Chess game continues, field - Syria

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There are several players, each has their own interests, but because of these interests, the players unite in alliances and coalitions. Everyone understands that in this game, the moves are calculated slightly ahead. The downing of our military aircraft is one of the moves that have been carefully thought out and planned, these are the data of objective control and the statements of specialists. This action was not executed exactly as it was intended - our plane did not cross the border with Turkey and was shot down over the territory of Syria, but the move was already made and not replayed, therefore everything that was prepared was put to use: this border violations, and 10 warnings for allegedly 17 seconds of flying over Turkish territory.

At first, I thought that Turkey, by virtue of its policy, shot down the plane itself and immediately hid behind NATO (an emergency meeting of NATO on the same day), but further statements by its leaders - “Turkish President Recep Erdogan said he would consider the situation an act of aggression against Turkey’s sovereignty “If a Turkish military aircraft that violated Syria’s airspace is shot down with the help of the Russian anti-aircraft complex,” this indicates their confidence, then they feel supported. Although Turkey’s statements were softened in a few days, due to disagreements within NATO itself (not everyone was aware of the provocations). In my opinion, the basic course of Turkey will not change, especially since this is part of a multi-path process that they did not plan, statements by US representatives (they were aware of) on this incident are proof of that.

In this chess game, terrorist attacks in Paris do not fit for me, because they pushed France towards closer relations with Russia and more realistic and intensive actions against ISIS, which is not in the hands of the coalition led by the USA, which, like Turkey, fought against ISIL only for the media . In my opinion, here the chaos controlled by the states periodically gets out of control. The rest of Europe did not support Paris, it is not clear that someone else would move.

What could happen next if the war in Syria drags on. One of the negative options for us is another provocation from Turkey - their plane knocks down our air defense over the territory of Syria, as they themselves warned, this will be regarded as an act of aggression against the sovereignty of Turkey and in connection with our aggressive behavior the passage of ships of the Russian Federation carrying military goods through the Bosphorus, will be closed. This will greatly complicate the supply of our group in Syria. There is an alternative via Iran and Iraq by land, but we need the northern territories of Syria for this, still under the control of ISIS. Or air travel, which is expensive. Another land variant is via Iran, then by water through the Persian Gulf, the Red Sea, the Suez Canal, Syria, but this is 4-5 times longer than through the Bosphorus. I am sure that our management has calculated this option. Do not forget about the situation in Ukraine, which has nothing but debt and the army, which is openly collected at the borders of the DLNR.

A more favorable scenario is the liquidation of ISIS during the year, the restoration of law and order in the territory of Syria and Iraq, followed by mutually beneficial cooperation between our countries. Europe will force Poroshenko to withdraw the army from the DLNR and start restoring the economy of their country. All live in peace and harmony!
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  1. +1
    2 December 2015 11: 30
    Chaos is chaos because it is impossible to control it 100%. So, they brought in "turbidity" and tried to catch the fish. Often unsuccessful and sometimes unsafe ...
    1. +8
      2 December 2015 11: 32
      If the West holds Erdogan well for Faberge, then we can expect everything. As a result, the winner will be the one whose situation is calculated better and the nerves are stronger. Erdogan is a puppet, the Americans decide everything for him. They have long wanted to make a good "porridge" in the south. Turks and Ukrainians on one front against the Russian Federation.
      1. -1
        2 December 2015 11: 39
        Quote: oleg-gr
        As a result, the one who has the best calculated situation will win
        So the US is trying to calculate!

        Quote: Author
        In this chess game, the terrorist attacks in Paris do not fit in with me, because they pushed France towards rapprochement with Russia and more real and intensive actions against ISIS, which is not in the hands of the coalition led by the USA,
        And it seems to me that this was done so that through France, trying to bring it closer to Russia, try to find out Putin's plans on the battlefield in Syria! Those. so common for them "podlyachom", try to calculate the moves, untangle the tangle, confused themselves!
        1. 0
          2 December 2015 11: 52
          Quote: Baikonur
          But it seems to me that this is done to try to learn through France the plans of Russia on the battlefield in Syria!

          Really our general staff will reveal all the cards to the French, I think they have enough work in Iraq, because DAISH has settled not only in Syria.
          1. 0
            2 December 2015 12: 46
            Of course it won't! I'm talking about TRYING! Draw like a coalition in order to have at least some rights to at least some of our Siri plans, intelligence, within the framework of "joint counteraction to ISIS"!
            And Putin, speaking of the joint counteraction to terrorism, ISIS (Daesh) does not enter into a coalition, even with France, which they tried to anoint us with "JOINT" grief!
        2. +1
          2 December 2015 12: 07
          After your comments, it generally seems that you have nothing to do with Baikonur, but with the army in general. But the wall newspapers apparently succeeded.
          1. 0
            2 December 2015 15: 00
            ..restoring law and order .. Everyone lives in peace and harmony!

            Amen!

            Not on this planet ...
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      2. +1
        2 December 2015 11: 57
        From Perdogan to NATO they make - "Parashevaltsman 2", only the stakes are much higher because Turkey, which is no NATO member, has a half-million army, which in any case is head and shoulders above the "KhuntoVSU", with the BD it can block the Bosphorus Strait, greatly complicating the life support of our Syrian group.
        Rates are rising ...
        1. +2
          2 December 2015 12: 22
          Quote: Now we are free
          From Perdogan to NATO they make - "Parashevaltsman 2", only the stakes are much higher because Turkey, which is no NATO member, has a half-million army, which in any case is head and shoulders above the "KhuntoVSU", with the BD it can block the Bosphorus Strait, greatly complicating the life support of our Syrian group.
          Rates are rising ...


          Turkey is a serious player and Erdogan is not completely controlled by the United States, unpredictable surprises can fly from here.
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      4. 0
        2 December 2015 12: 47
        I think the USA deliberately aggravates the situation. They already feel the loss of the world hegemonic position, they have nothing to lose, so they go all-in to remain the world gendarme.
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    3. +8
      2 December 2015 11: 34
      Peace and harmony are not beneficial for mattresses. Chaos itself did not arise. ISIS did not appear on its own. It will only get worse. Until they sense that they are on the verge of destruction. Until the Turks see their bases broken into rubble, a tactical nuclear or massive conventional strike. GDP acts absolutely rationally, responding economically to military provocation, but the monkeys understand only power. But we are not the USSR, it will be much harder for us.
      1. +3
        2 December 2015 11: 44
        Air-to-air missiles, which began to be hung on Russian Su-34 bombers, will complicate the situation in Syria. This, according to RIA Novosti, was announced at the Pentagon, expressing the hope that the missiles will not be used against the coalition led by the United States.
        “Such systems will further complicate the already difficult situation in the sky over Syria and will not do anything to fight the [Islamic state banned in Russia], which has no air forces,” said department spokeswoman Michelle Baldans.
        Pentagon spokeswoman urged Russia to comply with flight safety memorandum. “We expect ... Russia will not direct these systems against the aircraft of our coalition,” she added.
        http://warfiles.ru/show-101587-pentagon-prizval-rossiyu-ne-primenyat-rakety-vozd
        uh-vozduh-protiv-ssha.html

        How to shoot down our planes, so this will not complicate the situation in the Syrian sky. But when it became dangerous to shoot down our flyers, it would immediately complicate the situation. And against ISIS, it still helps, the Turks will now beware of climbing. Thus, they will not interfere with the destruction of ISIS.
      2. +1
        2 December 2015 11: 58
        Quote: Mitek
        Peace and harmony are not beneficial for mattresses.

        It is not entirely true, you went from the "opposite" but in fact all wars and coups are used to achieve their goals ... war does not stand as an end in itself, the goals are different and war is one of the tools to achieve the goal.

        by the way in the American press ...
        Obama's remarks about a downed Russian plane are characterized by caution in expressions, remarks Foreign Policy commentator John Hudson. The US administration defiantly refrained from alleging that Ankara justifiably shot down the Russian Su-24.

        Washington needs Putin’s help for a diplomatic settlement of the conflict in Syria, therefore he is cautious and not too vehemently blames Russia for the incident with the Su-24. But Turkey is one of the key regional powers and a member of NATO. If America did not support the version of Ankara, it would risk pushing an important ally, explains the author.
        http://inopressa.ru/article/01Dec2015/inotheme/summit_isis_tur.html

        Other experts believe the US has no choice but to try to smooth out the friction. "The planes of Russia and the United States operate in the same airspace. There is too much at stake, we must not allow the US-Russian cooperation to break down because of Erdogan's quarrel with Putin over Syria," said expert Andrew Bowen (Center for the National Interest).
    4. +1
      2 December 2015 12: 04
      The article is about a lot, and about nothing .. Several times repeated banalities and no conclusions .. What rule the USA is that everyone knows that the provocations will continue and Turkey was assured of all kinds of support, and so everyone understands the surprise of the acts in Paris? Why wonder? The next stage of the chaos plan in Europe began to play out there, a critical mass of migrants in France was recruited a long time ago (unlike other countries) and the process has begun .. What should we specifically do? Not a word about this, wishes to be vigilant? It’s banal .. As for me, it’s necessary to prepare for a very large-scale conflict in those parts, to strengthen the military presence in Armenia, to work with Azerbaijan (so that it’s definitely not climbing), but all this is half measures .. These steps have long been calculated by the enemy and invested in scenarios for the development of the situation .. And if the enemy continues to bend his line, then what is happening completely suits him! It is necessary to prepare trump cards for stronger, and most importantly, make it clear to the enemy that their
      will not be put into business not regrettably ..
    5. 0
      2 December 2015 12: 06
      Quote: marlin1203
      Chaos and chaos

      chaos in this case, "controlled" kakbe.

      Here the danger is not even that everything will drag on or the Ottomans will be further pushed under the "Russian rails" to lie down pushing (the last explosions in the Turkish metro).
      Everything is much more complicated, for example -
      report that 1200 people. Bundeswehr will soon appear in Syria. The legitimate and legitimate government of the SAR did not invite and oppose them. BUT! indicating "zaluzhya", according to the paragraphs of the Chancellor-Pact (on the occupation of Germany, where to this day there are more Yankees than the number of Bundes) - they will be sent to fight for the interests of the s. Moreover, they are not going to agree on their plans or inform the combined forces of the SAR and the Russian Federation. 1200 is not 330 thousand. perished at Stalingrad. We'll survive somehow. And the Germans, they say, the knowledgeable, are no longer the same - neither you ordnung, nor order, nor a Nordic character are watching them - for pederast-tolerance has done its job.


      The neocons are atrocious, they need a cataclysm of universal proportions to write off - to nullify debts and remain a hegemon. The point is IMHO!
    6. 0
      2 December 2015 12: 19
      I want to surprise you! Obama administration proclaimed
      thesis Managed Chaos. To overthrow the objectionable United States
      Modes!
  2. +9
    2 December 2015 11: 30
    Playing chess with a boxer in the ring is somehow not productive. I think so.
    1. +3
      2 December 2015 11: 35
      From your commentary I recalled:

      "Do not rush and, most importantly, do not bend over,
      - So the boxer talked to me.
      - Do not go into close combat, work in the corps,
      Remember that your crown is straight. "
      Chess crown honor - on the map,
      - He will not leave defeat:
      We played ten games with Tal
      - In preference, in point and on billiards,
      - Tal said: "This will not let you down!"
      laughing

      And according to the article - Good should be with fists! We will be strong - they will listen to us, no - they will wipe our feet!
      1. +4
        2 December 2015 12: 01
        wassat Vladimir Semenovich is very out of place here.
      2. +1
        2 December 2015 12: 01
        Quote: Finches
        And according to the article -

        And absolutely fantastic scenarios ... [quote the elimination of ISIS within a year, the restoration of law and order in Syria and Iraq, followed by mutually beneficial cooperation between our countries. Europe will force Poroshenko to withdraw the army from the DLNR and begin to restore the economy of his country. Everyone lives in peace and harmony!
  • 0
    2 December 2015 14: 05
    I would add: "Or - a knight's move on the head!" ;)
  • +1
    2 December 2015 11: 37
    Well, from what ... if both boxers play chess.
    1. +1
      2 December 2015 11: 40
      And who is the second boxer ??? In our campaign, chess players come up with a cunning plan)))
    2. 0
      2 December 2015 11: 55
      Quote: Andrea
      Well, from what ... if both boxers play chess.

      They check who has less brains. laughing
  • +5
    2 December 2015 11: 40
    This is Russia playing chess on the chessboard. And Turkey, with the latent approval of the Western countries - in checkers, and even then, "in Chapaev" ...
  • +3
    2 December 2015 11: 46
    Unfortunately, in order to collect thoughts together, some individuals need a strong blow to the head, no other is given, as they are arranged. The Turks, based on many years of history, are just like that. They get into a melon, and for a long time then they can not be heard, and then again. am
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 45
    And in chess?
  • +12
    2 December 2015 11: 33
    due to disagreements in NATO itself (not everyone was aware of the provocation)

    Mass is not necessary to devote in all the nuances.

    A more favorable scenario is the elimination of ISIS within a year, the restoration of law and order in Syria and Iraq, followed by mutually beneficial cooperation between our countries.

    And the most fantastic.
    1. +2
      2 December 2015 11: 42
      I agree ... there the devil will break-who is who. They themselves can not figure it out.
    2. 0
      2 December 2015 12: 27
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Mass is not necessary to devote in all the nuances.
      In the top ten.
  • +3
    2 December 2015 11: 33
    In addition to the land and air supply channels in Syria, there is quite banal Gibraltar. Longer, but at the moment there are no problems with its passage.
    The ban on the passage of Russian ships through the Bosphorus will fit into the fact that war has been declared on us, we will have to act adequately - that is, up to the complete cessation of trade relations with Turkey, primarily on gas supplies. Gazprom will tolerate it somehow (there is a reason to move over in the salary of the leaders), and Turkey will begin to face quite real problems.
    1. 0
      2 December 2015 11: 53
      It is necessary to prepare and publicly publish a plan of action for Russia in blocking the Bosphorus (so that they know it is time to start to be afraid). And plans, such as not at the door, but at the window, categorically will not work here.
  • +3
    2 December 2015 11: 34
    Here the Turkish president immediately warned us that they would consider the downing of an airplane an act of aggression. And ours all want to beg forgiveness from them for su24.
    1. 0
      2 December 2015 11: 49
      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      Here the Turkish president immediately warned us that they would consider the downing of an airplane an act of aggression. And ours all want to beg forgiveness from them for su24.

      GDP is trying to gain time, and therefore does not make any sudden movements; vigilance must be put to sleep. I do not remember verbatim in the treatise of Su Tzu, but the meaning is this: if you lose in a secret place, try to buy time.
    2. 0
      2 December 2015 11: 53
      remember 1982, the Falklands. Argentina was not afraid to enter into conflict with England for their own! None of NATO harnessed. They only on paper that they should help according to the charter. In fact, no one will help. Argentina was three times weaker than the Britons but they have the courage .and then what? Well, whine on about sanctions against Turkey, maybe the Russians will have fewer Turkish underpants. And the authority is not the same as it was before. .
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 14: 07
        I wrote about Argentina, which did not shy away, and I answered something like: "Oh, we are afraid, we are afraid"))))
  • 0
    2 December 2015 11: 37
    A more favorable scenario is the elimination of ISIS during the year

    Well, let's remove ISIS, the enemies will come up with another gang with a different abbreviation. We forget that their financial difficulties have not gone away and they are always forced to come up with some other nasty thing.
  • -16
    2 December 2015 11: 39
    Three quarters of Russians (75 percent) believe that Russia needs to build relations with the United States and other Western countries. This is evidenced by a survey of the Levada Center, reports Interfax. only here the unfortunate patriots all think that the opinion of the people on this site is correct! forward Russia, albeit in the minefield!
    1. +1
      2 December 2015 11: 47
      You somehow do not interpret these 75 percent. If on an equal basis, then yes, if they tell us and break up then 90 percent are against.
      1. 0
        2 December 2015 12: 22
        read carefully who interprets !!! I reposted.
        1. +1
          2 December 2015 12: 31
          I read it. Poll by the Levada Center. You explain it and I explain it by the president's rating
    2. 0
      2 December 2015 11: 49
      The USA and other podpin_dosniki are the historical enemies of Russia, and no peaceful coexistence between us is possible. Either we are them, or they are us. True, the third option is also possible - the separation of spheres of influence and categorical non-interference in each other’s affairs ..
    3. +1
      2 December 2015 12: 01
      You can link? How can you build relationships with those who put forward an ultimatum for an ultimatum?
    4. 0
      2 December 2015 12: 05
      Quote: DOMINO100
      Three quarters of Russians (75 percent) believe that Russia needs to build relations with the United States and other Western countries. This is evidenced by a survey of the Levada Center, reports Interfax. only here the unfortunate patriots all think that the opinion of the people on this site is correct! forward Russia, albeit in the minefield!

      Establish yes, but not at the cost of satisfying all their whims, if someone decided to grovel in front of them, then take off your pants. am
    5. Darkoff
      -1
      2 December 2015 12: 09
      I am also FOR, but not at the cost of my own sovereignty.
      Conflicts of national interests will always be. And here the balance is important. Compare the appetites of the United States and the Russian Federation, then it will become obvious who is clearly overdoing it.
  • +1
    2 December 2015 11: 40
    Actually, the ships go, rather than go. The article from the series would only be written, and the closure of the straits for us is automatically a declaration of war, with all that it implies.
  • +1
    2 December 2015 11: 41
    Question to the author: "What did you want to write about?"
  • +3
    2 December 2015 11: 42
    A more favorable scenario is the elimination of ISIS within a year, the restoration of law and order in Syria.
    I think that those who have invested so much in this adventure will not allow even after the defeat of the Islamic State (it still needs to be defeated), it’s so simple to break into a peaceful life, not for that they started all this. It is necessary to prepare both morally and financially for a long hard work , and this, if these ghouls do not dare to direct aggression and occupation of Syria, in general, seriously give GOD a ball so that those who will be engaged in this will have enough qualifications, professionalism, patience and resources.
  • +1
    2 December 2015 11: 46
    The end of the publication is some kind of Christmas fairy tale ... I would like to think more seriously. After all, what is typical for most of this kind of authors in their reflections (fabrications) there are some reference points, for example: "They will block the Bosphorus and we will have a kirdyk." If Russia has taken it seriously, then we have one wonderful action that should be warned about all kinds of partners. If you drive on and get a radioactive desert, let anyone who wants to try.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 11: 53
    the elimination of ISIS within a year, the restoration of law and order on the territory of Syria and Iraq, followed by mutually beneficial cooperation between our countries. Europe will force Poroshenko to withdraw the army from the DLNR and begin to restore the economy of his country. Everyone lives in peace and harmony!

    And in the most interesting place, the author woke up. And I thought - it’s a pity that this is a dream.
  • -1
    2 December 2015 11: 53
    Not tired of aggravating the situation with shouts of "Turkey will close the Bosphorus for Russia !!!"?
    This is possible if Turkey declares war on Russia. Are they that frostbitten?

    In the case of an unlawful ban, what will prevent Russia from breaking the law and ignoring the ban?
    I would like to see how the Turks decide to attack the ships of the Russian Navy, posing as an aggressor in front of the whole world.
    1. 0
      2 December 2015 12: 07
      We thought so about airplanes ... now the tomato-tourist war. And we can still ban fish and nuts!
  • 0
    2 December 2015 11: 55
    In this chess game terrorist attacks in Paris do not fit for me, because they pushed France towards rapprochement with Russia...

    yes nifiga they did not push anyone. The only goal is to untie the hands of the coalition and, without the consent of the SAR government, start bombing objects + ground operations !!!! First France, then Britain got in, now the media are already writing about the participation of the FRG. Where there will be NATO soldiers in SAR, we cannot bomb that territory !!! Now ask yourself the question: "Where will NATO soldiers operate?" I believe that in the north of the SAR where there is oil production and the "golden" border with Turkey, because without this border it is problematic to take out stolen oil.
    1. VNK
      0
      2 December 2015 12: 45
      I completely agree with Guktu ... Take 100% of the border with Turkey under control, then ISIS will have its hands tied.
  • +1
    2 December 2015 11: 55
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    what will be considered the downing of an airplane an act of aggression

    And why should we worry about the Turks, we immediately said that we would not fight, so they relaxed.
  • +1
    2 December 2015 11: 56
    author! Did you take chess into your own hands? Not to mention the game. We have already gotten these slogans about the "grandmaster of political sciences". What's in practice? How did Russia respond to Turkey's provocation? The answer is almost nothing. The current "response" of Russia - I am sure - serves only one purpose: to bring down the heat of social tension in society in connection with the death of our citizens in Egypt and Syria. They threw us a gnawed bone (the so-called "counter-sanctions") so that we (the common people) would not consider this government to the end as corrupt and unprincipled. negative
  • 0
    2 December 2015 11: 57
    In this chess game, the terrorist attacks in Paris do not fit in with me, because they pushed France towards rapprochement with Russia and more real and intensive actions against ISIS, which is not in the hands of the coalition led by the USA,

    If only this is not a multi-course, in which France is a mishandled Cossack. Indeed, in a joint operation against ISIS, we will be forced to disclose our flight plans and goals for the French military. Who guarantees that in half an hour these plans will not lie on the table of any general in the Pentagon?
  • 0
    2 December 2015 11: 57
    A more favorable scenario is the liquidation of ISIS during the year, the restoration of law and order in the territory of Syria and Iraq, followed by mutually beneficial cooperation between our countries. Europe will force Poroshenko to withdraw the army from the DLNR and start restoring the economy of their country. All live in peace and harmony!

    winked Dreaming is not harmful! Harmful - do not dream!

    It seems to me too optimistic! request
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 00
    next year presidential elections in the usa, I don’t think that Obama will now decide on desperate actions in Syria, he is cowardly by nature, no one expected sharp movements from France, but the terrorist attacks in France did their job, now the rest of the "greyhounds" from NATO have also decided rush to Syria for their share of the oil pie and to participate in the edifying flogging of Syria and the change of the government of B. Assad ...
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 00
    their plane hits our air defense ...
    --------------------------------
    This is where I didn’t understand who was knocking whom? :-)
    Execution cannot be pardoned :-)
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 00
    The rest of Europe did not support Paris, it is not visible that anyone else would stir.


    According to the media, as if the nemchura wanted to "take part", and the Angles are up to something similar.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 01
    Having shot down our plane in the sky of Syria, Turkey (USA, NATO) pursued several goals: to show its participation in the conflict and the goals that Russia needs to be reckoned with. Checking the leadership of Russia on the determination of pursuing a foreign policy in response to a military threat.
    NATO countries openly supporting Turkey and not closing borders, hoping to translate the Syrian conflict into a long-term sluggish in order to let Russia get stuck.
    France suffered from terrorist attacks due to its "too independent of the US" policy, independently bombing ISIS and flirting with Russia, for which it actually received a massacre on the streets of Paris.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 03
    Regrettably it sounds, but the war with ISIS in Syria has grown into a NATO war with Russia in Syria, whose territory has become a testing ground for this. Militants are a pawn that made its move by luring out heavy troops.
    The one who turns out to be trickier and more agile will win.
  • Riv
    0
    2 December 2015 12: 07
    "Europe will force" ... The author is an optimist here. I would even say: a dreamer. :)
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 09
    One of the negative options for us - another provocation from Turkey - their plane shots down our air defense over the territory of Syria

    In 2008, the West decided to try Russia by attacking Ossetia, but Russia answered and defeated the aggressor. Then the West tried in Ukraine and Russia answered (where it is openly connecting Crimea and where it is hidden through the South-East).
    Now the West has launched an open attack on Russia through one of its NATO countries and Russia has not responded openly (restrictions on goods are not an answer) and it is not known whether the hidden answer will be.

    Imagine for a moment this dynamic:

    Turkish planes again fly into the border airspace of Syria, but Russia does not shoot them down, Turkish planes start bombing the Syrian army in the border areas of Syria, and Russia does not shoot them down, the Syrian army is drained of blood and the militants are advancing (then the US will say "I swear by my mother, they are all moderate").

    Russia has only one chance in this war is to choose the tactics of the Americans and eliminate the threat with the wrong hands. For this, the Syrian army needs literally the most modern weapons (air defense missile systems, air defense systems, etc.). Raise the problem of the Kurds and start supplying them with weapons.

    Russia in Syria has nowhere to retreat unlike the United States for which it is one of the chessboards on which they play.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 10
    without a strong rear there will be no Victory. And what is our rear with the economy collapsed by the liberals.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 11
    Chess game. It is said too much, on our part it is more like checkers.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 18
    Does it seem that everyone is going to fight? Each with a combat keyboard on the combat couch waves a saber to the sound of a signal horn "Attack!" Cool it, people. Ancient wisdom says: "A true warrior is the one who solves the tasks of war without engaging in battle!" Erdogan, Poroshenko, Kachyinsky, Merkel, Hollande and other leaders of a number of countries are some of the heads of the huge anti-Russian hydra. The root is not there. It is necessary to define unequivocally with the "mask" of the enemy, draw up a plan and implement it. It couldn't be easier :) ... and there is nothing more complicated. Dialectical materialism is the principle of the unity and struggle of opposites.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 12: 24
    "passage of Russian ships through the Bosphorus" ?? interesting expression from the author ...
  • +1
    2 December 2015 12: 58
    In the late 70s, Turkey announced that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union. To this statement, comrade Gromyko told American reporters at a cocktail party in the White House: “For passage to the Mediterranean, the USSR’s Black Sea Fleet
    it will take only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result
    this will appear two more passes in the Mediterranean, but alas, there will be no Istanbul. ”
    After these words, Turkey no longer raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to warships of the USSR
  • +1
    2 December 2015 12: 59
    Amers need stupid chaos and that’s the only way to support the dollar, so why don’t all sensible countries get together and have a mess (easy), but all countries are tied to the dollar and stupidly wait and play this ping pong ...
  • 0
    2 December 2015 13: 16
    At one time, the Americans asked A.A. Gromyko what would happen if Turkey closes the straits? To this, Gromyko replied that there would be two missile volleys, and there would be two more straits in place of Istanbul
  • 0
    2 December 2015 14: 05
    Quote: smith7
    It seems that everyone was going to fight?


    are we ready for war or not ready no one will ask us. The war comes and there are two options
    1) either "chest with crosses"
    2) either "head in the bushes"

    Russia only left the battlefield in the 90s and how the Americans smacked us (we believe that given the dead and unborn, we lost about 20 million people). In the 90s, we lost almost entirely industry and agriculture.

    The 90s for Russia were worse than the Second World War.

    Now, if we leave the battlefield, the West will arrange for us genocide and completely make slaves.
  • 0
    2 December 2015 14: 40
    Everyone lives in peace and harmony!

    Until China and Russia put the United States in an interesting elbow-elbow position, there will be no peace and harmony.
  • "Right Sector" (banned in Russia), "Ukrainian Insurgent Army" (UPA) (banned in Russia), ISIS (banned in Russia), "Jabhat Fatah al-Sham" formerly "Jabhat al-Nusra" (banned in Russia) , Taliban (banned in Russia), Al-Qaeda (banned in Russia), Anti-Corruption Foundation (banned in Russia), Navalny Headquarters (banned in Russia), Facebook (banned in Russia), Instagram (banned in Russia), Meta (banned in Russia), Misanthropic Division (banned in Russia), Azov (banned in Russia), Muslim Brotherhood (banned in Russia), Aum Shinrikyo (banned in Russia), AUE (banned in Russia), UNA-UNSO (banned in Russia), Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People (banned in Russia), Legion “Freedom of Russia” (armed formation, recognized as terrorist in the Russian Federation and banned)

    “Non-profit organizations, unregistered public associations or individuals performing the functions of a foreign agent,” as well as media outlets performing the functions of a foreign agent: “Medusa”; "Voice of America"; "Realities"; "Present time"; "Radio Freedom"; Ponomarev; Savitskaya; Markelov; Kamalyagin; Apakhonchich; Makarevich; Dud; Gordon; Zhdanov; Medvedev; Fedorov; "Owl"; "Alliance of Doctors"; "RKK" "Levada Center"; "Memorial"; "Voice"; "Person and law"; "Rain"; "Mediazone"; "Deutsche Welle"; QMS "Caucasian Knot"; "Insider"; "New Newspaper"