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"Paper Gun"

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The Chinese philosopher Lao-Tse said more than once that ... the most direct and obvious ways actually "lead not to the right place." That is, the obvious impact on society too is not the best, so one should not prohibit, he said, but ensure that people themselves realize that “a noble husband does not do this.” Why such a preface? But to what: we have many problems with different countries and they are solved in different ways, but there are many ways to solve and some of them are not so obvious, although they can be very effective.


And now the story goes about how in the fall of 1979, I, a school teacher in one remote from the regional center Zaplutalovka, which lay at the distance of 14 km from the highway, had to be on it to go through our Russian black soil, to the “native village”, where my wife and little daughter were waiting for me. On the back is a backpack, in the hands of a bag with provisions - because in the village, then, without farming, it was hungry, but where did the teachers who came from the city get from, the economy?

"Paper Gun"

Ceramic gun - that's for sure weapon spies!

I usually walked, kneaded the dirt with my feet and ... cursed, since no one heard me. And then I thought that it would be necessary to spend this time with benefit! History I was already interested in weapons and weapons myself and decided that I needed to come up with ... a fundamentally new pistol, based on what I know about pistols in general. At that time, I knew that a pistol from a military weapon had long ago turned into a status weapon, that those who have it very rarely have to use it and the “case” is usually solved with two or three first shots, and no one and does not lead. In any case, I read about it in the journal Foreign Military Review, and this idea sunk into my head.

And if so, I thought then, then drag on the side of a whole kilogram of milled high-quality steel is completely useless. That to demonstrate the status, a plastic pistol without a bolt and all other parts will fit, but only a solid "monoblock" of plastic, having the shape of a pistol (and beautiful and ergonomic!) In which the bullets and propelling charges should be directly in the barrels, maybe seven, and maybe nine. Moreover, the trunks connected in one unit, would simultaneously be a one-time shop with electric ignition of charges. Shoot them all - threw it away! Shot a part - passed in the training unit, dostrelyvat! Well, the shooting mechanism is the simplest, galetny type with battery power in the handle.

I prepared the outline and description of the pistols and (I remind you that it was the autumn of 1979 of the year!) I sent the defense minister to Ustinov, normal, at that time. Already in spring in March came the answer from the head of a certain military unit number ... (Research Institute of the USSR) where it was written that “your proposal“ pistol ”was considered, but the proposed construction is no better than the Makarov pistol, there is an analogue - a“ four-barreled international ”pistol and it is possible that the barrels adjacent to the GOST used from the polypropylene you declare are softened ... with intensive shooting. Then my technical knowledge was only enough to admire - it’s necessary to have an analogue of “four-barreled international (and I haven’t heard of that!). Well, now I could say that “comrade experts” “melted finely”, because the same question was asked to the Australian designer O'Duaeru, who proposed his bullet pistol a little later, and also from plastic. So he calculated that when firing from several trunks, even the most intense, it is simply impossible to raise the temperature to critical values!


The famous golden pistol Francisco Scaramanga was made of pens and lighters.

13 years have passed, everything has changed, and in 1993, I transferred my project to the commercial venture firm Zeyf, which sent it for examination to Tula. The local specialists made a remark that the hole of the barrel for the block of barrel chambers is too large and dirt can get there! How? After all, the unit is worn attached to the gun, and during the replacement you can already make sure that the dirt does not fall, is not it? But ... "experts are specialists." After such a response, “Zeif” considered that the risk exceeded 50% and did not bother with this development. More years passed, the design of the weapon became more and more improved, now it’s a shooting computer made in ZD technology. After all, modern technology makes it possible for the gun itself, and the blocks of barrels for it to do just that. Moreover, such a gun can be noiseless, have a bullet of a smaller caliber than the barrel, which would block the exit from it to the gases. A bullet of greater length (see fig.) Is a bullet-arrow and in front of you is a block of trunks for firing under water. A gun in both cases one, which is very, very convenient. It is inconvenient to seal it so that “where it is not necessary” does not get water, but in principle this can be done. There are already plastic blocks with electric ignition in security systems, so eventually, probably, a whole plastic gun will appear.


The golden gun of President Lukashenko’s son. They say that he does not part with him. That little child will grow ...

At about the same time I read about the design of a ceramic gun that detectors do not see at airports. Make it difficult, but the goal is worth it. "And what if you make a gun out of paper?" - I thought, and ... did. And not only did, but also tested, then I published the magazine “Tankomaster” and in one of the numbers I described in the article “shooting model for diorama photography”, that is, with smoke, fire, which was very popular at that time. So, there this shooting device in a simplified version was just described: a tube, a flashlight bulb in it with a crushed glass, two wiring, a battery, a button and that's it! I glued the tube out of the ordinary drawing paper, the plug too. Of course, this is not all know-how, but in principle, everything is so! The test bullet was ... bone from a beef mosle, taken out of borsch and ground on a lathe. Behind her, there were four “wings” of razor blades. I also read that the standard NATO target looks like a bar of plasticine 30 cm thick. I had to buy several boxes, mix them all in one color and cut a block of the right length. Then I loaded my pipe, squeezed it in a vice on the edge of the table, installed a clay block at the opposite end of the room and ... pressed a button. Babakhnulu so that I almost deaf, and the tube of paper is not torn! The bullet didn’t break through the block from a distance of five meters, but I had to search for it for a very long time, so my path inside the clay turned out to be so tortuous. So, God forbid, she would get into something else ...



Well, now let's see what this construction opens up prospects today. Suppose that our scout (spies, because they are only “there”), goes “there” with a mission. It is clear that he does not have a weapon and it is generally difficult even to imagine a more law-abiding citizen. But suddenly he receives an order to urgently eliminate the just-appeared inventor of the hyper-atomic bomb, or his goal, and at all, “Dr. Evil.” Question: where will he take the weapon? Of course, such situations for our residents are certainly provided for. There are people who will deliver everything to them, but ... “you want to do something well, do it yourself!” Anyone who is dedicated to your secret can easily sell you!

And here you have with you a set of "young technician": step-by-step instructions, paper, glue, the simplest shooting mechanism, the shape of the viksinta for casting bullets from lead ... In a word, a complete set for making a "paper gun". More than four trunks he did not need. And all non-working voids in it are filled with a mixture of potash nitrate with sugar. The igniter is a match head, covered with a piece of scotch. Made, painted in pink with flowers, charged and ... bang-bang ... "Dr. Evil" killed! Then he walked away, brought the lighter to the igniter, and now a handful of ashes remained from the pistol, which cannot be evidence! There are no traces of the passage of the bore on the pool, there are no fingerprints on the weapon, and there is no weapon itself - that's all! Task completed!
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  1. apro
    apro 3 December 2015 07: 18
    +4
    A good idea, a one-time do-it-yourself weapon for all occasions, and why not, but a paper one-time barrel?
    1. Kazakh
      Kazakh 3 December 2015 08: 08
      +2
      Quote: apro
      but a paper disposable barrel?
      But after all, guns were made of wood, and relatively recently, partisans 43 years old.
    2. V. Salama
      V. Salama 3 December 2015 15: 27
      +4
      Quote: apro
      ... and why not, but a paper disposable barrel?

      At one time, the shepherds of Tibet used a wooden gun to fight wolves (broadcast on TV). The shepherd did not show how it shoots, allegedly saving the resource (up to 100 shots from his words). Here is paper, if papier-mâché is for good glue, then this is already a composite with a new quality. Another question, for what purpose is all this? If for self-defense, then this "mechanism" should be produced in an industrial way with the whole set of tests for survivability, reliability and combat effectiveness, without which there is no hope for this tool in a critical situation. And who needs it? If the times come when a short-barrel is allowed for these purposes, then normal small-sized firecrackers made of normal materials will be thrown onto the market (if there is demand). And so, the only thing that comes to mind is that all this should be included in the instructions for the survival of spies in a situation when it is necessary to overwhelm the client, and the standard weapon is lost.
  2. iv-nord
    iv-nord 3 December 2015 07: 30
    +1
    You can make it original from paper on your knee. Getting ready for a guerrilla war.
  3. Free wind
    Free wind 3 December 2015 07: 47
    14
    For the flight of design thought, of course, 5+. For the manufacture of weapons ...... for 5 years you can fly. With us, even though you invent a blaster, or make a knife, the real time is shining, why is it interesting? afraid of the servants of the people, weapons, afraid. In principle, someone will like the paper barrel, but for me it’s easier to make ignition from a water pipe. And in our time, a plastic gun, a plastic gun, you can print on a 3D printer.
    1. chunga-changa
      chunga-changa 3 December 2015 12: 41
      +2
      As practice shows, the servants of the people are not afraid of anything, they are guarded so that you need an RPG or even better "Bumblebee". Remember the alleged attempt on Chubais.
      The same practice shows that when a citizen has questions to some minor officials, he calmly solves the issue with a permitted smooth-bore weapon, which in the country has up to 10 million barrels. There are just a few who are ready to use it to "protect honor and dignity", four people have been known from the news over the past 15 years. Moreover, weapons are used for criminal purposes about 500 times a year. Compare who should be afraid of weapons, "servants of the people" or ordinary citizens.
      1. would
        would 4 December 2015 06: 16
        +1
        servants of the people are not afraid of anything


        Well then, they would not have caused such a hysteria of the proposal to decriminalize the necessary defense, to allow short-barreled weapons, to remove the experience for rifled, and so on. And they’ll hysteria wildly, but they have nothing to fear, right?

        The same practice shows that when a citizen has questions for certain small officials, he calmly resolves the issue with resolved smooth-bore weapons


        Practice shows that a law-abiding citizen is capable of this only as an exception. For such jokes it is necessary to criminals with illegal weapons, and even not to everyone, not everyone will take on the "wet".

        There are just a few who are ready to use it to "protect honor and dignity", four people have been known from the news over the past 15 years.


        This you know 4 people. To put it mildly, not all matters reach the media, or to be more precise, units.

        Moreover, for criminal purposes, weapons are used about 500 times a year.


        No. According to statistics of 500, this is specifically ALL offenses with legal weapons, and not just intentional violent ones. Shot drunk on a gun fence? Hit the statistics and so on.
  4. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 December 2015 08: 18
    0
    How will a paper barrel hold at least 1000 atmospheres of pressure with a pistol shot? Did the author try anything? Not on paper, but on hands? A ceramic pistol was actually made, but ceramics were not paper, and it shot realistically, although the caliber was small, but if desired, it could easily kill 22 LR.
    1. kalibr
      3 December 2015 08: 43
      0
      As you inattentively read ... Everything is written there! It all depends on how you do it, right?
    2. Major_Vortex
      Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 08: 58
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How will a paper barrel hold at least 1000 atmospheres of pressure with a pistol shot? Did the author try anything? Not on paper, but on hands? A ceramic pistol was actually made, but ceramics were not paper, and it shot realistically, although the caliber was small, but if desired, it could easily kill 22 LR.

      Not ceramic, but using metal ceramics, most likely. Cermets based on certain carbides of metals with special properties are widely used in engineering and even seemingly have nothing to do with ceramics familiar to a housewife. In appearance, such cermets are ordinary metal, only very hard and heat-resistant. Even familiar abrasives do not take every brand of such cermets.
      A paper barrel is stupid. The author described his idea, now let him make a working sample and try to shoot from it, at least five meters into a soft-pine board ... I think the questions will disappear by themselves.
      1. kalibr
        3 December 2015 09: 20
        +3
        It's amazing how inattentive you are, there is just this in the text. Just from five meters on a NATO plasticine target. And what about paper ... folder, that is, the paper sleeve of a hunting rifle can you imagine? It does not break even when blasted outside the barrel. And what is its relation to the diameter and wall thickness? Now imagine the opposite attitude and, I think, the questions will disappear by themselves. But in fact, this is not even a proposal, but an idea that "this is possible". Whether to bring it to mind or not to bring it up to the experts. There were a lot of ideas that seemed stupid. There was just an article about aviation in 37. And in it is a drawing of an airship with solar panels. Then the authors did not guess. But now a message has passed: a very similar airship with a high altitude and the ability to launch drones from it has been tested in China. How many years did the idea wait for implementation?
        1. Major_Vortex
          Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 09: 25
          +2
          What a funny person. Make the barrel exactly the same technology as a gun cartridge for a hunting cartridge. I'm all for it laughing
          But seriously, what was your grade at the school in mathematics and physics? The paper sleeve of the hunting rifle is in the steel barrel at the time of the shot, and the bottom of the sleeve even at the paper sleeve will never be made of paper. Guess why? wink
          1. kalibr
            3 December 2015 14: 16
            +1
            Why are you not reading carefully? You were told: "it does not break even when blown up outside the barrel" Have you tried it? I tried it and it is not difficult for a hunter to check it.
            1. Major_Vortex
              Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 15: 21
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              Why are you not reading carefully? You were told: "it does not break even when blown up outside the barrel" Have you tried it? I tried it and it is not difficult for a hunter to check it.

              If the hunter is dumb as a cork, then he can wind himself up with a "trunk" from old newspapers and start checking until he injures himself or injures someone else. The law is not written for fools. A smart person will start by first sorting out the orders of magnitude: what pressure arises in the barrel when firing, at what length of the barrel it reaches its maximum values ​​when the bullet passes through the barrel at the moment of firing, and what loads the barrel walls experience in this case. Only a person who is absolutely unfriendly with an object confuses the pressure inside the sleeve without the barrel, with the maximum pressure of the powder gases inside the barrel. Start by learning the most basic things about indoor ballistics. Not only paper, much more tear-resistant aluminum and that is not suitable for making a barrel - such a barrel will tear. You apparently never tore a barrel in your hands. Even steel barrels made of insufficient quality steel are torn apart. Therefore, weapons barrel steel, the methods of its production and subsequent processing is a whole science. And leave the paper for the firecrackers. It's strange that I have to explain such elementary things to a person who has a grant from the Soros Foundation for the publication of books on weapons.
              The second point: you took the strongest stamped paper, harder glue and wound more - did not tear this time and did not cripple you. But where will the bullet fired from such a barrel fly and at what speed? It is not necessary to compare with firecrackers. Firecrackers have no task to kill. The barrel swells when fired and bends. And what will happen to the paper barrel compared to the steel, even if it does not tear when fired? ... Which elastic moduli of steel do not tell you in comparison with papier-mâché?
              1. kalibr
                3 December 2015 16: 32
                0
                I will not argue with you. You write everything correctly, I will only say that everything can be done for a one-time use, and this is about that. Not for permanent. As for the grant, the grant is not given "for" the book, but for the writing of a book, including by Soros. And from him it was received in 1998, when the fund's activities in Russia were completely legal, and secondly, for the book "Knights of the East", published in 2000. There is no connection between one and the other, just look at this edition on the Internet. So it hardly makes sense to remember Soros here. There are cutlets, and there are flies. And at least I heard about elasticity modules. But we are talking about developing for a critical situation and everything can be thought over, which, by the way, people have written about here. And so, if necessary, if desired, you can shoot from an old iron. Drill a hole in it, fill it with gunpowder, plug it with a nut, put it on gas, and put the person with his back to him to drink tea. But walking with an iron is inconvenient.
                1. Major_Vortex
                  Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 22: 00
                  0
                  I have already suggested that you do what you describe, then equip a paper barrel with a cartridge and shoot a paper pistol from a distance of 5 meters into a pine board. If the paper "trunks" do not break when fired with a conventional cartridge, will it be possible to hit the board from such a barrel from a distance of 5 meters and how many millimeters the bullet will enter the tree. Or do you really not understand the difference between a military weapon and a useless and traumatic bogeyman? Just do not write about the fact that it "banged as much as the ears laid" laughing Specifically: the distance of the shot is five meters, the caliber is such and such, the cartridge is such and such, the bullet is such and such, the paper barrel is such and such, hitting a circle from a distance of 5 meters with a series of 5-10 shots with a diameter of such and such, penetration of a bullet into wood to a depth of such and such ... Try to accelerate a bullet in a paper barrel to a speed normal for a firearm, so that the barrels do not vomit at the same time and the bullets hit the growth target from at least five meters. For a steel barrel with a normal wall thickness, even without grooves, this is a trivial task. But you are convinced that you can make a combat barrel out of paper. Only at the same time you lose sight of the fact that no manufacturer in the world produces weapons with a paper barrel, although no one bothers weapon manufacturers to experiment with barrel materials. And they persist in making steel barrels. Not even aluminum, which is many times stronger than paper, but steel. What is "stopping" them? The Vedas have experimented enough with different materials for the manufacture of trunks, but no one makes trunks from paper. Nobody makes barrels for pistols and guns from leather and wood either. Even from fiberglass composites or aluminum, no manufacturer makes military weapon barrels. Do you think they don't know that there is such a wonderful material as paper or for some other reason? Go ahead, I have set the task condition for you.
                  1. kalibr
                    4 December 2015 07: 54
                    0
                    But in the article and in the comments of those who come here everything is written. You read inattentively again. No one suggests releasing such weapons. Especially shoot from the barrel with a series of 5-10 shots. Nobody offers it! THIS IS NOT OFFERED! And what is written about and what others saw is in the material. EVERYTHING! You do not see, this is your business. And it’s just ridiculous to read about manufacturers. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.
                    1. Major_Vortex
                      Major_Vortex 4 December 2015 08: 42
                      0
                      Quote: kalibr
                      But in the article and in the comments of those who come here everything is written. You read inattentively again. No one suggests releasing such weapons. Especially shoot from the barrel with a series of 5-10 shots. Nobody offers it! THIS IS NOT OFFERED! And what is written about and what others saw is in the material. EVERYTHING! You do not see, this is your business. And it’s just ridiculous to read about manufacturers. Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs.

                      Caliber, it’s hard for you to realize that they aren’t releasing it because it makes no sense to make such a barrel. From which they just did not try to make trunks - you simply were not interested in this topic. Make a barrel of reinforced concrete. Reinforced concrete is also solid and even better than a pack of paper - it is also not combustible laughing Although this is not the main problem of the paper "barrel". Paper sleeves are still produced, and two hundred years ago there were no all-metal sleeves at all. How difficult it is for a person who lives in an alternate reality to understand, where the laws of physics and the properties of materials exist quite conditionally, that the barrel material must have certain physical properties in order to resist the loads that arise inside the barrel when fired. A bullet fired from the barrel must accelerate to transonic or even supersonic speed from zero for several centimeters of the barrel length. It is hindered in this, first of all, by the forces of friction against the barrel walls and its own mass. The bullet accelerates in the barrel, rather than flying through it. The bullet does not accelerate in the case, and this is your main delusion. Therefore, there are paper and plastic cases, and there are even cartridges and charges without any cases at all. In this case, the barrel in the process of firing should be minimally deformed, minimally expanded so that the bullet went exactly to the target, the rapidly expanding powder gases did not break through the bullet, but were used to accelerate it in the barrel bore. You are not the only one raving about paper trunks. Many children and adolescents who are fond of slingshots and crossbows came to similar thoughts when they saw the paper sleeve of a hunting cartridge: make it thicker, smear it with fat inside so that it glides and does not burn ... laughing But the paper will not withstand such a load and the paper barrel will not work. And sleeves, fireworks are beautifully made from glued cardboard. But there is no task to get somewhere and disperse the projectile to transonic speed. Take at least once a gun in your hands and shoot aiming from it. Your judgments are at the level of an eight-year-old child who raves with perpetual motion machines and paper guns. The paper barrel will not work. You get a traumatic pugach. Read smart books, not the yellow press that you reprint here. Fershteyn?
            2. Nikolaevich I
              Nikolaevich I 4 December 2015 02: 28
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              "it does not break even when detonated outside the barrel"

              I haven’t tested it, I don’t know. But if there is a "link to practice" ..... Probably, in this case it depends on the rate of combustion (combustion) of the powder, and in this case the powder gases "find a way out" without having time to break the sleeve. it means that you can "run into" such gunpowder that you cannot feel the satisfaction of being right.
      2. P. Yaroslav
        P. Yaroslav 3 December 2015 09: 33
        +2
        Read it again.
        Then I charged my pipe, clamped it in a vice on the edge of the table, installed a plasticine block on the opposite end of the room and ... pressed the button. It banged so hard that I was nearly deaf, and the paper tube did not burst!
        This is about the current sample. So the questions have not disappeared.
        1. Major_Vortex
          Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 09: 43
          0
          Quote: P. Yaroslav
          Read it again.
          Then I charged my pipe, clamped it in a vice on the edge of the table, installed a plasticine block on the opposite end of the room and ... pressed the button. It banged so hard that I was nearly deaf, and the paper tube did not burst!
          This is about the current sample. So the questions have not disappeared.

          It remains for the author to cut down the working sample and put the results of the "shooting" at least five meters into a soft pine board. And then compare with the smallest mass-produced cartridge.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 3 December 2015 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Did the author try anything? Not on paper, but on hands?

      It looks like you have not read what the author writes - "... Then I loaded my pipe, clamped it in a vice on the edge of the table, set a plasticine block on the opposite end of the room and ... pressed the button. It was so loud that I almost went deaf, and the paper tube did not break! " request
    4. avdkrd
      avdkrd 3 December 2015 09: 47
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      How will a paper barrel hold at least 1000 atmospheres of pressure with a pistol shot? Did the author try anything? Not on paper, but on hands? A ceramic pistol was actually made, but ceramics were not paper, and it shot realistically, although the caliber was small, but if desired, it could easily kill 22 LR.

      I can’t comment on 1000 atmospheres, but the cardboard guide at the "Roman candles" allows you to shoot quite heavy charges and judging by the recoil pressure, everything is in order. Of course, a calculation is needed, but "by eye" a working version can be made from any cardboard tube, it can only be with a slight increase. Probably the author correctly implemented the device of a sub-caliber bullet, if the bullet is caliber, then there is a greater chance of rupture of the barrel. You can't make a barrel out of ceramic on the knee.
    5. xBoris
      xBoris 3 December 2015 10: 06
      +2
      He also has a description of the test in the text: ".. It was so loud that I almost went deaf .."
      You did not dabble in rockets as a child? We glued paper cases. Of course, they didn’t charge with gunpowder, but not one exploded, although the perfume bottles, cologne .. - from our mixture flew no worse than grenades.
      In addition, the caliber of the glued barrel is 5-7 mm., The specific pressure in it per unit area will be lower than in our children's rockets - it means it will withstand it.
    6. vitalius
      vitalius 7 December 2015 20: 08
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      A ceramic pistol was actually made, but ceramics were not paper, and it shot realistically, although the caliber was small, but if desired, it could easily kill 22 LR.

      Bgggg.


  5. dokusib
    dokusib 3 December 2015 09: 03
    +2
    Well, cardboard is a pretty solid thing. Yachts were made from it, bikes were made. I think the disposable barrel is not a problem either. And with proper technical study, the result is quite decent. And do not need a 3D printer for 10 pieces of candy wrappers.
  6. Bayonet
    Bayonet 3 December 2015 09: 34
    +1
    From the petition of the Yaitsky Army of February 10, 1721 to the State Military College (the text is cited by AB Karpov in the book “Uralites”):
    "... and they made wooden cannons and hit them, the Tatars, in which, instead of cannonballs, they put bones and missiles, and beat them, Tatars, a considerable number that they, the Tatars, seeing, and retreated"
    1. Chiropractor
      Chiropractor 3 December 2015 14: 15
      0
      Wooden guns were made before - they cut out the gutters in the halves of the tree trunk, fastened with iron hoops. Thick walls and a narrow channel. Of course, the card cases - the trunk gradually burned out and the caliber increased, you can’t pour a yaler on all occasions. The rate of fire is low - before proceeding to the delights of loading, it was vitally necessary to extinguish everything inside the barrel and make sure 100% that the powder does not flash when filling.
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 14: 20
        0
        And why pistols and guns with wooden and leather barrels did not make anyone interested? And then a local eccentric under the nickname kalibr "know-how" promotes laughing
  7. Bayonet
    Bayonet 3 December 2015 09: 44
    +1
    Leather guns were not uncommon in the Middle Ages. They met everywhere - from the Czech Republic to Tibet. Even in the 17th century, the Swedish (the most advanced in Europe) army was armed with light weapons of such a device. The guns twisted from rolls of skin could shoot only buckshot and were very dangerous to operate. The barrel quickly burned out, and the gun could explode at any moment.
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 4 December 2015 02: 49
      +1
      Quote: Bayonet
      Leather guns were not uncommon in the Middle Ages.

      As far as I know, the "leather" guns were not "absolutely" leather. They were thin-walled bronze barrels wrapped in leather and rope. So some modern grenade launchers, recoilless (fiberglass barrel with steel liner) - "remakes"!
  8. Burbur
    Burbur 3 December 2015 10: 01
    +1
    Paper trunk? Easy. Here on New Year's Eve how many rocket launcher sticks naughty? There are 10-15 rounds. And do not tear them. So it’s possible. That's only with accuracy trouble. Although, if not far and feathered arrow ...
  9. Bayonet
    Bayonet 3 December 2015 10: 04
    +2
    Wooden guns.
  10. bionik
    bionik 3 December 2015 10: 54
    +2
    The Americans had a kind of "ersatz" -FP-45 Liberator a single-shot smoothbore gun from the Second World War, which was produced in the USA in 1942 for partisan and resistance forces.

    The gun was extremely simple to manufacture, it had only 23 parts obtained as a result of stamping or pressing. The cost of weapons was $ 2,40. The weapons were planned to be thrown over the front line for use by partisan troops. "Liberator" was not considered as the main weapon for fighting, it was planned that resistance fighters, having received such weapons, would use it for a secret attack on the enemy, including for the abduction of weapons.
  11. Snail N9
    Snail N9 3 December 2015 11: 05
    0
    Well, a "last resort" weapon is easy enough to make from the parts of a "dowel" pistol. For firing bullets, cartridges for dowels can also be used: either these cartridges themselves with rolling under a bullet or as parts for homemade cartridges - gunpowder, an igniter, etc.
  12. ilkornej
    ilkornej 3 December 2015 11: 50
    +2
    Exactly the same pistol with a barrel unit has long been in service with German combat swimmers. The match is complete. Even an electric fuse. It was in the magazine Weapons.
    1. kalibr
      3 December 2015 14: 18
      -1
      You see ... And it was proposed back in 1980! Then in 92 ...
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 14: 28
        -3
        Quote: kalibr
        You see ... And it was proposed back in 1980! Then in 92 ...

        With pressed toilet paper barrel laughing
        1. kalibr
          3 December 2015 16: 35
          0
          You apparently do not read at all what others write. Only yourself. Not paper, but heat-resistant plastic. And none of the reviewers expressed doubts about its durability. The material also says this. Moreover, there are disposable security systems. And it is written. By the way, you know that one comrade from Odessa, Paliychuk, back in 1929 proposed to cover the sides of ships with hexagonal prisms with explosives producing a "gas-dynamic reflection effect". It is clear that he was rejected. But time passed, yes, and in 1982 such armor appeared on Israeli tanks. And it could be on ours, right? And before! So crazy ideas are not always really crazy. Nobody offers this for the army. I will emphasize again. It was about the fact that in special cases this can be used. There is no need to conjecture what is not in the text.
          1. Major_Vortex
            Major_Vortex 3 December 2015 22: 19
            -1
            Do you refuse paper already? ... laughing
            1. kalibr
              4 December 2015 07: 58
              0
              Are you illiterate? Offered in 1980 and 92 pistol with a block of plastic barrels. This is a paper kit for a spy "in case", shot once and the end! Is that so clear? And the text has it! You don't have to read it diagonally, but everything. And ascribe your thoughts to others ...
              1. Major_Vortex
                Major_Vortex 4 December 2015 08: 46
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                Are you illiterate? Offered in 1980 and 92 pistol with a block of plastic barrels. This is a paper kit for a spy "in case", shot once and the end! Is that so clear? And the text has it! You don't have to read it diagonally, but everything. And ascribe your thoughts to others ...

                It is you "spy" illiterate laughing
  13. tarik13
    tarik13 3 December 2015 12: 28
    +4
    The gun of Lukashenko’s son is actually Gaddafi’s gun. There are even Arabs in the background.
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 3 December 2015 14: 29
      0
      And his hand does not hold a child.
    2. kalibr
      3 December 2015 16: 45
      0
      Probably so, the photo was taken from the Internet and there was such a signature.
      1. Major_Vortex
        Major_Vortex 4 December 2015 00: 27
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Probably so, the photo was taken from the Internet and there was such a signature.

        "Caliber", is this your article? Now it is clear, because such a collection of outright nonsense on the pages of the site can only be born in your unhealthy head. The golden pistol of Lukashenko's son, which is actually a pistol of a completely different person, a ceramic CIA pistol that never existed in real life, a golden pistol from a spy detective about James Bond, which is generally not clear here for what purpose is mentioned here, and finally, a tearful story about a poor rural teacher who unsuccessfully offered the Ministry of Defense a pistol with a plastic barrel, but everyone ignored him and he had to sculpt a "NATO target" out of plasticine and make a pistol and beef butter to prove his "rightness" ... do you smoke laughing And the hunt for you to scribble paper picking up such low-grade nonsense fool
        1. kalibr
          4 December 2015 08: 01
          0
          As soon as the arguments end, so immediately begins "you" and "what do you smoke". As it is ... in Russian, in the worst sense of the word. And returning to our topic, without going personal, I will say that there is a video on the Web, where Americans shoot from a 12,7 caliber rifle at reams of paper. And the bullet does not penetrate them! True, there are many packs! So the tube can be wound in such a way that it will be equal in strength to steel, although it will turn out to be very thick. Winning in strength, we lose in distance - this is the law.
          1. Major_Vortex
            Major_Vortex 4 December 2015 08: 51
            -1
            Quote: kalibr
            As soon as the arguments end, so immediately begins "you" and "what do you smoke". As it is ... in Russian, in the worst sense of the word. And returning to our topic, without going personal, I will say that there is a video on the Web, where Americans shoot from a 12,7 caliber rifle at reams of paper. And the bullet does not penetrate them! True, there are many packs! So the tube can be wound in such a way that it will be equal in strength to steel, although it will turn out to be very thick. Winning in strength, we lose in distance - this is the law.

            Instead of demonstrating my illiteracy, I would read something smart on the topic. And the bullet does not pierce the paper, and the ground, and even snow. But trunks are not made of earth and snow. For the same reason, they are not made of paper either. Even from friction against the air, the bullet loses speed and at a certain moment of flight stops "piercing" it.
            1. Major_Vortex
              Major_Vortex 4 December 2015 14: 36
              0
              ... Caliber, are you really U.P.O.P.O.P.O. or Z.P.O.P.P.E.C.O.S.O.A.s. .y, if you think that instructing me in the minuses will make you shoot the paper barrel laughing I’m betting you one hundred grams of non-alcoholic beer that your fantasies about the paper barrel will remain at the level of children's unrealized fantasies and you won’t be able to glue even 5-10 disposable tubes for the experiment to make sure of your own misconceptions regarding small arms.
              Do you remember my proposal for a series of 5-10 shots at a distance of five meters into a pine board, with fixing the depth of penetration of the bone bullet into soft wood and the radius of the circle where the "hits" would fit? wink You can't even repeat such a simple experiment, let alone sit down to read the basics and understand what properties the barrel of a normal, even "disposable" weapon should have.
  14. Bolhevik
    Bolhevik 3 December 2015 13: 54
    +1
    Well, let's say about the status of a person with a weapon - if a unit of weapons has the property of being used exclusively by special forces and weighs on a person on a belt - then the status is more or less clear. And if a paper gun hangs on a belt, then who is this? The commando, saboteur or patient do not understand the status.
    in general, if due to physical or moral qualities, it is not possible to deal with the subscriber with improvised means - from a knife to a crowbar, that is, there is an option to remain without eyes in the hospital and with status. But just in time of peace, killing people is bad.
    1. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 3 December 2015 20: 14
      0
      A gunman in Argentina, kills while trying to rob, in my opinion
  15. Denimax
    Denimax 3 December 2015 14: 01
    0
    The paper barrel does not interfere with kapron thread and glued in several layers. Strength will then increase significantly.
  16. martin-159
    martin-159 3 December 2015 14: 26
    0
    I would like to know what kind of gunpowder the author used?
    1. kalibr
      3 December 2015 16: 38
      0
      Smokeless of a hunting cartridge, but I don’t remember the brand, it was a long time ago.
  17. Normal ok
    Normal ok 3 December 2015 14: 49
    0
    Sorry, not quite on the topic, but the question is ripe. The situation we yourself know what, I want to buy in the house :) 9-mm semiautomatic device. The stores have Brazilian Taurus CT9G2 and Turkish MKE T-94A2 30 S (licensed copy of MP5). Who used - share your feelings. TTX does not need to be reprinted :) I myself am an artilleryman - therefore I used small arms once every half a year.
    1. stroybat ZABVO
      stroybat ZABVO 3 December 2015 20: 16
      -1
      I have a Brazilian taurus, pt 92 aif
  18. ILIA
    ILIA 3 December 2015 14: 51
    +3
    For a long time I thought to myself trellis to do something)))
    The fact is that I wasn’t a little man, not so long ago, a dog almost ate .. in the literal sense I would chew ..
    He managed to throw a bag in his hands that was in his hands.
    thank God enough .. because there was nothing more to throw in the teeth)
    In the hearts of the material owner of the dog, mother of the dog, mother of the owner of the dog and wished the owner of the dog all himself))
    I would like to appeal to our local "rulers" to equate large dogs without a muzzle to weapons ...
    I don’t go around the yard with an ax.
    That time I got caught, and if the child is small. I just have such a growth.
    I’ll make a relevant topic from materials at hand ...
    Health and life are more expensive)
    1. V. Salama
      V. Salama 3 December 2015 16: 20
      0
      Quote: ILIA
      That time I got caught, and if the child is small. I just have such a growth.
      I’ll make a relevant topic from materials at hand ...

      The task is formulated incorrectly. You won’t give the baby trellis. And although the dog is different for the dog, in most cases an aerosol spray or a stun gun is enough and, of course, the formation of skills and psychological resistance in such situations. Our legislation is still strange, and enforcement is even worse.
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    3. kalibr
      3 December 2015 18: 38
      -2
      Oh, you can’t! Do not even think! The law is the law and it strictly forbids all this!
  19. ILIA
    ILIA 3 December 2015 14: 56
    0
    I think 12 shotgun reloading ... reduce the weight of gunpowder
    1. Lekov L
      Lekov L 3 December 2015 16: 21
      0
      Quote: ILIA
      I think 12 shotgun reloading ... reduce the weight of gunpowder

      Criminally punishable, but absolutely possible. Read above about the kapron thread. Elongation in caliber at the 12 sleeve caliber is low, better caliber smaller.
      And it is better to buy a souvenir called Cossack hunting, or a Kalmyk sling.
      Analogue nunchaku, only better, easier to use and absolutely legal product of folk art. Wolves were beaten to death with one blow to the head.
      But in general, I don’t understand how this is possible - the dogman himself and was attacked only once in his life - they set off.
      I then explained to the owner that he was wrong. He did not complain to the police, he also treated his dog for his money.
    2. kalibr
      3 December 2015 16: 54
      0
      You know there is a Japan Antiques company. They had a shooting device that was worn in the sleeve. No gunpowder, but no less powerful. Ask on their site what it is and how it works and how much it costs.
  20. QWERTY
    QWERTY 3 December 2015 17: 37
    -1
    "The golden pistol of President Lukashenko's son. They say that he will not part with him. That little child will grow up ..." - remove this nonsense. In the background there are pronounced NEBELORUSIANS .... I pumped up the photo, signed it as if it was enough and posted it.
    1. kalibr
      3 December 2015 18: 29
      -2
      Yes, there are enough pictures on this topic on the Web, you are right.
  21. QWERTY
    QWERTY 3 December 2015 17: 40
    +2
    As a child, they made home-made self-propelled guns from a sharpened latch, tube, piece of wood and a piece of rubber. Caliber - any, depends on the tube. But mostly for building stuff, it’s understandable.
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  23. Foxmara
    Foxmara 3 December 2015 17: 52
    0
    it's dark here [media = http: //vk.com/video1451307_168849760]
  24. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 3 December 2015 20: 04
    +1
    The case is decided by the first two or three shots ... I subscribe to this opinion. My impression from the Argentine criminal chronicle that this is so, plus a little personal experience ☺. Therefore, I do not wear 17 + 1, but carry a revolver with a 5-1 drum, that is, there are only 4 rounds in the drum. I was warned by knowledgeable people ☺ that if a revolver falls, then despite the fact that it has a "double" safety catch, it can fire when it falls on a hard surface, at first I did not really attach much importance to this, I had no experience of wearing a revolver, and at first I wanted "more more cartridges! Cartridges !!! " Therefore, when, one day, the revolver fell and fired, breaking through the shelf in the kitchen, breaking cups, the scandal with the Argentine wife, began to wear 4 in the drum. Duc about the chronicle ... General impressions, I'm not an extra☺, if there is only one robber and one victim, but armed, the outcome is usually 0-1, not in favor of the robber, if there are more than one robbers, which, by the way, is more common, then here 1-1, and it is almost impossible to escape. But all the same in both cases, more than two or three shots, either you don't have time, or you don't need to.
  25. Gr. Engineer
    Gr. Engineer 3 December 2015 21: 38
    +2
    The author, as he himself described himself, is a classic representative of folk inventors. There have always been a lot of them and often their inventions make sense. It is remarkable that the author did not just fantasize, but made a working model. If the author had watched the Mythbusters program on TV, he could have seen how these fellows wound a cannon from paper on glue and fired 100 meters of real cannonballs from it. By increasing the charge of black powder, they finally made the cannon burst. Black powder is good for such experiments, as it burns well even at low pressure in the barrel. Viewing comments inspired sad thoughts.
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  26. evil partisan
    evil partisan 3 December 2015 21: 44
    +1
    Everything, of course, is beautiful and Respect to the Author, only Doctor Evil is guarded in such a way that he cannot be obtained from RPGs ... But about the paper. In zones, prisoners made newspapers from clubs. By impact, no worse than rubber. True, they say no more than 2 hits, then all, trash ...
  27. Svist
    Svist 4 December 2015 02: 23
    +1
    As for the newspapers ... Once upon a time, at the end of the 80s, I often had to return home from the garage at night through the dark, through the cemetery. It turned out twice as close. Wrapped the rasp in the newspaper. Once rescued from "Give me a smoke" ... smile
  28. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 4 December 2015 04: 20
    +1
    I am sorry that I did not immediately pay attention to this article. (I thought: again, a 3D printer is in the subject!). I'm sorry, because in my youth I designed such devices. The movers of this occupation were 2 ideas: "to invent" a product that could be made on a "vice with a file"; and "how to make a store, breech-loading, self-loading, nar