Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.

Concern Radioelectronic Technologies (KRET) has developed for the Russian aviation traps of a new type, which are actually transmitters of single-use interference, transmit RIA News message of the press service of the company.

“A single-use interference transmitter (POI) developed by the concern, fired from a standard shooting device from an airplane or helicopter, begins to emit interference signals in the frequency spectrum and structure. In the usual standard aviation cartridge, the EW station is fully assembled - it has an antenna, a chemical power generator that provides the transmitter for a few seconds or tens of seconds, ”the release says.

Depending on the situation, the POI imitates all the main characteristics of the aircraft and takes on the attacking rocket or gives a signal of sufficiently high power, which closes the ability of the rocket to hit the target, explained the press service.

It is noted that "interference transmitters refer to the so-called consumable EW, or" EW ammunition "." The same category, according to the report, also includes “single-use interference transmitters of the optical range, anti-radar cartridges and the active towed radar trap developed by KRET, which fully simulates the characteristics of the aircraft.”

Comments

[oleg-gr]

Additional protection from KRET. Just try out Syria in the sky. After the death of the aircraft will accelerate the introduction of such funds.

[Denis Obukhov]

According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

[Samaritan]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

This is a button accordion, word for word article after Cook ...

[veksha50]

Quote: Samaritan

This is a button accordion, word for word article after Cook ..

Why button accordion ??? The usual activities of intelligence and scientific-technical units ...

[Vita vko]

Quote: veksha50

The usual activities of intelligence and scientific-technical units ...

It remains only to send something like Cook with Aegis to the border of Syria and Turkey. Otherwise, nothing will work. EW complexes on their own initiative will not emit anything. And the F-16 "crept" to our Su-24 in radio silence according to external target designation from the American or Saudi (most likely) AWACS E-3, which rose 1 hour before the attack. The attack was carried out through a thermal imaging channel with a missile with a matrix IR head. In this case, even heat traps would not help. Is that only the laser complex "President-S"

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Vita VKO

It remains only to send to the border of Syria and Turkey something like Cook with Aegis

In the Black Sea, the American "heroes" have already littered with diapers, now in the Mediterranean ???

[Vorobey-1]

Good news! As we are promoting electronic warfare technologies, now there is a concept not only of electronic warfare installations, but also "electronic warfare ammunition". What are unified

fired from a standard airplane or helicopter shooting device

- Generally super, which means they can be used on many aircraft without additional modifications and devices

[varov14]

I hope they themselves are destroyed in the last meters of the flight, and do not fall like manna from heaven into the hands of the enemy.

[fdg45tfh]

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[aleks 62 next]

..... missile with matrix IR head. In this case, even thermal traps would not help .....

.... That's about it (about heat traps), please, in more detail, and if possible in PM ..... Doubts torment ....

[Dryuya2]

Quote: Samaritan

This is the button accordion

Quote: veksha50

Why button accordion ???

but who will say something about it - will we have a second base ????
or is it "speculation of experts"?
http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article/special-reports/2015/11/30/639168/nr/syria
موسكو توسّع نفوذها في سورية بلواء و 100 طائرة ( )
(Moscow is expanding its influence in Syria with brigades and 100 aircraft)

[Mih]

in Arabic, to my shame, I do not read. I hope this is not useful to me.

[sever.56]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

For more than twenty years, from the mid-70s to the 96th year, repairing torpedoes for the fleet. So already then we had torpedoes imitating the noise of a submarine. In case of danger of an attack, they shot back, and the pursuer slowly went crazy, seeing a dozen targets on the locator (sonar). We caught, disassembled and studied, together with big minds from institutes, the best American torpedo for those times, in my opinion, MK-46, so we laughed ... For us, it was in its performance characteristics at the level of products that we had 10-15 years ago.

[Sterlya]

Quote: sever.56

For more than twenty years, from the mid-70s to the 96th year, repairing torpedoes for the fleet. So already then we had torpedoes imitating the noise of a submarine. In case of danger of an attack, they shot back, and the pursuer slowly went crazy, seeing a dozen targets on the locator (sonar). We caught, disassembled and studied, together with big minds from institutes, the best American torpedo for those times, in my opinion, MK-46, so we laughed ... For us, it was in its performance characteristics at the level of products that we had 10-15 years ago.

So if they could catch it, the "partners" allowed maybe it wasn’t so modern? (I am a supporter of a real assessment. UNTIL. I know everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, it’s better not to get involved)

[Sterlya]

Quote: Sterlya

TILL. I know that everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, better not mess)

Minus! Yes, at least crack it. I also love it very much, "respect" amers, but what they have produced Qualitatively, I will not deny.
One must be able to accept what is true.

[NordUral]

Correctly. The enemy must be evaluated adequately, without a complex of contemptuous superiority. Knowing the real state of affairs is half the battle.

[Sterlya]

Quote: NordUral

Correctly. The enemy must be evaluated adequately, without a complex of contemptuous superiority. Knowing the real state of affairs is half the battle.

That's it. Underestimating an adversary is in any way worse than an overestimation. And hatred is only for complacency.
Everything should be in moderation.

[sharp-lad]

So! So it's time to start production of specialized caps for arming them cap-thrower fighters! Caps are needed for fighting in all three warfare environments.

[Xzistant]

Dear,
Tell me, please, what is being carried out from and to in the FSA? iPhones - in China, app. parts for missiles, torpedoes, etc. - China, spare parts for cars - China ...

Those. it turns out that you respect Chinese products sold under the Amer brand)))

[Streich]

By the way, about "Chinese" - GE rivets almost all of its boards in Shenzhen (not to be confused with Schengen, at first we confused). So almost all electronics are from China. Even ultrasonic transducers had their early development at IUSI in Shenzhen.

[Sterlya]

Quote: Streich

By the way, about "Chinese" - GE rivets almost all of its boards in Shenzhen (not to be confused with Schengen, at first we confused). So almost all electronics are from China. Even ultrasonic transducers had their early development at IUSI in Shenzhen.

Well, like this. The Chinese began to produce when Amer companies in pursuit of profit transferred production to China. Forgetting the reefs. We recovered. it was too late already. At least in this. The Chinese peacefully shod them.
And the Chinese have not yet rolled. Therefore, their activities are such. Diffidence. That is why the monkey will sit on the tree until the tigers chew each other. (and it’s unlikely to come down) To go down, it will be too late and very bad for everyone))

[GSH-18]

Quote: Streich

By the way, about "Chinese" - GE rivets almost all of its boards in Shenzhen (not to be confused with Schengen, at first we confused). So almost all electronics from China

JUNK! We, too, first fell for this noodle about Chinese quality, until our space rockets showered with GLONASS satellites and commercial European ones, remember this epic? While all the electronics were not replaced with better ones, nothing good came of it. And from myself I’ll add, I understand the little one in microelectronics, I had the opportunity to compare imported mikruhi and their Chinese counterparts on measuring instruments. I declare responsible-Chinese microelectronics JAR for consumer goods! Not reliable and low-quality, and therefore cheap.

[kush62]

China is big. Everything is there. They do not throw marriage away. From this Mr., much comes to us. And people want freebies, cheaper.

[vladimir_krm]

Expensive does not always mean good quality. Americans have a silly adage: "Money is everything." They believed it themselves, and forgot that good brains have not been canceled either. And I just strained with them ... What is the use to me if the product is exceptionally beautiful, well made and in beautiful packaging, if the seemingly awful Russian analogue works more efficiently? And this also happens.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: sever.56

So already then we had torpedoes imitating the noise of a submarine. In case of danger of an attack, they shot back, and the pursuer slowly went crazy, seeing a dozen targets on the locator (sonar).

I do not know, true or not, the specialty is not that. Somewhere at the beginning of the 80's at a military aerodrome, an ensign technician said that during the Caribbean crisis in Penza, they either loaded onto cars or unloaded bombs of 10 tons each. Two pieces per wagon. I recalled this story when, in 2003, the Americans talked about their MOAB.

I don’t know what they loaded there in Penza, maybe the ensign got it wrong, but I have a feeling that, unlike America, we don’t write ads on every corner when they invent something revolutionary new and triple awful for the enemy ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Somewhere in the early 80s, at a military aerodrome, an ensign technician said that during the Caribbean crisis in Penza, they either loaded onto cars or unloaded bombs of 10 tons each. Two pieces per wagon. I recalled this story when, in 2003, the Americans started talking about their MOAB.

Read the book by II Shelest "Winged People". There is a mention of these bombs. And Somewhere else I read about these bombs, I think V. Akkuratov. Yes, there were such bombs already in the Second World War, but only piece copies.

[Dimka off]

Quote: Zoldat_A

but I have the feeling that we, unlike America, do not write ads on every corner when they invent something revolutionary new and terribly triple for the enemy ...

That's it. In the event of a serious war, the NATO team will get stupid from our surprises

[aleks 62 next]

.... in my opinion, MK-46, so we laughed ... For us, it was in its performance characteristics at the level of products that we had 10-15 years ago ....

... They laughed in vain .... One of the best torpedoes .... And the Germans used torpedoes imitators at the end of the war ... The truth is not as perfect as they are now, ..... But still ...

[Skifotavr]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

Mutual hunting for military electronic news has always been, is and will be.

[Zefr]

If their best specialists are there, an ambush should be set up and everyone should be caught. And then let them tell something interesting about the most important bourgeois secret, then let go.

[V.ic]

Quote: Zefr

it is necessary to arrange an ambush and to catch everyone. And then

Then we will have our garnets clap slidakam: what won karily.

[Sterlya]

Quote: Zefr

If their best specialists are there, an ambush should be set up and everyone should be caught. And then let them tell something interesting about the most important bourgeois secret, then let go.

Do you think they will tell?

[Turkir]

The hunt for news ..
So they shot down our plane? And so that he falls closer to Turkey
And below the detachment was already waiting to take away the details of the aircraft.
They wiped off the entire detachment .. along with the remains of the aircraft.
This conclusion suggests itself.

[mirag2]

According to expert John Ebert,

-this material was on "Komsomolskaya Pravda".
This expert’s opinion was cited in an analysis of the reason for the downing of the SU-24; one of the versions was Paul Craig (a pro-Russian or, if you please, anti-American political scientist from the USA), he suggested that the Turks knocked down the SU from the submission of amers in order for the Russian VKS began to use their new electronic warfare technologies in Syria, and Amer type specialists could evaluate their effectiveness.

[Maj.]

they will appreciate and try to snitch something.

[Turkir]

Tell me where the version of Paul Craig Roberts is published?
He has smart articles.

[varov14]

It’s necessary to sow the field with traps with mines so that it can be cleared only with special trawls, and it is easier to track them, after all, the equipment is probably cumbersome.

[Mih]

Amer ... zats are always ready to scam something - this is their principle of life.

[Baikonur]

It's a great thing, of course! More of this! RadioElectronic Warfare => RadioElectronic Security of our aircraft in particular and of the Army and the people of Russia in general!

PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

[mirag2]

The price tag would be interesting to see!

-on any CHEAPER than the life of a pilot hero, ready to take risks.

[veksha50]

Quote: Baikonur

PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

I think that it’s not worth seeing it, otherwise the jaw will fall off ... There should be this unprecedented amount of money ... That is, we’ll say frankly - exclusive, not for everyday prosaic everyday life ... And you need it - simply, cheaply, effectively ...

You look, then they will make it cheaper from the expensive ... It all depends on the element base ...

[under-cut]

Well, I think that it’s cheaper than a full-fledged combat unit (airplane, helicopter). Not to mention the lives of specialists who control these units

[DDR]

Quote: Baikonur

It's a great thing, of course! More of this! RadioElectronic Warfare => RadioElectronic Security of our aircraft in particular and of the Army and the people of Russia in general!

PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

The price of the plane is much higher, and the lives of our pilots are generally priceless

[Tor5]

Very on time and very out of place!

[Civil]

We use all the secret in Syria ...

[Amurets]

Quote: Civil

We use all the secret in Syria ...

Everything that gets into the troops, despite the heaps of 0,00 vultures, and others already become unclassified. Remember the saying: "What three know, the pig knows." And now about the secrets of the United States: Remember the "Manhattan Project" with its signature "Before reading burn "so what? The project ended up in Russia. Read the site" 38th brigade OSNAZ Pacific Fleet ". On this site you will find how the Soviet naval intelligence worked against the United States. And the Vietnam War gave a lot to both ours and the Americans in terms of collecting military And no one will send highly qualified specialists to collect scrap metal, for this there are special collectors trained in special methods for neutralizing such finds, since they can contain self-liquidators, as our and Vietnamese trophy collectors in Vietnam have seen.

[v.yegorov]

In Syria, a lot of things will be tested. Every war, as it does not sound
cynically, a kind of training ground for the new military-industrial complex.

[Sterlya]

Quote: v.yegorov

In Syria, a lot of things will be tested. Every war, as it does not sound
cynically, a kind of training ground for the new military-industrial complex.

There is no cynicism in this. We did not get involved in order to test a new weapon?
If the war had begun under the pretext of promoting democracy, and in fact, in order to test new weapons, promote the export of dead presidents along the way.
That would be cynicism.

[AUL]

But what interests me is what happens to the spent trap? After all, a potential friend can pick up and study, and then develop an antidote to it. Probably there should be a self-liquidator to carry it to dust, not subject to study. But it can be dangerous for people on earth. Or maybe for the plane itself.

[Mih]

There is no cynicism in this. We did not get involved in order to test a new weapon?

Well, I think this is not entirely true. Here is the launch of missiles from the squadron of the Sea of ​​Azov. It is a very interesting experiment to test the combat readiness of the fleet and the fulfillment of tasks. And how it all happened - everyone was satisfied. Very high quality.

[Alexey-74]

The Western coalition is strengthening (along the way, everyone wants to take a piece of the "Syrian pie") .... and I think this Russian know-how can be tested, I join ...

[Lord of the Sith]

It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.

[Thunderbolt]

This is an element of the "President" complex. The message of the article is clear. Calm the population and assure that the mistakes of the past have been taken into account.

[hydrox]

Quote: Sith Lord

People then perished.

Do you always carry an armful of straw for bedding with you when you go down the sidewalk into ice, or when you drop a bucket of sand?
Or are you still confident that 9 women can give birth to a baby in a month?

[Maj.]

Dear hydrox, you justify gouging, the usual banal and ubiquitous. Everything starts with the order, and we have a shit with him.

[Rom14]

Of course, you won’t take into account everything. But the Su-24 is not a maize, should the pilot see the potential danger ???

[Manul]

Quote: Rom14

But the Su-24 is not a maize, should the pilot see the potential danger ???

This was immediately said. The Su-24 most likely turned off the warning system upon returning to the base, but in other cases, when they hit the tail and point-blank the missile from the GOS, there is practically no chance of detecting it and dodging it.

[Manul]

Quote: hydrox

Do you always carry an armful of straw for bedding with you when you go down the sidewalk into ice, or when you drop a bucket of sand?

In fact, I pay taxes so that the municipality either knocks down the ice or sprinkles it with sand. If they tell me that I take care of myself, I will take care of myself. I will glue the sandpaper on the sole, I will carry removable ice drifts with me in my bag. Well, everyone understands that the states will not say - "Okay, Russia has done us, we will no longer interfere with it." Or are there such naive? Each of our actions will be opposed by them, and we always need to be ready for their next step. Right now, specifically, they weren't.

[Bayonet]

Quote: Sith Lord

They also invented it. Where was all this before?

And before they have not yet invented!

[Iline]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

Where was all this before?

If you carefully look at the nomenclature of shells for the GSH-23 aircraft gun, then you will unexpectedly discover the presence in this line of both anti-radar and thermal shells.
And you thought, like many of the "experts" present here, on the Tu-95MS two cannons in the stern shoot at ground targets or fight enemy fighters? do not tell my sneakers ... And this is in addition to the powerful on-board electronic warfare system.
It’s just that time passes, technology changes, new opportunities appear. Why not? Another misfortune for the imperialists. A trifle, but nice.

[veksha50]

Quote: Sith Lord

It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.

I gave you a plus, but I wanted to focus on this: it was various tragedies and catastrophes that most of all spur humanity, its minds, to solve problems that nobody had solved before ...

True, aircraft protection has been involved for so many years, and dipole reflectors are still used ...

[Rom14]

Probably there was no protection at all on the Su-24, if they had crept so close?

[Throw]

Mack-UL was supposed to be there. If it has not been turned off.

[goblin xnumx]

and the question is, can devices turn off to save a resource or fuel? - or is the consumption negligible when the equipment is turned on?

[Manul]

Quote: veksha50

it is various tragedies and catastrophes that most of all spur mankind, its minds, to solve problems that had not been solved by anyone before ...

The lord of the Sith means that we had these achievements. development and, in principle, finished products that have passed the test (or do you think that they invented it in 6 days?). And those who prepared the flight combat group had to by hook or by crook achieve the installation of the most modern means of protection for the aircraft participating in hostilities (for example in the form of modernization of aircraft at Russian bases with subsequent operational rotation to the currently used in Syria). We have developments and we had to participate in a real war .. HOW ??? Answer me - HOW, by hook or by crook, can we not achieve an urgent modernization of equipment at our very modern level, realizing that this is far from air darts?

[Manul]

Quote: Sith Lord

It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.

And with Kursk? To have such an underwater fleet, and not to have high-tech rescue equipment on each of the fleets .. And not to be present next to exercises and tests without fail. Either thunder, or fried rooster - the reason to itch is always bitter.

[Nikolaevich I]

Yes, indeed ... these products should have been available "yesterday", at least. After all, the Americans began to develop electronic warfare equipment for aviation (including "disposable" ones) back in the years of the "Vietnamese" war, when they "faced" large aviation losses.

[Hiw]

that the concern has developed it well, it would now be even better to suspend them from our aircraft.
Still it is necessary to make a model of such a device - let it out, it doesn’t work, its experts will pick it up for study and huh ..... not not - the explosion is not strong, such an offensive explosion, it’s just that poisonous manure is scattered, it’s kind of disgusting at first it is insulting to them but then all the same from poisoning to twist

[Bayonet]

Quote: HIW

such an explosion, simply poisonous manure scatters poisonous,

Yes, you have a direct road to Skolkovo!

[veksha50]

Quote: HIW

that the concern has developed it well, now it would be even better to suspend them to our aircraft.
Still it is necessary to make a fake of such a device - released it, as if it didn’t work, its experts will select for study and huh ..... not not - the explosion is not strong, such an offense is such an explosion, it’s just that donkey manure is scatteredt, it is as if at first disgusting and offensive to them, but then all the same from poisoning to twist

Did you actually understand what you read and then what you wrote ???

In the first, main case, the conversation is about "an electronic warfare station, which is a projectile from ordinary (!!!) 23 mm aviation cartridge "!!!

I do not continue further ... In general, donkey manure cannot be shoved into it, thrust into it and plus everything - equip it with an explosive device ...

[Manul]

Quote: veksha50

I do not continue further ... In general, donkey manure cannot be shoved into it, thrust into it, and plus to everything - to equip it with an explosive device ..

George, and if you drop a living donkey? And before landing, a purgen capsule is injected? Maybe a man is a genius, but we will take it, and let’s pass by? In general, I think that VO is obliged to nominate the author to receive the Shnobel Prize.

[Throw]

poisonous manure

Tore

G..but with sarin is an idea!
Here she is a real DIRTY BOMB!

[Throw]

live donkey dump?

Man will no longer have manure to the point of discharge. It is on the external sling even during the warming up of the engines

[veksha50]

Quote: Manul

And before landing, a purgen capsule is injected?

It's easier to put a grenade in the ass ...

[goblin xnumx]

senility ascending, who else blurt out something?

[Manul]

Quote: veksha50

In the first, main case, the conversation is about "an electronic warfare station, which is a projectile from a conventional (!!!) 23 mm aviation cartridge" !!!

(Stirlitz knew that the last phrase is remembered the best) Basically it can and does, only the article tells about it in such a way that not everyone can catch the point if you read it quickly, and at the end there is an interesting topic about a towed trap (it is will definitely be "thicker"). This topic is mainly discussed

[Vasyan1971]

And what is the distance between "can be equipped" and "equipped"? I would like real action, not "yellow" headlines. Because such bells and whistles are needed "yesterday" and not "tomorrow".

[Denis Obukhov]

It would be nice to add self-destruction to this cartridge, so that later on the earth its enemies would not find and learn the details of this secret development ..

[Thunderbolt]

This secret development for export is offered.http: //niiekran.ru/prod_ppoi.php http://niiekran.ru/prod_president.php

[bad]

Quote: Lord of the Sith

It's like after a disaster in the subway or there at the mine, such news begins to pour in. They also invented it. Where was all this before? People then perished.

... always like that ... unfortunately ..

[Hiw]

Quote: Denis Obukhov

According to expert John Ebert, the United States sent the most competent radio technicians from Raven and ELINT to the region of the downed Su. In the hope that Russia will now use in Syria a secret "miracle weapon" of electronic warfare to protect its aviation and they will be able to learn the principles of its operation. To then create your own samples, or at least learn how to block Russian secret technology.

Oh, well done that they sent experts, we need to iron this place again in the area of ​​the downed Su

[ingenera]

Well. it's like "Arena" on tanks. Everyone knows how good she is and no one saw her in the troops. Unfortunately.

[Baloo]

Respect to the creators, I hope that it will save many of the lives of our pilots.
If this thing is towed, can the power supply also work from the flow of incoming air?

[Bayonet]

They need a lot of power for a short time, electrochemical generators do it well. All kinds of turntables are not capable of this, but overweight, appreciation and low power, this is please.

[Manul]

Quote: Balu

can the power supply also work from the flow of incoming air?

And what is the point of weighting the design of each trap with an extra generator, when can it be powered from the on-board system (cable woven into the cable)? This saves both weight / volume and production.

Quote: Bayonet

electrochemical generators do a good job of this.

Sorry, you are probably more in the subject. I thought the food was coming on board.

[tinibar]

Quote: Baikonur

It's a great thing, of course! More of this! RadioElectronic Warfare => RadioElectronic Security of our aircraft in particular and of the Army and the people of Russia in general!

PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

And look at the price tag, and at least the mass-dimensional characteristics ...

[serezhasoldatow]

“A single-use interference transmitter (POI) developed by the concern, fired from a standard shooting device from an airplane or helicopter, begins to emit interference signals in the frequency spectrum and structure. In the usual standard aviation cartridge, the EW station is fully assembled - it has an antenna, a chemical power generator that provides the transmitter for a few seconds or tens of seconds, ”the release says.
This is where the heat traps are inserted.

[your1970]

from the site's site

PURPOSE:
Single-use jammers are designed to provide individual protection for aircraft in the front and / or rear hemispheres from guided missiles with homing radar heads.
MAIN TACTICAL AND TECHNICAL CHARACTERISTICS

Operating frequency range
centimeter
Gain, dB
50-60
Energy potential, W
to 2
Working time, sec
to 6
Weight, kg
no more 0,6
Power supply
autonomous

[Hiw]

Quote: tinibar

Quote: Baikonur

It's a great thing, of course! More of this! RadioElectronic Warfare => RadioElectronic Security of our aircraft in particular and of the Army and the people of Russia in general!

PS: The price tag would be interesting to see!

And look at the price tag, and at least the mass-dimensional characteristics ...

and drawings with technical description is not necessary?

[veksha50]

" In the usual standard aviation cartridge fully assembled EW station"...

Um ... In a cartridge of 23 mm caliber ... an entire EW station ...

Of course, I’m glad, but this cartridge probably costs like the plane itself ???

And one more serious question - what is, or rather - whose trace element base of this "electronic warfare station" ???

[Monos]

I don't remember who said: "The best air defense is our tanks on enemy airfields."

[Santjaga_Garka]

I have been reading VO for a month now, but I still cannot help but be amazed by our scientists and engineers, the heights that they reach in the development, the Americans can only dream of!

[IAlex]

In particular, Americans are upset when they wake up, such a fantasy from wonderland will dream that not every science fiction book you will find ...

[kuz363]

So will there be one such cartridge or several on the plane? Well, let's say he will give out radio interference signals or acoustic noise of an airplane. Maybe it simulates the infrared radiation of an airplane. But the Americans are not fools either. And if their rocket has a video channel for aiming at the plane? And the rocket itself, capturing the aircraft with a video camera, will no longer let it out of sight. Then this eye will definitely not confuse the plane with this trap and it will be useless. By the way, the Israelis have such an anti-tank missile with a video camera. The gunner sits in the shelter, randomly up launches the rocket and controls it through the monitor, pointing at the tank. No interference is affected. In flight, you can change the target or even cancel the defeat of the target.

[31rus]

One small word "possibly" spoils the whole picture, but this system should be in service only yesterday, especially in the area of ​​intensive flights of enemy aviation, where active hostilities are being conducted, moreover from different countries and blocs

[Mestny]

Quote: Sterlya

So if they could catch it, let the "partners" laughing, maybe it was not so modern? (I am a supporter of the real assessment. YET. I know that everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, it is better not to mess with)

What other real assessment do you need? What would aliens fly in and tell you? Or what?
Do you think that our specialists could not really catch it?
In every comment, such as yours, whatever it is, the thought still sounds that the Americans are the best at everything. Virtually ubiquitous gods.
I doubt that this is stupidity on your part.
So propaganda. Information war.

[NeRTT]

The attack was carried out through a thermal imaging channel with a missile with a matrix IR head. In this case, even heat traps would not help. Is that only the laser complex "President-S"
Not everything is so sad .. On the "Rooks" SU-25t there is an infrared jamming station "Sukhogruz" which does not do a very bad job of suppressing missiles with an infrared homing head !!

[Baloo]

So will there be one such cartridge or several on the plane? Well, let's say he will give out radio interference signals or acoustic noise of an airplane. Maybe it simulates the infrared radiation of an airplane. But the Americans are not fools either. And if their rocket has a video channel for aiming at the plane? And the rocket itself, capturing the aircraft with a video camera, will no longer let it out of sight.

The Israelis are going to put on a civilian liner a device that simulates the spread of infrared traps.

Banderlogs also came up with something similar for helicopters. It seems last year at VO was infa. I do not have a technical education, I can confuse. As I understand it, the device has a certain optical device with a sapphire lens.

[IAlex]

Where is the sapphire lens and why is it there ??? Are you working in the pawnshop of Akhtubinsk ???

[SSeT]

To school, urgently, quickly, decisively! Study the topic by tag "Luneberg lens"
Optical they are also

[Good me]

Quote: Balu

Banderlogs also came up with something similar for helicopters. It seems last year at VO was infa.

Yes, there was something from banderlogs. I just forgot it, it was before their turntables landed, or after ...

[IAlex]

Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.

So they are now equipped with them, i.e. aircraft and is a one-time electronic trap for enemy missiles. Recently, they even conducted a practical experiment to establish effectiveness - the effect was 100% and confirmed ...

[Lawyer]

An active defense must be installed on the aircraft. Anti-missiles that hit plane-launched missiles.

[Whowhy]

But what if a rocket with an explosive-electromagnetic generator (in the picture is a pretty small thing)? Let all the electronics burn out for both launched and non-launched missiles, and the planes at the same time ... Or is there any international agreement about them ???

[Sterlya]

Quote: whowhy

But what if a rocket with an explosive-electromagnetic generator (in the picture is a pretty small thing)? Let all the electronics burn out for both launched and non-launched missiles, and the planes at the same time ... Or is there any international agreement about them ???

And for me like that. Only a person who is not self-confident always thinks what they say about him, why such stupid questions are done to himself.
And an adult, self-confident, does what is necessary, and knows all the answers to children's questions.

[Whowhy]

Oh Great Psychologist! Besides, I’m probably an expert in explosive electromagnetic generators ... Please explain to me, a fool, what exactly was so stupid and childish in your sincere question to the community, based on simple and well-known facts:
- explosive electromagnetic (VEMG) generators exist;
- VEMGs are able to burn out electronics (and even simple electrical circuits);
- VEMGs are quite compact.
Thus, theoretically, the use of VEMG is possible to protect aircraft from missiles. If this is possible, then surely someone has already done it. I don’t consider myself the smartest here (unlike you), so I wonder - if they didn’t, then what is stopping you? There are a lot of really competent people here, as I was convinced ...
And one more question for you: "How long have you looked in the mirror?"

[Former battalion commander]

Allow me to get stuck in your polemic. Dear WhoWhy Your offer is not yet feasible for the following reasons (as it seems to me).
1. VEMG (your abbreviation) if they exist, then only in the form of nuclear munitions.
2. No one has ever seen at least one working sample of the described product, and even capable of burning electronics, and even compact, and even at a great distance ...
3. In order to "burn out" something, it is necessary to apply enough energy to this "something". And the energy, unfortunately, quickly decreases (IN CUBE) from distance. Already half a meter from the microwave, nothing will be burned out, but even heated. An example of a microwave is shown here due to the fact that the same principle (EMP) is used.
4. As a result, even if it is possible to create a VEMG with a radius of action of 5-10 meters, then there is no point in it because at such a distance there are enough ordinary fragments ...

This of course is purely my personal opinion. By the way, where did you get the information about the VEMG you are describing? Share the link.

[mihasik]

Russian aircraft can be equipped with disposable electronic traps.

The main thing here "CAN BE", or may not be! For this "maybe" we have already lost two professionals in Syria. How many more times will there be "maybe" that "Maybe" will not lead to "Zugunder"?

[shura7782]

God grant that these products save our pilots. Are there any summaries of such protective equipment in real databases?

[Zomanus]

Americans have already expressed concern about air-to-air missiles,
which we will hang on our planes in Syria.
Maybe it’s still worthwhile to strengthen the protection of our ships in advance.
Although most likely this has already been done.

[Seneca]

Will and must be .. key values.

[spolo]

Quote: Sterlya

Quote: Sterlya

TILL. I know that everything American is expensive, and the quality is above all, everything is thought out. Chinese, better not mess)

Minus! Yes, at least crack it. I also love it very much, "respect" amers, but what they have produced Qualitatively, I will not deny.
One must be able to accept what is true.

Sometimes quality is evil. remember mp40 wedges were given because of the German flawless fit in good ice-breakers. And our races ... dyayskie pulsed like never before
Chinese yes .. There are no words ..

[Koshak]

If disposable - need mass production. Give government orders! who about what ...

[Just BB]

Complete crap!
But the budget for the military commissar is allocated - it needs to be pilanut!
The plane was shot down, not because he had nothing, but because no one looked so that they would not be shot down

[Dimka off]

there is something similar for fighting KAZ tanks. EMP grenade Atropos which blinds the enemy and allows you to hit the tank at the time of blinding.

[azesm]

For Syria, do not forget about the Donbass
http://dnr.narodedin.com/
http://lnr.narodedin.com/

[Yuuki]

I wonder how much one such thing costs?

[Michael - 235]

The main thing is not to be late with the implementation and application.

[Susul]

Bullshit it! We need anti-missiles, with a flight range of 1-3 kilometers

[heruv1me]

This is news, exactly 10 years ago I quit the research institute, it was in my department that a prototype of such a trap was created, I personally held it in my hands. At that time it cost (1 piece) a lot of money, but IT was created and worked (this is 2005), 10 years have passed, and things are still there, I honestly hoped that we would use them for a long time, just PPC. By the way, such traps were already in the NATO forces, while the ones that we had at that time were just being developed, and the NATO members used them in the Balkan war. And I don’t need to fill in about our omnipotent electronic warfare, of course the microwave is not well developed in our country, but we are really behind the USA here, and all these articles are awful, including from their side, they were created as scarecrows for knocking dough from our state .
Adyos.

[goblin xnumx]

Here's the news - and we are also resuming the construction of that 160 not the most recent development date - and the Mi 35 helicopters progressed so much that they lost the retractable landing gear and the maximum speed compared to "24" and the retracted project "object (don't remember - 260?) as the newest fittings, there are many new products :)

[Former battalion commander]

The struggle between "armor and shell" in aviation is flaring up in earnest. My personal opinion is that it is POSSIBLE to create an impenetrable "armor" in this area. If you aim the "armor" at suppressing or disabling the attacker's sighting devices (rocket or aircraft), then the "projectile" will indeed have to take on the appearance of a REGULAR PROTECTION from a cannon ... What are my assumptions based on? We look at how ALL sights are arranged. Objective MUST SEE! What can you see? Nature has given only one way of "seeing", through electromagnetic waves. So it is necessary to have a system for suppressing EM radiation on the protected object: for waves of the light range (UV, visible light, IR), a laser directed directly, roughly speaking, to a rocket or a pilot in the eye, is suitable. For radio waves of the all-wave electronic warfare system. For missiles aimed specifically at radio radiation of the target, effective traps, decoys as described in the article, there are other methods to send such missiles into the heavens. For example: on the basis of radiation interference, or anti-missiles, up to the ejection of nets (like fishing nets in the direction of the attacking missile) ... If the aircraft have become so expensive, then the costs of developing and using "armor" for them are incomparably less ...

[Sotnik77s]

Yes, you have to try and then write, so that there is something to boast about