Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool

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Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu explained directly what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that the Russians should be cool. Speaking about the special economic measures of the Russian Federation undertaken in relation to the Republic of Turkey, he noted that not only Turkey has interests in Russia, but Moscow is also economically dependent on Ankara.

Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool


28 November, Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the use of special economic measures against Turkey. The president introduced banning or restricting Turkish organizations to work in Russia, importing certain types of goods from Turkey and decided to suspend visa-free agreements between the two countries (from January 1, 2016).

“To establish that tour operators and travel agents should refrain from selling to the citizens of the Russian Federation a tourist product involving visiting the territory of the Republic of Turkey,” the decree says.

In addition, the government is instructed to “take measures to impose a ban on charter flights between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey”.

Recall that Turkish President R. T. Erdogan did not make a formal apology to Russia for the Su-24 plane shot down by the Turkish Air Force on the Syrian border. Last Saturday, only the expression “disappointment” from this incident was heard from his mouth, the newspaper "Sight".

Another representative of the highest authorities of Turkey, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, seemed to have taken to compete with the president in the rigidity and categoricalness of the statements.

After meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, held on November 30 in Brussels, the Turkish Prime Minister said that before the incident with the Su-24 Russia had been informed three times about the principles of the protection of Turkish airspace. Then Davutoglu directly said that the violation of the air borders of Turkey are violations of the borders of NATO.

More militant statements followed. They are quoted TASS.

Turkey will not apologize to anyone for defending its borders, Ahmet Davutoglu said.

“Protection of national borders is not only the right of Turkey, but also the responsibility of its government, of which I am the head. This is one of the main tasks of the government. Therefore, no one has the right to expect an apology from us for defending our airspace, ”the premier said.

As for Russia's economic reaction (in the form of sanctions) to an incident in the sky, the Turkish prime minister explained everything the day before: he made it clear that the Russians were behaving incorrectly.

On November 29, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that Ankara expects Moscow to take more cold-blooded actions.

"It is not only about Turkish economic interests, Russia also has economic interests in Turkey," Davutoglu quotes "Deutsche Welle" About the reference to Bloomberg.

At the same time, Davutoglu noted that his priority task is to reduce tensions between states and prevent repeated incidents.

According to the Turkish Prime Minister, the priority for Ankara is to maintain open communications with Russia and coordinate activities in Syria. In his opinion, the crash with the aircraft showed that "the air operations of two separate coalitions in the same space can always lead to similar incidents."

Thus, let us add on our own, Ankara made it clear to Moscow that “repeated incidents” are quite possible if the Russians continue to persist and beat the militants with a “separate coalition”. Here the American line is easily visible: there can be only one coalition, and only the United States can lead it. Turkey is a member of NATO and has its own interests in the region, and Russia will have to reckon with them.

It is obvious that Davutoglu and Erdogan behave defiantly precisely because they feel behind their backs the power of NATO and the overseas hegemon, whose political interests in the Middle East largely coincide with the Turkish strategy. Ankara wants to overthrow B. Assad in Syria. Back in 2013, the warlike Erdogan called out the legitimate president of Syria is a “butcher” and a “murderer,” so the Turkish perseverance and belligerence should not be surprised.

The White House has forgotten about its recent statements - that Assad should remain in power for some time, and then there will be elections and the “transitional political process” will begin. Today, Obama, known for his selective memory and commitment to double standards, is again in favor of Assad’s departure.

November 30 Barack Obama met with Vladimir Putin in Paris, on the margins of a conference on climate change. A White House spokesman told Reuters that President Obama, in a conversation with Putin, insisted on leaving Bashar Assad from his post.

So, the motto of Hillary Clinton "Assad must go" again in action. This predictable turn in foreign American policy undoubtedly inspired both militant Erdogan and his political partner Davutoglu. Pointing to NATO and explaining to the Russians everything about the Turkish border, the latter also criticized the economic measures taken by President Putin against the Republic of Turkey. Neither Erdogan nor Davutoglu seems to be willing to understand that the friendship with Russia to Turkey would be beneficial in every sense, but the “partnership” with IG, whose fighters quietly walk back and forth across the said Turkish border and haggle over the cheap smuggled oil will not bring Ankara to anything good.

Radical Islamism, today at war with Assad, tomorrow will turn against Erdogan and his minions. In the United States, Islamists, too, will not forget to strike. Historical examples are available. Nevertheless, Turks and Americans continue to divide the terrorists into good and bad - and even do oil business with some of them.

A few words in conclusion.

On November 30, deputies of the Turkish parliament passed a vote of confidence in the new government of the republic. On the vote in the Majlis in support of the Cabinet, formed by Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, 315 from the 550 deputies spoke, reports TASS.

The agency reminds that following the results of the parliamentary elections held a month ago, the Justice and Development Party (its chairman - A. Davutoglu) regained its ruling status and the right to independently form a cabinet. According to the constitution, the new government will work for four years.

Thus, parliamentarians, though not by an overwhelming majority, expressed approval of the aggressive line that Davutoglu and Erdogan pursue in their foreign policy.

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    1. +27
      2 December 2015 05: 29
      Radical Islamism, today at war with Assad, tomorrow will turn against Erdogan and his minions

      All these religions are just an excuse, an external wrapper based on the controllability of society in order to obtain the final result, that is, benefits to those who really manage these processes. What is happening in Turkey is the result of a game of interested people who naturally play on their selfish interests.
      1. +5
        2 December 2015 05: 41
        double standards in action ..
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          1. +26
            2 December 2015 08: 22
            For a long time it was already necessary to understand that until the West gets its teeth from us, it will dictate its conditions to us. And we continue to idealize them all. Did not expect this, did not expect that ... We must prepare for the worst!
            1. +8
              2 December 2015 09: 17
              Quote: 1976AG
              . We must prepare for the worst!

              So they push us to this worst. What will happen in the event of a military otvetka of the Russian Federation in Turkey? The United States claps its hands, saying that what is needed is that they just need a brake, or a weight on our foot, so that we could not go up economically, only war can slow us down. Well, the United States, as always (1st and 2nd world wars) will raise its economy higher while the lackeys are fighting.
              We cannot go into open confrontation, we, as a great country, can afford, respond quietly, and with a cold dish.
              And about Davutoglu's statement, wishful thinking, it would be necessary for Erdogan and Co. to have a cool head, and not to run like hysterics around the "offices" of NATO partners.
              1. +7
                2 December 2015 09: 28
                Believe me, if an excuse is needed to start a war, they will find it! Just as if they want to avoid war, they will also find a way to settle it. They will not reckon with you only if they are confident in your weakness and your impunity!
              2. +3
                3 December 2015 02: 57
                That would be funny - don't be so honest ...

                Parody of Erdogan: "... I joked about the attack on the Russians ... turn Tarkan in!"
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            3. +7
              2 December 2015 09: 30
              Do you propose to start a war? Not economic, which is quite acceptable and desirable, but real, with the use of conventional weapons. Well, Turkey is a NATO member, and NATO is backed by the States, which are just waiting for the opportunity to bring the relations of the whole world with Russia and its allied countries not to the boiling point, but to the point of no return - when a peaceful solution to the issue is no longer possible. And this war (which is already underway, but only "cold", mainly in the information field) will become "hot", and after the inevitable use of weapons of mass destruction (so far, the forces of Russia and the CSTO in conventional weapons are incomparable with NATO + the United States, therefore, sooner or late, when the question arises of simply perishing or perishing, taking with him to a better world and the enemy, the entire arsenal of Russia will be used) - very "hot", after which hardly anyone will be able to discuss sitting in a comfortable chair at the computer and hanging in Internet - there will be no armchair, no computer, no Internet, and there will be no familiar world either.
              We need to think a little before writing such comments and pouring water on the mill of a geopolitical rival, making a move on his side in the information war.
              I have the honor.
              PS And Davutoglu can cram his advice to the same place where Obama condolences over the downed Su-24.
              1. +10
                2 December 2015 09: 50
                Only now the Turks are not afraid of nuclear war and calmly shoot down our plane, but we are. This means they will continue to kill our military until we get out of Syria, and after that they will start killing them in Crimea and elsewhere, and we will sit at computers on the Internet and tell each other that we do not want a "hot" war and how good it is to "sit at the computer on the Internet."
              2. +1
                2 December 2015 21: 17
                I agree with you Alexander 72

                Unfortunately, we are not the USSR, and Russia with the entire CSTO is several times weaker in conventional weapons than NATO and the United States. Strategic Nuclear Forces keep the aggressor from direct attack on all of us - but in regional conflicts outside of Russia or the territory of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, provocations and aggression can be expected - it’s not necessary to cheek here - but to think through every step
            4. +4
              2 December 2015 10: 01
              Quote: 1976AG
              For a long time it was already necessary to understand that until the West gets its teeth from us, it will dictate its conditions to us. And we continue to idealize them all. Did not expect this, did not expect that ... We must prepare for the worst!

              Well, we gave them the teeth 70 years ago, so what? It would seem that they should acquire strong immunity from Russophobia, revenge and neo-Nazism, but apparently history does not teach them anything.
              It is also not necessary to simplify the history of Russia after 1991. Yes, then, a part of the population had euphoria that now there is no confrontation between the USSR and the United States and ..... Our home-grown liberals and reformers Gaidar stupidly surrendered Russia and its interests, without bothering with the loss of sovereignty. accounting thinking is of little interest other than numbers. When it became clear that all the imposed "partnership" is a one-sided game, in 2007 Putin expressed the idea of ​​the multipolarity of the world and in 2008 we were tested for "lice" through Georgia. In fact, since 2007, the West has been strenuously pursuing a line to undermine Russia from all directions. So it cannot be said that we did not expect. They expected and began to reform the army and upgrade weapons at an accelerated pace. For everything about everything, 9 years. Few of course - it was necessary earlier. At the same time, they received two advantages - it became harder for the liberals to "breathe" in terms of pursuing a policy aimed at the collapse of Russia, and society begins to believe that Russia can stand up for itself. It is already clear that peace will not come by itself. The hybrid war should go into a hot stage. If in 2008 they used Georgia, now they probably throw Turkey to the slaughter.
              1. +2
                2 December 2015 10: 21
                Unfortunately, immunity is lost over the years. This is confirmed not only by Turkey, but also by the revival of fascism. There is a need for vaccinations. It can also do without a global war, because not only the war, but its real expectation (what if tomorrow begins) teaches us to value life. The instinct of self-preservation is the only thing that can save the world.
            5. +1
              2 December 2015 14: 28
              All these aggressive lines were not for the first time for Turkey and they did not bring to any good! First, at all times there was harsh rhetoric, then a declaration of war and receipt of "mustals in small and large bills"!
          2. +3
            2 December 2015 09: 07
            And what is the real answer - war? Russia has already done much more than expected. It is necessary to consider all factors, and not be guided by desires alone. For example, we help Syria, not just protect our borders. Betrayal is never expected. And under no circumstances can one get excited - our economy does not yet allow this.
            But there is still Crimea, Donbass.
            1. +2
              2 December 2015 09: 15
              I believe that a retaliatory strike against the Turkish Air Force base would not lead to war, but would make it clear that the response to an attack on our military would be instantaneous and no one would look after such an attack as a NATO member, an aggressor country or not. As for "the economy does not allow", then it was necessary to think about it before climbing into Syria, and since we got there, there is now nothing to remember about the economy with Crimea and Donbass. It is our inaction in response to aggression that is the direct road to the loss of Crimea and Donbass.
              1. +3
                2 December 2015 10: 47
                Apparently the General Staff officers of the Moscow Region consider it differently than we do. Not to mention the fact that the air group was created in Syria not at all for attacks on bases in Turkey.
                1. 0
                  2 December 2015 11: 28
                  Cruise missiles are used for strikes against highly protected targets, in particular "Calibers", X555 and X101. They were actually created for this very purpose, and not for striking barmaley in the deserts.
              2. -1
                2 December 2015 11: 33
                I wrote a similar article in one article and got minus 65! you can't tell the truth here! here you just need to shout the glory of RUSSIA! that the censor is here, the same pisyun but only in the other palm!
                1. +6
                  2 December 2015 11: 51
                  Don't you give a damn about all those "-65s" if you think you're right?
                  1. +1
                    2 December 2015 12: 03
                    I don’t care. I’m just in fact. I already have a minus 130 and it’s funny to me how they try to punish a person like that. Just like politicians do in Russia. They’re your plane and you forbid them to supply tangerines and underpants.
                    1. 0
                      2 December 2015 23: 28
                      Quote: DOMINO100
                      I don’t care. I’m just in fact. I already have a minus 130 and it’s funny to me how they try to punish a person like that. Just like politicians do in Russia. They’re your plane and you forbid them to supply tangerines and underpants.


                      Do you propose to gasp? Volfovich has already suggested an option. One bomb and the question is closed. And then what?
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                    3. 0
                      11 January 2016 21: 33
                      don’t teach us how to live, our English friend, better help financially. I'll put a plus.
                    4. -1
                      11 January 2016 21: 33
                      don’t teach us how to live, our English friend, better help financially. I'll put a plus.
            2. +10
              2 December 2015 09: 23
              Yes, where does the betrayal !? Didn’t our leadership know about Turkey’s connection with terrorists ??? Including the fraud with oil !? And since she knew, on the basis of which they trusted the Turks and turned their backs on them !? Or before that, they didn’t receive from them? As for the war, NATO and Turkey do not need it either (I hope). But history teaches us that if you do not fight back, it gives rise to a sense of permissiveness and does not guarantee the avoidance of war (remember the 1941th). And rebuff is not necessarily a declaration of war.
            3. +6
              2 December 2015 09: 34
              Yes, there will be no war, if the Westerners value something in this world, it is their life and their well-being. Not tired of intimidating yourself with "war"?
              1. +1
                2 December 2015 09: 44
                That's the point! If Europe is terrified, America is on the drum (they are overseas). Europe will carry the chestnuts - the theater of war and confrontation will be in the old world ... and the emigrants (migrants) will swim to mainland America, or they will themselves.
                1. +2
                  2 December 2015 11: 34
                  Is Europe terrified? Yes, they just mock us. Look at the speeches of the NATO Secretary General, they fully support Turkey, not a single country, the EU member has condemned the actions of Turkey and did not offer to put pressure on her to apologize to Russia. On the contrary, according to RBC, the EU compensates Turkey for losses from Russian sanctions, Spain sends its air defense systems to Turkey, and Britain sends planes. Where do you see the horror of the EU?
                  1. 0
                    2 December 2015 15: 43
                    The EU is terrified of refugees and possible terrorist attacks. She was held hostage by US policy. All these provocations (Georgia, Ukraine, etc.) are aimed at "pushing back" (driving a wedge) the EU and the Russian Federation (EAEU). To drive a wedge between global EURASIA and its self-sufficiency - the United States will remain on the periphery of world trade.
                    Turkey (or rather its leaders, after all, I do not want to put equality between the people and the government) has become another provocation. By responding globally (war or military action), the United States will make Russia a demon and Satan. Therefore, it is obvious that Russia did not use all its capabilities for sanctions against Erdogan's Turkey. He will also embark on "all serious", and so the Kremlin left another "package of next measures" so that Erdogan understood what he might expect in case of another provocation.
                    Erdogan & Co. it remains only to "bazaar". The Russian Federation did not succumb to provocation and ... the overseas curators seem to me to be depressed - in response, they received a full-fledged base of the Russian Federation at their side. hi
                    1. 0
                      2 December 2015 18: 12
                      Wake up already. It’s enough to represent the EU as poor and unhappy, which the United States forces breaking its hands to kick Russia. This is far from the case. I think on many issues it is the EU that is putting pressure on the United States, forcing them to confront Russia.
                      1. -1
                        2 December 2015 23: 34
                        Quote: passerby1

                        passerby1


                        Today, 18: 12

                        ↑ ↓


                        Wake up already. It’s enough to represent the EU as poor and unhappy, which the United States forces breaking its hands to kick Russia. This is far from the case. I think on many issues it is the EU that is putting pressure on the United States, forcing them to confront Russia.


                        You can think anything, just don’t need to pass it off as truth in the first instance. Where did you get the information from the TV? Have you ever been to pin.dosia, Europe?
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                    2. -1
                      2 December 2015 20: 02
                      Quote: Kasym
                      Responding globally (war or military action), the United States will expose Russia as a demon and Satan.
                      - welcome! In my opinion, in this world they still respect brute and uncouth power. And if so, then you need to do this EVERYWHERE AND ALWAYS!
                      For Putin, it seems to me, this little thing from childhood is to endure and respond only when you already endure unbearable ... I can grab minuses here, but I can’t escape from the facts. Here is the beating of the Russian ambassador in Qatar, and the killing of Russian border guards by the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Right Sector at the height of the war in Ukraine ... Here again the direct clash of the Crimean border guards with the right-wingers is exaggerated until the exchange of fire on the Crimean-Ukrainian border. The situation with the SU-24 is from the same area.
                      Personally, it seems to me - pragmatism is good, but a tough emotional response in hot pursuit is still preferable. For now it’s already visible - if Ukraine would have given a proper answer in response to the murders of border guards in the Rostov Region, namely, comparing part of Kiev with the land, that’s exactly what! NOT LESS, or even the whole of Kiev in ruin - now this SU-24 would be afraid to shoot down! I definitely say that!
                      Mlyn, Putin here about the streets of St. Petersburg learned only one lesson - hit first if the fights cannot be avoided. I came from Alma-Ata streets (at one time we had tough streets. We divided and quarreled into districts) I made another. You can’t beat first! - when disassembling with the participation of the cops, it was important. It is better to be prepared for an enemy strike, to make sure that he would still hit first, but at the same time he could not inflict anything serious, in short, when he hits, play with his head so that the blow is greatly weakened.
                      But this is not the main thing in your behavior on the street! The main thing is - for any provocations, not even any, for any most innocuous jokes addressed to you personally - the face of someone who dares to pin you INTO TRUCK! Immediately! Or tomorrow you will be pinned up and then they will generally "LOWER". Putin is lying something about the street - nifiga he is not "street". If he was, he would know that "restraint" in killing Russian border guards by some in the future will lead to the destruction of the Russian bomber by others. Now we are waiting for the destruction of the ship, alas ...
                      And there is no need to prove that street morals are somewhat different from big-time politics. I have been following politics for many years - DOES NOT DIFFERENT! All the same. The Russian bomber, with all due respect to Putin, is personally his fault. The local forum users called for a tough response even when the ambassador was beaten in Qatar - Putin said nothing. A thread comes from there and out of nowhere else! Wait for the liquidation of the ship.
                      1. -1
                        2 December 2015 23: 39
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Now we are waiting for the destruction of the ship, alas ... And there is no need to prove that street morals are somewhat different from big-time politics. I have been following politics for many years - DOES NOT DIFFERENT! All the same. The Russian bomber, with all due respect to Putin, is personally his fault. The local forum users called for a tough response even when the ambassador was beaten in Qatar - Putin said nothing. A thread comes from there and out of nowhere else! Wait for the liquidation of the ship.


                        Vanguet? And Putin blundered, of course, the forum users didn’t listen. Everything was gone, again, a thread from there, wait for the ship to be eliminated, aksakal. I hope I have to wait a long time.
                        1. 0
                          3 December 2015 16: 57
                          Quote: navigator
                          Vanguet? And Putin blundered, of course, the forum users didn’t listen. Everything was gone, again, a thread from there, wait for the ship to be eliminated, aksakal. I hope I have to wait a long time.

                          - I hope too ... But you need to answer toughly for any, and you see it right in the present tense. I repeat, there would have been a tough response to the killings of border guards during the Novorossiysk-Ukrainian war (well, I suttered about "Kiev in the dust", of course, but there should have been a complete defeat of those units that attacked. Look, someone is a thread of Israel, except for the original enemies, the same "Hezbollah", which has the whole raison d'être - against Israel, namely, from third neighboring countries would dare to provoke like this? Assad is not just shooting down an Israeli plane - he is silent in response to provocations from Israel. Neither Egypt, nor Jordan ... Everyone knows what the destruction of an Israeli plane smells like. I don’t understand, is it wrong? Russia belongs to bulls, and Israel to Jupiters? Or what?
                        2. 0
                          3 December 2015 22: 56
                          Quote: aksakal
                          Look, who is Israel, except for the primordial enemies, the same "Hezbollah", which has the whole meaning of existence - against Israel, namely from the third neighboring countries, will dare to provoke like this? Assad is not like shooting down an Israeli plane - he is silent in response to provocations from Israel. Neither Egypt nor Jordan ... Everyone knows what the destruction of an Israeli plane smells like. I don’t understand, can’t you? Russia belongs to bulls, and Israel belongs to Jupiters? Or what?


                          They reminded me of an old joke about the elusive Joe. Who needs this Israel except Palestine? And it is still intact because of the Zionist pin. Dosov. And Russia for many centuries throughout Europe, and a century already pin. I got across my throat. That's all difference. Here is one such naphthalene dreamer who put his whole life on the destruction of Russia. And Assad therefore does not respond to provocations, because it is not Perdogan, that is how the Syrian coast differs from Turkish.
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        2. +5
          2 December 2015 09: 30
          It’s not double standards, it’s more serious. Turkish elite
          fulfills for 30 silver coins, the order of the Saudis, Qatars,
          Bahrain. Who are trying to put pressure on us like that.
          so that we would refuse assistance to Assad. Have we really forgotten the voyages
          senior Saudis to Russia in the middle of the year?
          Promises in exchange for cash injections in the economy
          refuse Assad help. After the failure of the GDP, they threatened
          all the heavenly things addressed to us. Naturally monarchy
          Gulf paid for all possible risks of Turkey in the conflict
          with Russia. That's where Davidka’s borzoi is, of course not
          there were no silent nods to the United States.
      2. +1
        2 December 2015 08: 22
        Quote: venaya
        What is happening in Turkey is the result of a game of interested people who naturally play on their selfish interests.

        so name these persons by name, what to intrigue for something?
        Quote: venaya
        All these religions are just an excuse, an outer wrapper

        what, nafig, reason? With the same success, the predictions of a blind old woman can be declared a "pretext". It is a tool. And quite effective.
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 09: 45
          Russians should be more cool
          Add composure to yourself.
          1. +1
            2 December 2015 10: 49
            Quote: Wend
            Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu directly explained what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that Russians should be more cool.


            Yes, our blood in the veins from frost crystallized, much more cold-blooded.

            The boy, thinking to catch eels,
            Grabbed the Snake and, looking, from fear
            Got pale as his shirt.
            Snake, on the Boy looking calmly
            “Listen,” he says: “since you won’t be smarter
            That audacity is not always easy for you to pass.
            This time, God will forgive; but beware forward
            And know who you are joking with! ”
            Aesop.


            Our ancestors were very wise
      3. +1
        2 December 2015 10: 03
        Does it seem to me alone that he resembles Galustyan in maturity? laughing
        1. +3
          2 December 2015 12: 41
          Quote: marlin1203
          Does it seem to me alone that he resembles Galustyan in maturity?

          More on a suicide before a suicide act .. No. ...not?,
    2. +23
      2 December 2015 05: 29
      We all know how the West protects its allies !! Let the Turks ask the Poles what their union is worth! History repeats itself again and again! Only now we still learned something, and did not wait until they fed the next monster, and delivered the first blow. But in the West, the memory is very short. On the other hand, we need to thank that they awakened in us that they so persistently destroyed 25 years! The Russian spirit is invincible! Do we want war? no! But this does not mean that they are not mentally prepared for it !!!
      1. +15
        2 December 2015 06: 31
        Who advises to be cooler? An unbalanced, impulsive Turkish king? In one word, "prostitution"
        1. +5
          2 December 2015 07: 13
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Who advises to be cooler? An unbalanced, impulsive Turkish king? In one word, "prostitution"

          Much cooler - they responded with a tomato embargo to the downed plane and the death of two servicemen! And not blown to shreds by airfields and downed aircraft. And I am so amazed at our "cold-bloodedness" ... If only diplomatic relations were broken, perhaps, even for decency ...
        2. +8
          2 December 2015 08: 15
          Quote: Scandinavian
          Who advises to be cooler? An unbalanced, impulsive Turkish king? In one word, "prostitution"



          Revenge is a cold dish ... thanks, we know that, wait ...
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        4. +7
          2 December 2015 08: 25
          We survived that even the Turks teach us how to behave ... We need a sensitive answer!
          1. +1
            2 December 2015 12: 08
            forget! as soon as the answer will be, all the accounts of your bosses in the Kremlin will be frozen!
            1. 0
              2 December 2015 12: 25
              Making decisions about answers in the competence of those who do not scare.
        5. +5
          2 December 2015 08: 30
          “Protection of national borders is not only the right of Turkey, but also the responsibility of its government, of which I am the head. This is one of the main tasks of the government. Therefore, no one has the right to expect an apology from us for defending our airspace, ”the premier said.

          If they shot down the plane when it violated the border, that would be extremely unpleasant, but at least understandable, but when the protection of YOUR airspace leads to an attack of the plane that didn’t violate anything, such statements render idiocy. But no one believes in Turkey’s statements that the Russian plane has violated the border anyway.
      2. 0
        2 December 2015 07: 36
        That we are gradually becoming our "non-brothers"? Our plane was shot down, the pilot was killed, we were sent far away and for a long time with all our evidence, they said that if something happened they could add, but we have a "peremoga" again?
      3. 0
        2 December 2015 08: 25
        Quote: rassel0889
        Do we want war? no!

        comrade, just in the next branch you proposed to bomb the West in the Stone Age and to clear a place for "peace-loving nations". Would you really decide whether you want to or not?
      4. -2
        2 December 2015 12: 07
        well done! how is it that you still have not received 100+ for your post.)))) always write at the end the glory of Russia and get your long-awaited advantages from the same patriots.
    3. +6
      2 December 2015 05: 32
      Turkey and NATO, led by the United States, simply mock and laugh in our faces without hiding, and if they start to ask any questions, such as the question "is it true that the Su 24 was shot down over the territory of Syria, not Turkey?" away. Watch the press conference of State Department spokesman Elizabeth Trudeau. They have an understanding that there will be no response from our side, so they will continue to mock and support those who kill our military, and if any barmaley begins to fail, they themselves will kill our military.
      1. +17
        2 December 2015 05: 54
        Quote: passerby1
        Turkey and NATO, led by the United States, are not hiding and laughing at our faces


        NON-RESPONSE OF Russia UNITED all opponents of Russia and gave them courage, while the answer, on the contrary, would disconnect them, IMHO.
        It is a threat inevitable the answer has been saved by the whole world for 70 years ...
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 06: 12
          It is the threat of an inevitable response that has saved the whole world for 70 years ...

          Oh something we sat up brothers
          Isn’t it time for us to roam
          Russia is young, strength is unmeasured,
          Give me a horse yes good sword
          1. +3
            2 December 2015 06: 53
            Nooo, let's just sit still and complain to each other about the "double standards", discuss the hypocrisy of the West, listen to how NATO and US representatives are just mocking us and turn our backs on the other side to the next killed military man, and there you can get angry in a new circle.
        2. +6
          2 December 2015 08: 00
          It’s necessary to extinguish all of this Turkish-Igil oil business in Syria by our aerospace forces, and to bring down Turkish planes without warning when flying Turkish aircraft.
      2. +4
        2 December 2015 06: 26
        Americans say they will intercede for the Turks! The Turks believe this, and behave impudently, thinking that we will not risk attacking! Well, a clear provocation to the war, of course, the United States and NATO will throw them, as they once threw Poland. On that day, when the Turkish sea appears, or the desert (with luck), the United States immediately declares that the first ones themselves shot down the plane, and therefore the first attacked, NATO has no right to defend the aggressor’s country, etc. etc.!! But the conflict will no longer be stopped, as it was then in 39-41 ... It is a pity that people do not learn from their mistakes, one thing is good that we in Russia remember everything very well, it's hard to forget. No nation in the world has paid such a price for peace as we were then. And to protect this world, we will have to alone. After all, if we do not protect, then all those who gave their lives then died in vain ...
        1. +3
          2 December 2015 07: 44
          When will the US and NATO throw the Turks? You were told that Russia will not give any military response, so it is not clear what you mean by "the US and NATO will throw them." While they amicably mock us when we try to present them with evidence. We try, puff, collect briefings, and they look at all this laughing and nah we are sent. The evidence we have is "the wrong system".
          1. +1
            2 December 2015 08: 29
            How are we going to give no military response? And the destruction of all potentially dangerous targets, as stated, is the economic response?
            1. -1
              2 December 2015 08: 33
              And what has destroyed a lot already?
              1. -2
                2 December 2015 08: 46
                Well, if you did not understand, then we were not ready for retaliatory actions. Not in terms of that there was nothing to beat, but in terms of protection from possible aggressive actions by Turkey. And if they gouged our base, would it be better? It is also necessary to answer with your head! Now, judging by the statements, they are ready.
                1. +5
                  2 December 2015 09: 10
                  How did you decide that we are now ready to retaliate? As for the first time we were afraid to hit the Turks, so now we are afraid. What has changed? Let's say again "What if they gouge our base?" or do you think the C 400 will be able to protect the Air Force base, which is located 50 km away, from artillery shelling. from the Turkish border or from tanks on the runway? We will also sit and discuss "double standards" and our reluctance to "start World War III." Experts will again tell us about the "stupidity" of our generals, who did not cover the air force base from attacks from the ground and the admirals who sent the cruiser Moskva, which has a purely symbolic protection from anti-ship missiles and clearly insufficient PLO into the waters washing an unfriendly state. Once again we will agree that "we were not ready", but now we will bring nuclear submarines, aircraft carrier with an escort into the Mediterranean Sea, deploy a couple of divisions in Syria and let them just try to stick around, we'll show them uhhh.
                  1. +1
                    2 December 2015 09: 37
                    Dear "PASSENGER". The statement about the destruction of all potentially dangerous targets was made not by me, but by the representative of the Ministry of Defense and, I suspect, that it was made at the direction of the Supreme (how else?). And he, as a rule, does nothing thoughtlessly. And how we will defend ourselves I do not even want to fantasize.
                    1. -1
                      2 December 2015 09: 55
                      Х
                      Quote: 1976AG
                      And how we will defend I do not even want to fantasize, there are specialists in the Moscow Region.

                      Good argument from the same opera as "Everything is in God's hands"
                      1. +1
                        2 December 2015 10: 11
                        In order to calculate the answer options, you need to have all the information about our capabilities, and not just what they showed on TV.
                        1. -2
                          2 December 2015 10: 58
                          So I’m saying that we’ll die and ban cowards from Turkey, although not, cowards, this is too much, this is clearly a disproportionate answer. What is some kind of pilot and the whole cowards? It’s impossible to flog a fever, of course it’s a pity for the pilot, but we’ll survive, and the PANTIES is a political issue, you shouldn’t forbid them from importing from the airbag.
                        2. -1
                          2 December 2015 23: 48
                          Quote: passerby1
                          So I’m saying that we’ll die and ban cowards from Turkey, although not, cowards, this is too much, this is clearly a disproportionate answer. What is some kind of pilot and the whole cowards? It’s impossible to flog a fever, of course it’s a pity for the pilot, but nothing, we’ll survive, and the COVERS is a political issue, they can’t be forbidden to import


                          I read all your opuses on a branch. Question one: did not get tired of hysteria?
                        3. -1
                          3 December 2015 05: 17
                          Is everything going according to plan? Was that intended? I just express my point of view. Yes, I am dissatisfied with the toothless policy pursued by our authorities and I believe that such a policy leads us on a straight path to a big war, because it creates in our "partners" a dangerous idea that it is possible to kill our military with impunity.
                        4. -1
                          3 December 2015 08: 44
                          Quote: passerby1
                          Is everything going according to plan? Was that intended? I just express my point of view. Yes, I am dissatisfied with the toothless policy pursued by our authorities and I believe that such a policy leads us on a straight path to a big war, because it creates in our "partners" a dangerous idea that it is possible to kill our military with impunity.


                          What does my or your plans have to do with it? You can plan for yourself what and how much you want. And just express your point of view, the whole branch is already full of just expressions.
                        5. -1
                          3 December 2015 10: 50
                          Do not like it, do not read, there is nothing to hysteria about this.
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    4. +5
      2 December 2015 05: 33
      )))))))))))))))) I imagine - the calculation of the S-400 - and now in cold blood, in cold blood we begin to bring down Turkish planes! laughing
      1. +3
        2 December 2015 08: 39
        At the same time, Davutoglu noted that his priority task is to reduce tensions between states and prevent repeated incidents.

        Davutoglu believes - he is, of course, well done! Now the next steps are expected:
        1. Making a public apology for unmotivated aggression is better late than never!
        2. Criminalize specific individuals guilty of the incident.
        3. To pay direct material damage for the destruction of equipment.
        4. To pay a small compensation - $ 20-30 million to the families of the victims.
        After that, I think, it will be possible to start a conversation about resolving relations.
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 10: 20
          If you believe the media, it was this gentleman who gave permission to destroy the aircraft. Do you want him to be self-prosecuted? wassat
    5. +3
      2 December 2015 05: 40
      "Don’t trust the three: don’t trust a woman, don’t trust a Turk, don’t trust a non-drinker." (Peter I)
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 06: 18
        Quote: Violamuza
        don't believe Turk

        Well, this phrase has already been visited! But how much can be repeated from article to article?
    6. +18
      2 December 2015 05: 53
      Well, we’ll be more cold-blooded - we won’t go to Turkish beaches, so as not to heat up and not to become soggy.
    7. 0
      2 December 2015 05: 54
      Yeah, the Turks definitely freaked out ...
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 14: 43
        The Turks themselves were stunned by what they had done. And the main thing now is not to admit that they intentionally shot down. And it is necessary to be more cold-blooded to set up a base in Greece, to conclude a treaty on collective defense of airspace and .... But she's a pancake in NATO, this Greece.
    8. +2
      2 December 2015 05: 56
      Of course, Turkey did not expect such a reaction from Russia. Almost worn for a week, looking for support. But it was only necessary to admit his guilt and apologize .... I think that a completely different reaction would be if the Turks shot down another, not a Russian plane. Putin called the incident "a stab in the back."
      1. +10
        2 December 2015 09: 08
        And you just had to admit your guilt and apologize ....

        This would have happened long ago if we had done 3 things:
        1: Fierce ultimatum: Provide convincing evidence of the legitimacy of the Turkish Air Force within 30 hours or an apology with large damages. Otherwise, we consider the actions illegal, which indicates the fact of direct aggression and means a declaration of war. Send a direct request to the NATO leadership: Turkey’s actions are NATO’s actions or it’s their improvisation, the text of the ultimatum should be sent to NATO officially: deal with your member, we are waiting for an answer.
        2: At the time of the 30-hour ultimatum, declare a high alert mode in the RF Armed Forces, deploy nuclear weapons from the permanent duty mode to the operational one. (so that those who need to see this from space)
        3: Transfer to Syria except S-300/400, pieces of 5 units Iskander and Peony. (The first is the application of preemptive attacks on enemy airfields, the second will make the ground operation of the Turkish armed forces in Syria impossible, the so-called tank breakthrough with the support of terrorists)
        And it turns out that weapons of mass destruction today seem to frighten only itself, and this is not right, because it is not far from a full-fledged nuclear conflict, the dampening factor has dulled (all sorts of Turkey believed that no nuclear weapons would be fired at them). At one time, Gromyko to the Turks on the fields of a coffee break in the White House of the USA said something like this: if the straits are closed to us, we will do ours, but in this case, Istanbul will no longer be ... What happened? - shut up for nearly 40 years and did not remember all sorts of prohibitions. And now we behave like a noble sambo wrestler against a gopnik, it seems like there is enough strength to give strength in the face, but somehow upbringing does not allow (the world can solve it), and they beat us and are not shy (because the gopnik has no conscience and he understands only an even stronger blow to the jaw).
        1. +4
          2 December 2015 10: 12
          Quote: adept666
          At one time, Gromyko told the Turks on the fields of a coffee break in the US White House something like this: if the straits are closed to us, we will do ours, but in this case, Istanbul will no longer be ..

          The USSR could afford it, because it was a state with a different social structure and ideology, the Russian Federation did not, because it doesn’t differ from the West in social structure, and there is no ideology at all, and it looks like a redistribution of the oil and gas business
          1. 0
            2 December 2015 11: 17
            The USSR could afford it, because it was a state with a different social structure and ideology, the Russian Federation did not, because it doesn’t differ from the West in social structure, and there is no ideology at all, and it looks like a redistribution of the oil and gas business
            Horses mixed up in a bunch of horses. And how does the Western social system prevent Western countries from destroying entire states, killing presidents and rulers?
    9. +3
      2 December 2015 05: 57
      DOES HE REALIZE HIMSELF SUFFICIENTLY REFRIGERATED AUTHORITY TO GIVE ADVICE?
      COOL - Synonyms:
      apathetic, indifferent, indifferent, unconflicted, passionless, insensitive, restrained, listless, indifferent, as if nothing had happened, without blinking an eye, calmly, calmly, cool, indifferent, even, cool, restrained, with a calm conscience, calmly, balanced, philosophical, phlegmatic, phlegmatic, cold-blooded
      1. +2
        2 December 2015 06: 29
        Listen to them, so in general they should probably thank them, and ask for more ...
        1. +2
          2 December 2015 07: 57
          Listen to them, so in general they should probably thank them, and ask for more ...

          No, listen to them. Pontmaesh that we DID, and a decade of wasted money and time was put in the ass and in the budget of a potential enemy.
    10. +12
      2 December 2015 06: 00
      Sanctions are the second. Personally, it is important for me that the Ministry of Defense continues to report with the provision of a video about the destruction of oil tankers..turkomanov (or whatever they are) ... and Turkish "humanitarian" aid. ps. some indistinct phrases from Turkey are not even worth paying attention to.
      1. +3
        2 December 2015 11: 01
        By the way, the Russian Ministry of Defense denied the fact that our aircraft destroyed the Turkish "humanitarian aid". Personally, my opinion is that they both went and will go.
    11. +2
      2 December 2015 06: 06
      The question arises, if Erdogan has such close and arms and oil ties with ISIS terrorists, then who made an explosion on October 10 during a protest rally against a surge of violence due to the Turkish-Kurdish conflict in the south-east of the country. As a result of the attack, 30 people died and 126 were injured. It is obvious that the Kurds themselves could not blow themselves up, and IS militants did not dare to risk their supply channels without the permission of the sponsors.
      Now sanctions against Turkey are being actively worked out. But for some reason, these sanctions are weakly correlated with the financial interests of the Turkish party, headed by Davutoglu. It is not difficult to get a list of party members, politicians and financiers supporting the Turkish authorities and introduce personal sanctions. And accomplices of terrorists, if there is evidence, can be put on the international wanted list.
      1. +3
        2 December 2015 08: 14
        The explosion was arranged by Erdogan's team, without any "maybe", "and if"!
        It really hurts many then fart (sorry, of course - fart!) Blamed!
        Which in itself is rather strange!
        Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool

        We are cold-blooded, we are calm, we are residents of a northern country!
        But the Turks are getting excited ("hot people") out of place!
        However, rage further!
    12. +5
      2 December 2015 06: 06
      The Turks are stubborn, the escalation of the conflict will continue .. In the hands of the Turks the straits will not be closed, but they will spoil ..
    13. +4
      2 December 2015 06: 07
      Well, I just can’t understand why Putin tolerates such a disregard. I agree that it makes no sense to engage in a mutual exchange of threats and insults. But to respond only with economic measures to open aggression is not a manly thing.
      Like, "Oh, you hit me - take your tomato."
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 06: 20
        Do not headlong try to take revenge.
        Revenge is a cold dish. And Putin will answer, he won’t leave it like that.
        1. +3
          2 December 2015 07: 30
          Why did you decide so? Donetsk has been under shelling for the second year already, and Putin cannot do anything about it or does not want to, although he promised that "we will always and everywhere protect the Russians."
          1. -1
            2 December 2015 08: 57
            He protects.
            Is Donetsk taken? No. But not all at once.
            Of course it's a shame that not everything is as you want. But it was simply impossible to imagine that Russia would almost equally oppose the West 10 years ago. What will happen in 10 years is scary to think about. It’s just breathtaking.
            1. +3
              2 December 2015 09: 19
              Quote: Cap.Morgan
              that Russia will almost equally compete with the West

              Equally? So what's up with a downed plane?
            2. +1
              2 December 2015 09: 24
              As our 58-year-old cleaning lady (a refugee from Donetsk, whose son was killed, and her daughter-in-law with her child disappeared somewhere in the Gorlovka region) said, "It would be better if the Bandera people captured us." Tell her how Putin protects Russians in Donbass. I hope she doesn't hurt you too much with a mop.
          2. +4
            2 December 2015 09: 19
            Quote: passerby1
            Putin cannot do anything about this or does not want to, although he promised that "we will always and everywhere defend the Russians."

            He promised a lot of things. And he continues to promise that he will promise even more.
        2. +2
          2 December 2015 09: 18
          Quote: Younger, I
          Revenge is a cold dish. And Putin will answer, he won’t leave it like that.

          Yeah, yeah, all of Putin's answers lately have been reduced to the ever-memorable, in times not so distant, Chinese: "China sternly warns ..."
          1. +2
            2 December 2015 09: 28
            I also remembered about the "Chinese warnings" when I listened to our rhetoric after the downed Su 24.
        3. +3
          2 December 2015 09: 30
          Revenge is a cold dish. And Putin will answer, he won’t leave it like that.
          Lord, as this phrase already sank. What kind of revenge are we talking about? If you sit and introduce only some kind of restrictive measures, then the Turks, together with the terrorists, can completely unbelt and decide even on a ground operation! There is nothing special for us to protect our guys except for nuclear weapons, or will we also make them heroes of Russia ... posthumously? Look down, let’s say what kind of Turks are bad, and here the former deputy deputy minister of Italy agrees to watch with us, and he’s out that the Austrian blogger wrote that he’s scolding Turkey! Our plane was shot down insolent, but what? But NATO waited, looked at the circus that we are arranging, i.e. wiped out by and large, I realized that there would be no serious hitting and spoke: 1) Turkey has the right to defend itself (which is strange isn’t it true, because no one attacked it, but attacked us) 2) We’ll use the 5th article without options. 3) We will strengthen Turkish air defense and take measures to organize measures to increase its security. This would never have happened in the days of the USSR (50-90), the first would have called themselves and apologized for the Turks. They gave the Turks 3 yards (they will give them more so that she wouldn’t miss the pasties to them), i.e. compensated for the near future losses from our sanctions. And we in the role of the victim who wrote the application to the district police officer for serious bandits, who have connections in the highest police circles and with our statement we can only wipe.
      2. -10
        2 December 2015 06: 34
        This is a provocation! As they say, hit on one cheek, turn the other! Or are you suggesting like "Oh, you hit me, and I'll kill you for this," so what? and in what world we live then think for yourself. You may not read the Bible and not believe in God, but the truth is written there. You can't argue with that.
        1. +4
          2 December 2015 06: 49
          I suggest: "You hit me - you answered for it."
          Do you suggest leaving crimes unpunished?
          Why then are courts and prisons?
          I don’t need to read sermons, it is still unknown which of us believes more and what.
      3. 0
        2 December 2015 09: 43
        Alexander!
        Everything has its time!
    14. +1
      2 December 2015 06: 07
      “This is not only about Turkish economic interests, Russia also has economic interests in Turkey,” Davutoglu quotes Deutsche Welle, citing Bloomberg.


      The construction of Akkuyu NPP began in April 2015, and with a total project cost of $ 22 billion, $ 3 billion has already been invested in it from the Russian side. The situation with the Turkish Stream is even more complicated. Gazprom spent € 4 billion only on the construction of gas transmission infrastructure in Russia for the future gas pipeline


      It will be difficult to make Miller and "Kinder" forget about such denyushki - that is why the Turks will become impudent
    15. +2
      2 December 2015 06: 08
      This Davutoglu is a cold-blooded reptile. Teaches how to be scum. Yes, you can be cold-blooded if he brings two dead children back to life. Here's how to return, then you can talk. He also probably warmed his hands on oil smuggling.
    16. +1
      2 December 2015 06: 08
      All who do not fight on the side of Russia are enemies and are subject to destruction
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      2. 0
        2 December 2015 06: 26

        According to your theses, the whole world must be destroyed
    17. +9
      2 December 2015 06: 09
      interesting turns out what all countries have their own interests, but only in Russia they somehow imperial request
    18. +3
      2 December 2015 06: 12
      Turkey will take extreme measures with us. Hiding behind NATO, the mericatos ...
      How it develops further, time will tell, but the campaign does not have to and will not have to wait for any apologies and other human feelings from them.
    19. +10
      2 December 2015 06: 14
      They got it stupidly: "Assad must leave." Why not say: Erdogan must leave, Merkel must leave, Obama must leave. Etc. And most importantly, NATO must leave, best of all - to its home, to the states. Then the order will be restored faster.
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 06: 30
        Is a raven a raven?
    20. +3
      2 December 2015 06: 15
      Greetings to all! But smirk, perhaps with a funny face make up those problems that come from Russia. WE have seen such and more than once ... from the latter:
    21. 0
      2 December 2015 06: 24
      Radical Islamism, today at war with Assad, tomorrow will turn against Erdogan and his minions

      The raven will not peck out the crow.
      From Latin: Comix cornici nunquam confodit oculum (Cornix cornici nunquam confodit oculum).
      A proverb known since ancient Rome.
      Allegorically: bad people easily understand each other and try to observe mutual interests.
      Fascist Germany had allies: Italy, Hungary, Romania, Finland, etc.
      Turkey and Isil are also allies. For Isil, the region is full of other goals, ideologically hostile and much weaker.
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 08: 41
        Yes, an example to the point .. the story repeats .. how it all ends already know. Another victory day will be!
    22. wax
      +1
      2 December 2015 06: 32
      There is no leader cooler than Putin on the world stage.
    23. +5
      2 December 2015 06: 45
      As long as there is Turkey with its claims to the revival of the Ottoman Empire, they will not let us live in peace. Therefore, the problem must be solved radically, just as it used to be with the Crimea. Methods may vary.
    24. +7
      2 December 2015 06: 48
      There is a concept of "losing face". For a politician, this can be worse than death. Personally, I perceive all these "antics and leaps" of the Turkish authorities - just an attempt not to lose it. Too much has been said, too much has been done. You can't even jump into the last carriage. I am surprised by such an active "movement" - all sorts of Germany and Britain expressed a desire to take part in the defeat of DAESH. IMHO, this means that the barmaley are "blown away" and the people is in a hurry to share the sweet burden of victory, rubbing their shoulders with the true winners? I can't give up this thought.
    25. +1
      2 December 2015 06: 48
      But where so cool? If they got excited they would have wailed, and they would have already fought in all, and just sanctions, or something selective ...
    26. +1
      2 December 2015 06: 54
      So these criminals will be fully responsible for this! Let them sit on, time will tell! Now even their ears are afraid to show, only from under the bed blather about something there ..
    27. +2
      2 December 2015 07: 17
      Themselves in a fit of rage jump and jerk and we are advised to be cool? We are not reptiles that to be cold-blooded this time and the advice of such hysteria as the Turks do not need these two! Let them advise their wives! Advisers are figs, these are three! am
    28. +3
      2 December 2015 07: 19
      If it were not for the American support and the silent puffing of Europe, then both Erdogan and his prime minister have long been sitting huddled in a corner and winding snot on their fists. And now they feel like national "heroes". And the reason for this is the bestial attitude of the West towards Russia.
      1. +3
        2 December 2015 08: 03
        Quote: rotmistr60
        ... And now they feel like national "heroes".



        It's not evening yet, Gennady, it's not evening yet. As long as we do everything right, without unnecessary "win all". The Yankees adhere to the same rule as we - "the enemy of my enemy is my ally, albeit for a while." We will take a look, but giving advice to our political and military leadership is counterproductive, there are no lumps with eyes sitting there.
        And off topic: about the so-called. Minister of Defense "DAISH". (click.)
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 08: 44
          So I do not rush things. Each vegetable has its own time.
      2. +1
        2 December 2015 09: 07
        Quote: rotmistr60
        And the reason for this is the bestial attitude of the West towards Russia.

        but it has never happened otherwise. it's time to get used to and rub to the nose. to do their work taking into account all factors and preferably with the least loss for themselves. but simply do not wave a lot of mind with a checker
      3. 0
        2 December 2015 09: 52
        Georgians also hoped for American support. Not fused ...
    29. +1
      2 December 2015 07: 19
      Reminds the bandit’s proposals to share part of the thieves ’profit, so as not to conflict. But this bandit will accept any concession as weakness and become completely impudent.
    30. 0
      2 December 2015 07: 48
      Unfortunately, thanks to the naivete of the country's leadership, we are the only thing we can do in return is not to eat cheap tomatoes (I cried damn, they also turn out to be of poor quality fool and we all ate and devoured the good the situation so developed and even would continue to be poisoned fool ), etc., and not to sunbathe on cheap beaches (with service and cost many times better than in our cheapest resorts). Here I like the program Evening with Solovyov, he repeatedly asked about it there but the defendant sits in (TOP) belay
      Imagine how much you could have done during the whole period of tourism in Turkey in our country, from Gorny Altai to the Far East, stuffed with hotels and recreation areas .... "This is not wrecking.
    31. +1
      2 December 2015 08: 12
      like couch generals rushing into battle. "The whole world in dust", "Bomb with a vigorous bomb", and so on. But I wonder if they themselves are going to fight? Or just banging your heels on your chest and fingers on the keyboard. Do they know what Putin and Obama were talking about on the sidelines? Can they imagine the real possibilities of NATO and Russia? And all the consequences of the military conflict? Are they ready, together with all their loved ones, to sip the hardships of martial law and the consequences? Are they sure that our economy will survive a military confrontation? have you forgotten how we in 39-41 were going to defeat the enemy on his territory and what happened then? It is not necessary to rush headlong into a fight. but bending your opponent without getting involved in a fight is another calico. And the process is not quick.
      1. +1
        2 December 2015 08: 40
        True words, but ... so far Russia has been in a bent position.
        For a start, it would turn out straight.
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 09: 01
          Quote: Al_oriso
          For a start, it would turn out

          That's it. first you need to completely straighten up and stand straight, like the USSR and the Russian Empire in their best years.
      2. 0
        2 December 2015 08: 44
        How do you see the future war? In a trench filled with water with a Kalash in your hands? It seems to me that everything will end much faster and the matter will not reach the Kalash and the trench in principle. Therefore, asking the question - "Are they going to fight on their own?", One must understand that in essence this is a question - "Are they themselves ready to burn up in a thermonuclear explosion?" Personally, I am ready if I know for sure that now the same happiness is falling from the sky on the heads of our opponents.
      3. 0
        2 December 2015 08: 49
        The relatives of the murdered pilot and the Marine would argue with you about "not getting into a fight", but most likely they would just stuff their face.
        1. +1
          2 December 2015 08: 58
          and you do not decide for the relatives of the killed pilot what they would do. No matter how tragic it may be, but the death of the plane does not threaten the existence of our state, so that it would be scattered by vigorous bombs and organize a global massacre. The fact that the crime of the Turks should not go unpunished is beyond doubt. But in any case, I want a peaceful life for my children, and not that they would be burned out in a world catastrophe just because someone wants to take revenge. Revenge, be sure. But not at the expense of our own existence
          1. 0
            2 December 2015 10: 03
            Do you think the relatives of those killed will ask for supplements? Inaction in response to aggression is precisely the direct path to nuclear war. At some point, it suddenly turns out that you no longer have pilots or aircraft, as well as the army, which was either killed while you were talking "about a global massacre" or fled, seeing such an attitude towards the lives of the military, "tragic of course", but no big deal, we will survive this.
    32. aba
      +1
      2 December 2015 08: 12
      On November 29, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that Ankara expects Moscow to take more cold-blooded actions.


      And where was the composure of the Turks on November 24, 2015?
    33. 0
      2 December 2015 08: 21
      Could not advise - we have not even begun to harness. Just wrap around for now. With such power as it is now in Russia, you have nothing to fear, not ss-te.
      1. +1
        2 December 2015 08: 46
        Under Stalin, it was better
        Right now mobilization would have been going on, and half of the writers on this site would have already sat for long languages. Then they would have stormed Ararat, having laid down half a million soldiers, and by next summer would have reached Istanbul. Or maybe not.
        In the best case, it would then be necessary to feed 80 million Turks at their own expense.
        I’m only afraid that mobilization would begin now — a howl would rise to heaven!
        During the aggravation of the situation in the Donbass, I was at the local police station. The staff seemed to be informed that they might go to war. The staff was in shock. Nobody wanted to change the feeding place and the warm office on the steppes of Ukraine purged by all the winds. It was an unpleasant discovery for me. So with the rulers, for once we were lucky.
        But the answer must be.
        The best option is a revolution in Turkey. Or a military coup - as you like.
        1. +1
          2 December 2015 10: 20
          Quote: Cap.Morgan
          and half of the writers on this site would already be sitting

          why is it half, in my opinion everything is polite, for using foreign technology - once, for possible communication with foreigners - two, before the presence of the transmitter was already equated to espionage, but now everyone goes with it in the form of a cell phone, so don’t think that it’s succeeded to sit out :-)
          1. 0
            2 December 2015 10: 42
            If our grandfathers were alive and young, they would have shot us all for what we had done with their country and would be right for 200%
            1. -1
              2 December 2015 23: 57
              Quote: passerby1
              If our grandfathers were alive and young, they would have shot us all for what we had done with their country and would be right for 200%


              You take too much on yourself. For the relatives of the pilot, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, they decided everything. How do you know what they did.
    34. 0
      2 December 2015 08: 40
      We are more calm than ever, and Sinop, whose anniversary was celebrated yesterday, can again repeat ....
    35. 0
      2 December 2015 08: 42
      Cool, Davutoglu. You are at work. Stop burning in vain, and then scandal and stutter in public.
    36. 0
      2 December 2015 08: 43
      Quote: cniza
      Revenge is a cold dish ... thanks, we know that, wait ...

      Hello! hi
      Here - in the Russian Federation - there is SOMEONE to submit it. Only noodles for the ears. In a word, "people hawala" ... Just don't talk about all sorts of chess troubles in political phraseology, such as "grandmaster of politics", "zugzwang", time trouble, etc. In the minds "above" only one gyrus works - loot; everything else is for the camouflage of this thought. wassat
    37. +1
      2 December 2015 08: 47
      Turkey is getting deeper and stronger entangled in the networks of radical Islam. And nothing good will come of it.
    38. +1
      2 December 2015 08: 47
      Guinea-Bissau will soon indicate to the Russian Federation WHAT and HOW to do in the field of foreign and domestic policy. Congratulations to all forum participants. crying
      1. -1
        2 December 2015 09: 04
        Quote: oleg46
        Guinea-Bissau will soon indicate to the Russian Federation WHAT and HOW to do in the field of foreign and domestic policy

        Well, advise what to do?
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 11: 19
          Quote: lewerlin53rus
          Well, advise what to do?

          It was necessary to do IT earlier and in hot pursuit. What exactly? Was our plane shot down by Turkish F-16? Was! Violations of state. the border of Turkey (even briefly) was not? Did not have! Even the States have recognized. What is it then? Why were not at least 2 Turkish F-16s (or analogues) destroyed at the airfield? Attack on a sovereign state? No! Just an adequate answer. Everyone would understand everything at once, and the States in the first place. They would bark and stop. We should take an example in this regard from Israel. And so in fact - they chatted the problem and wiped themselves off. To be continued...negative
          1. -1
            3 December 2015 07: 53
            Quote: oleg46
            Why were not at least 2 Turkish F-16s (or analogues) destroyed at the airfield?

            Why are there little things? to shy away immediately with a nuclear bomb in Istanbul. I don’t give a damn about thousands of our citizens who are on the territory of Turkey. And still get an answer from NATO according to their fifth point. Also to me, warrior!
            1. 0
              3 December 2015 13: 39
              Quote: lewerlin53rus
              Why are there little things? to shy away immediately with a nuclear bomb in Istanbul. I don’t give a damn about thousands of our citizens who are on the territory of Turkey. And still get an answer from NATO according to their fifth point. Also to me, warrior!

              Clear. "Otvetka" - as you put it - from NATO will come us anyway. But the more the Russian Federation will endure public humiliation from the vassals of the States, the more painful it will subsequently be to all of us; the more we (with our companionship) provoke the Turks (they respect ONLY strength) to a conflict, because they consider our reaction in this case UNCOMMODELY WEAK! As for the fighter, I served in the SA. And, by the way, I lived in Central Asia for many years, so I know the mentality of the Eastern peoples. In his youth he knew Turks personally, encountering them in "street battles". hi
    39. +1
      2 December 2015 08: 48
      .. His pilots, but the generals would advise .. Advisor. Now we will be cool when we aim.
    40. +2
      2 December 2015 08: 53
      Quote: parusnik
      The Turks are stubborn, the escalation of the conflict will continue .. In the hands of the Turks the straits will not be closed, but they will spoil ..

      All Middle Eastern countries understand only one thing. STRENGTH, so we need to show it specifically.
    41. +1
      2 December 2015 08: 54
      We will bring yours too angry - and you be calm! fool
    42. +1
      2 December 2015 08: 58
      Yes, he goes to the opera! jackal henchman. Nenado death for a mustache pull
    43. 0
      2 December 2015 09: 06
      Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool

      Yes, it is necessary to choke this terrorist nits in cold blood, not to succumb to the evil hiss of creeping reptiles!
    44. +1
      2 December 2015 09: 07
      In the history of Russia there is one interesting feature.
      At the beginning of every century, in the first quarter, Russia will face a serious shock.
      The remaining three quarters of a century is a progressive development with serious foreign policy positions in the world.
      17th century - Troubles and subsequent development, land unification, Smolensk, Ukraine’s accession ...
      18th century - Northern War - modern army, Baltic, navy, then expansion of the country to the south, north and west.
      19th century - Napoleon -, then we are in Europe, ours in Alaska, California, Turkestan, the Caucasus ....
      20th century - World War I, revolution - we are in Berlin, in Europe, friends with China, our allies around the world. Ocean Fleet, we are in space. America is terrified.
      21st Century. Ukraine, Syria ... Well. Continue?
    45. +1
      2 December 2015 09: 13
      Quote: Al_oriso
      Well, I just can’t understand why Putin tolerates such a disregard. I agree that it makes no sense to engage in a mutual exchange of threats and insults. But to respond only with economic measures to open aggression is not a manly thing.
      Like, "Oh, you hit me - take your tomato."



      Forgot about our tourists in Turkey? 10 thousand.! This is not khukh-mukhra! You can’t risk so many people! As far as it was clear from the words of Lavrov, we will wait for our all to return. Last departures on the 20th of December. The rest will follow later. Everyone understands this in Geyrop and in the Mattress! While the tourists are sitting, we wait ... until the first star.
      And then, you think ours will not dare to go to Turkey to relax again? Through other countries. Yes Easy! They don’t care! If it’s impossible, then let's go! We began to discuss such things at work, I had to explain it with dumb fingers, that if you fly there, no one guarantees anything to you and if they cut off your head or capture you, nobody will help you! Only then did the people begin to reach! They are still flying to Egypt! Bypassing ours.
      So, what’s there masculine or not masculine, you got it too early!
      P.S. By the way, the area where everything happened (with our plane) was already cleared as soon as the rescued pilot was taken. Today there will be an extended report on this topic in the news show.
      1. +1
        2 December 2015 09: 53
        Quote: press attache
        By the way, the area where everything happened (with our plane) was already cleared as soon as the rescued pilot was taken.

        Yeah, and those bearded shots sat there, waiting for when they would clean them.
    46. 0
      2 December 2015 09: 14
      Emir of horseradish .... he will teach Russian more. Have you been beaten for a long time?
    47. 0
      2 December 2015 09: 17
      In order to change something in this situation, we need patience, calmness and endurance - these are inalienable qualities of a real sniper.

      This is a call to us to be sheep.

      There is a leader of the sheep flock - Wolf
      And there are food problems;
      Sheep's duty - keep calm
      Then their life will be good ...
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 09: 54
        Quote: vladimirvn
        There is a leader of the sheep flock - Wolf
        And there are food problems;
        Sheep's duty - keep calm
        Then their life will be good ...

        When a wolf every time,
        Lamb just for lunch.
    48. +3
      2 December 2015 09: 27
      you know, men, but in my opinion they are bred as the last suckers! how many tryndzha was and HOW our rulers puffed out their cheeks, but carefully read Putin’s decree on sanctions imposed on the Turks and ... sad it became again bitter and insulting for the power! stop Well, how much can we hold on to fools? Well, we hit the country's economy very hard (I mean Turkey), abandoning their resorts and tomato? Well, they really scared them, yeah! Here are the Turks who took the measures very appropriate even: they covered the bay and ... our people are silent and chewing snot!
      true.info - Does the blockade of Russian military courts in the Bosphorus mean that Turkey took advantage of the clause from the Montreux Convention, and therefore Ankara believes that Russia is at war with Turkey?
      we are reassured and can continue to continue to puff out our cheeks, but after all, in the real life of our Turetschina’s economy, the losses will be minimal, but again we are stepping on the same rake: we are continuing to build a nuclear power plant and building it on own funds hoping that the profit will be in 60 years! Who was so smart in our government that pushed such a shnyaga? I would very much like to know the identity of this activist, (I was not mistaken, namely the activist, from the word "woodpecker") so that in the future they would not allow us to design our projects and allocate funds! The construction of a nuclear power plant in Crimea is not profitable, and construction in Turetchina is a brand! Next: let's remove the tourists from there, and paradise will come! Will not come, and do not hope. And looking at the actions of our government, the same Davutoglu (I just want to write obscenities!) Will make such statements! What about him? Did they shoot down our plane? Shot down! Blown up a passenger plane over Sinai? blew up! Our actions? Except for loud statements - nothing! And so it will continue until our brains will not give! and it is not at all necessary to declare war. Blocked the straits? Shut off the gas! So after all at the top of our profit will go to hell! LOW! In general, there is a lot more to write! that's just from our shaking of air NOTHING WILL CHANGE! stop
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 11: 32
        Quote: Viktor Demchenko
        you know, men, but in my opinion they are bred as the last suckers! how many tryndzha was and HOW our rulers puffed out their cheeks, and carefully read Putin’s decree on sanctions imposed on the Turks and ... it became bitter and insulting to the power again! Well, how much can we hold on to fools? Well, we hit the country's economy very hard (I mean Turkey), abandoning their resorts and tomato? Well, they really scared them, yeah! Here are the Turks who took the measures very appropriate even: they covered the bay and ... our people are silent and chewing snot!
        true.info - Does the blockade of Russian military courts in the Bosphorus mean that Turkey took advantage of the clause from the Montreux Convention, and therefore Ankara believes that Russia is at war with Turkey?
        they calm us down and can slowly continue to puff out our cheeks, but in reality, our economy in the Turetch region will incur minimal losses, but we again step on the same rake: we continue the construction of the nuclear power plant and build it at our own expense, hoping that profit will be in 60 years! Who was so smart in our government that pushed such a shnyaga? I would very much like to know the identity of this activist, (I was not mistaken, namely the activist, from the word "woodpecker") so that in the future they would not allow us to design our projects and allocate funds! The construction of a nuclear power plant in Crimea is not profitable, and construction in Turetchina is a brand! Next: let's remove the tourists from there, and paradise will come! Will not come, and do not hope. And looking at the actions of our government, the same Davutoglu (I just want to write obscenities!) Will make such statements! What about him? Did they shoot down our plane? Shot down! Blown up a passenger plane over Sinai? blew up! Our actions? Except for loud statements - nothing! And so it will continue until our brains will not give! and it is not at all necessary to declare war. Blocked the straits? Shut off the gas! So after all at the top of our profit will go to hell! LOW! In general, there is a lot more to write! that's just from our shaking the air NOTHING WILL CHANGE!

        Absolutely agree With everything said! Betrayal in ALL echelons of power, starting from the top! Putin, on the other hand, said directly to the camera, without embarrassment of anyone: "the diplomat was given language to hide his thoughts." Like this: "We think one thing, say another, do the third."
    49. +2
      2 December 2015 09: 32
      it’s funny to hear from hysterical Turks about composure :)
      "some" are surprised, as they think, by our "soft responses" to the downed plane. I think that on the weekend people actively watched all kinds of talk shows with Zhirinovsky and others like him ... I also believe that the Turks and their main leadership should feel our answer and remember it for many years. but there is the old cliché "politics is the art of the possible". there is no need to confuse the modern Russian Federation and the USSR, which was surrounded by a friendly and not very so-called. socialist camp. the economy was almost closed, but even so, the Union could not resist. in the current situation when we are under sanctions, the economy is neither two nor one and a half (we will not even be able to feed ourselves if tomorrow they stop supplying food) and we have no allies who will really be with us in difficult times, and we can only rely on ourselves, do these "some" want us to start a military conflict with Turkey and NATO?
      Pennies will be won by our enemies and our enemies now only need "akela to miss and the whole pack had a reason to attack us, it is clear that they will not lead to a conflict, but they will strangle them in their arms. How long will our so-called political and business elite hold out in the conditions intensifying sanctions, when their kids, assets and real estate are directed to the west? a response is needed, but very verified - not 25 blows with a blunt knife on soft tissues, but one, in a dark doorway and into a vital organ.About I.V. Stalin is one of contemporaries said something like: "God forbid you to become a victim of these slow jaws."
    50. +3
      2 December 2015 09: 57
      It is necessary to hammer all these oil depots and to drive ovskie aircraft. And shedding Russian blood is not the best option. Her already spilled a lot.
    51. 0
      2 December 2015 10: 04
      I don’t know about anyone, but for me something is somehow not equivalent - the life of the pilot, the sailor, the injuries of several soldiers (including serious ones), the Su-24, the Mi-8 and the formal apology of some corrupt official - a baboon-pest even in presidential status?!
    52. -1
      2 December 2015 10: 06
      The answer is good, but I still don’t understand the hysteria in all the media on this topic. Are they creating another image of the enemy? Yesterday, an acquaintance living in Turkey wrote about the striking differences in media stories and people’s reactions among the Turks and here: the population there generally has a negative attitude towards the fact of the destruction of our Su-24, regrets what happened and condemns Erdogan, the media don’t throw crap at Russia . Our people are pumped up with hatred and delirium, plus the leavened lumpen (please do not confuse them with patriots) talk wildly about hostages and war. Why do this is not clear
      1. +2
        2 December 2015 14: 59
        Hysteria in all media is a manifestation of an information war that has been going on for a long time. As for the image of the enemy, I did not notice that the Russians were being incited against the population of Turkey. The emphasis is on Erdogan, for whom oil fraud is part of the family business, and on whose conscience the downed Su-24
        1. 0
          3 December 2015 10: 54
          the emphasis is on Erdogan, but on the Internet, valiant armchair troops are also fighting against the population)
    53. +3
      2 December 2015 10: 17
      Davutoglu decided to take an example from an alcoholic friend... First he messes up, then “we want to improve relations”, then “aggressor country”, then “give a discount on gas”...
    54. +2
      2 December 2015 12: 08
      Bagdasarov said a smart thing: there is no need to be so eager to arm the Kurds to the teeth and support them in every possible way, this will be the best answer to the unreasonable.
    55. +2
      2 December 2015 12: 47
      I wanted to write a detailed comment, but then I realized that the hysterics who have screwed up everything here won’t be interested in hysteria. If only the brains had weighed everything themselves, otherwise let them continue to splash saliva on the screen. How glad I am that in Russia our state is run by competent and balanced people, one might even say wise people. Otherwise, half of the commentators are calling for a global war. Where will you run with your children??? Or maybe you don’t live in the Russian Federation and are simply inciting hatred among Russians here???
    56. 0
      2 December 2015 12: 54
      Don't worry about us, my friend. And take better care of your nerves; it will be more beneficial for everyone.
    57. +1
      2 December 2015 13: 02
      It is necessary to calmly cover all military airfields in Turkey with calibers.
    58. 0
      2 December 2015 13: 06
      The Turks are taking the blow and teaching Russia this! Well, we made it through.
      I wonder if we had forgotten the Turkish F and if we had something like the Warsaw Pact behind us, we would have apologized a lot or we would have calmly lectured the Turks too.
      The situation is bad and it’s not worth taking a big overclock here. You shouldn’t decide off the top of your head!
      We are already under sanctions like shit! And we are using our resources, no matter what!
      We are selling despite the fall in oil and gas prices! Nord Stream, South Stream, Turkish Stream, ....
      We don’t have something like a flow to the Leningrad or Moscow region, to Karelia, to the Pskov region!
      But our people live there!
      And not in Italy, Britain, France, Turkey....
      They give us sanctions, we give them floods! True, for some reason we refuse to eat them.
      It would be nice to somehow start integrating into the world system!
      Why were we so eager to join the WTO and are stuck in sanctions? Why have they gone quiet on this topic?
      Otherwise we are fighting with almost bare ass. Again victory out of the blue!
      Geopolitical interests! Who? Russian oil magnates or ordinary Russian residents who are sitting without cheap gasoline, without gas, with food and transport, electricity, housing and communal services becoming more expensive!?
      What do they collect for a child’s operation, and all sorts of nafkas give all sorts of sand watches for 38 million.
      Brad!
      Maybe we should take care of our country! And not Syria, Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia.
      Count rubles, not dollar and euro exchange rates!
      Though ....
      Here you will express all this and you will be the “last private”! This is a site for educating “patriatism”!
      Whose is it anyway? )))
    59. +2
      2 December 2015 13: 49
      If it were up to me, this Islamofascist would hang coldly on the gallows.
    60. +1
      2 December 2015 14: 25
      Europeans have lost their sense of self-preservation... And this (historically proven) leads to the death of countries and peoples
    61. +1
      2 December 2015 14: 33
      Cooler, are you? Let him pray to God that I am not the President of Russia - I would have already demolished half of Turkey on the same day!! And the other half would have screamed in fear and walked under themselves. I would show them what it means to shoot in the back. They would remember it for the rest of their lives.
    62. +1
      2 December 2015 16: 09
      Everything is correct, we need to wait a little with the retaliatory strike, let it subside. And then how to hit the Ottoman, so that it will not be common in the future, like a “sickle in the balls”!!!
    63. +1
      2 December 2015 16: 10
      On November 29, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that Ankara expects Moscow to take more cold-blooded actions.

      “Yes,” thought the duty officer, “let’s be cool-blooded.”
      and coolly turned the key to start.
    64. Bob
      0
      2 December 2015 17: 37
      “Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu explained directly what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that the Russians should be more calm. Speaking about the special economic measures of the Russian Federation taken in relation to the Turkish Republic, he noted that not only Turkey has interests in Russia, but Moscow is also economically dependent on Ankara"
      In other words, Davutoğlu, as the country’s prime minister in charge of the economic bloc, called not to shake the boat in which we are together (we are interdependent in the trade of fruits, textiles and oil and gas). Davutoğlu believes that the Russian Federation is “sprucing up something that is not its own,” and has affected the interests of regional countries, including Turkey in the Syrian Arab Republic. Davutogly, like Erdogan, does not want to apologize to V.V.P., on the contrary, they expect an apology from the Russian Federation, since they previously warned the Russian Federation that they would shoot down our planes. As a result, we have diametrically opposite positions of the sides: the scythe landed on a stone.
      However, if you look at the issue and take into account that Turkey is an Islamic country, a different culture and civilization, you will get something like this:

      In this regard, I ask the question - What are we doing in Syria?
      We are fulfilling an international duty... It sounded good back then in 1980. The question is: is the international still alive?
      I remember when I joined the Pioneers, and then the Komsomol, I promised my Motherland that I would spare no effort to defend the interests of the working people. I sincerely believed in ideals (in my youth), until thieves and traitors took away my homeland and forced me to live according to their “concepts” (you can’t call it laws due to the crazed corruption and violations of these laws all the time), not forgetting to go overboard about democracy, freedom of choice, etc. As a result, we have a country where 90% of its wealth belongs to a handful of oligarchs-officials who enriched themselves by stealing national wealth, and Chuba.s. played a decisive role in this section, and the working people have only the right to work and death until retirement age. I come to the conclusion that the interests of the state come down to the interests of the oligarchic elite (politics is a concentrated expression of the economy - V.I. Lenin). And it seems that in Syria the interests of the oligarchs boil down to preventing the Persian Gulf countries from acquiring a transport corridor for hydrocarbons to Europe in Syria, thus depriving the country of a rich market for their (and not the people’s) hydrocarbons in Europe. Here is the price of war and its meaning. It is the economic aspect of war that is decisive.
      I consider the chosen model of state development - the “pipeline or oil-gas economy” - to be vicious and do not provide the main part of the country’s population with either national wealth or the opportunity to increase their well-being. This economic model was chosen by the oligarchic elite for personal enrichment. Let me note that in terms of the growth in the number of dollar billionaires, Moscow became the leader in the world in 2013 (http://www.rbc.ru/economics/01/03/2013/847483.shtml). We can be proud of our oligarchs.
      I think we must first return wealth to the people by nationalizing industry. Then, finally, begin to create a model of economic development in the interests of the majority of the country's citizens - an innovative economy, getting all members of society interested in economic development, including through the institution of property. But war costs a lot, first of all the lives of the country’s citizens. They still need to explain clearly in whose interests they will go to this slaughter.
    65. +2
      2 December 2015 17: 57
      He has no reason to worry. Whoever is supposed to make decisions with a cool head, even if it is Erdogan’s cool head..
    66. +2
      2 December 2015 18: 50
      Misha very competently outlined the whole situation in Turkey (I didn’t even expect it from him, well done)
    67. 0
      2 December 2015 19: 28
      Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu directly explained what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that Russians should be more cool.

      And, we don’t boil, Revenge is a dish that is served cold.
    68. 0
      2 December 2015 19: 54
      Quote: Shick
      double standards in action ..

      Well, the dears don’t take off, otherwise our dryers have been waiting for them, probably the point is not iron, it’s not like shooting at a bomber in the back. That’s it.
    69. Hiw
      +1
      2 December 2015 20: 04
      Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu explained directly what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that the Russians should be cool. Speaking about the special economic measures of the Russian Federation undertaken in relation to the Republic of Turkey, he noted that not only Turkey has interests in Russia, but Moscow is also economically dependent on Ankara.

      Davaivuglu has confused the concepts of composure and intransigence, let him be sure that if our pilots need to drop bombs on your oil pipeline, then they do it in cold blood, and incomparably with your politics. And regarding the fact that Moscow is economically dependent on Ankara - you dude confused the Russians with the Turks and the like, if the Russians have to starve to win, then we will starve, if we have to freeze our ass in a snowdrift for several days with a sniper rifle in order to shoot the enemy in the eye, then we will freeze our ass and it will not depend on Turkish panties and tomatoes, it will not depend at all
    70. 0
      2 December 2015 20: 59
      Quote: 1976AG
      For a long time it was already necessary to understand that until the West gets its teeth from us, it will dictate its conditions to us. And we continue to idealize them all. Did not expect this, did not expect that ... We must prepare for the worst!
      getting ready. We are gaining momentum. the enemy has no idea what awaits him)
    71. +1
      2 December 2015 21: 45
      He would go with his wise advice, but away am
    72. +1
      3 December 2015 04: 55
      Well, comrade. Davutoğlu, we are cold-blooded. We don’t throw stones at anyone out of silence, and immediately after throwing them we don’t run to complain to the older boys.
    73. 0
      3 December 2015 13: 57
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      now Turkey is probably being thrown to the slaughter.

      and they don’t take into account at all that Vanga said Syria has not fallen yet! and we do not let Syria fall into ruin. which means all the efforts of the enemies of humanity are in vain, and all their hatred will return to them a hundredfold! I believe in it!
    74. 0
      4 December 2015 01: 53
      Damn, has anyone noticed that Davutoglu looks like Mikhalych from a famous program on one of the Russian channels? ))))
    75. +1
      11 January 2016 21: 36
      Judging by his height, his intellect has completely disappeared.

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