Soviet-built Indian submarines conditionally destroyed an American nuclear submarine

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During the Malabar maneuvers, the Indian submarine (877 project) Sindhudhvaj (Sindhudhvaj), built in Leningrad at 1986, "destroyed" the American submarine City of Corpus Christi of the Los Angeles type, reports Look with reference to India Today.



International exercises were held off the coast of India from 14 to 19 in November, but the details of them were given only now.

According to the magazine, “during maneuvers between Indian, American and Japanese fleets "The battle was modeled, the purpose of which was to pursue and" destroy "each other’s submarines."

“A few hours later, the Americans were informed that the game was already over,” writes the publication. - The American submarine was conditionally destroyed by 533-millimeter torpedoes of the Indian Sindhudhvaj. The submarine did not notice its "enemy". "

According to India Today, “Sindhudhvaj discovered an American boat thanks to the newly installed Ushus' own sonar.”

The magazine noted that the American side "refused to comment on the completed maneuvers."

Help newspaper: “The submarine of the Indian Navy Sindhudhvaj was commissioned by the Indian government in Leningrad 1 on April 1986 of the year as a large torpedo submarine“ B-898 ”of the 877EKM project. Launched in July 1986. In June, the 1987 of the year in Riga was transferred to the Indian Navy and renamed to S56 Sindhudhvaj. ”
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  1. +26
    30 November 2015 19: 39
    The vaunted technology of the amerikosov. Soviet-built submarine. Well done Indians. Wipe your nose with "exceptional".
    1. +43
      30 November 2015 19: 42
      1. .... pledged by order of the Indian government in Leningrad on April 1, 1986
      2. Launched in July 1986.
      3. In June 1987, the Indian Navy was transferred to Riga

      fast however :)
      1. +14
        30 November 2015 19: 46
        US side “declined to comment on the completed maneuvers”
        Corpses (even training laughing ) can not talk!

        PS: Congratulations to OUR PL, under the control of the Indian crew, on the Victory over Los Angeles!
        (Even if during training maneuvers. This indicates: "If th - kirdyk Los Angeles.")
        soldier
        1. 0
          30 November 2015 21: 21
          Quote: Baikonur
          PS: Congratulations to OUR PL, under the control of the Indian crew, on the Victory over Los Angeles!
          (Even if during training maneuvers. This indicates: "If th - kirdyk Los Angeles.")


          Yes "from the Franciscan" we have them, without a doubt. But because they are right in life.
          1. +4
            1 December 2015 02: 46
            Of course, Indians make advertising to Russian weapons. but it’s not very good that they are in a warm relationship with the Amers, they constantly conduct joint exercises, etc., the Amer military receive experience in counteracting the Russian nuclear submarines, access to some possible secrets, the same air battles of Su 30MKI with their aircraft

            The same China, it must be said, takes a much more cautious position in relation to the United States - if not to say "contradiction"

            It looks like from BRICS only Russia and China take a more or less certain position, while Brazil and India stand with one foot in the western camp
      2. +17
        30 November 2015 19: 54
        The Indians directly viral advertising make our weapons, then the SU-30 heaped the "Eurofighter" under the control of the British, then the project 877EKM will "drown" the American nuclear submarine of the "Los Angeles" type ... It is interesting that further Soviet / Russian corvettes will be "put to the bottom" equipped with the latest Japanese missile cruisers or will they make American Black Hawks swallow dust by showing the whole world that the Russian Mi-17 is many times better than the American UH-60 when operating as close to combat as possible, and even more so in highland conditions?
        1. +4
          30 November 2015 20: 36
          Quote: Now we are free
          The Indians directly viral advertising make our weapons, then the SU-30 heaped the "Eurofighter" under the control of the British, then the project 877EKM will "drown" the American nuclear submarine of the "Los Angeles" type ... It is interesting that further Soviet / Russian corvettes will be "put to the bottom" equipped with the latest Japanese missile cruisers or will they make American Black Hawks swallow dust by showing the whole world that the Russian Mi-17 is many times better than the American UH-60 when operating as close to combat as possible, and even more so in highland conditions?


          There, of course, they got it with the deadlines, but still it's nice to be silent about the training battle.
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      4. +11
        30 November 2015 21: 07
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        fast however :)


        The Soviet Union, however ...
      5. +1
        30 November 2015 21: 10
        Then we still riveted almost like sausages. This is not for you now, and you don’t want to talk about the 90s and zero.
      6. +1
        30 November 2015 21: 16
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        1. .... pledged by order of the Indian government in Leningrad on April 1, 1986
        2. Launched in July 1986.
        3. In June 1987, the Indian Navy was transferred to Riga

        fast however :)


        I think a mistake crept in. For 3 months, submarines are not built, well, I do not believe in it
        (I’d like it, huh?).
      7. +3
        30 November 2015 21: 44
        Mattresses through the Indians study Russian weapons.
        The export option is of course flawed, but still.
        It seems like advertising, it seems like it's bad that they study our weapons ... Am I wrong?
        1. +1
          30 November 2015 22: 34
          I ALSO SO THINKED THE Americans ARE NOT FOOLS
      8. +1
        30 November 2015 22: 04
        At this time, the entire Soviet people stopped drinking and got down to business!
      9. +1
        30 November 2015 22: 30
        eh, we are far behind the Soviet Union, here they have been making boats for years, and then large submarines can spit in 4 months, and they didn’t even consider such a trifle as tanks;)
      10. +1
        30 November 2015 23: 37
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        1. .... pledged by order of the Indian government in Leningrad on April 1, 1986
        2. Launched in July 1986.
        3. In June 1987, the Indian Navy was transferred to Riga
        fast however :)


        It’s fast in the 21st century, in the 20th it’s nominal ...
      11. 0
        1 December 2015 01: 08
        Look at the reference book "Submarines of Russia." Project 667 missile carriers and 671 multipurpose projects for our Navy were built in 9 months, and this is a nuclear submarine. Especially at the Admiralty plant. There is a very interesting construction technology, when completely finished compartments are simply welded together ...
    2. +4
      30 November 2015 19: 42
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Sindgoodhwai

      The name of the submarine is good ..))))
      1. +1
        30 November 2015 22: 56
        While they spoke Sindgudhvay, the Indians dipped them a couple of times ..
      2. +2
        30 November 2015 23: 17
        Sindgoodhwai

        The name of the submarine is good ..))))

        It stands for "Sindbad the Sailor". smile
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    4. +7
      30 November 2015 19: 44
      No wonder. We worked with this in exercises. All they heard is a volley
      1. +8
        30 November 2015 21: 48
        Quote: arane
        We worked with this in exercises. All they heard is volley

        Quote: arane
        Conditionally destroyed the American nuclear submarine

        Well, not only Gotland can instruct the horns of amam!
        Well, now I want to pay attention to a couple of subtleties.
        1. Colleague Vyacheslav mentions that they heard a "volley" (!).
        So, the amers on atomic carriers (they don’t have others, although the issue of NPL with VNEU is being studied) in the autonomy, there are two duty TAs on the path to detect torpedo hulls through the SEC. A two-torpedo salvo follows 30 seconds after the detection of torpedoes going to the submarine.
        Therefore, we need electric torpedoes (as in Zeisslange deichers) high-speed, low-noise, starting by self-exit from the TA grille. The later they discover, the more likely they are to complete the post-salvo maneuver and hide behind the GPA.
        2. The fact that the Indians won in a duel situation is great! But ... at least they marked their volley with a bubble? or as the Balts in the exercises: "Down, down, down" to dry ...
        3. Hindus are cunning beasts: they associate their victory not with our boat, but with their new SJSC Ushus. Let's see what they will sing when the French nuclear submarines "Scorpen" are put into service.
        4. So * the * obvious question appeared before us: how do we deal with these questions?
        I think that I won’t scoff if I say that in different ways ...
        There are "glimpses" that even amam never dreamed of, but they are still in single copies. But we are massively lagging behind the overall level of our incredible partners. Therefore, we need time, renewed shipbuilding facilities, a new generation of designers, engineers and technicians, workers capable of embodying the achievements of our scientists in metal.
        Well, the fact that we have developments that are far ahead of time and have no analogues in the world is not a propaganda stamp, but a reliable fact.
    5. +12
      30 November 2015 19: 44
      Conditionally destroyed the American nuclear submarine Hindu brothers, to hell with conventionality. Beat the adult.
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      2. +3
        30 November 2015 20: 20
        In a real battle, everything will be different. According to the adult.
    6. +2
      30 November 2015 19: 45
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The vaunted technology of the amerikosov. Soviet-built submarine. Well done Indians. Wipe your nose with "exceptional".



      Los Angeles are old boats that are now being replaced by Virginia. True and Halibut Ave. 877 is also not new. In general, nuclear submarines themselves are noisier than submarines, but they do not need to charge batteries.
      1. +4
        30 November 2015 19: 50
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Los Angeles are old boats that are now being replaced by Virginia.

        There are 39 U-boats in the USA, they will form the basis of the US multipurpose submarine for another 10-15 years.
      2. +2
        30 November 2015 20: 00
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        Quote: oleg-gr
        The vaunted technology of the amerikosov. Soviet-built submarine. Well done Indians. Wipe your nose with "exceptional".



        Los Angeles are old boats that are now being replaced by Virginia. True and Halibut Ave. 877 is also not new. In general, nuclear submarines themselves are noisier than submarines, but they do not need to charge batteries.

        Well, actually they also have batteries, and they need to be charged. Only their purpose is somewhat different
        1. +1
          30 November 2015 22: 11
          Quote: arane
          Well, actually they also have batteries, and they need to be charged
          But for this it is not necessary to float up (to become under the RDP) and it is also not necessary to change the operating mode of the power plant. But a working diesel engine (beating charging, even accelerated), working on a generator, can only be disguised as drunk fishermen in the "raise the periscope" movie! Therefore, ZAB areas are moved away from the sliced ​​RBDs. And no one goes there, not even the * lost * fishermen. laughing
          1. +2
            30 November 2015 22: 26
            Quote: BoA KAA
            Quote: arane
            Well, actually they also have batteries, and they need to be charged
            But for this it is not necessary to float up (to become under the RDP) and it is also not necessary to change the operating mode of the power plant. But a working diesel engine (beating charging, even accelerated), working on a generator, can only be disguised as drunk fishermen in the "raise the periscope" movie! Therefore, ZAB areas are moved away from the sliced ​​RBDs. And no one goes there, not even the * lost * fishermen. laughing

            I agree. It's hard to argue! hi
    7. VP
      0
      30 November 2015 19: 47
      Los Angeles is not Virginia, it is not an underwater hunter.
      Yes, and they can only be called new hangover. Twenty years have not been released. And the first descent in the mid-seventies.
      1. +4
        30 November 2015 20: 02
        Quote: VP
        Los Angeles is not Virginia, it is not an underwater hunter.

        And what is the Los Angeles class Apple doing if not "hunting"?
        Quote: VP
        Yes, and they can only be called new hangover.

        There were several modifications of the Los Angeles class submarine:
        1) Project 688
        2) Project 688 (with 12 vertical launchers)
        3) Project 688i (new HAC, hydrophones, propeller, rudder location was transferred from the wheelhouse to the ship's hull, 12 VPU).
      2. +5
        30 November 2015 20: 06
        Quote: VP
        Los Angeles is not Virginia, it is not an underwater hunter.

        Okay
        BOTH PAY ( US Navy Multipurpose Submarines )






        and armament similar 4 x533 mm Ta + 12 VPU KR (SSN-688, SSN-688i)

        (SSN-774) 4x 530 mm TA + 12 VLS tubes VPU KR + 2X PU turret type (Block III)
        1. +1
          30 November 2015 20: 35
          What did I say? Soviet submarines are the most effective in the world! Think of a titanium ultrafast boat. Or another, I don’t remember the name and project, so she freely dived to depths over a kilometer.
    8. +1
      30 November 2015 21: 11
      It is necessary to pay attention to two factors - the low noise of the boat itself and the excellent Indian sonar.
    9. +5
      30 November 2015 21: 50
      Quote: oleg-gr
      The vaunted technology of the amerikosov. Soviet-built submarine. Well done Indians. Wipe your nose with "exceptional".

      Maybe good? Amers have much more experience of wars at sea than Russia. And they have a fleet. Be normal. If everything is bad with them! things are good. Or maybe not Bad?
      One must always be prepared for the worst. Then when the worst happens, it won’t take you by surprise.
      And shout cheers, throw hats, leave.
    10. 0
      1 December 2015 01: 59
      Quote: oleg-gr
      Praised America Technologies

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  2. Oml
    +3
    30 November 2015 19: 42
    Own locator is good, but let's hope our locators are much better!
  3. +5
    30 November 2015 19: 44
    According to India Today, “Sindhudhvaj discovered an American boat thanks to the newly installed Ushus' own sonar.”

    belay Give two .. It is necessary to buy a development from the Indians. There is no time analogs that have no analogues to develop.
    1. +3
      30 November 2015 22: 27
      Quote: Manul
      It is necessary to buy a development from the Indians

      And what about Amphora-Irtysh? As for the development. Everything rests on software, a processing device for received * noise * ... frequency characteristics ...
      Quote: Manul
      There is no time analogs that have no analogues to develop.

      It is not enough time to replicate "devices that have no analogues in the world" embodied in metal. This will be more accurate. Yes
      1. 0
        30 November 2015 22: 37
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        And what about Amphora-Irtysh? As for the development. Everything rests on software, a processing device for received * noise * ... frequency characteristics ...

        wink Hindus are our partners. For expensive - they will not sell. What if there are a couple of useful ideas there?
  4. +8
    30 November 2015 19: 45
    Los Angeles-class submarine City of Corpus Christi first sub-series, launch on September 4, 1979, our first Halibut project submarine was launched in 1979, launched in 1982. In principle, there is nothing surprising in this, submarines of about the same generation, diesel submarines are quieter than nuclear ones, and it is more difficult to detect them.
  5. +1
    30 November 2015 19: 47
    Once again proves the strength of the Soviet defense industry! good drinks
    1. -1
      30 November 2015 19: 50
      Quote: moskowit
      Once again proves the strength of the Soviet defense industry! good drinks



      You can go on Soviet luggage for a very long time.
      1. +4
        30 November 2015 22: 34
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        You can go on Soviet luggage for a very long time.

        "Basta, little kids, the dancing is over ..." (musical "The Wolf and the Seven Kids")
        "You won't go far in the carriage of the past" (A.M. Gorky)
        The Soviet backlog is ending. 25 years in the development of science and technology - this is a whole era! You cannot win the 100-meter race with your head turned back.
  6. +2
    30 November 2015 19: 47
    The Americans cried in vain - the Indian elephant trampled them ... laughing
  7. 0
    30 November 2015 19: 50
    Something I'm stupid ... did the Indians have a diesel boat?
  8. +2
    30 November 2015 19: 51
    And I found everything ... for God's sake do not swear)))) for the countries of the Warsaw Treaty, the project was called "Varshavyanka" ...
  9. +1
    30 November 2015 19: 53
    “During the maneuvers between the Indian, American and Japanese fleets, the battle was modeled,
    the Americans have air squadrons of "aggressors", but with boats it is more complicated, all the same piece goods. But here they dodged and calmly train on a par with the Japanese to hunt Soviet boats. The Indians won, but they still have a minus negative
  10. +3
    30 November 2015 19: 54
    I'm going to put on the plasma "Raise the periscope" (19 times)! This is not humor, this is reality ... good
    1. +1
      30 November 2015 19: 55
      Exactly for sure! There dieseluha piled vaunted ....)))
    2. +1
      30 November 2015 22: 49
      Quote: ALABAY45
      This, not humor, this is reality ...

      This is advertising grotesque! Hydrodynamics is a very exact science, albeit "bad". And no one canceled the suction effect when the ships were approaching. And the differences in the frequency range of the noise of the propellers of the supertanker and the diesel engine have not been canceled. Why did our Shchuka-B find the amerskaya submarine under the control ship, but Elk did not? You can dig up more bloopers.
      Therefore: look, enjoy, just do not try to convince us that they hear falling nickels on their atomoses inside the durable diesel engine case! laughing
      1. 0
        1 December 2015 19: 23
        Yes, I don’t really try to convince anyone! I have taken place in my life! I just watch a movie ... wink
  11. +3
    30 November 2015 19: 57
    It reminds one joke: the Americans flew to Mars in half a day to pick out the bunker and distributed the gingerbreads, but it was tasty, but not enough for everyone; they ate the Americans. the Japanese arrived and managed in two hours and treated to sushi, again it wasn’t enough. The Russians arrived, with the help of some kind of mother, they gouged the bunker into the trash and distributed the lyuley, it was not tasty, but enough for everyone
  12. +1
    30 November 2015 20: 00
    Quote: Andrey VOV
    for the countries of the Warsaw Treaty, the project was called "Varshavyanka" ...

    And not "Halibut"?
  13. 0
    30 November 2015 20: 01
    Competitions of Russian (or modernized Soviet) equipment (land, air, and now marine), which is part of the Indian army with potential opponents occur regularly. At least, this is what the media informs, which with the same regularity report considerable successes, and the bill is always in favor, so to speak, наших (once again I note - this is the media so taldychat).
    Everything would be fine, but the question arises - why all these competitions are Indians, who seem to be not our enemies yet? Diversification, multipolarity - these words are well known, but the real underlying reason is probably someone's selfish interest (we will buy "Rafali", we will not buy "Rafali" - one example).
  14. +2
    30 November 2015 20: 07
    well, "Varshavyanka" is still of Soviet construction, it's generally something, to be honest (I'm talking about noise)
  15. 0
    30 November 2015 20: 08
    Keel 31Well, about the fact that the Indians, brothers, you clearly did not think. Brothers do not participate in joint exercises with our enemies. It remains only to regret that this submarine is not part of our fleet, but as if it were now needed.
    1. +4
      30 November 2015 20: 38
      Quote: Evgeniy667b
      Brothers do not participate in joint exercises with our enemies.

      Do not be you a politician wink . Firstly, no war has been declared yet, no one can be divided into enemies and friends. Secondly, we all threw themselves into the 90s, what’s friendship when you have to buy the best (in the grocery sense, what kind of network are you friends with? 5- Chkoy, Family or Dixie? Or go to a place where it’s more convenient, more profitable, better, more comfortable only at this moment in time?). Thirdly, globalization is not weak around the world - everyone is trading with each other and participating in something, if we turn our back on all countries that have relations with the states, then we will have to establish an iron curtain that the USSR did not even dream of.
      1. +1
        1 December 2015 05: 24
        Respected Manul I'm not eager to get into politics. I don't contact the chain of stores either, because I live exclusively by my own labors. And the place is hard to reach, especially now. As for the enemies-friends, I will refer to the dictum of Emperor Alexander-Russia has two friends, the army and the navy. And how many of these Friends have spread rot? They destroyed the equipment under the cutters, sold it not because of great intelligence and perspicacity, but in return for practically nothing! Industry was cornered. 20 "Varshavyanks" to China, Vietnam and Algeria, and about 10 to India. Just in the 90s. And overhaul them regularly. And then to myself. Now we are trying to cover ourselves with a short blanket. So that everything is in the spirit of the plans of the State Department. Weaken it as much as possible, with the hands of our leaders, and then squeeze it so as not to breathe. The most unpleasant thing is that the egoism of society in the mass greatly exceeds the national interests. And this is a critical state, on the way to collapse.
  16. +2
    30 November 2015 20: 25
    It is a pity that "conditionally"!
  17. +2
    30 November 2015 20: 26
    Good news. It’s good if it’s true that the old Soviet diesel engine was drowned by a middle-aged - but multi-purpose striatum atomic boat. Amazing safety and good technical skills of the Indian team. Wind them aft.
  18. +1
    30 November 2015 20: 27
    Interesting. In the light of recent reports of the tracking of two Turkish submarines over Moscow, how can I answer them? It is definitely necessary to follow them, to let them know about the possibility of their destruction, if necessary, as a response to the outbreak of hostilities by Turkey. Like that.
    1. 0
      30 November 2015 20: 35
      Quote: Evgeny59
      Interesting. In the light of recent reports of the tracking of two Turkish submarines over Moscow, how can I answer them?


      "Varshavyankami", as an option ...
  19. +3
    30 November 2015 20: 37
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Quote: oleg-gr
    Sindgoodhwai

    The name of the submarine is good ..))))

    Joke: songwriter in the union of composers:
    - I wrote a song ...
    -Nnu and what is called?
    -Ehh! Eating Masha Vat!
    - Listen to Nuka ...
    -Good song ... only this is "Ehh!" take away ... it gives away with gypsy ...
  20. 0
    30 November 2015 20: 46
    On the basis of the export modification 877E, a version of the project 877EC (Export Capitalist [6]) was developed, which did not go into production and was finalized by receiving the code 877ECM (Export Capitalist Modernized). The main emphasis during modernization was placed on ensuring the operation of boat mechanisms in tropical conditions. According to the project 877EKM in 1983-2000, 18 submarines were built.
    such a good boat
  21. 0
    30 November 2015 20: 52
    Quote: oleg-gr
    The vaunted technology of the amerikosov. Soviet-built submarine. Well done Indians. Wipe your nose with "exceptional".

    BLACK HOLE - it is also in BLACK HOLE in India! hi
  22. 0
    30 November 2015 21: 05
    "Indian submarine (project 877)" Sindhudhvaj ", built in Leningrad in 1986 g, "Destroyed" the American nuclear submarine "...

    Soviet building ...

    Bravo, Indians! Without wanting it, they hinted to Amers that the USSR is Alive !!!
  23. +1
    30 November 2015 21: 41
    “A few hours later, the Americans were informed that the game was already over,” the newspaper writes. - American submarine was conditionally destroyed by 533mm torpedoes of the Indian Sindhudhvaj. The nuclear submarine did not notice its "enemy" ”.

    In real combat conditions, it will not be "conditionally", the advantage of the Soviet reserve is evident.
    It is a pity the Indians did not confuse the training torpedo with the military (((
  24. +3
    30 November 2015 22: 26
    Just an advertisement for the Ushus sonar.
    Gentlemen, underestimating the enemy is no less scary than overestimating him. Try to be objective.
  25. +1
    30 November 2015 22: 36
    I do not feel much joy from the conditional destruction of our potential partner's nuclear submarine by an Indian submarine of Soviet construction. American women now know the likely course of events in a particular situation, so they will think about how to avoid this in a real situation. I hope the modern Russian diesel-electric submarines have surpassed their predecessors in the person of the Sind ... wai diesel-electric submarines by a head in their characteristics, to the "delight" of our sworn partners.
  26. +1
    30 November 2015 22: 44
    As far as I understand, the Indian submarine did not launch a (training) torpedo, and if it did, it was not a fact that it would reach the target. The US Los Angeles-type multi-purpose submarines are armed with the CSA MK 2 anti-torpedo protection system. 2. It consists of 14 outboard non-rechargeable PUs of 152 mm caliber and one rechargeable designed for use with hydroacoustic counteraction devices (GPA) Mk 2 mod. 3, MK 3 mod. 1 and MK 4 mod. 1 (developed by Ultra Electronics Ocean Systems). For submarines of the Sivulf type, the PTZ CSA Mk 3 system was developed, which differs from the basic modification in the number of outboard launchers (16 units).
    If the hidden Indian boat might not have been detected, then the launch of a 533-mm torpedo is complete.
  27. 0
    30 November 2015 23: 22
    Having soared over reality, we "forgot" something that the cruiser "Moskva" had already taken aim at 2 PL-ogly ..
    It would not be better to grind this topic ..?
    1. 0
      1 December 2015 00: 09
      Quote: Tra-ta-ta
      Soaring above reality, we "forgot" something that the cruiser Moskva has already been targeted by 2 PL-ogly..
      It would not be better to grind this topic ..?

      I believe that these two submarines are now under close control, or do you think that such a cruiser goes alone without cover? I doubt it.
      1. -1
        1 December 2015 01: 22
        or do you think that such a cruiser goes alone without cover?
        I hope that the Navy will show Vova Bondarev how to fulfill his duties ...
  28. +1
    1 December 2015 00: 06
    The magazine noted that the American side "refused to comment on the completed maneuvers."

    What is there to comment on, at the time to introduce new sanctions against Russia. wink laughing
  29. cap
    -1
    1 December 2015 00: 10
    Quote: Tra-ta-ta
    Having soared over reality, we "forgot" something that the cruiser "Moskva" had already taken aim at 2 PL-ogly ..
    It would not be better to grind this topic ..?

    What to rub both mined bully
    1. +1
      1 December 2015 01: 17
      What to rub both are mined ..
      Something new...?!
      Can you imagine ..? This is not the Baltic. There is where to maneuver and hide even the nuclear submarines, not to mention diesel engines ..
    2. +1
      1 December 2015 01: 18
      Quote: cap
      What to rub both mined

      Martyrs?
    3. 0
      1 December 2015 07: 53
      Quote: cap
      What to rub both mined
  30. 0
    1 December 2015 02: 06
    Well, like children, Americans, honestly! As in the courtyard war game: "And you killed me dishonestly! And I was out of my last strength!" Their maremans, in my opinion, are still terrified since December 41, if they see something not under a mattress flag approaching their trough, they immediately call their mother and ask to go to the shore.
  31. 0
    1 December 2015 04: 18
    Conventionally, we have erased America to the radioactive ash ..heh
  32. 0
    1 December 2015 05: 00
    Very Sorry, that conditionally! HIGHLY !!!!
  33. 0
    1 December 2015 05: 03
    and even their vaunted tank Abrams makes its way to Soviet-made RPGs of the 70s, so finito la comedy
  34. 0
    1 December 2015 05: 14
    Surely there, some Antey at the right time will come up nearby, hinting ...
  35. 0
    1 December 2015 05: 37
    Our "Russian old women" will still give heat to NATO troughs!
    1. 0
      1 December 2015 10: 22
      Quote: dchegrinec
      Our "Russian old women" will still give heat to NATO troughs!

      Trough? Yes of course ...
  36. 0
    1 December 2015 07: 51
    first the praised stealth technology in the sky of Yugoslavia, now the nuclear submarine. It is worth considering the USA, and is the armament and training in their army so good? Let the tin soldiers be cast to their generals. smile
  37. 0
    1 December 2015 09: 07
    ...Q.E.D!
  38. 0
    1 December 2015 10: 07
    It’s hard to learn, easy in battle. Hindus showed amers what their ultramodern trough, stuffed with electronics, is worth.
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    1 December 2015 11: 04
    It would be better not conditionally. Joke.

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