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US representative to NATO about the strike of the Turkish Air Force aircraft on the Su-24: "It was a sovereign decision of Turkey"

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The US representative to NATO, Douglas Lute, said that Turkey did not coordinate its actions with either Washington or Brussels before attacking the Russian Su-24 bomber. Douglas Lute quotes TASS:


We have been in constant contact with Turkey since the first incident of the violation of its airspace in October. And in this sense, yes, we contacted the Turkish side. However, there was no coordination or joint decisions regarding the incident itself. This was the sovereign decision of Turkey. Neither the United States nor NATO had anything to do with it.


US representative to NATO about the strike of the Turkish Air Force aircraft on the Su-24: "It was a sovereign decision of Turkey"


Meanwhile, the President of Ukraine Poroshenko and the head of the European Council Donald Tusk held their meeting on the “fields” of the so-called “climate” summit in Paris. Apparently, the “climate” theme did not seem interesting to either one, and therefore the main part of the conversation was devoted to Russia. First, Poroshenko announced that he was proposing that the EU extend sanctions against the Russian Federation, since “Russia does not comply with the obligations to fulfill the Minsk agreements”. And then, on Twitter, the press secretary Poroshenko Svyatoslav Tsegolko wrote that the ukropresident and the head of the European Council "agreed that Russia in Syria creates more problems than it helps to solve them."

Here, Tsegolko clearly missed at least a few words - it creates problems for the “Turkish authorities”. Indeed, Russia creates problems for Turkish officials, who have turned the war in Syria into an instrument of their own earnings through the use of controlled groups. In this case, the task of Russia is to continue to create problems for all those who are used to feeding with the use of pocket terrorists and bring their mission to a victorious end.
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  1. Persistent
    Persistent 30 November 2015 17: 43 New
    37
    Erdogan does not want to apologize for the incident with the plane and believes that Russia should apologize ...
    I also think that Russians should and are even obliged to apologize to Erdogan. Just write on missiles and bombs: “Forgive us, Erdogan” ...
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 30 November 2015 17: 45 New
      48
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/813/jatz632.png

      We are ready to apologize only in this form !!!
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 30 November 2015 18: 00 New
        10
        Signature:
        But this is our SOVEREIGN decision!
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 30 November 2015 18: 27 New
        +8
        US representative to NATO regarding the strike of the Turkish Air Force aircraft on the Su-24: "It was sovereign Turkey decision "

        For which Turkey should also SOVEREIGNLY, without NATO help, and answer! am
      3. Kachkanar
        Kachkanar 30 November 2015 18: 34 New
        14
        On the Look they write ...
      4. bronik
        bronik 30 November 2015 18: 39 New
        23
        Someone's quote:
        In the history of Russian-Turkish relations, Suvorov was still the best diplomat ..
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 December 2015 00: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: bronik
          Someone's quote:
          In the history of Russian-Turkish relations, Suvorov was still the best diplomat ..

          I know even better, Admiral Ushakov! That's who drove them all over the Black Sea, like dogs not cut, and not only across the Black!
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    3. KAV
      KAV 30 November 2015 17: 48 New
      26
      Bgg! Once again, the "owner" denies the actions of the "doll" and merges it. It's fine!
      1. Patriot 1
        Patriot 1 30 November 2015 17: 53 New
        +8
        Of course they did not coordinate their actions! They just completed the tactical development of the United States, but at the same time went well. Now they are being poured
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 30 November 2015 18: 59 New
          +7
          that Russia in Syria creates more problems than helps to solve them. ”
          -------------------------------------------------- ----------------------
          Russia, in their opinion, creates problems in everything, and first of all by the fact that it simply exists on the world map.
          ... It’s your fault that I want to eat ...
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 December 2015 00: 35 New
          0
          Quote: Patriot 1
          Of course they did not coordinate their actions! They just completed the tactical development of the United States, but at the same time went well. Now they are being poured

          Well, yes, they are draining, ON THE CAMERA! But in fact, NATO Secretary General said that like all members of the organization are in solidarity with Turkey and agree with its evidence and explanations! On the news showed this goose!
          Such things guys .. Nata tells tales to the public. So do not relax. Friends do not give Erdogan from Nata, apparently sharing with anyone! Scoundrel!
      2. kostiknet
        kostiknet 30 November 2015 17: 55 New
        +8
        Quote: KAV
        It's fine!

        This is a vivid "example of Psakiland's policy" in relation to his vassals ... negative The rest "NATO" should think about the price of such a "defensive alliance"!
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 30 November 2015 18: 24 New
          +1
          Quote: kostiknet
          This is a vivid "example of Psakiland's policy" in relation to his vassals.

          NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg says Russian Su-24 bomber violates Turkish airspace before he was shot down, the correspondent of "Gazeta.Ru".

          “We have our own sources of information, and their data coincides with those provided by Turkey. It was a violation of borders, and this was not the first time, Turkey has the right to protect its airspace and borders, ”Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels.


          According to Stoltenberg, NATO's task is to de-escalate the crisis in Russian-Turkish relations.

          “We must help establish contact between Turkey and Russia in order to avoid a worsening situation,” Stoltenberg emphasized.
        2. cniza
          cniza 30 November 2015 18: 37 New
          +4
          Quote: kostiknet
          Quote: KAV
          It's fine!

          This is a vivid "example of Psakiland's policy" in relation to his vassals ... negative The rest "NATO" should think about the price of such a "defensive alliance"!



          This policy will bring them to trial, then let them think about it.
          1. tehnic
            tehnic 30 November 2015 23: 34 New
            0
            I don’t understand! What are you writing about? Who will judge them? You are probably a lawyer, so write about a mythical court. I understand this from your profession. Judge, punish and pardon them will be the winner. Hope we are. And if not us, then God.
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      3. yuriy55
        yuriy55 30 November 2015 17: 57 New
        +6
        Bgg! Once again, the "master" renounces the actions of the "doll" and merges it. It's fine!


        A fairy tale is a lie, but a hint in it! Turk-ukro-well done lesson! fool
      4. 79807420129
        79807420129 30 November 2015 18: 08 New
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        Quote: KAV
        Bgg! Once again, the "owner" denies the actions of the "doll" and merges it. It's fine!

        They are disowning themselves, trying to whiten themselves, as they are smeared too, and they will not stop spoiling anyway, and Erdogan, by the way, is tired of everyone, but he keeps Faberge blackmailing refugees for Europe, the owner of dill Biden said about the connection with ISIS Eriden last year, but Erdoогan mattresses He promised to raise the rent for the Incirlik military base and Biden shut up, and now Erdogan missed shooting down SU 24 over Syrian rather than Turkish territory, putting the mattresses in an uncomfortable position, they are forced to make excuses, but they do not like this.
        1. tehnic
          tehnic 30 November 2015 23: 48 New
          0
          I am sure the United States and Turkey are tied to this matter. Other NATO members are possible, but most likely did not know about it. And remember our dead submarine / KURSK / and how after that I don’t remember exactly, the roofing felts in Norway, the roofing felts in England a damaged American submarine arrived for urgent repair. In black deeds, the customer and the contractor always work. If there is also a mediator, failure is inevitable.
      5. self-propelled
        self-propelled 30 November 2015 18: 30 New
        0
        Quote: KAV
        US Representative to NATO on Turkish Air Force attack on Su-24: "It was a sovereign decision of Turkey"

        crying crying crying crying crying
        Well, I’m washing my face with tears, I can’t write. how can a hand work independently of the body (and brain) belay
        gentlemen USovtsy, stop pouring. all the same, nobody really believes you (the fact that you are being "licked" for your green fantasies is true and not true)
      6. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 18: 37 New
        +3
        Quote: KAV
        Bgg! Once again, the "owner" denies the actions of the "doll" and merges it.

        This is the 5 clause, that is, the article, of the NATO Charter! Let the Hawala ...
        1. tehnic
          tehnic 30 November 2015 23: 52 New
          0
          A good visual lesson to INFANTS!
      7. sssla
        sssla 30 November 2015 19: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: KAV
        Once again, the "owner" denies the actions of the "doll" and merges it. It's fine!

        And what is beautiful ????? There’s nothing to bring down a plane, mattresses, but how to get in the face of Turkey from Russia for the cause, so immediately the mattresses will have to do with it !! Do not relax your rolls !!
      8. Al_oriso
        Al_oriso 1 December 2015 03: 50 New
        0
        Nevertheless, NATO recognized the actions of Turkey as legitimate, that is, stroked Erdogan on the head (on the same one). Now he boldly says, "I will continue to do so." He is in ecstasy - he has served everyone.
    4. Major Yurik
      Major Yurik 30 November 2015 18: 08 New
      +5
      The American representative to NATO Douglas Lute said that Turkey did not coordinate its actions with either Washington or Brussels before striking at the Russian Su-24 bomber.

      Well, don’t hesitate to pour this Douglas, and to hell with his opinion!
      And as always, the topic is ecology, yeah, but Russia is to blame, their volcano is smoking in Kamchatka, and the ecology is ecologically friendly! In general, Ukrainians found a new niche in the export of their goods - the title of “Hero of Ukraine”. It is awarded to any de.bill who committed a terrorist attack or flaunted Russia, in the crest of understanding, for the benefit of dill. Like, de.bills of all stripes, unite under the banners of hohlobanderii, and then the ranks are thinning, and happiness is all nem and nem! fool
      1. fif21
        fif21 30 November 2015 18: 36 New
        +4
        [quote = Major Yurik] The American representative to NATO Douglas Lute said that Turkey did not coordinate its actions with either Washington or Brussels before launching an attack on the Russian Su-24 bomber. A hot war with a nuclear country, without a chance to stay alive, NATO is not needed. The collapse of Russia is planned in a peaceful way — the economy and the opposition, and the “elite” not strangely loyal to the West. They do not wait for the second Gorbachev or Yeltsin. The fact that Russia stepped on the Faberge of Turkey and personally Erdogan is a fact. So that SU is still a flower, there will be other provocations, but only if the Turks sense weakness on the part of Russia.
        1. machinistvl
          machinistvl 30 November 2015 22: 51 New
          +1
          Quite right, you can’t give slack, they’ll immediately sit on your head! It is necessary to act decisively, but carefully weighing everything. soldier
    5. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2015 18: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Persistent
      Erdogan does not want to apologize for the incident with the plane and believes that Russia should apologize ...
      I also think that Russians should and are even obliged to apologize to Erdogan. Just write on missiles and bombs: “Forgive us, Erdogan” ..

      The Fox News info slipped today that Turkey from today closes the Black Sea straits controlled by it for all Russian military vessels.
      I think our missiles will be the most “polite” apology and the key to these straits!
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 30 November 2015 20: 31 New
        0
        The Fox News info slipped today that Turkey from today closes the Black Sea straits controlled by it for all Russian military vessels.
        I think our missiles will be the most "polite" apology and the key to these straits! [/ Quote]
        I would like to know the motivation for the legality of overlapping straits. Are we already at war, as with Ukrogabon?
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 22: 12 New
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        info on Fox News, that Turkey today closes the Black Sea straits controlled by it for all Russian military vessels.

        Fox News - the boulevard is still. And if they say tomorrow that Russia declared war on America, they will not even be believed in America. This is so, anyhow blurt out, maybe someone will turn his head ... And closing the straits is a war. And then, I think, we will find other than a tomato, tourists and migrant workers ways to influence the Janissary ... I think the usual stuffing, although I do not exclude that it is carefully controlled by the relevant services. After all, it is no secret to anyone how the “freest and most democratic media in the world” are controlled.

        By the way, I remind you that mother and daughter from Ossetia, who tried to say who started the 08.08.08 war and who were rudely shut up by advertising - were on Fox News ... Here they have such free media ... This is not our "Putin propaganda", thanks to which a whole flock of visiting clicks and our liberals are wandering from talk shows to the talking room ...
      3. tehnic
        tehnic 1 December 2015 00: 27 New
        0
        If it is true. And I doubt it. It’s more profitable for us to block the exit from the strait, for example, to sketch a min. Then we cut off the southern countries of NATO from any assistance. Not a single ship of the USA, NATO will enter the Black Sea. NATO's southern flank will be cut off from aid by sea. Romania, Georgia, Ukraine, Bulgaria, partially Turkey will be blocked from the sea. And to put things in order in the small sea is a matter of technology. And we will get to Syria through Iran and the Caspian. I remember the Suez Canal was also mined, so then we trawled it for 10 years and helped to clear it.
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 30 November 2015 18: 34 New
      0
      Poroshenko’s spokeswoman Svyatoslav Tsegolko tweeted that the Ukropresident and the head of the European Council “agreed that Russia creates more problems in Syria than it helps to solve them.”

      Shavye does not miss the moment to spoil us. Well, nothing, and it will come to you! angry
    7. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 19: 13 New
      +3
      "It was a sovereign decision" !!!!!!
      Americans hint that Turkish sovereignty is dangerous? Yes. Erdogan seems to have very badly tricked his patrons into his pants.
    8. Finches
      Finches 30 November 2015 19: 13 New
      +3
      I am also waiting for the sovereign decision of Russia with regard to Turkey ...! But with regard to Ukraine, I did not wait ........ Alas!
      1. tehnic
        tehnic 1 December 2015 00: 32 New
        0
        So they are children! Let not grow up much! We will wait.
    9. Tor5
      Tor5 30 November 2015 19: 31 New
      +2
      Well, what nevertheless vile little people ....
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    11. Alexey Boukin
      Alexey Boukin 30 November 2015 23: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Persistent
      It was a sovereign decision of Turkey. Neither the US nor NATO had anything to do with it.

      What kind of "Turkish sovereignty" can we talk about? Some kind of circus ...
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  2. Altona
    Altona 30 November 2015 17: 46 New
    +5
    For some reason, such a demonstrative excuse convinces the opposite. The initiators of the attack were the United States.
    PS Even as an unsuccessful attempt, such a jamb gives the United States new trump cards in terms of pressure on Turkey ...
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 30 November 2015 17: 53 New
      +4
      Quote: Altona
      Even as an unsuccessful attempt, such a jamb gives the United States new trump cards in terms of pressure on Turkey ...

      During the speech of the heads of state at the UN ... who just didn’t flood about anything .. and about democracy and freedom, and only GDP made a clear statement on the UN ... but what did they talk about with Obamych ?! I think Tryndets like everyone’s overwhelming ... because if they “shake hands”, then the Northern fluffy can come to the EU and Turkey.
      NTV
      17:01
      Putin and Obama talked in Paris for half an hour
      Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama held a bilateral meeting "on the sidelines" of the UN Climate Conference in Paris. The conversation lasted about half an hour. The conversation between the presidents of Russia and the USA in Paris took place behind closed doors, and its content has not yet been disclosed.

      The small results of the negotiations I think will begin to appear in the coming days ...
      I wonder where the wind will blow?
      1. Altona
        Altona 30 November 2015 18: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Scoun
        but what did they talk about with Obamych?

        --------------------------
        They talked about something ... But this does not mean that one needs to think and act linearly ... It's not to play poker and open cards ... Moreover, the game is not over yet and the players at the table are bluffing and raising bets. I think Turkey’s actions are a kind of poker bluff, and Turkey plays against us at the table and you know who you are with the company ...
        1. tehnic
          tehnic 1 December 2015 00: 44 New
          0
          Would be President Khrushchev, a shoe on the table and everything would become clear to everyone. But who is our president? The president is Stirlitz, i.e. Putin! And as one hero from the / Caucasian captive / said - we will not rush, we will wait.
    2. Sterlya
      Sterlya 30 November 2015 17: 55 New
      +8
      Mocked Potroshenko !. He just before the ecology and the climate laughing When the whole outskirts of menopause came almost laughing
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 30 November 2015 18: 03 New
        +3
        Quote: Sterlya
        Mocked Potroshenko !. He just before the ecology and the climate laughing When the whole outskirts of menopause came almost laughing
        He has to do with climate. He probably came on the contrary to ask that countries increase air emissions and then global warming will come faster.
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 November 2015 18: 04 New
      +2
      For some reason, such a demonstrative excuse convinces the opposite. The initiators of the attack were the United States.


      Such a demonstrative "excuse" suggests that some overseas "blew" and simply handed over the Erdogan with giblets for reprisal ... either to his people, or to fanatics-terrorists.

      Beggars US satellites are not needed, but what can Turkey expect? It is unlikely that its economy will rise in the light of recent events ...
  3. olegator
    olegator 30 November 2015 17: 48 New
    +2
    After all, Turkey is a NATO country and all its planes. What is the solution of Turkey.
    1. good7
      good7 30 November 2015 17: 57 New
      +1
      You know. that Greece a NATO member will absolutely disagree with you!
  4. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 30 November 2015 17: 48 New
    +9
    It seems that the phrases “Russia does not comply with the obligations to implement the Minsk agreements” and “Russia in Syria creates more problems than helps to solve them” - from one dictation. And it has long been clear - who is the teacher and who are his students.
  5. Army soldier2
    Army soldier2 30 November 2015 17: 50 New
    11
    Both Poroshenko and Tusk are people with a pronounced inferiority complex. Pull Russophobia from them, and nothing remains. Surrender like a pierced ball.
  6. mikh-korsakov
    mikh-korsakov 30 November 2015 17: 50 New
    +6
    Poroshenko frolics. He is glad that Russia did not flay him, but Erdogan. But you cannot flog all at once. For some reason, it seems to me that the rods for Poroshenko have already been cut, and they are soaked in salt water.
    1. Sterlya
      Sterlya 30 November 2015 17: 59 New
      +7
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Poroshenko frolics. He is glad that Russia did not flay him, but Erdogan. But you cannot flog all at once. For some reason, it seems to me that the rods for Poroshenko have already been cut, and they are soaked in salt water.

      At V. Vysotsky
      You enter the house as
      Anyway, in the tavern
      And the people -
      Every third is an enemy.
      They turn the cheekbone down
      Guest uninvited!
      The image in the corner -
      And those are skewed.
      And started a vague, wonderful conversation,
      Someone moaned and tormented the guitar,
      And an epileptic little priidurk and a thief -
      The knife showed me secretly from under the tablecloth.
      "Who will answer me -
      What kind of house is this
      Why in the dark
      How is the barack plague?
      The light of the lamps went out
      The air poured out ...
      Ali live with you
      Forgotten how?
    2. andr327
      andr327 30 November 2015 18: 14 New
      +2
      I repeat that not everything is so simple.
      Turkey and China, together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, have established a consortium to transport goods from China to Europe, bypassing Russia. The corresponding agreement was signed on November 28 by representatives of major transport and logistics operators in Istanbul. It is reported by Interfax. Within the framework of this project, during 2016 it is planned to transport the first several thousand containers from China to Turkey and Europe through the territory of Georgia. The parties also plan to begin shipping goods through Ukraine to Northern and Eastern Europe next year.
      So Russia has only two allies left ... It’s sad
      1. Sterlya
        Sterlya 30 November 2015 18: 25 New
        +1
        Quote: andr327
        Turkey and China, together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, have established a consortium to transport goods from China to Europe, bypassing Russia. The corresponding agreement was signed on November 28 by representatives of major transport and logistics operators in Istanbul. It is reported by Interfax. Within the framework of this project, during 2016 it is planned to transport the first several thousand containers from China to Turkey and Europe through the territory of Georgia. The parties also plan to begin shipping goods through Ukraine to Northern and Eastern Europe next year.
        So Russia has only two allies left ... It’s sad

        Do not worry. What doesn't kill makes you stronger smile
      2. Alibekulu
        Alibekulu 30 November 2015 18: 44 New
        -1
        Quote: andr327
        Turkey and China, together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, have established a consortium to transport goods from China to Europe, bypassing Russia.
        As it were in Russia, "Plato" Rotenberg, and therefore bypass it nadot, as hell incense ..
        I think the Russian truckers, if possible, lay a route through Kazakhstan. yes
      3. fif21
        fif21 30 November 2015 19: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: andr327
        Turkey and China, together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, have established a consortium to transport goods from China to Europe, bypassing Russia.
        The weak link in this chain is Azerbaijan and the Caspian Sea. So, if you want, the "hand" or "paw" of Moscow will reach these places. While there is no such desire! But it can appear if the interests of Moscow are not taken into account by China and Kazakhstan.
      4. unsinkable
        unsinkable 30 November 2015 20: 26 New
        +1
        recalling the history of relations with China, you come to the conclusion: China does not respect yourself, here I do not understand Putin (I support his actions). Perhaps there is not enough information to understand. This is one side of the coin. On the other hand: China is the only country with which we did not have a full-scale war (only border conflicts) Cheshu rep. what
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      6. Denis DV
        Denis DV 1 December 2015 03: 46 New
        0
        Quote: andr327
        Turkey and China together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia set up a consortium for the transport of goods

        Without Russia, the project will be unprofitable, it will be expensive and long.
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 18: 18 New
      0
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Poroshenko’s rods have already been cut and soaked in salt water.



      The process dragged on for too long ... Either the salt is weak, or something else ...

      PS Poroshenko in his impunity was completely out of hand ...
  7. sever.56
    sever.56 30 November 2015 17: 50 New
    10
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/121/ayyv268.png

    The revolutionary proposal of the "president" -Peti in the fight against global warming !!!
  8. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 30 November 2015 17: 55 New
    11
    Not in vain in Russia they said to a person committing stupid acts - do you understand the Turks? You don’t understand the words?
    The meaning was -turk is d.ura.k.
    (A nightmare to which tolerated moderators have brought, it is impossible to write a Russian word from a dictionary on this resource) What the hell ...
    1. unsinkable
      unsinkable 30 November 2015 20: 35 New
      +1
      hi
      Quote: Mama_Cholli
      (A nightmare to which tolerated moderators have brought, it is impossible to write a Russian word from a dictionary on this resource) What the hell ...

      I agree with you, having seven warnings. Apparently, there are krants. I try to restrain myself, because. interesting here. (sorry colleagues, that is not the topic)
  9. Mr.
    Mr. Fun 30 November 2015 17: 56 New
    +2
    We have been in constant contact with Turkey since the first incident of the violation of its airspace in October. And in this sense, yes, we contacted the Turkish side. However, there was no coordination or joint decisions regarding the incident itself. This was the sovereign decision of Turkey. Neither the United States nor NATO had anything to do with it.

    Very funny joke. Since when did the Turks become so independent that they are ready not afraid to bring down our military side ?! This means that they hung noodles on the ears of the main prik.turk, saying that there will be protection from the mattresses. The thing was done, but the asshole fell off, but they didn’t voice themselves. Took and threw.
    I am surprised. Really, nobody is worried that at any convenient moment, in the future, they will throw anyone. The main contender is, of course, Europe. Now the mustachioed sits and does not know how to get out. Every day some new versions, new facts on the verge of idiocy ... The farther into the forest, the more firewood.
    At first, Poroshenko announced that he was proposing the EU to extend sanctions against Russia, since "Russia does not comply with the obligations to implement the Minsk agreements." And then on Twitter, Poroshenko’s press secretary Svyatoslav Tsegolko wrote that the Ukrainian president and the head of the European Council “agreed that Russia creates more problems in Syria than it helps to solve them.”

    These grunt there. It is necessary to pay attention to yourself. I would have sorted out my problems in the country, rather than grunting slogans from Russia from the stands, a star ...
  10. papanya59
    papanya59 30 November 2015 17: 58 New
    0
    Quote: sever.56
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/813/jatz632.png

    We are ready to apologize only in this form !!!

    Haha! good
  11. Monos
    Monos 30 November 2015 18: 01 New
    +5
    Provoke. They hope to stir up the Russia-Turkey conflict. And they will fit in later. As always.
  12. win
    win 30 November 2015 18: 02 New
    +8
    Syrian army occupied Turkish fortifications at the crash site of Su-24

  13. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 30 November 2015 18: 02 New
    12
    Quote: sever.56
    It was a sovereign decision of Turkey. Neither the US nor NATO had anything to do with it.
    Where what kind of trickery happens, the US tail always sticks out there, if something went wrong, then the “fool” is on
  14. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 30 November 2015 18: 07 New
    +5
    However, there was no coordination or joint decision regarding the incident itself. It was a sovereign decision of Turkey. Neither the US nor NATO had anything to do with it.

    This will be done by completely strangers. And not from our area. (C)
  15. veksha50
    veksha50 30 November 2015 18: 07 New
    +4
    "as regards the incident itself. It was a sovereign decision of Turkey. Neither the US nor NATO had anything to do with it "...

    Who would expect a different answer from you ... I am not me, and the cow, that is, Turkey is not mine ...

    PS And Poroshenko no longer has any problems in his country, except how to discuss the "illegal and harmful" actions of Russia in Syria so close to him ...
  16. viktor561
    viktor561 30 November 2015 18: 09 New
    0
    Well Tsipras said - "Turkish pilots are very nervous" - but seriously - no one believes that the Turks themselves decided on this !!!!
  17. Vikings
    Vikings 30 November 2015 18: 11 New
    +1
    Quote: KAV
    Bgg! Once again & host; host & user; disavows actions & dolls & dolls and drains it. It's fine!

    The owner is trying to show that the doll acted on its own, sung by a napa-chila.
  18. rmmuray
    rmmuray 30 November 2015 18: 14 New
    +2
    such as "deal with them yourself"? if so, then do not be offended then
  19. koksalek
    koksalek 30 November 2015 18: 14 New
    +2
    To whom they tell tales, like we don’t know, babble and apparently adults
  20. Stoler
    Stoler 30 November 2015 18: 20 New
    +3
    The fact that Turekov was framed does not remove guilt from them not like that! Themselves signed up for this case, and they themselves must get the horns !!! am
  21. cap
    cap 30 November 2015 18: 20 New
    0
    Erdogan: ten rams, a Rosenlev refrigerator (imported), and a free ticket to Siberia. laughing
    1. parafoiler
      parafoiler 30 November 2015 18: 44 New
      0
      And a free ticket to him for his own execution.
    2. Junior, I
      Junior, I 30 November 2015 19: 40 New
      0
      Something you promised him a lot!
      Give him a Kylo and let him wave from dawn to dawn.
  22. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 30 November 2015 18: 21 New
    +5
    Douglas Lute stated that Turkey did not coordinate its actions
    But how then can we understand the one-time raising of the American and Saudi AWACS into the air when our SU-24 was shot down? They were there to monitor something or the Turkish F-16s are more perfect than the Amerov’s ones — they can reproduce and issue target designations, like they don’t have available satellites for precise guidance ???!
    1. ty60
      ty60 30 November 2015 18: 54 New
      +1
      But this is a big secret!
  23. beer-youk
    beer-youk 30 November 2015 18: 25 New
    0
    Otkel legs grow up? It is clear to everyone - from the Readings. But they are (according to Zadornov) stupid. If each of us has a connection with Hohland (someone has strings, someone has ropes), then Turkish chocks are centuries-old enemies for us. Think about it, Mess of Flips, if there is anything.
  24. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 30 November 2015 18: 28 New
    +2
    Indeed, Russia is creating problems for Turkish officials who turned the war in Syria into instrument of own earnings through the use of controlled groups. In this case, the task of Russia to continue to create problems for all those who are used to feed using pocket terrorists
    I believe that this is a somewhat superficial look at the problem. Turkey --- a major player in the region and involvement in the "Syrian affairs" has been actively demonstrating from the very beginning of the Arab spring. I consider it a mistake to explain cooperation with the IG only. If you estimate the costs and expenses of investments in the Syrian war, then they outweigh the proceeds of smuggling oil from Turkey. Distribute their sovereignty and influence in the region, cut through and lock on gas and oil from the Persian Gulf, partially solve the "Kurdish question" --- for some reason this is not taken into account by many and the emphasis is on smuggling.
  25. TVM - 75
    TVM - 75 30 November 2015 18: 31 New
    0
    The behavior of this company is at the cost of cheap card cheaters. Dumb and arrogant. Even there is no desire to understand!
  26. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 30 November 2015 18: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: GSH-18
    For which Turkey should also SOVEREIGNLY, without NATO help, and answer!

    Yes, even with the help of NATO, what can they, if they could then consider that the Su-24 violated NATO airspace, their gut is thin.
  27. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 30 November 2015 18: 49 New
    -1
    And what else will he tell a NATO MEMBER no matter how!
  28. NDR-791
    NDR-791 30 November 2015 18: 49 New
    -1
    "It was Turkey's sovereign decision."
    Yes, exactly, this is not a NATO decision, but Turkey. She now and fall into all the holes. Erdogan moved into the category of "eaters of ties." This has already happened in our history. How much did he have under their law to sit there? So this is the maximum. Only three generals arrested ??? A hungry colonels ??? All who did not have the mind to pay attention to the colonels ended badly from the Roman Empire to Nicaragua ...
    1. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 1 December 2015 04: 03 New
      0
      Did Stolberning personally tell you this? And who leaked the info where will the bomber be? And if Turkey was not a member of NATO, they would never have dared to do it. And yes, this is the decision of Turkey, they started and launched a rocket!
  29. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 30 November 2015 18: 50 New
    +5
    It was a sovereign decision of Turkey, adopted in Fashington.
    1. unsinkable
      unsinkable 30 November 2015 20: 44 New
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      It was a sovereign decision of Turkey, adopted in Fashington.

      Short and accurate! good
  30. antiexpert
    antiexpert 30 November 2015 18: 51 New
    0
    paid off ...
    here Erdogan and appreciated the reliability of their partners)))
    1. Junior, I
      Junior, I 30 November 2015 19: 42 New
      0
      Not rated yet!
      It will be a bit later.
  31. EDDI 76
    EDDI 76 30 November 2015 19: 03 New
    0
    Well, if so, then MUDARGAN specifically drained
  32. mamont5
    mamont5 30 November 2015 19: 03 New
    +1
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: KAV
    Bgg! Once again, the "owner" denies the actions of the "doll" and merges it.

    This is the 5 clause, that is, the article, of the NATO Charter! Let the Hawala ...

    So this notorious fifth article is so cleverly written that it allows all NATO members to do (in such cases) what they want. Those. they must support the “affected” member, but ... everyone chooses in what way. Everything is good, you can declare war, you can put a weapon, or you can pat on the shoulder and say "we are mentally with you." Before the "Eastern NATO" only now it begins to reach. Unfortunately, not everyone ...
  33. Mahal Makhalych
    Mahal Makhalych 30 November 2015 19: 06 New
    +1
    Dragged leaked.
    1. SOKOL777
      SOKOL777 1 December 2015 01: 58 New
      0
      Quote: Mahal Makhalych
      Dragged leaked.


      The fact that it was being merged was clear from the very beginning ...

      Now the Turkish aligarchs will begin to calculate the losses from the loss of business in Russia.
      First they will cry and then they will pull themselves together and bang Erdogan.
      In my opinion, a similar "zugunder" is very likely. crying
  34. Yak28
    Yak28 30 November 2015 19: 07 New
    +2
    In one way or another, NATO supports its ally, because our grief the allies in the person of Kazakhstan, Belarus, Tajikistan and other countries that feed at the expense of Russia puff in two holes, and it seems to me that they hate Russia in their hearts and use it
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 30 November 2015 20: 11 New
      +1
      Quote: Yak28
      In one way or another, NATO supports its ally, because our grief the allies in the person of Kazakhstan, Belarus, Tajikistan and other countries that feed at the expense of Russia puff in two holes, and it seems to me that they hate Russia in their hearts and use it

      And what to do ... For the first time or what? Everyone in the booths huddled and was waiting ... But Russia will bend its line!
  35. valton
    valton 30 November 2015 19: 25 New
    +3
    Quote: KAV
    Bgg! Once again, the "owner" denies the actions of the "doll" and merges it. It's fine!


    They always carried out the olitics of the robbers from the high road.
  36. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 30 November 2015 19: 34 New
    +8
    Today is a significant date ... The Ottomans must remember and we will remind them soon!
  37. V.ic
    V.ic 30 November 2015 19: 41 New
    0
    Specifically: I am not, I and not my horse ...
  38. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 30 November 2015 20: 06 New
    +1
    It was a sovereign decision, but the country has not been sovereign for a long time *)
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  40. NeRTT
    NeRTT 30 November 2015 21: 03 New
    0
    Quote: sever.56
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/813/jatz632.png

    We are ready to apologize only in this form !!!

    "PROSTITURITSIA !!" Perdogan and Two-can-not !!! laughing
  41. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 November 2015 21: 13 New
    0
    To find that Turkish muzzle that carried out the order. Or was he already vaccinated against talkativeness with a moderate truncation of the upper extremity of the trunk? The truth about meanness should not be voiced.
  42. Keysi
    Keysi 30 November 2015 21: 35 New
    0
    Read here http://www.fssb.su/foreign-special-services/
  43. EvilLion
    EvilLion 1 December 2015 01: 16 New
    0
    The Turks, the campaign, was sent to.
  44. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 1 December 2015 04: 51 New
    0
    We need to admit that we lied with our next partner and friend, we just can’t understand that in the modern world only the strong and decisive are respected !!! And it’s shitty that we are starting to threaten that we won’t eat their tomatoes and apples !! Is there really not enough mind for more?
  45. press officer
    press officer 1 December 2015 06: 41 New
    0
    Quote: RUSS
    “We have our own sources of information, and their data coincides with those provided by Turkey. It was a violation of borders, and this was not the first time, Turkey has the right to protect its airspace and borders, ”Stoltenberg told reporters in Brussels.



    Source Stoltenberg-social networks. wassat Preferably dill. wassat Everything is as usual. Mattresses have no other data. not for the first time ... because all developments in tracking or detection are only suitable for Hollywood! good