Media: Alligators and Night Hunters in Syria?

On the frames of the TV channel Al-Mayadinon the search and rescue operation in Syria, as a result of which the navigator of the Russian-bomber Su-24, shot down by the Turks, Konstantin Murakhtin, was rescued, you can see the Russian Ka-52 and Mi-28Н helicopters. These are attack helicopters, which are reportedly likely to be based at Hmeimim airbase. Previously, these helicopters were not seen in the Syrian sky.

However, the terrain of the appearance of helicopters in the frames is difficult to call Syrian ...

Ka-52 "Alligator" - Russian attack helicopter, capable of striking both manpower and military equipment (including armored) of the enemy. In addition, it has the ability to hit air targets. The crew of the helicopter consists of a pilot and a weapon operator. The maximum take-off weight of the rotary-wing machine is 12,2 T, the maximum allowable speed is 350 km / h. Static ceiling - 4 thousand. M, dynamic ceiling - 5,5 thousand. M. Practical range - 460 km. Rate of climb - 12 m / s. Armed with an 30-2 42-mm air-to-air and air-to-air missile. In addition, carries unguided C-13 missiles.

Mi-28H "Night Hunter" - Russian attack helicopter designed to destroy enemy personnel, armored ground targets, fortifications, as well as low-speed air targets. The crew of the helicopter - 2 man. Maximum take-off weight - 12,1 t, maximum speed - 300 km / h. Practical range - 450 km. Static ceiling - 3,6 thousand m, dynamic ceiling - 5,6 thousand m, rate of climb - more than 13 m / s. Armament: 30-mm gun 2А42, unguided rocket С-8 or С-13, guided air-to-air and air-to-air missiles. Has the possibility of setting minefields.

Comments

[pavelty]

more technique is good and different - less bearded freaks ...

[attuda]

There are not only bearded.
There are stupid, arrogant, thinking ..
that invincible

Many have already been mistaken about Russia ...

Welcom on a rake!

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Well, the time has come to work for the good of Russia in real hostilities .. Good luck to you guys! Water the devils and God forbid without loss!

[mirag2]

Well then:

However, the terrain of the appearance of helicopters in the frames is difficult to call Syrian ...

the terrain is exactly the same: a report from the place of rescue of the pilot-Syria, near the Turkish border (3.00):

[tupolev-95]

C'mon. The shots are inserted into the report and filmed clearly in Russia. The airfield and the forest behind it with a wall, not a single pea - this is definitely not Syria. More like Buturlinovka.

[demon1978]

Quote: Tupolev-95

More like Buturlinovka.

And in Buturlinovka now is the beginning of September, or is there such a "fierce" winter ??? !!!!

[tupolev-95]

And who said the shots are fresh? Here is a photo from Buturlinovka - compare.

[tupolev-95]

Here's another - two tails of "silt" and "carcass" do not resemble anything from the report? Pause the video at 1 minute.

[demon1978]

Quote: Tupolev-95

And who said the shots are fresh?

Did not understand the thought Or are you implying that they all knew and had previously shot a report ???

Quote: Tupolev-95

Pause the movie in the 1st minute.

You can more precisely (looked 10 times, not a single tail, only a basurman on a Chinese moped )

Quote: Tupolev-95

Here is a photo from Buturlinovka - compare.

Let's just not convinced A pair of shreds by some miracle of green grass, native flying birches and Christmas trees in the background
Yes, and what's the point of sculpting humpbacked and TV shows off ???

[tupolev-95]

Here you are stubborn))) The report simply inserted a piece of video with Russian turntables to Syria, which has nothing to do with it. The landscape in this piece is very similar to Buturlinovka, where, by the way, the standing Il and Tu planes are visible. In the photo from the Ka-52, behind the Su-27s, there are also two planes - Il and Tu, only from a different angle. "You can be more precise (I looked 10 times, not a single tail, only a basurman on a Chinese moped" request) I'm talking about the video in the article.

[demon1978]

Quote: Tupolev-95

I'm talking about a video in an article.

Then, what do you think happens at 1.41-1.44 minutes ???? (those same tails come in for landing) Also Buturlinovka ????

[tupolev-95]

You are probably not very familiar with aviation. At 1.41-1.44 you can see IL-76 and An, I don’t know the model, but it’s a reconnaissance aircraft and yes, these are shots from Syria. But shots from the Mi-28 and Ka-52 1.00-1.02 is not from Syria, but it is very likely that Tu-134 and Il-38 are standing there from Buturlinovka and on the ground.

[demon1978]

Quote: Tupolev-95

You, apparently, are not very familiar with aviation. At 1.41-1.44 you can see IL-76 and An do not know the model for sure, but this is a reconnaissance aircraft and yes, these are shots from Syria.

Attention!

Quote: Tupolev-95

But the shots from Mi-28 and Ka-52 on 1.00-1.02 are not from Syria, but it looks like Tu-134 and Il-38 are standing there from Buturlinovka and on the ground.

Found in the Internet that this is Cuban
http://www.arms-expo.ru/news/protivodeystvie_terrorizmu/smi_v_sirii_zametili_ka_

52_i_mi_28n /
There is still such an opinion:
The first. The Aerospace Forces have a vast experience not only in operation, but also in maintaining the flight and combat readiness of Mi-24 helicopters with their intensive use in desert conditions, characterized by high temperatures and large amounts of dust and sand. The fact that the newest Ka-52 and Mi-28 in Syria, especially with intensive combat work, will be just as reliable, there is no absolute certainty, but I don’t want to risk it.
The second one. The main weapon of the latest helicopters - the Whirlwind guided anti-tank missiles - is too expensive to spend on ordinary jeeps and trucks with machine guns mounted on them. And if we take into account the costs of maintenance, refueling, etc., then from an economic point of view, the use of the latest Mi-28 and Ka-52 to combat such "carts", even using conventional unguided missiles, is absolutely unjustified.
Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/articles/27837

[tupolev-95]

Well, this is the opinion of one of the commentators, as well as mine, but the fact that this is not Syria is a fact. And that means the news about the presence of our Ka-52 and Mi-28 in Syria is unconfirmed.

[demon1978]

Quote: Tupolev-95

And that means the news about the presence of our Ka-52 and Mi-28 in Syria is unconfirmed.

Quite possible In addition, the movie, for some reason, changed ....

[urii]

which Russia is not a believer. Here are their frames on all channels showed. To notice all the same and the area and clothes for the season. Che also say from Russia?

[tupolev-95]

And now, dear believer, tell me - where did you see the Ka-52 or Mi-28 on these frames? Or didn’t you read the article, and just to participate in the dispute?

[slaw14]

In the service, I observed the K-50 in combat conditions (tests) long before 1994. The machine made an impression on the verge of fiction. Leaning practically with his nose into the ground, he hit with missiles, abruptly flying back, delivering a subsequent blow. Until now, no helicopter can repeat such a thing - it will fall apart in the air from a blast wave. The maneuverability of this model is unlikely to happen.

[Asadullah]

There are not only bearded.
There are stupid, arrogant, thinking ..
that invincible

Many have already been mistaken about Russia ...

There 90% of those who were robbed for hundreds of years by all who went through military campaigns, because there was not enough bread from their fields, it was necessary for someone else. Looted by local princes, according to their lifestyle. Robbed by overseas owners of steamboat roads. All that was left for them was faith in the Creator and respect for the Prophet. All their education, this is literacy at the local mullah according to the Koran. All their authorities are elders. What do you want from them? Yes, a new force appeared that was able to unite them, just as poverty once united the proletariat. They also have nothing to lose except bribes and hard life from generation to generation. Someone was deceived by an imaginary fraternity, someone consciously believed in deception, and someone followed the elders. In one fell swoop, you identify everyone in the soup as a nail in the dark from a headache.

And Russia, Russia is the least there. She is trying by small means to resist the crowding out of her interests from the region, and by and large it is deeply violet to the peoples living there. There are general phrases that are as it were customary to pronounce, but in fact, none of the parties does not bring these peoples any good or hope for benevolent changes in this life.

You can kill, you can bomb, those 10% of bandits and criminals are smaller, will scatter around the world to look for new adventures on their ass, the rest will submit to force until it weakens, but nothing changes in fact. Only enlightenment can change, but the state in which the Arab enlightenment is today, this status quo will stretch for a good two hundred years.

[Sterlya]

If they are useful, why shouldn't they be there? There they should be.

[Smoked]

Mounting it. Video from Kubinka.

[vadimtt]

Yes, it's a couple of seconds with mi8 and an excursion against the backdrop of a spruce (not pine!) Forest, not from Syria at all :)

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: vadimtt

Yes, it's a couple of seconds with mi8 and an excursion against the backdrop of a spruce (not pine!) Forest, not from Syria at all :)

Yes, installation, but this does not mean that they are not there! Cars are expensive and they won’t especially draw ...

[Lyapis]

Cars are expensive and they won’t especially draw ...

Not more expensive than su-34 or su-30. And there is no point in hiding for the sake of simply hiding, the politician of the Defense Ministry is not the same now. Rather, the presence of such machines would be put on display, like: "This is what modern weapon we are hitting the igils with."
In the video from the Moscow Region and from the journalists who were at the base, these helicopters also never fell into the frame ...

[Wedmak]

against the background of spruce (not pine!) forest

Honestly, I did not understand how you identified Christmas trees instead of pines with such picture quality.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Smoked

Mounting it. Video from Kubinka.

Nothing betrayed Kubinka ... except the tails of the planes in the background.

[mirag2]

Mounting it. Video from Kubinka.

-healthy sense of humor is always out of place! +

[Tor5]

That's good! The more multipurpose equipment - the better!

[Major Yurik]

It's good to hammer Erdohryun's oil transports at night, good hunting "Night Hunter"!

[Scoun]

Quote: Major Yurik

It's good to hammer Erdohryun's oil transports at night, good hunting "Night Hunter"!

and therefore they should not have been seen in the sky of Syria ...

Previously, these helicopters were not seen in the Syrian sky.

[Monos]

There was enough for Daesh and "crocodiles". The approach to the Turks is more serious. God help the guys.

[Maksus]

Mi-28 is what you need in Syria. Armored, well armed and shallow. And the Night Hunter is generally a fairy tale - with its all-weather radar.

[Air Force captain]

The night hunter is Mi-28

[Manul]

Quote: Air Force Captain

The night hunter is Mi-28

Night hunter - Mi-28N. When it was decided which attack helicopter to choose for the army - Ka-50 or Mi-28, it was decided in favor of the first, but in order to support the Milevts, they took their car with a reservation in the modification of a night hunter. Only without a sub-radar radar is it still not the helicopter that was hoped for.

[donavi49]

Only the Ka-52 has a radar, but it only has unguided missiles and bombs from the permitted for combat aircraft.

Mi-28H has no radar.

[AlexTires]

In principle, I will not be surprised - there are plenty of goals, especially for Night Hunters ...

[vitaliy.rnd]

And why is this a surprise to someone? We need to run different equipment in combat conditions.

[kuz363]

The characteristics of the helicopters are almost similar. Only different firms. What was the reason for doing such a disagreement? Surely and the parts are different. Where is the unification of weapons, as in the west?

[Wedmak]

The characteristics of the helicopters are almost similar.

Do they resemble figs if different rotor circuits are used?

What reason was there to do so much discord?

Reason is very, very there. They have a different purpose. And the possibilities are different.

Where is the unification of weapons, as in the west?

And in the West, is such a unified whole armament straight?

[Maksus]

The characteristics are really similar, but the Mi-28 is simpler and cheaper precisely because of the scheme. As I understand it - alligators were planned for the Mistral and everything, but Mi-28 to the army aviation, no?

[Wedmak]

The characteristics are really similar, but the Mi-28 is simpler and cheaper precisely because of the scheme.

Not really. Ka-52 due to the coaxial scheme has great maneuverability and can fly in the highlands. Mostly focused on unexpected point strikes. A sort of special forces air. Plus can control the Mi-shek link. Mi-28H is simpler, stronger armored. This is a battlefield helicopter. Its task is similar to the Mi-24, to fly into pieces and topple everything.

As I understand it, the Alligators were planned for the Mistral and that’s all

No, the land-based Ka-52 had already been delivered when the order came to make the naval version. They did the Katran. The differences are obvious and visible - folding main rotor, reduced side pylons, anti-corrosion treatment, etc.

[NEXUS]

Quote: Maksus

As I understand it - Alligators were planned for the Mistrals

This is not entirely true. The Alligator is an attack helicopter, conceived as a command module that controls a group of helicopters such as the MI-28 "Night Hunter". And when the story with the Mistrals began, they decided to create a ship version of the Alligator-KA-52K.

[Koshak]

Quote: Maksus

As far as I understand, alligators were planned for the Mistral and that’s all, but Mi-28 to the army aviation, no?

Ka-52 "Alligator" was created when there was no talk of any "Mistrals" yet. And it is for army aviation.

[Lex69Rus]

Their armament is one and the same; it was one and the same thing. The schemes are different yes. The Americans have one Apache percussion and somehow missing. The logic of loading the factories is unclear, the same error the USSR factory to have jobs and how it all ended. With an extremely limited budget, you need maximum returns and savings. The Ka-52 is an absolutely dark horse, it is unclear how it will behave in real hostilities, otherwise it will turn out that we will have 100 unsuccessful helicopters for someone who received sn yes. And I didn’t write that helicopters can be deployed at different angles-52 with an eye on the Mi-28 marines on the ground army. Now complete uncertainty

[St Petrov]

Both models are good, two factories at work. Twice as many people are provided with salaries and social programs - twice as much equipment over a period of time.

Time is not easy, they will not be superfluous, the State order is provided with money.

We sell alligators to Egypt, Mi-28 to other countries in the Arab region - all the way through. CSTO will help with orders. Thailand and other countries in the Asian region are still eyeing. I think if they are really transferred to Syria, then there will be good advertising and more orders.

Well, ideally, after the collapse of the United States, we will deliver these models to Texas

[Wiruz]

The reason is to provide Kamovtsev and Milevtsev with orders. Workers are also people, they also want to eat.

No, initially it seemed like they planned to make the Mi-28N the main attack vehicle of the Army Aviation, and buy the Ka-52 in small quantities and use it only in areas where the previous one would feel "uncomfortable" (mountainous terrain, difficult weather conditions, etc.). But, in the end, they began to massively purchase both cars.

[tomket]

Quote: Wiruz

Initially, it seemed like they planned to make the Mi-28N the main strike machine of the Army Aviation,

The original plan was for the Mi-28 to be exported to third countries.

Quote: Wiruz

and Ka-52 should be purchased in small quantities and used only in areas where the previous one will feel "uncomfortable"

And they planned to make the Ka-50 the main helicopter.

Quote: Wiruz

But, in the end, they began to massively purchase both cars.

But in the end, Mil’s lobbying, and in particular the director of the Rostov plant, was sold by the Mi-28, and hacked the ka-50. in the end, we have Ka-52 and mi-28 that lose Ka-50.

[Wedmak]

in the end, we have Ka-52 and mi-28 that lose Ka-50.

I do not agree with this.

[Wiruz]

Where does the Ka-52 lose before the Ka-50?

Only in the title, because "Black Shark" sounds nicer than "Alligator"

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Wiruz

Where does the Ka-52 lose before the Ka-50?

Speed, armor, a mass of weapons and most importantly - the price. The Ka-50 is a tank, and the Ka-52 is a control vehicle, for which it was developed.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: kuz363

The characteristics of the helicopters are almost similar. Only different firms. What was the reason for doing such a discord?

Because the process of developing and fine-tuning them was quite complicated, and the MO decided not to put all their eggs in one basket. Moreover, MO is also "travel card bought"- bought the good old Mi-35 along with the new machines.

The second reason for the parallel purchase of the Mi-28 and Ka-52 is that it allows the factories to be loaded to the maximum and does not waste time on re-equipment of production for the production of a "foreign" machine. Because we delayed the development and serial production so much that new helicopters were needed not only "yesterday" - but 10 years ago!

As for the different types ... it is not only for helicopter pilots. Alas, the situation in the military-industrial complex resembles the tank building of the times of the USSR (or Reich in the 30s - 40s): each of the plants drives its own model and it will take a long and expensive time to rebuild under the other. A new technique is needed quickly and a lot.
As a result, for example, the Air Force buys 2 modifications of the Su-30 - since they have already been mastered in the series. And in the fleet, each shipyard builds its own version of a ship of the same class ...

[Lex69Rus]

New helicopters are so directly needed that Mi-24 is fighting in Syria. The logic is iron.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leks69Rus

New helicopters are so directly needed that Mi-24 is fighting in Syria. The logic is iron.

That is why the Mi-24s are fighting in Syria because the new helicopters of the Russian Armed Forces received too late.

[Taygerus]

give GOD without loss to our children. If this is true, here are the Basmachs gifts for the new year, let them rejoice that they will be sent to the bar with their high-tech helicopters to Ale

[moskowit]

It was not, it was not ... Now they will be! And if, indeed, no, then we need to be ...

[Simon]

It’s wonderful that the bandits will never have peace, they will find death everywhere, they will be beaten everywhere and always, wherever they hide, even by day, even at night, even on the ground, even in bunkers underground.

[Sars]

Judging by the latest information from Turks, Saudis and the company, it’s not necessary to drive alligators, but to calm them down with atomic charges.

[ydjin]

Anyway, while the Ka-52 and Mi-28 are not in Syria, it’s a pity!

[dchegrinec]

Helicopters are just super! In Syria, they can be substantially modified during operation.

[jetfors_84]

Yesterday they wrote already. ???

[Lex69Rus]

In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52. Indeed, many experts pointed to the overwhelming variety of military equipment in the Soviet army. This led to a complication of maintenance, the need for different spare parts, and training of different crews. But the USSR was a superpower and could afford it. The new Russia does not have such resources, however, we immediately purchase 3 types of attack helicopters and it is completely unclear which one is better. Moreover, for example, the Mi-28 was not brought to full condition without providing its over-radar radar. Although it is in this form, it can work at night. By my logic, the ka-52 would look great like an attack helicopter for the marines, based on the BDK and helicopter carriers, as well as on other warships with a helipad. Well, the land version attributed to the Marine Corps is also not bad. Mi-28 is the main attack helicopter of our army, finally bring to mind the radar and put on all previously released and new ones. Pretty logical and everyone is happy. Mi-35 at rest and only for export as an inexpensive attack helicopter. And now it is not clear that there are more than 200 newest helicopters in service (mi-35 is about 30, mi-28 is more than 90 and ka-52 is more than 70, and in Syria, the grandfather is a crocodile, about which it has already been learned by heart.

[tomket]

Quote: Leks69Rus

Already 4x attack helicopters are overkill: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52. Indeed, many experts pointed to the overwhelming variety of military equipment in the Soviet army.

In aviation, about the same. They buy a family massively similar in purpose.
Dry, but different plants and, as a result, differing from each other.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leks69Rus

In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52.

Mi-24 and Mi-35 are one and the same family.

Quote: Leks69Rus

The new Russia does not have such resources, however, we immediately purchase 3 types of attack helicopters and it is completely unclear which one is better.

But there is no choice: new helicopters are needed a lot and urgently.
And we, roughly speaking, have 2 factories, each of which is sharpened for a specific model of technology. Rebuild production, retrain staff, re-establish the series - long and expensive. A technique is needed Here and now - The resource of the Soviet sides is not eternal.

Plus, to the last it was not clear which of the new cars could be brought to mind. So far, they are equally raw. Until now, for example, there are problems with launching NAR on hovering. That is why the Ministry of Defense has insured itself and has also purchased the Mi-35.

[Lex69Rus]

Just about now and disagrees a lot. In modern warfare, helicopters do not play the first violin, and even not the second. Aircraft with precision guns and attack drones. Have you ever seen an Apache flying in flocks of ala mi-2 and firing at Nursa? No. Chasing Aboriginal people is enough and Mi-24 of which are still more than 24 in service. And against the enemy, even with man-portable complexes, the MANPADS are already a lot of difficulties. So there is no rush here. Mi-200 by the way is a symbiosis of 35ki and 24th. Half-breed. We need more clarity with the future fleet of our helicopters. Ka-28 is a dark horse in general.

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leks69Rus

Just about now and disagrees a lot. In modern warfare, helicopters do not play the first violin, and even not the second.

There has not yet been a modern war. What we have been seeing for the last couple of decades is police operations conducted with the full technical and quantitative superiority of the party conducting them. And in them helicopters are used very widely - since even for the USA it is too expensive to spend a rocket on every woman.

Quote: Leks69Rus

Have you ever seen an Apache flying in flocks of ala mi-24 and firing at Nursa?

The Apache group is Iraq. And they did not work there from long distances - the returning Apaches regularly brought holes from the shooter.
It's also a good idea to look at the numbers of Apaches in the US Armed Forces. And the year of their release or upgrades.

Quote: Leks69Rus

Chasing Aboriginal people is enough and Mi-24 of which are still more than 200 in service.

And who still remember the restructuring and dear Mikhail Sergeyevich. In fact, our army aviation until recently flew on the same types of machines that were used back in Afghanistan. And which were produced back in the USSR or on his orders. And for which the Soviet Army still required a replacement.
These machines need to be changed urgently - otherwise our army aviation will switch to "on-foot-flying" flights. We have actually lost 20 years of systematic renewal of the army aviation fleet.

[Koshak]

Quote: Leks69Rus

In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52.

Mi-35 is an export version of Mi-24

[Alexey RA]

Quote: Leks69Rus

And now it is not clear that there are more than 200 newest helicopters in service (mi-35 is about 30, mi-28 is more than 90 and ka-52 is more than 70, and in Syria, the grandfather is a crocodile, about which it has already been learned by heart.

Not everything is so simple.

The hardest thing was to retrain on the Mi-28N, the helicopter is new, has practically nothing to do with the 24, the helicopter has one control, only the helicopter commander, unlike the two on the Mi-24. If on the Mi-24 you can conduct control flights, where the instructor will tell you something during the flight, in an emergency, take control, then on the 28th this cannot be done. This is due to the presence of different types of helicopters in the troops: while there is no training Mi-28UB, we will learn to fly on the Mi-24, Mi-35M.
(...)
Mi-28:
- Yes, the work of the gun with hovering, guided missiles to let him. And with the "35-x" hovering allowed already. They began to work more on hovering, namely a cannon. On the Mi-24, this was impossible to do, because the gun was rigidly fixed and for its rotation it was necessary to turn the whole helicopter. NAR while it is impossible to shoot with hovering.
(...)
- Hmm ... Probably, to just cure all childhood diseases of the machine. The helicopter from series to series is becoming more reliable, but I would like it to be completed more efficiently. For example, there used to be a problem with gearboxes. Very warm, there was a bad airflow, poor cooling of the oil. Finished. Overheated ceased.

In short, the helicopter is new, it’s difficult to retrain on it, and, despite 5 years of operation, it still needs improvements.
Plus problems with weapons. NAR from hanging is impossible to work. Release ATGM disrupted. And what - will we send a ganship to Syria?

According to Ka-52, the problems are the same. Retraining on the coaxial scheme, problems with NAR and ATGM.

[Dam]

And we have a pancake, time 2 cars. Just choose how to unify everything. It’s just that the ass is already burning, it stinks in the air of war. Not to fat, we drive everything that we have time

[Engineer]

And where were they when they looked for our navigator? So it wasn’t. This means an increase in the deployment by the Turks of their armored vehicles at the border, which is logical, since the Mi-28 is primarily an anti-tank helicopter.

[Lex69Rus]

The Mi-28 is an all-weather army attack helicopter, created taking into account the shortcomings of the Mi-24 and is designed for the same tasks, but it should be much better

[azesm]

Is someone interested in alternative points of view on the war in Syria?
without cheers-patriotism and illusions?
http://historyndex.com/page-history/rasshirenie--2--/

[Forest]

The position of the all-prowler is also far from reality.

[AID.S]

For better or worse, we are getting more and more involved in Syria. I hope there is a strategy in this matter, and not just tactics.

[Vikings]

First of all, we defend our interests in Syria. If not in
courses? That Daesh, declared Russia among his priorities!
So what to meet, this black international is on the verge
of their home, they were not better off crushing them far from their threshold.

[Lord_Sita]

And why are our fighters not in "Ratniki" and not with new "fancy" Kalash?

[Wolka]

this is good news, but the Turks blocking the Bosphorus are doing everything to strangle and prevent the Russian VKS group from working in Syria, all to give an opportunity to regroup the Daesh, to lick the wounds and hide from their odious leaders still alive ...

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Quote: Volka

this is good news, but the Turks blocking the Bosphorus are doing everything to strangle and prevent the Russian VKS group from working in Syria, all to give an opportunity to regroup the Daesh, to lick the wounds and hide from their odious leaders still alive ...

Well, Russia is not the first time to face such difficulties ... After all, we will break through? Or are we not Russians?

[Ezhaak]

Quote: MIKHAN

Well, Russia is not the first time to face such difficulties.

But the card seems to be lying. From Latakia to the nearest point of the border with the Turks, 22 km does not work in any way. In the nearest place, about 44 km. And those googles didn't tell, by chance, where will the second air base be?

[lis-ik]

No one has blocked anything yet, this is a throw-in from the ukrosmi for the 29th, according to "Vesti FM" they have already answered in detail about this, all the ships at the moment are quietly following the Bosphorus.

[OlegLex]

Syria now needs a lot of things, and if we hold a high sky for the Syrian army there, you can certainly think about keeping low altitudes, only now you forget that Shusha has air defense systems that have a defeat height of up to two kilometers, and that’s means that our pilots will suffer inevitable losses. I think that we will not lay our own in Syrian land, there is nothing to it. we are not fighting for the Syrians, we are fighting along with them as military support, in order to stop the enemy at distant frontiers.

[Nikolay71]

The war on BV flares up more and more. So the Turks on the border with Syria are focusing, and soon the Germans will catch up. So, there is nothing surprising if ours really threw new helicopters.

[Bort radist]

In the news they write - they are preparing the second VKS base in Shairat, 35 km from Homs. Grouping will be brought to 100 units. Ours have already used Shairat as a jump airfield. 45 fortified aircraft hangars. On November 17, 2015, during a video presentation of the Ministry of Defense, a map was shown on which the positions of the 5th howitzer artillery battery of the 120th Guards Artillery Brigade of the Russian Army deployed in the area since November 6 were marked near Shairat base. It is also noticeable on the map that from exactly the same moment in time (14:00, November 6), four Mi-24 attack helicopters and one Mi-8 transport helicopter were placed at the Shairat airfield, their affiliation was not established.

[qwert]

In Aviation and Cosmonautics in 2015, a series of articles about Ka-50 / 52 was published and continues to be published. In general, Compare Ka-52 and Mi-28 is not worth it. Mi-28, even for the end of the 80's, was not an advanced machine. And Ka-5 today is a unique machine. The difference between them is both between T-62 and T-64.

[BULLIT]

These are pictures from the CUBE !!!

[newcomer]

you need to try out all new equipment, as well as old new ones. for example t 54/55 with a mounted dz and a thrush system. why should they gather dust in storage? instead they deposited tons 72, purchasing a breakthrough for the army tons 90 am.

[tolmachiev51]

There is an option to test the equipment in combat conditions !!! so why not take advantage. Developers will add work, because paper TTX is paper.

[ANANATOLY PAULOV]

THE LORD DOESN'T NEED TO ARGUE. PICTURES SHOWN IN THE ARABIAN TV CHRONICLE - INSERT TAKEN FROM THE FOOTAGE TAKEN IN OCTOBER 2013 IN BUTURLINOVKA. TO BECOME THERE ARE VISIBLE "TAILS" TU-154 AND IL-18. THEY WERE SHOWN IN THE NEWS ON "ZVEZDA" IN THE SAME YEAR.

[tupolev-95]

Well, that’s good. I, however, incorrectly determined the airplane models in Buturlinovka.

[mvg]

Quote: Leks69Rus

In general, it seems to me that the presence in the army of as many as 4 attack helicopters is too much: mi-24, mi-35, mi-28 and ka-52. Indeed, many experts pointed to the overwhelming variety of military equipment in the Soviet army. This led to a complication of maintenance, the need for different spare parts, and training of different crews. But the USSR was a superpower and could afford it. The new Russia does not have such resources, however, we immediately purchase 3 types of attack helicopters and it is completely unclear which one is better. Moreover, for example, the Mi-28 was not brought to full condition without providing its over-radar radar. Although it is in this form, it can work at night. By my logic, the ka-52 would look great like an attack helicopter for the marines, based on the BDK and helicopter carriers, as well as on other warships with a helipad. Well, the land version attributed to the Marine Corps is also not bad. Mi-28 is the main attack helicopter of our army, finally bring to mind the radar and put on all previously released and new ones. Pretty logical and everyone is happy. Mi-35 at rest and only for export as an inexpensive attack helicopter. And now it is not clear that there are more than 200 newest helicopters in service (mi-35 is about 30, mi-28 is more than 90 and ka-52 is more than 70, and in Syria, the grandfather is a crocodile, about which it has already been learned by heart.

All honestly. Only diversity is not from a good life. Not entirely applicable to the option when in the USSR there were MBT T-64, T-80, T-72 and T-90. At the same time, everything is different, from hodovka to the OMS. Kharkov, Tagil, Leningrad. Quiet horror.
With the turntables, it turned out that the successful Mi-24, in time, due to 90 years, did not change to the Mi-28. Wild lack of money. Mi-35 - was planned only for export, not all potential buyers liked the transport compartment in the attack helicopter. On the goat’s heel button accordion.
Ka-50 and Ka-52. Well, there was an article ... Cool turntables, of the same class as the Mi-24 and Mi-28, for good reason both design bureaus participated in the tender of the aircraft. Each design bureau has its own lobby (well, how could it be without it). Ka, like a car, is objectively better, but more expensive .. Mil has his own advantage. As a result, we chose, as always, the Solomon solution: We take EVERYTHING!
By the way, my opinion is that the Mi-28 would have looked better on Misralki. It's just that KB Kamov has more experience in creating "hot" versions. Yes, and Mi more go to the army.
PS: In my understanding, the Mi-35 can only be exported (also a double-edged sword, because they don’t want to buy something that is not in their own aircraft).
And leave the 28th and 52nd in our aircraft. Mi-24 to upgrade and sell to Iraq and Syria. There are now these turntables, oh, how necessary .. And they will not be "merged" anywhere else. Wealthy sheikhs rightly prefer LongBow and Tiger. China makes its own turntables. The Asia-Pacific countries are also closer to the United States.

Anyway, I like small aircraft, but they are well and modernly armed, mobile, professional. Kueva a cloud of money in the country allocated to the Armed Forces is simply stolen .. At the level of generals, colonels. In this case, to the sergeant, there are simply crumbs.
Ahead of the planet is the total number of generals.