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Media: Alligators and Night Hunters in Syria?

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On the frames of the TV channel Al-Mayadinon the search and rescue operation in Syria, as a result of which the navigator of the Russian-bomber Su-24, shot down by the Turks, Konstantin Murakhtin, was rescued, you can see the Russian Ka-52 and Mi-28Н helicopters. These are attack helicopters, which are reportedly likely to be based at Hmeimim airbase. Previously, these helicopters were not seen in the Syrian sky.




However, the terrain of the appearance of helicopters in the frames is difficult to call Syrian ...

Ka-52 "Alligator" - Russian attack helicopter, capable of striking both manpower and military equipment (including armored) of the enemy. In addition, it has the ability to hit air targets. The crew of the helicopter consists of a pilot and a weapon operator. The maximum take-off weight of the rotary-wing machine is 12,2 T, the maximum allowable speed is 350 km / h. Static ceiling - 4 thousand. M, dynamic ceiling - 5,5 thousand. M. Practical range - 460 km. Rate of climb - 12 m / s. Armed with an 30-2 42-mm air-to-air and air-to-air missile. In addition, carries unguided C-13 missiles.

Mi-28H "Night Hunter" - Russian attack helicopter designed to destroy enemy personnel, armored ground targets, fortifications, as well as low-speed air targets. The crew of the helicopter - 2 man. Maximum take-off weight - 12,1 t, maximum speed - 300 km / h. Practical range - 450 km. Static ceiling - 3,6 thousand m, dynamic ceiling - 5,6 thousand m, rate of climb - more than 13 m / s. Armament: 30-mm gun 2А42, unguided rocket С-8 or С-13, guided air-to-air and air-to-air missiles. Has the possibility of setting minefields.
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  1. pavelty
    pavelty 1 December 2015 13: 12 New
    +6
    more technique is good and different - less bearded freaks ...
    1. attuda
      attuda 1 December 2015 13: 14 New
      10


      There are not only bearded.
      There are stupid, arrogant, thinking ..
      that invincible

      Many have already been mistaken about Russia ...

      Welcom on a rake!
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 1 December 2015 13: 29 New
        +9
        Well, the time has come to work for the good of Russia in real hostilities .. Good luck to you guys! hi Water the devils and God forbid without loss!
        1. mirag2
          mirag2 1 December 2015 14: 05 New
          +6
          Well then:
          However, the terrain of the appearance of helicopters in the frames is difficult to call Syrian ...
          the terrain is exactly the same: a report from the place of rescue of the pilot-Syria, near the Turkish border (3.00):
          1. tupolev-95
            tupolev-95 1 December 2015 14: 35 New
            +7
            C'mon. The shots are inserted into the report and filmed clearly in Russia. The airfield and the forest behind it with a wall, not a single pea - this is definitely not Syria. More like Buturlinovka.
            1. demon1978
              demon1978 1 December 2015 14: 41 New
              +1
              Quote: Tupolev-95
              More like Buturlinovka.


              А в Бутурлиновке сейчас начало Сентября,или там зима такая"лютая"???!!!! what request
              1. tupolev-95
                tupolev-95 1 December 2015 15: 14 New
                +4
                And who said the shots are fresh? Here is a photo from Buturlinovka - compare.
                1. tupolev-95
                  tupolev-95 1 December 2015 15: 16 New
                  +4
                  Вот еще - два хвоста "ила" и "тушки" ничего из репортажа не напоминает? Поставте ролик на паузу на 1-й минуте.
                  1. demon1978
                    demon1978 1 December 2015 15: 56 New
                    -3
                    Quote: Tupolev-95
                    And who said the shots are fresh?


                    Did not understand the thought request Or are you implying that they all knew and had previously shot a report ??? request

                    Quote: Tupolev-95
                    Pause the movie in the 1st minute.

                    You can more precisely (looked 10 times, not a single tail, only a basurman on a Chinese moped request )

                    Quote: Tupolev-95
                    Here is a photo from Buturlinovka - compare.

                    Let's just not convinced request A pair of shreds by some miracle of green grass, native flying birches and Christmas trees in the background request
                    Yes, and what's the point of sculpting humpbacked and TV shows off ??? what request
                    1. tupolev-95
                      tupolev-95 1 December 2015 17: 22 New
                      +4
                      Вот Вы упорный))) В репортаж просто-напросто вставили кусочек видео с российскими вертушками к Сирии никакого отношения не имеющий. Пейзаж в этом кусочке очень похож на Бутурлиновку.Там, кстати видны стоящие самолеты Ил и Ту. На фото с Ка-52 за Су-27-ми тоже стоят два самолета - Ил и Ту, только с другого ракурса."Можно по точнее(раз 10 просмотрел-ни одного хвоста,только басурманин на китайском мопеде" request )Я о ролике в статье.
                      1. demon1978
                        demon1978 1 December 2015 17: 42 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tupolev-95
                        I'm talking about a video in an article.


                        Then, what do you think happens at 1.41-1.44 minutes ???? (those same tails come in for landing) Also Buturlinovka ????
                      2. tupolev-95
                        tupolev-95 1 December 2015 17: 53 New
                        +1
                        You are probably not very familiar with aviation. At 1.41-1.44 you can see IL-76 and An, I don’t know the model, but it’s a reconnaissance aircraft and yes, these are shots from Syria. But shots from the Mi-28 and Ka-52 1.00-1.02 is not from Syria, but it is very likely that Tu-134 and Il-38 are standing there from Buturlinovka and on the ground.
                      3. demon1978
                        demon1978 1 December 2015 18: 04 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tupolev-95
                        You, apparently, are not very familiar with aviation. At 1.41-1.44 you can see IL-76 and An do not know the model for sure, but this is a reconnaissance aircraft and yes, these are shots from Syria.

                        Attention! hi
                        Quote: Tupolev-95
                        But the shots from Mi-28 and Ka-52 on 1.00-1.02 are not from Syria, but it looks like Tu-134 and Il-38 are standing there from Buturlinovka and on the ground.

                        Found in the Internet that this is Cuban request
                        http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/protivodeystvie_terrorizmu/smi_v_sirii_zametili_ka_

                        52_i_mi_28n /
                        There is still such an opinion:
                        The first. The Aerospace Forces have a vast experience not only in operation, but also in maintaining the flight and combat readiness of Mi-24 helicopters with their intensive use in desert conditions, characterized by high temperatures and large amounts of dust and sand. The fact that the newest Ka-52 and Mi-28 in Syria, especially with intensive combat work, will be just as reliable, there is no absolute certainty, but I don’t want to risk it.
                        The second one. The main weapon of the latest helicopters - the Whirlwind guided anti-tank missiles - is too expensive to spend on ordinary jeeps and trucks with machine guns mounted on them. And if we take into account the costs of maintenance, refueling, etc., then from an economic point of view, the use of the latest Mi-28 and Ka-52 to combat such "carts", even using conventional unguided missiles, is absolutely unjustified.
                        Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/27837
                      4. tupolev-95
                        tupolev-95 1 December 2015 18: 13 New
                        +2
                        Well, this is the opinion of one of the commentators, as well as mine, but the fact that this is not Syria is a fact. And that means the news about the presence of our Ka-52 and Mi-28 in Syria is unconfirmed.
                      5. demon1978
                        demon1978 1 December 2015 20: 01 New
                        0
                        Quote: Tupolev-95
                        And that means the news about the presence of our Ka-52 and Mi-28 in Syria is unconfirmed.


                        Quite possible what In addition, the movie, for some reason, changed .... request
    2. urii
      urii 1 December 2015 16: 59 New
      +3
      which Russia is not a believer. Here are their frames on all channels showed. To notice all the same and the area and clothes for the season. Che also say from Russia?
      1. tupolev-95
        tupolev-95 1 December 2015 17: 24 New
        +2
        And now, dear believer, tell me - where did you see the Ka-52 or Mi-28 on these frames? Or didn’t you read the article, and just to participate in the dispute?
  • slaw14
    slaw14 1 December 2015 14: 17 New
    +9
    In the service, I observed the K-50 in combat conditions (tests) long before 1994. The machine made an impression on the verge of fiction. Leaning practically with his nose into the ground, he hit with missiles, abruptly flying back, delivering a subsequent blow. Until now, no helicopter can repeat such a thing - it will fall apart in the air from a blast wave. The maneuverability of this model is unlikely to happen.
  • Asadullah
    Asadullah 1 December 2015 14: 03 New
    11
    There are not only bearded.
    There are stupid, arrogant, thinking ..
    that invincible

    Many have already been mistaken about Russia ...


    There 90% of those who were robbed for hundreds of years by all who went through military campaigns, because there was not enough bread from their fields, it was necessary for someone else. Looted by local princes, according to their lifestyle. Robbed by overseas owners of steamboat roads. All that was left for them was faith in the Creator and respect for the Prophet. All their education, this is literacy at the local mullah according to the Koran. All their authorities are elders. What do you want from them? Yes, a new force appeared that was able to unite them, just as poverty once united the proletariat. They also have nothing to lose except bribes and hard life from generation to generation. Someone was deceived by an imaginary fraternity, someone consciously believed in deception, and someone followed the elders. In one fell swoop, you identify everyone in the soup as a nail in the dark from a headache.

    And Russia, Russia is the least there. She is trying by small means to resist the crowding out of her interests from the region, and by and large it is deeply violet to the peoples living there. There are general phrases that are as it were customary to pronounce, but in fact, none of the parties does not bring these peoples any good or hope for benevolent changes in this life.

    You can kill, you can bomb, those 10% of bandits and criminals are smaller, will scatter around the world to look for new adventures on their ass, the rest will submit to force until it weakens, but nothing changes in fact. Only enlightenment can change, but the state in which the Arab enlightenment is today, this status quo will stretch for a good two hundred years.
  • Sterlya
    Sterlya 1 December 2015 21: 19 New
    0
    If they are useful, why shouldn't they be there? There they should be.
  • Smoked
    Smoked 1 December 2015 13: 12 New
    24
    Mounting it. Video from Kubinka.
    1. vadimtt
      vadimtt 1 December 2015 13: 18 New
      12
      Yes, it's a couple of seconds with mi8 and an excursion against the backdrop of a spruce (not pine!) Forest, not from Syria at all :)
      1. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 1 December 2015 13: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: vadimtt
        Yes, it's a couple of seconds with mi8 and an excursion against the backdrop of a spruce (not pine!) Forest, not from Syria at all :)

        Yes, installation, but this does not mean that they are not there! Cars are expensive and they won’t especially draw ...
        1. Lyapis
          Lyapis 1 December 2015 17: 59 New
          +1
          Cars are expensive and they won’t especially draw ...

          Не дороже су-34 или су-30. А скрывать ради того, чтоб просто скрывать смысла нет, не та сейчас у МО политика.Скорее уж наличие таких машин выставили бы на показ, типа: "Вот каким современным оружием мы бъём игил".
          In the video from the Moscow Region and from the journalists who were at the base, these helicopters also never fell into the frame ...
      2. Wedmak
        Wedmak 1 December 2015 14: 06 New
        +1
        against the background of spruce (not pine!) forest

        Honestly, I did not understand how you identified Christmas trees instead of pines with such picture quality.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2015 13: 55 New
      +2
      Quote: Smoked
      Mounting it. Video from Kubinka.

      Nothing betrayed Kubinka ... except the tails of the planes in the background. smile
    3. mirag2
      mirag2 1 December 2015 14: 24 New
      +1
      Mounting it. Video from Kubinka.
      laughing laughing -healthy sense of humor is always out of place! +
  • Tor5
    Tor5 1 December 2015 13: 12 New
    +2
    That's good! The more multipurpose equipment - the better!
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  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 1 December 2015 13: 13 New
    +4
    Ночью хорошо нефтяные обозы эрдохрюна долбить,удачной охоты тебе"Ночной охотник"! soldier
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 1 December 2015 13: 16 New
      +1
      Quote: Major Yurik
      Ночью хорошо нефтяные обозы эрдохрюна долбить,удачной охоты тебе"Ночной охотник"!

      and therefore they should not have been seen in the sky of Syria ...
      Previously, these helicopters were not seen in the Syrian sky.
  • Monos
    Monos 1 December 2015 13: 15 New
    +5
    Для ДАИШ и "крокодилов" хватало. К туркам подход более серьёзный. Помоги Бог ребятам.
  • Maksus
    Maksus 1 December 2015 13: 17 New
    +5
    Mi-28 is what you need in Syria. Armored, well armed and shallow. And the Night Hunter is generally a fairy tale - with its all-weather radar.
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    2. Air Force captain
      Air Force captain 1 December 2015 14: 02 New
      0
      The night hunter is Mi-28
      1. Manul
        Manul 1 December 2015 15: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Air Force Captain
        The night hunter is Mi-28

        Night hunter - Mi-28N. When it was decided which attack helicopter to choose for the army - Ka-50 or Mi-28, it was decided in favor of the first, but in order to support the Milevts, they took their car with a reservation in the modification of a night hunter. Only without a sub-radar radar is it still not the helicopter that was hoped for. hi
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 1 December 2015 14: 56 New
      0
      Only the Ka-52 has a radar, but it only has unguided missiles and bombs from the permitted for combat aircraft.

      Mi-28H has no radar.
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 1 December 2015 13: 23 New
    +1
    In principle, I will not be surprised - there are plenty of goals, especially for Night Hunters ...
  • vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 1 December 2015 13: 25 New
    0
    And why is this a surprise to someone? We need to run different equipment in combat conditions.
  • kuz363
    kuz363 1 December 2015 13: 25 New
    0
    The characteristics of the helicopters are almost similar. Only different firms. What was the reason for doing such a disagreement? Surely and the parts are different. Where is the unification of weapons, as in the west?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 1 December 2015 13: 35 New
      +3
      The characteristics of the helicopters are almost similar.

      Do they resemble figs if different rotor circuits are used?
      What reason was there to do so much discord?

      Reason is very, very there. They have a different purpose. And the possibilities are different.
      Where is the unification of weapons, as in the west?

      And in the West, is such a unified whole armament straight?
      1. Maksus
        Maksus 1 December 2015 13: 48 New
        0
        The characteristics are really similar, but the Mi-28 is simpler and cheaper precisely because of the scheme. As I understand it - alligators were planned for the Mistral and everything, but Mi-28 to the army aviation, no?
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 1 December 2015 14: 04 New
          +4
          The characteristics are really similar, but the Mi-28 is simpler and cheaper precisely because of the scheme.

          Not really. Ka-52 due to the coaxial scheme has great maneuverability and can fly in the highlands. Mostly focused on unexpected point strikes. A sort of special forces air. Plus can control the Mi-shek link. Mi-28H is simpler, stronger armored. This is a battlefield helicopter. Its task is similar to the Mi-24, to fly into pieces and topple everything.
          As I understand it, the Alligators were planned for the Mistral and that’s all

          Нет, сухопутные Ка-52 уже поставлялись, когда пришла разнарядка сделать морскую версию. Они и сделали "Катран". Отличия очевидны и видны - складывающиеся несущие винты, уменьшенные боковые пилоны, антикоррозионная обработка и т.д.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 1 December 2015 15: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: Maksus
          As I understand it - Alligators were planned for the Mistrals

          Это не совсем так.Алигатор-это ударный вертолет ,задуманный как командный модуль,управляющий группой вертолетов таких как например МИ-28"Ночной охотник".А когда началась история с Мистралями,решили создать и корабельную версию Аллигатора-КА-52К.
        3. Koshak
          Koshak 1 December 2015 15: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: Maksus
          As far as I understand, alligators were planned for the Mistral and that’s all, but Mi-28 to the army aviation, no?

          Ка-52 "Аллигатор" создавался, когда ни о каких "Мистралях" еще и речи не было. И именно для армейской авиации.
      2. Leks69Rus
        Leks69Rus 1 December 2015 14: 37 New
        0
        Their armament is one and the same; it was one and the same thing. The schemes are different yes. The Americans have one Apache percussion and somehow missing. The logic of loading the factories is unclear, the same error the USSR factory to have jobs and how it all ended. With an extremely limited budget, you need maximum returns and savings. The Ka-52 is an absolutely dark horse, it is unclear how it will behave in real hostilities, otherwise it will turn out that we will have 100 unsuccessful helicopters for someone who received sn yes. And I didn’t write that helicopters can be deployed at different angles-52 with an eye on the Mi-28 marines on the ground army. Now complete uncertainty
    2. St Petrov
      St Petrov 1 December 2015 13: 35 New
      +3
      Both models are good, two factories at work. Twice as many people are provided with salaries and social programs - twice as much equipment over a period of time.

      Time is not easy, they will not be superfluous, the State order is provided with money.

      We sell alligators to Egypt, Mi-28 to other countries in the Arab region - all the way through. CSTO will help with orders. Thailand and other countries in the Asian region are still eyeing. I think if they are really transferred to Syria, then there will be good advertising and more orders.

      Well, ideally, after the collapse of the United States, we will deliver these models to Texas laughing

    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 1 December 2015 13: 40 New
      +2
      The reason is to provide Kamovtsev and Milevtsev with orders. Workers are also people, they also want to eat.

      Нет, изначально вроде как планировали сделать Ми-28Н основной ударной машиной Армейской Авиации, а Ка-52 закупить в небольшом количестве и использовать только в районах где предыдущий будет себя "некомфортно" чувствовать (горная местность, сложные метеоусловия и др.). Но, в итоге стали массово закупать обе машины.
      1. tomket
        tomket 1 December 2015 13: 55 New
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        Initially, it seemed like they planned to make the Mi-28N the main strike machine of the Army Aviation,

        The original plan was for the Mi-28 to be exported to third countries.
        Quote: Wiruz
        а Ка-52 закупить в небольшом количестве и использовать только в районах где предыдущий будет себя "некомфортно" чувствовать

        And they planned to make the Ka-50 the main helicopter.
        Quote: Wiruz
        But, in the end, they began to massively purchase both cars.

        But in the end, Mil’s lobbying, and in particular the director of the Rostov plant, was sold by the Mi-28, and hacked the ka-50. in the end, we have Ka-52 and mi-28 that lose Ka-50.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 1 December 2015 14: 05 New
          0
          in the end, we have Ka-52 and mi-28 that lose Ka-50.

          I do not agree with this.
        2. Wiruz
          Wiruz 1 December 2015 14: 11 New
          +1
          Where does the Ka-52 lose before the Ka-50? fool

          Только в названии, т.к. "Чёрная Акула" звучит приятней чем "Аллигатор" hi
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 1 December 2015 16: 20 New
            0
            Quote: Wiruz
            Where does the Ka-52 lose before the Ka-50?

            Speed, armor, a mass of weapons and most importantly - the price. The Ka-50 is a tank, and the Ka-52 is a control vehicle, for which it was developed.
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2015 14: 07 New
      +3
      Quote: kuz363
      The characteristics of the helicopters are almost similar. Only different firms. What was the reason for doing such a discord?

      Потому что процесс их разработки и доводки был достаточно сложным, и МО решило не класть все яйца в одну корзину. Более того, МО ещё и "travel card bought" - закупило вместе с новыми машинами старые добрые Ми-35.

      Второй причиной параллельной закупки Ми-28 и Ка-52 является то, что это позволяет по-максимуму загрузить заводы и не тратить время на переоснащение производства под выпуск "чужой" машины. Потому как мы настолько затянули разработку и серийный выпуск, что новые вертолёты нужны были не то что "вчера" - а 10 лет тому назад!

      As for the different types ... it is not only for helicopter pilots. Alas, the situation in the military-industrial complex resembles the tank building of the times of the USSR (or Reich in the 30s - 40s): each of the plants drives its own model and it will take a long and expensive time to rebuild under the other. A new technique is needed quickly and a lot.
      As a result, for example, the Air Force buys 2 modifications of the Su-30 - since they have already been mastered in the series. And in the fleet, each shipyard builds its own version of a ship of the same class ...
      1. Leks69Rus
        Leks69Rus 1 December 2015 14: 41 New
        0
        New helicopters are so directly needed that Mi-24 is fighting in Syria. The logic is iron.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 December 2015 17: 02 New
          0
          Quote: Leks69Rus
          New helicopters are so directly needed that Mi-24 is fighting in Syria. The logic is iron.

          That is why the Mi-24s are fighting in Syria because the new helicopters of the Russian Armed Forces received too late.
  • Taygerus
    Taygerus 1 December 2015 13: 27 New
    0
    give GOD without loss to our children. If this is true, here are the Basmachs gifts for the new year, let them rejoice that they will be sent to the bar with their high-tech helicopters to Ale
  • moskowit
    moskowit 1 December 2015 13: 27 New
    0
    It was not, it was not ... Now they will be! And if, indeed, no, then we need to be ...
  • Simon
    Simon 1 December 2015 13: 27 New
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    It’s wonderful that the bandits will never have peace, they will find death everywhere, they will be beaten everywhere and always, wherever they hide, even by day, even at night, even on the ground, even in bunkers underground. negative soldier
  • Sars
    Sars 1 December 2015 13: 30 New
    -2
    Judging by the latest information from Turks, Saudis and the company, it’s not necessary to drive alligators, but to calm them down with atomic charges.
  • ydjin
    ydjin 1 December 2015 13: 31 New
    0
    Anyway, while the Ka-52 and Mi-28 are not in Syria, it’s a pity!
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 13: 33 New
    0
    Helicopters are just super! In Syria, they can be substantially modified during operation.
  • jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 1 December 2015 13: 33 New
    +1
    Yesterday they wrote already. ???
  • Leks69Rus
    Leks69Rus 1 December 2015 13: 36 New
    +1
    In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52. Indeed, many experts pointed to the overwhelming variety of military equipment in the Soviet army. This led to a complication of maintenance, the need for different spare parts, and training of different crews. But the USSR was a superpower and could afford it. The new Russia does not have such resources, however, we immediately purchase 3 types of attack helicopters and it is completely unclear which one is better. Moreover, for example, the Mi-28 was not brought to full condition without providing its over-radar radar. Although it is in this form, it can work at night. By my logic, the ka-52 would look great like an attack helicopter for the marines, based on the BDK and helicopter carriers, as well as on other warships with a helipad. Well, the land version attributed to the Marine Corps is also not bad. Mi-28 is the main attack helicopter of our army, finally bring to mind the radar and put on all previously released and new ones. Pretty logical and everyone is happy. Mi-35 at rest and only for export as an inexpensive attack helicopter. And now it is not clear that there are more than 200 newest helicopters in service (mi-35 is about 30, mi-28 is more than 90 and ka-52 is more than 70, and in Syria, the grandfather is a crocodile, about which it has already been learned by heart.
    1. tomket
      tomket 1 December 2015 13: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: Leks69Rus
      Already 4x attack helicopters are overkill: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52. Indeed, many experts pointed to the overwhelming variety of military equipment in the Soviet army.

      In aviation, about the same. They buy a family massively similar in purpose.
      Dry, but different plants and, as a result, differing from each other.
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2015 14: 15 New
      +1
      Quote: Leks69Rus
      In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52.

      Mi-24 and Mi-35 are one and the same family.
      Quote: Leks69Rus
      The new Russia does not have such resources, however, we immediately purchase 3 types of attack helicopters and it is completely unclear which one is better.

      But there is no choice: new helicopters are needed a lot and urgently.
      And we, roughly speaking, have 2 factories, each of which is sharpened for a specific model of technology. Rebuild production, retrain staff, re-establish the series - long and expensive. A technique is needed Here and now - The resource of the Soviet sides is not eternal.

      Plus, to the last it was not clear which of the new cars could be brought to mind. So far, they are equally raw. Until now, for example, there are problems with launching NAR on hovering. That is why the Ministry of Defense has insured itself and has also purchased the Mi-35.
      1. Leks69Rus
        Leks69Rus 1 December 2015 14: 27 New
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        Just about now and disagrees a lot. In modern warfare, helicopters do not play the first violin, and even not the second. Aircraft with precision guns and attack drones. Have you ever seen an Apache flying in flocks of ala mi-2 and firing at Nursa? No. Chasing Aboriginal people is enough and Mi-24 of which are still more than 24 in service. And against the enemy, even with man-portable complexes, the MANPADS are already a lot of difficulties. So there is no rush here. Mi-200 by the way is a symbiosis of 35ki and 24th. Half-breed. We need more clarity with the future fleet of our helicopters. Ka-28 is a dark horse in general.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 1 December 2015 17: 21 New
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          Quote: Leks69Rus
          Just about now and disagrees a lot. In modern warfare, helicopters do not play the first violin, and even not the second.

          There has not yet been a modern war. What we have been seeing for the last couple of decades is police operations conducted with the full technical and quantitative superiority of the party conducting them. And in them helicopters are used very widely - since even for the USA it is too expensive to spend a rocket on every woman.
          Quote: Leks69Rus
          Have you ever seen an Apache flying in flocks of ala mi-24 and firing at Nursa?

          Групповое применение "Апачей" - это Ирак. И работали они там не с дальних дистанций - вернувшиеся "апачи" регулярно привозили пробоины от стрелковки.
          Также неплохо посмотреть цифры наличия "Апачей" в ВС США. И года их выпуска или модернизаций.
          Quote: Leks69Rus
          Chasing Aboriginal people is enough and Mi-24 of which are still more than 200 in service.

          And who still remember the restructuring and dear Mikhail Sergeyevich. In fact, our army aviation until recently flew on the same types of machines that were used back in Afghanistan. And which were produced back in the USSR or on his orders. And for which the Soviet Army still required a replacement.
          Машины эти нужно менять срочно - иначе наша армейская авиация перейдёт на полёты "пешим по-лётному". Мы фактически потеряли 20 лет планомерного обновления парка армейской авиации.
    3. Koshak
      Koshak 1 December 2015 15: 59 New
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      Quote: Leks69Rus
      In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52.

      Mi-35 is an export version of Mi-24
    4. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 1 December 2015 17: 32 New
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      Quote: Leks69Rus
      And now it is not clear that there are more than 200 newest helicopters in service (mi-35 is about 30, mi-28 is more than 90 and ka-52 is more than 70, and in Syria, the grandfather is a crocodile, about which it has already been learned by heart.

      Not everything is so simple.
      The hardest thing was to retrain on the Mi-28N, the helicopter is new, has practically nothing to do with the 24, the helicopter has one control, only the helicopter commander, unlike the two on the Mi-24. If on the Mi-24 you can conduct control flights, where the instructor will tell you something during the flight, in an emergency, take control, then on the 28th this cannot be done. This is due to the presence of different types of helicopters in the troops: while there is no training Mi-28UB, we will learn to fly on the Mi-24, Mi-35M.
      (...)
      Mi-28:
      - Yes, the work of the gun with hovering, guided missiles to let him. And with the "35-x" hovering allowed already. They began to work more on hovering, namely a cannon. On the Mi-24, this was impossible to do, because the gun was rigidly fixed and for its rotation it was necessary to turn the whole helicopter. NAR while it is impossible to shoot with hovering.
      (...)
      - Hmm ... Probably, to just cure all childhood diseases of the machine. The helicopter from series to series is becoming more reliable, but I would like it to be completed more efficiently. For example, there used to be a problem with gearboxes. Very warm, there was a bad airflow, poor cooling of the oil. Finished. Overheated ceased.

      In short, the helicopter is new, it’s difficult to retrain on it, and, despite 5 years of operation, it still needs improvements.
      Plus problems with weapons. NAR from hanging is impossible to work. Release ATGM disrupted. And what - will we send a ganship to Syria? smile

      According to Ka-52, the problems are the same. Retraining on the coaxial scheme, problems with NAR and ATGM.
    5. Dam
      Dam 2 December 2015 01: 25 New
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      And we have a pancake, time 2 cars. Just choose how to unify everything. It’s just that the ass is already burning, it stinks in the air of war. Not to fat, we drive everything that we have time
  • Engineer
    Engineer 1 December 2015 13: 38 New
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    And where were they when they looked for our navigator? So it wasn’t. This means an increase in the deployment by the Turks of their armored vehicles at the border, which is logical, since the Mi-28 is primarily an anti-tank helicopter.
    1. Leks69Rus
      Leks69Rus 1 December 2015 13: 46 New
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      The Mi-28 is an all-weather army attack helicopter, created taking into account the shortcomings of the Mi-24 and is designed for the same tasks, but it should be much better
  • azesm
    azesm 1 December 2015 13: 42 New
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    Is someone interested in alternative points of view on the war in Syria?
    without cheers-patriotism and illusions?
    http://historyndex.com/page-history/rasshirenie--2--/
    1. Forest
      Forest 1 December 2015 13: 56 New
      +1
      The position of the all-prowler is also far from reality.
  • AID.S
    AID.S 1 December 2015 13: 42 New
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    For better or worse, we are getting more and more involved in Syria. I hope there is a strategy in this matter, and not just tactics.
    1. Vikings
      Vikings 1 December 2015 14: 40 New
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      First of all, we defend our interests in Syria. If not in
      courses? That Daesh, declared Russia among his priorities!
      So what to meet, this black international is on the verge
      of their home, they were not better off crushing them far from their threshold.
  • Lord_Sita
    Lord_Sita 1 December 2015 13: 45 New
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    А почему наши бойцы не в "Ратниках" и не с новыми "навороченными" калашами?
  • Wolka
    Wolka 1 December 2015 14: 00 New
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    this is good news, but the Turks blocking the Bosphorus are doing everything to strangle and prevent the Russian VKS group from working in Syria, all to give an opportunity to regroup the Daesh, to lick the wounds and hide from their odious leaders still alive ...
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 1 December 2015 14: 20 New
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      Quote: Volka
      this is good news, but the Turks blocking the Bosphorus are doing everything to strangle and prevent the Russian VKS group from working in Syria, all to give an opportunity to regroup the Daesh, to lick the wounds and hide from their odious leaders still alive ...

      Well, Russia is not the first time to face such difficulties ... After all, we will break through? Or are we not Russians? angry
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 1 December 2015 16: 12 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Well, Russia is not the first time to face such difficulties.

        But the card seems to be lying. From Latakia to the nearest point of the border with the Turks, 22 km does not work in any way. In the nearest place, about 44 km. And those googles didn't tell, by chance, where will the second air base be?
    2. lis-ik
      lis-ik 1 December 2015 14: 38 New
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      Никто ничего пока не перекрывал, это вброс от укросми ещё за 29 число, по "Вести ФМ" уже подробно по этому поводу ответили, все суда в данный момент спокойно следуют по Босфору.
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  • OlegLex
    OlegLex 1 December 2015 14: 26 New
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    Syria now needs a lot of things, and if we hold a high sky for the Syrian army there, you can certainly think about keeping low altitudes, only now you forget that Shusha has air defense systems that have a defeat height of up to two kilometers, and that’s means that our pilots will suffer inevitable losses. I think that we will not lay our own in Syrian land, there is nothing to it. we are not fighting for the Syrians, we are fighting along with them as military support, in order to stop the enemy at distant frontiers.
  • Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 1 December 2015 14: 36 New
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    The war on BV flares up more and more. So the Turks on the border with Syria are focusing, and soon the Germans will catch up. So, there is nothing surprising if ours really threw new helicopters.
  • Bort radist
    Bort radist 1 December 2015 14: 40 New
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    In the news they write - they are preparing the second VKS base in Shairat, 35 km from Homs. Grouping will be brought to 100 units. Ours have already used Shairat as a jump airfield. 45 fortified aircraft hangars. On November 17, 2015, during a video presentation of the Ministry of Defense, a map was shown on which the positions of the 5th howitzer artillery battery of the 120th Guards Artillery Brigade of the Russian Army deployed in the area since November 6 were marked near Shairat base. It is also noticeable on the map that from exactly the same moment in time (14:00, November 6), four Mi-24 attack helicopters and one Mi-8 transport helicopter were placed at the Shairat airfield, their affiliation was not established.
  • qwert
    qwert 1 December 2015 15: 43 New
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    In Aviation and Cosmonautics in 2015, a series of articles about Ka-50 / 52 was published and continues to be published. In general, Compare Ka-52 and Mi-28 is not worth it. Mi-28, even for the end of the 80's, was not an advanced machine. And Ka-5 today is a unique machine. The difference between them is both between T-62 and T-64.
  • BULLIT
    BULLIT 1 December 2015 16: 35 New
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    These are pictures from the CUBE !!! fool
  • newcomer
    newcomer 1 December 2015 17: 22 New
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    you need to try out all new equipment, as well as old new ones. for example t 54/55 with a mounted dz and a thrush system. why should they gather dust in storage? instead they deposited tons 72, purchasing a breakthrough for the army tons 90 am.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 December 2015 18: 06 New
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    There is an option to test the equipment in combat conditions !!! so why not take advantage. Developers will add work, because paper TTX is paper.
  • ANANATOLY PAULOV
    ANANATOLY PAULOV 1 December 2015 18: 25 New
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    ГОСПОДА НЕ НАДО СПОРИТЬ. КАДРЫ ПОКАЗАННЫЕ В ХРОНИКЕ АРАБСКОГО ТВ - ВРЕЗКА, ВЗЯТАЯ ИЗ СЪЁМОК СДЕЛАННЫХ В ОКТЯБРЕ 2013 ГОДА В БУТУРЛИНОВКЕ. К СТАТИ ТАМ ВИДНЫ "ХВОСТЫ" ТУ-154 И ИЛ-18.ОНИ БЫЛИ ПОКАЗАНЫ В НОВОСТЯХ ПО "ЗВЕЗДЕ" В ТОМ ЖЕ ГОДУ.
    1. tupolev-95
      tupolev-95 1 December 2015 18: 29 New
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      Well, that’s good. I, however, incorrectly determined the airplane models in Buturlinovka.
  • mvg
    mvg 1 December 2015 19: 06 New
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    Quote: Leks69Rus
    In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52. Indeed, many experts pointed to the overwhelming variety of military equipment in the Soviet army. This led to a complication of maintenance, the need for different spare parts, and training of different crews. But the USSR was a superpower and could afford it. The new Russia does not have such resources, however, we immediately purchase 3 types of attack helicopters and it is completely unclear which one is better. Moreover, for example, the Mi-28 was not brought to full condition without providing its over-radar radar. Although it is in this form, it can work at night. By my logic, the ka-52 would look great like an attack helicopter for the marines, based on the BDK and helicopter carriers, as well as on other warships with a helipad. Well, the land version attributed to the Marine Corps is also not bad. Mi-28 is the main attack helicopter of our army, finally bring to mind the radar and put on all previously released and new ones. Pretty logical and everyone is happy. Mi-35 at rest and only for export as an inexpensive attack helicopter. And now it is not clear that there are more than 200 newest helicopters in service (mi-35 is about 30, mi-28 is more than 90 and ka-52 is more than 70, and in Syria, the grandfather is a crocodile, about which it has already been learned by heart.

    All honestly. Only diversity is not from a good life. Not entirely applicable to the option when in the USSR there were MBT T-64, T-80, T-72 and T-90. At the same time, everything is different, from hodovka to the OMS. Kharkov, Tagil, Leningrad. Quiet horror.
    With the turntables, it turned out that the successful Mi-24, in time, due to 90 years, did not change to the Mi-28. Wild lack of money. Mi-35 - was planned only for export, not all potential buyers liked the transport compartment in the attack helicopter. On the goat’s heel button accordion.
    Ka-50 and Ka-52. Well, there was an article ... No. Cool turntables, of the same class as the Mi-24 and Mi-28, for good reason both design bureaus participated in the tender of the aircraft. Each design bureau has its own lobby (well, how could it be without it). Ka, like a car, is objectively better, but more expensive .. Mil has his own advantage. As a result, we chose, as always, the Solomon solution: We take EVERYTHING!
    Кстати, мое мнение, на Мисральках лучше бы смотрелся Ми-28. Просто у КБ Камова больше опыт в создании "оморяченных" версий. Да и Ми больше в армию идут.
    PS: In my understanding, the Mi-35 can only be exported (also a double-edged sword, because they don’t want to buy something that is not in their own aircraft).
    А в наши ВС оставить 28 и 52 - ые. Ми-24 модернизировать и продать в Ирак и Сирию. Там сейчас эти вертушки ох как нужны.. А больше их никуда не "слить". Богатые шейхи обоснованно предпочитают LongBow и Тайгера. Китай делает свои вертушки. Страны АТР - тоже ближе к США.

    Anyway, I like small aircraft, but they are well and modernly armed, mobile, professional. Kueva a cloud of money in the country allocated to the Armed Forces is simply stolen .. At the level of generals, colonels. In this case, to the sergeant, there are simply crumbs.
    Ahead of the planet is the total number of generals.