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Grushko presented to the alliance facts proving the intentional attack of the Russian Su-24 by the Turkish Air Force

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Russia's permanent representative to NATO, Alexander Grushko, provided the deputy general secretary of the alliance, Alexander Vershbow, with evidence of a deliberate attack by the Turkish Air Force on a Russian bomber, reports RIA News message of the representative of the meeting.




“Indeed, I had a conversation with the first NATO Deputy Secretary General Vershbow on the incident with the Su-24. True, he did not limit himself to those aspects that were mentioned by Secretary General (Jens) Stoltenberg. I outlined the Russian assessments of the incident, cited a combination of military and political factors that indicate the deliberate nature of the attack on the Russian aircraft in Syrian airspace, ”said Grushko.

He stated that the responsibility for the downed Su-24 lies with the North Atlantic alliance.

“He stressed that NATO, without giving a principled assessment of this illegal act, in fact, politically covered Ankara - a member of the alliance, and therefore is responsible for the incident. Once again, we see that considerations of political expediency prevail over objectivity and just common sense, ”the diplomat said in a commentary.

“This is not the first time that NATO has shown“ double standards ”in favor of Atlantic solidarity,” Grushko said.

He recalled that "October 5 alliance in connection with the so-called violations of the airspace of Turkey by Russian aircraft referred to the" NATO practice ", in accordance with which the Turkish fighter approached the so-called" violator ", identified it and escorted it to the moment of exit from the airspace country".

“In the case of the November 24 incident, even if we take for granted an unsupported version of the violation of Turkish airspace, these NATO regulations were not observed. Indeed, according to Ankara, the pilots did not even know whose plane violated the airspace. How and on what basis was the decision taken to launch a missile for the defeat of an aircraft located in the airspace of Syria that did not pose any threat to Turkey, in NATO they prefer not to go deep. It is clear why, ”said Grushko.
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  1. prabiz
    prabiz 1 December 2015 09: 32 New
    +1
    NATO will very much regret this fact! repeat
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 December 2015 09: 34 New
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      Quote: prabiz
      NATO will very much regret this fact! repeat


      it will not be sorry, except in words, but it can be sorry ...
      1. Temples
        Temples 1 December 2015 09: 41 New
        21
        Why should NATO regret it ???
        NATO does not supply us with tomatoes.
        They can speak both there and there.
        NATO has bolted this attack.
        This is our problem. So far ours.
        And then let's see what steps will be.
      2. shibi
        shibi 1 December 2015 09: 45 New
        +6
        There is no point in discussing this moment with NATO.
        They don’t see anything, they don’t hear anything, they won’t tell anyone.
        This has been known for a long time.
        They will simply carry nonsense.
        1. evge-malyshev
          evge-malyshev 1 December 2015 12: 27 New
          0
          Though ... s in the eye - all God's dew. Double standarts? For them: it's too soft. They have them (at least some) are generally absent.
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        3. Manul
          Manul 1 December 2015 12: 34 New
          +2
          Quote: sibi
          There is no point in discussing this moment with NATO.
          They don’t see anything, they don’t hear anything, they won’t tell anyone.
          This has been known for a long time.
          They will simply carry nonsense.

          This is not a discussion. This is a report to the NATO members of our position. "We know that it is you. And we will not forget. Consider this."
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 December 2015 10: 42 New
        +3
        Quote: vorobey
        Quote: prabiz
        NATO will very much regret this fact! feel


        it will not be sorry, except in words, but it can be sorry ...

        Vaguely imagine under what circumstances NATO will really regret it.
        Let's be realistic. Nato uses Turkey against us, defending it guided by the principles of corporate solidarity with the public.
        We need to be on our guard and take military measures to prevent and counteract this hostile bloc without exception.
        We are not going to fight with them, but they should know that they will get a real and powerful answer, if they do something like that again! angry
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 December 2015 10: 54 New
          +3
          Quote: GSH-18
          Vaguely imagine under what circumstances NATO will really regret it.


          you yourself see a mess in the minds of members of the Alliance .. as soon as it comes to Russia in Nato, fermentation begins as if it were a young wine and not a respected organization ... and the more this fermentation is the better it will either break the cork or the vessel smells ...



          Quote: GSH-18
          Nato uses Turkey against us, defending it guided by the principles of corporate solidarity with the public.


          expected something else? but nevertheless, the Czechs and Greeks spoke in the wrong direction ..
    2. vodolaz
      vodolaz 1 December 2015 09: 34 New
      -2
      I think NATO has repeatedly regretted that Turkey was accepted.
      1. just exp
        just exp 1 December 2015 09: 38 New
        +6
        why should they regret it? if necessary, thrown into 2 accounts. here the game is different, the states can hit us on 2 fronts. Turks in Syria, kakly in Crimea. at the same time, the states themselves will be well guilty of nothing, they are all themselves.
        1. Temples
          Temples 1 December 2015 12: 55 New
          +2
          Whom will they throw out? Turkey?
          Turkey as a state for NATO is zero !!!
          So is the whole of Europe.
          Turkey and other neighbors of Russia are important for NATO (read the United States) only by its geographical location.
          The leadership of these countries can be neglected.
          There are no countries independent of the United States.
          Putin does not talk with Erdogan, but rubs with black precisely for this reason.
          And the guardian swept as a mongrel after the attack for the same reason, first to the owner, and then with a message from black to the opposite force - to Russia.
          So now there is a force check.
      2. dorz
        dorz 1 December 2015 09: 51 New
        +1
        Nato turns on the brain where it suits them.
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 1 December 2015 10: 33 New
        0
        Quote: vodolaz
        I think NATO has repeatedly regretted that Turkey was accepted.

        No, they did not regret it, and they are unlikely to be expelled from NATO. Turkey has a very favorable geographical position, and therefore NATO assets will not be scattered around such assets. They understand that “a holy place does not exist empty” and if not them, then someone else will control this territory.
        Another question is Erdogan.
        So of the two options: Turkey-NATO and Erdogan-NATO, they will probably just eliminate the second option.
    3. cniza
      cniza 1 December 2015 09: 35 New
      +4
      Quote: prabiz
      NATO will very much regret this fact! repeat


      Yes, they are blind and deaf, but nothing will be cut out soon, but no, we will help.
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    5. Finches
      Finches 1 December 2015 09: 39 New
      +3
      The best argument for NATO is our air-to-air or S-400 missiles! As Dr. Preobrazhensky would exclaim: "Actual! Real !! Armor!"
    6. Vikings
      Vikings 1 December 2015 09: 43 New
      +4
      In this case, NATO provided enough materials
      proving our innocence. But although indirectly, but recognizes.
      In my opinion, the emphasis of rhetoric needs to be shifted to the plane
      further preventing such an incident!
      rebuffed then it must be a bureaucrat from NATO, on the fingers
      what will happen to those who allow themselves to do something about
      not only Russia, but also its allies !!!
    7. Now we are free
      Now we are free 1 December 2015 09: 48 New
      +7
      Quote: prabiz
      NATO will very much regret this fact! repeat

      Greetings Sergey hi
      Well, it can and will be regrettable, but nevertheless, taking such a step (and I think the team was from the White House), NATO also calculated the consequences. We are not fighting fools. NATO is a mercantile, cold-blooded and unprincipled adversary. It is possible to appeal to his conscience, morality, and gentlemanhood only when it is beneficial for NATO itself. NATO, or rather the United States, simply threw Turkey at us (as before Ukraine) and calmly stepped back a step watching our reaction, handing over one of its owns is not difficult for them to get the final result. I’m afraid, as if the other day, they didn’t “throw” us at any of the Baltic states in order to hypothetically completely block the border with Europe: Turkey-South, Ukraine / Poland-Center, Baltic-North.
      Fortunately, guys like the Swedes are sending NATO the forest with their fairy tales about “The Terrible Russian Submarines”.

      Regarding the downed Su-24, NATO, as we see, is demonstratively distancing itself from Turkey in the hope that the Russian Federation under this auspices will have a serious snack with the Turks. This is what alarming the losses in the image for NATO as having surrendered its (albeit sick on the head) BUT member, is compensated by another theater of economic war / war, which the Russian Federation will enter and accordingly, which will spend its far from bottomless forces, both military and economic .
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 1 December 2015 10: 05 New
        +4
        Quote: Now we are free
        Regarding the downed Su-24, NATO, as we see, is demonstratively distancing itself from Turkey in the hope that the Russian Federation under this auspices will have a serious snack with the Turks.


        Iskander ... hi Ours had a snack with the Turks, but hit in the pocket, but with the presence of C400 and missiles on Sushki, the whole of NATO must now be reckoned with .. and by the way, I did not notice any restrictions on the Turks in strategic directions, plus Dvorkovich yesterday so tearfully asked for a delay ... even I cried ..
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 1 December 2015 10: 19 New
        +3
        Quote: Now we are free
        NATO, as we see it, is demonstratively distancing itself from Turkey in the hope that the Russian Federation under this auspices will have a serious snack with the Turks.



        The Turks have seriously interfered with the work of our VKS ...

        In the area where our plane was shot down, militant groups cling to the Turkish border itself, and therefore, when they attack, our aircraft sometimes “perforce” sometimes “catch” the edge of Turkish airspace ...

        These militant groups not only solve certain issues for Turkey’s purposes, they also provide for the transportation of oil caravans to Turkey ... So the Turks, of course, will protect them ...

        It should be remembered that when the destruction of one of the last oil caravans killed about 500 Turkish soldiers guarding this caravan ... But this was already the next day after the downing of our plane ...

        So there is a tie at the border - Mama Do not Cry ... Plus, this area is under the guise of the Turkish air defense forces ... But it’s necessary to hollow ...
        1. fraer
          fraer 1 December 2015 10: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: veksha50
          The Turks have seriously interfered with the work of our VKS ...

          On the territory of Turkey, in Adana is the US Air Force base. Incerlik.
          In a straight line to the crash site 200 km. 5 minutes fly.
          Do not find a connection? And as always, "random" pictures.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 1 December 2015 11: 32 New
            +1
            Quote: fraer
            On the territory of Turkey, in Adana is the US Air Force base. Incerlik.
            In a straight line to the crash site 200 km. 5 minutes fly.
            Do not find a connection? And as always, "random" pictures.



            I don’t see any connection and threat to the air base ...

            The Su-24 was shot down after being bombed by the mujahideen and the air base was not at all threatened ...

            PS Moreover, even the thought that our people could send (supposedly) an airplane to threaten not only the Turkish aircraft, but also the US air base ... wouldn’t even think of that ...
            1. fraer
              fraer 1 December 2015 14: 28 New
              +5
              Quote: veksha50
              I don’t see any connection and threat to the airbase ...

              No, I didn’t mean that. Isn't this the first plane shot down by NATO?
              "Short-term violation of the air border, can never be a reason for attack"
              Reggine Erdogan. June 2012. POSTEANS.RU
              I understand that everything can be slapped with a tongue. But still...
              And the "lovers", as always on the meta, took pictures.
        2. Vita vko
          Vita vko 1 December 2015 10: 50 New
          +1
          Quote: veksha50
          Plus, this area is under the cover of Turkish air defense forces

          If the delivery of air bombs to the area poses a serious risk to aviation, that is, artillery and missiles. Efficiency is certainly less and in the mountains it’s not possible to tighten guns everywhere, but the range of launching Turkish air-to-air missiles allows attacking from its territory. So MLRS to help us.
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 1 December 2015 11: 30 New
            0
            Quote: Vita VKO
            If the delivery of air bombs to the area poses a serious risk to aviation, that is, artillery and missiles.



            Most likely, those bandits are located in places where Syria’s artillery doesn’t get them ... There, if you look at the map, hell is that bow on the side ... a bunch is small ...
        3. vorobey
          vorobey 1 December 2015 10: 57 New
          +3
          Quote: veksha50
          Plus, this area is under the cover of the Turkish air defense forces ... But it’s necessary to hollow ...


          they need to be introduced to the caliber closer .. turn to the Turks for permission to fly missiles ... laughing
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 1 December 2015 11: 28 New
            0
            Quote: vorobey
            they need to be introduced to the caliber closer .. contact the Turks for permission to fly missiles



            Yes, not to the Turks ... To the GDP ... And after the "Turkish gambit" with our plane, it is generally undesirable to ask for them ...

            PS It is a pity that Turkey is a member of NATO .... And it is very strange that now we regret not only us, but also NATO members ...
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2015 09: 33 New
    +7
    provided data to Deputy Secretary General of the Alliance Alexander Vershbow

    It is very doubtful that even after this, NATO’s attitude to the criminal incident will somehow change.
    1. svetoruss
      svetoruss 1 December 2015 09: 35 New
      +2
      Yeah, they brazenly looking into our eyes will continue to repeat that Turkey has the right to defend its territory, and our plane violated the border
      1. dorz
        dorz 1 December 2015 09: 48 New
        0
        The Turks acted very irresponsibly. These tyrants start wars,
        Erdogan seems to be in power for a long time.
      2. donavi49
        donavi49 1 December 2015 10: 33 New
        +2
        So, after all, it may be worth taking the position of NATO, voicing from the level of GDP:

        “But we, not the lackeys, did not know that the world had changed and today it’s normal to shoot down any invading airspace, even 10-17 seconds! We’ll meet the reconnaissance forces in the Far East and the mistaken NATO troops in the Baltic, wave our wings and force them out, but it’s necessary shoot down. Good ... "

        And the next intruder (and they happen once or twice a month) is indicative of shooting down, it is desirable that the wreckage fall into the territory of Russia.
  3. Moore
    Moore 1 December 2015 09: 36 New
    +4
    So what? Well, they will listen to A. Grushko with a squeamish expression on European faces - and so what? Rush to shame Erdogan? And he, ashamed, will recall the submarines from the area of ​​deployment of "Moscow" and remove the tanks from the border.
    Shchaz.
  4. Ai yai
    Ai yai 1 December 2015 09: 36 New
    0
    It was originally supposed to be! But for me, the fact that NATO is not particularly writing on this topic indicates that there was no border violation!
  5. Vik66
    Vik66 1 December 2015 09: 36 New
    +1
    And spit in their eyes - God's dew! am
  6. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +3
    It’s difficult to say whether such dialogues are needed. Probably needed. But the fact that they will influence something from the realm of science fiction. To know that they know, that’s all. So that any of our opposition is justified.
  7. vadimtt
    vadimtt 1 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +2
    Alas, the old Anglo-Saxon principle "he is of course a bastard, but this is our bastard!" no one has canceled. As already said, the maximum - they will be "sorry", scs.
  8. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 1 December 2015 09: 41 New
    +2
    Until a full-fledged alliance of states such as the Warsaw Treaty Organization with comparable resources appears. NATO will deeply spit on such incidents.
  9. moskowit
    moskowit 1 December 2015 09: 42 New
    +3
    It seems Vladimir Volfovich is right. He voiced the version that the plane with Turkish identification marks was controlled by an American pilot. And all responsibility for the murder rests with the United States.
  10. chaldon
    chaldon 1 December 2015 09: 43 New
    +3
    Turkey is too geographically advantageous for NATO, relative to Russia and the Middle East, for the West to put too much pressure on it. Yes, tankers with oil from Daesh are probably also intended for NATO countries. So, not only the Turks are smeared with this oil, but also their lawyers from the West
  11. Fisman
    Fisman 1 December 2015 09: 44 New
    +3
    they all know themselves, but pretend to be fools.
  12. Kachesgm
    Kachesgm 1 December 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    A sister in Canada lives and works with an employee at an enterprise. So there they are discussing the NATO congress on how to respond if Turkey blocks the straits and ... or do we get their plane down? Because it will be a declaration of war, then there they think, is it worth supporting an ally?
  13. Roman 25
    Roman 25 1 December 2015 09: 49 New
    0
    Corporate ethics, damn it ... on ...
    As always, everyone on the sidelines allegedly supporting Russia. But in reality, no one has yet been allowed by the owners, cannot even meow ... negative
  14. solovey
    solovey 1 December 2015 09: 50 New
    0
    We are waiting for Erdogan’s promise to bring down our planes - then we'll see how NATO speaks !!!
  15. Lex.
    Lex. 1 December 2015 09: 50 New
    +4
    On the downed Boeing Ukraine, too, facts were provided, so what?
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  16. corn
    corn 1 December 2015 09: 53 New
    +3
    "I set forth Russian assessments of the incident, cited a combination of military and political factors" (Grushko)
    No facts are given in the article. Only conclusions with quotes. Why did the author assume that the "facts are presented".
    How nonprofessionals hesitated in everything and, first of all, “scribblers”.
    It’s a pity that I took the headline and lost time. All I can do is put a minus on the article and wonder again what the “commentators” are discussing, because what is displayed on the window does not correspond to what is in the store (only regarding the article).
    For those who read my commentary to the end. My opinion is not about the fact of the downing of our aircraft, but about the fact of an attempt to manipulate our (and mine in particular) consciousness. Many are doing this.
    1. corn
      corn 1 December 2015 14: 36 New
      0
      the minus article is mine. the reason is in the comment.
  17. Yoshig
    Yoshig 1 December 2015 09: 55 New
    0
    We met, exchanged views and parted for a detailed analysis of the opponent’s positions. No action - nothing has changed. On neither side are fools. We need to build versions and guesses.
  18. Signal
    Signal 1 December 2015 09: 57 New
    0
    Turkey does not let Russian ships through the Bosphorus.

    http://rusvesna.su/news/1448952422

    1. corn
      corn 1 December 2015 10: 26 New
      +7
      Quote: Signal
      Turkey does not let Russian ships through the Bosphorus.

      And so Yandex translator translates:
      Turkey: Russian ships wait a few hours to cross the Bosphorus
      Do not sow panic, or wanted to be noted?
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 1 December 2015 10: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Signal
      Turkey does not let Russian ships through the Bosphorus.


      According to media reports, as of December 1, the strait has already been opened for Russian vessels and now the pass is carried out as usual without delay.
  19. Kupez4
    Kupez4 1 December 2015 09: 57 New
    0
    Quote: prabiz
    NATO will very much regret this fact! repeat

    Based on historical facts, they all then begin to regret.
    1. inpu
      inpu 1 December 2015 11: 48 New
      0
      Quote: Kupez4
      Quote: prabiz
      NATO will very much regret this fact! repeat

      Based on historical facts, they all then begin to regret.

      And we count the millions of dead.
      1. Weyland
        Weyland 2 December 2015 01: 49 New
        0
        Quote: inpu
        And we count the millions of dead.


        Which side?

        And recall, in which of the Russian-Turkish wars, the death toll went to millions? fool
  20. Million
    Million 1 December 2015 09: 57 New
    +1
    Nato still does not admit his guilt
    1. Turkir
      Turkir 1 December 2015 10: 16 New
      +2
      Russia shifts blame from Turkey to NATO.
      And, rightly so, Russia is obliged to accuse NATO of actions against it, and not just prostitution. For its member Erdojap, NATO should be held accountable.
      But to do this (provide evidence) is necessary not in verbal negotiations - but in writing. It was necessary to accuse NATO of assaulting the Russian Federation at the UN.
      Why this question is not considered at the UN is strange.
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  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 10: 17 New
    +3
    But is it really possible that the United States, after the downing of our SU-24, indicated Turkey to strengthen its land border, Turkey has already pulled troops there. Naturally, Erdogan of the type threatened me with measures if their S-400s were shot down, the plane could be substituted, we we’ll kill him, and Turkey, like a countermeasure, enters troops into Latakia and spreads our military base along with S-400 tanks and infantry. She only takes 2 hours to do this. This delusional version has already been voiced in articles earlier. But in fact, we are not ready to meet and reflect tanks and ground forces.
    1. Alexey Lesogor
      Alexey Lesogor 1 December 2015 10: 31 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      and Turkey, like a countermeasure, enters troops into Latakia and spreads our military base along with S-400 tanks and infantry. It only takes 2 hours. This crazy version has already been announced in articles earlier.But in fact, we are not ready to meet and reflect tanks and ground forces.


      Of course nonsense. I think something serious will come to the Turks, but it will already be World War 3. They need it ???
      1. Bully
        Bully 1 December 2015 12: 06 New
        +1
        Quote: Alexey Lesogor
        Of course nonsense. I think something serious will come to the Turks, but it will already be World War 3. They need it ???

        Will World War 3 begin? And here comes the moment of truth. Indeed, in order for the West to harness the adult for Turkey, there must be one of two things:
        1. They should be frostbitten all over the head, i.e. be ready to die. What is the question for? (Looking at the pampered western leaders this is not observed)
        2. Must be 100% confident in their victory. There is also a problem - they don’t have such confidence.
      2. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 1 December 2015 13: 08 New
        +4
        Why be surprised ... With this possessed Turk, you can expect anything ... They "got off easy" with the plane ... And if Erdogash bit her a bite, then she could go on this adventure regardless of the rest of NATO. !
        Our government and the Defense Ministry need to monitor the accumulation and concentration of Turkish forces from space ... Intelligence to probe the situation ... And generally to officially warn NATO of a nuclear strike against these forces in the event of an attack ... Officially, and the whole world ... And not in the form of backstage whispers.
        Although this is nonsense, one must be prepared for such a development of events ...
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    3. corn
      corn 1 December 2015 10: 52 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      But in fact, we are not ready to meet and reflect tanks and ground forces.

      But isn't MI-24 designed to fight tanks, especially on the march?
  23. red_october
    red_october 1 December 2015 10: 21 New
    +3
    He emphasized that NATO, without giving a principled assessment of this illegal act, in fact, politically covered Ankara, a member of the alliance, and therefore is responsible for the incident.

    Why worry so much about our unfulfilled expectations regarding NATO?
    We informed them that we will continue with those military means and measures that seem appropriate to us in the light of recent events. We consider it necessary to shoot down Turkish F-16 over the territory of Syria, to drown Turkish submarines, if it suddenly (!) Seems to us that they threaten our ships. And of course, to bomb ISIS of all stripes and colors. For our understanding of ISIS (after dancing over the body of our pilot) turned out to be accurate, in contrast to the American cries of moderate opposition.
  24. NeRTT
    NeRTT 1 December 2015 10: 26 New
    0
    Deception shed yes with Perdogan ... yes there is a Double Board ...
    A gang of monkeys, perhaps that's ALL !! negative
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 December 2015 10: 27 New
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    Well, apparently we not only provided the data, but also issued a warning.
    And given how many people are eager to fight in Syria,
    further will be even more difficult.
  26. Ramzai
    Ramzai 1 December 2015 10: 28 New
    +1
    I think that everything goes perfectly according to plan in NATO. All this Arab spring smells bad. Turkey was accurately fucked with its ambitions, knowing that it was full of radicals inclined to allegedly create the Ottoman Empire. We knowing history as suckers, and having fought with the Turks more than once, we trusted, or rather, did not expect such a step from Turkey. Erdogan, nor Edogan, all nonsense is complete. Turkish Gambit played by amers in their game. that's all. One desire and request that our generals, without the death of our officers, understand that there is a war going on, and reasoned not only with political considerations from above, but landed our rulers and led to realism.
  27. gukoyan
    gukoyan 1 December 2015 10: 30 New
    0
    The family is not without freaks ... True, there are a lot of freaks in the EU, but it is still worth looking for such immoral and e ... oh as Turkey.
  28. 31rus
    31rus 1 December 2015 10: 52 New
    +1
    Dear, let's look at the situation on the other hand, Russia is selling modern airplanes to everyone who just wants to buy them, so why are Syrians fighting us side by side still fighting in the trash? Why is Syria’s air defense not being updated, why there’s not even any attempt in this direction , for me personally it looks very strange
  29. Serg81
    Serg81 1 December 2015 11: 59 New
    0
    It seems to me that even to present 100% evidence with the recognition of the F-16 pilot to NATO, there are 100500 reasons to say that Russia is to blame, not Turkey
    1. PatriotKZ
      PatriotKZ 2 December 2015 06: 07 New
      0
      They will find a reason, but truth and proof must always be provided.
  30. huntsman650
    huntsman650 1 December 2015 13: 21 New
    0
    Yes, situevina is still. 10 t. tourists hostage. Russia is still in terpil. Although the incident is on hand, now there are excuses for the S-400, but the border areas can be safely handled. Again, the people will suffer from sanctions, you just need to say, go along the line of the Turks’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs .... But with tactical weapons we are inferior, in quality and quantity, everything that’s new, raw, old is breathing. In Russia, when you need a fleet of it or not, or not already.
    Here’s a davichka man who’s not a military man, asks the question how in a country where there is no mobile, normal car there can be good weapons.
  31. Bjorn
    Bjorn 1 December 2015 14: 07 New
    +2
    When more than a month ago, a message flashed across us that the Danes and Belgians were ready to participate in the land operation in Syria, I still wondered why they would be. Then the French and Germans said this. And the size of the contingents was voiced by not small, thousands of people. Now England is creating an expeditionary force with the Baltic states. Well, obviously not to pull bombs in Crete. It seems to me that an invasion of Syria and its disaggregation into sectors is being prepared a long time ago. I am not a supporter of conspiracy theories, but like this you add up the puzzles and it becomes clear that they really needed access to the sea in Latakia. It’s broken, now a backup plan - section of the border with Turkey, to carry out the ill-fated gas pipeline from Qatar to Europe. And in this light, a provocation with a bomber shot down was nothing more than a part of a big plan. And this, in turn, means that the Russian pilot is not just a Hero who died while performing his duty, but twice a Hero, because he did not let the burning car fall even not on the territory of Turkey, but at least on the border, he clearly and completely drove the plane along the Syrian territory. And it wouldn’t be with hooting and screaming - they beat us, expeditionary forces in Turkey would have landed and moved to Syria.
  32. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 1 December 2015 21: 20 New
    0
    Now I read at RIA Novosti that the USA is trying that after their bombing, Daish lost 43% of oil revenues. Already imagine all the results of our videoconferencing. They bombed the desert for 1,5 years, guarded the business of terrorists, and the results of the videoconferencing are credited with "coalitions led by the United States."
    In any case, they are going to achieve the most important goals — as soon as there are signs of a turning point in the fight against Daish, the whole coalition immediately gathered to hang themselves in Syria, and at the same time tear Syria apart, as it was originally intended.
    What kind of partners, what kind of trust we are talking about, it’s shameful to sit on the adjacent toilets with these creatures, and not enter into a coalition and agree on something.
  33. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 2 December 2015 06: 04 New
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    Great argument to shut up NATO. Here is the proof of how NAT will now be able to get the sheep off.