American experts are developing a simulator program for the training of military doctors

A computer simulator is being developed at the University of California to train military field doctors, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the resource APS Physics.

“A computer simulator simulates various injuries and bleeding that occurs, both internal and external. At the same time, the program takes into account the specifics of bleeding. So the arterial and venous will look completely different. Accordingly, future military doctors will be able to understand on the computer screen what kind of help should be provided in certain cases, ”the portal writes.

According to the publication, to date, "experts have modeled only one type of injury - a ballistic through wound to the leg in the calf area without hitting the bones, the program simulates arterial and venous bleeding, both internal and external."

Work on the program continues, further models of other types of damage will be created.

Today, future doctors are studying various types of injuries mostly in animals. However, this practice does not give a complete picture of the damage, and “military doctors have to improve themselves in the field, dealing with real wounded soldiers,” the resource notes.

The developers of the simulator believe that their program will play an important role in the understanding by students of the development of the bleeding process in various types of injuries.

Comments

[Grabberxnumx]

A question for connoisseurs like "How are they doing there?"
We definitely have Military Medical Universities of the corresponding profile Field Surgery, but how is it in the West? Are they preparing from general civilian doctors or what?

[MIKHAN]

Russia has vast experience in field surgery ... Books, dissertations, doctoral! And most importantly, real doctors, surgeons who have passed the "hot spots" .. You can’t replace these with any computer simulations! The experience is enormous. In real life, everything is much worse and you just need to get used to it and save the guys clearly and without emotion (time goes on making decisions ..) No pain, no blood and sounds .. ONLY THE GOAL TO SAVE LIFE! God bless them! And may God share their experience with young people in real life ...

[Ivan Slavyanin]

AHAHAHAHAHA! Now it’s clear why the Americans are pretending to be a war against Daesh - they’ve done everything on the simulators: doctors, tankers, marines, drove men and even the rulers themselves!

[theadenter]

Simulators are a very important thing. Americans, in this regard, it is very difficult to call stupid.
There is no talk of gaining experience - it is important to consolidate theoretical knowledge in virtual practice.

[Pimply]

Quote: MIKHAN

Russia has vast experience in field surgery ... Books, dissertations, doctoral! And most importantly, real doctors, surgeons who have passed the "hot spots" .. You can’t replace these with any computer simulations! The experience is enormous. In real life, everything is much worse and you just need to get used to it and save the guys clearly and without emotion (time goes on making decisions ..) No pain, no blood and sounds .. ONLY THE GOAL TO SAVE LIFE! God bless them! And may God share their experience with young people in real life ...

Oh, damn it, hackism again.

[SibSlavRus]

From the Bosnian experience in communication, I can say that the principle of manning is no better than ours, and our medical officers. They have paramedics (the US term) - medical specialists with both a higher (doctor, doctor) and secondary (paramedic, nurse or nurse) medical education, who works in the emergency medical service, emergency rescue and military units and has rendering skills emergency medical care at the prehospital stage.
The only positive thing (as of the middle of the 1990's) was the equipment.

[Grabberxnumx]

Thank you all for the clarification.

[Pimply]

Quote: SibSlavRus

From the Bosnian experience in communication, I can say that the principle of manning is no better than ours, and our medical officers. They have paramedics (the US term) - medical specialists with both a higher (doctor, doctor) and secondary (paramedic, nurse or nurse) medical education, working in the emergency medical service, emergency rescue and military units and possessing skills of emergency medical care at the prehospital stage.
The only positive thing (as of the middle of the 1990's) was the equipment.

A modern analysis of combat wounds shows that the main task of a physician and / or doctor on the battlefield is to stabilize the patient as quickly as possible, during the so-called the "golden" hour to deliver the patient to the equipped hospital, since it is in the hospital that it is possible to quickly and efficiently help the patient. It is for this that specialists are needed, which are primarily oriented to prehospital emergency care.

[Russiamoy]

sometimes it seems to me, they don’t know how to cut money. all this is complete nonsense, moreover, the amount of this "project" is not indicated (most likely a tidy seven-digit as usual). it would be better if the soldiers were equipped with a modern personal first-aid kit in the likeness of Israeli or NATO. experience of military operations shows that a soldier often dies from loss of blood or pain shock, and we have stitches with this kind of medicine.

[Mykl]

They have almost the same. Recruits from among medical students, after passing something like KMB, are sent to retrain. Doctors from among practicing specialists are also recruited and retrained.

[Tor5]

We have in the VMA them. Kirov, in St. Petersburg.

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Grabber2000

A question for connoisseurs like "How are they doing there?"
We definitely have Military Medical Universities of the corresponding profile Field Surgery, but how is it in the West? Are they preparing from general civilian doctors or what?

I will answer you, it was for life. A man, an army regiment in life, said - the Vishnevsky Academy - would be slaughtered correctly. He lay down under the knife, lay for a month with his right knee, returned and did not bother anymore. He’s also making fun of it - but you can’t do it on the left.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

The military departments at the Russian medical institutes could not be reduced, but they still reduced ...

[sober]

What is it like? When is the bullet at the end? THOSE. SHE ALMOST Fallen AND REDUCED THE SOLDIER ???

[SibSlavRus]

In principle, a bullet is dangerous throughout the flight path.
At the end - residual penetrating power - the energy needed to penetrate the wounds of different parts of the body.
In this case, the bullet can even be seen from the wound.

As a vivid example, I can propose to look at YouTube "RUSSIAN terminator ... A BULL STILL IN THE HEAD OF A FIGHTER ..."

In war zones and not so occurs.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: SibSlavRus

THE BULLET JAMMED IN THE HEAD OF A FIGHTER ... "

Judging by the photograph, the skull did not pierce, but only the skin. It’s good that I didn’t get into the eye. In general, by the helmets, there must be thick glasses for protection.

[MIKHAN]

Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

Quote: SibSlavRus

THE BULLET JAMMED IN THE HEAD OF A FIGHTER ... "

Judging by the photograph, the skull did not pierce, but only the skin. It’s good that I didn’t get into the eye. In general, by the helmets, there must be thick glasses for protection.

Our glasses and helmets are not worn ... Not accepted! They interfere ... Here is this old video (+18) Even smiles ... Of course, the guy was lucky!

[moskowit]

Well then, good! if the program really helps in training military doctors, then this is only to the benefit of everyone. And first of all, wounded soldiers!

[SibSlavRus]

It is not the computer program that makes these seasoned field surgeons, but "field practical exercises"!
For example, an unexploded shot of VOG-25 from the body of a wounded man, having carried out an operation in body armor and in a foundation pit.
And this is not yet the height of perfection for ours!

[NDR-791]

I have a classmate enrolled in honey. right after school. And somewhere in the second or third year, he told me that they were taught on such a program to diagnose any signs. I was still kidding - you’ll put it wrong, the computer writes - “The patient died” So it was in 90 or 91 year. The comp was then either our "Spark" or pentyuh first. The program, of course, is a simple basic-type algorithm such as "if - then ...". So it was 25let ago. What progress has come in the states, go nuts !!! But here we have really reached since then - the military hospital was closed, and everyone who could and was able to ask in Novosibirsk, and who could not give them bye-bye !!! And who will teach?

[Pimply]

Quote: SibSlavRus

It is not the computer program that makes these seasoned field surgeons, but "field practical exercises"!
For example, an unexploded shot of VOG-25 from the body of a wounded man, having carried out an operation in body armor and in a foundation pit.
And this is not yet the height of perfection for ours!

Do you think it’s easy to become a seasoned field surgeon without proper preparation? Or each time to wait for an unexploded shot from VOG-25? In order for the surgeon to become hardened, in addition to living patients, he must have simulators, and exams, and other-other-other. So that these same patients should not be cut like pigs in vain

[bad]

simulators are certainly a good thing..but I personally know many examples when OUR military doctors in tents and not in equipped operating rooms collected our guys almost by "spare parts" saved their lives, and to the families of sons and fathers .. LOW IMPORTANT FOR THIS!

[Pimply]

Quote: bad

simulators are certainly a good thing..but I personally know many examples when OUR military doctors in tents and not in equipped operating rooms collected our guys almost by "spare parts" saved their lives, and to the families of sons and fathers .. LOW IMPORTANT FOR THIS!

The question is, what does this have to do with the topic of the article?

[Shadowcat]

And yet, comrade SibSlavRus is right.

[dchegrinec]

No computer can replace practical exercises. And you can watch pictures on the monitor and books. The whole problem often comes down to psychological trauma at the place of work. And you can’t train it on the computer.

[Pimply]

Quote: dchegrinec

No computer can replace practical exercises. And you can watch pictures on the monitor and books. The whole problem often comes down to psychological trauma at the place of work. And you can’t train it on the computer.

Put a minus. Because the computer facilitates these very practical exercises and makes them more effective

[slaw14]

In military field conditions, this program will only have to be simulated

[Oznob]

That one hell is a good thing. We are waiting on torrents)))

[MIKHAN]

Eternal memory to the medical doctors ... Thank you!

[Maksus]

They have a hospital in Bethesda, Maryland. Based on it, there is an American analogue of my VMEDA. Only they have a different teaching principle, rather similar to our military medical faculties - the first four years as a civilian student, then specializing in military and industrial training and military training, then the troops and everything like ours. In terms of equipment, they are ahead of us for many years. This is evidenced even by the fact that all modern medical literature is a translation of American and European literature.

[Olegmog]

Once a year, I take first-aid training courses at work!
Electronic mannequin that did wrong, but dies. Start on a new one.
No matter how anyone giggles, doesn’t take it high, they say why
these kids games! But without this in any way! When it really smells
at least some skills remain, even let them use an electronic stimulator!

[NDR-791]

So I am about the same. NAS has long had such equipment. And to present-bring that "American experts are developing a simulator program for training military doctors" - an empty ringing and, most importantly, stupid propaganda about the fact that "I don’t clean a brick behind a mound!" We already knew all this, we remember and explain to the children.

[Maksus]

Yes, we do not have SUCH equipment. There are mannequins for practicing first aid - indirect heart massage, mouth-to-mouth breathing, nose-to-mouth breathing. But there are no simulators, literate, for training precisely action algorithms. There are tests, but they are not visual, they themselves must understand. Moreover, how often does the intern have to meet with arterial bleeding in practice? The correct answer is not too often. Not all hospitals even have a vascular surgeon. So is a useful program. Save a bunch of nerves and teach patients feet)

[Belousov]

Alas, after the deeds of Taburetkin (whom some authors have already christened here as a great martyr who did not spare his stomach for the sake of dusting the brains of potential opponents), our military medicine has not yet come to its senses.
God grant that the guys have less work, but you should always be ready.

[Gunther]

theadenter Quote:
Simulators are a very important thing. Americans, in this regard, it is very difficult to call stupid.

I agree, this is a computer simulator for training field doctors, the necessary thing, the benefits are obvious, but only on the basis of classical medical education.
When training pilots, aviation (flight) simulators have long been used, this solves many problems, but does not replace practice.

[Saratoga833]

The simulator is a good thing. He will not replace practice, but without it it is very, very bad.
When you meet a real wounded man, all these simulators are remembered very quickly and you make much less mistakes. Convinced on myself. For 40 years of practical work as a surgeon, 20 of them as a military surgeon. Medical simulators are needed. In any army in the world.

[Barsukvad]

It is a pity, but at the moment only one university in Russia graduates from military doctors - VMedA named after S.M. Kirov, in whom I have the honor to serve.
Such works are important for the training of cadets, but they are only part of the general preparation. Naturally, only practice will make it possible to turn a general doctor into a military doctor, ready to work in the conditions of ongoing hostilities.