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Logic Davutoglu: We will not apologize to Russia, we will expect a review of the prohibitive measures from Russia ...

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A few days after the Turkish Air Force attacked the Russian Su-24, NATO finally decided on the official position on this issue. However, the “official position” touched, for some reason, not NATO itself, but its “allies”. The Secretary General of the North Atlantic military bloc, Jens Stoltenberg, stated that "all NATO allies unanimously supported Turkey’s right to defend its borders." It is reported by the news agency Reuters. And how is the defense of the Turkish borders connected with the invasion of the Turkish Air Force into the airspace of another state without the appropriate sanctions of the UN Security Council and the permission of the authorities of this state? ..


Stoltenberg said the need to develop some kind of mechanism that would avoid incidents like the one that happened to the Russian bomber, shot down by fighter-interceptors of the Turkish Air Force. Apparently, the mechanism of exchange of flight data, coordination with the so-called “American coalition”, the presence of a special communication line, established long before the attack on the Su-24 between Moscow and Ankara, is not such a mechanism, according to the NATO Secretary General. Well, if they are not, then let C-400 “Triumph” become such a mechanism ...

Meanwhile, Turkish Prime Minister Davutoglu once again stated that Ankara is not going to bring any apologies to Russia. At the same time, Davutoglu speaks of "the hope of revising the measures taken by Russia against Turkey in connection with the incident with Su-24." The logic of the Turkish authorities, apparently, is amazing ...

Logic Davutoglu: We will not apologize to Russia, we will expect a review of the prohibitive measures from Russia ...


It should be noted that Syrian President Bashar Asad said that Syrian intelligence has data on the increase in the funding of terrorist groups from a number of foreign countries. During the meeting with the representative of the Iranian authorities in Damascus, Assad noted that "some countries hostile to Syria are trying to escalate the situation, seeing that the Syrian army liberates more and more new territories with the support of Russia and Iran." The representative of the Iranian authorities, writes SANA He promised that Iran will continue to support Syria in its "fateful opposition to terrorists."
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  1. Vend
    Vend 30 November 2015 14: 52
    33
    Logic Davutoglu: We will not apologize to Russia, we are looking forward to revising the prohibition measures from Russia
    Inadequate for himself. Looks like a mattress brain disease is contagious. Transmitted through a handshake
    1. sannych
      sannych 30 November 2015 14: 53
      172
      What about us? Ukraine and Turkey are twin brothers.
      1. jjj
        jjj 30 November 2015 14: 56
        35
        In Ukraine, things stalled, and the West urgently activated the Turkish option to contain Russia
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        2. cniza
          cniza 30 November 2015 15: 16
          20
          Quote: jjj
          In Ukraine, things stalled, and the West urgently activated the Turkish option to contain Russia



          Not there so if only to ruin Russia. The USA has a dream to make a hostile zone around Russia with constant conflicts and sluggish hostilities.
          1. good7
            good7 30 November 2015 16: 19
            +9
            Actually, there "Turkey" collected money in special stalls to finance the war in Chechnya
            1. sherp2015
              sherp2015 30 November 2015 17: 41
              +4
              Quote: good7
              Actually, there "Turkey" collected money in special stalls to finance the war in Chechnya

              90%, Turkish businessmen are informants of special services including MIT
              1. brat
                brat 30 November 2015 17: 53
                +3
                among different nationalities there are good and bad. but Turks are Turks they are corrupt.
          2. Reserve officer
            Reserve officer 30 November 2015 16: 30
            17
            "Davutoglu talks about hope for a review of the measures taken by Russia against Turkey in connection with the incident with the Su-24"

            Of course there will be a revision of measures. Only in the direction of tightening, this all goes.
            Turkey is something very similar to the insolent man who trampled the floor with dirty boots and wants the landlord to clean these boots himself. But somehow he doesn’t think that he can tear off his legs with his boots.
            1. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 30 November 2015 18: 15
              +1
              First, we will bring down a couple of Turkish letaks over Syria, and then maybe we will think about easing economic sanctions and if we promise not to fly into Syrian territory
            2. Werterex
              Werterex 1 December 2015 13: 50
              +5
              Cheap forwarding? Or...
          3. Alexey Boukin
            Alexey Boukin 30 November 2015 16: 33
            10
            Quote: cniza
            Logic Davutoglu: We will not apologize to Russia, we will expect a review of the prohibitive measures from Russia ...

            Something of logic in this statement is not visible. But impudence and hopes for impunity are obvious!
          4. KAV
            KAV 30 November 2015 16: 46
            +3
            Well, I must say, the Turk turned out to be more decisive than his "brothers". Although ... Kakli is also not bastard ... shooting down a passenger plane ...
            Both those and others acted stealthily! Behind ... For obviously unarmed target ...
          5. brat
            brat 30 November 2015 17: 50
            0
            don't be angry.
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        4. Rostov Papa
          Rostov Papa 30 November 2015 16: 00
          38

          The parable of the stupid Turkish boy.

          - Hey boy, come here.
          - What for?
          - Go get the candy.
          - Thank.
          - Do you want another one?
          - Want.
          - See the uncle who drives the bandits?
          - I see.
          - Take the stone, stand on the sidelines, and when the uncle runs after you to get the bandit - throw a stone at his head - do you get it?
          - I’ll get it.
          - Well done, do it - I'll give another candy.
          - A kilogram.
          - What is a kilogram?
          - Candy.
          - Wow, you tomboy!
          - Half ahead.
          - Okay, hold a pound, the rest later.
          - And if the uncle beat me?
          “He won’t beat, good uncle.”
          - And if the uncle gets angry?
          “You say you defended yourself.”
          - And if he does not believe?
          - And here we will confirm.
          - And you do not deceive?
          - Honestly!
          - Why is this necessary?
          - Do it - you will see.
          The boy runs to take a position.
          Uncle eats candy:
          - Sorry for the kid. He was a good kid. Only very stupid.
          1. brat
            brat 30 November 2015 18: 02
            +2
            this boy rules in Turkey, and having matured has learned a lot and sees himself as the ruler of the Ottoman Empire, in which his shaitans will put things in order against which the whole rational world and all religions rally.
            1. Nosgoth
              Nosgoth 1 December 2015 17: 33
              +1
              Captain Evidence Are you this?
      2. Proxima
        Proxima 30 November 2015 15: 00
        13
        Let's see who will apologize to whom now, when the S-400 "Triumph" with a clear conscience crashes some NATO plane!
        1. Dryuya2
          Dryuya2 30 November 2015 15: 09
          11
          direct transfer
          Speeches by leaders of countries participating in the UN Climate Conference
          1. Baikonur
            Baikonur 30 November 2015 15: 12
            +4
            Quote: Logic of Davutoglu:
            We will not apologize to Russia, we are looking forward to revising the prohibition measures from Russia ...
            Again, about a headshot:
            - I will not apologize, but reconsider your attitude towards me! Actually, I'm good! In vain offended! belay
          2. Scoun
            Scoun 30 November 2015 16: 09
            +4
            Quote: Dryuya2
            Speeches by leaders of countries participating in the UN Climate Conference

            + thanks!
            Very revealing speeches ... who is talking about what .. Obamka about again about democracy ... and the GDP is just on the topic and with specific proposals ... damn not the UN, but a farce, I hope after the break some of the "leaders" will correct their speeches and delete the words in support of "democracy" and "freedom".
          3. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 30 November 2015 17: 44
            10
            President of Lithuania Grybauskaite- "The experience of Lithuania shows that there is no contradiction between the economic growth and environmental protection ... Our emissions have decreased by 25% in the last 56 years and our GDP growth has increased by 30%, so there is no contradiction ... "

            Well, due to what did they get GDP growth there? If a huge number of sources speak of a complete collapse of industry ...
            Well, the emission level was reduced precisely for the same reason ... Although it is possible, as an option, to consider the outflow of Lithuanian citizens ... there is no one to fart in the air, but the emission level has decreased by 56% ...
        2. 73bor
          73bor 30 November 2015 15: 30
          +5
          So they don’t fly. You see how simple it was, you had to put the S-300 in Syria three years ago, and how many conversations it was!
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 16: 50
          +8
          Quote: Proxima
          Let's see who will apologize to whom now, when the S-400 "Triumph" with a clear conscience crashes some NATO plane!

          It’s not even a matter of "whether it will fail or not" ... look deeper. After the sabotage with our bomber, Turkey ensured a guaranteed permanent presence for many years of our military in the Mediterranean, this time, as well as bases with the Russian military on the territory Syria, even after the end of the anti-terrorist operation, turned from temporary to permanent.
          1. 72jora72
            72jora72 1 December 2015 14: 15
            +1
            It’s not even a matter of "whether it will fail or not" ... look deeper. After the sabotage with our bomber, Turkey ensured a guaranteed permanent presence for many years of our military in the Mediterranean, this time, as well as bases with the Russian military on the territory Syria, even after the end of the anti-terrorist operation, turned from temporary to permanent.
            Do you mean that if there were no SU-24 then it would have to be invented?
        4. Sterlya
          Sterlya 30 November 2015 17: 46
          +3
          Quote: Proxima
          Let's see who will apologize to whom now, when the S-400 "Triumph" with a clear conscience crashes some NATO plane!

          It will be a lot of fun lol . But it seems to be.
      3. svetoruss
        svetoruss 30 November 2015 15: 08
        +8
        By inciting Turkey to conflict with Russia, the United States wins anyway. Firstly, because of the rupture of the Turkish-Russian economic relations, and secondly, pushing Russia to help in solving the Kurdish issue, in order to blame the collapse of Turkey on us ... as they say, "and here they are."
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        2. Al_oriso
          Al_oriso 30 November 2015 15: 50
          +3
          The joke is that Russia just does not lose much from the severance of economic relations. May gain more. Too much money went to Turkey forever. And how many jobs will be vacant.
          The gas pipe is only a big loss, but I think that our government has calculated all this.
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 30 November 2015 17: 48
            +1
            Quote: Al_oriso
            The joke is that Russia just does not lose much from the severance of economic relations. May gain more. Too much money went to Turkey forever. And how many jobs will be vacant.
            The gas pipe is only a big loss, but I think that our government has calculated all this.

            I agree, Turkey is beneficial only as a buyer of gas.
          2. Ze Kot
            Ze Kot 1 December 2015 10: 07
            0
            Quote: Al_oriso
            The joke is that Russia just does not lose much from the severance of economic relations. May gain more. Too much money went to Turkey forever. And how many jobs will be vacant.
            The gas pipe is only a big loss, but I think that our government has calculated all this.



            But who has these jobs? Do you think the Russians will go? I doubt it ... Rather, the chebureks will break (Tajiks, Uzbeks) or Ukrainians with Moldovans.

            But with what to replace vegetables \ fruits, textiles? Domestic, unfortunately, is more expensive.
      4. SibSlavRus
        SibSlavRus 30 November 2015 15: 27
        +1
        If a harsh attitude towards the Ottomans is already planned, then the issue of diplomatic relations is still worth considering in the context of the Turkish leadership’s loyalty to international terrorist organizations banned in the Russian Federation.
        Half measures are inappropriate here, as well as "playing to the public".
        1. ProCl
          ProCl 30 November 2015 16: 58
          +1
          Probably, while our tourists are still there, there will be no tough measures ..
      5. sssla
        sssla 30 November 2015 15: 38
        +1
        Quote: sannych
        What about us? Ukraine and Turkey are twin brothers.

        "Official position" NATO - Secretary General of the North Atlantic military bloc Jens Stoltenberg stated that "all NATO allies unanimously supported Turkey's right to defend its borders."

        And what do you think that the euro will be dyed pants in brown ??? GDP is a reasonable person, said one phrase - "If a fight is inevitable, then hit first" - she is the right BUT, a politician and a geopolitician on a global scale, these are not quite comparable to a politician "yard" thing. I will even say this (IMHO) that after of this expression about "Hit first", the mattresses took the words of the Russian president literally and struck first! The first domino bone fell! We are waiting for a chain reaction of domino bones, will it work?
      6. SAXA.SHURA
        SAXA.SHURA 30 November 2015 17: 14
        +3
        Soon there will be nothing to smile when Putin knocks all your teeth out.
    2. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 30 November 2015 14: 54
      12
      Expect. Instead of a review, there will be something ... And do not say that you were not warned. GDP has given a chance for reconciliation. Not used.
      1. cniza
        cniza 30 November 2015 15: 26
        +8
        Quote: oleg-gr
        Expect. Instead of a review, there will be something ... And do not say that you were not warned. GDP has given a chance for reconciliation. Not used.



        They simply overestimated their capabilities, and now they realized that they would have to answer not childishly.
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    4. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 14: 57
      15
      The behavior of Turkish leaders destroys the last hope for their decency.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 30 November 2015 15: 16
        16
        The behavior of Turkish leaders destroys their last hopes decency.


        Do not make me laugh. And in general I’m fucking crazy, what are you talking about !!!? Don’t you see how preparations are proceeding in armed conflict? Words of some sort, logic, decency, hope .... in a normal person with cold brains, everything that happens gives out one mate in his thoughts. It must be feverishly prepared. Europe has already prepared, now compensation will be paid to Erdogan so that a new flow of refugees does not flood.
        1. B.T.V.
          B.T.V. 30 November 2015 15: 41
          +6
          Quote: Asadullah
          Europe has already prepared, now compensation will be paid to Erdogan so that a new flow of refugees does not flood.


          Erdogan will take 3 billion, and on the command "fas" from the State Department will organize a new stream of refugees. Betrayed once, betrayed twice.
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        3. win
          win 1 December 2015 13: 58
          +4
          Don’t you see how preparations are proceeding in armed conflict?


          Here is a "bell" posted by the TV and radio company Zvezda http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201512011254-dv4c.htm

          Moscow has two options in the event that Ankara closes the passage of the Russian ships through the Bosphorus and Dardanelles: to submit or to attract the Navy, which means the beginning of the war. This opinion was expressed by Anatoly Kuznetsov, editor-in-chief of the Sea News of Russia publishing house, in an interview with Zvezda television channel.

          “There was a situation on the Bosphorus that could have been predicted for a long time: historically, Turkey has always tried to control it in its own interests, while violating international conventions. For example, the 1936 Montreux Convention states that the Bosporus and Dardanelles are international highways that do not belong to the jurisdiction of any country, there is a free shipping zone, ”said Kuznetsov.

          “If Turkey closes the straits by its willful decision, Russia has two ways: the first is to obey and wait until they are allowed, but at the same time understand that they are violating international law, or to attract the Navy and move in opposition to the decisions of the Turks. But this means the beginning of hostilities, the beginning of the war. The Turks are well aware of what they have a significant lever of influence on Russia, therefore they will use this situation, ”the expert summarizes.

          In the Bosphorus Strait, Turkey makes it difficult for Russian ships to pass, dozens of them are forced to drop anchors and wait hours for their turn. Official explanations of this situation from the Turkish authorities have not yet been received.
    5. 79807420129
      79807420129 30 November 2015 15: 01
      18
      The cynicism is simply amazing, they hope to sit behind the backs of a nigga and NATO. Well, all the words have been said, we are waiting for the development of events.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 15: 04
      21
      Since Turkey does not want to admit its guilt that it shot down a Russian plane for no reason, thus Turkish aircraft are a potential threat to Russian aviation in Syria. And thus, the very unlawful presence of Turkish aircraft in Syria already poses a mortal threat to Russian aviation and ground services, and these Turkish aircraft must be immediately destroyed. This is not a decision of Russia but a forced measure to which Turkey forced it. By not pleading guilty and promising to continue to shoot down Russian planes, Turkey is forcing Russia to destroy Turkish military planes and that’s fair. Turkey made this choice itself. And Turkey’s presence in the NATO bloc will not help her. Very vainly they touched Russia.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 30 November 2015 15: 14
        +6
        From the Turkish side - this is of course the top of go .otism! With your own hands (for the sake of KOMU-TO), dig a grave for yourself, political, economic, financial ...
        1. atalef
          atalef 30 November 2015 15: 45
          20
          Quote: Proxima
          From the Turkish side - this is of course the top of go .otism! With your own hands (for the sake of KOMU-TO), dig a grave for yourself, political, economic, financial ...

          Lavrov would say
          Turks b .... laughing
          1. vorobey
            vorobey 30 November 2015 16: 05
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Lavrov would say the Turks b ....


            did he really say that? in Russia, remember in the old days the Turks called Turks .. hello Sanya .. laughing
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            2. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2015 16: 10
              +1
              Quote: vorobey
              Quote: atalef
              Lavrov would say the Turks b ....


              did he really say that? in Russia, remember in the old days the Turks called Turks .. hello Sanya .. laughing


              That's for sure, as everyone missed this moment
              Hey . sled! hi
      2. beer-youk
        beer-youk 30 November 2015 15: 25
        +6
        In light of recent events, I believe that the very existence of the Turkish Air Force is unnatural and, therefore, illegal.
    7. Asadullah
      Asadullah 30 November 2015 15: 09
      18
      Inadequate for himself


      Nothing like this. The position is well thought out, now blackmail will begin (today) with a ground operation. This is a war with Turkey on Syrian soil. Moreover, I can notice that everyone who is being smashed by the Syrian military and our airborne forces today will go under the jurisdiction of the command of Turkish officers. The only question is whether Russia will manage to drag out time in order to somehow arm and unite the Kurds. For the decision on the invasion is ready, the question is when. Take a look at NG surprise. Turks believe that Russians do not dry out all January. And drunk at this time everywhere, and in the sea, and on land, and in the air. This is how simple puzzles stack up ....
      1. prostofily
        prostofily 30 November 2015 16: 02
        +2
        It seems that this time we choose a weapon on which to fight. The Turks may not have it.
    8. Ivan Slavyanin
      Ivan Slavyanin 30 November 2015 15: 10
      +9
      It's like in Ukraine: "Russia is the aggressor, but let it forgive the debt and let it give a discount!" And I thought only Banderlog are such stupid people!
      1. ProCl
        ProCl 30 November 2015 17: 14
        +2
        Not even stupidity, but cunning. And on the cunning ass, as we say, there is something with a screw ...
    9. Vikings
      Vikings 30 November 2015 15: 18
      +7
      Quote: Wend
      Logic Davutoglu: We will not apologize to Russia, we are looking forward to revising the prohibition measures from Russia
      Inadequate for himself. Looks like a mattress brain disease is contagious. Transmitted through a handshake

      It is completely adequate and therefore dangerous. And we need to act in
      from this!
      Is it really not clear that the musician David fulfills the order
      enta (United States, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc., etc.) ordered the repertoire of
      to stomp Russia's weaknesses.
    10. Kent0001
      Kent0001 30 November 2015 15: 20
      +1
      Maidan of the brain. You will not tell another.
    11. NordUral
      NordUral 30 November 2015 15: 27
      0
      He and his own contagion is enough.
    12. Finches
      Finches 30 November 2015 15: 30
      +1
      The fact of the matter is that Davutuglu will not lose anything from our sanctions, but can only gain! Some local shopkeeper in Istanbul will go bankrupt, but the Turkish authorities will not notice this ... But an ice ax in the back can notice and feel! Or Iskander over the Bosphorus ....
    13. fyvaprold
      fyvaprold 30 November 2015 15: 45
      +3
      Quote: Wend
      Inadequate for himself. Looks like a mattress brain disease is contagious. Transmitted through a handshake

      If so, then okay. But he’s in all seriousness. Apparently the Ottomans forgot Russian anger, they missed their knee-elbow, and Black Lord apparently cheered up, maybe even promised something. Sincerely.
    14. kizhe
      kizhe 30 November 2015 16: 07
      +1
      And it seemed to me that he was vouching with a piglet.
    15. Homo
      Homo 30 November 2015 16: 08
      +1
      Quote: Wend
      Transmitted through a handshake

      Rather through the "back porch"! After all, the United States has all its allies!
    16. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 30 November 2015 17: 11
      0
      This Double-headed, instead of the head of an ass, and that is not his, but black.
    17. GSH-18
      GSH-18 1 December 2015 01: 22
      +1
      In the light of the events that have taken place, Nata and the states can shove their worn-out record: "Assad must go," in one place, flat and deeper! bully
    18. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 1 December 2015 16: 49
      +1
      Yesterday I watched an interview with Yakov Kedmi on Eaton TV, and so he says that the Turkish army is not a problem for the Israeli army, and Russia will not leave a stone unturned if the Turks decide to enter into a serious conflict and not a single NATO country will substitute your country for the goat-Erdogan.
    19. 30BIS
      30BIS 2 December 2015 20: 57
      0
      Previously, the Russians had the expression - "Are you a Turk?" .What did you mean, d.rak! !!!
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  3. izya top
    izya top 30 November 2015 14: 52
    +5
    gutted to him gutted?
  4. Decathlon
    Decathlon 30 November 2015 14: 54
    11
    "... The logic of the Turkish authorities, apparently, is amazing .."
    Normal Ukrainian logic! Neighbor-aggressor, but eat a hunt! Both nations cannot get into a positive IQ ...
    1. guzik007
      guzik007 30 November 2015 15: 50
      +1
      Putin, in my opinion, needs to change tactics, namely: squeezing ISIS out into Lebanon -Let they directly threaten the borders of the European Union. Then we’ll see how NATO will sing.
      1. atalef
        atalef 30 November 2015 15: 52
        +2
        Quote: guzik007
        Putin, in my opinion, needs to change tactics, namely: squeezing ISIS into Lebanon


        Well, actually, Lebanon does not border the European Union, but the idea is interesting. Hezbollah will like it belay
        True, for this, ISIS must somehow be dragged from the east of Syria to the northwest
        Quote: guzik007
        Then we’ll see how NATO will sing.

        Hezbollah first.
      2. atalef
        atalef 30 November 2015 15: 52
        0
        Quote: guzik007
        Putin, in my opinion, needs to change tactics, namely: squeezing ISIS into Lebanon


        Well, actually, Lebanon does not border the European Union, but the idea is interesting. Hezbollah will like it belay
        True, for this, ISIS must somehow be dragged from the east of Syria to the northwest
        Quote: guzik007
        Then we’ll see how NATO will sing.

        Hezbollah first.
  5. lukke
    lukke 30 November 2015 14: 54
    14
    Well, nice, I reserve the right to kick the first Turk who came to hand (leg) and I hope for his understanding)
    1. Tanker55
      Tanker55 30 November 2015 15: 07
      +8
      If you don’t understand with your hand (legs), then we will add, if you do not mind? angry
      1. Decathlon
        Decathlon 30 November 2015 15: 13
        +7
        Beat your head in the bridge of your nose! good Well, or, according to "tomatoes", this is their weak point ... repeat
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 30 November 2015 15: 45
          +2
          Beat your head in the bridge of your nose!


          You’ll teach hooligans that you’ll learn to beat, you need to stab with a knife in your left hand, in the upper part of the liver. Quickly and quietly leave.
          1. Decathlon
            Decathlon 30 November 2015 16: 38
            +1
            Aha! And get caught under the article "Cruelty to animals" ?!
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 30 November 2015 16: 58
              +2
              Aha! And get caught under the article "Cruelty to animals" ?!


              Sorry, I had to supplement after quietly leaving, and hiding in a crowd of Kurds. By the way, the victim does not scream, does not gush blood, does not point a blue finger at your back, but takes another ten steps, the body goes limp, starts to stumble, even those around you might think that he is drunk, then he falls over face down, and then, the muezzin’s business, quickly bury it before the sun sets ....
  6. Tanker55
    Tanker55 30 November 2015 14: 56
    +5
    I put the article in the last three lines. And about the apology: If the lackeys themselves can’t do this, then let their chocolate foreman apologize, and we'll see. angry
  7. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 14: 58
    16
    Long time ago the shield was not nailed to the gates of Constantinople.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 30 November 2015 15: 38
      +3
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      Long time ago the shield was not nailed to the gates of Constantinople.

      I don’t know how about the shield, but the fact that Turkey is on the verge of losing its territorial integrity is a fact - they don’t joke about the Kurdish issue! I would also like to add the words "about the loss of sovereignty," but recent events have clearly shown that the Turks did not have any sovereignty!
  8. bad
    bad 30 November 2015 14: 59
    +4
    Logic Davutoglu: We will not apologize to Russia, we will expect a review of the prohibitive measures from Russia ...
    ..did not want to apologize for the good..probably it will be for the bad ... as if it would not be desirable, but the situation is getting hotter .. and the Turks are clearly encouraged and encouraged by "someone" .. mattress and British ears are visible ... sad ..the Turks, if something happens, will snatch an adult .. and there will be nothing for the instigators ..
    1. andr327
      andr327 30 November 2015 16: 21
      +2
      Yes, not so simple.
      Turkey and China, together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, have established a consortium to transport goods from China to Europe, bypassing Russia. The corresponding agreement was signed on November 28 by representatives of major transport and logistics operators in Istanbul. It is reported by Interfax. Within the framework of this project, during 2016 it is planned to transport the first several thousand containers from China to Turkey and Europe through the territory of Georgia. The parties also plan to begin shipping goods through Ukraine to Northern and Eastern Europe next year.
      So Russia has only two allies left ... It’s sad
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 30 November 2015 16: 41
        +3
        So Russia has only two allies left ... It’s sad


        There is nothing sad here. China has never been an ally and apparently will not. His interests are only in maintaining the status quo. That is, relations with Russia as a relationship not with a rival in political dominance. The PRC does not try on the shirt of the ruler of the world, or a certain messiah; it is engaged in strengthening and consolidating statehood, at the expense of the most important resource, the population. The projects you mentioned do not affect Russia in any way, but only expand Chinese logistics, the same agreements exist with all countries and not one at a time. For China, logistics channels are the same as pipelines for Russia. Which is very annoying. But so far there is no other way.
  9. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 30 November 2015 15: 01
    +4
    In the meantime, they drove a couple of submarines to Moscow. Waiting for new provocations?
  10. bad
    bad 30 November 2015 15: 01
    +2
    Quote: iza top
    gutted to him gutted?
    ..maybe so .. I am inclined to think that his egg was sniffing, and this is forever ..
    1. izya top
      izya top 30 November 2015 15: 08
      20
      Quote: bad
      I am inclined to think that his egg has sniffed, and this is forever.

      what
  11. engineer74
    engineer74 30 November 2015 15: 03
    +6
    From the statement of the NATO General Security Council, I understood one thing, only NATO countries have the right to protect their borders! We also need some kind of "exclusive" right to come up with, for example, to destroy space objects over our territory or to use biology against animal husbandry to protect domestic producers, and if we try to answer a similar answer, threaten with a "nuclear club"! wassat
    It was not we who, after all, began to build the world "according to concepts"!
    IMHO
  12. as150505
    as150505 30 November 2015 15: 04
    +2
    Ukrainian insanity is contagious. Now Urkogan carries the same nonsense as Piglet
  13. Styx
    Styx 30 November 2015 15: 08
    +6
    Well, bastard, there are simply no words !! Our pilot, by the way, was very touchingly and solemnly handed over to the ambassador, and this is given out to the mountain !! There is no limit to cynicism, to disgust
    1. saltickov.
      saltickov. 30 November 2015 15: 53
      +3
      LOAD is a word that exactly resembles.
  14. 3vs
    3vs 30 November 2015 15: 08
    +9
    So what do we want?
    Countries, members of NATO and use this cheap oil.
    Erdogan launders, Europeans buy, money doesn't smell!
  15. ASG7
    ASG7 30 November 2015 15: 12
    +6
    Turkey is trying hard to show the whole world and in particular Russia that it is ready to fight for its interests in Syria. but then he destroys his combat-ready generals. Or thinks that American generals will replace them. In general, all these dances of the Turkish leadership around their military ambitions are a fairy tale about a white bull, the main thing is that the cheeks do not burst and the bottom does not vomit. laughing
  16. yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 November 2015 15: 17
    0
    Meanwhile, Turkish Prime Minister Davutoglu once again stated that Ankara is not going to bring any apologies to Russia. At the same time, Davutoglu speaks of "the hope of revising the measures taken by Russia against Turkey in connection with the incident with Su-24." The logic of the Turkish authorities, apparently, is amazing ...


    Take off your glasses and fill your face ... at least something will come ... not through words, but through ... duley. angry
  17. drags33
    drags33 30 November 2015 15: 19
    16
    Turks - they are stubborn and stubborn ... There is a phrase - "Stubborn like a Turk". So caresses and courtesies are canceled. We need to wet them in the toilet (only competently, politely, correctly), maybe after that they will understand something ...
  18. Woodman
    Woodman 30 November 2015 15: 19
    +3
    And apologies are no longer needed, the flywheel is started and it cannot be stopped with empty words ... Yes, and excuses like demons (star-striped) haven't gotten anyway ... We will have to answer for the lives of our guys not with words ... and, I dare hope, not only the Turks will answer.
  19. f, hfrjlf, hf
    f, hfrjlf, hf 30 November 2015 15: 22
    +3
    Well, enough to suppose, let’s bury Turkey at least from words to deed, well, not in the literal sense of course, but in the economic one so that our plane throat stuck Erdagan with it especially
    1. Ledyaev
      Ledyaev 30 November 2015 16: 23
      +4
      Nizhny Novgorod November 27. Market on the Moscow highway, Berezovskaya street. There is an oriental man with oranges for 80 rubles. The rest have 120. I ask "Why is it so cheap?" The answer pleased me: "Turkish, no one wants a brother." That would be so everywhere.
  20. Saratovets
    Saratovets 30 November 2015 15: 22
    +3
    But I’m interested in the cruiser Moscow, our anti-submarine ships are accompanied, so that it wouldn’t work
  21. rf xnumx
    rf xnumx 30 November 2015 15: 23
    14
    We won’t apologize to Russia, we are looking forward to a revision of the prohibition measures from Russia ... We’ll go through the woods
  22. veksha50
    veksha50 30 November 2015 15: 23
    +2
    When you hear such verbiage, you involuntarily start to get confused in the countries and their leaders ... Well, such as Ukraine and Turkey ... Turks, they are so swarthy, yes ??? And Ukrainians have pitchforks either in the head or in the loin part of the body sticking out, and the forelock is so delicious ???

    Outwardly - different, but they say - well, just on one mov ...
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 30 November 2015 15: 33
      +1
      Reading Gogol N.V., you can find out that the Cossacks on the outskirts, like the Turks, as a result of numerous raids, were very actively mixed. Some brought slaves to themselves, while others dragged Turkish women in the form of wives. So that, quite, genetically related peoples.
      1. Oprychnik
        Oprychnik 30 November 2015 15: 51
        +2
        You can learn about this by reading "Quiet Don" by Sholokhov. In particular, about Grigory Melekhov. So we are quite genetically related peoples. And who had Tatars in their blood? I have. And you? So what?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 30 November 2015 16: 26
          0
          And what have the Tatars to do with it? Well, in part, they are also Turks. Although L. Gumilyov distinguishes "our" Tatars from theirs. I, personally, for our Tatars, who, including Bulgars, as well as Mongols. I personally have nothing to do with the Ottomans. N.V. Gogol does not write much about others.
  23. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik 30 November 2015 15: 26
    0
    No need to trick either NATO or the Turks! Nato supports the Turks in protecting the borders, but the borders were not violated! Even the states have recognized it!
  24. avva2012
    avva2012 30 November 2015 15: 26
    0
    "The world has moved." Here, for sure. S. King is a genius. I wonder which of the towers is flowing?
  25. Killj
    Killj 30 November 2015 15: 32
    +4
    And what can be expected from the Muslim Brotherhood terrorist organization led by Erdogan, the sponsor of terrorism.
  26. Vyatich
    Vyatich 30 November 2015 15: 33
    32
    That's something like ... am
  27. Ulysses
    Ulysses 30 November 2015 15: 38
    +2
    Quote: Vyatich
    That's something like ... am

    Already there are signatures.
    I'm sorry to learn Perdogan.
  28. BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 15: 44
    -2
    Putin stands
    https://russian.rt.com/article/133697
    The broadcast was interrupted, and then some kind of movement started, already the French bulldog was blown up from a place
  29. Gypsy girl
    Gypsy girl 30 November 2015 15: 49
    +5
    We will not apologize, we are disappointed with sanctions, go nuts, which vinaigrette!
    I will paraphrase: "Shoot down the plane and keep the relationship!"
    It never happens, uncle.
  30. DOMINO100
    DOMINO100 30 November 2015 15: 53
    -12 qualifying.
    15: 17, 30 November 2015
    Turkey and China agree to deliver goods to Europe bypassing Russia
    Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia also took part in the union. WELL HOW ARE YOU ANOTHER CHINA? ALL THEY FRIENDS OF RUSSIA! MAY ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE USA JUST WANTS TO SHARE THE WORLD WITH RUSSIA, ONLY RUSSIA DOESN’T WANT THIS. And in vain! SPECIFICALLY, GDP SHOULD BE DEPLOYED IN THE USA. JOIN NATO, AND THROW SUCH FRIENDS THROUGH THE BOARD AS CHINA.
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 16: 03
      -4
      In Eastern Europe, it is shorter in this way, and in Western Europe by the NSR, China is promoting its interests. What is the crime?

      MAY ALSO NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE USA JUST WANTS TO SHARE THE WORLD WITH RUSSIA, ONLY RUSSIA DOESN’T WANT THIS. And in vain! SPECIFICALLY, GDP SHOULD BE DEPLOYED IN THE USA. JOIN NATO, AND THROW SUCH FRIENDS THROUGH THE BOARD AS CHINA.

      complete BAD !!!
      1. BaLaLaykin
        BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 16: 53
        0
        minusers do not agree with what?
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    3. Oleg1080
      Oleg1080 30 November 2015 16: 18
      +3
      Engage in Anglo-Saxon agitation in Britain and don’t go to Mother Russia !!!
  31. evgmiz
    evgmiz 30 November 2015 15: 59
    +1
    Turkey has always been and remains the instigator of the world war - God bless you!
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 16: 34
      0
      not Turkey, but Britain
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 30 November 2015 19: 24
        0
        But still a troll roams in our forum with administrator rights. In our case, purely NATO. Today, some kind of a holiday. As you impose measures with the Turks, so get a backing track ... But it’s not scary ... It happened when the Crimea returned, and it was like that in Maidan Kuevsky ... We’ll survive, your division !!!
  32. Riv
    Riv 30 November 2015 16: 03
    +1
    You can’t forbid to hope, right?
    Erdogan is still a secular person. It is difficult for him to understand what it means for a soldier to die not even from friendly fire, but from the fire of the neutral side. When enemies shoot at you, it's understandable and natural. Strength can be opposed to strength, cruelty - cruelty. When their own - this is carelessness, or a mistake. For this there is someone to ask. And what can be opposed to meanness? One plane, one helicopter and two lives is not much. But the question is not "how much?", The question "what to do?"
    That's why Putin will not meet with Erdogan. Well, what to talk about with a scoundrel? Why apologize?
  33. Starik72
    Starik72 30 November 2015 16: 05
    +3
    There is a very wise proverb in Russian: Do with EVERYTHING just as EVERYONE COMES with you. I would like to wholeheartedly say this saying that RUSSIA would pay close attention.
  34. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 November 2015 16: 05
    0
    Chilim to close this Dovutaglu with a 36 nut on the finger for such statements! He is waiting ... well, wait on!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 30 November 2015 16: 22
      -2
      He already seems to be stuck up - that’s why he constantly smiles cunningly, or maybe it's from the ground ??? wassat
  35. Norman_Pitkin
    Norman_Pitkin 30 November 2015 16: 07
    +6
    Turks have always been and will remain moral monsters until the end of Time !!! This is a disgusting country with vile and cunning folk! If it is true that the Russian government has banned the sale of tour packages to Turkey, well, finally! respect and respect to Putin! He zadolbal with his woman's policy of "soft path" - Russia softened ... how much more Russian blood must be shed to turn on the "hard path" regime ?! - they hit you on the cheek, grind and wet you in the toilet !!!
  36. Bully
    Bully 30 November 2015 16: 08
    +1
    Quote: Asadullah
    It is necessary to prepare feverishly

    Do you seriously think that Putin will fight the Turks with non-nuclear weapons in the event of an attack on our group in Syria?
  37. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 30 November 2015 16: 10
    -13 qualifying.
    Ours is already running from the photographers on the forum.
    They say that in the official ceremony of photographing GDP did not participate.
    Everything is already a whistle! It all happened! We must be able to negotiate, and for this we need to start talking.
    We will declare a hunger strike and isolation for everyone and we will sip home cabbage soup sitting on the stove.
    Moreover, sanctions will hit ordinary people.
    All Peskovs and others like them will rush to Switzerland and Florida and from there will look at "empty" Turkey.
    For some reason, we only drove oil and gas and drive them to all countries, but we will courageously refuse their tomatoes and cheeses! )))
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 16: 21
      +7
      he is not running, he simply has not arrived at the time of the photo. "Europe can wait while the king is fishing."
    2. 1rl141
      1rl141 30 November 2015 16: 41
      +3
      You don’t have to sit on the stove, but check the condition of the powder cellars, dry the contents, if necessary, clean your krumultuk, grind the saber and the finn and sit smoking on the mound, wait for the whistle.
  38. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 30 November 2015 16: 14
    +4
    Wow !!! I thought that Poroshenko finished d ......, and now he has worthy competitors!
    1. Ruswolf
      Ruswolf 30 November 2015 16: 53
      0
      theodore rasp
      Wow !!! I thought that Poroshenko finished d ......, and now he has worthy competitors!

      Interesting ... and they (competitors) also jump?
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  39. NDR-791
    NDR-791 30 November 2015 16: 20
    +2
    Stoltenberg stated that "all NATO allies unanimously supported Turkey’s right to defend its borders."
    He has stated what any state will declare in relation to any other state. If personal interests are not affected. It was not he who announced that he personally and all his "royal men" are waiting for a revision of our sanctions policy towards Turkey. (the policy has not yet entered into force, and DavutoLSU is already crying). Soyuz girls surrendered Turkey, and they did not understand what would happen like a gnawing - you let us run over, and we will see ... Here two boats were sent to the Mediterranean Sea yesterday out of great pride, and if "due to improper service" what if our destroyer moves, then we will apologize in every way, and we will scold the acoustics from the destroyer, and send home for additional training ... with a promotion.
  40. solovey
    solovey 30 November 2015 16: 22
    +3
    NOT EVENING EVENING - EVERYTHING WILL BE GOOD wink
    In 2000, when the GDP came, the situation was much worse !!!
  41. buyoil
    buyoil 30 November 2015 16: 24
    +2
    Hachiko was waiting too ...
  42. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 30 November 2015 16: 31
    0
    I’m thinking .... they didn’t have to go to the NATO headquarters for a consultation ... But to Ukraine. To the rabbit and parasite! They would definitely teach the Turks what and how to talk and think! There are almost all storytellers!
  43. Luga
    Luga 30 November 2015 16: 35
    -2
    And I propose to cut off Erdogan's head and hide it in Obama's suitcase. Barack will return from a business trip, tell his wife, here, they say, Michel, you have a gift from Paris itself, and takes out a package. He unfolds it, and there his head rolls up his eyes, moves his antennae. Suddenly the eyes open and the whole kitchen: "Nar-r-breaking the boundaries! Tour-r-addicts! R-r-Russians are coming! There will be no apologies !!!"

    That will be a laugh! And in Turkey, probably, they will not notice anything ...
  44. mamont5
    mamont5 30 November 2015 17: 00
    0
    "We will not apologize to Russia, we expect a revision of prohibitive measures from Russia ..."

    If only in the direction of amplification, so please always ...
  45. Migor102
    Migor102 30 November 2015 17: 12
    0
    just like in a saying: eat fish and ... sit down!
  46. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 30 November 2015 17: 30
    +4
    Quote: Norman_Pitkin
    If it is true that the Russian government has banned the sale of tourist packages to Turkey-

    From the Internet.
    "From Turkey, where everything is included -
    - to the Crimea, where everything is off! "
    Every joke has some truth.
    And the barmaleevs from the Turkish leadership must be "treated" by all possible means.
  47. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 30 November 2015 18: 42
    +3
    At the same time, Davutoglu speaks of "the hope of revising the measures taken by Russia against Turkey in connection with the incident with the Su-24." The logic of the Turkish authorities, apparently, is amazing ...

    Yes, the measures are rather mild, we should reconsider. In the direction of tightening. But in general,
    if lawmakers thought more about the people, and not about themselves, birthmarks, then long ago
    did not need Turkish rags, their own would be higher than the roof. However, this applies
    not just rags. It seems that the fifth column is everywhere, and does not give
    the course of national industry. And not just her.
  48. Teplotehnik
    Teplotehnik 30 November 2015 18: 46
    0
    The abomination of the NATO gang is amazing! Ready any villainy!
  49. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 30 November 2015 20: 12
    0
    It is necessary to destroy the nest of plague rats as soon as possible, otherwise they will creep and begin to breed in other places!
  50. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 30 November 2015 20: 12
    +1
    Quote: Lalaika
    he is not running, he simply has not arrived at the time of the photo. "Europe can wait while the king is fishing."

    Ja! Ja! Only then no one could utter a word in Europe without the permission of the Russian Empire.
    And now they’re felling Russia with a pack, and here some more inside the country help to do it!