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Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool

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Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu explained directly what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that the Russians should be cool. Speaking about the special economic measures of the Russian Federation undertaken in relation to the Republic of Turkey, he noted that not only Turkey has interests in Russia, but Moscow is also economically dependent on Ankara.


Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool


28 November, Vladimir Putin signed a decree on the use of special economic measures against Turkey. The president introduced banning or restricting Turkish organizations to work in Russia, importing certain types of goods from Turkey and decided to suspend visa-free agreements between the two countries (from January 1, 2016).

“To establish that tour operators and travel agents should refrain from selling to the citizens of the Russian Federation a tourist product involving visiting the territory of the Republic of Turkey,” the decree says.

In addition, the government is instructed to “take measures to impose a ban on charter flights between the Russian Federation and the Republic of Turkey”.

Recall that Turkish President R. T. Erdogan did not make a formal apology to Russia for the Su-24 plane shot down by the Turkish Air Force on the Syrian border. Last Saturday, only the expression “disappointment” from this incident was heard from his mouth, the newspaper "Sight".

Another representative of the highest authorities of Turkey, Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, seemed to have taken to compete with the president in the rigidity and categoricalness of the statements.

After meeting with NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, held on November 30 in Brussels, the Turkish Prime Minister said that before the incident with the Su-24 Russia had been informed three times about the principles of the protection of Turkish airspace. Then Davutoglu directly said that the violation of the air borders of Turkey are violations of the borders of NATO.

More militant statements followed. They are quoted TASS.

Turkey will not apologize to anyone for defending its borders, Ahmet Davutoglu said.

“Protection of national borders is not only the right of Turkey, but also the responsibility of its government, of which I am the head. This is one of the main tasks of the government. Therefore, no one has the right to expect an apology from us for defending our airspace, ”the premier said.

As for Russia's economic reaction (in the form of sanctions) to an incident in the sky, the Turkish prime minister explained everything the day before: he made it clear that the Russians were behaving incorrectly.

On November 29, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that Ankara expects Moscow to take more cold-blooded actions.

"It is not only about Turkish economic interests, Russia also has economic interests in Turkey," Davutoglu quotes "Deutsche Welle" About the reference to Bloomberg.

At the same time, Davutoglu noted that his priority task is to reduce tensions between states and prevent repeated incidents.

According to the Turkish Prime Minister, the priority for Ankara is to maintain open communications with Russia and coordinate activities in Syria. In his opinion, the crash with the aircraft showed that "the air operations of two separate coalitions in the same space can always lead to similar incidents."

Thus, let us add on our own, Ankara made it clear to Moscow that “repeated incidents” are quite possible if the Russians continue to persist and beat the militants with a “separate coalition”. Here the American line is easily visible: there can be only one coalition, and only the United States can lead it. Turkey is a member of NATO and has its own interests in the region, and Russia will have to reckon with them.

It is obvious that Davutoglu and Erdogan behave defiantly precisely because they feel behind their backs the power of NATO and the overseas hegemon, whose political interests in the Middle East largely coincide with the Turkish strategy. Ankara wants to overthrow B. Assad in Syria. Back in 2013, the warlike Erdogan called out the legitimate president of Syria is a “butcher” and a “murderer,” so the Turkish perseverance and belligerence should not be surprised.

The White House has forgotten about its recent statements - that Assad should remain in power for some time, and then there will be elections and the “transitional political process” will begin. Today, Obama, known for his selective memory and commitment to double standards, is again in favor of Assad’s departure.

November 30 Barack Obama met with Vladimir Putin in Paris, on the margins of a conference on climate change. A White House spokesman told Reuters that President Obama, in a conversation with Putin, insisted on leaving Bashar Assad from his post.

So, the motto of Hillary Clinton "Assad must go" again in action. This predictable turn in foreign American policy undoubtedly inspired both militant Erdogan and his political partner Davutoglu. Pointing to NATO and explaining to the Russians everything about the Turkish border, the latter also criticized the economic measures taken by President Putin against the Republic of Turkey. Neither Erdogan nor Davutoglu seems to be willing to understand that the friendship with Russia to Turkey would be beneficial in every sense, but the “partnership” with IG, whose fighters quietly walk back and forth across the said Turkish border and haggle over the cheap smuggled oil will not bring Ankara to anything good.

Radical Islamism, today at war with Assad, tomorrow will turn against Erdogan and his minions. In the United States, Islamists, too, will not forget to strike. Historical examples are available. Nevertheless, Turks and Americans continue to divide the terrorists into good and bad - and even do oil business with some of them.

A few words in conclusion.

On November 30, deputies of the Turkish parliament passed a vote of confidence in the new government of the republic. On the vote in the Majlis in support of the Cabinet, formed by Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, 315 from the 550 deputies spoke, reports TASS.

The agency reminds that following the results of the parliamentary elections held a month ago, the Justice and Development Party (its chairman - A. Davutoglu) regained its ruling status and the right to independently form a cabinet. According to the constitution, the new government will work for four years.

Thus, parliamentarians, though not by an overwhelming majority, expressed approval of the aggressive line that Davutoglu and Erdogan pursue in their foreign policy.

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  1. venaya
    venaya 2 December 2015 05: 29 New
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    Radical Islamism, today at war with Assad, tomorrow will turn against Erdogan and his minions

    All these religions are just an excuse, an external wrapper based on the controllability of society in order to obtain the final result, that is, benefits to those who really manage these processes. What is happening in Turkey is the result of a game of interested people who naturally play on their selfish interests.
    1. Shick
      Shick 2 December 2015 05: 41 New
      +5
      double standards in action ..
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        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 2 December 2015 08: 22 New
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          For a long time it was already necessary to understand that until the West gets its teeth from us, it will dictate its conditions to us. And we continue to idealize them all. Did not expect this, did not expect that ... We must prepare for the worst!
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco 2 December 2015 09: 17 New
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            Quote: 1976AG
            . We must prepare for the worst!

            So they push us to this worst. What will happen in the event of a military otvetka of the Russian Federation in Turkey? The United States claps its hands, saying that what is needed is that they just need a brake, or a weight on our foot, so that we could not go up economically, only war can slow us down. Well, the United States, as always (1st and 2nd world wars) will raise its economy higher while the lackeys are fighting.
            We cannot go into open confrontation, we, as a great country, can afford, respond quietly, and with a cold dish.
            А про заявление Давутоглы, выдает желаемое за действительное, это надо бы Эрдогану и Ко, с холодной головой быть, а не как истерички бегать по "кабинетам" партнеров по НАТО.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 2 December 2015 09: 28 New
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              Believe me, if an excuse is needed to start a war, they will find it! Just as if they want to avoid war, they will also find a way to settle it. They will not reckon with you only if they are confident in your weakness and your impunity!
            2. Alena Frolovna
              Alena Frolovna 3 December 2015 02: 57 New
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              That would be funny - don't be so honest ...

              Пародия на Эрдогана: "...Я пошутил про атаку на русских...врубай Таркана!"
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          3. Aleksandr72
            Aleksandr72 2 December 2015 09: 30 New
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            А вы предлагаете развязать войну? Не экономическую, что вполне приемлемо и желаемо, а самую настоящую, с применением конвенционального оружия. Ну так Турция - член НАТО, а за этим НАТО стоят Штаты, которые только и ждут возможности довести отношения всего мира с Россией и союзными ею странами не до точки кипения, а до точки невозврата - когда мирное решение вопроса уже невозможно. И эта война (которая уже идет, но только "холодная", в основном на информационном поле) станет "горячей", а после неизбежного применения ОМП (пока что силы России и ОДКБ в обычных видах вооружений несопоставимы с НАТО+США, поэтому рано или поздно, когда встанет вопрос просто погибнуть или погибнуть, прихватив с собой в лучший мир и врага будет применен весь имеющийся у России арсенал) - очень "горячей", после которой вряд ли кто-либо сможет обсуждать сидя в уютном кресле у компьютера и вися в Интернете - не будет ни кресла, ни компьютера, ни Интернета, да и привычного всем мира тоже не будет.
            We need to think a little before writing such comments and pouring water on the mill of a geopolitical rival, making a move on his side in the information war.
            I have the honor.
            PS And Davutoglu can cram his advice to the same place where Obama condolences over the downed Su-24.
            1. passerby1
              passerby1 2 December 2015 09: 50 New
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              Только вот турки не боятся ядерной войны и спокойно сбивают наш самолет, а мы боимся. Значит будут продолжать убивать наших военных, пока мы не уберемся из Сириии, а после этого начнут убивать их в Крыму и где-нибудь еще, а мы будем сидеть у компьютеров в Интернете и рассказывать друг другу, что мы не хотим "горячей" войны и как это хорошо "сидеть у компьютера в Интернете".
            2. Talgat
              Talgat 2 December 2015 21: 17 New
              +1
              I agree with you Alexander 72

              Unfortunately, we are not the USSR, and Russia with the entire CSTO is several times weaker in conventional weapons than NATO and the United States. Strategic Nuclear Forces keep the aggressor from direct attack on all of us - but in regional conflicts outside of Russia or the territory of the Collective Security Treaty Organization, provocations and aggression can be expected - it’s not necessary to cheek here - but to think through every step
          4. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 2 December 2015 10: 01 New
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            Quote: 1976AG
            For a long time it was already necessary to understand that until the West gets its teeth from us, it will dictate its conditions to us. And we continue to idealize them all. Did not expect this, did not expect that ... We must prepare for the worst!

            Well, we gave them the teeth 70 years ago, so what? It would seem that they should acquire strong immunity from Russophobia, revenge and neo-Nazism, but apparently history does not teach them anything.
            Так же не надо упрощать историю России после 1991 года. Да, тогда, у части населения появилась эйфория, что теперь нет противостояния СССР и США и..... Наши доморощенные либералы и реформаторы гайдаровцы тупо сдали Россию и её интересы, никак не заморачиваясь потерей суверенитета т.к. бухгалтерское мышление кроме цифр мало что интересует. Когда стало понятно, что всё навязанное"партнёрство"-это игра в одни ворота, в 2007 году Путин высказал мысль о многополярности мира и в 2008 году нас проверили на "вшивость"через Грузию. По сути, с 2007 года запад усиленно проводит линию на подрыв России со всех направлений. Так что нельзя сказать, что мы не ожидали. Ожидали и ускоренными темпами стали реформировать армию и обновлять вооружения. На всё про всё-9 лет. Мало конечно - раньше надо было. При этом, получили два плюса - либерастам стало тяжелее "дышать"в плане проведения политики на развал России и общество начинает верить, что Россия может за себя постоять. Да уже и понятно, что мир не наступит сам по себе. Война гибридная должна перейти в горячую стадию. Если в 2008 году использовали Грузию, то теперь вероятно на заклание бросают Турцию.
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 2 December 2015 10: 21 New
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              Unfortunately, immunity is lost over the years. This is confirmed not only by Turkey, but also by the revival of fascism. There is a need for vaccinations. It can also do without a global war, because not only the war, but its real expectation (what if tomorrow begins) teaches us to value life. The instinct of self-preservation is the only thing that can save the world.
          5. 78bor1973
            78bor1973 2 December 2015 14: 28 New
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            Все эти агрессивные линии для Турции не впервой и до добра не доводили !Сначала во все времена была жёсткая риторика ,потом обьявление войны и получение по "сусалам в мелких и крупных купюрах" !
        2. oracul
          oracul 2 December 2015 09: 07 New
          +3
          And what is the real answer - war? Russia has already done much more than expected. It is necessary to consider all factors, and not be guided by desires alone. For example, we help Syria, not just protect our borders. Betrayal is never expected. And under no circumstances can one get excited - our economy does not yet allow this.
          But there is still Crimea, Donbass.
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 2 December 2015 09: 15 New
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            Я считаю, что ответный удар по турецкой базе ВВС не привел бы к войне, но дал бы четко понять, что ответ на нападение на наших военных будет мгновенным и никто не будет после такого нападения смотреть член НАТО страна агрессор или не член. Что касается "экономика не позволяет", то об этом нужно было думать прежде чем лезть в Сирию, а коль уж залезли, нечего теперь экономику поминать с Крымом и Донбассом. Именно наше бездействие в ответ на агрессию и является прямой дорогой к потере Крыма и Донбасса.
            1. S_last
              S_last 2 December 2015 10: 47 New
              +3
              Apparently the General Staff officers of the Moscow Region consider it differently than we do. Not to mention the fact that the air group was created in Syria not at all for attacks on bases in Turkey.
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 2 December 2015 11: 28 New
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                Для ударов по высоко защищенным объектам применяются крылатые ракеты, в частности "Калибры", Х555 и Х101. Их собственно именно для этого и создавали, а не для ударов по бармалеям в пустынях
            2. DOMINO100
              DOMINO100 2 December 2015 11: 33 New
              -1
              I wrote a similar article in one article and got minus 65! you can't tell the truth here! here you just need to shout the glory of RUSSIA! that the censor is here, the same pisyun but only in the other palm!
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 2 December 2015 11: 51 New
                +6
                А вам не пофиг на все эти "-65", если вы считаете, что вы правы?
                1. DOMINO100
                  DOMINO100 2 December 2015 12: 03 New
                  +1
                  I don’t care. I’m just in fact. I already have a minus 130 and it’s funny to me how they try to punish a person like that. Just like politicians do in Russia. They’re your plane and you forbid them to supply tangerines and underpants.
                  1. navigator
                    navigator 2 December 2015 23: 28 New
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                    Quote: DOMINO100
                    I don’t care. I’m just in fact. I already have a minus 130 and it’s funny to me how they try to punish a person like that. Just like politicians do in Russia. They’re your plane and you forbid them to supply tangerines and underpants.


                    Do you propose to gasp? Volfovich has already suggested an option. One bomb and the question is closed. And then what?
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                  3. Idiot
                    Idiot 11 January 2016 21: 33 New
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                    don’t teach us how to live, our English friend, better help financially. I'll put a plus.
                  4. Idiot
                    Idiot 11 January 2016 21: 33 New
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                    don’t teach us how to live, our English friend, better help financially. I'll put a plus.
          2. 1976AG
            1976AG 2 December 2015 09: 23 New
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            Yes, where does the betrayal !? Didn’t our leadership know about Turkey’s connection with terrorists ??? Including the fraud with oil !? And since she knew, on the basis of which they trusted the Turks and turned their backs on them !? Or before that, they didn’t receive from them? As for the war, NATO and Turkey do not need it either (I hope). But history teaches us that if you do not fight back, it gives rise to a sense of permissiveness and does not guarantee the avoidance of war (remember the 1941th). And rebuff is not necessarily a declaration of war.
          3. excomandante
            excomandante 2 December 2015 09: 34 New
            +6
            Да не будет никакой войны, если западники что-то и ценят в этом мире, так это свою жизнь и свое благополучие. Не надоело самих себя запугивать "войной"?
            1. dima-fesko
              dima-fesko 2 December 2015 09: 44 New
              +1
              That's the point! If Europe is terrified, America is on the drum (they are overseas). Europe will carry the chestnuts - the theater of war and confrontation will be in the old world ... and the emigrants (migrants) will swim to mainland America, or they will themselves.
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 2 December 2015 11: 34 New
                +2
                Is Europe terrified? Yes, they just mock us. Look at the speeches of the NATO Secretary General, they fully support Turkey, not a single country, the EU member has condemned the actions of Turkey and did not offer to put pressure on her to apologize to Russia. On the contrary, according to RBC, the EU compensates Turkey for losses from Russian sanctions, Spain sends its air defense systems to Turkey, and Britain sends planes. Where do you see the horror of the EU?
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 2 December 2015 15: 43 New
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                  ЕС в ужасе от беженцев и возможных терактах. Она оказалась в заложниках политики США. Все эти провокации (Грузия,Украина и т.д.) направлены на то, чтобы "отодвинуть"(вбить клин) ЕС и РФ(ЕАЭС). Вбить клин между глобальной ЕВРАЗИИ, ее самодостаточностью - США останется на периферии мировой торговли.
                  Турция (вернее ее лидеры, все-таки не хочется ставить равенство между народом и властью) стала очередной провокацией. Ответив глобально (война или военной акцией), Россию США выставит демоном и сатаной. Поэтому очевидно, что Россия не применила все свои возможности по санкциям к эрдогановской Турцией. Еще пустится во "все тяжкие", а так Кремль оставил еще "пакет очередных мер", чтобы Эрдоган понимал, что его может ожидать при очередной провокации.
                  Эрдогану и Ко. осталось только "базарить". РФ не поддалась провокации и ... заокеанские кураторы мне кажется приуныли - в ответ полноценную базу РФ получили у себя под боком. hi
                  1. passerby1
                    passerby1 2 December 2015 18: 12 New
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                    Wake up already. It’s enough to represent the EU as poor and unhappy, which the United States forces breaking its hands to kick Russia. This is far from the case. I think on many issues it is the EU that is putting pressure on the United States, forcing them to confront Russia.
                    1. navigator
                      navigator 2 December 2015 23: 34 New
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                      Quote: passerby1

                      passerby1


                      Today, 18: 12

                      ↑ ↓


                      Wake up already. It’s enough to represent the EU as poor and unhappy, which the United States forces breaking its hands to kick Russia. This is far from the case. I think on many issues it is the EU that is putting pressure on the United States, forcing them to confront Russia.


                      You can think anything, just don’t need to pass it off as truth in the first instance. Where did you get the information from the TV? Have you ever been to pin.dosia, Europe?
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                  2. aksakal
                    aksakal 2 December 2015 20: 02 New
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                    Quote: Kasym
                    Responding globally (war or military action), the United States will expose Russia as a demon and Satan.
                    - welcome! In my opinion, in this world they still respect brute and uncouth power. And if so, then you need to do this EVERYWHERE AND ALWAYS!
                    For Putin, it seems to me, this little thing from childhood is to endure and respond only when you already endure unbearable ... I can grab minuses here, but I can’t escape from the facts. Here is the beating of the Russian ambassador in Qatar, and the killing of Russian border guards by the militants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the Right Sector at the height of the war in Ukraine ... Here again the direct clash of the Crimean border guards with the right-wingers is exaggerated until the exchange of fire on the Crimean-Ukrainian border. The situation with the SU-24 is from the same area.
                    Personally, it seems to me - pragmatism is good, but a tough emotional response in hot pursuit is still preferable. For now it’s already visible - if Ukraine would have given a proper answer in response to the murders of border guards in the Rostov Region, namely, comparing part of Kiev with the land, that’s exactly what! NOT LESS, or even the whole of Kiev in ruin - now this SU-24 would be afraid to shoot down! I definitely say that!
                    Mlyn, Putin here about the streets of St. Petersburg learned only one lesson - hit first if the fights cannot be avoided. I came from Alma-Ata streets (at one time we had tough streets. We divided and quarreled into districts) I made another. You can’t beat first! - when disassembling with the participation of the cops, it was important. It is better to be prepared for an enemy strike, to make sure that he would still hit first, but at the same time he could not inflict anything serious, in short, when he hits, play with his head so that the blow is greatly weakened.
                    Но не это главное в твоем поведении на улице! Главное - на любые провокации, даже нет, на любые самые безобидные подколки лично в твой адрес - морду посмевшего тебя подколоть В ТРУХУ! Сразу! Или завтра тебя заподкалывают и дальше вообще "ОПУСТЯТ". Путин что-то врет про улицу - нифига он не "уличный". Был бы такой - знал бы, что "сдержанность" при убийстве российских погранцов одними в будущем приведет к уничтожению российского бомбера другими. Теперь ждем уничтожения корабля, увы...
                    And there is no need to prove that street morals are somewhat different from big-time politics. I have been following politics for many years - DOES NOT DIFFERENT! All the same. The Russian bomber, with all due respect to Putin, is personally his fault. The local forum users called for a tough response even when the ambassador was beaten in Qatar - Putin said nothing. A thread comes from there and out of nowhere else! Wait for the liquidation of the ship.
                    1. navigator
                      navigator 2 December 2015 23: 39 New
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                      Quote: aksakal
                      Now we are waiting for the destruction of the ship, alas ... And there is no need to prove that street morals are somewhat different from big-time politics. I have been following politics for many years - DOES NOT DIFFERENT! All the same. The Russian bomber, with all due respect to Putin, is personally his fault. The local forum users called for a tough response even when the ambassador was beaten in Qatar - Putin said nothing. A thread comes from there and out of nowhere else! Wait for the liquidation of the ship.


                      Vanguet? And Putin blundered, of course, the forum users didn’t listen. Everything was gone, again, a thread from there, wait for the ship to be eliminated, aksakal. I hope I have to wait a long time.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 3 December 2015 16: 57 New
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                        Quote: navigator
                        Vanguet? And Putin blundered, of course, the forum users didn’t listen. Everything was gone, again, a thread from there, wait for the ship to be eliminated, aksakal. I hope I have to wait a long time.

                        - тоже надеюсь... Но отвечать по любому нужно жестко, и вы видите это прямо в настоящем времени. Повторюсь, был бы жесткий ответ по убийствам пограничников в ходе Новороссийско-укрской войны (ну насчет "Киева в труху" я сутрировал, конечно, но полный разгром тех подразделений, что атаковали, должен был быть. Посмотрите, Израиля кто-нить, кроме исконных врагов, той же "Хезболлы", у которой весь смысл существования - против Израиля, а именно из третьих стран-соседей посмеет вот так провоцировать? Асад не то что сбить израильский самолет - он молчит в ответ на провокации со стороны Израиля. Ни Египет, ни Иордания... Все знают, чем пахнет уничтожение израильского самолета. Я не понял, так нельзя? Россия относится к быкам, а Израиль к Юпитерам? Или что?
                      2. navigator
                        navigator 3 December 2015 22: 56 New
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                        Quote: aksakal
                        Посмотрите, Израиля кто-нить, кроме исконных врагов, той же "Хезболлы", у которой весь смысл существования - против Израиля, а именно из третьих стран-соседей посмеет вот так провоцировать? Асад не то что сбить израильский самолет - он молчит в ответ на провокации со стороны Израиля. Ни Египет, ни Иордания... Все знают, чем пахнет уничтожение израильского самолета. Я не понял, так нельзя? Россия относится к быкам, а Израиль к Юпитерам? Или что?


                        They reminded me of an old joke about the elusive Joe. Who needs this Israel except Palestine? And it is still intact because of the Zionist pin. Dosov. And Russia for many centuries throughout Europe, and a century already pin. I got across my throat. That's all difference. Here is one such naphthalene dreamer who put his whole life on the destruction of Russia. And Assad therefore does not respond to provocations, because it is not Perdogan, that is how the Syrian coast differs from Turkish.
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    2. Vikings
      Vikings 2 December 2015 09: 30 New
      +5
      It’s not double standards, it’s more serious. Turkish elite
      fulfills for 30 silver coins, the order of the Saudis, Qatars,
      Bahrain. Who are trying to put pressure on us like that.
      so that we would refuse assistance to Assad. Have we really forgotten the voyages
      senior Saudis to Russia in the middle of the year?
      Promises in exchange for cash injections in the economy
      refuse Assad help. After the failure of the GDP, they threatened
      all the heavenly things addressed to us. Naturally monarchy
      Gulf paid for all possible risks of Turkey in the conflict
      with Russia. That's where Davidka’s borzoi is, of course not
      there were no silent nods to the United States.
  2. U-96
    U-96 2 December 2015 08: 22 New
    +1
    Quote: venaya
    What is happening in Turkey is the result of a game of interested people who naturally play on their selfish interests.

    so name these persons by name, what to intrigue for something?
    Quote: venaya
    All these religions are just an excuse, an outer wrapper

    какой, нафиг, повод-то? С тем же успехом "поводом" можно объявить предсказания слепой старушенции. Это инструмент. И довольно действенный.
    1. Vend
      Vend 2 December 2015 09: 45 New
      0
      Russians should be more cool
      Add composure to yourself.
      1. anfil
        anfil 2 December 2015 10: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Wend
        Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu directly explained what he expects from Russia, and also made it clear that Russians should be more cool.


        Yes, our blood in the veins from frost crystallized, much more cold-blooded.

        The boy, thinking to catch eels,
        Grabbed the Snake and, looking, from fear
        Got pale as his shirt.
        Snake, on the Boy looking calmly
        “Listen,” he says: “since you won’t be smarter
        That audacity is not always easy for you to pass.
        This time, God will forgive; but beware forward
        And know who you are joking with! ”
        Aesop.


        Our ancestors were very wise
  3. marlin1203
    marlin1203 2 December 2015 10: 03 New
    +1
    Does it seem to me alone that he resembles Galustyan in maturity? laughing
    1. Tersky
      Tersky 2 December 2015 12: 41 New
      +3
      Quote: marlin1203
      Does it seem to me alone that he resembles Galustyan in maturity?

      More on a suicide before a suicide act .. No. ...not?,
  • rassel0889
    rassel0889 2 December 2015 05: 29 New
    23
    We all know how the West protects its allies !! Let the Turks ask the Poles what their union is worth! History repeats itself again and again! Only now we still learned something, and did not wait until they fed the next monster, and delivered the first blow. But in the West, the memory is very short. On the other hand, we need to thank that they awakened in us that they so persistently destroyed 25 years! The Russian spirit is invincible! Do we want war? no! But this does not mean that they are not mentally prepared for it !!!
    1. Scandinavian
      Scandinavian 2 December 2015 06: 31 New
      15
      Это кто советует быть хладнокровнее ? Неуравновешенный, импульсивный турецкий царек ? Одним словом "проститурция"
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 2 December 2015 07: 13 New
        +5
        Quote: Scandinavian
        Это кто советует быть хладнокровнее ? Неуравновешенный, импульсивный турецкий царек ? Одним словом "проститурция"

        Уж куда "хладнокровнее" - на сбитый самолёт и смерть двух военнослужащих ответили помидорным эмбарго! А не разнесёнными в клочья аэродромами и сбитыми самолётами. И так поражаюсь нашей "хладнокровности"... Хоть бы дипотношения разорвали, что ли, хоть для приличия....
      2. cniza
        cniza 2 December 2015 08: 15 New
        +8
        Quote: Scandinavian
        Это кто советует быть хладнокровнее ? Неуравновешенный, импульсивный турецкий царек ? Одним словом "проститурция"



        Revenge is a cold dish ... thanks, we know that, wait ...
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      4. 1976AG
        1976AG 2 December 2015 08: 25 New
        +7
        We survived that even the Turks teach us how to behave ... We need a sensitive answer!
        1. DOMINO100
          DOMINO100 2 December 2015 12: 08 New
          +1
          forget! as soon as the answer will be, all the accounts of your bosses in the Kremlin will be frozen!
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 2 December 2015 12: 25 New
            0
            Making decisions about answers in the competence of those who do not scare.
      5. andj61
        andj61 2 December 2015 08: 30 New
        +5
        “Protection of national borders is not only the right of Turkey, but also the responsibility of its government, of which I am the head. This is one of the main tasks of the government. Therefore, no one has the right to expect an apology from us for defending our airspace, ”the premier said.

        If they shot down the plane when it violated the border, that would be extremely unpleasant, but at least understandable, but when the protection of YOUR airspace leads to an attack of the plane that didn’t violate anything, such statements render idiocy. But no one believes in Turkey’s statements that the Russian plane has violated the border anyway.
    2. passerby1
      passerby1 2 December 2015 07: 36 New
      0
      Что постепенно превращаемся в наших "не братьев"? У нас самолет сбили, пилота убили, нас со всеми нашими доказательствами, послали далеко и надолго, сказали, что в случае чего могут добавить, а у нас опять "перемога"?
    3. U-96
      U-96 2 December 2015 08: 25 New
      0
      Quote: rassel0889
      Do we want war? no!

      товарищ, только что в соседней ветке Вы предлагали забомбить Запад в каменный век и расчистить место для "миролюбивых наций". Вы бы уж определились - хотите или нет?
    4. DOMINO100
      DOMINO100 2 December 2015 12: 07 New
      -2
      well done! how is it that you still have not received 100+ for your post.)))) always write at the end the glory of Russia and get your long-awaited advantages from the same patriots.
  • passerby1
    passerby1 2 December 2015 05: 32 New
    +6
    Турция и НАТО во главе с США просто не скрываясь издеваются и смеются нам в лицо, а если им начинают задавать какие-нибудь вопросы, вроде вопроса о том "а правда, что Су 24 был сбит над территорией Сирии, а не Турции" посылают куда подальше. Посмотрите пресс конференцию представителя госдепа Элизабет Трудо. У них есть понимание того, что никакого ответа с нашей стороны не будет, поэтому они и дальше будут продолжать издеваться и поддерживать тех, кто убивает наших военных, а если у всяких бармалеев это начинает не получаться, то сами будут убивать наших военных.
    1. Aleksander
      Aleksander 2 December 2015 05: 54 New
      17
      Quote: passerby1
      Turkey and NATO, led by the United States, are not hiding and laughing at our faces


      NON-RESPONSE OF Russia UNITED all opponents of Russia and gave them courage, while the answer, on the contrary, would disconnect them, IMHO.
      It is a threat inevitable the answer has been saved by the whole world for 70 years ...
      1. adept666
        adept666 2 December 2015 06: 12 New
        0
        It is the threat of an inevitable response that has saved the whole world for 70 years ...

        Oh something we sat up brothers
        Isn’t it time for us to roam
        Russia is young, strength is unmeasured,
        Give me a horse yes good sword
        1. passerby1
          passerby1 2 December 2015 06: 53 New
          +3
          Нееее, давайте лучше еще посидим пожалуемся друг другу на "двойные стандарты", обсудим лицемерие запада, послушаем как над нами уже просто издеваются представители НАТО и США утремся и на другой бок повернемся до следуещего убитого военного, а там по новому кругу можно повозмущаться.
      2. ramzes1776
        ramzes1776 2 December 2015 08: 00 New
        +6
        It’s necessary to extinguish all of this Turkish-Igil oil business in Syria by our aerospace forces, and to bring down Turkish planes without warning when flying Turkish aircraft.
    2. rassel0889
      rassel0889 2 December 2015 06: 26 New
      +4
      Americans say they will intercede for the Turks! The Turks believe this, and behave impudently, thinking that we will not risk attacking! Well, a clear provocation to the war, of course, the United States and NATO will throw them, as they once threw Poland. On that day, when the Turkish sea appears, or the desert (with luck), the United States immediately declares that the first ones themselves shot down the plane, and therefore the first attacked, NATO has no right to defend the aggressor’s country, etc. etc.!! But the conflict will no longer be stopped, as it was then in 39-41 ... It is a pity that people do not learn from their mistakes, one thing is good that we in Russia remember everything very well, it's hard to forget. No nation in the world has paid such a price for peace as we were then. And to protect this world, we will have to alone. After all, if we do not protect, then all those who gave their lives then died in vain ...
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 2 December 2015 07: 44 New
        +3
        Когда США и НАТО турок кинет? Вам же сказали, никакого военного ответа Россия давать не будет, поэтому не ясно, что вы подразумеваете под "США и НАТО кинут их". Пока они дружно издеваются над нами, когда мы пытаемся им доказательства представить. Мы стараемся, пыжимся, брифинги собираем, а они смотрят на все это смеются и нах нас посылают. Доказательств у нас оказывается "не той системы".
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 2 December 2015 08: 29 New
          +1
          How are we going to give no military response? And the destruction of all potentially dangerous targets, as stated, is the economic response?
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 2 December 2015 08: 33 New
            -1
            And what has destroyed a lot already?
            1. 1976AG
              1976AG 2 December 2015 08: 46 New
              -2
              Well, if you did not understand, then we were not ready for retaliatory actions. Not in terms of that there was nothing to beat, but in terms of protection from possible aggressive actions by Turkey. And if they gouged our base, would it be better? It is also necessary to answer with your head! Now, judging by the statements, they are ready.
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 2 December 2015 09: 10 New
                +5
                С чего вы решили, что сейчас мы готовы к ответным действиям? Как в первый раз испугались ударить по туркам, так и сейчас испугаемся. Что поменялось то? Опять скажем "А если они раздолбают нашу базу?" или вы думаете С 400 сможет защитить от арт обстрела базу ВВС, которая расположена в 50 км. от турецкой границы или от танков на ВПП? Также будем сидеть, обсуждать "двойные стандарты" и наше нежелание "начинать 3-ю мировую войну". Эксперты опять нам расскажут о "бестолковости" наших генералов, которые не прикрыли базу ВВС от атаки с земли и адмиралов, которые послали крейсер "Москва" обладающий чисто символической защитой от ПКР и явно недостаточной ПЛО в воды, омывающие недружественное государство. Опять сойдемся в том что "мы были не готовы", но вот сейчас пригоним в Средиземное море АПЛ, ТАКР с эскортом, развернем в Сирии пару дивизий и пусть только попробуют сунутся, уж мы им ухх покааажем.
                1. 1976AG
                  1976AG 2 December 2015 09: 37 New
                  +1
                  Уважаемый "ПРОХОЖИЙ". Заявление об уничтожении всех потенциально опасных целей делал не я, а представитель МО и , я подозреваю, что сделано оно было по указанию Верховного (а как иначе?). А он, как правило необдуманно ничего не делает. А как мы будем защищаться не хочу даже фантазировать, В МО есть специалисты.
                  1. passerby1
                    passerby1 2 December 2015 09: 55 New
                    -1
                    Х
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    And how we will defend I do not even want to fantasize, there are specialists in the Moscow Region.

                    Хороший довод из той же самой оперы что и "Все в руках Божьих"
                    1. 1976AG
                      1976AG 2 December 2015 10: 11 New
                      +1
                      In order to calculate the answer options, you need to have all the information about our capabilities, and not just what they showed on TV.
                      1. passerby1
                        passerby1 2 December 2015 10: 58 New
                        -2
                        So I’m saying that we’ll die and ban cowards from Turkey, although not, cowards, this is too much, this is clearly a disproportionate answer. What is some kind of pilot and the whole cowards? It’s impossible to flog a fever, of course it’s a pity for the pilot, but we’ll survive, and the PANTIES is a political issue, you shouldn’t forbid them from importing from the airbag.
                      2. navigator
                        navigator 2 December 2015 23: 48 New
                        -1
                        Quote: passerby1
                        So I’m saying that we’ll die and ban cowards from Turkey, although not, cowards, this is too much, this is clearly a disproportionate answer. What is some kind of pilot and the whole cowards? It’s impossible to flog a fever, of course it’s a pity for the pilot, but nothing, we’ll survive, and the COVERS is a political issue, they can’t be forbidden to import


                        I read all your opuses on a branch. Question one: did not get tired of hysteria?
                      3. passerby1
                        passerby1 3 December 2015 05: 17 New
                        -1
                        А у вас все идет по плану? Так и было задумано? Я лишь выражаю свою точку зрения. Да, я недоволен беззубой политикой, которую проводят наши власти и считаю, что такая политика прямой дорогой ведет нас к большой войне, поскольку создает у наших "партнеров" опасное представление о том, что можно безнаказанно убивать наших военных.
                      4. navigator
                        navigator 3 December 2015 08: 44 New
                        -1
                        Quote: passerby1
                        А у вас все идет по плану? Так и было задумано? Я лишь выражаю свою точку зрения. Да, я недоволен беззубой политикой, которую проводят наши власти и считаю, что такая политика прямой дорогой ведет нас к большой войне, поскольку создает у наших "партнеров" опасное представление о том, что можно безнаказанно убивать наших военных.


                        What does my or your plans have to do with it? You can plan for yourself what and how much you want. And just express your point of view, the whole branch is already full of just expressions.
                      5. passerby1
                        passerby1 3 December 2015 10: 50 New
                        -1
                        Do not like it, do not read, there is nothing to hysteria about this.
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  • Dart weyder
    Dart weyder 2 December 2015 05: 33 New
    +5
    )))))))))))))))) I imagine - the calculation of the S-400 - and now in cold blood, in cold blood we begin to bring down Turkish planes! laughing
    1. andj61
      andj61 2 December 2015 08: 39 New
      +3
      At the same time, Davutoglu noted that his priority task is to reduce tensions between states and prevent repeated incidents.

      Davutoglu believes - he is, of course, well done! Now the next steps are expected:
      1. Making a public apology for unmotivated aggression is better late than never!
      2. Criminalize specific individuals guilty of the incident.
      3. To pay direct material damage for the destruction of equipment.
      4. To pay a small compensation - $ 20-30 million to the families of the victims.
      After that, I think, it will be possible to start a conversation about resolving relations.
      1. S_last
        S_last 2 December 2015 10: 20 New
        0
        If you believe the media, it was this gentleman who gave permission to destroy the aircraft. Do you want him to be self-prosecuted? wassat
  • Violamuza
    Violamuza 2 December 2015 05: 40 New
    +3
    "Троим не верь: бабе не верь, турку не верь, непьющему не верь." (Петр I)
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 2 December 2015 06: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Violamuza
      don't believe Turk

      Well, this phrase has already been visited! But how much can be repeated from article to article?
  • Ivan Slavyanin
    Ivan Slavyanin 2 December 2015 05: 53 New
    18
    Well, we’ll be more cold-blooded - we won’t go to Turkish beaches, so as not to heat up and not to become soggy.
  • Wolka
    Wolka 2 December 2015 05: 54 New
    0
    Yeah, the Turks definitely freaked out ...
    1. Deniska
      Deniska 2 December 2015 14: 43 New
      0
      Турки сами ошалели от того что натворили. А главное теперь не признать что намеренно сбили. А хладнокровней надо быть поставить базу в Греции, заключить договорчик о коллективной обороне воздушного пространства и ....Но она блин в "нато" эта Греция.
  • sl22277
    sl22277 2 December 2015 05: 56 New
    +2
    Of course, Turkey did not expect such a reaction from Russia. Almost worn for a week, looking for support. But it was only necessary to admit his guilt and apologize .... I think that a completely different reaction would be if the Turks shot down another, not a Russian plane. Putin called the incident "a stab in the back."
    1. adept666
      adept666 2 December 2015 09: 08 New
      10
      And you just had to admit your guilt and apologize ....

      This would have happened long ago if we had done 3 things:
      1: Fierce ultimatum: Provide convincing evidence of the legitimacy of the Turkish Air Force within 30 hours or an apology with large damages. Otherwise, we consider the actions illegal, which indicates the fact of direct aggression and means a declaration of war. Send a direct request to the NATO leadership: Turkey’s actions are NATO’s actions or it’s their improvisation, the text of the ultimatum should be sent to NATO officially: deal with your member, we are waiting for an answer.
      2: At the time of the 30-hour ultimatum, declare a high alert mode in the RF Armed Forces, deploy nuclear weapons from the permanent duty mode to the operational one. (so that those who need to see this from space)
      3: Transfer to Syria except S-300/400, pieces of 5 units Iskander and Peony. (The first is the application of preemptive attacks on enemy airfields, the second will make the ground operation of the Turkish armed forces in Syria impossible, the so-called tank breakthrough with the support of terrorists)
      And it turns out that weapons of mass destruction today seem to frighten only itself, and this is not right, because it is not far from a full-fledged nuclear conflict, the dampening factor has dulled (all sorts of Turkey believed that no nuclear weapons would be fired at them). At one time, Gromyko to the Turks on the fields of a coffee break in the White House of the USA said something like this: if the straits are closed to us, we will do ours, but in this case, Istanbul will no longer be ... What happened? - shut up for nearly 40 years and did not remember all sorts of prohibitions. And now we behave like a noble sambo wrestler against a gopnik, it seems like there is enough strength to give strength in the face, but somehow upbringing does not allow (the world can solve it), and they beat us and are not shy (because the gopnik has no conscience and he understands only an even stronger blow to the jaw).
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 2 December 2015 10: 12 New
        +4
        Quote: adept666
        At one time, Gromyko told the Turks on the fields of a coffee break in the US White House something like this: if the straits are closed to us, we will do ours, but in this case, Istanbul will no longer be ..

        The USSR could afford it, because it was a state with a different social structure and ideology, the Russian Federation did not, because it doesn’t differ from the West in social structure, and there is no ideology at all, and it looks like a redistribution of the oil and gas business
        1. adept666
          adept666 2 December 2015 11: 17 New
          0
          The USSR could afford it, because it was a state with a different social structure and ideology, the Russian Federation did not, because it doesn’t differ from the West in social structure, and there is no ideology at all, and it looks like a redistribution of the oil and gas business
          Horses mixed up in a bunch of horses. And how does the Western social system prevent Western countries from destroying entire states, killing presidents and rulers?
  • sa-zz
    sa-zz 2 December 2015 05: 57 New
    +3
    DOES HE REALIZE HIMSELF SUFFICIENTLY REFRIGERATED AUTHORITY TO GIVE ADVICE?
    COOL - Synonyms:
    apathetic, indifferent, indifferent, unconflicted, passionless, insensitive, restrained, listless, indifferent, as if nothing had happened, without blinking an eye, calmly, calmly, cool, indifferent, even, cool, restrained, with a calm conscience, calmly, balanced, philosophical, phlegmatic, phlegmatic, cold-blooded
    1. rassel0889
      rassel0889 2 December 2015 06: 29 New
      +2
      Listen to them, so in general they should probably thank them, and ask for more ...
      1. nemec55
        nemec55 2 December 2015 07: 57 New
        +2
        Listen to them, so in general they should probably thank them, and ask for more ...

        No, listen to them. Pontmaesh that we DID, and a decade of wasted money and time was put in the ass and in the budget of a potential enemy.
  • Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 2 December 2015 06: 00 New
    12
    Санкции - это второе. Лично мне важно, чтобы минобороны продолжило отчитываться с предоставлением видео об уничтожении нефтевозов..туркоманов(или как их там)..и турецкой "гуманитарной" помощи. пс. на какие-то невнятные фразы из турции даже не стоит обращать внимания.
    1. S_last
      S_last 2 December 2015 11: 01 New
      +3
      Кстати минобороны России опроверг факт уничтожения нашей авиацией турецкой "гумпомощи". Лично мое мнение, они как ездили так и будут ездить.
  • Vita vko
    Vita vko 2 December 2015 06: 06 New
    +2
    The question arises, if Erdogan has such close and arms and oil ties with ISIS terrorists, then who made an explosion on October 10 during a protest rally against a surge of violence due to the Turkish-Kurdish conflict in the south-east of the country. As a result of the attack, 30 people died and 126 were injured. It is obvious that the Kurds themselves could not blow themselves up, and IS militants did not dare to risk their supply channels without the permission of the sponsors.
    Now sanctions against Turkey are being actively worked out. But for some reason, these sanctions are weakly correlated with the financial interests of the Turkish party, headed by Davutoglu. It is not difficult to get a list of party members, politicians and financiers supporting the Turkish authorities and introduce personal sanctions. And accomplices of terrorists, if there is evidence, can be put on the international wanted list.
    1. asar
      asar 2 December 2015 08: 14 New
      +3
      Взрыв был устроен командой Эрдогана, без всяких "а может", "а если"!
      It really hurts many then fart (sorry, of course - fart!) Blamed!
      Which in itself is rather strange!
      Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool

      We are cold-blooded, we are calm, we are residents of a northern country!
      А вот турки горячатся ("горячие люди") не к месту!
      However, rage further!
  • parusnik
    parusnik 2 December 2015 06: 06 New
    +5
    The Turks are stubborn, the escalation of the conflict will continue .. In the hands of the Turks the straits will not be closed, but they will spoil ..
  • Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 2 December 2015 06: 07 New
    +4
    Well, I just can’t understand why Putin tolerates such a disregard. I agree that it makes no sense to engage in a mutual exchange of threats and insults. But to respond only with economic measures to open aggression is not a manly thing.
    Типа: "Ах, ты меня ударил - забирай свой помидор".
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 2 December 2015 06: 20 New
      0
      Do not headlong try to take revenge.
      Revenge is a cold dish. And Putin will answer, he won’t leave it like that.
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 2 December 2015 07: 30 New
        +3
        Почему вы так решили? Донецк уже второй год обстреливают и Путин с этим ничего поделать не может или не хочет, хотя обещал, что "всегда и везде будем защищать русских".
        1. Cap.Morgan
          Cap.Morgan 2 December 2015 08: 57 New
          -1
          He protects.
          Is Donetsk taken? No. But not all at once.
          Of course it's a shame that not everything is as you want. But it was simply impossible to imagine that Russia would almost equally oppose the West 10 years ago. What will happen in 10 years is scary to think about. It’s just breathtaking.
          1. anip
            anip 2 December 2015 09: 19 New
            +3
            Quote: Cap.Morgan
            that Russia will almost equally compete with the West

            Equally? So what's up with a downed plane?
          2. passerby1
            passerby1 2 December 2015 09: 24 New
            +1
            Как сказала наша 58 летняя уборщица(беженка из Донецка, у которой сына убили, а невестка с ребенком пропала где-то в районе Горловки) "Уж лучше бы нас бандеровцы захватили". Ей лучше расскажите как Путин русских на Донбассе защищает. Надеюсь она вас шваброй не сильно покалечит.
        2. anip
          anip 2 December 2015 09: 19 New
          +4
          Quote: passerby1
          Путин с этим ничего поделать не может или не хочет, хотя обещал, что "всегда и везде будем защищать русских".

          He promised a lot of things. And he continues to promise that he will promise even more.
      2. anip
        anip 2 December 2015 09: 18 New
        +2
        Quote: Younger, I
        Revenge is a cold dish. And Putin will answer, he won’t leave it like that.

        Ага-ага, все ответы Путина в последнее время сводятся с приснопамятным, во времена не столь отдалённые, китайским: "Китай сурово предупреждает..."
        1. passerby1
          passerby1 2 December 2015 09: 28 New
          +2
          Я тоже вспомнил про "Китайские предупреждения", когда нашу риторику после сбитого Су 24 послушал.
      3. adept666
        adept666 2 December 2015 09: 30 New
        +3
        Revenge is a cold dish. And Putin will answer, he won’t leave it like that.
        Lord, as this phrase already sank. What kind of revenge are we talking about? If you sit and introduce only some kind of restrictive measures, then the Turks, together with the terrorists, can completely unbelt and decide even on a ground operation! There is nothing special for us to protect our guys except for nuclear weapons, or will we also make them heroes of Russia ... posthumously? Look down, let’s say what kind of Turks are bad, and here the former deputy deputy minister of Italy agrees to watch with us, and he’s out that the Austrian blogger wrote that he’s scolding Turkey! Our plane was shot down insolent, but what? But NATO waited, looked at the circus that we are arranging, i.e. wiped out by and large, I realized that there would be no serious hitting and spoke: 1) Turkey has the right to defend itself (which is strange isn’t it true, because no one attacked it, but attacked us) 2) We’ll use the 5th article without options. 3) We will strengthen Turkish air defense and take measures to organize measures to increase its security. This would never have happened in the days of the USSR (50-90), the first would have called themselves and apologized for the Turks. They gave the Turks 3 yards (they will give them more so that she wouldn’t miss the pasties to them), i.e. compensated for the near future losses from our sanctions. And we in the role of the victim who wrote the application to the district police officer for serious bandits, who have connections in the highest police circles and with our statement we can only wipe.
    2. rassel0889
      rassel0889 2 December 2015 06: 34 New
      -10
      Это провокация! Как говорят, ударили по одной щеке , подставь вторую! Или ты предлагаешь типа " Ах, ты меня ударил- а я тебя за это убью" так что ли? и в каком бы мире мы жили тогда сам подумай. Ты можешь не читать библию и не верить в бога, но то написано там истина. С этим не поспорить.
      1. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 2 December 2015 06: 49 New
        +4
        Я предлагаю: "Ты меня ударил - ты ответил за это".
        Do you suggest leaving crimes unpunished?
        Why then are courts and prisons?
        I don’t need to read sermons, it is still unknown which of us believes more and what.
    3. asar
      asar 2 December 2015 09: 43 New
      0
      Alexander!
      Everything has its time!
  • Just BB
    Just BB 2 December 2015 06: 07 New
    +1
    “This is not only about Turkish economic interests, Russia also has economic interests in Turkey,” Davutoglu quotes Deutsche Welle, citing Bloomberg.


    The construction of Akkuyu NPP began in April 2015, and with a total project cost of $ 22 billion, $ 3 billion has already been invested in it from the Russian side. The situation with the Turkish Stream is even more complicated. Gazprom spent € 4 billion only on the construction of gas transmission infrastructure in Russia for the future gas pipeline


    Трудно будет заставить Миллера и "Киндера" забыть про такие денюшки - вот турок и наглеет
  • Mantykora
    Mantykora 2 December 2015 06: 08 New
    +2
    This Davutoglu is a cold-blooded reptile. Teaches how to be scum. Yes, you can be cold-blooded if he brings two dead children back to life. Here's how to return, then you can talk. He also probably warmed his hands on oil smuggling.
  • Svarog5570
    Svarog5570 2 December 2015 06: 08 New
    +1
    All who do not fight on the side of Russia are enemies and are subject to destruction
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    2. Junior, I
      Junior, I 2 December 2015 06: 26 New
      0

      According to your theses, the whole world must be destroyed
  • izya top
    izya top 2 December 2015 06: 09 New
    +9
    interesting turns out what all countries have their own interests, but only in Russia they somehow imperial request
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 2 December 2015 06: 12 New
    +3
    Turkey will take extreme measures with us. Hiding behind NATO, the mericatos ...
    How it develops further, time will tell, but the campaign does not have to and will not have to wait for any apologies and other human feelings from them.
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 2 December 2015 06: 14 New
    10
    Тупо достали уже: "Асад должен уйти". А почему не сказать: Эрдоган должен уйти, Меркель должна уйти, Обама должен уйти. И так далее. А главное НАТО должен уйти, лучше всего - к себе домой, в штаты. Тогда и порядок быстрее наведётся.
    1. SAM 5
      SAM 5 2 December 2015 06: 30 New
      0
      Is a raven a raven?
  • Name
    Name 2 December 2015 06: 15 New
    +3
    Greetings to all! But smirk, perhaps with a funny face make up those problems that come from Russia. WE have seen such and more than once ... from the latter:
  • populist
    populist 2 December 2015 06: 24 New
    0
    Radical Islamism, today at war with Assad, tomorrow will turn against Erdogan and his minions

    The raven will not peck out the crow.
    From Latin: Comix cornici nunquam confodit oculum (Cornix cornici nunquam confodit oculum).
    A proverb known since ancient Rome.
    Allegorically: bad people easily understand each other and try to observe mutual interests.
    Fascist Germany had allies: Italy, Hungary, Romania, Finland, etc.
    Turkey and Isil are also allies. For Isil, the region is full of other goals, ideologically hostile and much weaker.
    1. Konstantin Yu
      Konstantin Yu 2 December 2015 08: 41 New
      0
      Yes, an example to the point .. the story repeats .. how it all ends already know. Another victory day will be!
  • wax
    wax 2 December 2015 06: 32 New
    +1
    There is no leader cooler than Putin on the world stage.
  • Jarilo
    Jarilo 2 December 2015 06: 45 New
    +5
    As long as there is Turkey with its claims to the revival of the Ottoman Empire, they will not let us live in peace. Therefore, the problem must be solved radically, just as it used to be with the Crimea. Methods may vary.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 2 December 2015 06: 48 New
    +7
    Есть такое понятие "потерять лицо". Для политика это бывает страшнее смерти. Лично я воспринимаю все эти "ужимки и прыжки" турецких властей - просто попыткой этого не потерять. Слишком много сказано, слишком много сделано. Уже и в последний вагон не впрыгнешь. Меня удивляет такая активная "движуха" - всякие Германии и Британии изъявили желание поучаствовать в разгроме ДАЕШ. ИМХО, это означает, что бармалеи "сдулись" и народ спешит разделить сладкое бремя победы, оттирая плечами истинных победителей? Вот не могу отказаться от этой мысли.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 2 December 2015 06: 48 New
    +1
    But where so cool? If they got excited they would have wailed, and they would have already fought in all, and just sanctions, or something selective ...
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 2 December 2015 06: 54 New
    +1
    So these criminals will be fully responsible for this! Let them sit on, time will tell! Now even their ears are afraid to show, only from under the bed blather about something there ..
  • gg.na
    gg.na 2 December 2015 07: 17 New
    +2
    Themselves in a fit of rage jump and jerk and we are advised to be cool? We are not reptiles that to be cold-blooded this time and the advice of such hysteria as the Turks do not need these two! Let them advise their wives! Advisers are figs, these are three! am
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 2 December 2015 07: 19 New
    +3
    Если бы не американская поддержка и молчаливое сопение Европы, то и Эрдоган и его премьер уже давно сидели забившись в угол и наматывая сопли на кулак. А сейчас чувствуют себя национальными "героями". И причина этому - скотское отношение запада к России.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 2 December 2015 08: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      . А сейчас чувствуют себя национальными "героями".



      Ещё не вечер, Геннадий, ещё не вечер. Пока мы делаем всё правильно, без излишнего "всехпобедю". Янки придерживаются того же правила, что и мы - "враг моего врага - мой союзник, хоть и на время". Будем посмотреть, а давать советы нашему политическому и военному руководству контрпродуктивно, там не чурки с глазами сидят.
      И не по теме: о т.н. министре обороны "ДАИШ".(клик.)
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 2 December 2015 08: 44 New
        0
        So I do not rush things. Each vegetable has its own time.
    2. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 2 December 2015 09: 07 New
      +1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And the reason for this is the bestial attitude of the West towards Russia.

      but it has never happened otherwise. it's time to get used to and rub to the nose. to do their work taking into account all factors and preferably with the least loss for themselves. but simply do not wave a lot of mind with a checker
    3. 1976AG
      1976AG 2 December 2015 09: 52 New
      0
      Georgians also hoped for American support. Not fused ...
  • 1536
    1536 2 December 2015 07: 19 New
    +1
    Reminds the bandit’s proposals to share part of the thieves ’profit, so as not to conflict. But this bandit will accept any concession as weakness and become completely impudent.
  • nemec55
    nemec55 2 December 2015 07: 48 New
    0
    Unfortunately, thanks to the naivete of the country's leadership, we are the only thing we can do in return is not to eat cheap tomatoes (I cried damn, they also turn out to be of poor quality fool and we all ate and devoured the good the situation so developed and even would continue to be poisoned fool ), etc., and not to sunbathe on cheap beaches (with service and cost many times better than in our cheapest resorts). Here I like the program Evening with Solovyov, he repeatedly asked about it there but the defendant sits in (TOP) belay
    Вот представте сколько можно было бы сделать за все время туризма в Турцию у нас в стране от Горного Алтая до дальнего востока нашпиговать отелей и зон отдыха ...."Это не есть разве вредительство.
  • lewerlin53rus
    lewerlin53rus 2 December 2015 08: 12 New
    +1
    , как диванные генералы рвутся в бой. "Весь мир в труху", "Разбомбить ядреной бомбой", ну и тому подобное. А вот интересно, они сами то воевать собираются? Или только пяткой в грудь себя стучать и пальцами по клавиатуре.Они знают, о чем в кулуарах разговаривали Путин и Обама?Представляют себе реальные возможности НАТО и России? И все последствия военного конфликта?Они готовы вместе со всеми своими близкими хлебнуть тягот военного положения и последствий?Они уверены, что наша экономика выдюжит военное противостояние? забыли, как мы в 39-41 годах собирались побеждать врага на его территории и что было потом? Кинуться в драку очертя голову много ума не надо. а вот нагнуть соперника, не ввязываясь в драку- то другой коленкор.И процесс не быстрый.
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 2 December 2015 08: 40 New
      +1
      True words, but ... so far Russia has been in a bent position.
      For a start, it would turn out straight.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 2 December 2015 09: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Al_oriso
        For a start, it would turn out

        That's it. first you need to completely straighten up and stand straight, like the USSR and the Russian Empire in their best years.
    2. Mikhail Krapivin
      Mikhail Krapivin 2 December 2015 08: 44 New
      0
      А как Вы видите будущую войну? В наполненном водой окопе с калашом в руках? Мне представляется, все закончится намного быстрее и до калаша и окопа дело не дойдёт в принципе. Поэтому задавая вопрос - "они сами воевать собираются?", надо понимать, что по сути это вопрос - "они сами готовы сгореть в термоядерном взрыве?" Лично я готов, если буду твёрдо знать, что сейчас на головы наших оппонентов с неба падает такое же счастье.
    3. passerby1
      passerby1 2 December 2015 08: 49 New
      0
      Родственники убитого пилота и морпеха про "не ввязываясь в драку" с вами бы поспорили, а скорее всего просто бы морду набили.
      1. lewerlin53rus
        lewerlin53rus 2 December 2015 08: 58 New
        +1
        and you do not decide for the relatives of the killed pilot what they would do. No matter how tragic it may be, but the death of the plane does not threaten the existence of our state, so that it would be scattered by vigorous bombs and organize a global massacre. The fact that the crime of the Turks should not go unpunished is beyond doubt. But in any case, I want a peaceful life for my children, and not that they would be burned out in a world catastrophe just because someone wants to take revenge. Revenge, be sure. But not at the expense of our own existence
        1. passerby1
          passerby1 2 December 2015 10: 03 New
          0
          А вы думаете родственники убитых добавки попросят? Бездействие в ответ на агрессию как раз и является прямым путем к ядерной войне. В какой-то момент вдруг окажется, что ни пилотов ни самолетов у вас больше не осталось, как и армии, которую либо перебили, пока вы рассуждали "о глобальной бойне" или разбежалась, видя такое отношение к жизням военных "трагично конечно", но ничего страшного, это мы переживем.
  • aba
    aba 2 December 2015 08: 12 New
    +1
    On November 29, Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that Ankara expects Moscow to take more cold-blooded actions.


    And where was the composure of the Turks on November 24, 2015?
  • Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 2 December 2015 08: 21 New
    0
    Could not advise - we have not even begun to harness. Just wrap around for now. With such power as it is now in Russia, you have nothing to fear, not ss-te.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 2 December 2015 08: 46 New
      +1
      Under Stalin, it was better
      Right now mobilization would have been going on, and half of the writers on this site would have already sat for long languages. Then they would have stormed Ararat, having laid down half a million soldiers, and by next summer would have reached Istanbul. Or maybe not.
      In the best case, it would then be necessary to feed 80 million Turks at their own expense.
      I’m only afraid that mobilization would begin now — a howl would rise to heaven!
      During the aggravation of the situation in the Donbass, I was at the local police station. The staff seemed to be informed that they might go to war. The staff was in shock. Nobody wanted to change the feeding place and the warm office on the steppes of Ukraine purged by all the winds. It was an unpleasant discovery for me. So with the rulers, for once we were lucky.
      But the answer must be.
      The best option is a revolution in Turkey. Or a military coup - as you like.
      1. sa-ag
        sa-ag 2 December 2015 10: 20 New
        +1
        Quote: Cap.Morgan
        and half of the writers on this site would already be sitting

        why is it half, in my opinion everything is polite, for using foreign technology - once, for possible communication with foreigners - two, before the presence of the transmitter was already equated to espionage, but now everyone goes with it in the form of a cell phone, so don’t think that it’s succeeded to sit out :-)
        1. passerby1
          passerby1 2 December 2015 10: 42 New
          0
          If our grandfathers were alive and young, they would have shot us all for what we had done with their country and would be right for 200%
          1. navigator
            navigator 2 December 2015 23: 57 New
            -1
            Quote: passerby1
            If our grandfathers were alive and young, they would have shot us all for what we had done with their country and would be right for 200%


            You take too much on yourself. For the relatives of the pilot, grandfathers, great-grandfathers, they decided everything. How do you know what they did.
  • Sanya Rus
    Sanya Rus 2 December 2015 08: 40 New
    0
    We are more calm than ever, and Sinop, whose anniversary was celebrated yesterday, can again repeat ....
  • Stinger
    Stinger 2 December 2015 08: 42 New
    0
    Cool, Davutoglu. You are at work. Stop burning in vain, and then scandal and stutter in public.
  • oleg46
    oleg46 2 December 2015 08: 43 New
    0
    Quote: cniza
    Revenge is a cold dish ... thanks, we know that, wait ...

    Hello! hi
    У нас - в РФ - НЕКОМУ его подавать. Только лапшу-с на уши. Одним словом, "пипл хавает"... Вот только не надо про всякие шахматные заморочки в политической фразеологии, типа "гроссмейстер политики", "цугцванг", цейтнот" и так далее. В головах "наверху" работает только одна извилина - бабло; все остальное - для камуфляжа этой мысли. wassat
  • miru mir
    miru mir 2 December 2015 08: 47 New
    +1
    Turkey is getting deeper and stronger entangled in the networks of radical Islam. And nothing good will come of it.
  • oleg46
    oleg46 2 December 2015 08: 47 New
    +1
    Guinea-Bissau will soon indicate to the Russian Federation WHAT and HOW to do in the field of foreign and domestic policy. Congratulations to all forum participants. crying
    1. lewerlin53rus
      lewerlin53rus 2 December 2015 09: 04 New
      -1
      Quote: oleg46
      Guinea-Bissau will soon indicate to the Russian Federation WHAT and HOW to do in the field of foreign and domestic policy

      Well, advise what to do?
      1. oleg46
        oleg46 2 December 2015 11: 19 New
        0
        Quote: lewerlin53rus
        Well, advise what to do?

        It was necessary to do IT earlier and in hot pursuit. What exactly? Was our plane shot down by Turkish F-16? Was! Violations of state. the border of Turkey (even briefly) was not? Did not have! Even the States have recognized. What is it then? Why were not at least 2 Turkish F-16s (or analogues) destroyed at the airfield? Attack on a sovereign state? No! Just an adequate answer. Everyone would understand everything at once, and the States in the first place. They would bark and stop. We should take an example in this regard from Israel. And so in fact - they chatted the problem and wiped themselves off. To be continued...negative
        1. lewerlin53rus
          lewerlin53rus 3 December 2015 07: 53 New
          -1
          Quote: oleg46
          Why were not at least 2 Turkish F-16s (or analogues) destroyed at the airfield?

          Why are there little things? to shy away immediately with a nuclear bomb in Istanbul. I don’t give a damn about thousands of our citizens who are on the territory of Turkey. And still get an answer from NATO according to their fifth point. Also to me, warrior!
          1. oleg46
            oleg46 3 December 2015 13: 39 New
            0
            Quote: lewerlin53rus
            Why are there little things? to shy away immediately with a nuclear bomb in Istanbul. I don’t give a damn about thousands of our citizens who are on the territory of Turkey. And still get an answer from NATO according to their fifth point. Also to me, warrior!

            Понятно. "Ответка",- как Вы выражаетесь,- от НАТО придет us anyway. Но чем больше РФ будет терпеть публичные унижения от вассалов Штатов, тем больнее будет впоследствии всем нам; тем больше мы (своим соплежуйством) провоцируем турков (они уважают ТОЛЬКО силу) на конфликт, ибо они считают нашу реакцию в данном случае НЕСОРАЗМЕРНО СЛАБОЙ! Насчет вояки, я служил в СА. И, кстати, много лет прожил в Средней Азии, так что ментальность восточных народов мне известна. Турков в юности знавал лично, сталкиваясь с ними в "уличных баталиях". hi
  • Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 2 December 2015 08: 48 New
    +1
    .. His pilots, but the generals would advise .. Advisor. Now we will be cool when we aim.
  • ibragim
    ibragim 2 December 2015 08: 53 New
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    The Turks are stubborn, the escalation of the conflict will continue .. In the hands of the Turks the straits will not be closed, but they will spoil ..

    All Middle Eastern countries understand only one thing. STRENGTH, so we need to show it specifically.
  • bugrovata
    bugrovata 2 December 2015 08: 54 New
    +1
    We will bring yours too angry - and you be calm! fool
  • Denzel
    Denzel 2 December 2015 08: 58 New
    +1
    Yes, he goes to the opera! jackal henchman. Nenado death for a mustache pull
  • Down House
    Down House 2 December 2015 09: 06 New
    0
    Davutoglu advised Russia to be cool

    Yes, it is necessary to choke this terrorist nits in cold blood, not to succumb to the evil hiss of creeping reptiles!
  • Cap.Morgan
    Cap.Morgan 2 December 2015 09: 07 New
    +1
    In the history of Russia there is one interesting feature.
    At the beginning of every century, in the first quarter, Russia will face a serious shock.
    The remaining three quarters of a century is a progressive development with serious foreign policy positions in the world.
    17th century - Troubles and subsequent development, land unification, Smolensk, Ukraine’s accession ...
    18th century - Northern War - modern army, Baltic, navy, then expansion of the country to the south, north and west.
    19th century - Napoleon -, then we are in Europe, ours in Alaska, California, Turkestan, the Caucasus ....
    20th century - World War I, revolution - we are in Berlin, in Europe, friends with China, our allies around the world. Ocean Fleet, we are in space. America is terrified.
    21st Century. Ukraine, Syria ... Well. Continue?
  • press officer
    press officer 2 December 2015 09: 13 New
    +1
    Quote: Al_oriso
    Well, I just can’t understand why Putin tolerates such a disregard. I agree that it makes no sense to engage in a mutual exchange of threats and insults. But to respond only with economic measures to open aggression is not a manly thing.
    Типа: "Ах, ты меня ударил - забирай свой помидор".



    Forgot about our tourists in Turkey? 10 thousand.! This is not khukh-mukhra! You can’t risk so many people! As far as it was clear from the words of Lavrov, we will wait for our all to return. Last departures on the 20th of December. The rest will follow later. Everyone understands this in Geyrop and in the Mattress! While the tourists are sitting, we wait ... until the first star.
    And then, you think ours will not dare to go to Turkey to relax again? Through other countries. Yes Easy! They don’t care! If it’s impossible, then let's go! We began to discuss such things at work, I had to explain it with dumb fingers, that if you fly there, no one guarantees anything to you and if they cut off your head or capture you, nobody will help you! Only then did the people begin to reach! They are still flying to Egypt! Bypassing ours.
    So, what’s there masculine or not masculine, you got it too early!
    P.S. By the way, the area where everything happened (with our plane) was already cleared as soon as the rescued pilot was taken. Today there will be an extended report on this topic in the news show.
    1. anip
      anip 2 December 2015 09: 53 New
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      Quote: press attache
      By the way, the area where everything happened (with our plane) was already cleared as soon as the rescued pilot was taken.

      Yeah, and those bearded shots sat there, waiting for when they would clean them.
  • Jozef42
    Jozef42 2 December 2015 09: 14 New
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    Emir of horseradish .... he will teach Russian more. Have you been beaten for a long time?
  • vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 2 December 2015 09: 17 New
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    In order to change something in this situation, we need patience, calmness and endurance - these are inalienable qualities of a real sniper.

    This is a call to us to be sheep.

    There is a leader of the sheep flock - Wolf
    And there are food problems;
    Sheep's duty - keep calm
    Then their life will be good ...
    1. anip
      anip 2 December 2015 09: 54 New
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      Quote: vladimirvn
      There is a leader of the sheep flock - Wolf
      And there are food problems;
      Sheep's duty - keep calm
      Then their life will be good ...

      When a wolf every time,
      Lamb just for lunch.
  • Victor Demchenko
    Victor Demchenko 2 December 2015 09: 27 New
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    you know, men, but in my opinion they are bred as the last suckers! how many tryndzha was and HOW our rulers puffed out their cheeks, but carefully read Putin’s decree on sanctions imposed on the Turks and ... sad it became again bitter and insulting for the power! stop Well, how much can we hold on to fools? Well, we hit the country's economy very hard (I mean Turkey), abandoning their resorts and tomato? Well, they really scared them, yeah! Here are the Turks who took the measures very appropriate even: they covered the bay and ... our people are silent and chewing snot!
    true.info - Does the blockade of Russian military courts in the Bosphorus mean that Turkey took advantage of the clause from the Montreux Convention, and therefore Ankara believes that Russia is at war with Turkey?
    we are reassured and can continue to continue to puff out our cheeks, but after all, in the real life of our Turetschina’s economy, the losses will be minimal, but again we are stepping on the same rake: we are continuing to build a nuclear power plant and building it on own funds надеясь на то, что прибыль будет через 60 лет! это кто ж такой умный был у нас в правительстве, что такую шнягу протолкнул? очень бы хотелось узнать личину этого деятетеля, (не ошибся, именно деятетеля, от слова "дятел") что бы впредь не допускать до проектирования наших проектов и размещения средств! Вот строительство АЭС в Крыму - это не рентабельно, а строительство в Туретчине это бренд! Далее: давай туристов оттуда уберём, и наступит рай! Не наступит, и не надейтесь. И глядя на действия нашего правительства правильно тот же Давутоглу (так и хочется написать матом!) будет делать такие заявления! А что ему? Сбили они наш самолёт? Сбили! Взорвали пассажирский самолёт над Синаем? взорвали! Наши действия? Кроме громких заявлений - ничего! И так и будет продолжаться, пока наши по мозгам не дадут! и совсем не обязательно объявлять войну. Перекрыли проливы? Перекройте газ! Так ведь у верхушки нашей прибыль полетит к чертям! НИЗЗЗЯ! В общем и целом написать можно ещё очень много! вот только от нашего сотрясания воздуха NOTHING WILL CHANGE! stop
    1. oleg46
      oleg46 2 December 2015 11: 32 New
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      Quote: Viktor Demchenko
      you know, men, but in my opinion they are bred as the last suckers! how many tryndzha was and HOW our rulers puffed out their cheeks, and carefully read Putin’s decree on sanctions imposed on the Turks and ... it became bitter and insulting to the power again! Well, how much can we hold on to fools? Well, we hit the country's economy very hard (I mean Turkey), abandoning their resorts and tomato? Well, they really scared them, yeah! Here are the Turks who took the measures very appropriate even: they covered the bay and ... our people are silent and chewing snot!
      true.info - Does the blockade of Russian military courts in the Bosphorus mean that Turkey took advantage of the clause from the Montreux Convention, and therefore Ankara believes that Russia is at war with Turkey?
      нас успокаивают и могут потихоньку далее продолжать надувать щеки, но ведь в реале действий то наших экономика Туретчины убытки понесёт минимальные, а вот мы опять наступаем на те же грабли: продолжаем строительство АЭС и строим то её на свои средства, надеясь на то, что прибыль будет через 60 лет! это кто ж такой умный был у нас в правительстве, что такую шнягу протолкнул? очень бы хотелось узнать личину этого деятетеля, (не ошибся, именно деятетеля, от слова "дятел") что бы впредь не допускать до проектирования наших проектов и размещения средств! Вот строительство АЭС в Крыму - это не рентабельно, а строительство в Туретчине это бренд! Далее: давай туристов оттуда уберём, и наступит рай! Не наступит, и не надейтесь. И глядя на действия нашего правительства правильно тот же Давутоглу (так и хочется написать матом!) будет делать такие заявления! А что ему? Сбили они наш самолёт? Сбили! Взорвали пассажирский самолёт над Синаем? взорвали! Наши действия? Кроме громких заявлений - ничего! И так и будет продолжаться, пока наши по мозгам не дадут! и совсем не обязательно объявлять войну. Перекрыли проливы? Перекройте газ! Так ведь у верхушки нашей прибыль полетит к чертям! НИЗЗЗЯ! В общем и целом написать можно ещё очень много! вот только от нашего сотрясания воздуха НИЧЕГО НЕ ИЗМЕНИТСЯ!

      Absolutely agree With everything сказанным! Предательство во ВСЕХ эшелонах власти, начиная сверху! Путин же прямо так и сказал на камеру, никого не стесняясь: "язык дипломату дан для того, чтобы скрывать свои мысли". Вот так вот: "Думаем одно, говорим другое, делаем третье."
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 2 December 2015 09: 32 New
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    it’s funny to hear from hysterical Turks about composure :)
    "некоторых" удивляют, как им кажется, наши "мягкие ответы" на сбитый самолет. думаю, что на выходных народ активно смотрел всевозможные ток-шоу с участием Жириновского и иже с ним... я тоже считаю, что турки и главное их руководство должно прочувствовать наш ответ и помнить о нем долгие годы. но есть старое клише "политика искусство возможного". не нужно путать современную РФ и СССР, у которого было окружение из дружественного и не очень т.н. социалистического лагеря. экономика была почти замкнута, но даже несмотря на это Союз не устоял. в нынешней ситуации когда мы находимся под санкциями, экономика ни два ни полтора ( мы даже прокормить себя не сможем если завтра прекратят поставлять продукты) и у нас нет союзников, которые реально будут с нами в трудную минуту, и мы можем полагаться только на себя, эти "некоторые" хотят чтобы мы начали военный конфликт с турцией и нато?
    пен достан цам и другим нашим врагам сейчас только и нужно чтобы "акела промахнулся и у всей своры был повод на нас накинуться, понятно, что до конфликта дело не доведут, но в объятиях задушат. сколько продержится наша так называемая политическая и бизнес элита в условиях усиливающихся санкций, когда их детишки, активы и недвижимость устремлены на запад? ответка нужна, но очень выверенная - не 25 ударов тупым ножом по мягким тканям, а один, в темной подвортне и в жизненно важный орган. про И.В. Сталина один из современников говорил что-то вроде: "не дай вам Бог стать жертвой этих медленных челюстей".
  • antifa
    antifa 2 December 2015 09: 57 New
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    It is necessary to hammer all these oil depots and to drive ovskie aircraft. And shedding Russian blood is not the best option. Her already spilled a lot.