastard
                  bastard 2 December 2015 10: 53
                  +7
                  Quote: Burmeister
                  It is strange that the FSB does not deal with all this. Although, individual employees may be engaged, but only in their own favor, and not in favor of the state.

                  The FSB is doing just that, except, as you rightly pointed out, some employees. And about the benefits to the state. . .
                  Previously, this organization was called the KGB - the State Security Committee, and tapericha - the federal security service (security of whom? Why? Where?). As the saying goes, feel the difference.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 2 December 2015 10: 54
                    0
                    Quote: villain
                    security of whom? why? Where?

                    Federation damn it! laughing
                    1. bastard
                      bastard 2 December 2015 11: 20
                      +3
                      Quote: Down House
                      Federation damn it!

                      Then the federals, the service is federal.
                      Reminded a joke:
                      The Armenian radio is asked:
                      - Who is better, Armenian or Georgian?
                      - Kaneshno is an Armenian!
                      “What's better?”
                      - Than Georgians!
                      smile
                      1. MP7
                        MP7 2 December 2015 12: 31
                        -4
                        Why did hundreds of rapes and other crimes get away with the gang of a hoe?

                        This organized crime group was covered by the wife of the Deputy Prosecutor General of Russia (for spinning business).

                        Bulk investigation (with proofs).

                      2. Down House
                        Down House 2 December 2015 12: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: MP7
                        Bulk investigation

                        Dontsova is resting laughing
                      3. Hon
                        Hon 2 December 2015 13: 02
                        +3
                        Quote: Down House
                        Dontsova is resting

                        maybe resting. but who besides Navalny somehow investigates corruption schemes?
                      4. Down House
                        Down House 2 December 2015 13: 13
                        0
                        Quote: Hon
                        but who besides Navalny at least somehow investigates corruption schemes

                        Authorized bodies of state power.
                        And not only investigate, but also excite and plant!
                        And so far Analny only received a term for his own "corruption schemes" laughing
                      5. Belousov
                        Belousov 2 December 2015 13: 50
                        11
                        They probably only excite themselves secretly. And about planting it you better ask Vasilyeva with Serdyukov.
                      6. Hon
                        Hon 2 December 2015 13: 55
                        +7
                        Quote: Down House
                        Authorized bodies of state power.
                        And not only investigate, but also excite and plant!
                        And so far Analny has only received a term for his own "corruption schemes.

                        great they certainly excited, Serdyukov put, not only on the bunks, but in a warm chair. the main thing is that they planted it.
                        Here Navalny recently dug up information on the sons of the RF Prosecutor General. I wonder how this will be investigated, our "valiant" authorized bodies.
                        By the way, some troubled thing with Navalny. it seems that he received the term and did not receive it, for some reason only Navalny was attracted, but where are Bilykh? in the chair of the governor.
                      7. Down House
                        Down House 2 December 2015 23: 21
                        -3
                        Quote: Hon
                        great they certainly excited, Serdyukov planted

                        And on this, apparently, your knowledge of corruption in the Russian Federation ends ?!
                        About 5700 convicted in 2014 "for a bribe" are you not fond of ?!
                        You probably haven't heard about the same "gambling business" and "Horoshavin business" ?!
                        But Serdyukov is everything to us! laughing
                      8. Hon
                        Hon 3 December 2015 11: 13
                        +3
                        Quote: Down House
                        You probably haven't heard about the same "gambling business" and "Horoshavin business" ?!

                        I heard about a gambling case, then the prosecutor was extradited from Poland, but he was not put in prison, the arrest and prosecution were declared unlawful. that’s the whole point. The skrynnik was even afraid to touch. Who is Vasilieva and what is famous for in the course? Well Serdukov there Chubais and others. Yes, even to take Kasyanov, is that also nothing to do with him? our authorized body, hand-made mongrels, to whom the owner will authorize them to do so and yap
              2. MP7
                MP7 2 December 2015 13: 10
                -3
                Quote: Down House
                Dontsova is resting laughing

                Bulk leads scans from official extracts business founders and property owners, both in Russia and abroad.

                Documents: https://chaika.navalny.com
              3. MP7
                MP7 2 December 2015 13: 12
                -5
                Quote: Down House
                Dontsova is resting laughing
                Listen, Down, when your wife is raped, and the prosecutor’s office shuts down this case, then you’ll crow.
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              5. MP7
                MP7 2 December 2015 13: 46
                10 th
                Quote: Kaccad
                more careful

                Fuck you! What a fucking thing!

                You will see Gavnyuk in the mirror.
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              7. MP7
                MP7 2 December 2015 14: 14
                -4
                Keep your blue fantasies to yourself.
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              9. Kaccad
                Kaccad 2 December 2015 14: 17
                0
                All citizens, I sleep, the cock crowed twice already lol
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        3. vlavek
          vlavek 2 December 2015 16: 27
          +1
          Kaccad and what are you doing except climbing on this site?
        4. Kaccad
          Kaccad 2 December 2015 16: 59
          +3
          Thanks for the question. But somehow, it’s strange that it was you who were interested in it. Although no, not strange. fool
          Quote: vlavek
          vlavek RU October 12, 2015 17:47 | "Occupied."

          Would join NATO and live in peace
    2. grandson of Perun
      grandson of Perun 2 December 2015 13: 53
      10
      I’m embarrassed to ask: what is the connection between Navalny (which Down House is talking about) and the prosecutor’s office (which you are talking about)?
      PS: I've been looking closely at Navalny's "sources of information" for a long time. IMHO, he does not conduct any investigations, but receives information from his overseas curators, who, through the NSA, monitor the whole world. That is why Navalny very narrowly "fights against corruption", without noticing it in the ranks of the "oppositionists" feeding in the West.
    3. Kaccad
      Kaccad 2 December 2015 14: 09
      +1
      So the main thing here is not to "objectively illuminate", but to shout loudly. And if suddenly not on those, then another "right-fighter" will be found quickly.
    4. MP7
      MP7 2 December 2015 14: 17
      -3
      Quote: Perun's grandson
      and what is the connection between Navalny (which Down House is talking about) and the prosecutor's office (which you are talking about)?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXYQbgvzxdM

      https://chaika.navalny.com
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  4. inpu
    inpu 2 December 2015 15: 06
    0
    Quote: Down House
    Quote: MP7
    Bulk investigation

    Dontsova is resting laughing

    I like this. Still, the population develops immunity from bulk and all forms of the maidan of the brain.
  • Yars
    Yars 2 December 2015 15: 49
    -1
    Quote: Burmeister
    The people, this is 100% corruption, as well as suddenly toll roads (for example, on M4) and all that! It is built for budget money. Private offices are rowing profits !!! The crumbs are returning to the budget! You can verify that the same scheme is here:

    The Platon system is implemented and controlled by RT-Invest Transport Systems, whose 25% shares are owned by Rostec State Corporation, and the share of private investors is 75%.


    The question arises: what will go to the budget?
    If the crumbs go there, then it is obvious that the scheme is corrupt. And the hedgehog is clear that prices for everything will only increase. It reminds a pre-revolutionary picture when the passions of the people were heated artificially.

    Note that a lot of money is withdrawn from the owner of the car: transport tax, levies are also included in the cost of fuel (which does not cost so much, how much they charge for it), toll roads, etc. Today there are no working brakes for "our" people in power circles.

    It is strange that the FSB does not deal with all this. Although, individual employees may be engaged, but only in their own favor, and not in favor of the state.

    As for the "big" taxes in Russia, I advise you at the beginning to look at the evropeiskie taxes, especially at the road tolls since this is a question! So dear, for example, to drive a car with a trailer through Poland (about 800 km), you have to pay $ 100 !!!!! Payment for trucks is several times higher !!! If you want to have good roads, then you shouldn't whine, as the price is ridiculous, especially for truckers !!!
    1. cheega69
      cheega69 2 December 2015 18: 29
      +9
      Compare European prices and ours, of course you can, but until you look at the map. And what catches your eye right away is the distance. For the time that you can travel all of Europe, you can not leave the region. The prices of train tickets, air transportation, and now also the fare do not contribute to the unification of the country, but to isolation in their region. The question is, how many children from Siberia, from the Urals can afford a trip to Moscow (the capital of his country), Peter, not to mention Kaliningrad?
      1. Yars
        Yars 2 December 2015 21: 10
        -4
        Do you know how much? Did you do the analysis? And what is the situation in other countries, for example European? A Berlin-Stuttgart ticket costs 162Euro one way, according to your logic, how many children in Germany can afford it ???
      2. Sling cutter
        Sling cutter 3 December 2015 01: 15
        +5
        Quote: cheega69
        The prices of train tickets, air transportation, and now also the fare do not contribute to the unification of the country, but to isolation in their region

        You are at the very point! ++++
        This is part of the policy of separating the country.
        Raising tariffs for passenger calls is a direct crime against the Constitution, where the right of citizens to freedom of movement is fixed!
        The poor and socially unprotected sections of the population are deprived of any possibility of moving within the country, being at the will of the authorities in captivity or reserving, as you like, in the territory of their residence.
        Our "great leaders" and their families of all ranks are free, i.e. at our expense they fly and travel around the country and abroad in a business class, get free treatment, eat deliciously and sleep well.
        The question is, what is this not communism for individual 5-7% of the population and how long will it continue?
    2. Alf
      Alf 2 December 2015 21: 42
      +3
      Quote: YARS
      If you want to have good roads, then do not whine, because the price is ridiculous,

      And where is the guarantee. that the money raised in this way will go to the construction of roads?
      1. Yars
        Yars 3 December 2015 11: 45
        -3
        Quote: Alf
        Quote: YARS
        If you want to have good roads, then do not whine, because the price is ridiculous,

        And where is the guarantee. that the money raised in this way will go to the construction of roads?

        Before writing this, you should prove at the beginning that the money will not go to the budget!
    3. ANTI.KORR.
      ANTI.KORR. 2 December 2015 21: 51
      +1
      Quote: YARS
      As for the "big" taxes in Russia, I advise you at the beginning to look at the evropeiskie taxes, especially at the road tolls since this is a question!

      And I, in this case, want to look at the SALES in Europe, where the unemployment benefit in 2-2,5 is higher than the salary of an average resident of the Russian Federation.
      1. Yars
        Yars 3 December 2015 11: 49
        0
        Quote: ANTI.KORR.
        Quote: YARS
        As for the "big" taxes in Russia, I advise you at the beginning to look at the evropeiskie taxes, especially at the road tolls since this is a question!

        And I, in this case, want to look at the SALES in Europe, where the unemployment benefit in 2-2,5 is higher than the salary of an average resident of the Russian Federation.

        You do not tell me about salaries in Europe! here the figure that you get in Europe you see only on paper, because 40% The state will immediately take away taxes! In Germany, everything is more expensive than in Russia several times! How much do Russians pay for one liter of diesel fuel ?! And in Germany 1.22 EURO !!!!!!
  • ANTI.KORR.
    ANTI.KORR. 3 December 2015 05: 11
    +3
    Quote: Burmeister

    The question arises: what will go to the budget?

    Here there is such a topic, behind our backs:
    The State Duma will adopt in accelerated form a bill on equating motor rallies with rallies
    http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2015/11/30/618962-gosduma-primet-zakon
    oproekt-priravnivanii-avtoprobegov-mitingam
    On Tuesday, the State Duma’s relevant committee will approve and recommend adopting in the first reading and immediately as a whole a bill on equating motor rallies with demonstrations, and tent camps with picketing. This speed of adoption of laws is uncharacteristic of the Duma and indicates the urgency of the issue for the authorities.

    The fine for individuals is up to 300 thousand rubles.

    If approved by the State Duma, a demonstration will be deemed "organized public expression of public sentiment by a group of citizens using during transportation, including on vehicles, posters, banners and other means of visual agitation."
    Motor rallies can result in spontaneous protests and lead to riots, the authors directly explain the need for innovations in the explanatory note to the bill. The maximum amount of the administrative fine for citizens after tightening the law on rallies for such violations can reach 300 000 rubles, and for legal entities - up to 1 million rubles.

    source: https: //tjournal.ru/c/18439-gosduma-primet-v-uskorennom-rezhime-zakonop
    roekt-o-priravnivanii-avtoprobegov-k-mitingam? from = club

    ----
    Government: Don't you like it? Then we will make sure that you do not like it in silence. :)

    Some say - do not care, the problems of long-range fighting.
    Problems may be theirs, but in the end, they pay the end consumer ... in the store, add the cost of 2-3 kilometers to each product directly.

    "The closer the state is to fall, the more numerous are its laws" (c)
    Guy Cornelius Tacitus
    1. Yars
      Yars 3 December 2015 11: 51
      -1
      Quote: ANTI.KORR.
      Quote: Burmeister

      The question arises: what will go to the budget?

      Here there is such a topic, behind our backs:
      The State Duma will adopt in accelerated form a bill on equating motor rallies with rallies
      http://www.vedomosti.ru/politics/articles/2015/11/30/618962-gosduma-primet-zakon

      oproekt-priravnivanii-avtoprobegov-mitingam
      On Tuesday, the State Duma’s relevant committee will approve and recommend adopting in the first reading and immediately as a whole a bill on equating motor rallies with demonstrations, and tent camps with picketing. This speed of adoption of laws is uncharacteristic of the Duma and indicates the urgency of the issue for the authorities.

      The fine for individuals is up to 300 thousand rubles.

      If approved by the State Duma, a demonstration will be deemed "organized public expression of public sentiment by a group of citizens using during transportation, including on vehicles, posters, banners and other means of visual agitation."
      Motor rallies can result in spontaneous protests and lead to riots, the authors directly explain the need for innovations in the explanatory note to the bill. The maximum amount of the administrative fine for citizens after tightening the law on rallies for such violations can reach 300 000 rubles, and for legal entities - up to 1 million rubles.

      source: https: //tjournal.ru/c/18439-gosduma-primet-v-uskorennom-rezhime-zakonop

      roekt-o-priravnivanii-avtoprobegov-k-mitingam? from = club

      ----
      Government: Don't you like it? Then we will make sure that you do not like it in silence. :)

      Some say - do not care, the problems of long-range fighting.
      Problems may be theirs, but in the end, they pay the end consumer ... in the store, add the cost of 2-3 kilometers to each product directly.

      "The closer the state is to fall, the more numerous are its laws" (c)
      Guy Cornelius Tacitus

      since you don’t like it, it's time to move and not whine!
  • DEfindER
    DEfindER 2 December 2015 08: 21
    20
    Quote: gaura
    The author of the article deprives people of the opportunity to protest, amazing nonsense

    I partly agree with you, because we have one person in our government whose decisions often surprised me, perhaps not without his participation, I remember, Mr. Prime said to the whole country - “We have a very small tax on real estate, for example, in In Europe, it is much higher, it would be necessary to correct this, and make its calculation not from the cadastral value, but from the market value. " I would like to ask right away, but does Mr. Medvedev want to make European salaries to people before making the tax European? The same thing, and now the "respected gentlemen" are outraged as it is in Russia there is no tax on tons, but in Europe, it should be corrected, and do not think at all about the incomes of people here and there ..
    1. Down House
      Down House 2 December 2015 09: 27
      -1
      Quote: DEfindER
      make people European salaries?

      Better Chinese, even if the domestic industry heals, at least there will be no time on the Internet to complain that it doesn’t exist!
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 2 December 2015 10: 22
        +2
        at least there’s no time to complain on the Internet that she’s not there!
        But can you ask what you are doing on this very Internet? Or your work is such that everyone works, and you tell someone to be on the Internet and who not.
        1. Down House
          Down House 2 December 2015 10: 25
          +2
          Quote: kotvov
          or your work is such that everyone works, and you indicated to whom to be on the Internet, and to whom not.

          I'm a businessman fellow
      2. Felix2
        Felix2 2 December 2015 17: 09
        +2
        Are you ready to work hard for Chinese salaries? It hurts you to look like a bot of a mishandled one.
        1. Down House
          Down House 2 December 2015 23: 41
          -1
          Quote: Felix2
          Are you ready to work hard for Chinese salaries?

          Actually, I was originally a "scientist" by education - people of my professions even in China earn a lot.
        2. Hon
          Hon 3 December 2015 11: 26
          +1
          Quote: Felix2
          Are you ready to work hard for Chinese salaries? It hurts you to look like a bot of a mishandled one.

          in general, the average salary in China exceeds the average salary in Russia.
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        4. Hon
          Hon 3 December 2015 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: Felix2
          Are you ready to work hard for Chinese salaries? It hurts you to look like a bot of a mishandled one.

          The minimum wage in China for 2015 is 2030 yuan or 325 US dollars, the hourly minimum wage is 18,5 yuan
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    3. ANTI.KORR.
      ANTI.KORR. 3 December 2015 06: 50
      +1
      Quote: DEfindER
      I remember, Mr. Prime said to the whole country - "We have a very small tax on real estate, for example in Europe it is much higher

      The government lives on another planet, (c) native ...
  • GRAY
    GRAY 2 December 2015 09: 23
    +6
    Quote: gaura
    Speak correctly! There is a problem of slurred, but large requisitions by a PRIVATE person,

    Which work according to gray schemes - yes of course, they will pay from their caramel. Please note that not a single large carrier is outraged, but all because large companies work in white.
    All normal companies will simply include this fee in their accounting department as an "expense" and include it in the cost of transportation - no problem.
    1. Hon
      Hon 2 December 2015 09: 37
      +1
      Quote: GRAY
      Which work according to gray schemes - yes of course, they will pay from their caramel. Please note that not a single large carrier is outraged, but all because large companies work in white.
      All normal companies will simply include this fee in their accounting department as an "expense" and include it in the cost of transportation - no problem.

      What does gray scheme mean? without billing and invoicing? And how do you see it? which customer to agree to this?
      you write nonsense without understanding the principles of the carriers and legal entities.
      Large companies, by the way, do not have their own transport, this is an extensive network of intermediaries that takes a percentage. the customer calls the company, the company enters into an agreement with him for the carriage of goods, then he contacts the driver with a consent to take the goods and enters into an agreement with him. The carrier is responsible to the customer, and the driver to the carrier, but the driver is not an employee of the company and the truck does not belong to the company.
      By the way, what major carriers do you know? just since they are aware that they are not indignant, they should know who specifically did not become indignant.
      1. bubalik
        bubalik 2 December 2015 09: 46
        +3
        Hon (4) RU  Today, 09: 37 Large companies, by the way, do not have their own transport


        ,,, ha ha, well, the example of TC "ZheldorEkspeditsiya" owns not only a car park, but also railway cars with a car repair plant ,,

        ,,, and smaller ones, you are right, they work as they wrote

        1. Hon
          Hon 2 December 2015 10: 09
          +2
          Quote: bubalik
          ,, ha ha, well, an example of TC "ZheldorEkspeditsiya" owns not only a car park, but also railway cars with a car repair plant ,,

          Zheldorekspeditsiya is primarily engaged in rail transportation, they have a truck for transporting goods to and from the railway station, their transportation tariffs between cities by road are much higher than other companies, because for them it is a side business.
          1. bubalik
            bubalik 2 December 2015 10: 20
            +3
            Hon (4) RU  Today, 10: 09 ↑


            hi ,,, all transportation in the European part of Russia is carried out by Zheldor by road ,,, to Siberia and the Far East they are transported by wagons, they "rent" rails from railway workers, and if the Client hand over the goods in Volgograd to Khabarovsk, then he will go by car at least to Ekata ,,, where he will be loaded into the car ,,
            primarily engaged in rail transportation


            ,,, if only they were engaged, then cars from the Far East would not go half empty ,,
            1. Hon
              Hon 2 December 2015 10: 29
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              Quote: bubalik
              all transportation in the European part of Russia is carried out by Zheldor by road ,,, to Siberia and the Far East they are transported by wagons, they "rent" rails from railway workers, and if the Client hand over the goods in Volgograd to Khabarovsk, then he will go by car at least to Ekat ,

              they have 600 wagons, four hundred trucks, while it is normal practice to rent wagons from Russian Railways, the main business for them is railway, road transport is secondary.
            2. bubalik
              bubalik 2 December 2015 10: 35
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              Hon (4) RU  Today, 10: 29 ↑


              ,,, okay well ,,, where did we start
              Large companies, by the way, do not have their own transport
              ,,,Business Line?
            3. Hon
              Hon 2 December 2015 10: 57
              +1
              Quote: bubalik
              Hon (4) RU  Today, 10: 29 ↑

              ,,, okay well ,,, where did we start
              Large companies, by the way, do not have their own transport ,,, Business lines?

              I meant companies specializing specifically in the transport of goods by road. if you take companies like the zheldor, they always paint their trucks with corporate emblems, painted trucks on the highway 10%, that is, most of the traffic is not on them.
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  • GRAY
    GRAY 2 December 2015 09: 53
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    Quote: Hon
    What does gray scheme mean? without billing and invoicing? And how do you see it? which customer to agree to this?

    Since people work in a gray zone, almost no one directly contacts the shipper. There are special firms - "layers". They are "forwarders", in fact dispatchers, who are not responsible for anything and do not guarantee anything to anyone.

    Why are they needed in this case? This is the most interesting story.

    The fact is that the driver as an individual entrepreneur works on a simplified taxation system. That is why in Plato there is no VAT. A shipper is most often a legal entity working with VAT. And the dispatcher - also with VAT.

    Only for this purpose it is needed - to conclude an agreement with VAT, to make possible the return of this VAT. Then take the money, wash it through a one-day period (so that no VAT is no longer sticking to them) and pay the driver in black cash.

    The commission of the intermediary can easily be 50% and 70%. The driver never knows exactly how much he is actually paid for the carriage.

    All of these returns, frauds and other manipulations with VAT make huge money. But this is only one possible case.

    The second issue is the practice of so-called double costs. When the consignor and the consignee are spinning around the documents, and the result is "the sender paid to send the goods, but the recipient also paid to receive it."

    And everyone allegedly incurred substantial expenses on this. There are many frauds in general, it all depends on the particular forwarder. But this system becomes especially vicious when the driver begins to be friends with the forwarder. Rarely but aptly.

    What driver lives with? He took the goods, unloaded, received the money, went to eat dumplings? No!

    There are a great many schemes.

    Firstly, it’s a two-way road — you also have to return. Therefore, on the way back, drivers are constantly looking for "passing cargo" so that they do not burn fuel in vain, and often agree to completely ridiculous contracts. This is a side effect!

    Secondly, there is such a thing as a passing cargo. If there is room in the body, you can load it up with some kind of hack-work along the way. The practice of preloading is generally very common. Some of the whole trucks are only "loaded" and drive.
    1. Hon
      Hon 2 December 2015 10: 51
      +3
      several amendments, the first of these dispatchers, are still liable to the customer, since it is they who conclude the contract with the customer, and it is they who are responsible for him for the loss of cargo or delay (fines are always prescribed in the contract). The driver always knows how much he will be paid, because the cost of the trip is negotiated in advance, usually hourly if there is a short distance in the city and several points of shipment, and a fixed fee when it is far. They can of course throw, but such a company will have problems finding trucks, the drivers will communicate very closely with each other, usually drivers try to work with trusted companies.
      From the VAT refund scheme, it’s not gray but completely transparent and legal, there are no frauds in this, and the tax return option provides for this in fact. all calculations go only through the bank, and it’s not difficult for tax officials to track the movement of money.
      Quote: GRAY
      Firstly, it’s a two-way road — you also have to return. Therefore, on the way back, drivers are constantly looking for "passing cargo" so that they do not burn fuel in vain, and often agree to completely ridiculous contracts. This is a side effect!

      Secondly, there is such a thing as a passing cargo. If there is room in the body, you can load it up with some kind of hack-work along the way. The practice of preloading is generally very common. Some of the whole trucks are only "loaded" and drive.

      but what do you see in this as bad or illegal? Well, the driver took the goods cheaper, he pays taxes anyway, a passing cargo is also processed as non-passing, with contracts and bills. otherwise, the driver will sell this passing cargo along the way and you will not prove anything, and the customer also needs documents for tax reporting.
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 2 December 2015 11: 48
        +5
        Quote: Hon
        . The driver always knows how much he will be paid, since the cost of the trip is discussed in advance,

        I watched a couple of times the personnel who were generally thrown and paid nothing (I work in a warehouse), the intermediary stupidly changes the phone number and ends up in the water.
        "They told me that they will give the money on the spot" - agamla, keep your pocket wider, the grandmother's company paid for a long time and not at all for you :-)
        The driver can only know what the intermediary deigns to inform him.
        multiple shipping points

        This is generally a separate issue - but you do not want one shipping point and several recipients?
        Left cargoes often came to us in the form of weights, generally without any documents there the whole payment is gray. Drivers do not even know what and to whom they are taking.
        I often unloaded them simply into the territory, because there was not enough space in the warehouse. Rain - do not care, soprut - do not care, this is someone else's load and I am not responsible for it.
        but what do you see in this as bad or illegal? Well, the driver took the goods cheaper,

        It was not the driver who accepted the goods cheaper, but the dispatcher and this dispatcher should pay VAT, which should affect the cost of services for the customer.
        If the dispatcher has avoided paying taxes, that means he will be able to lower the price of the service while receiving, in an unlawful way, an advantage over shopping malls working in white.
        And long-range private traders actually provide them with a working environment, it is also beneficial for them, because they intercept orders at the expense of dumping prices - this is called, in the legislation, unfair competition.
        Constitution of the Russian Federation, article 34, clause 2 “Economic activity aimed at monopolization and unfair competition is not allowed”

        Bucha due to the fact that in this case they will have to charge the mileage for themselves. What will they do with the black cash register? Will they go to court or what?
        1. Hon
          Hon 2 December 2015 12: 08
          -1
          Quote: GRAY
          I watched a couple of times the personnel who were generally thrown and paid nothing (I work in a warehouse), the intermediary stupidly changes the phone number and ends up in the water.
          "They told me that they will give the money on the spot" - agamla, keep your pocket wider, the grandmother's company paid for a long time and not at all for you :-)
          The driver can only know what the intermediary deigns to inform him.

          these are one-day companies, I haven’t been working for such a long time, drivers agree to carry the goods from those when it’s very hard to work, or I just decided to take a chance. they have neither regular drivers, nor regular customers, because such customers are also thrown. conditions often offer more favorable, because lure is needed. if the company is not the first year on the market, it will not really want to shut itself off from drivers and change numbers. The driver, in principle, is only interested in where to pick up the cargo and where to take it. he concludes an agreement with the TC and invoices her for the work, it happens that the contract is concluded retroactively, this is when the goods must already be transported, but there is no time for pieces of paper. they work mainly with trusted companies, and companies prefer trusted drivers.
          Quote: GRAY
          This is generally a separate issue - but you do not want one shipping point and several recipients?
          Left cargoes often came to us in the form of weights, generally without any documents there the whole payment is gray. Drivers do not even know what and to whom they are taking.
          I often unloaded them simply into the territory, because there was not enough space in the warehouse. Rain - do not care, soprut - do not care, this is someone else's load and I am not responsible for it.

          these are already troubles of consignors and consignees, the driver receives payment under the contract, transfer to the bank. agreement with the transport company. This contract does not impose on him the obligation to bear responsibility for the shipped cargo, he was paid for transportation and nothing more.

          Quote: GRAY
          It was not the driver who accepted the goods cheaper, but the dispatcher and this dispatcher should pay VAT, which should affect the cost of services for the customer.
          If the dispatcher has avoided paying taxes, that means he will be able to lower the price of the service while receiving, in an unlawful way, an advantage over shopping malls working in white.
          And long-range private traders actually provide them with a working environment, it is also beneficial for them, because they intercept orders at the expense of dumping prices - this is called, in the legislation, unfair competition.

          how does the dispatcher evade paying shipping cheaper? the customer then pays him all the same under the contract and bills, which means the amount is visible for the tax, the driver just gets less money and the TC is more, respectively, the driver will pay taxes from the smaller amount and the TC with more, but there is no tax evasion.
        2. GRAY
          GRAY 2 December 2015 12: 24
          +2
          Quote: Hon
          it’s a one-day company, I don’t work for such a long time,

          The front companies certainly did not work for a long time, I closed one - opened the other, and the intermediaries work the same.
          how does the dispatcher evade paying shipping cheaper? the customer then he doesn’t pay the contract and bills, which means the amount is visible to the tax,

          He cashes money, for this the company is a one-day company and is needed. The contract is concluded on it - ends in the water.
        3. Hon
          Hon 2 December 2015 12: 55
          -2
          Quote: GRAY
          The front companies certainly did not work for a long time, I closed one - opened the other, and the intermediaries work the same.

          such companies also carry little, because customers rarely contact them, so their market share is small.
          Quote: GRAY
          He cashes money, for this the company is a one-day company and is needed. The contract is concluded on it - ends in the water.

          those. the company does not conduct tax reporting at all, it happens. but just what side is Plato here? Well, the driver will pay for the road, you can say an additional tax. but one-day-olds will also throw it as before, if it contacts them. and they also will not pay taxes. to them, then what matters to Plato?
        4. GRAY
          GRAY 2 December 2015 13: 25
          +3
          Quote: Hon
          those. the company does not conduct tax reporting at all, it happens. but just what side is Plato here? Well, the driver will pay for the road, you can say an additional tax.

          If the mileage fee is included in the cost of transportation, the driver will not pay anything at all.
          But this does not apply to left cargo, no one pays any taxes during their transportation. If you drove 20 tons of gray goods and didn’t pay much to anyone, but you grabbed everything in your pocket, and now your business is buried - sorry, but this is real.

          In the calculation of the collection, the mileage of a 12-ton truck is taken in the amount of 8500 km per year. And the real mileage with the "leftists" is 100 - 000 km per year. That is, the carriers will not be charged 150 billion rubles, as stated, but 000-50 billion rubles.

          If you want to work normally - do not carry left goods, do not work with left dispatchers.
          And if they stop working with the left dispatchers, they will be on an equal footing with other carriers.
          such companies also carry little because they are rarely contacted by customers,

          All customers are looking for where it is cheaper, but these are the cheapest.
        5. Hon
          Hon 2 December 2015 14: 08
          0
          Quote: GRAY
          If the mileage fee is included in the cost of transportation, the driver will not pay anything at all.

          a little bit wrong, the driver carries the goods at the agreed rates, all expenses on it. tariffs have not yet risen, and costs have already risen substantially. maybe they will grow soon, but while the shopping malls are in no hurry to pick them up, being afraid of losing orders.
          Quote: GRAY
          But this does not apply to left cargo, no one pays any taxes during their transportation. If you drove 20 tons of gray goods and didn’t pay much to anyone, but you grabbed everything in your pocket, and now your business is buried - sorry, but this is real.

          the driver receives money not for cargo but for transportation, and from this he pays taxes. for him there is only one way not to pay taxes, it is to work in cash without paperwork, but this does not happen, because the customer does not agree to this, he needs documents for tax reporting.
          gray goods are green or pink, the driver does not hesitate, it makes him neither cold nor hot.
          Quote: GRAY
          If you want to work normally - do not carry left goods, do not work with left dispatchers.
          And if they stop working with the left dispatchers, they will be on an equal footing with other carriers.

          those. if you follow these rules will not be charged? or what is the benefit for those who carry the left goods, compared with those who carry the right goods.
        6. GRAY
          GRAY 2 December 2015 15: 24
          +2
          Quote: Hon
          for him there is only one way to not pay taxes, it is to work in cash without paperwork, but it doesn’t happen,

          He doesn’t pay the money received.
          UTII he pays (Single tax on imputed income) the tax is not taken from actually received, but from imputed income, that is, from that which is supposed for you (and for you) by officials.
          The single tax rate is set at 15 percent of the amount of imputed income.
          On the wagon, it looks something like this:
          The provision of motor transport services for the carriage of goods. The number of vehicles used for the carriage of goods - 1, The basic rate of return per month (the value of imputed income) - 6 rubles., Deflator coefficient - 000
          6 000 rub. x 1,569 = 9 rubles / month. X 414,00%
          the customer does not agree to this, he needs documents for tax reporting.

          So he will receive them - he also concludes a contract with a shell company, and drove only with the dispatcher, he deals and settles with him.
          80% of the owners of these vehicles are individuals registered in the established manner as individual entrepreneurs and carrying out entrepreneurial activities without forming a legal entity, as a rule, using STS and UTII, i.e. not a VAT payer. In turn, the vast majority of shippers use a common taxation system (approximately 70%).
          There is a clear contradiction - most shippers want to pay for transport services with VAT and then reimburse themselves the VAT paid, and real carriers working on UTII can not invoice the shipper with VAT and the invoice.
          To resolve this contradiction, shippers involve "organizations with a dubious legal personality", the so-called. "forwarders", but in fact intermediaries-dispatchers. These intermediaries in the accounting records of the shipper will be listed as carriers, issue invoices and invoices with VAT, and to which the shipper will transfer the freightage with VAT, which will then be charged by the shipper. Further, these organizations with a dubious legal personality, having received payment for transportation with VAT, through one-day firms, convert money with VAT into money without VAT, and pay off with real carriers.

          What the hell can taxes be?
          those. if you follow these rules will not be charged?
          Will be charged, but the fee is guaranteed to be returned as payment for the flight.
          It remains to find such an intermediary who will work honestly - that’s where the real problem is, they will throw it and not scratch it, it turns out that the driver will pay a fee from his own pocket.
          Quote: Hon
          what is the benefit for those who carry the left goods, compared with those who carry the right goods.

          The fact that they have an advantage in receiving orders is cheaper because such transportation is not taxed at all.
          The left cargo that I dump out of the territory from this opera - the intermediary tore off money from two consignees, but at the same time made discounts for them, and paid the carrier, with this a maximum of a third - I put the rest in my pocket.
          Of course, under such conditions, customers will not be in the shopping center, working on white schemes to contact - there it is more expensive.
          It’s advantageous for a driver to work with such dispatchers — all his orders, and whoever is legally trying to deal with cargo transportation — will suck his paw.
        7. Hon
          Hon 2 December 2015 16: 34
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          [quote = GRAY] Nothing he pays from the money received.
          UTII he pays (Single tax on imputed income) the tax is not taken from actually received, but from imputed income, that is, from that which is supposed for you (and for you) by officials.
          The single tax rate is set at 15 percent of the amount of imputed income.
          On the wagon, it looks something like this:
          The provision of motor transport services for the carriage of goods. The number of vehicles used for the carriage of goods - 1, The basic rate of return per month (the value of imputed income) - 6 rubles., Deflator coefficient - 000
          6 000 rub. x 1,569 = 9 rubles / month. X 414,00% [/ quote]
          Well, if on a bargain, you just pay a fixed amount, instead of calculating it from the profit.
          [quote = GRAY] [quote = Hon] for him there is only one way not to pay taxes, this is to work in cash without paperwork, but it doesn’t, [/ quote]
          He doesn’t pay the money received.
          UTII he pays (Single tax on imputed income) the tax is not taken from actually received, but from imputed income, that is, from that which is supposed for you (and for you) by officials.
          The single tax rate is set at 15 percent of the amount of imputed income.
          On the wagon, it looks something like this:
          The provision of motor transport services for the carriage of goods. The number of vehicles used for the carriage of goods - 1, The basic rate of return per month (the value of imputed income) - 6 rubles., Deflator coefficient - 000
          6 000 rub. x 1,569 = 9 rubles / month. X 414,00%
          [Quote] The customer does not agree to this, he needs documents for tax reporting. [/ quote]
          So he will receive them - he also concludes a contract with a shell company, and drove only with the dispatcher, he deals and settles with him.
          [Quote]
          those. Do you blame drivers for the fact that some companies are carriers or customers who evade taxes or what? he then pays his taxes, what claims to him?
          [quote = GRAY] Will be charged, but the fee is guaranteed to be returned as payment for the flight.
          It remains to find such an intermediary who will work honestly - that’s where the real problem is, they will throw it and not scratch it, it turns out that the driver will pay a fee from his own pocket. [/ Quote]
          by whom is guaranteed?
          [quote = GRAY] By the fact that the advantage in receiving orders is with them, because it’s cheaper, such transportation is generally not subject to any taxes.
          The left cargo that I dump out of the territory from this opera - the intermediary tore off money from two consignees, but at the same time made discounts for them, and paid the carrier, with this a maximum of a third - I put the rest in my pocket.
          Of course, under such conditions, customers will not be in the shopping center, working on white schemes to contact - there it is more expensive.
          It’s advantageous for the driver to work with such dispatchers - all his orders, and whoever is legally trying to deal with cargo transportation will suck his paw. [/ Quote]
          that is how those who do not evade taxes work, there are rates for drivers, he drives them, no matter how much their sexual difficulties are taken from the customer, and no one will report to him, at least one tenth will be paid.
          one-day firms use much less frequently, and only those with one-time shipments. since a serious shipper will prefer a company that has been on the market for a long time, and even better that has been working with for a long time, than risking cargo by contacting a dubious office.
          the same thing with drivers, they oh how they do not like to mess with new companies. There are special sites where ratings of shopping malls and drivers are compiled. it is very difficult to find both clients and drivers of a young company, even if it works honestly.
        8. GRAY
          GRAY 2 December 2015 17: 33
          +2
          Quote: Hon
          by whom is guaranteed?

          At least an intermediary working in white.
          Quote: Hon
          it is very difficult to find both clients and drivers of a young company, even if it works honestly.

          Will include "Plato" in the bill - it will be easier.
          I drove, for some reason I understand. Their situation is now like that of a person who bought a car from a gray car dealer and found that he was not entitled to a guarantee, and he would have to pay for the repair himself.
          Where are the gray car dealers now? No, they led everyone.
          And they will also lead gray intermediaries - it will simply be unprofitable to work with them.
  • Hon
    Hon 2 December 2015 12: 10
    0
    Quote: GRAY
    Bucha due to the fact that in this case they will have to charge the mileage for themselves. What will they do with the black cash register? Will they go to court or what?

    whom should they take? where does monopolization? what is the black box office? you have a lot of fantasies
  • 97110
    97110 2 December 2015 09: 51
    0
    Quote: GRAY
    and include in the cost of transportation - no problem.

    Accountants - definitely not. Fortunately or unfortunately, cost is not price. Price is what the customer is willing to pay. When the price is lower than the cost, there are problems.
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 2 December 2015 10: 04
      -3
      Quote: 97110
      Price is what the customer is willing to pay. When the price is lower than the cost, there are problems.

      The problems, in this case, are with the client. And not the one who provides the service.
      Do not carry nonsense.
      1. 97110
        97110 2 December 2015 10: 56
        +2
        Quote: GRAY
        Do not carry nonsense.

        Already quit. Squirting, damn it ...
  • Down House
    Down House 2 December 2015 09: 24
    -8
    Quote: gaura
    There is a problem of slurred but large requisitions by a PRIVATE person

    Not requisitions, but the payment for damage to the roadway - this payment system is relevant in many countries of the world, only from the Russian Federation every liberal shushera wants to make mother anarchy unrequited and spineless!
    1. GRAY
      GRAY 2 December 2015 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: Down House
      Not requisitions, but the payment for damage to the roadway - this payment system is relevant in many countries of the world, only from the Russian Federation every liberal shushera wants to make mother anarchy unrequited and spineless!

      By the way, yes! The same people constantly shout - "We want everything to be like in CIVILIZED COUNTRIES !!!"
      - Yes please. laughing
      1. Down House
        Down House 2 December 2015 23: 44
        +1
        Quote: GRAY
        The same people constantly shout - "We want everything to be like in CIVILIZED COUNTRIES !!!"

        But they don't understand that "hanging out beautifully" is not cheap!
    2. Felix2
      Felix2 2 December 2015 18: 01
      0
      To the brush of civilized countries: the companies that built the roads make scheduled and major repairs and remove them, they charge a fee of $ 1.90 if in cash and if you have an electronic IPASS, then they charge you only $ 0.90 for entering the highway and not all highways are paid and there is always an alternative way where money is not paid at all, these are ordinary roads. Now the road damage brush, it seems the excise tax is being removed from the purchased fuel, where does the entrepreneur Down get the money? or is it not enough?
      1. GRAY
        GRAY 2 December 2015 18: 51
        +2
        Quote: Felix2
        To the brush of civilized countries: the companies that built the roads make scheduled and major repairs and remove them, they charge a fee of $ 1.90 if in cash and if you have an electronic IPASS, then they charge you only $ 0.90 for entering the highway and not all highways are paid and there is always an alternative way where money is not paid at all, these are ordinary roads.

        I don’t know about which countries you wrote, but in Europe they take, from a truck, about 8 rubles per kilometer.
        Excise taxes on fuel go to the federal budget, about 30 percent of the fees are deposited there, and the rest is distributed by region.
        And this is Belarus:
  • ANTI.KORR.
    ANTI.KORR. 2 December 2015 20: 52
    +3
    Quote: gaura
    The author of the article deprives people of the opportunity to protest, amazing nonsense

    This is not nonsense, this is an order of the authorities trying to throw mud at any popular discontent against the mindless anti-people policy and stick the label of the 225th column and necessarily "grant eaters".
    The authorities themselves provoke people to protest actions, either by fraud in the elections, or by raising tariffs, or by introducing new taxes.
    But in 2016, the beginning of the action of new fiscal taxes on real estate, which will affect everyone. And if we are silent, then the noose around the neck of the people will be tightened ever tighter, since the appetites and greed of Rotenberg-Veksbergo-Abramovich have no boundaries.
    Are there really not enough plundered bowels of the country? Do you still have to constantly pop into the pocket of the people?
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  • Down House
    Down House 2 December 2015 09: 22
    -4
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    And in this Plato, after all, there is a function of accounting for any car

    Yes, for a long time it’s time already in every car for a lighthouse, maybe then at least we will go culturally!
    1. 97110
      97110 2 December 2015 10: 08
      15
      Quote: Down House
      maybe then we’ll even become a cultural traveler!

      Why would you? For me, the minimum fine is MONEY! Therefore, even without a beacon, law-abidingness itself. And culture, of course. And among citizens of all talented countries and nationalities that rush around the city (Moscow, for example) and beat sports cars (presumably, on the last, hard-earned, earned in sweat) at many times exceeded speeds, a beacon through which place will add culture? The thickness of the spatula under the rear gives them a special right, sacredly guarded in our comfortable country. They say that an example is more effective than a threat. Maybe LADY try to give an example of cultural driving? On "Kalina", of course. Coming to the frame, getting out of it sportingly (do not jump out of the behi xs of any number), rip off the jacket and urge us, uncultured, to travel culturally. To promise a prize of 500 rubles for this. What? He promised a fine - how little they drink while driving. We, who are on "Kalina", have completely stopped.
      1. Down House
        Down House 2 December 2015 10: 29
        -3
        Quote: 97110
        And for citizens of all talented countries and nationalities that rush about the city (Moscow, for example) and beat sports cars (presumably the last ones, hard-earned, sweat earned) at many speeds, a beacon through which place will the culture add?

        Blah blah blah - every day I see embroiderers on the same MKAD on all kinds of used Tricks and tags, and in the statistics of hundreds of thousands of road traffic victims during the year, the bulk of the car is also clearly not more than 500 thousand rubles.
        1. 97110
          97110 2 December 2015 10: 48
          +2
          Quote: Down House
          Blah blah blah - I see every day

          I agree that the owner of a $ 250 car also wants to prove that he is cool. In creative ecstasy, you miss the nuances. But you must admit that a burning Ferrari is shown on TV more often than the vehicles listed by you. And you must agree that an example is more effective than a threat.
          1. Down House
            Down House 2 December 2015 10: 59
            +1
            Quote: 97110
            But you must agree that a burning "Ferrari" is shown on TV more often than the vehicles listed by you

            Rather, there is more noise from them - after all, FERRARI - people throughout their history were interested in the life of the rich, and there are so many "reasons" for discussion!
            But you better go to YouTube, see how and how many ordinary citizens "have fun" on the roads fellow
  • bastard
    bastard 2 December 2015 10: 41
    +3
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    And in this Plato, after all, there is a function of accounting for any car.

    Chiping trucks? Who is next?
    Hi colleague! hi Do you think our government, besides jokes and porn on the Internet, is watching at least something else?
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 12: 26
      +2
      Quote: villain
      porn on the Internet watching at least something else?

      Now they’ll watch live broadcast from Plato and count money .. laughing
      "You are sitting, and the money is going" Golubkov Lenya like?
  • washi
    washi 2 December 2015 16: 51
    0
    Quote: afdjhbn67
    Quote: Megatron
    OUT OF COMPETITION

    They are trying to discredit the protest that really affects us all by sticking a label to them - the fifth column ..
    And in this Plato, after all, there is a function of accounting for any car .. so soon we can also ask for a small share for something and it does not matter under what pretext ...

    Or maybe this protest due to the fact that now it will be impossible to do left flights? To carry left-wing goods, including smuggling and pale vodka? Avoid paying taxes? A driver just drive left fuel?
    What are the price increases?
    Count yourself. 12 tons of products. If you pay even 5 rubles per km. 500 km - 2500 p. Those. 208 r per ton. In terms of a liter package of milk + 20 cents. And if we take into account the normal accounting of pricing during transportation under control, then most likely there will be savings.
    1. Felix2
      Felix2 2 December 2015 18: 11
      0
      Vasya, but you didn’t think that the pallet can be transported with trucks up to 12 tons, and that’s not the point; real carriers - robots, will simply suffer.
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  • 34 region
    34 region 2 December 2015 06: 54
    20
    Yes, though not Serdyukov. 75% belongs to private individuals. And where is the benefit (other than these individuals)? Where will the money go? On the road? And if you take a liter of gasoline? And 12 tons did not pass certification? Can then ban trucks and carry in gazelles?
    1. Down House
      Down House 2 December 2015 09: 32
      +3
      Quote: Region 34
      Can then ban trucks and carry in gazelles?

      In general, according to normal, one must either carry a minimum or carry a railway.
      But you probably do not know that even "bricks" are transported here for a thousand kilometers, when there is a brick factory next to the construction site - but for a thousand kilometers it turned out to be a couple of thousand cheaper.
      With "Plato" now, of course, bricks will not be lucky, but this will not affect the economy of the Russian Federation!
      1. Kindof
        Kindof 2 December 2015 10: 13
        +2
        That's it - to tighten the natural competitor of Russian Railways this is done
    2. kotvov
      kotvov 2 December 2015 10: 33
      +4
      Can then ban trucks and carry in gazelles ?,
      and do you think this will help? Plato will be introduced for gazelles. I’m generally surprised that some people support this skinning, you understand that at the end all chains are paid by the end user, that is, they climb into our pocket again. these are all excuses, how many service organizations we are doing all this.
  • zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 2 December 2015 09: 16
    +5
    ... "75% - the share of private investors." ... Let's guess from three times the names of these "nivesters", familiar to all faces: those who walk in unison - our detachment is hardly liberal; homosexuals, lesbians and dumb punks. Some liberals are sawing loot, others inflate the Maidans about this.
  • EngineerP
    EngineerP 2 December 2015 07: 10
    0
    It is necessary to adopt the article of the Criminal Code, "On the use of actions (spontaneous or planned) of the protest in their own, not consistent with the original goals."
    And to transplant all "Parnassovs" to the devil's grandmother, let them work for the good of the people for free!
  • War and Peace
    War and Peace 2 December 2015 07: 59
    +9
    in the infospace it is no longer possible to find a video, as Navalny talked with the redhead in the rain about Rosnana and the "development of billions" I wonder why such information disappears? because Chubais is actually a thief?
    1. ICT
      ICT 2 December 2015 08: 20
      -1
      Quote: War and Peace
      I wonder why such information disappears


      I saw in Russia how a column burst in a water park in Moscow and I’m silent, and you’re talking about a movie about
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 2 December 2015 08: 46
        +5
        Quote: TIT
        Quote: War and Peace
        I wonder why such information disappears


        I saw in Russia how a column burst in a water park in Moscow and I’m silent, and you’re talking about a movie about


        it was a very revealing conversation, bulk cursed wherever possible, but at the same time his speech from the Internet disappears, the principle of an unbiased approach to information is violated ...
        1. Down House
          Down House 2 December 2015 09: 33
          0
          Quote: War and Peace
          but at the same time his appearances from the Internet disappear

          Why does that disappear ?! Only if he himself then safely and cuts out, so as not to take for a sweaty ass!
          1. War and Peace
            War and Peace 2 December 2015 10: 27
            +1
            Quote: Down House
            Quote: War and Peace
            but at the same time his appearances from the Internet disappear

            Why does that disappear ?! Only if he himself then safely and cuts out, so as not to take for a sweaty ass!


            down try to find this video on the net, there is none ...
            1. Down House
              Down House 2 December 2015 10: 51
              +2
              Quote: War and Peace
              try to find this video on the net, there is none

              So Anal himself cuts out, as a copyright holder, this is his strategy to fart and hide - there is no video, there is no need to "answer for the market"! fellow
    2. Saratoga833
      Saratoga833 2 December 2015 08: 39
      +6
      Quote: War and Peace
      because chubais is really a thief?

      Have you doubted that?
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 2 December 2015 08: 48
        +3
        Quote: Saratoga833
        Quote: War and Peace
        because chubais is really a thief?

        Have you doubted that?


        no, of course, but why is the thieves and obvious enemies of Russia looming in power - that’s the question?
      2. War and Peace
        War and Peace 2 December 2015 08: 48
        +1
        Quote: Saratoga833
        Quote: War and Peace
        because chubais is really a thief?

        Have you doubted that?


        no, of course, but why is the thieves and obvious enemies of Russia looming in power - that’s the question?
    3. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 December 2015 11: 22
      +4
      in the information space you can’t find the video anymore, as Navalny talked to the redhead in the rain


      this?
      1. War and Peace
        War and Peace 2 December 2015 13: 07
        +1
        Quote: Gardamir
        in the information space you can’t find the video anymore, as Navalny talked to the redhead in the rain


        this?


        did you find it? Yes, now it pops up in a search engine, but this has not always happened ...
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    4. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 12: 28
      +1
      Quote: War and Peace
      because chubais is really a thief?

      How dare you ... even think like that, not like writing ah, ah laughing
  • Hon
    Hon 2 December 2015 09: 04
    +3
    Quote: Gavril
    They scared the hedgehog with his bare ass whahaha, the trucker is, first of all, a real tough man, and that is why such types as bulk do not come to protest actions themselves to "lead", because no trucker will miss such a good opportunity to kick those in the face

    Only to this severe peasant, someone Rotenberg, Putin’s sidekick got into his pocket, and then I remember the saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 09: 35
      +2
      Quote: Hon
      someone Rotenberg got into his pocket,

      Dare now, encouraged by your Rachen to show, What can own Platonians And fast mind Neutons (Rotenbergs) Russian land give birth.
      M. Lomonosov
      That's probably the case with our times wassat
  • max702
    max702 2 December 2015 09: 10
    +7
    The system itself and the fee of 3 rubles / km is not the most important thing, what is important is something else that will bring a much greater profit, after equipping ALL trucks with Platon, it will become clear who is bringing how much and where .. And transport companies will be asked very unpleasant questions from the tax authorities, especially this will affect small and medium-sized carriers (in large, taking into account, and so everything is less so), so once again we see how competitors are removed from the market, similar to what happened in the food market when global networks practically took over all trade. so it will be here, the fee itself in prices because of 3 rubles \ km "mathematically" will not be very reflected, for example, a 20t truck from Moscow to Perm costs 200 rubles, a distance of 000 km total 2000x2000 = 3 plus 6000 + 200 = 6 rubles. especially the price did not rise, but for this bench, the revision of tariffs for transportation will still be and will grow by 206-000% .. Of course, it is necessary to restore order here, the chaos of this direction is known (especially the southern direction), this practice exists in many countries and There is no way to get away from this, but in my understanding it would be fairer to include all these taxes, both transport and "plato", in the fuel price, and do it correctly, and as always, the tax will be included and the rest will not be removed ..
    RS: In my mind, of course, it was necessary to first introduce a compulsory satellite tracking system (large TCs have had it for a long time), collect statistics and then enter payment .. but greed, as always, ruined our bureaucrats and "businessmen" from the state.
    1. Hon
      Hon 2 December 2015 09: 27
      +1
      Quote: max702
      And transport campaigns will be asked very unpleasant questions from the tax authorities, especially this will affect small and medium carriers (large ones, taking into account, and so everything is less)

      Transport companies work by bank transfer, all the money goes through the bank through accounts and invoices. these same invoices are very necessary for the customer, because he also pays taxes. If desired, the tax office will easily track all shipments and payments of the company. you won’t be able to get away from it, because you simply won’t find customers willing to pay for transportation in bulk without issuing payment documents. the exception is a very small carrier, but a la gazelle, which is still not interested in Plato.
      if you need to evade taxes, there are many other ways, for example, to open and close an LLCshku every year, no one will check it anyway.
    2. Down House
      Down House 2 December 2015 09: 36
      +1
      Quote: max702
      but in my understanding it would be fairer to include all these taxes, both transport and "plato" in the fuel price

      Why are you finding fault with this "fuel price"!
      Maybe we’ll also make a tax on individuals by weight of the taxpayer ?!
      1. Vend
        Vend 2 December 2015 09: 49
        +2
        The story with Swamp is repeated. People came to protest, and grant-eaters use them for their own purposes. Well, if truckers do not need to work, let them protest. Of course, I could be wrong, but only those who have no work or who are paid for as simple as that for a flight can stand in pickets.
      2. 97110
        97110 2 December 2015 10: 18
        +9
        Quote: Down House
        Maybe we’ll also make a tax on individuals by weight of the taxpayer ?!

        And you see how the sidewalks trampled! Repair of courtyard driveways why do trucks have to pay? Particularly highlight who walk on stilettos! And it is imperative to get their insurance to buy civil liability before defenseless men. Such a foot will come ...
        1. Down House
          Down House 2 December 2015 10: 35
          -4
          Quote: 97110
          And you see how the sidewalks trampled!

          And I look from the brigade of Anal ?!
          And let's do it like in your beloved Europe (specifically in Germany) - the local municipality decided to put new asphalt on the "inner driveway" although the old one was still normal) drove the equipment and put it - and then the tenants were billed for 25000 euros and the instruction to pay for the year - and either you pay or bankrupt and a bum!
          Eh, we’ll live according to European values ​​with Anal and shobls !!!
          1. 97110
            97110 2 December 2015 10: 53
            +4
            Quote: Down House
            And I look from the brigade of Anal ?!

            I'm sitting high! I look far! Why are you doing this? I respectfully, to you with the title page. And you once - and have coated ... Even you have regretted the letter ...
            1. Down House
              Down House 2 December 2015 11: 03
              0
              Quote: 97110
              They even regretted the letter

              I didn’t regret it, but I missed it on purpose - I think the surname Analny is more than adequate "pseudonym" for political prostitution, working out American grants here and stealing Russian forest fellow
              1. 97110
                97110 2 December 2015 11: 40
                0
                Quote: Down House
                I did not regret it, but I specially missed it - I consider the name Anal

                You did not understand me. I am about the fact that they turned to me for "you" and not for "you". As for Mr. Anal, he probably gets harm for that too. And "coffin" too. So its as you like, we are only "For".
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      3. max702
        max702 2 December 2015 19: 57
        +1
        Quote: Down House
        Why are you finding fault with this "fuel price"!

        And what is wrong? You drive a lot, use the roads accordingly and pay .. In the USA, with all the love for them, this is done very competently, and the car there really is a means of transportation, let them make such a tax and car sales will increase sharply! I suppose I wouldn’t refuse a light truck, but I don’t want to work on it constantly! and with our taxes it’s unprofitable to maintain this truck! With insurance, too, jambs are not measured, I bought insurance and until the insurance case comes, you can’t pay for it, I haven’t had a single accident for 15 years, and why should I pay every year? and with the transport tax, if I go spending gas, I mean I use the road, and since I buy gas, I pay for the repair of roads ..
    3. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 10: 53
      +2
      but greed, as always, ruined our bureaucrats and "businessmen" from the state.

      It even scares - can it really only "cut" and "roll back", and then they are capable of hiding abroad ??? What are they taught at HSE ...
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  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 2 December 2015 10: 03
    +7
    Quote: Gavril
    The hedgehog was scared by the wahaha’s bare ass, the trucker is, first of all, the real harsh man

    1. Have you personally communicated with truckers? I yes, and they are very not happy with these fees.
    2. There is nothing to blame on Navalny, the state in this case itself did everything to make this happen.
    3.My opinion, this is done under Russian Railways, the whole country on wheels and transportation tariffs are now not small, but will become sky-high. It is necessary to force commerce to use the services of Russian Railways.
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  • Megatron
    Megatron 2 December 2015 05: 38
    12
    The article left a double impression. On the one hand, we walked along the fifth column, and on the other, a clear flirtation with the authorities and even justification of the next predatory fraud. For all that, it’s somehow not indicated that road taxes were left to Putin’s friends, the Vorotenbergs. No heresy about the lack of funds for roads and infrastructure. We all know what billions are being stolen there.
    I have already heard sugary speeches about how new roads will start to build on the proceeds from Plato .... PAID and again on the basis of the notorious parity partnership with private capital. So we are waiting for the next rise in price of all goods, at the rate of + 3.06 rubles per km.
    A video message from Edirast Fedorov, generally at the level of idiocy:

    I do not know to whom it is addressed, maybe the notorious "kremlebots", I have not heard such moronism for a long time.

    Putin’s domestic policy has long been not happy for me, who said a year ago that it’s 4 years, there will be no new taxes, but here.

    Yes, and the outside has already begun to limp, exchanged our pilot for a ban on Turkish tomatoes. Shame and shame. That's all I wanted to say.
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 2 December 2015 05: 59
      -9
      About predatory rent:
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 09
        23
        Do you have any relation to this area?
        Sit here spread pictures, besides it has nothing to do with the topic.
        What does the high-speed mode and charge collection.
        And I have two couplings, I know how much.

        In Belarus there is a similar system, made wisely, based on German. What are its differences:
        - EVERYONE should pay for travel through the territory of the republic, for some reason foreigners in our country are not taxed with Plato
        - the structure of payment is maximally simplified
        - user-friendly interface for system operators.

        What do we have:
        - already there are fines right away, but there are still practically no devices, somewhere in Moscow there was a scuffle for receiving them
        - the system does not work properly, there are no devices, you need to draw up a route map, left the route - PENALTY (and suddenly the destination has changed, or the road is closed, it is all around)
        - often everything hangs at all and you can’t even draw a route for yourself, everything works through F, didn’t apply - PENALTY

        Until now, there is a tomograph with tachographs and cryptographic information protection, who in the subject knows how painful and trash this is.

        So you, Mr. good, I would advise you not to cluck without knowing the question.
        1. ImPerts
          ImPerts 2 December 2015 06: 35
          -1
          And, therefore, the minuses have been instructed)))
          Does Belarus mean no problem?

          "Toll roads of Belarus from August 1, 2013

          As planned, on August 1, a system of toll roads in Belarus started operating. While fanfare sounded at the night press conference, abw.by correspondent visited one of the toll booths on the M6 highway.
          It is night, the road is covered with fog, we with a photojournalist rush to the Belneftekhim filling station №38 - there is a BelToll system toll collection point. August 1, exactly at 00.00 - the system transition from test mode to commercial operation ...
          ... the gas station is packed with wagons and cars. Queue, long queue. I did not expect that there would be such bedlam. According to rough estimates, 40 people are expecting. The registration process takes from half an hour to two and a half hours, because someone needs to register one car, the other a few. People cost two, or even three days! Belarusians, Poles, Kazakhs, Ukrainians ... The line is not up to pink snot: faces are harsh, quarrels erupt periodically, but so far there have been no fights. Although with us, a brawl between the two Poles almost happened.
          And this is far from the biggest queue in Belarus. In Minsk, 535 people are registered in the queue of one of the payment points! The situation at the border checkpoints is also difficult: according to the drivers, there are 250 cars in the "rut" near Grodno for registration! At the gas station in Sokol, 267 people were announced. Man, not machines! The number of cars is indicated in brackets on the sheet. For example, OJSC Kommunarka owns 42 cars. How long will it take to process them?
          - The Single Window principle in action! A lot of people - and one window, - the guys say. - Solid mess! The list was hanging recently, but it mysteriously disappeared. Now we stand in
          In fact, this situation simply paralyzed the work of thousands of firms. Can you imagine how much money people will lose? And patience is the limit ...
          ... A regular bus arriving from Ukraine arrives in Vilnius. The driver and representative of the travel agency in shock. Passengers sleep peacefully in the bus - they are not yet aware of the situation, but it is deplorable: to avoid a fine, you need to stand for two or three days in line. There are about 40 people on the bus.
          For this reason, I’m dialing the BelToll hotline number, they tell me there is such a thing everywhere, everyone is waiting.
          - And can it be possible to let regular buses out of turn somehow? After all, there are women, children.
          - Everyone is standing in line, everyone is waiting, ask people in line, maybe they will miss.
          But the queue is adamant ... It is advised to go around the free roads - a good idea. We take out the map, but the driver does not want to go around the roads at night - he is afraid of getting lost. Soon the bus left. Did the driver spit on the fine? And rightly so: do not sit with people at the gas station ... "
          http://www.dalnoboyshiki.eu/forum/threads/platnye-dorogi-belarusi-s-1-avgusta-20
          13-goda.9189 /

          I can conclude that the Republic of Belarus launched the system and debugged it in the process.
          You can call it katavasia or kotovasia)))
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 2 December 2015 07: 23
            10
            And you spread from pictures to articles?
            To me, by the way - not a single minuser has substantiated its minus.
            I’ve painted everything from A to Z, if you have any questions - feel free to answer directly and honestly.

            But in every second comment again about the liberals and the fifth column.
            But no one writes about blatant corruption and the government’s inability to solve the problems of the population, but Obama is to blame for everything.

            Who should I pay this fee? Rostec? In which Serdyukov now sits, in one of the leading positions? Previously, he launched his paws into the pockets of the army, and now into the pockets of carriers? Apparently there, above, they decided that he had stolen a little?
            1. ImPerts
              ImPerts 2 December 2015 07: 34
              0
              Reluctance to communicate, too much rudeness. There is a minus from me, precisely for this.
              1. Megatron
                Megatron 2 December 2015 07: 41
                +2
                Well, I expected something like that in response.
                But in each of your messages "black cash" "anti-Maidan" "protest movements". Shift from a sore head to a healthy one.
                1. ImPerts
                  ImPerts 2 December 2015 07: 45
                  -7
                  A healthy head is not rude. Reading you immediately Makarevich with Gonopolsky recalls.
                  1. Megatron
                    Megatron 2 December 2015 08: 05
                    +7
                    To be honest, maybe I’m writing too emotionally in places, maybe the article touched on the living. But I was not going to be rude to you.

                    I will say that in my opinion your remarks reflect either a clear lack of knowledge of the issue, although they are written with a big claim. Or work on a specific order. That's all I wanted to say.
                    1. ImPerts
                      ImPerts 2 December 2015 08: 30
                      -2
                      Quote: Megatron
                      I will say that in my opinion your remarks reflect either a clear lack of knowledge of the issue, although they are written with a big claim. Or work on a specific order. That's all I wanted to say.

                      You have to conduct an investigation, I do not mind.
                      Although your personal disinterest in the introduction of payment for the passage of heavy vehicles is traced, it does not matter who and how much money is collected.
                      Go ahead, write an article about the results of the investigation of my claims and paid orders. hi
                      1. Megatron
                        Megatron 2 December 2015 08: 56
                        +1
                        your personal disinterest in the introduction of payment for the passage of heavy vehicles is traced and it does not matter who and how much money is collected.


                        On the 15th, a new tariff comes to me, which is "with plato", I just know that in the end I will give this money, and in the end, on top of that, because with the state as with a casino - only the casino wins. But I think not only of myself.
                      2. ImPerts
                        ImPerts 2 December 2015 09: 11
                        +5
                        In any case, the state will win. Therefore, the anarchists categorically did not welcome any power.
          2. Victor-M
            Victor-M 2 December 2015 13: 05
            +1
            Quote: Megatron
            Who should I pay this fee? Rostec?

            Good, lament that. Well, if it’s so expensive for you to engage in cargo transportation, then why don’t you change your job? Probably all the same because the loot is not bad cut. I already have a lot of friends involved in this type of activity, and for some reason I won’t say that everything is so bad with them. About the repair of roads broken by heavy trucks, then this is another topic, the topic of road workers, so turn to them, but you understand they want to cut loot and give good roads (which they themselves break) with minimal cost to them.
          3. ARES623
            ARES623 2 December 2015 13: 19
            +1
            Quote: Megatron
            I’ve painted everything from A to Z, if you have any questions - feel free to answer directly and honestly.

            So answer - what are you against, actually? In one post you are outraged by the principle of paying for tolls on federal roads, in another you are worried about alleged theft. You will decide. I personally think that roads, in principle, need to be done and a lot. And this task is almost like the construction of "Vostochny", under a personal eye and under personal responsibility, even if the same Dvorkovich. Let the order receive for success, but for theft and failure it must actually be planted or washed down the drain, as the court decides. Where to get the funds? To begin with, shake out Kudrin and the company, return it from foreign securities and invest in fundamental infrastructure projects such as "roads", "100% gasification of the country (at least to the level of Ukraine)", "irrigation systems in arid agricultural regions." Not enough, it is also possible with road maintenance. Add one ruble to the excise tax for this purpose. He who travels more, who is more lucky, pays more. Citizen, non-citizen, resident, non-resident - everything pays, including diplomatic missions. And administration is not God only knows what, and everything is in equal conditions. Theft, however, is more difficult, because they try to drag and deceive at all turns of fate - both drivers, and storekeepers, and hands. TC, and builders. Well, from the word EVERYTHING. And the "fifth column" with all the persons involved must be employed somewhere in the "light" or timber industry, ie in the "open air". To leave in Moscow one ambassador from the United States, with the right to move within the Moscow Ring Road, to liquidate all US consulates, as NGOs and foreign funding. Introduce the death penalty for the relevant offenses as a supreme measure. Such are the dreams. In the meantime, the citizen of Solzhenitsyn is on our list of awards, and the veterans of Afghanistan and Chechnya even without rehabilitation treatment, these dreams have no prerequisites. Crying, nevertheless, is not necessary, with time we will "cover" the bulk.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 2 December 2015 07: 04
        20
        Quote: Megatron
        What do we have:
        - already there are fines right away, but there are still practically no devices, somewhere in Moscow there was a scuffle for receiving them
        - the system does not work properly, there are no devices, you need to draw up a route map, left the route - PENALTY (and suddenly the destination has changed, or the road is closed, it is all around)
        - often everything hangs at all and you can’t even draw a route for yourself, everything works through F, didn’t apply - PENALTY

        In my opinion, for all the controversy and incorrectness of the organization of this "Plato", it was necessary to first establish the infrastructure, run it in a test mode (without paying for the mileage), take into account all the difficulties that arise in the form of a route change, etc., and only THEN collect money. And here, as usual, they will start at random, they will rip off the money, and then, when the obvious stupidity of the venture is visible, they will abandon it. Just remember the vouchers. I'm not talking about the results of privatization, but 25 rubles from 150 million inhabitants of Russia with almost Soviet money is a good jackpot for pieces of colored paper ...

        Once, on the opening day, I had a chance to call into a new "Auchan", where for the first time in the city a cashless service system was introduced. What was there! There are VERY few people, but buying a kilogram of sausage, milk and bread turned into a 40-minute torture for me, after which I left the unsuccessful purchases in the store and left. People do not know how to handle terminals, the interface is unfriendly to the limit, there is one boy-consultant for all terminals. And the most interesting thing is that when an attempt is made to cancel, the terminal goes into deep freeze and without the help of a boy - one in fifty terminals and two hundred angry customers - they do not defrost in any way ... Was there a month later - everything worked without problems.

        So why not think up possible problems BEFORE, and NOT AFTER? Unclear...

        And about the "Plato" system itself in general. At least once they would come up with such a tax so that it would not be collected from our purchasing pocket. What will change for carriers, resellers and others involved in the chain? Never mind. The ton-kilometer will go up in price, then this will go up, this will go up ... As a result, the granny will come to the store for milk and pay for this kilometer.
        1. afdjhbn67
          afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 07: 17
          14
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          In my opinion, with all the controversy and incorrectness of the organization of this "Plato", it was first necessary to establish the infrastructure, run it in test mode

          Well, what you dear - denyujek to tears hunting .. no urine to wait ..
        2. CONTROL
          CONTROL 2 December 2015 07: 50
          +2
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          it was necessary to first establish the infrastructure, run it in test mode ...
          Once on the opening day I had a chance to call into a new "Auchan", where for the first time in the city they introduced a cashless service system .... People do not know how to handle terminals ... I was there a month later - everything worked without problems.

          So why not think up possible problems BEFORE, and NOT AFTER? Unclear...

          And the introduction of tachographs, GPS and GLONASS sensors is such an attempt to think through and debug! How much does it already work? Two years? ...
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          At least once they would come up with such a tax so that it would not be collected from our purchasing pocket.

          ... When was it different? The state lives at the expense of citizens. of which it consists - this is the state itself! Do you think they don't take anything from "enterprising entrepreneurs"? but they don’t even bother themselves, they only get rich, robbing both us and the state? ... There are, of course, moments ... but who now (and always!) finds it easy?
          The state has taken and will always take! with us - citizens of this state! because the state is WE!
          ... You can, of course, take from Turkey - plunder by raid ... in alliance with neighboring barbarian tribes ... and so it was - before the formation of "states" ...
          So - to be indignant at the increase in taxes and the emergence of new ones, of course, it is necessary ... but they must be paid even more mandatory!
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 2 December 2015 10: 45
            -3
            because the state is WE! ,,
            don’t give an address to know who you are? I remember already one Louis declared, “THE STATE IS ME,”
          2. Gardamir
            Gardamir 2 December 2015 11: 51
            +5
            the state - this is WE!
            You probably 30 years ago fell asleep with a lethargic dream. Now the bourgeois state, the last 2 years in the Kremlin, as if brutalized, began to destroy on all fronts. We are constantly being told that things were bad in the Soviet Union, but here tax is tax-deductible. Those who are drivers, you pay the transport tax, which is supposedly for the repair of roads. Why another one?
            1. Down House
              Down House 2 December 2015 12: 30
              -1
              Quote: Gardamir
              You probably 30 years ago fell asleep with a lethargic dream.

              You probably all urgently need to read a textbook on TGP - the state is power, initially it is a monarch-aristocracy, today it is business officials.
              And without this it is impossible in any way, when a certain number is exceeded, people who do not belong to the same owner begin to massively kill each other - just a couple of thousand years ago, before the first "princes", 25-75% of the population stably perished from violent deaths hi
              So stop breeding Anarchy here!
        3. andr327
          andr327 2 December 2015 08: 01
          +9
          But I look at the actions of the government and observe very similar decisions: it is necessary to strengthen control, for which purpose a new controlling organization with the creation of some kind of automated system should be introduced. And everything is desirable, so that this controller wouldn’t raise his ass from the chair, but by pressing a button he could proudly report further improvement, strengthening, increasing and decreasing ... Moreover, as they brought a palette to the stores, they will and will not you will not be confused. The creation of these inflated control bodies is a way to smear the responsibility of leaders and conceal their inactivity, mask disguise of corruption, cut the budget (it doesn't remind about prison bracelets).
          But the long-range combaters are sorry, I am waiting for the appearance of Gazelles with a carrying capacity of 60 tons. (Belazs will rest)
      3. CONTROL
        CONTROL 2 December 2015 07: 33
        +4
        Quote: Megatron
        So you, Mr. good, I would advise you not to cluck without knowing the question.

        ... here I am, for example: I drove wagons and built roads ...
        Long-range heavy-duty trucks "kill" the newly built road during the "autumn-winter-spring" season ... and over the summer they bury it ...
        The introduction of tachographs and Plato will at least somehow reduce the mass of cargo transportation by motor transport, and - in the hope of - moving freight transportation to other modes of transport (railway, river), cheaper and easier to control.
        Trucks are a gypsy tribe of "tough muzhikaty men", but in fact: a semi-criminal community! I carry the cargo according to the waybill - and in the refrigerator-truck between the boxes of fish - ... this is mine, personal; They will buy it with pleasure and not cheaply from me in the Rostov region and take it in their arms to Ukraine ... or from the Crimea to Georgia ... And I'll take it back - ... this! God willing - I won't get caught ... and I will earn!
        ... This is how a significant part of the "poor long-range fighters" live! ... Moreover, for self-defense, they are allowed to carry smoothbore, pompovukh ...
        In my opinion, it is a bit late for the authorities "to decide the issue" - the structure has formed quite well and has become stronger (and there are clear tendencies of sliding into crime)! ...
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 2 December 2015 07: 51
          +8
          I don’t know what or whom you built or drove there, I see only the next sofa gag.

          Of course they will kill, any road, if at least half of the funds for its construction are stolen. And for the remaining half, they’ll build a minimum of shit, you need to get superprofits, and even roll back the bureaucrats.
          For example, how we built the "Flora" KAD, I think many Petersburgers are aware.

          A recent example is that a German office came to the tender of the new Spb-Msk highway and offered an unconditional guarantee of 50 (!!!!!) years on the canvas and service all the time and after. With a price about a quarter higher than ours.
          They were politely removed, because they do not give kickbacks to anyone. And won ours. At us all the largest tenders are won by the same persons. Coincidence? I don’t think so.

          And what about the trunks? The law on arms trafficking seems to be one for all. And if anyone carries it, then how many drivers were killed, and even now they are killed on the roads. And who allows such a rampant crime.
          1. Down House
            Down House 2 December 2015 09: 46
            0
            Quote: Megatron
            you need to get superprofits, and even roll back bureaucrats.

            Yes, yes, of course, but you are far-fetched, directly holy and disinterested, to carry bricks all over the Russian Federation back and without sleep and with excesses, about the fact that now I almost keep silent on wagons of drug addicts.
            It is high time for your sphere of activity to be licensed and monitored, you are now essentially working in the mode of ferrymen "before duties" - this is not correct.
            1. Hon
              Hon 2 December 2015 10: 20
              +1
              Quote: Down House
              Yes, yes, of course, but you are far-fetched, directly holy and disinterested, to carry bricks all over the Russian Federation back and without sleep and with excesses, about the fact that now I almost keep silent on wagons of drug addicts.
              It is high time for your sphere of activity to be licensed and monitored, you are now essentially working in the mode of ferrymen "before duties" - this is not correct.

              Who carries bricks with trucks for long distances? it is a freight for railway, and construction companies usually have their own transport.
              What mode do they work in? what nonsense in general? indulge in drugs themselves or what?
              1. Down House
                Down House 2 December 2015 10: 39
                0
                Quote: Hon
                Who carries bricks with trucks for long distances?

                They carry it, personally read the blog of a long-range truck, here it personally carries bricks (more precisely reinforced concrete blocks) from the European part of the Russian Federation to the Asian and vice versa.
                1. Hon
                  Hon 2 December 2015 11: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: Down House
                  They carry it, personally read the blog of a long-range truck, here it personally carries bricks (more precisely reinforced concrete blocks) from the European part of the Russian Federation to the Asian and vice versa.

                  oddly enough, twenty tons of facing brick is about 4000 pieces, at a price of 8 p. apiece, will go 32000 p., the delivery of twenty tons of cargo per thousand kilometers. there will be a minimum of 60000 p., it turns out a rise in price by 200% due to transportation costs.
                  1. Down House
                    Down House 2 December 2015 11: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Hon
                    at a price of 8 p. a piece

                    Who?
                    Quote: Hon
                    delivery of twenty tons of cargo per thousand kilometers. there will be a minimum of 60000 r

                    But how do they carry them! fellow
                    1. Hon
                      Hon 2 December 2015 12: 16
                      0
                      Quote: Down House
                      Who?

                      this is the price of sellers of building materials, the minimum truth.
                      Quote: Down House
                      But how do they carry them!

                      over a large distance in large batches of railway transportation, from warehouses to sellers and from sellers by buyers by trucks, but not a thousand kilometers but much closer.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 2 December 2015 07: 59
          11
          Quote: CONTROL
          ... here I am, for example: I drove wagons and built roads ...
          Long-range heavy-duty trucks "kill" the newly built road during the "autumn-winter-spring" season ... and over the summer they bury it ...

          Maybe you, dear CONTROL, then explain to me this incident. I have been driving on the same road for more than 60 years. First to my grandmother in the village, then to the dacha ... Previously, under the Soviet Union, there were small cracks on it, but there was NEVER RUT. I talked with people, they tell me that before there were no forty-tonnes. Let's admit. But why then in the city center, where freight traffic is CLOSED, on the road in a month KOLEYA? But there are no cracks. Maybe it's not the number of cars or their mass? The asphalting technology has somehow changed. The asphalt has become more "bituminous" and somewhat coarse ...

          On the roads, not an expert, exclusively at the consumer level. But maybe in the direction of technology to think about?
          1. Down House
            Down House 2 December 2015 09: 52
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            But why then in the center of the city, where the freight traffic is CLOSED, on the road in a month the RUT? But there are no cracks. Maybe it's not about the number of cars and not about their mass?

            The point is the estimated speeds and loads of the road.
            If a road, for example, of category 5 was originally designed for 60 km / h, and today it drives 100, then it will kill without trucks even in six months.
            Therefore, if you always thought that the speeds in the traffic rules are set for your safety, then you are mistaken hi
        3. sa-ag
          sa-ag 2 December 2015 08: 03
          +4
          Quote: CONTROL
          The introduction of tachographs and Plato will at least somehow reduce the mass of goods transported by motor transport, and - in the hope of - moving goods to other types of transport (railway, river), cheaper

          Is this railway cheap?
        4. bubalik
          bubalik 2 December 2015 08: 11
          +4
          but in fact: a semi-criminal community! I’m carrying cargo on the waybill - and in the refrigerator wagon between the boxes of fish - ... this, my personal one;


          ,,, and not even personal ,,,
          The client delivers the goods to the shopping center, during the execution of the TTN the nature of the cargo the words sender, loaded into the car under the seal and drove off. Not at one post will not open. So we carry around the country and weapons, and drugs ,,, anything.
          1. Megatron
            Megatron 2 December 2015 08: 58
            +2
            Heh, I will say more, not all shopping malls take the passport data of the client. laughing
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 2 December 2015 09: 03
              +1

              Megatron (2) SU  Today, 08: 58 ↑ New
              Heh, I will say more, not all shopping malls take passport data of a client


              ,,, hi in the know, passed
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          2. afdjhbn67
            afdjhbn67 2 December 2015 09: 07
            +2
            Quote: bubalik
            The client delivers the cargo to the shopping center, when the TTN is issued, the nature of the cargo, according to the sender, was loaded into the car under the seal and drove off. N

            And what does Plato have to do with this ??
            1. bubalik
              bubalik 2 December 2015 09: 12
              +2
              afdjhbn67 (2) SU  Today, 09: 07 ↑


              ,,, I comment
              CONTROL (2) RU  Today, 07: 33 ↑
              wrote ,,
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        5. 97110
          97110 2 December 2015 10: 43
          0
          Quote: CONTROL
          other types of transport (railway, river), cheaper and easier to control.

          A highly controversial statement. Back in 1985, he considered the prime cost of 10 tkm for the river shipping company. TWO times higher than that of the neighboring North Caucasus Railway. Despite the fact that the railway costs on the river - from the budget. I don’t think the river has dropped in price over the years. Easier to control? Somehow, at the request of the customs, the "Volgo-Don" of Turkish cement in big bags was counted twice. 4000 tons. At the expense of the port, of course. Cleaning wagons from cargo residues. Didn't you flinch? Well, good. Cargo goes to motor vehicles because there is 1. Cheaper, 2. Easier, 3. Faster, 4. To the door. And they won't come back.
      4. Cron1982
        Cron1982 2 December 2015 08: 40
        +2
        You also do not own the question, judging by the written.
        Firstly, where is the information that foreigners are not taxed? The charge is imposed on all vehicles weighing over 12t. regardless of the country of registration. Why then so many points at the borders?
        The second one. No need to look at Europe. The charging system introduced in Germany is also not ideal; there are problems and shortcomings. Go to German sites and read. And not rumored by the godfather.
        The third. On-board devices are enough. You just need to raise your ass and contact the clearance center. The route map is an alternative to the on-board device. Not all the time, they drive along federal highways.
      5. Down House
        Down House 2 December 2015 09: 40
        +2
        Quote: Megatron
        Cotovasia with tachographs and ccci

        What a cat ?!
        How they traveled across the Russian Federation in 2005-6 with these tachographs, what’s happening to them without them, so they probably go.
        Figley - the Russian Federation is not a Europe, in Europe at once it will be pulled and twisted and they will be let go around the world for violations, in the Russian Federation everyone can complain and nothing will happen to him!
    2. LVMI1980
      LVMI1980 2 December 2015 08: 55
      0
      Not understood... am
      If you are Schumacher, then I’m a policeman with a sniper rod.
      ...
  • CONTROL
    CONTROL 2 December 2015 07: 18
    0
    Quote: Megatron
    Shame and shame. That's all I wanted to say.

    ... it would be good - forever!
  • Monetniy
    Monetniy 2 December 2015 08: 40
    12
    You vote for the worst, look, a year later - there is a boar sitting on the TV, mugging that ass, it still teaches me how to live, you bastard !!! Fedorov himself voted for the tax per ton, and now the fifth column says that it is the enemy. Hypocritical type. Anything they are ready to say if only to snout the snout from the trough
    1. creak
      creak 2 December 2015 10: 12
      +3
      Quote: Monetniy
      Anything they are ready to say if only to snout the snout from the trough


      That's why they live, otherwise they will drive away from this trough for an "unenthusiastic way of thinking" - he and others like him do not know how to do anything else, so they sing along with any foolishness of the leadership ...
      "We do not sow, do not plow, do not build
      We are proud of the social order ... "
  • ANTI.KORR.
    ANTI.KORR. 3 December 2015 07: 01
    +2
    Quote: Megatron
    I do not know to whom it is addressed, maybe the notorious "kremlebots", I have not heard such moronism for a long time.

    There are already reviews on)))
  • ImPerts
    ImPerts 2 December 2015 05: 42
    18
    "Plato" is a strange construction and most likely it was necessary to introduce it in stages. But this is my personal opinion. Again, I am only in favor of introducing versatile control systems.
    In all this whistle, I don’t understand the whole hype. which everyone is fanning.
    With the introduction of control, I agree. It is necessary. The rest is emotions and disorder:

    PS The non-systemic opposition so rose up because:
    1) There is an opportunity to ride a wave;
    2) There is a reason for reports to various curators;
    3) Accounting and control are murderous for them, black cash feeds the whole opposition.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 05: 48
      +1
      Soon, “Plato” will be involved in requisitions and from cars?
      In the payment system for the use of roads of federal significance Plato, tabs have been made for vans, cars, as well as buses.
      Those who have already registered on the site, not without reason, assume that after the system is rolled in trucks and heavy trucks, it will start to work for all vehicles.
      Proof for unbelievers. Already provided for the tab in the PLATO and the van and passenger car. Does anyone else think that this ONLY concerns truckers? On the site where the route data is displayed, all vehicles really appear, including cars (see screen).
      Note that the system only calculates fares for federal highways. Meanwhile, it is known that a number of regional officials are already going to come up with an initiative to make roads of regional and local significance toll.


      For those who have not yet understood what kind of hydra this is, and thinks that it will not affect him.
      1. ImPerts
        ImPerts 2 December 2015 06: 22
        0
        May not introduce a kilometer-wage payment, may enter a daily rate. In some countries they do so. And if we consider the cost of a kilometer, then in Russia it, like fines, is much less.
        The picture of fines and average salaries is higher)))
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 2 December 2015 08: 02
          +2
          Quote: ImPerts
          May not introduce a kilometer-wage payment, may enter a daily rate. In some countries they do so. And if we consider the cost of a kilometer, then in Russia it, like fines, is much less.
          The picture of fines and average salaries is higher)))

          In our town. ma-a-a-lazy ... a man gets up from the morning on Saturday and says: "And I'll go to the store ... to the market ... to the garage or to the cellar ... to the dacha ..." Although We have such a "city" - if you do not strain too much, then you can spit on the market and the store from the balcony ... and walk faster to the cellar or dacha than start it up ... warm it up ... leave the parking lot ... stand at traffic lights ...
          Why am I personally! - Almost do not sit behind the wheel! already began to lose driving skills ... But is it bad? ...
          1. 97110
            97110 2 December 2015 11: 52
            +1
            Quote: CONTROL
            In our town. maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ...

            The presence of traffic lights, even presented to the city by grateful and socially responsible businessmen, suggests a city that can be walked along or across at least 30 minutes on foot. So what about
            Quote: CONTROL
            you can add to the market and the store from the balcony ...
            You lied. But essentially right.
            1. Hon
              Hon 2 December 2015 12: 47
              0
              Quote: 97110
              The presence of traffic lights, even presented to the city by grateful and socially responsible businessmen, suggests a city that can be walked along or across at least 30 minutes on foot. So what about

              Arkadak city, Saratov region, I don’t know the population of the city, but 14 thousand people live in the district. there is a traffic light in the city, although I can get through it from one end to the other in less than an hour
            2. CONTROL
              CONTROL 3 December 2015 09: 00
              0
              Quote: 97110
              So what about
              Quote: CONTROL
              you can add to the market and the store from the balcony ...
              You lied. But essentially right.

              ... no offense: but with "hyperboles" (not as a mathematical term) and "metaphors" - as literary techniques - you are not familiar?
              ... And we have four spetophores! in pieces ...
              Yours!
              1. 97110
                97110 3 December 2015 09: 39
                0
                Quote: CONTROL
                And we have four spetophores! in pieces ..

                That is ONE intersection, not fully equipped? Or 4 traffic lights with 32 traffic lights? We have three intersections equipped, 20 traffic lights like pinned.
      2. murking
        murking 2 December 2015 06: 29
        0
        Well done thrower, there was already a refutation of power that this will never happen.
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 37
          +4


          Here you have a refutation.

          Do you believe our power? Who exactly? Verkhrvnomu, or those hold-muzzle, which are sitting in the front row.
          1. atalef
            atalef 2 December 2015 06: 56
            10
            Quote: Megatron
            Here you have a refutation.

            Do you believe our power? Who exactly? Verkhrvnomu, or those hold-muzzle, which are sitting in the front row.

            This generally remarkably intersects with the article (Should I rename ISIS)
            It’s very convenient for authorities to disguise uncomfortable things as tricky words
            WHY DO THE PLATO SPEAK?
            Why be afraid to call a spade a spade?
            ROAD TAX ?!
            Because it’s scary, suddenly it’s unraveled that the authorities will suddenly have to answer uncomfortable questions and appears
            road tax - PLATO
            ISIS- DAYESH
            volatility - volatility
            different trends, g e and, recessions .IPU (index of entrepreneurial confidence laughing !) - you read articles and sometimes you don’t understand at all who they are written for - it's time to make footnotes on neologisms.
            1. CONTROL
              CONTROL 2 December 2015 08: 10
              -3
              Quote: atalef

              ISIS- DAYESH
              volatility - volatility
              different trends, g e and, recessions .IPU (index of entrepreneurial confidence laughing !) - you read articles and sometimes you don’t understand at all who they are written for - it's time to make footnotes on neologisms.

              ... and the head - brains - to turn on? ...
              ...I tried, with very variable and doubtful success ...
            2. Megatron
              Megatron 2 December 2015 09: 00
              +4
              Atalef, this is my first plus for all the time that I put you.
              Prior to this, our points of view did not coincide. winked

              Even the "poor" have not been found in our country for a long time. There are only the "needy". hi
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 2 December 2015 08: 06
            +1
            Quote: Megatron
            Putin: there will be no new taxes on small business
            Here you have a refutation.

            Do you believe our power? Who exactly? Verkhrvnomu, or those hold-muzzle, which are sitting in the front row.

            And Plato - though a tax, but not on "small business"!
            But for the actual "small business" for the last years, and rightly so - nothing has been added! benefits - yes, they introduced ...
            1. sa-ag
              sa-ag 2 December 2015 09: 44
              +3
              Quote: CONTROL
              And Plato - though a tax, but not on "small business"!

              Well, a Kamaz man bought it and decided to take up transportation, which is not a small business
    2. Hon
      Hon 2 December 2015 09: 13
      +1
      This "director of the transport company" reminded me of the officer's daughter. in general, with Plato, everything is not so simple wassat
      1. Good me
        Good me 3 December 2015 23: 46
        0
        Quote: Hon
        This "director of the transport company" reminded me of the officer's daughter. in general, with Plato, everything is not so simple


        Plato is my friend, but truth is in a glass ...
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  • Just BB
    Just BB 2 December 2015 05: 52
    +4
    Another thing surprises me: why is the truck going from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk?
    What is Russian Railways in Russia for?
    Can the "conservatory" be repaired? "(Otherwise private property does not lead to the promised prosperity of the industry, but to the prosperity of its managers)
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 05: 57
      10
      WITH RZD VERY not comfortable to work with. Madly tight office in terms of workflow and red tape. And the average speed of the freight train, with all the stops and trailers, goes to the region of 30 km / h in Russia. Moreover, it is not possible to deliver directly from point A to point B, you need to load onto the railway, and then unload and bring it to the final destination.

      So ask some stupid questions.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 2 December 2015 07: 49
        +6
        Quote: Megatron
        It is VERY inconvenient to work with Russian Railways. Madly tight office in terms of workflow and red tape. And the average speed of the freight train, with all the stops and trailers, goes to the region of 30 km / h in Russia. Moreover, it is not possible to deliver directly from point A to point B, you need to load onto the railway, and then unload and bring it to the final destination.

        I have the feeling that since the days of steam traction in the Russian Railways, only the top management and the method of profit distribution have changed. And the "lost compounds", the paper sea, driven into the computer shores and the guys with long-handled hammers have not gone anywhere.
    2. stayer
      stayer 2 December 2015 09: 05
      +7
      Quote: Just VV
      Another thing surprises me: why is the truck going from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk?
      What is Russian Railways in Russia for?

      Here the Minister of Transport (Sokolov) also argues, I recently saw his interview. He doesn’t carry goods, he’s not in the know.
      Will explain. Imagine you are a small businessman from Novosibirsk. You have several product outlets. You need 1-2 trucks per month (this is 1 railway carriage), you will not master anymore. Once every 2 weeks you order in tr. company car and you bring the goods. The car from St. Petersburg to Novosib takes 5-6 days.
      Now look at the train. Firstly, you need to cooperate with someone to fill the railway carriage, because no one will be lucky for the wagon, or rather they will be lucky, but you will pay for the full one. Or you buy immediately a wagon of products, which is very good for a small entrepreneur. overhead. Further, you wait for the train to form, because no one sends a train from behind one car. Those. You are dependent on other suppliers. The formed squad went to you. But along the way, he stops in different cities to unhitch / hook other wagons from other suppliers. Thus, from the formation of the order to delivery to Novosibirsk, it takes from 2 weeks to 20 days. Moreover, the goods were delivered not to your base, but to the sorting station. You need to find transport and deliver your cargo from the sorting station to the base or your stores.
      Thus, railway transportation pays off only at gigantic volumes, and for entrepreneurs this is absolutely not an option.
      1. Down House
        Down House 2 December 2015 10: 14
        0
        Quote: stayer
        Imagine you are a small businessman from Novosibirsk. You have several product outlets.

        Yes, and you carry goods from St. Petersburg to Vladivostok!
        Quote: stayer
        Thus, railway transportation pays off only with gigantic volumes,

        And then we complain about network retailers fellow
        1. stayer
          stayer 2 December 2015 11: 07
          +1
          Specifically, I drive cargo, including to Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. Perhaps you can not imagine the breadth of geography of Russia. And an entrepreneur from any city orders transport from point A to point B, there are no restrictions.
          1. Down House
            Down House 2 December 2015 11: 17
            +1
            Quote: stayer
            Specifically, I drive cargo, including to Vladivostok and Khabarovsk.

            Specifically, in the Russian Federation with business, there is complete anarchy, on one street in the city of N there can be 5 permanently empty mobile communication salons and 10 permanently standing taxis in the square - in this case we will carry brick to the city of N for 1000 km, because not a single brick factory in the city of N there is not a radius of 100 km!
            Therefore, personally, I am in favor of any "certification" and "consolidation" of any business, as a more effective way of both its management and optimization of finances in the economy.
            1. stayer
              stayer 2 December 2015 13: 30
              0
              All right, you say, it's good to have production in every city, etc. But there are goods that we do not have a priori. For example, bananas, well, they do not grow in Russia. And their arrival is only at two points Peter and Novorossiysk (usually Peter). And to Novosib, that from St. Petersburg, that from Novoros, the run is about the same. What do retailers order 50-60 trucks in a month, but by no means a train of the same volume.
              1. Gomunkul
                Gomunkul 2 December 2015 17: 27
                0
                What do retailers order 50-60 trucks in a month, but by no means a train of the same volume.
                The eternal topic, I will say this, those who have access roads and infrastructure for end-users are sharpened for acceptance of railway wagons, he works through the Russian Railways, who have no access roads and infrastructure is sharpened for acceptance of vehicles works through the shopping center. hi
  • Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 2 December 2015 06: 03
    +4
    They - ...... American food - have a short memory? Or do they think that long-range people are such stupid people that they don’t see what these swamp werewolves are pulling into them ?!
  • saksan
    saksan 2 December 2015 06: 05
    +4
    A situation similar to Khopyorskaya has developed in the Chelyabinsk Region for the construction of the Tominsky GOK. The GOK will not bring much damage compared to the Korkinsky opencast mine, the ecology of the region and the city of Chelyabinsk. pickets, and all this is done by NGOs.
  • Sergey Vladimirovich
    Sergey Vladimirovich 2 December 2015 06: 05
    11
    The next tax (read levy) is designed primarily to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads, in this "cunning" way competitors are eliminated ... Those who do not pull these payments will be forced to leave. They want to get people out of business in a legal way. And the chatter about the quality of roads and the need to find funds for their construction and repair - this is already a hackneyed, banal excuse! The quality of roads will not improve after the introduction of these "taxes"! The collection of money will begin and immediately another weighty reason interfering with road construction will be invented and announced! Just another injection into someone's pocket ... Making money out of thin air is much "harder", much easier - with the world on a string, and a "beggar" (orphan, practically) a ready-made shirt! .. Embroidered with gold and with diamond buttons .. And the quality of roads is a separate issue ... It is also impossible to blame heavy-ton trucks, that only they are to blame for the broken road infrastructure. On many tracks, there is a rut in the coverage on the left lane (trucks, in principle, go on the right, but it is smoother!) - that's the question! Who is to blame and what to do?..
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 16
      -1
      Your remark about the rut is very true, I advise you to read the article where it is painted from the point of view of mathematics. If not for the last stupid paragraph about Putin, I would have agreed to the article 100%. http://eugenyshultz.livejournal.com/635156.html
      1. CONTROL
        CONTROL 2 December 2015 08: 39
        +2
        Quote: Megatron
        Your remark about the rut is very true, I advise you to read the article where it is painted from the point of view of mathematics. If not for the last stupid paragraph about Putin, I would have agreed to the article 100%. http://eugenyshultz.livejournal.com/635156.html

        The article is a delight of the illiterate! Calculations of "axle load", "ground pressure" ... and te te - amateurish, not to say worse! ...
        I will send "for an educational program" to the "soil mechanics" of Tsytovich, since nothing is more difficult, apparently, for the author Schultz ...) not to master ...
        ... And the starting-braking (if cho - horizontal ... and the reaction of the road surface) from a heavy truck and a passenger car were counted? This is where the area of ​​the tire plays a role! as well as when maneuvering ... not to mention the other specificity of heavy trucks - "treadless" tires (by the way, they wear out much more intensively than on "passenger" ones - strange, right?: the road does not wear out, but the tires "burn". ..
        And what kind of chemistry is used in winter by these "non-protectors"? have you ever seen the road drenched with such a "de-icer"? And on heavy trucks in winter, over the wheel, the tanks are installed with "him"! and he pours this muck, and gasps ... until he "gnaws" the ice-snow crust to asphalt or concrete ...
        And the reasoning that the road lies on the ground, and the earth will endure everything ... any weight! should be referred to the classical calculations "slabs of infinite length with a fixed width, limited stiffness, placed on an elastic-plastic base ..." If anything - simplified, this is the road! For those who wish - beginners "Sherlock Holmes" - I would advise you to watch the rollers of squeezed soil - earth that "will endure everything" - along the roadsides, where the permissible "axle loads" are significantly exceeded ...
    2. 3 Gorynych
      3 Gorynych 2 December 2015 06: 29
      +4
      I don’t know where you saw the trucks in the right lane, if only in the city? On the highway they rush along the left ... or in the middle of the road if possible.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 59
        +3
        I don’t know where you saw this, on our St. Petersburg Ring Road there are 2 left rows in a strong rut, but the right ones are just nothing.

        Of course, there are fools at the wheel of heavy trucks, but in order to tell us some kind of passion right in the left or even in the MIDDLE, in the middle.

        By the way, we have most of the federal highways - generally two-lane, last week I just drove to Vyborg on such a route, and so - the trucks all go half the way along the road to give cars an opportunity to easily overtake themselves. Do not consider it work, blink such an accident.
        1. Whatabout
          Whatabout 2 December 2015 14: 11
          +1
          Quote: Megatron
          Of course, there are fools at the wheel of heavy trucks, but in order to tell us some kind of passion right in the left or even in the MIDDLE, in the middle.

          Passion, you say? Every day I see how some thread of "genius" on a wagon goes along the fourth lane on the Moscow Ring Road, where it is forbidden to stick your nose beyond the second. Well, several times a month there is a talent that will roll out to the fifth page.

          Talk about all kinds of sprinters and so on. analogues of gazelles traveling in the fifth row are already even tired.

          And if cars for violating the row are mercilessly fined (1.5k for the curb), then something similar actions with respect to breaking the row for trucks / gazelles are visible.
    3. Terner38
      Terner38 2 December 2015 08: 25
      0
      Trucks go where exactly. They break the right - go on the left.
    4. Down House
      Down House 2 December 2015 10: 18
      0
      Quote: Sergey Vladimirovich
      Those who do not pull these payments - will be forced to leave.

      It is written above that whoever works on white is not important, problems will begin only for unprincipled black carriers.
      The result will be like a taxi at one time - how many howls there were at one time among the black bombs, but in the end everything is now only in the black - well, except for the black ones, of course, which drove for 10 km for 2000 rubles laughing
  • hammer stalker
    hammer stalker 2 December 2015 06: 08
    -2
    I am for Plato !!! But since we live in the largest country in the world !!! Make a fee of ten cents per kilometer! After all, there wasn’t such a board. There will be money, and there will be roads.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 2 December 2015 06: 21
      +6
      Quote: Stalker Molotov
      !! Make a fee of ten cents per kilometer!

      and set the coin acceptors in a kilometer, the first is at the garage ...
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    3. 34 region
      34 region 2 December 2015 07: 32
      +2
      Who will have the money? And who cares? If the money fell into private, then consider it was gone.
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2015 06: 19
    0
    TV channel "Rain"


    The swamp crawled out again. Like leeches, for fresh blood. And when will you get to these rains, parnassos and so forth?
    Why does our defense begin to work, after the fact of what happened, and not during, but rather before?
    Until then, all these slugs will crawl out.
    1. zekaze1980
      zekaze1980 2 December 2015 06: 24
      +1
      Leech is a good creature, the worm is more suitable for them)
  • zekaze1980
    zekaze1980 2 December 2015 06: 20
    +3
    I am for life with confiscation of property for officials for bribes !!! And what about how ordinary people were robbed and robbed, and these from the 5th column to the mines!
  • sa-zz
    sa-zz 2 December 2015 06: 21
    -1
    L.I. bers.t.o.v on k.o.l!
  • Megatron
    Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 24
    10
    A little more about Plato:
    The history of the creation of Plato is the story of inventing and depressing a project specifically for Igor Rotenberg.
    Let the whole country go on strike, if only Igor Rotenberg made a little money.

    1. The government decides to create an operator that will collect money from heavy vehicles across the country. Truckers break roads, especially during floods, so you need to centrally charge and distribute fairly.
    2. The idea is not bad, let's choose (in an open competition with the participation of foreigners with experience) the operator company - the government decides.
    3. Here Chemezov crawls out from Rostec: for reasons of national security, a contest cannot be held, everything must be given to Rostec’s “daughter”.
    4. approx. You can’t argue with national security. A “daughter” of Rostec is being created, the right to collect money from truckers is transferred to it.
    5. Today we are informed: The son of Arkady Rotenberg will collect a fee from truckers. He acquired 25% of the operator of the toll system, which from November will cover all federal highways.
    That is, the very daughter of Rostec, who, for national security, quietly, without noise and tendering, took Rotenberg-ml shareholders.

    Well, fuck, they just squeezed the money theme out of an open competition under the pretext of national security, and then they gave their share to Rotenberg’s son.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 24
      14
      2. Of course, as is always the case with projects squeezed out as a monopolist, on the day Plato was launched, nothing was ready, it did not work. Everyone should pay, but the drivers do not understand anything, the equipment is not ready and in general chaos.
      3. All this catastrophe is needed in order to raise 40 billion rubles “for road repair” from long-range fighting. Only this amount is absolutely ridiculous nationwide, this year they will spend 622 billion on this, obviously, without much success. Allegations that the new toll will improve the condition of roads is a lie.
      4. Of the collected 40 billion a year, 10 will go to the "concessionaire", that is, Rotenberg and Co.
      Do not forget that driver-controlled equipment for the whole country will cost 14 billion. He, of course, will also be put by the "concessionaire" at an inflated price, having written this in his expenses, which are compensable at the expense of the fee.
      5. It is important to understand that this is not just a new money levy for small businesses (a significant part of trucks are IPshniks), it is also a bunch of headaches and additional administration, paper work, control, etc.

      In accordance with the innovations, truck drivers will need to pay in advance by agreeing on the route of the truck with RT-invest transport systems, TASS recalls. To register the distance traveled will be a special on-board device, which must be purchased additionally. Ensure that the device must be on board each truck, the traffic police will have to. For the lack of an accounting device, drivers face large fines - up to 1 million rubles. for repeated violation for legal entities.
      That is, buy the device yourself, send routes somewhere, run in advance to pay, and the GAI officers will begin to slow down all the trucks and check.
      6. The increased cost of transportation, of course, will be reflected in the final cost of any products that we buy. Now is not the right moment for this.

      As you can see, a lot of headaches for everyone around and all for what? To organize a steady stream of profit for Igor Rotenberg. Just for the insatiable family to get another 10 billion.

      If one really wants to raise more money on the roads, then it is easier to raise the excise tax on diesel fuel by 10 kopecks. You do not need to do this now either, but such a move is exactly 146 times better than Plato - it’s easy to assemble and no additional administration.

      And if it is so important for Putin to enrich the Rotenberg family, then you can introduce a direct tax on all citizens - a thousand per month “on the Rotenbergs”. 145 billion a year will run in - maybe it’s enough. After all, as economic science tells us: if you give a subsidy, then the direct is always better than the indirect.
      1. iv-nord
        iv-nord 2 December 2015 09: 16
        0
        All is correct. Reset to a bribe to cancel Plato.
        1. Hon
          Hon 2 December 2015 09: 39
          +2
          Quote: iv-nord
          All is correct. Reset to a bribe to cancel Plato.

          All the same, Rotenberg will block the bribe, and then he will raise tariffs to cover the costs
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 December 2015 10: 10
          0
          Plato will not be canceled by anyone, she collected one and a half billion in two and a half weeks.
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 2 December 2015 13: 10
        0
        Of the collected 40 billion a year, 10 will go to the "concessionaire", that is, Rotenberg and Co.

        You accidentally did not work at Navalny, did you transport freshly sawn timber? After all, this is his favorite topic about Ko.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2015 06: 30
    +3
    Long-range players do not go broke at such tariffs. But the "black carriage" and black cash - will overlap tightly. Well, you must admit, even 300 rubles of payment for 100 km is about nothing. When the transportation of 12 tons of cargo at such a distance is worth .... Yes, no one will notice such a rise in price under a microscope.
    And about the Khopersky nickel. It was such a clearly "paid" action that it ached to my teeth. Such a plant is not at all "the end of black soil". Nothing would have happened to them. This would be the end of the polar Norilsk Nickel. But he holds a monopoly in Russia! Well, what did he have to "pinch off" a little of his billions in order to "raise" a couple of thousand people in Khopr, warm up the media (in the sense, "warm up") and forth. And the topic is closed! Nickel is not being developed in the Voronezh Region, and the price of nickel in Russia is determined by whom? Right...
    Capitalism, however.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 06: 44
      +9
      What does "black cash" have to do with it?
      Of course, whether someone lies will go bankrupt, simply these amounts are already included in the tariffs, they are being reviewed, followed by a rise in price of products and all consumer goods.

      The point is different, but that they set up another corruption system that serves the interests of strictly defined individuals, and that puts sticks in the wheels of other people, which really does not work, but there are already fines.

      After NG, you know how prices jump, and for the most part thanks a lot to Plato.

      As one sane person noticed here, our site begins to turn into a Censor, but vice versa. If they see the "hand of the Kremlin" in all the troubles, then in our country, as it is not customary to criticize the government, it is easier to blame everything on the liberals, the fifth column, the machinations of the Obamka and the EU.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 2 December 2015 07: 34
        +5
        Quote: Megatron
        The point is different, but that they set up another corruption system that serves the interests of strictly defined individuals

        Moreover, this will have nothing to do with road repairs "... the most interesting thing is that, according to the above-mentioned Government order dated August 29.08.2014, 166 No. 21.07.2005-r, Rosavtodor must conclude a concession agreement with RTITS for the creation and operation of a toll collection system from truckers According to the law on concession agreements dated July 115, 10 No. 610-FZ, the concessionaire (in this case, RTITS) must pay the concessor (Rosavtodor). But by order of the government, it is not the operator who pays the state in the person of Rosavtodor, but vice versa! Rosavtodor must pay this company 13 billion 10 million rubles a year. Every year for 610 years. Once again - 000 million rubles a year. " https://www.facebook.com/boris.ber.000/posts/12?pnref=story
      2. Victor-M
        Victor-M 2 December 2015 13: 18
        0
        After NG, you know how prices jump, and for the most part thanks a lot to Plato.

        I would say thanks to you, because you are lifting up the price tags for transportation, not Plato. You’ll be more honest and decent than the Kremlin, do not bully transportation prices, then food prices will not increase, although this is unlikely, merchants also need to find a reason for the extra fat, and this is not a reason, is it not?
        Love to ride, love and carry a sleigh!
        1. Gomunkul
          Gomunkul 2 December 2015 17: 46
          0
          do not bully transport prices, then the prices of products will not increase
          from the first of January, according to the old tradition, Russian Railways raises transportation prices. yes
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  • SAM 5
    SAM 5 2 December 2015 06: 40
    +2
    Naturally, the Dozhd TV channel and other media representatives with an original focus were connected to escalating the situation.

    The nits stirred.
  • murking
    murking 2 December 2015 06: 48
    +2
    Why ordinary people have to pay for truckers, a truck is 10000 times more heavily loaded on the road, trucks cause 90 percent of the damage to roads. It is necessary to abolish the transport tax for ordinary people and raise tariffs for truckers who destroy it and have to pay.
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 07: 08
      +4
      Do not consider it work - if interested, find a link to the article I cited above. It mathematically shows how much and what destroys.
      And all the words about 10.000 times, this is from desk analysts, and even with a corrupt soul.

      I think that throwing agglomerated accusations is not right.

      Personally, I believe that the bureaucrats stealing billions, on the one hand, and the various affiliated friends of these same officials, rowing billions of billions, do the main harm to the roads, and to our entire country, on the other hand.
      1. Victor-M
        Victor-M 2 December 2015 13: 25
        0
        Quote: Megatron
        Personally, I believe that the bureaucrats stealing billions, on the one hand, and the various affiliated friends of these same officials, rowing billions of billions, do the main harm to the roads, and to our entire country, on the other hand.

        This is known without you, and it is not only in Russia, it is everywhere. A hackneyed phrase, always applicable and absolutely to everything, so find something fresher. Although I’m not going to defend these stealing bureaucrats, and especially to take part in various protests, because I know that there will be no sense from them, it’s only harm, because the place of one thief thrown off will quickly be taken by another, more nimble and more cunning.
  • onix757
    onix757 2 December 2015 06: 54
    +5
    Let’s be objective, it’s not non-systemic liberals who introduced this quitrent but rather systemic ones, and claims should be made first of all to those who made the decision and not to those who allegedly use something. They will certainly use it if the people hold power.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2015 10: 12
      -4
      And it’s even excellent that they introduced it - 2 trillion rubles in the future will not interfere with road repairs.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 2 December 2015 11: 03
        0
        2 trillion rubles in the future will not interfere with road repairs. ,,
        and you don’t tell - who doesn’t put it, a rotenberg? Did you make a lot of repairs from the overhaul tax?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 December 2015 15: 02
          0
          What side is Rotenberg here, in an extreme case, these 2 trillion rubles will not interfere with our budget, and the overhaul tax has only been introduced, the results are still far away - this is not done quickly.
      2. Hon
        Hon 2 December 2015 11: 41
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        And it’s even excellent that they introduced it - 2 trillion rubles in the future will not interfere with road repairs.

        I think Mr. Rotenberg completely agree with you.
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 December 2015 07: 04
    +1
    I’m not catching up with something: what does the trucker’s underpants and toll roads have to do with it? He then what kind of driver business before a possible increase in prices in the markets? Take him, carry him, get his salary and rest, that's all! And all the rest is confusion, and that's another story. This is a job for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB! All these Navalny, former bridles, former premieres ... must be under control. You can always restrain the anarchists and dissidents!
  • 1536
    1536 2 December 2015 07: 06
    +5
    It’s hard for everyone. Why did truckers rise? Because they have big cars and can do more harm? Or would you think that a change of government or the arrival of Americans will make all truckers in a single country rich and happy? A familiar trend.
    In my opinion, toll roads in Russia are generally nonsense. The same money can be obtained by equipping roadsides on these roads with inexpensive motels, cafes, retail stalls, gas stations, car washes, museums and libraries, finally.
  • Gavril
    Gavril 2 December 2015 07: 10
    +3
    I advise some comrades with a calculator to count how much this whole thing will cost a specific trucker!
    And in particular:
    - find out how much it costs to deliver equipment;
    - find out how much it costs;
    - find out the price for transportation, it is considered in rubles / tn. / km .;
    - Find out the consumption of solariums per hundred;
    - find out what kind of truck transport tax is (which is supposed to build roads in theory);
    - find out how much insurance costs;
    - find out that besides this imposed thing there is also such an imposed thing whose name is a tachograph (which, for example, is needed in our North as a goat button accordion);
    - About depreciation and talk is not necessary.

    And only after that give out phrases like "will not go broke" !!!!
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 07: 16
      +3
      I’m talking about this here, and I also mentioned tachographs.
      But as you can see, the cons fly from the sofas for me, like a machine gun.
    2. Wedmak
      Wedmak 2 December 2015 07: 53
      +1
      And let's find out how many trucks with a left turn go around the country? Those who write that they are carrying foam rubber, but are actually clogged to the eyeballs with overload with something more valuable?
      Or do you think that the gouged kamaz from the 05 region during the collection of watermelons accurately withstand the load on the axles and go purely only during the day ???
      What, the maintenance of the truck after installing the plato will rise in price? Or will a solarium jump in price? Or will parts suddenly become scarce? And how will insurance change after the introduction of this system? And where does the depreciation?
      What, before that, no one thought about this? Don’t tell my horseshoes, adequate transport workers will buy this equipment and install it, they’ll just have a slightly lower income, that's all. And even then they will be transferred to the cost of transport services. Some problems.
      But those who are engaged in left cab yelling. It’s their tail that will pinch them.
      1. Megatron
        Megatron 2 December 2015 08: 40
        +6
        Honestly, but I don’t understand what you are writing about. I just can’t understand. When I go, I take everything at the same rate. They give pipes - I carry pipes. They give metal rolling - I’m taking it, they give building materials - I take it, load it with scrap - I take it with scrap. I have only 2 criteria, that is in weight norm, and direction. Through and to Moscow - I do not go. Maybe someone takes computers at one price, and tea at another, I don’t know. The last time it was cotton wool was a pleasant load, so I was ready to throw it at a little, for a reduced consumption, but the customer was happy with everything. wink

        Those who write that they are carrying foam rubber, but are actually clogged to the eyeballs with overload with something more valuable?

        I only think it’s relevant at customs, but there’s already a question on declarations, and on people with chopsticks at the post, although rather on big customs stars in bright offices

        Or do you think that the gouged kamaz from the 05 region during the collection of watermelons accurately withstand the load on the axles and go purely only during the day ???

        You know, I closely dealt with the issue of weight norms, and overload, I very hotly discussed with my comrades on thematic resources and finally came to the paradoxical conclusion - that it’s not profitable for carriers to carry the load, it’s profitable for us to carry the load, but for consumers and even To the state, violation of this legislation is just beneficial. If it’s interesting, I’ll drop my note on overload here, read it, and give me your answer.

        Returning to "our KamAZ trucks from region 05", paradoxically, but precisely because they carry 2-3 times more than the norm and have the opportunity to sell them at every corner in the season, we have watermelons at 5r / kg, and not according to conventional 40r \ kg.

        adequate transporters will buy this equipment and install it, their incomes will simply drop slightly, that's all.

        Who’s sorry? Networks with their own fleets, such as Thunder-Magnet, X5, others like them? Gathering people from the province, driving them like horses for a penny, just because there is no other job, and you need to feed your family. Of course, they will buy, but the profits will not be REDUCED. They will lay it in those goods that we buy every day. It’s like in an old joke:
        - Dad, did you hear that vodka has risen in price much ....
        - ....
        “Are you going to drink less now?”
        “No, son, you will eat less now!”


        And even then they will be transferred to the cost of transport services.

        Well, you yourself answered your own question. For the stability of the oligarchy’s margin and big business, we will answer, common people and different workers.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 2 December 2015 10: 36
          +1
          When I go, I take everything at the same rate.

          Is it not less consumption when you carry the same cotton than pipes?
          If it’s interesting, I’ll drop my note on overload here, read it, and give me your answer.

          Drop, interesting for the overall development.
          paradoxically, but precisely because they carry 2-3 times the norm and have the ability to sell them at every corner in the season, we have watermelons at 5p / kg, and not at conditional 40p / kg.

          I think there is more tossed on profit than on transportation. Markup in 100-200% is considered the norm for some reason. And at 5r / kg watermelon ... fear God, this is the price for a melon on the road. People grow, collect, and outbid by charging incredible interest to resell. And transportation is not included in this significant percentage.
      2. Kaccad
        Kaccad 2 December 2015 13: 15
        +1
        Let me disagree, comrade "Marshal" soldier . Thank:)
        No need to finish MADI to understand that the struggle is not with gray carriers!
        T.K. then, the circuit would be logical such:
        1. Install metering and control devices (I think the carriers would have mastered the costs)
        2. Conduct a test period, with control over the operation of devices, and payment of current taxes and fees. Those. just at this stage, there would be a "way out of the twilight" of the left, or the winding up of such a business, with the approval of most carriers, since they will be able to occupy the vacated niches.
        3. Assess the effect of the introduction!
        4. But after that, calculate the cost that will be adequate to the market.
        Notice the time for this!
        PS By the way, but no one came across information about purchases or new transport companies entering the market, I think there will be many famous names there :)
    3. Kaccad
      Kaccad 2 December 2015 12: 53
      0
      Quote: Gavril
      And only after that give out phrases like "will not go broke" !!!!

      good And for those who ask, “how will a simple driver suffer?” I explain that even if the owner does not “collapse” and the person does not lose his job, given that the number of routes will not increase, and expenses will increase, who will they start SAVING on?
      PS At the same time, knowing our "businessmen", under such a cool "noise", will they really not take advantage of the real rise in prices, adding "a little" of their own gesheft? hi
  • press officer
    press officer 2 December 2015 07: 11
    +1
    Well, where do we go without these liberals? !!! am The feeling is that they drove they provoked an exit! sad Or do the carriers know something that you and I don't know about? We, too, "went out" in the region, they did not block the road, they just stood stupidly and listened to how their usual carriers were talking. What is the essence of the problem of getting out in our region has remained a mystery even for journalists. request Truckers were indignant only that suddenly their employer would not put them such a device and they would have to pay the fines themselves! belay So the guys are not all clear, as they say! Someone brought them out, but why didn’t they bring them out ... negative
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2015 07: 14
    +3
    Our "statesmen" simply need to remember that each of their mistakes, mistakes and simply shoals when introducing any innovations will be used by the enemies of power both in the country and in the West in their favor. Therefore, the Russian proverb "Measure seven times, cut once" is very relevant.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 2 December 2015 07: 17
    -2
    Just look at the requirements of these protesters. Somewhere it was printed here and, in my opinion, starting from point three, there began such a twist that it can be difficult to attribute it to the sphere of cargo transportation. It was made so that it is simply impossible to fulfill all the points.
  • 3officer
    3officer 2 December 2015 07: 17
    +1
    A bulk with kasyan matted something, probably from the nerves .. for the Russian people are worried!
  • stayer
    stayer 2 December 2015 07: 20
    13
    Author (Volodin Alexey) are you at least aware of the problem? I understand that I want to write something about swamps and other wrecks, adding fuel to the fire. But in essence, you are doing the same thing as all federal channels. Watch TV. Quiet and smooth. No protests, no strikes. If there are reports, they accuse the far-reaching people of unwillingness to pay, or the Plato system reports on how well everything works and how many millions have been collected for such a period. Now, a new trend has appeared that truckers are an instrument of the liberals (including yours) and are associated with swamps. That's bullshit.
    Those who do not know. Plato is a predatory system created for requisitions. Everyone is starting to cite Germany as an example. Sorry, there is no transport tax in Germany. We have the same transport tax this time (for trucks it’s not at all money-based), excise taxes of about 7 p / liter are removed from the fuel (on average 1 truck consumes 5 tons of fuel per month). When the excise tax was introduced, they promised to remove the transport tax. Again a hoax. And now Plato. Do not interfere with politics and business in one pile. Truckers are not on strike for grants, this is an urgent problem.

    PS. I think that the state of us (truckers) will certainly be pumped up. And we will pay for Plato. But. Business cannot be deceived, no one will work to the detriment. This fee will be included in the costs, respectively, the seller will also include these costs. Price increases are inevitable.

    PPP. They reassure them on TV in the Ministry of Transport and Plato, saying that no one will even notice the increase, there is only 1.53. And some ridiculous calculations begin to lead, where kg of potatoes will rise by 20 kop. Laugh.
    The cost of the product from the beginning to the buyer is 4-5 shipments throughout the country. Plato is laid in each.

    At the moment (02.12.15) the prices for transportation for ref 20t from Moscow time to Ekb have increased from the initial 85.000 rubles to 120.000. Plus, an acute shortage of cars (some carriers are on strike). The question is, these 35.000 who will ultimately lie on?

    Regards from the long-range fighting!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 2 December 2015 07: 21
    +2
    Truckers have the right to protect their interests, but these bastards stuck and drive pendals. They do not care about the interests of citizens of the Russian Federation, not for this they receive grants.
  • igorra
    igorra 2 December 2015 07: 23
    -1
    Blah blah blah, but in another way. As we all got used to a freebie, you’ll drag the horseradish away, they’ve decided to rebel. Let’s go on the other hand, we all pay transport tax, in theory - roads are our common property, but carriers earn money on it, unlike most owners of passenger cars and the damage is incomparably more than we do. In a word, freebies and overpay will ultimately be paid in the store by us, not by carriers. And the fact that harsh truckers contacted the liberals is on their conscience (no one has disowned any bulk-walking), so the flag is in hand.
  • Kaccad
    Kaccad 2 December 2015 07: 24
    +4
    How did grant grandees decide to use truckers ’protest actions?

    And I think the question is different "Why did the state allow this?"
    Why the decision made in 2013 was not also promptly reviewed as our relations with Turkey? And the changes have also been big. And what for us, in 2013 was considered rather useful and not burdensome, now takes on a completely different look.
    To be honest, they amaze the state. The media after the government lowered the tariff, thereby knocking out the reasoning about "fair price calculation" from them, which began to exaggerate the topic of "whitewashing" the transport business, and stubbornly unwilling to admit that if this happens, then the state will already receive fin. the effect of the introduction of "registrars". And Solovyov agreed to the point that if someone leaves the market, then another will take his place. It certainly will, but who? Larger enterprise capable of minimizing financial costs, what does that mean? This means a reduction in players in the market, and as a result, the possibility of price collusion. At the same time, where can the truck owners go? Go work for these monopolists.
    By the way, did anyone consider how much the tax base would be reduced due to the departure of small carriers into the shadows, or completely? Let me explain what I mean: each individual entrepreneur and LLC is a TAX payer, and since if they leave, the place will be taken not by the NEW business, but by the "old" one, then the total TAX base will be reduced.
    Unfortunately, we again see how the state relies on large companies, raising "monsters", in areas where there is an opportunity for small business to develop, while where there should be strong, state-controlled. monopolies (RAO UES, Russian Railways), it actively divides them.
    The author blames the grant-eaters for joining this movement, and I would like to ask him, where are the "patriotic" parties that were supposed to protect the interests of citizens? I didn't even have time to rejoice for the Communist Party of the Russian Federation when I heard that they were in this movement, as they were ousted from there. Those. did everyone expect that "everything will settle by itself"? Therefore, it is foolish to be surprised that any UNCLEANLESS is trying to lead it, it's time to learn to talk to the PEOPLE for everyone, especially our pseudo-parties. It's time for the deputies to think about their citizens, and not consider any dialogue a personal insult, in which it is necessary not only to BROADCAST their point of view, but also to hear reasoned objections.
    Such a "laconic" thought came to me in the morning :)
    At the same time, I want to remind our OPPAM what their "icon" of the Germans said to the striking miners, who then really Yes there was nothing
  • GUKTU
    GUKTU 2 December 2015 07: 29
    +9
    Hooray patritots who are actively minus here, answer me one personal question: "Why should I pay the water utility money for water from my own well in a private house outside the city?" And at the expense of long-range soldiers, I will say this: our leaders should not have provoked the men. And in general, life in our country is more and more like a plot from the cartoon about Chippolino. Remember how they paid the tax for the rain with the mountain?
    1. Down House
      Down House 2 December 2015 12: 11
      +1
      Quote: GUKTU
      : "Why should I pay the water utility money for water from my own well in a private house outside the city?"

      1. You can not pay.
      2. And yes, the well may be yours, but there is already no water in the bowels fellow
    2. Prisoner
      Prisoner 2 December 2015 13: 28
      0
      You should ask why. In my house there is an autonomous water supply system and I only pay for electricity, the pump works, the water is heated. Do you or Putin and Medvedev have to solve this problem?
  • gameover_65
    gameover_65 2 December 2015 07: 31
    10
    the people are on strike not because of the introduction of the pay, but because of injustice and deception.
    Is it fair to consider that the truck passes 8500km per year when calculating the tariff? this is how the tariff 3.73r per km appeared. on the basis of such a run, we are talking about 50 billion rubles. the actual truck mileage per year is 100-150 thousand km., i.e. more than 10 times more, then if the goal is to collect 50 billion, then the tariff should be 0.37 rubles per km., otherwise it will be collected more than 500 billion and all this money goes directly not to the budget, to some RTITS LLC ". and if you didn’t pay, then this LLC instructs the traffic police to fine you. those. Ltd. indicates to the Ministry of Internal Affairs unit with whom and what to do.
    this is all indignation!
  • Russianguy
    Russianguy 2 December 2015 07: 38
    +9
    Here's some simple arithmetic: the projected income from the Platon system is 30 billion rubles. That is, we understand that the Rotenbergs will give this amount to the state, but. There are about a million representatives of this profession in our country. On average, one trucker drives 500-800 kilometers per day. 500 * 3.06 * 500000 = 765000000 (I took 500 thousand, because, of course, not all truckers work every day and this is an objective minimum). 765 million, gentlemen. That's 279 BILLION a year. Question: Where will 249 billion go, eh? After all, the estimated income is only 30 (and I am sure that even a third of this money will not go towards improving the infrastructure)! What kind of analysts do they have that made such a "small" error? And I am sure that the relevant officials will pretend that this is how it should be, and even ask for a share. "Platon" is just a feeding trough for the Rotenbergs, and they want to make truckers fodder.
    1. ICT
      ICT 2 December 2015 07: 54
      +5
      Quote: RussianGuy
      and truckers want to make food.


      a little wider with the world on a thread "naked shirt"

      he’s a trucker for another month, well, maybe half a year he’s been tormented, and then he simply drives the price of the fee into the price of transportation,
      1. Monetniy
        Monetniy 2 December 2015 08: 30
        +1
        So it will be and everything will rise in price !!!
    2. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 2 December 2015 16: 18
      +2
      Quote: RussianGuy
      And I am sure that the relevant officials will pretend that this is how it should be, and even ask for a share. "Platon" is just a feeding trough for the Rotenbergs, and they want to make truckers fodder.

      As a result, prices for everything will rise. vote for stupid.
  • Ilya77
    Ilya77 2 December 2015 07: 45
    11
    As a result, all of us, ordinary citizens, will pay for it, and the author has already started to move his mind, he sees the liberals everywhere, our relatives and friends of the GDP are stealing, and he himself probably will not miss.
    1. THE_SEAL
      THE_SEAL 2 December 2015 16: 19
      +1
      Quote: Ilya77
      As a result, all of us, ordinary citizens, will pay for it, and the author has already started to move his mind, he sees the liberals everywhere, our relatives and friends of the GDP are stealing, and he himself probably will not miss.

      I agree. The author is a woodpecker. And the article is custom-made along the way.
  • Fox
    Fox 2 December 2015 07: 54
    +3
    Plato is cool ... but we still have a joke on simple grocery stores: they require installing an alcohol tracking system in each store (100 tons of rubles), we pay an increased license (40 in that year. 65 of this). I don’t drink it myself. just do it. but people began to be poisoned with bottled vodka brought from the distillery. so what I mean ... small shops will wrinkle for the sake of large networks, just like carriers. there’s just redistribution of dough flows. and someone really wants to milk once again the population.
    1. Alexl
      Alexl 2 December 2015 09: 55
      0
      And there’s nothing to sell booze
  • SERGEII
    SERGEII 2 December 2015 07: 57
    10
    Any system can be turned on or off. For a long time already, special equipment has been equipped with the greatest glonas with a fuel level gauge, control over the mode of movement. As they merged, they will merge. But the fact that 75% is private investment puts everything in its place. And what will the budget receive? The ears of the dead donkey. , then my relationship with the rat is understandable: either it is mine, or the death of the rat. And why is any protest perceived as counter-revolution? It turns out that we are all trash and no one can have their own understanding of the situation. If this tax went to the treasury, this is one question. What did 75% of investors do? Did they build roads for their money? It seems that everything is from the treasury. Did they launch satellites into space, making glonas? Again, everything seems to be from the treasury. Did they develop control equipment? Again, like "Rostec" for OUR money. To understand the situation, it would be nice to publish the costs of private investors to create the system, otherwise everyone rules with budget money very freely, even Rosfinmonitoring is blinded by brilliant innovators. And then one more genital offspring showed up, he also wants money. And there is no Gates among them, only Soros.
  • Thompson
    Thompson 2 December 2015 08: 21
    +1
    Quote: ImPerts
    And, therefore, the minuses have been instructed)))
    Does Belarus mean no problem?

    My minus for mixing flies with cutlets.
    Everything was correctly stated in the first post, but at the end it was all cheated up, inserting the theme of the deceased pilot.
    To the plague, why ???
    For this and minus! I think the rest
    1. ImPerts
      ImPerts 2 December 2015 08: 40
      0
      Quote: Thompson
      all cheated by inserting the theme of the deceased pilot

      Dear, where did I insert the "theme of the deceased pilot" ???
      Quote: Thompson
      To the plague, why ???

      Where? Not to the village will be said wink
    2. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 08: 47
      +1
      Everything was correctly stated in the first post, but at the end it was all cheated up, inserting the theme of the deceased pilot.
      To the plague, why ???
      For this and minus! I think the rest


      This is for me, about the pilot.

      Well, I think so, when a tomato responds to a direct act of military aggression, while lemons and something else do not forbid, then it seems to me humiliating, but you don’t?

      How does this relate to the topic of toll discussions? My general dissatisfaction with the domestic and foreign policies of the state.
      1. Down House
        Down House 2 December 2015 12: 14
        +1
        Quote: Megatron
        Well, I think so, when a tomato responds to a direct act of military aggression, while lemons and something else do not forbid, then it seems to me humiliating, but you don’t?

        When for a downed plane (and similar incidents occurred even during the Soviet era) inflict billions of dollars in economic damage to the guilty state, do you consider it "humiliating" ????????
        1. Megatron
          Megatron 2 December 2015 14: 29
          -1
          This damage will be very controversial, even in terms of tourism - most travel agencies are already on the verge of ruin, and here they will suffer. And the products will go up again.

          Why is it shameful? Because trade relations will soon return to normal and restrictions will be lifted, and the dead pilot and marine can no longer be returned.

          Please remind me when planes were shot down with impunity in the USSR?
  • Monetniy
    Monetniy 2 December 2015 08: 26
    +4
    Before introducing such a tax, it is necessary to abolish the idiotic tax on L / C. And if you introduce it, it pays it to the state treasury, and not to the vrotenbergs of Putin’s friends. This is a triple quitrent, the last skin is removed from the peasants from the majority, and so the cars are all leased and pay it to the end of their lives for many, and then not everyone will pay. I support the protest because nefig to be harassed by ordinary people, let them build toll roads with alternative free roads and there they already take money for kilometers
  • ibu355yandex.ru
    ibu355yandex.ru 2 December 2015 08: 28
    -1
    How long will our state, through the special services, show toothlessness? What should happen in the country so that they wake up from hibernation?!? It doesn’t need 37 years, just the fifth column must be really built into columns of 6 and sent together in a coherent order in the given direction! No, not to Magadan ... And to the West, to Europe, but rather to America !!! In Russia, breathing will immediately become easier!
    1. Megatron
      Megatron 2 December 2015 08: 52
      +4
      it’s just that the fifth column must be really built into columns of 6 and sent together in a coherent order in a given direction!


      Only the notorious fifth column, these are not bogeys - bulk, Germans, dog, etc. These are all puppets and clowns, to divert our attention, so that you can put your aggression on them.
      They are not jumping in the squares, but sitting in the government.
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 2 December 2015 08: 37
    +3
    One thing is clear - they wanted the best, but it turned out, as always.
    Why was it necessary to force this unripe question at the wrong time?
    Who did this? Who benefits from this?
    When you answer these questions, then there will be clarity.

    I made conclusions for myself.
    The government and officials "put" on Putin's promises with a large device, but he legally can do anything with them and cannot (or does not want to). And how can such a country mobilize against external aggression, which has been dragging on for several years?
  • Dragon-y
    Dragon-y 2 December 2015 08: 41
    +3
    If I don’t confuse, in Chile, drivers also went on strike first, then housewives ...
  • Starshina wmf
    Starshina wmf 2 December 2015 08: 57
    +1
    Maybe cops of traffic cops pay extra taxes. Each trucker has a stash, lies separately for traffic cops. Each post has its own tariffication. Each district has its own tax.
    1. Down House
      Down House 2 December 2015 12: 16
      0
      Quote: Starshina wmf
      Each long-haul has a stash, lies separately for traffic cops.

      And didn’t you try to break the laws of these long-range fights ?!
  • nemec55
    nemec55 2 December 2015 09: 00
    -2
    They went these far districts to the concrete precinct, gouging all the grapes with their 40 tons, rowing rubble with KZ so quarries that our asphalt, poor as a pancake, is spread over the pan. was designed and now, in these holes, KAMAZ is hiding with a slide. And I don’t care who and who should, I don’t have any roads.
  • fa2998
    fa2998 2 December 2015 09: 03
    +5
    Quote: War and Peace
    why do thieves and overt enemies of Russia hang around in power — is that a question?

    I am at a loss - I am at the same time disgusted with the figures of all Parnassos and the actions of my native government. Everything is clear with those, they have a conductor over the hill. But the government, instead of the state service (in the Ministry of Transport), created a private office, Horns and Hooves ( Plato) - and money will be looking for a long time, and money will be pumped out of the wallets of ordinary Russians! negative hi
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 2 December 2015 12: 51
      +3
      I am at a loss - I am at the same time disgusted with the leaders of all "Parnassos" and the actions of the native government
      Putin and Navalny is a fight of "Nanai boys". In order to safely rob the people, the fifth columns were invented, with whom Obama is partnering with Putin and other supposedly enemies with whom the authorities pretend to be a struggle, but does nothing useful for the people.
  • iv-nord
    iv-nord 2 December 2015 09: 09
    +1
    1. Why 12 tons, and not 5, 7, 10. There is wear on the canvas and from the Lada, but certainly less.
    2. All vehicle owners pay tax.
    3. The final consumer of goods, and these are all residents of the country, and they also pay taxes.
    Conclusion - why the heck are all these troubles.
  • Megatron
    Megatron 2 December 2015 09: 10
    +5


    The next tax (read levy) is intended primarily to reduce the number of vehicles on the roads, in this "cunning" way competitors are eliminated ...


    These are just flowers, and what will happen next, I just want to grab my head:

    To prohibit the registration of buses and trucks for individuals proposed in the Government House. According to the press service of the non-governmental organization “Movement without danger”, on October 9, a public discussion took place on an action plan aimed at reducing mortality as a result of road accidents.


    And let's return serfdom right away, assign all private individuals to legal entities, and to fart, we will sign a piece of paper and pay tax on it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 2 December 2015 10: 18
      -3
      This tax will not reduce the amount of transport on the roads, but the competition between carriers will raise great.
      1. Hon
        Hon 2 December 2015 13: 04
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        This tax will not reduce the amount of transport on the roads, but the competition between carriers will raise great.

        how?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 2 December 2015 15: 10
          +1
          As elsewhere - competition - at the cost of transportation, all prices will skyrocket now, but in the future companies will look for ways to reduce costs, they will also reduce the cost of transportation of 1 ton per kilometer - the priority will be the one who offers the lower price.
  • Combitor
    Combitor 2 December 2015 09: 30
    -6
    My opinion is that the truckers' protests are beneficial to the Russian "fifth column" and its curators and sponsors abroad. They emerged at the very moment when Russia is making certain efforts in the foreign policy arena to strengthen its position and is fighting terrorism no longer within its own borders, but on the territory of another state. And I consider it treason to undermine the situation in the country with protests at this very moment. Moreover, if we take into account who is the organizer of these disorders and who supports and approves them.
    But ... The day before yesterday there was a story on local TV about the protests of Sakhalin long-range soldiers. We have not yet introduced it, but the people are already protesting in advance. As in the village - as soon as one rooster crows, the rooster choir immediately begins. They show a meeting of the Sakhalin Duma, where Sakhalin officials make excuses that they do not even know how to work with this "Platon" and with what it is.
    Then they show a man, a truck driver and he says (not literally): "Well, we decided to take everything into account and take tax. And where am I going to stick this metering device in my KAMAZ, if there is not even a cigarette lighter socket in the cab. Not provided." And the Sakhalin deputies (!) Took a pencil to go to the plant to solve the problem with sockets ...
    When all this fuss with "Platon" was started in Moscow, it was impossible, perhaps, to foresee all these trifles, to prepare the entire material, technical and documentary and legislative basis, to test it in a test mode and check every screw of this system using the example of one region (I suggest Moscow and its region - from there all the infection), and then launch it across the country. In order not to give a reason for "rocking the boat". But, apparently, somewhere in decisive and key positions there are people who, making such important decisions, do everything in such a way that the people become indignant and it comes to pickets, demonstrations, rallies and protests.
    And such, otherwise, as pests and traitors, you will not name.
    Or again everything turned out in Chernomyrdin?
    http://astv.ru/news/society/sahalinskie-dalnoboyshchiki-prisoedinilis-k-aktsii-p
    rotesta-protiv-sistemi-platon
    1. Hon
      Hon 2 December 2015 09: 45
      +4
      Quote: Kombitor
      My opinion is that the truckers' protests are beneficial to the Russian "fifth column" and its curators and sponsors abroad.

      Of course, it is profitable for them, they did not organize, the date of the introduction of Plato was long known, even before the efforts in the foreign policy arena, with the introduction of Plato, protests began. truckers agents of the State Department?
      greed kills fravers, and those who lead the country are very greedy.
  • boris-1230
    boris-1230 2 December 2015 09: 31
    +3
    Let the government learn to spend public money transparently, and not plunder. If there were control over the road workers and a guarantee for their work for five years, then there would be no problems with the roads.
  • Alexl
    Alexl 2 December 2015 09: 52
    -2
    Quote: Megatron
    What does "black cash" have to do with it?
    Of course, whether someone lies will go bankrupt, simply these amounts are already included in the tariffs, they are being reviewed, followed by a rise in price of products and all consumer goods.

    After NG, you know how prices jump, and for the most part thanks a lot to Plato.

    As one sane person noticed here, our site begins to turn into a Censor, but vice versa. If they see the "hand of the Kremlin" in all the troubles, then in our country, as it is not customary to criticize the government, it is easier to blame everything on the liberals, the fifth column, the machinations of the Obamka and the EU.

    In our country, almost all trucks are imported. Due to the ruble exchange rate, spare parts for them have already risen in price, which will affect both the cost of their maintenance and the transportation rates. If it were not for "Plato" transportation would still rise in price. And if you don't like this site - go to your favorite Echo of Moscow and listen to your idol Navalny there.
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 2 December 2015 11: 19
      +2
      ... If it were not for "Plato" transportation would still rise in price. And if you don't like this site, go to your favorite Echo of Moscow and listen to your idol Navaln there,
      if there is a Plato, everything will rise in price by two more. And you, my dear, do not write to whom to go somewhere.
  • Combitor
    Combitor 2 December 2015 09: 55
    +1
    And, in fact, someone in the subject, what do long-range combat generally require?
  • Combitor
    Combitor 2 December 2015 10: 09
    +1
    Quote: Just BB
    Another thing surprises me: why is the truck going from St. Petersburg to Novosibirsk?

    It’s just that the leadership of Russian Railways needs to be pulled out of the parallel reality where it lives and to return Russian to reality.
    Railway tariffs must be brought in line, i.e. reduce them to reasonable limits. Then, I think, any individual or legal entity will use the services of the railway, which is more reliable and safer. And at reasonable rates - and cheaper.
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 2 December 2015 10: 19
    +3
    Yes, in general, it seems that all these allegedly "oppositionists" on grants are not from the State Department, but from our libberians and are working hard for them! Judge for yourself how somewhere the people begin to protest and be indignant, these are right here and there begins a series of provocations and all this leads to discrediting the dissatisfied and the collapse of the protest movement. Everything is blackened and turned upside down, labels are posted and now they are no longer fighters for justice and people defending their rights, but the notorious "fifth column", "grant eaters" or whatever.
    So truckers need to drive all these agents of the liberals and oligarchs away, so as not to get dirty and worthily protect their rights! Straight kicks in the ass!