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American experts are developing a simulator program for the training of military doctors

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A computer simulator is being developed at the University of California to train military field doctors, reports Rossiyskaya Gazeta with reference to the resource APS Physics.


American experts are developing a simulator program for the training of military doctors


“A computer simulator simulates various injuries and bleeding that occurs, both internal and external. At the same time, the program takes into account the specifics of bleeding. So the arterial and venous will look completely different. Accordingly, future military doctors will be able to understand on the computer screen what kind of help should be provided in certain cases, ”the portal writes.

According to the publication, to date, "experts have modeled only one type of injury - a ballistic through wound to the leg in the calf area without hitting the bones, the program simulates arterial and venous bleeding, both internal and external."

Work on the program continues, further models of other types of damage will be created.

Today, future doctors are studying various types of injuries mostly in animals. However, this practice does not give a complete picture of the damage, and “military doctors have to improve themselves in the field, dealing with real wounded soldiers,” the resource notes.

The developers of the simulator believe that their program will play an important role in the understanding by students of the development of the bleeding process in various types of injuries.

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  1. Grabberxnumx
    Grabberxnumx 1 December 2015 15: 35
    +1
    A question for connoisseurs like "How are they doing there?"
    We definitely have Military Medical Universities of the corresponding profile Field Surgery, but how is it in the West? Are they preparing from general civilian doctors or what?
    1. Vitaly Anisimov
      Vitaly Anisimov 1 December 2015 15: 46
      +9
      Russia has a huge experience in military field surgery ... Books, dissertations, doctoral dissertations! And most importantly, real doctors, surgeons who have passed "hot spots" .. You cannot replace these with any computer simulators! The experience is enormous In real life, everything is much worse and you just need to get used to it and save the guys clearly and without emotion (time goes by minutes making a decision ..) No pain, no blood and sounds .. THE ONLY PURPOSE IS TO SAVE LIFE! God bless them! And may share their experience with young people in real life ...
      1. Ivan Slavyanin
        Ivan Slavyanin 1 December 2015 16: 19
        0
        AHAHAHAHAHA! Now it’s clear why the Americans are pretending to be a war against Daesh - they’ve done everything on the simulators: doctors, tankers, marines, drove men and even the rulers themselves!
        1. theadenter
          theadenter 1 December 2015 16: 31
          +5
          Simulators are a very important thing. Americans, in this regard, it is very difficult to call stupid.
          There is no talk of gaining experience - it is important to consolidate theoretical knowledge in virtual practice.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 1 December 2015 17: 09
        -3
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Russia has a huge experience in military field surgery ... Books, dissertations, doctoral dissertations! And most importantly, real doctors, surgeons who have passed "hot spots" .. You cannot replace these with any computer simulators! The experience is enormous In real life, everything is much worse and you just need to get used to it and save the guys clearly and without emotion (time goes by minutes making a decision ..) No pain, no blood and sounds .. THE ONLY PURPOSE IS TO SAVE LIFE! God bless them! And may share their experience with young people in real life ...

        Oh, damn it, hackism again.
    2. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 1 December 2015 15: 50
      +2
      From the Bosnian experience in communication, I can say that the principle of manning is no better than ours, and our medical officers. They have paramedics (the US term) - medical specialists with both a higher (doctor, doctor) and secondary (paramedic, nurse or nurse) medical education, who works in the emergency medical service, emergency rescue and military units and has rendering skills emergency medical care at the prehospital stage.
      The only positive thing (as of the middle of the 1990's) was the equipment.
      1. Grabberxnumx
        Grabberxnumx 1 December 2015 16: 37
        0
        Thank you all for the clarification.
      2. Pimply
        Pimply 1 December 2015 17: 12
        +2
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        From the Bosnian experience in communication, I can say that the principle of manning is no better than ours, and our medical officers. They have paramedics (the US term) - medical specialists with both a higher (doctor, doctor) and secondary (paramedic, nurse or nurse) medical education, working in the emergency medical service, emergency rescue and military units and possessing skills of emergency medical care at the prehospital stage.
        The only positive thing (as of the middle of the 1990's) was the equipment.


        Modern analysis of combat wounds shows that the main task of a physician and / or doctor on the battlefield is to stabilize the patient and as quickly as possible, during the so-called. The "golden" hour is to deliver the patient to an equipped hospital, since it is in the hospital that it is possible to help the patient as quickly and efficiently as possible. It is for this that specialists are needed, who are primarily guided by pre-hospital emergency care.
        1. Russiamoy
          Russiamoy 1 December 2015 18: 16
          -1
          sometimes it seems to me that they no longer know how to cut money. all this is complete nonsense, besides, the amount of this "project" is not indicated (most likely a tidy seven-digit one as usual). it would be better to provide the soldiers with a modern personal first-aid kit similar to the Israeli or NATO one. the experience of military operations shows that a soldier often dies from blood loss or pain shock, and with this kind of medication we have stitches.
    3. Mykl
      Mykl 1 December 2015 15: 53
      +3
      They have almost the same. Recruits from among medical students, after passing something like KMB, are sent to retrain. Doctors from among practicing specialists are also recruited and retrained.
    4. Tor5
      Tor5 1 December 2015 16: 27
      0
      We have in the VMA them. Kirov, in St. Petersburg.
    5. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 1 December 2015 16: 34
      -1
      Quote: Grabber2000
      A question for connoisseurs like "How are they doing there?"
      We definitely have Military Medical Universities of the corresponding profile Field Surgery, but how is it in the West? Are they preparing from general civilian doctors or what?


      I will answer you, it was for life. A man, an army regiment in life, said - the Vishnevsky Academy - would be slaughtered correctly. He lay down under the knife, lay for a month with his right knee, returned and did not bother anymore. He’s also making fun of it - but you can’t do it on the left.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 1 December 2015 17: 24
        +2
        The military departments at the Russian medical institutes could not be reduced, but they still reduced ...
  2. sober
    sober 1 December 2015 15: 36
    +2

    What is it like? When is the bullet at the end? THOSE. SHE ALMOST Fallen AND REDUCED THE SOLDIER ???
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 1 December 2015 17: 54
      +2
      In principle, a bullet is dangerous throughout the flight path.
      At the end - residual penetrating power - the energy needed to penetrate the wounds of different parts of the body.
      In this case, the bullet can even be seen from the wound.

      As a vivid example, I can suggest watching on YouTube "RUSSIAN terminator ... A BULLET STUFF IN THE HEAD OF A FIGHTER ..."

      In war zones and not so occurs.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 1 December 2015 18: 05
        0
        Quote: SibSlavRus
        BULLET STUFF IN THE FIGHTER'S HEAD ... "

        Judging by the photograph, the skull did not pierce, but only the skin. It’s good that I didn’t get into the eye. In general, by the helmets, there must be thick glasses for protection.
        1. Vitaly Anisimov
          Vitaly Anisimov 1 December 2015 19: 20
          +1
          Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
          Quote: SibSlavRus
          BULLET STUFF IN THE FIGHTER'S HEAD ... "

          Judging by the photograph, the skull did not pierce, but only the skin. It’s good that I didn’t get into the eye. In general, by the helmets, there must be thick glasses for protection.

          Our glasses and helmets are not worn ... Not accepted! They interfere ... Here is this old video (+18) Even smiles ... bully Of course, the guy was lucky!
  3. moskowit
    moskowit 1 December 2015 15: 39
    +3
    Well then, good! if the program really helps in training military doctors, then this is only to the benefit of everyone. And first of all, wounded soldiers!
  4. SibSlavRus
    SibSlavRus 1 December 2015 15: 44
    +7
    It is not a computer program that makes real seasoned field surgeons, but "field practical exercises"!
    For example, an unexploded shot of VOG-25 from the body of a wounded man, having carried out an operation in body armor and in a foundation pit.
    And this is not yet the height of perfection for ours!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 1 December 2015 16: 09
      +1
      My classmate entered honey. right after school. And somewhere in the second or third year, he told me that they were taught to make diagnoses on a similar program for all sorts of signs. I still played around - you put it wrong, the computer writes - "The patient died" laughing So it was in 90m or 91m year. The computer was then either our "Iskra" or the first penny. The program, of course, is a simple BASIC type algorithm like "if - then ...". So it was 25 years ago. What progress has come in the states, to go nuts !!! But since then we have really reached - the military hospital was closed and everyone who could and knew how was asked to go to Novosibirsk, and who could not have those goodbyes !!! And who will teach?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 1 December 2015 17: 15
      +2
      Quote: SibSlavRus
      It is not a computer program that makes real seasoned field surgeons, but "field practical exercises"!
      For example, an unexploded shot of VOG-25 from the body of a wounded man, having carried out an operation in body armor and in a foundation pit.
      And this is not yet the height of perfection for ours!

      Do you think it is easy to become a "seasoned field surgeon" without proper training? Or wait every time for an unexploded shot from a VOG-25? For a surgeon to become a mother, in addition to living patients, he must have simulators, and exams, and so on. So that these same patients are not cut like pigs in vain
  5. bad
    bad 1 December 2015 15: 45
    +6
    simulators are certainly a good thing .. but I personally know a lot of examples when OUR military doctors in tents and not in equipped operating rooms gathered our guys almost for "spare parts" saved their lives, and the families of sons and fathers .. LOW THEM FOR THIS IS A WORSHIP! hi
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 December 2015 17: 16
      -2
      Quote: bad
      simulators are certainly a good thing .. but I personally know a lot of examples when OUR military doctors in tents and not in equipped operating rooms gathered our guys almost for "spare parts" saved their lives, and the families of sons and fathers .. LOW THEM FOR THIS IS A WORSHIP!

      The question is, what does this have to do with the topic of the article?
  6. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 1 December 2015 15: 47
    +3


    And yet, comrade SibSlavRus is right.
  7. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 15: 51
    +2
    No computer can replace practical exercises. And you can watch pictures on the monitor and books. The whole problem often comes down to psychological trauma at the place of work. And you can’t train it on the computer.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply 1 December 2015 17: 16
      0
      Quote: dchegrinec
      No computer can replace practical exercises. And you can watch pictures on the monitor and books. The whole problem often comes down to psychological trauma at the place of work. And you can’t train it on the computer.

      Put a minus. Because the computer facilitates these very practical exercises and makes them more effective
  8. slaw14
    slaw14 1 December 2015 16: 00
    0
    In military field conditions, this program will only have to be simulated
  9. Oznob
    Oznob 1 December 2015 16: 00
    0
    That one hell is a good thing. We are waiting on torrents)))
  10. Vitaly Anisimov
    Vitaly Anisimov 1 December 2015 16: 34
    +3
    Eternal memory to the medical doctors ... hi Thank you!
  11. Maksus
    Maksus 1 December 2015 16: 57
    +2
    They have a hospital in Bethesda, Maryland. Based on it, there is an American analogue of my VMEDA. Only they have a different teaching principle, rather similar to our military medical faculties - the first four years as a civilian student, then specializing in military and industrial training and military training, then the troops and everything like ours. In terms of equipment, they are ahead of us for many years. This is evidenced even by the fact that all modern medical literature is a translation of American and European literature.
  12. Olegmog
    Olegmog 1 December 2015 17: 41
    +6
    Once a year, I take first-aid training courses at work!
    Electronic mannequin that did wrong, but dies. Start on a new one.
    No matter how anyone giggles, doesn’t take it high, they say why
    these kids games! But without this in any way! When it really smells
    at least some skills remain, even let them use an electronic stimulator!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 1 December 2015 17: 55
      +1
      So I am about the same. We have had such equipment for a long time. And to present-to bring that "American specialists are developing a simulator program for training military doctors" is an empty ringing and, most importantly, stupid propaganda that "And you can't clean with a brick behind the hill of a gun!" All this has already happened, we know, we remember and explain to children.
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 1 December 2015 18: 29
        +2
        Yes, we do not have SUCH equipment. There are mannequins for practicing first aid - indirect heart massage, mouth-to-mouth breathing, nose-to-mouth breathing. But there are no simulators, literate, for training precisely action algorithms. There are tests, but they are not visual, they themselves must understand. Moreover, how often does the intern have to meet with arterial bleeding in practice? The correct answer is not too often. Not all hospitals even have a vascular surgeon. So is a useful program. Save a bunch of nerves and teach patients feet)
  13. Belousov
    Belousov 1 December 2015 18: 03
    +2
    Alas, after the deeds of Taburetkin (whom some authors have already christened here as a great martyr who did not spare his stomach for the sake of dusting the brains of potential opponents), our military medicine has not yet come to its senses.
    God grant that the guys have less work, but you should always be ready.
  14. Gunther
    Gunther 1 December 2015 18: 03
    +3
    theadenter Quote:
    Simulators are a very important thing. Americans, in this regard, it is very difficult to call stupid.

    I agree, this is a computer simulator for training field doctors, the necessary thing, the benefits are obvious, but only on the basis of classical medical education.
    When training pilots, aviation (flight) simulators have long been used, this solves many problems, but does not replace practice.
  15. Saratoga833
    Saratoga833 1 December 2015 21: 07
    +2
    The simulator is a good thing. He will not replace practice, but without it it is very, very bad.
    When you meet a real wounded man, all these simulators are remembered very quickly and you make much less mistakes. Convinced on myself. For 40 years of practical work as a surgeon, 20 of them as a military surgeon. Medical simulators are needed. In any army in the world.
  16. Barsukvad
    Barsukvad 2 December 2015 14: 01
    0
    It is a pity, but at the moment only one university in Russia graduates from military doctors - VMedA named after S.M. Kirov, in whom I have the honor to serve.
    Such works are important for the training of cadets, but they are only part of the general preparation. Naturally, only practice will make it possible to turn a general doctor into a military doctor, ready to work in the conditions of ongoing hostilities.