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Libya. Invitation to the abyss

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Out of the frying pan into the fire. So you can briefly describe the latest events in Libya. The West has taken on the reconciliation of the two governments that exist in the country, but the consequences of this initiative could plunge Libya into even greater chaos and finally destroy the once-thriving state.

Late admissions

Four years ago, in the fall of 2011, global capital committed another bloody crime - defeating the rich and prosperous country of Libya. For forty years, there existed a unique political and economic system based on the combination of the ideas of socialism and a number of traditional Islamic values. During this time, Libya has turned from the backward semi-feudal country into the richest state of the African continent. A lot has been said about the achievements of the Libyan Jamahiriya (“the state of the people”). We only recall that its inhabitants were provided with free education and medicine, in fact they received housing for free, not to mention significant social benefits and subsidies. The authorities assisted almost the whole of Africa, building hospitals and schools.

Within a few months it was all destroyed. And not by the hands of the Libyans themselves. The rebels, led by Islamists and traitors from the ranks of the Libyan leadership, did not possess sufficient forces to seize power. All decided foreign intervention. By adopting a bad memory resolution number 1973 on the creation of a no-fly zone over Libya, the UN Security Council authorized the beginning of the aggression. NATO countries, together with the Arab monarchies began the systematic destruction of the Libyan army and the life support systems of the country.

The cause of the massacre of the whole country was the independent policy of Gaddafi, who declared his intention to nationalize all the oil and gas fields, and also offered to abandon the dollar and introduce gold dinar as the African currency. It is not excluded that Gadhafi played a prominent role at the UN General Assembly session in September 2009. The Libyan leader accused Western countries of terrorism, and the UN - in indulging in this aggressive policy. “You gave birth to Hitler, not us!” Gaddafi reminded, and these words sounded like a prophecy: a year and a half later, civilians in Libya died under the bombs and missiles of the “civilized West”.

And what about Russia? Russia, supporting the Security Council resolution, gave its ally to be torn apart. Today they prefer not to recall this, but the lessons of the recent past cannot be forgotten. Especially since the then leaders almost in full force rule the country now. The president and the prime minister only changed places, the foreign minister retained his post ...

The last pockets of resistance were suppressed in October 2011. Muammar Gaddafi underwent inhuman massacre. Yesterday's insurgents came to power on the bayonets of foreign aggressors, or, according to the apt expression of the deceased leader of the Jamahiriya, "rats". Fully matching this nickname, they began to divide power and accumulated over the 40 years of wealth. Libya was given to mock the gangs of yesterday's "revolutionaries." Yesterday a calm and prosperous state plunged into the abyss of violence and a real "war of all against all." According to the UN, from 6-million population of the country in humanitarian aid needs 2,5 million, nearly half a million are forced to leave their homes in the results of hostilities.

The disastrous consequences of the invasion of Libya are now recognized even in the West. One of the favorites of the presidential race in the United States, Donald Trump, said recently that if the regimes of Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were maintained, the Middle East would remain a more stable region. The same thought, but only in a more expanded form, is present in one of the latest issues of the influential American magazine Foreign Forces. The article titled “Obama’s debacle in Libya” states bluntly: aggression led to chaos, anarchy, civil war and the transformation of Libya into a hotbed of terrorist threat. Referring to authoritative studies, the author of the article draws extremely daring conclusions in the context of the United States: the bombardments to which peaceful forces allegedly subjected government troops are a bluff, as well as bloody dispersals of demonstrations by Gadhafi’s security forces. But precisely these accusations served as a pretext for NATO intervention!

Games with Islamists

However, it is impossible to draw conclusions about the total insight of the West on the basis of these statements. An election campaign is underway in the United States, and the Democratic Party (including its most likely candidate, Hillary Clinton) will now recall all sins.

The fact that the Western world is far from being aware of the viciousness of its foreign policy is also indicated by recent initiatives regarding Libya. We are talking about inter-Libyan talks in Schirath (Morocco), held under the auspices of the UN. The West once again tried to impose its will on the country, and on its own, destructive for the future of Libya.

It is worth recalling that there is no single authority in present-day Libya. There are two parliaments and two governments in the country at the same time. The split occurred last year, although its origins were laid earlier. As a result of the parliamentary elections of 2012, the General National Congress (WNC) was formed, in which the supporters of the secular path of development and the Islamists divided roughly equally. The adoption by the latter of a law recognizing Sharia as the sole basis of the country's legal system has exacerbated the controversy.

General Khalifa Haftar spoke against the Islamists. Once he was an ally of Gaddafi, but then they parted ways. Haftar found himself in exile in the United States, and with the beginning of the rebellion joined the opposition. Now he announced the danger of Islamization of Libya, announced the start of Operation Dignity of Libya, and demanded the dissolution of the OWC. A large part of the army moved to the side of Huftar, some members of the government and some members of the OWC declared their support. The Islamist leadership of the Congress, however, refused to obey the demands of Haftar, mobilized loyal units and, in turn, proclaimed Operation Libyan Dawn. Clashes broke out between supporters of Dignity and Dawn. Under these conditions, parliamentary elections were held in the country, after which the House of Representatives was formed. Islamists boycotted the election, announcing the indefinite extension of the powers of the OWC. As a result, two centers of power appeared in Libya: VNK - in the capital Tripoli, and the House of Representatives - in Tobruk, in the east of the country.

It is rather difficult to choose the lesser of two evils in this situation. Both the Tobruk and Tripoli government consist of people who fought against Gaddafi and, to one degree or another, were guilty of the chaos that engulfed Libya. In fairness, however, it is worth noting that the government in Tobruk stands for a secular country and consistently fights against Islamist groups that have dug in in Benghazi, Derna and Sirte. It is not surprising that many supporters of Gadhafi, including the military of the old Libyan army, went over to the side of Tobruk and General Haftar, who was declared commander in March of this year.

Can not be said about the government in Tripoli. It relies on openly extremist groups that regularly appear in the center of international scandals. In June of this year, one of the leaders of the Libyan Dawn was arrested in Tunisia on charges of terrorism and supply weapons Islamists. In response, the commander’s comrades-in-arms took Tunisian diplomats hostage in Tripoli.

In general, abductions and killings take place here regularly - just remember the attack on the Carinthia Hotel, the shelling of the South Korean embassy or the detention of the Russian tanker Mechanic Chebotarev. This is not surprising: the VNK is closely connected with organizations like the Muslim Brotherhood and Ansar al-Sharia. According to some reports, the leadership of the Tripoli government also maintains contacts with divisions of the Islamic State in Libya. At least, the KNK has strongly protested the actions of Egypt, whose aviation bombed the position of the IG after the reprisal with the Egyptian workers in Sirte. In addition, Turkish ships entered Derna, controlled by the Islamic State, despite the fact that Turkey is one of the main allies of the VNK.

Nevertheless, the West, formally recognizing the Tobruk government, not only stares at the actions of the OWC, but also tends to support it in the current confrontation. According to the UN peace plan, a six-member presidential council should appear in Libya. However, most of its members are somehow connected with the government in Tripoli. The so-called compromise Prime Minister Faiz Sarraj, who is a member of the OWC, is no exception.

To push this decision, the West does not regret any threats or generous promises. The EU leadership promised to provide financial assistance to the country if Sarraj approved it and threatened with sanctions if this does not happen. A similar statement was made by US Secretary of State John Kerry, who demanded that Tripoli and Tobruk "immediately approve the final text of the agreement." In addition, the State Department brought down criticism on the military leadership of Libya, clearly referring to Caliph Haftar. According to the Shirarat agreements, the post of commander-in-chief will be eliminated. It’s hard to come up with a better gift for Islamist groups! Finally, the UN mission condemned the operations of the Libyan army against the Islamists in Benghazi, saying that these actions ... impede the search for national reconciliation.

However, in the plans of the West, something went wrong. Both VNK and the House of Representatives refused to ratify the agreement. The already strained relations between Tripoli and Tobruk became aggravated, threatening a new round of civil war.

Gaddafi's Legacy

To say that Libya is definitely waiting for a dead end, however, it would be wrong. There are chances of salvation, and they rely on the legacy of Gaddafi. According to the laws of the Jamahiriya, the country consisted of many people's committees, uniting all adult residents and having full power in their districts. In turn, the primary committees elected city, provincial committees from their representatives, and so on - right up to the General People’s Congress. This direct democracy was much criticized after the events of 2011 of the year - both opponents and supporters of the Jamahiriya, who believed that the system of committees without a single rod in the form of the ruling party led to the helplessness of the regime.

Perhaps there is some truth in these statements. But it is also possible that the revival of the country will rely on such committees. This conclusion can be drawn from a recent publication on the Arab monitor Al-Monitor. Its author, a native of the Libyan city of Beni Walid, Mustafa Feturi, writes about visiting a small homeland. 100-thousandth Beni-Walid, we recall, was one of the last strongholds of Gaddafi. But even after 2011, they remained faithful to the ideas of the Jamahiriya. This is expressed not only in the fact that in Beni Walid you can still see green flags and portraits of Gaddafi. The power in the city belongs to the Social Council, in which the majority of residents participate. Thanks to the activities of the board headed by the professor stories Salah Mauf, Beni Walid is, according to the author of the article, “a beacon of peace and security.” The order in and around the city (and Islamist groups made several attempts at assault) are guarded by the people's militia, formed from ordinary residents and former policemen.

It is not surprising that Beni Walid attracts the views of millions of Libyans. More recently, two hundred families from Sirte, captured by the "Islamic State", sheltered there. Refugees have already been provided with housing, and children have been placed in schools.

But the main thing is that Beni-Walid became the place of consultation for representatives of fifty Libyan tribes who are discussing ways to restore a peaceful and prosperous country. The experience of the Jamahiriya is invaluable in this work. There is still hope that the country destroyed by rough and thoughtless intervention will be reborn.
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  1. antiexpert
    antiexpert 3 December 2015 06: 11 New
    -31
    Gaddafi himself is to blame - it was necessary to ask, humanly, as Assad did, and everything would be fine)))
    1. PN
      PN 3 December 2015 06: 29 New
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      Whom to ask, gum ladies?
      1. Mahmut
        Mahmut 3 December 2015 06: 53 New
        0
        For forty years there has been a unique political and economic system based on a combination of the ideas of socialism and a number of traditional Islamic values.

        More precisely, it was a combination of the Shariah moral code and classical anarchism according to (Kropotkin).
        1. pr 627
          pr 627 3 December 2015 16: 43 New
          0
          This mixture worked and worked well, a witness to it.
      2. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 3 December 2015 10: 16 New
        +1
        LADY needed a request for an iPhone to throw, you look and would force, their masters, to the world.
      3. pr 627
        pr 627 3 December 2015 16: 46 New
        0
        I well remember how Marik was called a handshake.
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 3 December 2015 06: 32 New
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      Quote: antiexpert
      Gaddafi himself is to blame - it was necessary to ask, humanly, as Assad did, and everything would be fine)))

      Do you know exactly what you didn't ask for? It is now, during the aggravation of relations with the United States and NATO, our top military-political leadership began to show greater independence, not hesitating to use military force abroad. And when the turmoil began in Libya, the Americans were our "partners" and we were pretending to be, as you know who said, "an energy superpower." Then we not only did not intervene in the Libyan events, but also supported the sanctions against Iran, and a few years later we ourselves found ourselves in a similar situation.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 06: 40 New
        +6
        Quote: zyablik.olga
        And when the turmoil began in Libya, the Americans were our "partners" and we pretended to be, as you know who said, "an energy superpower

        In the period from 2011, hundreds of new aircraft, thousands of units of new equipment were delivered to the Air Force. What did you have in 2011 ??? What are you there and who were going to save a pancake.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 3 December 2015 06: 48 New
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the period from 2011, hundreds of new aircraft, thousands of units of new equipment were delivered to the Air Force. What did you have in 2011 ??? What are you there and who were going to save a pancake.

          I completely agree. To some extent, the situation is similar in its 41st year. We are hastily rearming to at least somehow confront the threats, but they started earlier ... Even the GDP was noticed in the case of Ukraine, saying that we all knew about the impending coup, but it all started earlier and had to be improvised.
          And the DAM policy during her reign made many concessions to the "partners", in the hope of the honesty of the latter ... Yeah request , only morality and equality are alien to the West ...
          So in the case of Libya, we could not help her. Primakov, too, turned the plane around - but to no avail ... hi
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 06: 54 New
            +6
            Quote: Rurikovich
            And the DAM policy

            We have a strange logic, remembering the warrior with Georgia, Medvedev is pushed aside saying that Putin made all the decisions. And in the case of Libya, Putin is not remembered at all, nodding at Medvedev in everything. Is it nonsense, a dream, another reality or just idiocy?
            1. kabnb
              kabnb 3 December 2015 09: 48 New
              +1
              no, there’s just a feeling of guilt and no desire to blame Putin
              1. alecsis69
                alecsis69 4 December 2015 11: 21 New
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                Try to remember. Regarding the UN resolution mentioned above, Putin spoke out sharply against, while Medvedev supported and also said that it was like the president was engaged in foreign policy. It was almost the only public quarrel between Putin and Medvedev while Medvedev was president.
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        2. Bongo
          Bongo 3 December 2015 09: 00 New
          +5
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          In the period from 2011, hundreds of new aircraft, thousands of units of new equipment were delivered to the Air Force. What did you have in 2011 ??? What are you there and who were going to save a pancake.

          Hello Sasha! Olga is right, and not only because I am "close to her" lol At that time, our leadership did not even lift a finger to somehow help the legitimate Libyan authorities. What do you think, if RK "Moscow" stood up on the Tripoli roadstead and our government had said its "weighty word", would the "partners" have bombed Libya?
          You have slightly embellished the hundreds of aircraft and thousands of vehicles. Of course, there are positive developments, but not everything is so rosy. The new equipment supplied to the troops, in fact, only plugs the "holes" formed during two decades of inactivity. Moreover, some of the new technology is very "raw" and needs to be fine-tuned and revised.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 10: 05 New
            +1
            Quote: Bongo
            Olga is right, and not only because I am "close to her"

            Well i know that winked
            Quote: Bongo
            At that time, our leadership did not even lift a finger to somehow help the legitimate Libyan authorities

            What could we really do?
            Quote: Bongo
            What do you think, if RK "Moscow" stood up on the Tripoli roadstead and our government had said its "weighty word", would the "partners" have bombed Libya?

            Moscow is on a reid now, SU 24 did not hesitate to shoot down. Yes, and the West knew very well that Russia would not shoot down planes from behind Libya. Moscow alone will not make the weather.
            Quote: Bongo
            As for hundreds of aircraft and thousands of pieces of equipment, you have slightly embellished.

            Yeah, well, come on the facts, how much and what was delivered.
            And yes, Sergey is healthy hi
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 3 December 2015 10: 19 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              What could we really do?

              Yes, a lot of things ... However, what's the point now about this?
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yeah, well, come on the facts, how much and what was delivered.

              Sasha, I will not say for the ground forces and the fleet I do not want to comment at all. But I repeatedly wrote about air defense and you certainly remember that. The new C-400 so far only replace the C-300; there are still no early modifications and a new long-range missile in the troops. Given the fact that the fleet of Su-24 front-line bombers has been greatly reduced, the supplies of Su-34 are not yet able to compensate for this decrease. Well, as long as things are with the Su-35, I think you know, it’s not for nothing that Shoigu has metal lightning in this regard.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 10: 29 New
                +1
                Quote: Bongo
                The new S-400s so far only replace the S-300P of early modifications and there is still no new long-range missile in the troops.

                I know that.
                Quote: Bongo
                Given the fact that the fleet of Su-24 front-line bombers has greatly decreased, the Su-34s supplied are not yet able to compensate for this decrease.

                The order of 70 is already there, a little, yes! But in 2011, even this was not.
                1. Bongo
                  Bongo 3 December 2015 10: 35 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  The order of 70 is already there, a little, yes! But in 2011, even this was not.

                  Sasha, and you don’t remember how many regiments armed with Su-2011M were in 24 in the Far East? Now there is only the 277 th bap in Khurb. crying
    3. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 3 December 2015 06: 35 New
      +6
      Gaddafi's fault is not that he did not ask, but that he did not take care of the full re-equipment of the army and navy. He had money for this event, and in excess. Only an understanding that the attack cannot succeed with impunity can stop the arrogant Saxons and their geyropeysky pack of jackals from attack.
      The rest is from the evil one, only a strong army gives a guarantee against the invasion of the jackals.
      1. builder
        builder 3 December 2015 06: 54 New
        +3
        C-300 purchased on time would solve many problems.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2015 07: 04 New
          +1
          Quote: stroitel
          C-300 purchased on time would solve many problems.

          with total shelling "tomahawks" on air defense? I doubt it ... how many complexes are needed ...
        2. Bongo
          Bongo 3 December 2015 09: 08 New
          +4
          Quote: stroitel
          C-300 purchased on time would solve many problems.

          Together with our new air defense systems, we would have to "buy" our calculations. Libyan air defense crumbled like a house of cards without even trying to organize a reaction. In many ways, of course, it was outdated, but nevertheless ...
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          with total shelling "tomahawks" on air defense? I doubt it ... how many complexes are needed ...
          Then I agree with you, a couple of divisions would not have decided anything. And by and large in Libya would be more in demand mobile medium-range army complexes. For some reason, for us, many consider the C-300 (all modifications not sharing them) to be some kind of miracle weapon. Forgetting that any weapon has both advantages and disadvantages.
      2. tommy717
        tommy717 3 December 2015 06: 58 New
        +7
        What re-equipment? Libyans even put spacecraft - it is useless. They are able to perfectly master (for the most part) the AK-47 and driving a car. Everything else is more complicated alas. This I did not take from the ceiling, if you doubt, but from personal experience. After all, they had been a military specialist for almost 3 years. By the way, the military specialists who taught them were Syrians. Do you know the fate of their only submarine? Or the fishing fleet, rotted in Benghazi, because laziness was to catch fish. And so in everything. So, draw conclusions.
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    4. solovald
      solovald 3 December 2015 08: 30 New
      0
      The man sarcastically, and the crowd threw anti-likes at him. "People", we read more than three words.
  2. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 3 December 2015 06: 12 New
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    The restoration of Libya will not happen bloodlessly. The gangsters sitting on the oil just will not back down. The opinion of the population will not be asked.
  3. venaya
    venaya 3 December 2015 06: 15 New
    +3
    “You gave birth to Hitler, not us!” - recalled Gaddafi, and these words sounded like a prophecy

    How much the defeat of the Libyan state resembles the events of the 2nd World War with subsequent results. That is, like the 2nd MV and the Libyan war ended in a complete defeat of the economy, the difference is only in scale and the goal and results are basically similar, and in both cases the same world evil triumphs.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 3 December 2015 06: 15 New
    +6
    And as always, the mericatos have nothing to do with it. They washed their hands, to the elbow in the blood, and took up Syria.
    Although in Syria they got a bummer. laughing
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 3 December 2015 06: 39 New
      +4
      Quote: aszzz888
      Although in Syria they got a bummer

      You are overly categorical. The attempt of the Russian Federation to change the situation certainly improved the position of B. Assad, but the Americans are slowly "bringing Turkey into the game" against us. Unfortunately, not all problems have been resolved in Syria yet.
  5. nimboris
    nimboris 3 December 2015 06: 17 New
    0
    Losing your head through your hair don't cry
  6. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2015 06: 19 New
    +2
    “You gave birth to Hitler, not us!” - Gaddafi recalled, and these words sounded like a prophecy: a year and a half later, Libyan civilians were killed under bombs and missiles of the "civilized West"
    . read the statement of Gaddafi, about the UN ...
    But what about Russia? Russia, supporting the Security Council resolution, gave its ally to be torn to pieces. Today they prefer not to remember this.
    But was Russia then ready to get involved in the war, as it is now? and now it’s not very, but four and a half years ago it would be foolish ...
    Beni Walid has become a meeting place for representatives of fifty Libyan tribes who are discussing ways to restore a peaceful and prosperous country.
    I beg of you! five dozen tribes agree? do not tell my slippers!
    1. PN
      PN 3 December 2015 06: 33 New
      +6
      Yes, you could at least veto it, it’s not necessary to get into a fight.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2015 06: 48 New
        0
        Quote: PN
        Yes, you could at least veto it, it’s not necessary to get into a fight.

        it was possible to impose a bunch of everything, but who would it stop?
  7. Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 3 December 2015 06: 19 New
    +1
    There will be something similar to what we have in the 90s, although the West is at hand.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 06: 29 New
      +1
      Quote: Svarog5570
      There will be something similar to what we have in the 90s, although the West is at hand.

      What are you talking about?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 3 December 2015 06: 47 New
        0
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What are you talking about?

        about lads and raspberry jackets ... yes
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 06: 51 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          about lads and raspberry jackets ...

          In Libya? Ahahaha
  8. Goga101
    Goga101 3 December 2015 06: 22 New
    +2
    Quote - "There is still hope that the country, destroyed as a result of rude and thoughtless interference, will be reborn." - yeah, schA ... not for that they brought down Libya, so that later they could be reborn. request
  9. strelets
    strelets 3 December 2015 06: 22 New
    +4
    For the country to revive, we need a common leader. With connections and means. With the support of the whole country and truly common goals. And this is not there yet.
  10. Tatar 174
    Tatar 174 3 December 2015 06: 27 New
    +1
    We don’t know all the details, but the fact that they then surrendered Gaddafi and Saddam is bad and now we have what we have ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 06: 42 New
      +5
      Quote: Tatar 174
      but what then surrendered to Gaddafi and Saddam

      We didn’t let anyone in! Bad habits to blame yourself for everything that happens in the world. Saddam sucked successfully both the USSR and the USA, and then played out. The same thing with Gaddafi, the same with Yanukovych. We must think for them as well, how to live in this world?
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 3 December 2015 07: 01 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        We must think for them as well, how to live in this world?

        Alexander, how could it be without this? Everything in the world is interconnected, you always need to think, especially since the enemies are known and they do not sleep, and only wait for you to weaken the sensation. Tell me, maybe Assad should have been torn to pieces, and then Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and others ??? Then we will come to the conclusion that they will try to slam us when we are left alone.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 07: 10 New
          +1
          Quote: Tatar 174

          Alexander, how could it be without this?

          Yes, like this, whom we can help, we have interests, let’s take a look. And nobody asked us to solve the problems of the whole world.
  11. gop
    gop 3 December 2015 06: 30 New
    0
    Nuu, if the West took up the "case", PPC Libya.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 3 December 2015 06: 43 New
      +2
      Quote: Gop
      Nuu, if the West took up the "case", PPC Libya.

      And what else does it exist?
  12. Lumumba
    Lumumba 3 December 2015 06: 33 New
    +1
    Libya.

    Welcome to Hell.
  13. faser
    faser 3 December 2015 06: 36 New
    0
    You have to pay for democracy ... with blood. Question. Why such a democracy? Better to be undemocratic but alive. The most interesting, each in its own way understands its democracy.
  14. Same lech
    Same lech 3 December 2015 06: 41 New
    +2
    Russia, supporting the Security Council resolution, gave its ally to be torn to pieces.


    The work of MEDVEDEV .... he cannot be a statesman for he is not able to calculate such risks.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 3 December 2015 08: 12 New
      -1
      The work of MEDVEDEV ...

      And what about Russia? Russia, supporting the Security Council resolution, gave its ally to be torn apart. Today they prefer not to recall this, but the lessons of the recent past cannot be forgotten. Especially since the then leaders almost in full force rule the country now. The president and the prime minister only changed places, the foreign minister retained his post ...
  15. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 3 December 2015 06: 51 New
    -1
    What happened in 2011 happened as a fact. The initiators and performers of the defeat of Libya are well known. And it makes no sense to look for the guilty in Russia. Then the situation was different and the possibilities are not comparable with today's. Another thing is that they are muddied alone, and the whole world has to take offense.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 December 2015 06: 59 New
    +1
    Yes, with Libya, everything is very bad.
    There were leaders who held their countries,
    developed their countries, ruled countries: Gaddafi, Hussein.
    These are leaders who have grown in these countries and understand how to manage.
    These leaders were removed, knocked out support from under the country.
    How many more years will pass when such a leader appears?
    Will the West allow this leader to come to power?
    How much did we wait for Putin? If from the collapse of the Union, then 10 years.
    And if you count from the coming of Humpbacked Judah?
    So it will be a very long time.
    And now it’s important to keep the remaining leaders,
    this is Assad, this is the leader of Iran.
    Because without them there’s a kapets to the continent.
  17. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 3 December 2015 07: 07 New
    +2
    So the bottom line is that the US government does not need stable governments! They need chaos, war and that there should be scorched earth everywhere! And then they will act with the savages as they want! That's what they need! And it is necessary to act on the basis of their policies. In other words, if there is no way to interfere, then you need to take the initiative for yourself.
  18. Robinzone
    Robinzone 3 December 2015 07: 33 New
    0
    Quote: antiexpert
    Gaddafi himself is to blame - it was necessary to ask, humanly, as Assad did, and everything would be fine)))


    Gaddafi is only to blame for trying to "buy" his population.

    Getting such benefits corrupts. And a person who does not create wealth will flee to another country faster than protect his own.
    1. 0255
      0255 3 December 2015 10: 27 New
      0
      Quote: RobinZone
      Gaddafi is only to blame for trying to "buy" his population.
      Getting such benefits corrupts. And a person who does not create wealth will flee to another country faster than protect his own.

      It was necessary to make the Libyans rogue? In poor countries, riots do not occur?
      1. Robinzone
        Robinzone 3 December 2015 11: 02 New
        +1
        By no means.
        With such unemployment benefits and low cost of living, the population, especially the younger generation, loses the meaning of finding a job. Especially if guest workers work.
        Under such conditions, people have a lot of free time that they need to take something. It was them that the West used to rock the situation.
        A working person does not have time for these outrages.
  19. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 3 December 2015 08: 34 New
    +5
    I am very ashamed of our authorities, who, without any reason, turned out to be DIRECT accomplices of the destruction of Libya.
    But this is a miserable creature - DAM still leads the government of our country.
    Shameful and disgusting. When this nasty face is shown on TV - I immediately switch the channel - it is so disgusting.
  20. avva2012
    avva2012 3 December 2015 08: 56 New
    0
    Gaddafi was friends with England. Ah, it's like a pact with the devil. Then he had assets in Western banks. At the same time, he suddenly decided to introduce the "golden dinar", so that the dollar and the American would be good. If my memory serves me, to the USSR, it is somehow not very good. Like, this is his "correct socialism", but we have a perversion. He was not particularly friendly with the Russian Federation, and why did we not stand up for it, you ask? tommy717 (1): "Even if you supply the Libyans with spacecrafts, it's useless. They are able to master perfectly (mostly) AK-47 and car driving. Everything else is more complicated alas. "Gaddafi, too, was Libyan? Therefore, the result is logical. Note to our authorities. The only hope is that we can learn something, and we can work, and the government does not let us relax, it keeps us in good shape.
  21. Neophyte
    Neophyte 3 December 2015 08: 56 New
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    Golden dinar, the cause of the death of Libya! Similarly, Saddam was thinking about it. In Venezuela, there was an idea about a golden bolivar! Moneylender Anglo-Saxons, panicky afraid of it, because their God is a dollar, could stagger. European slave vassals supported the United States and these disasters were-inevitable.
  22. Varies
    Varies 3 December 2015 09: 02 New
    +1
    Quote: PN
    Whom to ask, gum ladies?

    Jelly DAM, however, gave the order to bend timid Georgians, so that everything could be different with Libya, not in terms of military operation, but in preventing aggression. Sometimes thoughts come that Jamahiriya was sacrificed to world terror in order to delay time, it’s sad, but Gaddafi was not an ally, there were no Syrian-type treaties, he bought weapons and equipment with an eye on multivectorness and pulled strongly, hence the choice in favor of Syria, in any case, it would not have been possible to save everyone ...
    1. Army soldier2
      Army soldier2 3 December 2015 10: 41 New
      +1
      First of all, dear, the LADIES has nothing to do with "whipping up timid Georgians".
      Secondly, in addition to the military operation, there were many other options. And the first one is a veto in the UN Security Council.
  23. NordUral
    NordUral 3 December 2015 09: 21 New
    +5
    Livitsy, protesting against Gaddafi, turned out to be the same idiots as we, citizens of the USSR. And the West, that West, it has always been and is mean, hypocritical and cynically soulless.
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 3 December 2015 09: 24 New
      0
      The Libyans were just idiots. No need to compare their standard of living, before the overthrow of Gaddafi, and us at the end of 80's. Do not insult the citizens of the USSR.
  24. shura7782
    shura7782 3 December 2015 10: 28 New
    0
    Now "It is rather difficult to choose the lesser of the two evils in this situation."
    It was necessary to choose yesterday. More precisely to choose "of two evils" - two, and then according to the situation. It is possible that these places have already been dismantled by our "partners".
  25. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 3 December 2015 10: 31 New
    0
    Probably each of the leaders of numerous tribes dreamed of strengthening his power. Gaddafi interfered --- here he was. The country was torn to pieces.
  26. blackenergy89
    blackenergy89 3 December 2015 10: 45 New
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    the West does not want peace in Libya; it needs only chaos both in Iraq and Syria, since 1917 they were also stuffed with weapons and the support of white or red, it was the same with Iraq and Iran during their wars
  27. Lumumba
    Lumumba 3 December 2015 12: 22 New
    +1
    There are several reasons for the discharge of Libya:

    1). Gaddafi was a leader of his own mind. Loved to look for ways to sit on many chairs.
    2). Too hothouse conditions for the people. By distributing material benefits to the people, the people have lost the habit of working, they are used to freebies, and to the fact that "the government and personally Gaddafi owes him."
    3). The interest of third countries in destabilizing the situation. The bet was made just on the people. To rock the situation, it was enough to get people to work a little, depriving part of the benefits and benefits. Which is what happened.

    PS There is another country, with a large share of the population, who is also accustomed to freebies, and that he (a representative of the population), too, "must". But this country is lucky with the first point. While you're lucky. I think everyone understands what kind of country they mean.