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Stoltenberg: violations of the borders of Turkey and Greece are two "completely different situations"

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CNN host Hala Gorani, in a conversation with NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg, suggested that he adheres to double standards in the situation with the violation of the air borders of Turkey and Greece, reports RIA News.




Speaking about the downed Su-24, Stoltenberg said Turkey has the right to defend its border, when it came to Greece, which accused the Turkish Air Force of regularly violating its air borders, he began to assert that there is a completely different situation.

The presenter reminded the Secretary General of the statement of the Greek Prime Minister, who paid attention to the constant violations of the borders of the country by Turkish aircraft. “What is NATO’s response to this?” She asked.

“These are two completely different situations,” Stoltenberg replied. “On the border with Syria and Iraq, Turkey is at the epicenter of a difficult and unstable situation.” And this fact allegedly puts the country in special conditions.

Is it possible in this case to talk about double standards, asked Gorani.

"Not. We emphasize the importance of observing the air borders of any nation, ”the Secretary General replied.

According to him, it is necessary to understand that “Turkey is in a special situation because of its close proximity to the epicenter of the conflict in Syria and Iraq,” and also because of the increased Russian presence in Syria.

“You want to say that Turkey should be allowed to violate borders, for example, Greece, because of its presence in a problematic area and in a difficult situation?” Asked Gorani.

At first, Stoltenberg replied in the negative, but then “moved out” again to the peculiarity of the situation, which “must be understood.”
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  1. avvg
    avvg 1 December 2015 18: 34 New
    82
    Double standard, double morality is hypocrisy and a moral crisis in the West.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 1 December 2015 18: 38 New
      55
      Political prostitution is a very dangerous and intractable disease. It seems that it has hit the vast majority of NATO members. Stoltenberg is no exception. With such verbiage, he will soon have nothing to think about - from the stress of the gyrus I can evaporate.
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 1 December 2015 18: 40 New
        130
        Только что. По поводу СУ-24 - Сатановский - Бому (у Соловьёва): "Если Вы ошиблись дверью, идя сюда в студию, то вахтёр Вас может пристрелить?"
        Even if you just walked a step into the wrong room?
        At the same time, I warned you not in your language 10 times (eg: -Eprst, x ... you shove here, shnyaga!)! laughing
      2. Sterlya
        Sterlya 1 December 2015 18: 54 New
        18
        They think the smartest seem. But I don’t think so.
        What can I say in a world where the word honor is forgotten.
        And she will return only soon after the big war. A kind of cleansing the earth from filth. If this scum turns out to be destroyed. In World War II, it did not work. It didn’t quite work out.
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          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 1 December 2015 19: 19 New
            +5
            Quote: Denis Obukhov
            Such hypocrisy leads to war.

            Only such hypocrisy led to wars. So they are specialists like to kindle war.
            It is unlikely that B & W will buy it all. It seems to me like guys from the street. Well, it sometimes flares up. only.
            1. Sanmak
              Sanmak 1 December 2015 20: 31 New
              12
              Quote: Sterlya
              Quote: Denis Obukhov
              Such hypocrisy leads to war.

              Only such hypocrisy led to wars. So they are specialists like to kindle war.
              It is unlikely that B & W will buy it all. It seems to me like guys from the street. Well, it sometimes flares up. only.


              For what it seems that it was already -dezhu !!! Some parallels arise, as if before the start of the Great Patriotic War of 1941, we are trying in every possible way to delay time and gain more strength !!!
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 1 December 2015 22: 36 New
                14
                Quote: Sanmak
                Some parallels arise

      3. Civil
        Civil 1 December 2015 18: 59 New
        +7
        The State Department competently plays cards, we were framed, the Turks were set against ... no matter how drawn in further ...
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 1 December 2015 19: 21 New
          +6
          Quote: Civil
          The State Department competently plays cards, we were framed, the Turks were set against ... no matter how drawn in further ...

          Yes, competently. We hope the GDP has enough information to digest and make the right decisions.
          1. varov14
            varov14 2 December 2015 04: 27 New
            0
            Think with your head, a corrupt environment that sleeps and sees how to reset it, can not provide true information. He got them fighting corruption, innovation, modernization and other actions. People lived quietly behind the broad back of the State Department, were engaged in a profitable business - privatizing and converting it into scrap metal, and you got a show off, though they guessed right away to put it on a pedestal and took over the world. It will fall more painfully, yes, vanity in front of the mind.
        2. tol100v
          tol100v 1 December 2015 19: 47 New
          +2
          The State Department, as always, plays with marked cards, and at once on many tables (regions) of the world. And everywhere it creates pockets of instability that explode sooner or later! And the SGA just needs it. After all, they don’t know how to save a green piece of paper!
        3. mirag2
          mirag2 1 December 2015 20: 08 New
          +8
          The State Department competently plays cards, we were set up, the Turks were set against ... no matter how drawn in further ..
          Да.А наши заявления которые являются правдой-для них или "недостаточны" или "не проверены"...
          Here is the Bab al-Hawa border crossing on the Turkey-Syria border and fuel trucks crossing it, video from the Syrian news agency SANA:
          -What will the State Department say in response? Not tied to the locality?
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 December 2015 22: 26 New
            +6
            Quote: mirag2
            Here is the Bab al-Hawa border crossing on the Turkey-Syria border and fuel trucks crossing it, video from the Syrian news agency SANA

            Did Herdogan promise to resign? Bye Bye....
            1. varov14
              varov14 2 December 2015 04: 33 New
              +3
              Found Taras Bulba.
      4. the most important
        the most important 1 December 2015 19: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Political prostitution is a very dangerous and intractable disease.

        do not ship the european! it already works for wear and tear ... it’s a pity that I don’t have a head of course ...
      5. Vikings
        Vikings 1 December 2015 19: 16 New
        0
        It’s not a disease of My dear. It’s pleasure + profit, depending
        the bridge! In this case, in the person of Stoltenberg, all of NATO !!!
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 December 2015 20: 16 New
        +1
        Stoltenberg: violations of the borders of Turkey and Greece are two "completely different situations"

        laughing laughing laughing laughing laughing
        It is time for Stoltenberg to be treated by a psychiatrist! Yes, and resign as soon as possible, until he did business.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 1 December 2015 20: 30 New
          +3
          Quote: GSH-18

          It is time for Stoltenberg to be treated by a psychiatrist! Yes, and resign as soon as possible, until he did business.

          The fact is that as Psaki he cannot become pregnant with the subsequent departure on a life maternity leave. wink Therefore, his stupidity will please us for a long time.
        2. Lelek
          Lelek 1 December 2015 23: 18 New
          +6
          Quote: GSH-18
          It is time for Stoltenberg to be treated by a psychiatrist! Yes, and resign as soon as possible, until he did business.


          Какие-то вы все угрюмые, недружелюбные, ругательные. Ну, как вы не поймёте, что существует ГОСТ на пост директора НАТО. Будь Столтенберг умнее или самостоятельнее, разве стал бы он этим директором? Так-что не надо на "попугая" бочку катить. Его главная задача откукарекать свой срок, не пукнув против хозяина, получить не хилую пенсию и писать мемуары о своей героической деятельности на страже миропорядка, сидя в кресле-качалке на террасе альпийского шале. bully
        3. varov14
          varov14 2 December 2015 04: 42 New
          +2
          He apparently meant that when crossing the border they did not ask for a passport, he just forgot that the Turks were not in the EU, they sewn up.
      7. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 1 December 2015 20: 24 New
        +4
        Situations are really different. Our plane did not enter Turkish airspace, no matter how much they cried about it. But the Turkish in the airspace of Greece behave quite impudently.
        And the same thing is that the Turks invade both Syria and Greece. More precisely, they invaded. Now, I think, they will already look back at our air defense systems.
      8. Tersky
        Tersky 1 December 2015 20: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Political prostitution is a very dangerous and intractable disease. It seems that it has hit the vast majority of NATO members.

        This disease is not treated, when God wants to punish, he deprives the mind. In my opinion this is just the case ...
      9. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 1 December 2015 20: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Political prostitution is a very dangerous and intractable disease.

        This disease is incurable. And it, unfortunately, suffers not only in the top leadership. Obolvannye residents, ordinary citizens, suffer from this disease to no lesser extent. This is a very contagious disease and is transmitted through the media.
      10. Sergey S.
        Sergey S. 1 December 2015 22: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Political prostitution is a very dangerous and intractable disease.

        From what?
        The medicine has long been known - an ice pick in the hands of a communist.
    2. Vend
      Vend 1 December 2015 18: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: avvg
      Double standard, this is the moral of the West.

      Yes, there are not double standards, but not self-sufficiency. He speaks and immediately contradicts himself. Clown one word. Maybe he also has critical days? laughing
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 1 December 2015 18: 42 New
        33
        Let him talk ... And we work!

        Everything can be better friends with Russia gentlemen ...
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 1 December 2015 18: 51 New
          32
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Everything can be better friends with Russia gentlemen ..

          The picture is clickable.
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 1 December 2015 18: 52 New
          +2
          And what is that little blue crap over Syria?
          1. Coconut Tima
            Coconut Tima 1 December 2015 19: 03 New
            +6
            Quote: VIK1711
            And what is that little blue crap over Syria?

            State of Armenia
          2. I read the news
            I read the news 1 December 2015 19: 10 New
            +3
            Quote: VIK1711
            And what is that little blue crap over Syria?

            Greco-Armenian-Kudrd Autonomous Okrug
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      2. sabakina
        sabakina 1 December 2015 18: 50 New
        10
        Думаю, это не двойные стандарты, и не неадекватность. Это походу уже религия, ибо сказано: "Придёт антихрист и кто его веру не примет-умрёт. Спасутся лишь непринявшие лживую веру.". Простите, цитирую по своей дырявой памяти. Остаётся только верить в истинную веру Христа и в себя...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 1 December 2015 19: 04 New
          +9
          Quote: sabakina
          Думаю, это не двойные стандарты, и не неадекватность. Это походу уже религия, ибо сказано: "Придёт антихрист и кто его веру не примет-умрёт. Спасутся лишь непринявшие лживую веру.".

          Надо понимать,что у США в отношении России один приоритет,это демонизировать ее перед всем миром,и "загнать зарвавшуюся региональную державу"туда,где ей,по мнению Вашингтона и место.Для Штатов РФ -враг,тк это единственное государство,которое способно уничтожить Америку не только как государство,но и как континент. Плюсуем к этому брошенный Путиным вызов матрассам заявлением,что мир более не будет однополярным как прежде.С этого заявления и начился новый передел мира и сфер влияния.
        2. excomandante
          excomandante 2 December 2015 00: 11 New
          +5
          У Старикова Н.В. на днях услышал - "европейские ценности не европейские, и не ценности, а просто список смертных грехов". Не дословно, конечно, но смысл точно такой.
          1. Down House
            Down House 4 December 2015 12: 53 New
            0
            Quote: excomandante
            "европейские ценности не европейские, и не ценности, а просто список смертных грехов".

            Brilliantly!
        3. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 3 December 2015 18: 27 New
          -3
          Quote: sabakina
          "Придёт антихрист

          Только вот один вопрос: Как воспринимать слово "Антихрист"? Ведь одно из значений слова "анти" - "следующий" или "напротив".
          Quote: sabakina
          "Придёт антихрист и кто его веру не примет-умрёт.
          There is no need to explain if the biblical texts came to quote, that only a sinner can die for his sins.
          Quote: sabakina
          and whoever does not accept His faith will die.

          Значит: "кто не примет веру Следующего Христа - умрёт".
          Так что этот момент, как раз и не подходит к существующим "двойным стандартам". Иисуса Христа никогда не интересовала политика и рабство Иудеи от Рима и Он никогда не призывал к сопротивлению или революции, к освобождению от чужого ига. Он призывал к спасению души. Без обид, но вы ходите по стандартным решениям, даже не задумываясь, что эти два предложения противоречат друг другу.
          1. a housewife
            a housewife 4 December 2015 01: 09 New
            +1
            Are antibodies the following bodies? Is antimatter the next matter? Engage in verbiage. And bible texts as a whole look! There is no next Christ there and could not be! Antichrist is one who is against Christ.
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      3. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 1 December 2015 18: 50 New
        +4
        A Viking descendant with critical days ... Europe!
      4. 1976AG
        1976AG 1 December 2015 18: 54 New
        +4
        There is no inadequacy. There is simply an installation to justify Turkey. Then everything is simple: Turkey is right, the rest is not. Well, there are no serious arguments in nature, that’s swimming.
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 3 December 2015 18: 31 New
          0
          Quote: 1976AG
          Turkey is right, the rest is not.

          It’s all your fault that I want OIL-DOLLAR.
      5. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 1 December 2015 19: 23 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Maybe he also has critical days?

        Rude you however, colleague. wassat
    3. cniza
      cniza 1 December 2015 18: 40 New
      +7
      Quote: avvg
      Double standard, this is the moral of the West.


      This is their essence, but they themselves will be ruined by this, and we need to do our job.
    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 1 December 2015 18: 46 New
      +8
      For another 30 or 40 years, politicians did not stoop to obvious fraud, double standards, and all kinds of forgeries. Now this is the norm, and because of this there are no literate people in politics, it seems that there are only half-educated people at all posts in the West, there was nobody, but he became NATO Secretary General, and I want to spit on him with glasses.
    5. Asadullah
      Asadullah 1 December 2015 18: 56 New
      +3
      Double standard, double morality is hypocrisy and a moral crisis in the West.


      What are you talking about! This is the rule of a hostel in the West. Morality, for the poor.
      1. bannik
        bannik 2 December 2015 02: 28 New
        +2
        Sarah, if I fucked someone - you and I fucked you!
        If someone fucked you - it fucked you and me!
        Do you understand these two big differences? (C)
        1. shasherin.pavel
          shasherin.pavel 3 December 2015 18: 37 New
          0
          If I was infected with AIDS - it infected you and me!
          If you were infected with AIDS, then you went ...
          Do you understand these three big differences? It all depends on whether I enjoyed it.
      2. Down House
        Down House 4 December 2015 12: 58 New
        +1
        Quote: Asadullah
        This is the rule of a hostel in the West. Morality, for the poor.

        Да европа вообще сплошная зона, с "толерантность" исключительно для чуханчиков laughing
        Но зато их паханы моментально забывают о "толерантности" когда им в очередной раз охота "подрезать" у какой-нибудь страны немножко нефти и территории!
    6. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 1 December 2015 19: 06 New
      0
      According to him, it is necessary to understand that “Turkey is in a special situation because of its close proximity to the epicenter of the conflict in Syria and Iraq,” and also because of the increased Russian presence in Syria.

      According to the Ukrainian example - a fence around Turkey, somewhere 10-12 km high!
      And no one will fly!
      1. 1976AG
        1976AG 1 December 2015 19: 20 New
        0
        According to the Ukrainian example - a fence around Turkey, somewhere 10-12 km high!
        And no one will fly!
        And fly out too.
    7. 79807420129
      79807420129 1 December 2015 19: 09 New
      +9
      That's how one wants to believe in the best, but this dunce has a clear split personality, says one thing and immediately refutes himself, they want to justify the Turks with all the hypocrites.
    8. Monos
      Monos 1 December 2015 19: 13 New
      +6
      Let me disagree with you. Lies, hypocrisy, double standards - this is the moral of the West.
    9. shooter18
      shooter18 1 December 2015 19: 15 New
      +2
      Everything is clear, NATO is a military alliance that was created against Russia ..
      1. shasherin.pavel
        shasherin.pavel 3 December 2015 18: 53 New
        -1
        Quote: shooter18
        NATO is a military alliance created against Russia

        NATO is the military alliance that bombed Iraq and is now gathering against the Isles. NATO is not - it will never fight against Russia, except for the few fools who can be confronted with Russia: Georgia, Ukraine, Turkey, which has already been pushed against Russia in the Russo-Turkish war. England itself was then defeated only during a landing near Petropavlovsk in Kamchatka. They climbed into the Crimean war being firmly convinced that the Russo-Turkish war undermined the Russian economy, but despite everything, the war in Crimea ended and Russia did not lose a meter of land or water area without paying indemnities. Only the Black Sea fleet lost. Smart analysts are sitting in NATO, and they will not allow substituting their European z..y for rods.
    10. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 1 December 2015 19: 19 New
      +4
      Such phrases need to be recorded in order to be presented at international tribunals and at the UN,
      хотя "они" опять скажут, что это было личное мнение генсека...
    11. Tor5
      Tor5 1 December 2015 19: 32 New
      +2
      Here is a simpleton fool, he didn’t even manage to get out, they kicked him rightly!
    12. Odysseus
      Odysseus 1 December 2015 20: 09 New
      +1
      Quote: avvg
      Double standard, double morality is hypocrisy and a moral crisis in the West.

      К сожалению,Вы ошибаетесь,причем фатально ошибаетесь.Нет никакого "кризиса морали Запада".Мораль Запада изначально,с момента формирования современной Западной буржуазной цивилизации,построена на двойных стандартах.
      В морали Запада изначально одни люди "избранные",а другие "отверженные",без этого Запад просто не смог бы существовать.
      Пока наши люди этого не поймут они так и будут уповать на некую "честность" Запада и раз за разом возмущаться его "двойным стандартам ".
    13. mamont5
      mamont5 1 December 2015 20: 13 New
      +1
      There are still honest journalists in the West who can poke Western bureaucrats with their faces in their own village ... about. In order not to answer such a tip, their rotten morality is visible all over the world.
    14. hly
      hly 1 December 2015 20: 33 New
      15
      So it is necessary ... and silence
      1. guzik007
        guzik007 2 December 2015 07: 19 New
        0
        Exactly. I have long suspected that this is exactly what decisions are being made in the Kremlin :-)
    15. DOMINO100
      DOMINO100 1 December 2015 22: 08 New
      -4
      Greece and Turkey are NATO Allies! He meant it! Violations also occurred from the side of Greece. After all, the Turks did not shoot down the Greeks' planes !!!
      1. Hitrovan07
        Hitrovan07 2 December 2015 07: 49 New
        0
        here there is information that will open your eyes:
        http://topwar.ru/87043-grecheskiy-premer-nazval-tureckih-letchikov-nervnymi.html

        gjv
        30 November 2015 14: 06
    16. passerby1
      passerby1 2 December 2015 04: 41 New
      +1
      What are the double standards, they simply do not hide in hiding and laugh in our faces, and if they begin to ask any questions they send them to hell. Watch the press conference by State Department spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau. They have an understanding that there will be no answer on our part, so they will continue to mock and support those who kill our military, and if all the barmaley do not succeed, they themselves will kill our military.
    17. OlegLex
      OlegLex 2 December 2015 12: 22 New
      +2
      double morality was laid by them even when the Christian church split in 1054, when the Catholics placed the Pope after God, he is a man, declared sinless ahead of time, Remember their indulgences when the pope granted forgiveness for money, because he already deprived of the need to restrain his sins and lusts . It is here that the root of their love of double standards. And precisely because of this, our oldest, original Orthodox Church, which the Catholics call orthodox (holding on to the foundations), dares not even declare anyone to be sinless, and that’s why we are so Orthodox or even those who absorbed the Russian spirit even being of another faith or faith, cannot understand this feature, so it’s never a moral crisis, it’s their way of life, their spirit, and that’s why almost every European power was noted in attempts to crush holy Russia
    18. pettabyte
      pettabyte 3 December 2015 14: 54 New
      0
      Double standard, double morality is hypocrisy and a moral crisis in the West.

      These are centuries-old traditions.
    19. HF
      HF 3 December 2015 19: 54 New
      0
      Yes, he just, ooh, eaten, goat face.
  2. RESEARCHER
    RESEARCHER 1 December 2015 18: 34 New
    +6
    Insolence has no limits.
    And cowardice too rolls over. I think that if the Turks try to drag it insolently. For example, if they try to sink our ships, then after preventive targeted nuclear strikes in the military infrastructure of NATO, they certainly will not intervene.
  3. Enot_33
    Enot_33 1 December 2015 18: 35 New
    0
    what's with his left hand?
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 1 December 2015 18: 38 New
      0
      5 times fell from the stairs
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    3. tlauicol
      tlauicol 1 December 2015 18: 39 New
      0
      before ..or probably
    4. Vend
      Vend 1 December 2015 18: 39 New
      +2
      Quote: Enot_33
      what's with his left hand?

      Can hair in the palm laughing
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    6. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 1 December 2015 18: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: Enot_33
      what's with his left hand?

      CIA employees taught him to speak at a press conference
    7. novobranets
      novobranets 1 December 2015 19: 13 New
      13
      Quote: Enot_33
      what's with his left hand?

      And what about his right?
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 1 December 2015 19: 55 New
        +5
        novobranets (xnumx)
        And what about his right hand?

        Dear novobranets (3)!
        You absolutely correctly noticed behind his hands!

        The fact is that this is an official non-verbal sign of solidarity of this person with the radical Islamists of the Islamic State. (This is like a secret sign among Masons.) This sign for radical Islamists and IS supporters tells them that no matter what Stoltenberg says in public, he actually stands on their side and is their defender. It turns out that in the minds of Stoltenberg, IG and Turkey are inseparable!
        I wonder what phrase Stoltenberg uttered while demonstrating this sign? If not in favor of the IG, then this sign tells the IGovts that Stoltenberg is simply manipulating the public in favor of the IG.
  4. gas113
    gas113 1 December 2015 18: 35 New
    +9
    Two-faced cattle the most accurate definition!
    1. SMikhalych
      SMikhalych 1 December 2015 19: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: gas113
      Two-faced cattle the most accurate definition!

      Rather, a two-faced anus bully
  5. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 1 December 2015 18: 37 New
    +6
    It’s not even funny anymore ... Something these Western ushlopki carry more and more nonsense and are struggling to pull the world to the Third World War. Do they really consider themselves immortal?
    1. Basarev
      Basarev 1 December 2015 19: 02 New
      0
      So the film comes true. Tomorrow never dies ...
  6. Hubun
    Hubun 1 December 2015 18: 38 New
    +1
    Well, how else is it, the only way. The most interesting thing is that all of them seem to be an indisputable truth, that the exceptional is allowed, the savages are not allowed
  7. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 1 December 2015 18: 38 New
    +5
    Janissaries of Erdogan are selected for the cruiser "Moscow"
    The balance of forces of the Turkish Navy and the Black Sea Fleet of Russia
    http://svpressa.ru/war21/article/137209/

    In principle, GDP is the first to speak correctly. If you bring down Turkey, then beat the KR aviation at airfields and ships in the roads. And do not stomp! 3 world, so 3 world, we will bring down the Turks.
  8. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 1 December 2015 18: 39 New
    20
    Mmm ... survived - even CNN presenters have actually accused NATO Secretary General of double standards policy laughing
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 1 December 2015 18: 45 New
      +1
      So what? And they will act against us and in their own interests.
  9. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 1 December 2015 18: 39 New
    +1
    to fill his face. judging by the plaster on his left hand, someone has already butted it recently
  10. Dimitrakis
    Dimitrakis 1 December 2015 18: 40 New
    +4
    All of them are duplicitous and corrupt.
  11. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 1 December 2015 18: 40 New
    +4
    so you die stoltenberg.
    1. DobryAAH
      DobryAAH 1 December 2015 19: 24 New
      +3
      They will find a new one. Better to get sick with syphilis. laughing And I agree, one enemy is the minus.
  12. viktor561
    viktor561 1 December 2015 18: 41 New
    +2
    Greece was already leaving NATO - Turks are aggressors by nature - this is their whole history proves - and Greece must be S-400 to not fly! Yes! and as there is annexed Turkey with Cyprus - everyone swallowed !!! Maybe it's time to help return the legitimate Greek territories!
  13. capitosha1rang
    capitosha1rang 1 December 2015 18: 42 New
    +1
    The same x-th, only a side view!
    Will he sing something if Greece turns to Russia for help in guarding the air borders? Beyond Greece - Cyprus ...
    1. Oprychnik
      Oprychnik 1 December 2015 18: 51 New
      +9
      "Что-то он запоёт, если Греция обратится к России за помощью в охране воздушных границ? За Грецией - Кипр..."
    2. PQ-18
      PQ-18 1 December 2015 19: 35 New
      +6
      Will he sing something if Greece turns to Russia for help in guarding the air borders? Beyond Greece - Cyprus ...

      FANTASYOR!
      на КАКОМ основании России "охранять воздушные границы Греции и Кипра" ??!
      Они в ЕС и НАТО, поддерживают санкции против нас,а мы за них "ради плезиру" "подписываться должны ? Если "приземлим" какой-нибудь ЛА,кто будет отвечать ? Киприоты и греки свой выбор сделали, и...идут они на Северный полюс !Им нужно только ПРОДАВАТЬ: нефть,газ,зерно,вооружение ...
      У греков ЕСТЬ наш С-300,только яйц НЕТ,чтобы турок "турнуть",ибо греки...те ещё европейские "прости-господи" нахлебники и халявщики!
      Or do you think that the operation and maintenance of air defense (VKS) in constant combat readiness is worth nothing ?!
  14. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 18: 43 New
    +2
    The international rule is one! Again otmazyvaniya his frostbitten satellite! It's time to call this gang for an account! They, like animals, understand only the language of power. But it’s useless to agree, donkeys!
    1. venaya
      venaya 1 December 2015 18: 57 New
      +3
      dchegrinec "The international rule is one!" - оно едино только для них самих: всё что не в их шкурных интересах - не законно, а законно лишь только то, что они сами скажут по своим гебельсовским каналам.
  15. horoh
    horoh 1 December 2015 18: 44 New
    +2
    Stoltenberg’s roof completely disappeared, or is he like that from birth ???
    1. opus
      opus 1 December 2015 19: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: horoh
      Stoltenberg’s roof completely disappeared, or is he like that from birth ???

      Stoltenberg (hereditary Norwegian politician) plays computer games (a fan of the online game Age of Empires, he has a nickname - Steklov).





      One of his sisters, TV presenter Nini, who died this year, became famous for the frequent scandals with her boyfriend, addiction to heroin and calls for legalizing drugs. Jens himself also somehow admitted that in his youth smoked marijuana.

      In fact, he is not a bad guy (compared to the past).
      In his youth, Stoltenberg adhered to leftist views: he sharply criticized the North Atlantic Alliance and was an active opponent of Norway's membership in NATO. As a student, Stoltenberg threw stones at the US Embassy in Oslo to protest the Vietnam War.

      Taxi driver sometimes even moonlighting
      Spor Haber Video Owner (http://www.youtube.com/) _


      They say in his youth he collaborated with the KGB (for peace of course)

      1. staryivoin
        staryivoin 1 December 2015 19: 14 New
        +1
        В греческих мифах Геракл в младенчестве змей задушил, а у этого "младеня" силенок не хватило, вот теперь сам мучается и Европу "мутит"
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 1 December 2015 19: 36 New
        +8
        Collaborate speak? what At the KGB? belay Надо посмотреть в архивах повнимательней...может быть его "фаберже" ещё лежат где нибудь в коробочке на полочке у нас...Нажимая на которые можно будет регулировать его тембр,с баритона на дребезжащий фальцет...А то ,что то он в последнее время разрезвился однако...
  16. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 18: 45 New
    +2
    What else could Stoltenberg do with his left hand ... in the evening he was worried and did calluses! wassat
  17. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 1 December 2015 18: 47 New
    +1
    Как говорил очень близкий по духу столтенбергу персонаж: "Понять, простить..."
  18. Stinger
    Stinger 1 December 2015 18: 50 New
    +1
    Situations are different, but they lie the same way. There are no double standards, only one - to deny the obvious.
  19. Afinogen
    Afinogen 1 December 2015 18: 51 New
    +1
    In place of the Greeks, one must be very indignant (concern will not work here). Indeed, in essence, with these words they were given to understand, serfs know their place and keep quiet. It is necessary to defiantly withdraw from NATO and the euro union (forgive the euro union debt laughing ) in protest.
  20. Maksus
    Maksus 1 December 2015 18: 52 New
    +1
    It looks like leadership positions in the EU, NATO and the states can only break through a complete oligophrenic, with a memory of three to five words. NATO Secretary General is not able to develop a clear line of conduct, and these freaks have so many weapons in their hands fool
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  22. da Vinci
    da Vinci 1 December 2015 18: 55 New
    +2
    All the same, this is an interesting European commonwealth: one NATO country has chopped off territories from another NATO country, they regularly violate airspace (no one noticed French planes in German airspace), but everything is in order !!! fellow
  23. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 1 December 2015 18: 55 New
    +4
    The Su-24M2 did not violate Turkish airspace, so the rest of Stoltenberg's verbiage does not make sense a priori
  24. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 1 December 2015 18: 56 New
    +2
    Is he even sober?
    1. staryivoin
      staryivoin 1 December 2015 19: 11 New
      +1
      Он "укушенный" западной "толерантностью".
  25. Million
    Million 1 December 2015 18: 56 New
    +4
    One of them has a standard-state one. They consider any of their actions and interests to be correct. The rest of the states should have a different
  26. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 1 December 2015 19: 01 New
    +2
    Border guards from the Russian Federation with shooting detained Ukrainians with grenade launchers
    http://lifenews.ru/news/172851
    Brothers dill, apparently, want to carry out terrorist attacks with us. Do not calm down.
  27. Ostost
    Ostost 1 December 2015 19: 02 New
    -26
    Taken from El-Murid, the results of the week-long confrontation between Turkey and Russia, the sect of all-mutters is not asleep:
    Conflict. One week later 1-Dec-2015 01:26 pm
    Despite the confidence in the voice, Russia is considering the possibility, if not overlap, then of creating real problems for Russian vessels passing through the Bosphorus. Already reported that there are certain difficulties in passing the strait, including for our military transport ships.

    It seems that Moscow understands that they are somewhat excited about the threats, and although Putin continues to shine menacingly, one or two floors lower, slowly all the hardening initiatives are being cut and cut. Minister Manturov said that Turkish light industry products will not be banned for import, Turkish builders are also not so scared: all contracts concluded before the end of December will be served by the Turks without restrictions, and sanctions will not be touched upon at the World Cup projects. In other positions, there is also a rollback, literally trifles left. It seems that only Turkish tomatoes were unlucky: here they have blamed all the sins and threaten them with terrible punishments. Tomatoes will pay for everything. Suddenly it turned out that they have herbicide pesticides and they do not correspond to anything at all. Until November - there were no questions for them, but then suddenly once - they appeared. In countless numbers.

    The situation with visas and tourism remains unclear - but so far not the season, this is generally irrelevant. And by May, you look, or all the tourists will already be sitting in the trenches, or everything will resolve.

    In general, a formidable swing, as is usually the case, ended in an indecent sound. In general, it’s good - we now only have to fight with Turkey for general vigor.

    The Turks had a more serious argument in the argument: the Bosphorus is not for you tomatoes. Without the Bosphorus, the supply issues of the group in Syria are completely transformed into hellish torments, at least pick up things right away. What the Kremlin leadership now cannot allow in any way.

    The only question is how they will get out of this situation.

    Непосредственной причиной, взбесившей турок настолько, что они были вынуждены идти на столь опасный шаг, как атака нашего самолета, стала не нефть, как пытается крайне неуклюже перевести тему Путин, а удары по прозападным боевикам, которых турки пестуют и лелеют. В принципе, если бы какой-нибудь залетный молодец сейчас бомбил бы позиции донбасских "отпускников", наши бы тоже не выдержали и уронили его самолет - здесь мотивы настолько прозрачны, что нет никакого смысла так откровенно врать, как это делает наше первое лицо.
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 1 December 2015 19: 18 New
      +1
      "Помидоры заплатят за всё. Вдруг оказалось, что в них пестициды-гербициды и они вообще ничему не соответствуют".
      They really do not correspond to anything - for those who buy imported vegetables, but they know the taste of those grown by themselves. Just information for the time being not disclosed.
      That’s a shame that the big Turkish business was not touched by sanctions.
      1. a housewife
        a housewife 3 December 2015 17: 26 New
        0
        What a turk to worry about! But contracts are a two-way thing, if the Turks are drastically removed from construction, for example, then the contractual penalty is paid to both them and the construction customers, since it is impossible to find a replacement for everyone in a couple of days. And the same with deliveries - our purchasers will suffer. Nothing, not all the carnival cat!
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    2. Rrrj
      Rrrj 1 December 2015 19: 26 New
      -4
      Quote: OstOst
      It seems that only Turkish tomatoes were unlucky: here they have blamed all the sins and threaten them with terrible punishments. Tomatoes will pay for everything.

      I agree - I said this on the first day.
    3. corporal
      corporal 1 December 2015 19: 26 New
      +3
      Well it is written:
      Quote: OstOst
      Taken from El Murida

      Why did they throw cons to the participant? For providing information?
      Да, поганенькая инфа, но ведь кто то это "производит".
    4. TOR2
      TOR2 1 December 2015 21: 30 New
      +2
      Quote: OstOst
      Minister Manturov said that Turkish light industry products will not be banned for import

      What is its market share? One has only to issue an order indicating the country of manufacture and there will be a further reduction. We will gladly refuse in favor of the country 404. Let them drive there.
      Quote: OstOst
      Already reported that there are certain difficulties in passing the strait,

      To create problems in the passage of other vessels (not Russian) will not constitute a strong problem. Well, a tanker with oil will be blown up in a mine from the Second World War, with whom it does not happen. Ship and cargo insurance will skyrocket to space. And then shipping will be just gold.
    5. 17085
      17085 2 December 2015 01: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: OstOst
      Непосредственной причиной, взбесившей турок настолько, что они были вынуждены идти на столь опасный шаг, как атака нашего самолета, стала не нефть, как пытается крайне неуклюже перевести тему Путин, а удары по прозападным боевикам, которых турки пестуют и лелеют. В принципе, если бы какой-нибудь залетный молодец сейчас бомбил бы позиции донбасских "отпускников", наши бы тоже не выдержали и уронили его самолет - здесь мотивы настолько прозрачны, что нет никакого смысла так откровенно врать, как это делает наше первое лицо.


      Откровенная глупость... Эдоргану и его клану мочиться с высокой колокольни на "прозападных боевиков"... Материал это расходной, "бюджетированный" и чем меньше живет, тем безопасней для хозяина, а вот потеря денежек рассудок замутила. В отличии от наших власть придержащих с горяча только мюридка слабоумная может рубить, а нам своих нужно вывезти.
    6. Karayakupovo
      Karayakupovo 2 December 2015 06: 40 New
      +2
      Турки в 1993 году пытались не пустить в Босфор РК "Слава" (сейчас "Москва") и выставили у входа 3 корабля. На малых оборотах тяжело держатся на сильном течение командир дал команду расчехлить главный калибр. На 15 секунде турецких кораблей уже не было. В 2008 году Ющенко не хотел пускать в Севастополь наш корабль, который до этого потопил два грузинских ракетных катера и выставили на фарватере ракетный катер. Наши начали расчехливать орудия. Украинский катер не смог завестись и его еле успели утащить свои-же на буксире.
  28. APASUS
    APASUS 1 December 2015 19: 02 New
    +4
    It’s time for our Zhirik to be released on the world stage, he will be interviewed a couple of times and asked for adequate comments themselves.
    The couple already beat them with their own weapons fellow laughing belay
  29. Ostost
    Ostost 1 December 2015 19: 03 New
    -30
    Continued:
    Spit on the Turks miserable five to ten oil tanks, which are smuggled across the border. They have already earned so much in this war that they can finance at least fifty thousand militants without problems: from the territory of Syria, the Syrian enterprises and equipment were transported all over the direction of Turkey, almost for nothing they took the crops that the Syrian peasants had nowhere to sell - in general, familiar picture from the Donbass. Ours, too, do not render assistance to miners sitting on sofas for free. Every white KamAZ has already paid off thirty times with the export of various useful pieces that are transported to the mainland by everyone involved in the events. So the motives of the Turks are understandable for someone, but for us, but the plane was shot down, so you need to express your indignation loudly.

    Everything is now connected with the unpredictability of our first person. It can rest and continue the conflict already at the personal level - this is the main obscure point in the current situation. In principle, Syria’s division is underway, and the working moments of the two predators - Russia and Turkey - could also be found out in the working order, without loud screams and beating utensils. Of course, we are competitors in the Syrian war, but not so much as to turn each other into lifeless spaces.

    However, the problem is that after the Crimea, the chain of failures and defeats of Russia stretches continuously. No matter how hard the TV tries, this is impossible to hide. Therefore, it is necessary to conflict with an anguish, supporting the brutal image that housewives like so much.

    Nevertheless, it is curious that the Ministry of Defense suddenly ceased to publish its victorious reports. The latter was 4 days ago, RIA Novosti also stopped publishing reports on air strikes. The latest report concerns November 26th. This means that the rhetoric of the first person is for the population, but the rest are well aware of what caused the conflict with Turkey, and are urgently trying to rectify the situation.
    1. Rrrj
      Rrrj 1 December 2015 19: 29 New
      +3
      Quote: OstOst
      Ours, too, do not render assistance to miners sitting on sofas for free. Every white KamAZ has already paid off thirty times with the export of various useful pieces that are transported to the mainland by everyone involved in the events.

      This is nonsense - so what was taken out - can you say? A ton of manure?
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 1 December 2015 19: 52 New
      +3
      Quote: OstOst
      Ours, too, do not render assistance to miners sitting on sofas for free. Each white KamAZ has paid off thirty times with the export of various useful pieces,

      There has been an economic recession in the country for 20 years, some serious niches except for grain production in the world are not occupied by Ukraine, and what is it that our Kamazes under the cover of night are all exporting and exporting, and they still cannot export it ???
      Quote: OstOst
      Everything is connected with the unpredictability of our first person.

      Yes, it’s time for your face to treat the liver, and sometimes it presses on the brain sometimes !!!
      Quote: OstOst
      However, it is curious that the Ministry of Defense suddenly ceased to publish its winning reports.

      Go to the Censor there, winning reports are published every half hour!
    3. opus
      opus 1 December 2015 20: 01 New
      +5
      Quote: OstOst
      Spit on the Turks miserable five to ten oil tanks,

      1.According to estimates (Israeli The Globes), ISIS sells about 40 barrels of oil every day, thus earning from 750 thousand to 1,5 million dollars a day.
      Not a fig
      Quote: OstOst
      miserable


      oil barrel = 42 gallons or 158,988 liters

      where oil is extracted: one field is located in the city of Dir a-Zur in eastern Syria, two more - in Iraq. And it is transported through the Kurdish city of Zahu in Iraq near the Turkish and Syrian borders.
      According to Al-Araby al-Jadeed, oil at this stage you can buy at 15-18 dollars per barrel, while world exchanges trade marks WTI and Brent Crude at 41-45 dollars per barrel

      Fruehauf - Heavy oil inox 31 m3, let it be 25m3 = 25000ltr (it’s still hot, the roads are not the same, etc.)
      Quote: OstOst
      Quote

      5-10 цистерн =(5-10) *25000=125000-250000лтр=786-1572 бареля= $12680-23560

      SOMETHING DOESN'T MATCH YOU


      2. In August 2015, the Financial Times reported that about 75% of Israel’s oil recently получил из иракского Курдистана, причем свыше трети этого импорта поступило из порта Джейхан, по определению FT "шлюз для ИГИЛ-контрабандного сырья".
      Так "копеечка", а там и трубопровод есть
      Quote: OstOst
      Every white KamAZ has already paid off thirty times with export

      Можно фотку,ну хотя бы как "буки ВС РФ",ведь можете,делали.
      What is difficult for you?
      (Там правда въезд-выезд под контролем таможни Укарины и ОБСЕ на КПП "Донецк" и "Матвеев Курган")
      Yes, and cameras on-line:

      Quote: OstOst
      However, the problem is that after the Crimea, the chain of failures and defeats of Russia stretches continuously

      какие "поражения"?
      1. opus
        opus 1 December 2015 20: 05 New
        +1
        Quote: OstOst
        Nevertheless, it is curious that the Ministry of Defense suddenly ceased to publish its victorious reports. Last was 4 days ago

        ?
        Sorry, but earlier the interval (if there is nothing extra) was 3-4 (or 5) days.



        What's wrong?
      2. Odysseus
        Odysseus 1 December 2015 20: 26 New
        +3
        Quote: opus
        SOMETHING DOESN'T MATCH YOU

        Yes, it is not OstOst who writes, but El Murid. He simply quotes it, so you are discussing with emptiness.
        1. opus
          opus 1 December 2015 21: 03 New
          +1
          Quote: Odyssey
          Yes, it’s not OstOst who writes, but El Murid. He simply quotes it, so

          Well, if he quotes it, then Andryusha Ost-ost has a BRAIN (or MOSC), so he supports it.
          Well, I answered Andryukha, let him check with El Murid.
          I don’t know (and don’t read) el_murid or his wife ani_al
          Just read:





          I liked (just what I read) one opus (opusI liked the opus belay ) about him
          1. Odysseus
            Odysseus 1 December 2015 21: 38 New
            0
            Quote: opus
            I don’t know (and don’t read) el_murid or his wife ani_al

            Well, well, this is a well-known specialist in narrow circles, a specialist in throwing Mr. on a fan. A master of half-truths of contradictions and distortions.
            He specializes in criticizing the Russian authorities while not offering her any alternative (socialist, nationalist, or otherwise).
            Since he terribly scolds Putin, supporters of Maidan Ukraine love him very much despite the fact that he offers to hang the Kiev junta on the lights of Khreshchatyk.
            Что касается "Ост-ост",то он по-видимому "прикрылся авторитетом" el_muridа.
            1. opus
              opus 1 December 2015 23: 08 New
              +1
              Quote: Odyssey
              specialist in throwing a fan onto a fan

              maybe he himself is ... Mr.? .... PEDIGREE (let's say so)?
    4. Sanmak
      Sanmak 1 December 2015 21: 15 New
      +1
      OstOst UA Today, 19:03 New

      And you, a fascist citizen, under this blue-yellow rag, you don’t need to be clever here and throw in the misinformation from the grandmas at the entrance !!! What were our KAMAZs able to take out if your Bandera-Fascist masters had already sold everything that they could not take, destroyed !!! ???

      I think, in your opinion: every Bandero fascist mattress pad is always more informed; all of you know and calculate the situation 5 steps forward than what Putin and the General Staff of the Russian Federation are there ???
      Judging by the situation in your zoo, how you famously end up in boilers and continue to gallop, all the same it would be better to keep silent and not clever !!! And stupidly gloating over the difficulties and losses of Russia-it is always inherent in you, but then you will still turn out more than !!!
    5. hrapon
      hrapon 1 December 2015 21: 27 New
      +2
      Quote: OstOst
      Continued:


      Everything is now connected with the unpredictability of our first person. It can rest and continue the conflict already at the personal level - this is the main obscure point in the current situation. In principle, Syria’s division is underway, and the working moments of the two predators - Russia and Turkey - could also be found out in the working order, without loud screams and beating utensils. Of course, we are competitors in the Syrian war, but not so much as to turn each other into lifeless spaces.

      .


      А вот это любопытно. Как это сопрягается с "патриотической" позицией А. Несмияна. Эль Мюрид - это его псевдоним. В переводе с арабского - ученик, но не просто ученик, а тот, который является духовным последователем и продолжателем дела Учителя.

      Господин Несмиян, видимо, подобрал этот псевдоним у американского автора фентези Глена Кука. Не знаю, признавался ли в этом сам Несмеян, но для меня очевидно, что это так. В рассказах Г.Кука "Огонь в его ладонях" и "Без пощады" помимо героя Эль Мюрида фигурирует и Хаммад аль Накир (Hammad al Nakir). Именно так в ЖЖ Несмияна (El Murid) называлось сообщество единомышленников.

      Вот кстати пара цитат из Г.Кука "Без пощады", где описывается путь Эль Мюрида :

      "О том, что было раньше…

      He emerged from the desert melted by the sun after an incredibly long time after his family died at the hands of bandits. His name was Mika al Rami, but now, seeing the sacred calling in himself, he began to call himself El Murid or - the Apprentice. He appeared in a turbulent time, at a time when despair took possession of people and everyone yearned for change. И хотя Ученик был всего лишь мальчиком, от его проповедей запылала половина королевства...."

      "Эль Мюрид объявил беспощадную войну силам тьмы, и в этой войне его правой рукой стал Нассеф, или Бич Божий. Хотя Нассеф и был братом жены Ученика, но Эль Мюрид ему до конца никогда не доверял...."https://www.litmir.co/br/?b=61721 И Стрелкову место нашлось. Знал бы он с кем связался.

      I do not want to become a psychoanalyst, but megalomania is visible.

      By the way, Hammad al-Nakir translated from Arabic is the Desert of Death or the Desert of Abomination.


      Draw your own conclusions. For me, attempts at messaging are obvious.
  30. FiremamRescueS
    FiremamRescueS 1 December 2015 19: 03 New
    0
    Tin .... I in childhood and even more otmazyvatsya otmazyvatsya if mowed. They finally fell into childhood there ?!
  31. Siga77
    Siga77 1 December 2015 19: 03 New
    +2
    Russia and the rest of the adequate world are dealing with a totalitarian destructive sect of a global scale in the person of the obsessed with the consumption of the West: its financial and political elite and other extreme creeping. Stoltenberg, as an example of exalted lies, has nothing to say about giblets - alcoholics always lie. It is no accident that all this sectarian management came to us from America precisely ...
  32. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 1 December 2015 19: 06 New
    +1
    It would be necessary to halt GDP in an interview about the hypocrisy and duplicity of NATO (read - the West) lol Like to make it clear that we hear everything perfectly and draw conclusions soldier And then you can also begin to speak like that - with one one, with another another ... Oh, then they will howl about different rights and obligations winked
    This is my personal opinion ... And to be honest, all this verbiage is only the result of political (yes what can I say - even moral) impotence hi
  33. lazma3
    lazma3 1 December 2015 19: 07 New
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    He is not a dog but a jackal of war.
  34. staryivoin
    staryivoin 1 December 2015 19: 09 New
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    И эта очковая змея из-за трибуны "как обычно" пытается укусить Россию? А зубы у "змеика" не сгнили со возрастом?
    А что при этом этот "Столтенберг" лично сделал для борьбы с терроризмом в Гейропе???
    ... And after all, we will not wait for an answer ...
  35. Million
    Million 1 December 2015 19: 09 New
    -1
    Quote: OstOst

    Nevertheless, it is curious that the Ministry of Defense suddenly ceased to publish its victorious reports. The latter was 4 days ago, RIA Novosti also stopped publishing reports on air strikes. The latest report concerns November 26th. This means that the rhetoric of the first person is for the population, but the rest are well aware of what caused the conflict with Turkey, and urgently try to rectify the situation. [/ B]

    Indeed, the news about the actions in Syria is silent
  36. Denimax
    Denimax 1 December 2015 19: 09 New
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    So Greece can slowly troll. And Stoltenberg himself would have reacted if the neighbor were crap under the door and: - Well, such a situation.
  37. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 1 December 2015 19: 10 New
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    CNN presenter Hala Gorani in an interview with NATO Secretary General Stoltenberg suggested that he adheres to double standards in a situation with violation of the air borders of Turkey and Greece, reports RIA Novosti.

    I hope a pretty girl, since she asks such clever questions.
    Either colleagues, it seems to me, or it really is, but something is changing in the rhetoric of the Western media. winked
  38. bad
    bad 1 December 2015 19: 18 New
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    At first, Stoltenberg answered in the negative, then again “moved out” to the peculiarity of the situation, which “must be understood”.
    любимая "тактика" нато-съехать,или перевести стрелки..или выразить озабоченность..
  39. Svetoch
    Svetoch 1 December 2015 19: 22 New
    +1
    "Not. We emphasize the importance of observing the air borders of any nation, ”the Secretary General replied.
    And at the same time, he again says that Turkey is special, you need to understand and forgive. This is called Double Standards. and don’t hu ... th here pi ... s..d..e..t forgive those for my French.
    For your information:
    Double standard or double morality is a critical term for designating in practice widespread (but officially denied) discriminatory approaches to assessing the actions and rights of population groups, countries, races. Double standards are characterized by different application of principles, laws, rules, assessments to the same actions of various entities (one of which may be the evaluator himself), depending on the degree of loyalty of these entities or other considerations of benefit for the evaluator.

    And for finishing
    The policy of double standards is usually called a situation in which the assessment of the same phenomenon, process or event taking place in international relations depends on the nature of the relations of the evaluating parties with the objects of evaluation. With the same essential content, the actions of some countries receive support and justification, while others are condemned and punished.

    Which of these does not correspond with the words of Mr. Stoltenberg? hi
  40. regul002
    regul002 1 December 2015 19: 26 New
    +1
    Now NATO has its own psak.
  41. Fucknato
    Fucknato 1 December 2015 19: 27 New
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    The moral is in the west, and you are funny.
  42. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 1 December 2015 19: 29 New
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    Ours do not sit still But the Turkish Air Force has not yet heard that the last 3 days have flown
  43. parafoiler
    parafoiler 1 December 2015 19: 31 New
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    Vladimir, do not entertain yourself with illusions ...
  44. Mowgli
    Mowgli 1 December 2015 19: 31 New
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    At first, Stoltenberg answered in the negative, but then again “moved out”


    И всё, и не надо продолжения. "Съехал" Максим - да и х@й с ним.
  45. kiparis
    kiparis 1 December 2015 19: 34 New
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    Psakism is all of them! Press secretaries come and go, but the psaki remain!
  46. aiden
    aiden 1 December 2015 19: 41 New
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    Shoot nah
  47. vobels
    vobels 1 December 2015 19: 43 New
    +1
    "..когда же речь зашла о Греции, которая обвинила турецкие ВВС в регулярном нарушении её воздушных границ, он начал утверждать, что здесь налицо совсем иная ситуация..." Надо отбомбить часть турецкой территории, сопредельной с Сирией, для зачистки от боевиков и объяснить это "совсем другой ситуацией".
  48. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 1 December 2015 19: 59 New
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    If a person is at this age AND * IOT, then this is not curable!
  49. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 1 December 2015 20: 19 New
    +2
    Yes to wet their bitches in the sky of Syria like mad dogs! And the planes of the USA, and Germany, and Turkey, and Great Britain are all impostors, their mother’s children! How much you can endure, it should not be ...
  50. Ostost
    Ostost 1 December 2015 20: 20 New
    -6
    Quote: APASUS
    Quote: OstOst
    Ours, too, do not render assistance to miners sitting on sofas for free. Each white KamAZ has paid off thirty times with the export of various useful pieces,

    There has been an economic recession in the country for 20 years, some serious niches except for grain production in the world are not occupied by Ukraine, and what is it that our Kamazes under the cover of night are all exporting and exporting, and they still cannot export it ???
    Quote: OstOst
    Everything is connected with the unpredictability of our first person.

    Yes, it’s time for your face to treat the liver, and sometimes it presses on the brain sometimes !!!
    Quote: OstOst
    However, it is curious that the Ministry of Defense suddenly ceased to publish its winning reports.

    Go to the Censor there, winning reports are published every half hour!

    Please read carefully, this is not my text, but a copy of the post of the famous blogger El-Murid.
    1. GRIG
      GRIG 2 December 2015 00: 02 New
      +6
      Quote: OstOst
      Please read carefully, this is not my text, but a copy of the post of the famous blogger El-Murid.

      The text does not pass you by, but because you posted it here, and for the goals that you pursued. You didn’t just post it?
      Но здесь не "цензор", адепты которого сейчас, в связи с его закрытием на территории России, расползаются по разным российским форумам.

      You are also mined for complete idiocy. I will explain.
      Only the Ukrainian propagandist ALWAYS considers those whom he wants to hang noodles to be idiots.
      Только украинский -пропагандист всегда возбуждается от "обличительных" статей из русской блогосферы, даже не удосужившись проверить инфу, а так же личность автора.

      I understand that always attracts to shit, this is normal.
      I understand that a massive blackout in your country for the sake of unverified propaganda is the norm, the consequences of which you slur for more than a decade. It is slurping, and not dissolving, that you do not know how.

      Потому, в другой раз не стоит тут постить пропагандистские посты, тем более не Ваши, а копии... Лаврова лучше копируйте о "деби... бл..."
      И помните, укропринцип "а нас то за что" тут не работает.