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Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.

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Concern Radioelectronic Technologies (KRET) has developed for the Russian aviation traps of a new type, which are actually transmitters of single-use interference, transmit RIA News message of the press service of the company.


Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.


“A single-use interference transmitter (POI) developed by the concern, fired from a standard shooting device from an airplane or helicopter, begins to emit interference signals in the frequency spectrum and structure. In the usual standard aviation cartridge, the EW station is fully assembled - it has an antenna, a chemical power generator that provides the transmitter for a few seconds or tens of seconds, ”the release says.

Depending on the situation, the POI imitates all the main characteristics of the aircraft and takes on the attacking rocket or gives a signal of sufficiently high power, which closes the ability of the rocket to hit the target, explained the press service.

It is noted that "interference transmitters refer to the so-called consumable EW, or" EW ammunition "." The same category, according to the report, also includes “single-use interference transmitters of the optical range, anti-radar cartridges and the active towed radar trap developed by KRET, which fully simulates the characteristics of the aircraft.”
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  1. oleg-gr
    oleg-gr 30 November 2015 19: 02 New
    23
    Additional protection from KRET. Just try out Syria in the sky. After the death of the aircraft will accelerate the introduction of such funds.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 19: 03 New
      31
      According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 30 November 2015 19: 08 New
        +6
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

        This is a button accordion, word for word article after Cook ...
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 27 New
          13
          Quote: Samaritan
          This is a button accordion, word for word article after Cook ..



          Why button accordion ??? The usual activities of intelligence and scientific-technical units ...
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 30 November 2015 20: 03 New
            12
            Quote: veksha50
            The usual activities of intelligence and scientific-technical units ...

            It remains only to send something like Cook and Aegis to the border of Syria and Turkey. Otherwise, nothing will happen. EW systems on their own initiative will not emit anything. And the F-16 "crept up" to our Su-24 in the radio silence mode according to external target designation from the American or Saudi (most likely) E-3 AWACS, which rose 1 hour before the attack. The attack was carried out through a thermal imaging channel with a missile with a matrix IR head. In this case, even thermal traps would not help. Is that just a laser complex "President-S"
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 22: 16 New
              +4
              Quote: Vita VKO
              It remains only to send to the border of Syria and Turkey something like Cook with Aegis

              In the Black Sea, American "heroes" have already littered the diapers with diapers, now in the Mediterranean ???
              1. Vorobey-1
                Vorobey-1 1 December 2015 07: 25 New
                +2
                Good news! As we are promoting electronic warfare technologies, now we have the concept of not only electronic warfare systems, but also "electronic warheads". What are unified
                fired from a standard airplane or helicopter shooting device
                - Generally super, which means they can be used on many aircraft without additional modifications and devices good
                1. varov14
                  varov14 1 December 2015 11: 14 New
                  +4
                  I hope they themselves are destroyed in the last meters of the flight, and do not fall like manna from heaven into the hands of the enemy.
              2. fdg45tfh
                fdg45tfh 2 December 2015 20: 33 New
                -1
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            2. aleks 62 next
              aleks 62 next 1 December 2015 15: 25 New
              +1
              ..... missile with matrix IR head. In this case, even thermal traps would not help .....

              .... That's about it (about heat traps), please, in more detail, and if possible in PM ..... Doubts torment .... hi
          2. Dryuya2
            Dryuya2 30 November 2015 20: 49 New
            0
            Quote: Samaritan
            This is the button accordion

            Quote: veksha50
            Why button accordion ???

            recourse
            but who will say something about it - will we have a second base ????
            or is it "expert speculation"?
            http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/30/639168/nr/syria
            موسكو توسّع نفوذها في سورية بلواء و 100 طائرة ( lol )
            (Moscow is expanding its influence in Syria with brigades and 100 aircraft)
            1. Mih
              Mih 2 December 2015 22: 47 New
              0
              in Arabic, to my shame, I do not read. I hope this is not useful to me.
      2. sever.56
        sever.56 30 November 2015 19: 15 New
        44
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.


        For more than twenty years, from the mid-70s to the 96th year, repairing torpedoes for the fleet. So already then we had torpedoes imitating the noise of a submarine. In case of danger of an attack, they shot back, and the pursuer slowly went crazy, seeing a dozen targets on the locator (sonar). We caught, disassembled and studied, together with big minds from institutes, the best American torpedo for those times, in my opinion, MK-46, so we laughed ... For us, it was in its performance characteristics at the level of products that we had 10-15 years ago.
        1. Sterlya
          Sterlya 30 November 2015 19: 39 New
          -22
          Quote: sever.56
          For more than twenty years, from the mid-70s to the 96th year, repairing torpedoes for the fleet. So already then we had torpedoes imitating the noise of a submarine. In case of danger of an attack, they shot back, and the pursuer slowly went crazy, seeing a dozen targets on the locator (sonar). We caught, disassembled and studied, together with big minds from institutes, the best American torpedo for those times, in my opinion, MK-46, so we laughed ... For us, it was in its performance characteristics at the level of products that we had 10-15 years ago.

          So if they could catch, "partners" allowed laughing maybe it wasn’t so modern? (I am a supporter of a real assessment. UNTIL. I know everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, it’s better not to get involved)
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 13 New
            +5
            Quote: Sterlya
            TILL. I know that everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, better not mess)

            Minus! laughing Yes, even crack. I also love, “respect” the amers, but I will not deny the fact that they have produced what is qualitatively.
            One must be able to accept what is true.
            1. NordUral
              NordUral 30 November 2015 21: 07 New
              +7
              Correctly. The enemy must be evaluated adequately, without a complex of contemptuous superiority. Knowing the real state of affairs is half the battle.
              1. Sterlya
                Sterlya 30 November 2015 22: 16 New
                +8
                Quote: NordUral
                Correctly. The enemy must be evaluated adequately, without a complex of contemptuous superiority. Knowing the real state of affairs is half the battle.

                That's it. Underestimating an adversary is in any way worse than an overestimation. And hatred is only for complacency.
                Everything should be in moderation.
                1. sharp-lad
                  sharp-lad 1 December 2015 00: 14 New
                  0
                  So! So it's time to start production of specialized caps for arming them cap-thrower fighters! Caps are needed for fighting in all three warfare environments. wink
            2. Xzistant
              Xzistant 3 December 2015 15: 41 New
              0
              Dear,
              Tell me, please, what is being carried out from and to in the FSA? iPhones - in China, app. parts for missiles, torpedoes, etc. - China, spare parts for cars - China ...

              Those. it turns out that you respect Chinese products sold under the Amer brand)))
          2. Streich
            Streich 30 November 2015 20: 37 New
            +4
            By the way, about the Chinese - GE, almost all of its boards are riveted in Shenzhen (not to be confused with Schengen, we first confused). So almost all electronics are from China. Even ultrasonic sensors began to develop at IUSI in Shenzhen.
            1. Sterlya
              Sterlya 30 November 2015 22: 25 New
              -2
              Quote: Streich
              By the way, about the Chinese - GE, almost all of its boards are riveted in Shenzhen (not to be confused with Schengen, we first confused). So almost all electronics are from China. Even ultrasonic sensors began to develop at IUSI in Shenzhen.

              Well, like this. The Chinese began to produce when Amer companies in pursuit of profit transferred production to China. Forgetting the reefs. We recovered. it was too late already. At least in this. The Chinese peacefully shod them.
              And the Chinese have not yet rolled. Therefore, their activities are such. Diffidence. That is why the monkey will sit on the tree until the tigers chew each other. (and it’s unlikely to come down) To go down, it will be too late and very bad for everyone))
            2. GSH-18
              GSH-18 30 November 2015 23: 23 New
              +1
              Quote: Streich
              By the way, about the Chinese - GE, almost all of its boards are riveted in Shenzhen (not to be confused with Schengen, we first confused). So almost all electronics from China

              JUNK! We, too, first fell for this noodle about Chinese quality, until our space rockets showered with GLONASS satellites and commercial European ones, remember this epic? While all the electronics were not replaced with better ones, nothing good came of it. And from myself I’ll add, I understand the little one in microelectronics, I had the opportunity to compare imported mikruhi and their Chinese counterparts on measuring instruments. I declare responsible-Chinese microelectronics JAR for consumer goods! yes Not reliable and low-quality, and therefore cheap.
              1. kush62
                kush62 2 December 2015 12: 51 New
                +1
                China is big. Everything is there. They do not throw marriage away. From this Mr., much comes to us. And people want freebies, cheaper.
          3. vladimir_krm
            vladimir_krm 1 December 2015 10: 28 New
            +3
            Expensive - does not always mean quality. Americans have a stupid proverb: "Money is everything." They themselves believed in it, and forgot that no one canceled good brains either. And it’s just straining with them ... What is the use of it if the product is exceptionally beautiful, of high quality and in beautiful packaging, if the terrible Russian counterpart looks more effective? And this also happens.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 22: 27 New
          +6
          Quote: sever.56
          So already then we had torpedoes imitating the noise of a submarine. In case of danger of an attack, they shot back, and the pursuer slowly went crazy, seeing a dozen targets on the locator (sonar).

          I do not know, true or not, the specialty is not that. Somewhere at the beginning of the 80's at a military aerodrome, an ensign technician said that during the Caribbean crisis in Penza, they either loaded onto cars or unloaded bombs of 10 tons each. Two pieces per wagon. I recalled this story when, in 2003, the Americans talked about their MOAB.

          I don’t know what they loaded there in Penza, maybe the ensign got it wrong, but I have a feeling that, unlike America, we don’t write ads on every corner when they invent something revolutionary new and triple awful for the enemy ...
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 1 December 2015 01: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Somewhere in the early 80s, at a military aerodrome, an ensign technician said that during the Caribbean crisis in Penza, they either loaded onto cars or unloaded bombs of 10 tons each. Two pieces per wagon. I recalled this story when, in 2003, the Americans started talking about their MOAB.

            Read I.I. Shelest’s book “Winged People.” There is a mention of these bombs. And I read about these bombs somewhere else, it seems from V. Akkuratov. Yes, there were such bombs already in the Second World War, but only in pieces.
          2. Dimka off
            Dimka off 1 December 2015 10: 24 New
            +1
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            but I have the feeling that we, unlike America, do not write ads on every corner when they invent something revolutionary new and terribly triple for the enemy ...

            That's it. In the event of a serious war, the NATO team will get stupid from our surprises
        3. aleks 62 next
          aleks 62 next 1 December 2015 15: 28 New
          -2
          .... in my opinion, MK-46, so we laughed ... For us, it was in its performance characteristics at the level of products that we had 10-15 years ago ....

          ... They laughed in vain .... One of the best torpedoes .... And the Germans used torpedoes imitators at the end of the war ... The truth is not as perfect as they are now, ..... But still ... hi
      3. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 30 November 2015 19: 15 New
        10
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

        Mutual hunting for military electronic news has always been, is and will be.
        1. Zefr
          Zefr 30 November 2015 19: 22 New
          +2
          If their best specialists are there, an ambush should be set up and everyone should be caught. And then let them tell something interesting about the most important bourgeois secret, then let go.
          1. V.ic
            V.ic 30 November 2015 19: 48 New
            -7
            Quote: Zefr
            it is necessary to arrange an ambush and to catch everyone. And then

            Then we will have our garnets clap slidakam: what won karily.
          2. Sterlya
            Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 09 New
            -4
            Quote: Zefr
            If their best specialists are there, an ambush should be set up and everyone should be caught. And then let them tell something interesting about the most important bourgeois secret, then let go.

            laughing laughing laughing Do you think they will tell? laughing
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 30 November 2015 21: 04 New
          0
          The hunt for news ..
          So they shot down our plane? And so that he falls closer to Turkey
          And below the detachment was already waiting to take away the details of the aircraft.
          They wiped off the entire detachment .. along with the remains of the aircraft.
          This conclusion suggests itself.
      4. mirag2
        mirag2 30 November 2015 19: 28 New
        +3
        According to expert John Ebert,
        -This material was on Komsomolskaya Pravda.
        This expert’s opinion was cited in an analysis of the reason for the downing of the SU-24; one of the versions was Paul Craig (a pro-Russian or, if you please, anti-American political scientist from the USA), he suggested that the Turks knocked down the SU from the submission of amers in order for the Russian VKS began to use their new electronic warfare technologies in Syria, and Amer type specialists could evaluate their effectiveness.
        1. Maj.
          Maj. 30 November 2015 19: 38 New
          +4
          they will appreciate and try to snitch something.
        2. Turkir
          Turkir 30 November 2015 21: 06 New
          0
          Tell me where the version of Paul Craig Roberts is published?
          He has smart articles.
      5. varov14
        varov14 1 December 2015 11: 08 New
        0
        It’s necessary to sow the field with traps with mines so that it can be cleared only with special trawls, and it is easier to track them, after all, the equipment is probably cumbersome.
      6. Mih
        Mih 2 December 2015 22: 43 New
        0
        Amer ... zats are always ready to scam something - this is their principle of life.
    2. Baikonur
      Baikonur 30 November 2015 19: 09 New
      +2
      A great thing, of course! More to this! Radioelectronic Fight => Radioelectronic Safety of our aircraft in particular and the Army and the people of Russia in general!

      PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!
      1. mirag2
        mirag2 30 November 2015 19: 30 New
        +5
        The price tag would be interesting to see!
        -on any CHEAPER than the life of a pilot hero, ready to take risks.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 31 New
        +2
        Quote: Baikonur
        PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!



        I think that it’s not worth seeing it, otherwise the jaw will fall off ... There should be this unprecedented amount of money ... That is, we’ll say frankly - exclusive, not for everyday prosaic everyday life ... And you need it - simply, cheaply, effectively ...

        You look, then they will make it cheaper from the expensive ... It all depends on the element base ...
        1. under-cut
          under-cut 30 November 2015 20: 55 New
          +1
          Well, I think that it’s cheaper than a full-fledged combat unit (airplane, helicopter). Not to mention the lives of specialists who control these units
      3. DDR
        DDR 30 November 2015 19: 32 New
        +4
        Quote: Baikonur
        A great thing, of course! More to this! Radioelectronic Fight => Radioelectronic Safety of our aircraft in particular and the Army and the people of Russia in general!

        PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

        The price of the plane is much higher, and the lives of our pilots are generally priceless hi
    3. Tor5
      Tor5 30 November 2015 19: 19 New
      0
      Very on time and very out of place!
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    5. Civil
      Civil 30 November 2015 19: 28 New
      -3
      We use all the secret in Syria ...
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 1 December 2015 02: 05 New
        +2
        Quote: Civil
        We use all the secret in Syria ...

        Everything that enters the troops, despite the heaps of 0,00 vultures, and the others are becoming unclassified. Remember the saying: “What the three people know, the pig knows.” And now about the US secrets: Remember the “Manhattan project” with its signature stamp “Before reading burn "and so? The flight ended up in Russia. Read the site" 38 OSNAZ TOF brigade. On this site you will find how the Soviet naval intelligence worked against the United States. And the war in Vietnam gave a lot to both ours and the Americans in terms of collecting military technical information. And no one will send specialists of the highest qualification to collect scrap metal, for this there are special collectors trained in special methods for the disposal of such finds, as they can be self-destructive, as our and Vietnamese trophy collectors in Vietnam have seen.
    6. v.yegorov
      v.yegorov 30 November 2015 20: 17 New
      +2
      In Syria, a lot of things will be tested. Every war, as it does not sound
      cynically, a kind of training ground for the new military-industrial complex.
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 30 November 2015 20: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: v.yegorov
        In Syria, a lot of things will be tested. Every war, as it does not sound
        cynically, a kind of training ground for the new military-industrial complex.

        There is no cynicism in this. We did not get involved in order to test a new weapon?
        If the war had begun under the pretext of promoting democracy, and in fact, in order to test new weapons, promote the export of dead presidents along the way.
        That would be cynicism.
        1. AUL
          AUL 30 November 2015 23: 22 New
          +1
          But what interests me is what happens to the spent trap? After all, a potential friend can pick up and study, and then develop an antidote to it. Probably there should be a self-liquidator to carry it to dust, not subject to study. But it can be dangerous for people on earth. Or maybe for the plane itself.
        2. Mih
          Mih 2 December 2015 22: 59 New
          0
          There is no cynicism in this. We did not get involved in order to test a new weapon?
          love
          Well, I think this is not entirely true. Here is the launch of missiles from the squadron of the Sea of ​​Azov. It is a very interesting experiment to test the combat readiness of the fleet and the fulfillment of tasks. And how it all happened - everyone was satisfied. Very high quality. fellow
    7. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 3 December 2015 11: 26 New
      0
      The Western coalition is strengthening (along the way everyone wants to tear a piece from the Syrian Pie) .... and I think this Russian know-how can be tested, I join .....
  2. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 30 November 2015 19: 02 New
    15
    It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 30 November 2015 19: 10 New
      +2
      This is an element of the "President" complex. The message is clear. To reassure the population and assure that the mistakes of the past are taken into account.
    2. hydrox
      hydrox 30 November 2015 19: 15 New
      +4
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      People then perished.


      Do you always carry an armful of straw for bedding with you when you go down the sidewalk into ice, or when you drop a bucket of sand?
      Or are you still confident that 9 women can give birth to a baby in a month?
      1. Maj.
        Maj. 30 November 2015 19: 42 New
        +2
        Dear hydrox, you justify gouging, the usual banal and ubiquitous. Everything starts with the order, and we have a shit with him.
      2. Rom14
        Rom14 30 November 2015 19: 46 New
        -1
        Of course, you won’t take into account everything. But the Su-24 is not a maize, should the pilot see the potential danger ???
        1. Manul
          Manul 30 November 2015 23: 04 New
          0
          Quote: Rom14
          But the Su-24 is not a maize, should the pilot see the potential danger ???

          This was immediately said. The Su-24 most likely turned off the warning system upon returning to the base, but in other cases, when they hit the tail and point-blank the missile from the GOS, there is practically no chance of detecting it and dodging it.
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      4. Manul
        Manul 30 November 2015 20: 09 New
        0
        Quote: hydrox
        Do you always carry an armful of straw for bedding with you when you go down the sidewalk into ice, or when you drop a bucket of sand?

        Actually, I pay taxes so that the municipality either knocks the ice or sprinkles it with sand. If they tell me that you take care of yourself, I will take care of myself. I’ll glue the sandpaper on the sole, I will carry removable ice drifts with me in my bag. Well, everyone understands that the states will not say “okay, Russia has given us away, we won’t interfere with it anymore.” Or are there any such naives? There will be their opposition to each of our actions. And we always need to be prepared for their next step. Right now specifically - were not.
    3. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 November 2015 19: 28 New
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      They also invented it. Where was all this before?

      And before they have not yet invented! smile
    4. Iline
      Iline 30 November 2015 19: 31 New
      +5
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      Where was all this before?

      If you carefully look at the nomenclature of shells for the GSH-23 aircraft gun, then you will unexpectedly discover the presence in this line of both anti-radar and thermal shells.
      And you thought, like many of the “experts” present here, on the Tu-95MS two guns in the stern shoot at ground targets or fight enemy fighters? don’t tell my slippers ... And this is in addition to the powerful electronic warfare system.
      It’s just that time passes, technology changes, new opportunities appear. Why not? Another misfortune for the imperialists. A trifle, but nice.
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.



      I gave you a plus, but I wanted to focus on this: it was various tragedies and catastrophes that most of all spur humanity, its minds, to solve problems that nobody had solved before ...

      True, aircraft protection has been involved for so many years, and dipole reflectors are still used ...
      1. Rom14
        Rom14 30 November 2015 19: 55 New
        +1
        Probably there was no protection at all on the Su-24, if they had crept so close?
        1. Throw
          Throw 30 November 2015 20: 29 New
          +1
          Mack-UL was supposed to be there. If it has not been turned off.
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 3 December 2015 00: 59 New
            0
            and the question is, can devices turn off to save a resource or fuel? - or is the consumption negligible when the equipment is turned on?
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      3. Manul
        Manul 30 November 2015 20: 18 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        it is various tragedies and catastrophes that most of all spur mankind, its minds, to solve problems that had not been solved by anyone before ...

        The lord of the Sith means that we had these achievements. development and, in principle, finished products that have passed the test (or do you think that they invented it in 6 days?). And those who prepared the flight combat group had to by hook or by crook achieve the installation of the most modern means of protection for the aircraft participating in hostilities (for example in the form of modernization of aircraft at Russian bases with subsequent operational rotation to the currently used in Syria). We have developments and we had to participate in a real war .. HOW ??? Answer me - HOW, by hook or by crook, can we not achieve an urgent modernization of equipment at our very modern level, realizing that this is far from air darts?
    6. Manul
      Manul 30 November 2015 20: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Lord of the Sith
      It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.

      And with Kursk? To have such an underwater fleet, and not to have high-tech rescue equipment on each of the fleets .. And not to be present next to exercises and tests without fail. Either thunder, or fried rooster - the reason to itch is always bitter.
    7. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 1 December 2015 04: 25 New
      +1
      Yes, indeed ... these products should have been "yesterday", at least. Because the Americans began to develop electronic warfare equipment for aviation (including "disposable") back in the years of the "Vietnam" war, when they "encountered" large loss of aviation.
  3. Hiw
    Hiw 30 November 2015 19: 03 New
    +3
    that the concern has developed it well, it would now be even better to suspend them from our aircraft.
    Still it is necessary to make a model of such a device - let it out, it doesn’t work, its experts will pick it up for study and huh ..... not not - the explosion is not strong, such an offensive explosion, it’s just that poisonous manure is scattered, it’s kind of disgusting at first it is insulting to them but then all the same from poisoning to twist
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 November 2015 19: 32 New
      10
      Quote: HIW
      such an explosion, simply poisonous manure scatters poisonous,

      Yes, you have a direct road to Skolkovo! wink
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 37 New
      +2
      Quote: HIW
      that the concern has developed it well, now it would be even better to suspend them to our aircraft.
      Still it is necessary to make a fake of such a device - released it, as if it didn’t work, its experts will select for study and huh ..... not not - the explosion is not strong, such an offense is such an explosion, it’s just that donkey manure is scatteredt, it is as if at first disgusting and offensive to them, but then all the same from poisoning to twist


      Did you actually understand what you read and then what you wrote ???

      In the first, main case, the conversation is about the "EW station, which is a shell from ordinary (!!!) 23 mm aviation cartridge "!!!

      I do not continue further ... In general, donkey manure cannot be shoved into it, thrust into it and plus everything - equip it with an explosive device ...
      1. Manul
        Manul 30 November 2015 20: 23 New
        +4
        Quote: veksha50
        I do not continue further ... In general, donkey manure cannot be shoved into it, thrust into it, and plus to everything - to equip it with an explosive device ..

        George, and if you drop a living donkey? And before landing, a purgen capsule is injected? Maybe a man is a genius, but we will take it, and let’s pass by? In general, I think that VO is obliged to nominate the author to receive the Shnobel Prize.
        1. Throw
          Throw 30 November 2015 20: 38 New
          +7
          poisonous manure

          Tore laughing

          G..but with sarin is an idea!
          Here she is a real DIRTY BOMB!
          wassat

        2. Throw
          Throw 30 November 2015 20: 42 New
          +1
          live donkey dump?

          Man will no longer have manure to the point of discharge. It is on the external sling even during the warming up of the engines laughing
        3. veksha50
          veksha50 1 December 2015 09: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Manul
          And before landing, a purgen capsule is injected?



          It's easier to put a grenade in the ass ...
          1. goblin xnumx
            goblin xnumx 3 December 2015 00: 56 New
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            senility ascending, who else blurt out something?
      2. Manul
        Manul 30 November 2015 20: 51 New
        +3
        Quote: veksha50
        In the first, main case, the conversation is about "EW station, which is a shell from a conventional (!!!) 23 mm aviation cartridge" !!!

        (Stirlitz knew that the last sentence is remembered best.) In the main case, it can and does, only the article says that it’s not possible for everyone to catch the point if you read it quickly, but in the end an interesting topic about a towed trap (it’s it will definitely be "thicker"). This topic is mainly discussed hi
  4. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 30 November 2015 19: 04 New
    +5
    And what is the distance between "can be equipped" and "equipped"? I would like real action, not "yellow" headlines. Because such bells and whistles are needed "yesterday", and not "tomorrow".
  5. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 19: 04 New
    +3
    It would be nice to add self-destruction to this cartridge, so that later on the earth its enemies would not find and learn the details of this secret development ..
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 30 November 2015 19: 12 New
      0
      This secret development for export is offered.http: //niiekran.ru/prod_ppoi.php http://niiekran.ru/prod_president.php
  6. bad
    bad 30 November 2015 19: 05 New
    +6
    Quote: Lord of the Sith
    It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.
    ... always like that ... unfortunately .. recourse
  7. Hiw
    Hiw 30 November 2015 19: 09 New
    +1
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.



    Oh, well done that they sent experts, we need to iron this place again in the area of ​​the downed Su
  8. ingenera
    ingenera 30 November 2015 19: 10 New
    +4
    Well. it's like an arena on tanks. Everyone knows how good she is and no one has seen her in the army. Unfortunately.
  9. Baloo
    Baloo 30 November 2015 19: 13 New
    +1
    Respect to the creators, I hope that it will save many of the lives of our pilots.
    If this thing is towed, can the power supply also work from the flow of incoming air?
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 30 November 2015 19: 39 New
      +1
      They need a lot of power for a short time, electrochemical generators do it well. All kinds of turntables are not capable of this, but overweight, appreciation and low power, this is please. hi
    2. Manul
      Manul 30 November 2015 20: 26 New
      0
      Quote: Balu
      can the power supply also work from the flow of incoming air?

      And what is the point of weighting the design of each trap with an extra generator, when can it be powered from the on-board system (cable woven into the cable)? This saves both weight / volume and production.
      Quote: Bayonet
      electrochemical generators do a good job of this.
      hi Sorry, you are probably more in the subject. I thought the food was coming on board.
  10. tinibar
    tinibar 30 November 2015 19: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Baikonur
    A great thing, of course! More to this! Radioelectronic Fight => Radioelectronic Safety of our aircraft in particular and the Army and the people of Russia in general!

    PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

    And look at the price tag, and at least the mass-dimensional characteristics ...
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 30 November 2015 19: 42 New
      +1
      “A single-use interference transmitter (POI) developed by the concern, fired from a standard shooting device from an airplane or helicopter, begins to emit interference signals in the frequency spectrum and structure. In the usual standard aviation cartridge, the EW station is fully assembled - it has an antenna, a chemical power generator that provides the transmitter for a few seconds or tens of seconds, ”the release says.
      This is where the heat traps are inserted.
    2. your1970
      your1970 30 November 2015 19: 56 New
      +1
      from the site's site repeat

      PURPOSE:
      Single-use jammers are designed to provide individual protection for aircraft in the front and / or rear hemispheres from guided missiles with homing radar heads.
      MAIN TACTICAL AND TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS

      Operating frequency range
      centimeter
      Gain, dB
      50-60
      Energy potential, W
      to 2
      Working time, sec
      to 6
      Weight, kg
      no more 0,6
      Power supply
      autonomous
  11. Hiw
    Hiw 30 November 2015 19: 20 New
    +3
    Quote: tinibar
    Quote: Baikonur
    A great thing, of course! More to this! Radioelectronic Fight => Radioelectronic Safety of our aircraft in particular and the Army and the people of Russia in general!

    PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

    And look at the price tag, and at least the mass-dimensional characteristics ...


    and drawings with technical description is not necessary?
  12. veksha50
    veksha50 30 November 2015 19: 25 New
    0
    " In the usual standard aviation cartridge fully assembled EW station"...

    Um ... In a cartridge of 23 mm caliber ... an entire EW station ...

    Of course, I’m glad, but this cartridge probably costs like the plane itself ???

    And one more serious question - what, or rather - whose microelement base of this "EW station" ???
  13. Monos
    Monos 30 November 2015 19: 27 New
    +9
    I don’t remember who said: "The best air defense is our tanks at the enemy airfields."
  14. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 30 November 2015 20: 02 New
    +2
    I have been reading VO for a month now, but I still cannot help but be amazed by our scientists and engineers, the heights that they reach in the development, the Americans can only dream of!
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 30 November 2015 22: 07 New
      0
      In particular, Americans are upset when they wake up, such a fantasy from wonderland will dream that not every science fiction book you will find ...
  15. kuz363
    kuz363 30 November 2015 20: 05 New
    -2
    So will there be one such cartridge or several on the plane? Well, let's say he will give out radio interference signals or acoustic noise of an airplane. Maybe it simulates the infrared radiation of an airplane. But the Americans are not fools either. And if their rocket has a video channel for aiming at the plane? And the rocket itself, capturing the aircraft with a video camera, will no longer let it out of sight. Then this eye will definitely not confuse the plane with this trap and it will be useless. By the way, the Israelis have such an anti-tank missile with a video camera. The gunner sits in the shelter, randomly up launches the rocket and controls it through the monitor, pointing at the tank. No interference is affected. In flight, you can change the target or even cancel the defeat of the target.
  16. 31rus
    31rus 30 November 2015 20: 07 New
    +1
    One small word “maybe” spoils the whole picture, but this system should have been armed yesterday, especially in the area of ​​intensive flights of enemy aircraft, where active military operations are being conducted, moreover, from different countries and blocs
  17. Mestny
    Mestny 30 November 2015 20: 33 New
    0
    Quote: Sterlya
    So if they could catch, the "partners" allowed laughing, maybe it was not so modern? (I am a supporter of a real assessment. UNTIL. I know that everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, it’s better not to get involved)

    What other real assessment do you need? What would aliens fly in and tell you? Or what?
    Do you think that our specialists could not really catch it?
    In every comment, such as yours, whatever it is, the thought still sounds that the Americans are the best at everything. Virtually ubiquitous gods.
    I doubt that this is stupidity on your part.
    So propaganda. Information war.
  18. NeRTT
    NeRTT 30 November 2015 20: 56 New
    +1
    The attack was carried out through a thermal imaging channel with a missile with a matrix IR head. In this case, even thermal traps would not help. Is that just a laser complex "President-S"
    Not everything is so sad .. On the Rooks, the SU-25t has a Sukhogruz infrared jamming station that does not do very well in suppressing missiles with an infrared homing head !! soldier
  19. Baloo
    Baloo 30 November 2015 21: 38 New
    0
    So will there be one such cartridge or several on the plane? Well, let's say he will give out radio interference signals or acoustic noise of an airplane. Maybe it simulates the infrared radiation of an airplane. But the Americans are not fools either. And if their rocket has a video channel for aiming at the plane? And the rocket itself, capturing the aircraft with a video camera, will no longer let it out of sight.

    The Israelis are going to put on a civilian liner a device that simulates the spread of infrared traps.

    Banderlogs also came up with something similar for helicopters. It seems last year at VO was infa. I do not have a technical education, I can confuse. As I understand it, the device has a certain optical device with a sapphire lens.
    1. IAlex
      IAlex 30 November 2015 22: 04 New
      0
      Where is the sapphire lens and why is it there ??? Are you working in the pawnshop of Akhtubinsk ???
      1. SSeT
        SSeT 1 December 2015 02: 53 New
        0
        To school, urgently, quickly, decisively! Study the topic by the tag "Luneberg lens"
        Optical they are also
    2. Good me
      Good me 30 November 2015 23: 25 New
      0
      Quote: Balu
      Banderlogs also came up with something similar for helicopters. It seems last year at VO was infa.


      Yes, there was something from banderlogs. I just forgot it, it was before their turntables landed, or after request what .
  20. IAlex
    IAlex 30 November 2015 21: 59 New
    -1
    Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.


    So they are now equipped with them, i.e. aircraft and is a one-time electronic trap for enemy missiles. Recently, they even conducted a practical experiment to establish effectiveness - the effect was 100% and confirmed ...
  21. Lawyer
    Lawyer 30 November 2015 22: 02 New
    0
    An active defense must be installed on the aircraft. Anti-missiles that hit plane-launched missiles.
  22. Whowhy
    Whowhy 30 November 2015 22: 37 New
    0
    But what if a rocket with an explosive-electromagnetic generator (in the picture is a pretty small thing)? Let all the electronics burn out for both launched and non-launched missiles, and the planes at the same time ... Or is there any international agreement about them ???
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 30 November 2015 22: 43 New
      0
      Quote: whowhy
      But what if a rocket with an explosive-electromagnetic generator (in the picture is a pretty small thing)? Let all the electronics burn out for both launched and non-launched missiles, and the planes at the same time ... Or is there any international agreement about them ???

      And for me like that. Only a person who is not self-confident always thinks what they say about him, why such stupid questions are done to himself.
      And an adult, self-confident, does what is necessary, and knows all the answers to children's questions.
      1. Whowhy
        Whowhy 1 December 2015 10: 32 New
        0
        Oh Great Psychologist! Besides, I’m probably an expert in explosive electromagnetic generators ... Please explain to me, a fool, what exactly was so stupid and childish in your sincere question to the community, based on simple and well-known facts:
        - explosive electromagnetic (VEMG) generators exist;
        - VEMGs are able to burn out electronics (and even simple electrical circuits);
        - VEMGs are quite compact.
        Thus, theoretically, the use of VEMG is possible to protect aircraft from missiles. If this is possible, then surely someone has already done it. I don’t consider myself the smartest here (unlike you), so I wonder - if they didn’t, then what is stopping you? There are a lot of really competent people here, as I was convinced ...
        And one more question for you: "Have you been looking in the mirror for a long time?"
        1. Former battalion commander
          Former battalion commander 2 December 2015 14: 32 New
          0
          Allow me to get stuck in your polemic. Dear WhoWhy Your offer is not yet feasible for the following reasons (as it seems to me).
          1. VEMG (your abbreviation) if they exist, then only in the form of nuclear munitions.
          2. No one has ever seen at least one working sample of the described product, and even capable of burning electronics, and even compact, and even at a great distance ...
          3. In order to "burn out" something, you need to apply enough energy to this "something". And energy, unfortunately, is rapidly decreasing (IN CUBA) from a distance. Already half a meter away from the microwave, nothing will burn out, not even burn out. Here, an example of a microwave is given due to the fact that the same principle (EMR) is used.
          4. As a result, even if it is possible to create a VEMG with a radius of action of 5-10 meters, then there is no point in it because at such a distance there are enough ordinary fragments ...

          This of course is purely my personal opinion. By the way, where did you get the information about the VEMG you are describing? Share the link.
  23. mihasik
    mihasik 30 November 2015 23: 34 New
    +1
    Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.

    The main thing here "MAY BE", but may not be! For this "maybe" we have already lost two professionals in Syria. How many times will there be “maybe” so that “Avos” will not be brought to the “Zugunder”?
  24. shura7782
    shura7782 1 December 2015 00: 34 New
    0
    God grant that these products save our pilots. Are there any summaries of such protective equipment in real databases?
  25. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 December 2015 02: 39 New
    0
    Americans have already expressed concern about air-to-air missiles,
    which we will hang on our planes in Syria.
    Maybe it’s still worthwhile to strengthen the protection of our ships in advance.
    Although most likely this has already been done.
  26. Seneca
    Seneca 1 December 2015 04: 19 New
    0
    Will and must be .. key values. lol
  27. spolo
    spolo 1 December 2015 04: 20 New
    0
    Quote: Sterlya
    Quote: Sterlya
    TILL. I know that everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, better not mess)

    Minus! laughing Yes, even crack. I also love, “respect” the amers, but I will not deny the fact that they have produced what is qualitatively.
    One must be able to accept what is true.

    Sometimes quality is evil. remember mp40 wedges were given because of the German flawless fit in good ice-breakers. And our races ... dyayskie pulsed like never before
    Chinese yes .. There are no words ..
  28. Koshak
    Koshak 1 December 2015 05: 00 New
    0
    If disposable - need mass production. Give government orders! good who about what ...
  29. Just BB
    Just BB 1 December 2015 05: 41 New
    0
    Complete crap!
    But the budget for the military commissar is allocated - it needs to be pilanut!
    The plane was shot down, not because he had nothing, but because no one looked so that they would not be shot down
  30. Dimka off
    Dimka off 1 December 2015 11: 14 New
    0
    there is something similar for fighting KAZ tanks. EMP grenade Atropos which blinds the enemy and allows you to hit the tank at the time of blinding.
  31. azesm
    azesm 1 December 2015 11: 56 New
    0
    For Syria, do not forget about the Donbass
    http://dnr.narodedin.com/
    http://lnr.narodedin.com/
  32. Yuuki
    Yuuki 1 December 2015 18: 54 New
    0
    I wonder how much one such thing costs?
  33. Michael - 235
    Michael - 235 1 December 2015 20: 28 New
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    The main thing is not to be late with the implementation and application.
  34. Susul
    Susul 2 December 2015 08: 07 New
    0
    Bullshit it! We need anti-missiles, with a flight range of 1-3 kilometers
  35. heruv1me
    heruv1me 2 December 2015 13: 34 New
    0
    This is news, exactly 10 years ago I quit the research institute, it was in my department that a prototype of such a trap was created, I personally held it in my hands. At that time it cost (1 piece) a lot of money, but IT was created and worked (this is 2005), 10 years have passed, and things are still there, I honestly hoped that we would use them for a long time, just PPC. By the way, such traps were already in the NATO forces, while the ones that we had at that time were just being developed, and the NATO members used them in the Balkan war. And I don’t need to fill in about our omnipotent electronic warfare, of course the microwave is not well developed in our country, but we are really behind the USA here, and all these articles are awful, including from their side, they were created as scarecrows for knocking dough from our state .
    Adyos.
    1. goblin xnumx
      goblin xnumx 3 December 2015 01: 08 New
      0
      here's the news- and we are also resuming the construction of that 160 not the most recent development date- and the mi 35 helicopter has progressed so much that it has lost retractable landing gear and max speed compared to “24” and the retracted project “object (I don’t remember 260?) put forward as the latest fittings, there are many new ones :)
  36. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 2 December 2015 14: 02 New
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    The battle of "armor and shell" in aviation flares up in earnest. My personal opinion, in this area it is POSSIBLE to create an impenetrable "armor". If the "armor" is aimed at suppressing or incapacitating the sights of the attacker (rocket or plane), then the "shell" will indeed have to really acquire the appearance of a NORMAL APPLIANCE from a cannon ... What are my assumptions based on? We look how ALL sighting devices are arranged. Purpose NEEDS TO SEE! What can you see? Nature has given only one way of "seeing" through electromagnetic waves. So it is necessary to have a system for suppressing EM radiation at the protected object: for waves of the light range (UV, visible light, IR), a laser directed directly, roughly speaking, to a rocket or a pilot in the eye is suitable. For radio waves of the all-wave electronic warfare system. For missiles aiming specifically at radio radiation targets are effective traps, false targets as described in the article, there are other methods to send such missiles to heaven. For example: on the basis of interference of radiation, or anti-missiles, up to the release of networks (like fishing ones) in the direction of an attacking missile ... If the planes became so expensive, the cost of developing and using "armor" for them is incomparably lower ...
  37. Sotnik77s
    Sotnik77s 2 December 2015 18: 15 New
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    Yes, you have to try and then write, so that there is something to boast about