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New IL for the flight squad "Russia"

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At the Voronezh Aircraft Manufacturing Company made the first flight of the new IL-96-300 with registration number 96022, reports the blog bmpd.


Il-96-300 passenger aircraft (registration number RA-96022)

According to the author, the “aircraft in a special configuration“ cabin ”with a capacity of 160 passengers was built for the Special Flight Unit (SLO)“ Russia ”of the Administrative Department of the President of the Russian Federation under the contract with the UAC of 25 on April 2013 of the year.”

The contract provides for the construction of two aircraft - one in the configuration "salon" (for 3,75 billion rubles), the other in the version of the control station - PU (М1) - worth 5,2 billion.

It is noted that "IL-96-300-PU (М1) with the registration number RA-96023 remains under construction."

In total, the company has built X-NUMX IL-28 aircraft.
Photos used:
Alexey Filatov / vk.com
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  1. Wedmak
    Wedmak 30 November 2015 14: 12
    91
    What needs to be done so that Aeroflot starts buying these planes? Whom to shoot for used Boeing and airbuses?
    1. Tor5
      Tor5 30 November 2015 14: 14
      36
      Indeed, why doesn't Aeroflot order or buy? In the end, the state itself can lease it.
      1. wicked pinnochio
        wicked pinnochio 30 November 2015 18: 16
        18
        because aeroflot they do not need nafig and Medvedev must be shot
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      1. Not served
        Not served 30 November 2015 14: 22
        +8
        Specifically, Mr. Savelyev president of Aeroflot. By his order, the entire 96th fleet that Aeroflot had was put under the fence. It is economically not profitable for operation.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 30 November 2015 14: 26
          22
          Quote: Didn't serve
          Specifically, Mr. Savelyev president of Aeroflot. By his order, the entire 96th fleet that Aeroflot had was put under the fence. It is economically not profitable for operation.

          laughing Well, yes, but buying a Boeing is economically profitable for the intermediary agent through whom these Boeing was bought, and if you take it from Novia, then they promise to give out 10% of the price in your pocket ... Well, the agents share with whom you need to
          1. Not served
            Not served 30 November 2015 15: 03
            27
            This is such a hackneyed topic that it just makes you sick. We have one state-owned enterprise in Moscow. It is now making doors and locks for bomb shelters through the Ministry of Emergencies. And before they did tunnel shields for the subway. So the Moscow government at the dawn of Luzhkov took and gave all orders to the Germans. Our type is not effective and bad. So the Germans completely unashamedly offered them to work under them but five times cheaper. And now everything, there is no this production.
            Such examples moooooore.
          2. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 30 November 2015 15: 10
            +5
            Quote: Corsair
            , and the purchase of Boeings is economically beneficial to the intermediary agent through whom these Boeings were purchased,

            Boeings and Airbuses are leased from leasing companies; nobody buys.
        2. red_october
          red_october 30 November 2015 14: 39
          18
          And Mr. Savelyev knows that he is economically disadvantageous for his country ???
          1. BIGLESHIY
            BIGLESHIY 30 November 2015 15: 08
            +6
            Quote: red_october
            And Mr. Savelyev knows that he is economically disadvantageous for his country ???

            I would formulate the question differently.
            And Mr. Savelyev knows for which country (which countries) is it economically disadvantageous?
          2. Wedmak
            Wedmak 30 November 2015 16: 27
            11
            that it is economically disadvantageous for his country ???

            In general, the FSB should know this. And it’s time to consider such activity as intentional wrecking.
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        4. veksha50
          veksha50 30 November 2015 15: 06
          +5
          Quote: Didn't serve
          It is economically not profitable for operation.



          And did anyone make specific, real, true economic and analytical calculations for comparison with Boeing and watermelons ???
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 30 November 2015 16: 29
            +2
            true economic and analytical calculations

            Now, if you focus on the first word - no.
        5. 73bor
          73bor 30 November 2015 15: 13
          +4
          Let Mr. Saveliev not hold everybody for idiots, when he (Il-96) was discontinued, they came up with a child's excuse, and in modern conditions the serial production of this aircraft is simply necessary!
    3. cniza
      cniza 30 November 2015 14: 15
      24
      Quote: Wedmak
      What needs to be done so that Aeroflot starts buying these planes? Whom to shoot for used Boeing and airbuses?



      Just the desire of the Government and that’s all, but it’s not there.
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    5. Vikings
      Vikings 30 November 2015 14: 15
      +2
      But what really do not know? Walk on the ruble.
      Is it clear to you?
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 14: 28
      0
      The aircraft IL-96-300-PU (M1) with registration number RA-96021 under this contract was delivered to the Arctic Ocean in 2013
      96021 seems to have been the second under the contract of 2010, and the current 96022 is the first (and not the second) under "this contract" (2013), another one is being built - 96023.
    7. roman_pilot
      roman_pilot 30 November 2015 14: 55
      +3
      In Aeroflot, Boeing and Airbus have never been used.
      1. jjj
        jjj 30 November 2015 14: 59
        0
        Aeroflot has a novye park. And Aeroflot is the largest operator of the Su-95, replacing the An-148 fleet with them. Until our industry can build aircraft in the required quantities
    8. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 15: 04
      +3
      Quote: Wedmak
      What needs to be done so that Aeroflot starts buying these planes? Whom to shoot for used Boeing and airbuses?



      How do you like it? Surname or list ???

      If surname - the list is very large ... If in a nutshell - then the State Duma and Pr-in ...
    9. Robert49
      Robert49 30 November 2015 15: 05
      +4
      Maybe start with Medvedev?
      1. Kubyanka
        Kubyanka 30 November 2015 18: 11
        +1
        And then the Dvorkovichs, Ulyukaevs, Soluyanovs and countless numbers for them ...
    10. g1v2
      g1v2 30 November 2015 15: 27
      +6
      So that AEROFLOT BECOMES TO BUY IL 96 it is necessary to make IL 96 economically viable for airlines, that’s all. Well, and to shoot - all the engineers and workers of the Boeing, airbase, bombardier and empire. laughing Then for sure ours will start flying on Russian planes. And until then, according to the latest data from RBC, there is NO SINGLE PASSENGER IL in Russian airlines. Of the 994 passenger planes of Russian airlines that were allowed to fly, 336 Boeing, 280 airbuses, 120-130 an (most an 24 and an 26), 65 bombardiers, 40 turbojets (Czech Republic, but owned by a Russian company), 20 atr, 10 empires, 6 dhc6.
      Russian planes - 48 yaks (average age over 25 years, kept only from patriotism), 39 superjets (there are already a lot of these ordered and the number will obviously grow), 30 carcasses (some are in hangars for a look) and not a single PASSENGER IL , only transport workers.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 30 November 2015 16: 16
        +3
        Quote: g1v2
        TO AEROFLOT BECAME TO BUY IL 96

        Ask the United States and the European Union to impose sanctions on spare parts and equipment for Boeing and Watermelons located in Russia.
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 30 November 2015 21: 15
          0
          Quote: Amurets
          Ask the United States and the European Union to impose sanctions on spare parts and equipment for Boeing and Watermelons located in Russia.


          You can also introduce counter-sanctions, as with the EU food ...

          Only no one understands that tickets will go up in price. They already can afford it.
          Taking into account the devaluation and bankruptcy, Tranaero has grown not weak.
      2. avt
        avt 30 November 2015 16: 19
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        39 superjets (there are already a lot of these ordered and the number will obviously grow),

        The stump is clear - Superbudget is such a "successful" commercial project that even planes are taken from the Lao and Indonesians. wassat And at the same time I'm blowing billions more into the "capitalization" of the SCA by the decision of the LADY. And how many "commercially successful" really fly? And why is it, following the Urals -
        ... From an interview with the general director of the Udmurt airline, Alexander Gorodilov (shown on November 18 on the Russia-24 / Udmurtia TV channel), it follows that according to a number of criteria, the regional Sukhoi Superjet 100 (SSJ100) aircraft produced by the SCA do not suit Izhavia. Today, the airline primarily focuses on the mainline aircraft MS-21.
        wassat They don’t see their happiness wassat "Yamal" too, but somehow he arranged himself more competently - they wrote off that there was no money, so they say we will earn some money and then-ah-ah ..... So what for
        Quote: g1v2
        need to make silt 96 cost-effective for airlines

        it is kaneshna yes, the only question is who and HOW and for what grandmother will do .... or rather, who will give them a piece from the SCAC's mouth to pull out a budgetary piece. And also Livshits, the deceased being the Minister of Finance, answered requests to finance the aviation industry - "There is no money."
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 30 November 2015 17: 54
          +3
          Well, whether you like the superjet or not, but in the coming years it will advance as much as the main short-haul aircraft in the Russian Federation. The short-haul aircraft in Russian airlines out of 994 are approximately 250-300. There is only one competitor - An 148, which in these conditions will certainly not be the main short-range aircraft. According to the data on now - for a superjet in the Russian Federation and beyond, more than 400 orders - this is more than the entire Russian fleet of short-haul aircraft. I think the truth. that part of the contracts will not be executed, but it's still not bad. Aeroflot is gradually switching to it, and this is the most important thing. Plus, it seems that Aeroflot will occupy the share of the transaero market, which means that more aircraft will be needed. Of course, the newest Transaero planes will be bought at a low price, but the average age of Transaero planes from the Big Four companies was maximum, so I think that American and European junk will return to their owners - leasing companies. request Thp voluntarily-forcibly, but over time, the superjet will occupy the niche of short-haul flights to the Russian Federation.
          Ms21 is the main hope, since there are approximately 450-500 pieces of medium-range aircraft in the Russian Federation. It is already certain that this plane will order Aeroflot and other state-owned companies. Plus already appeared infa about foreign orders. Of course, political, but if you push the superjet and ms21 into the markets of Iran, Syria, Egypt, then you can already live.
          LOCAL AIRLINES HAVE BEEN DELIVERED TO UKRAINE FROM THEIR AN, but production of sludge 114 will most likely be launched, since dill does not want to be friends with us. The market for such aircraft in the Russian Federation - pieces 100 - 150.
          Well, there are long-range aircraft. The hardest part here. There are about 130 of them in the Russian Federation; developing a new aircraft for such a small number is not very profitable to develop. Therefore, it seems that the long-haul will be joint with China, with an attempt to break through our aircraft into the Chinese market. Well, or still, the IL-96 will be modernized. It seems like they are going to create PD18 for him on the basis of PD14, which has already passed part of the tests. Video test PD 14 is on the network.
          But with the Tupolevites everything seems to be bad IN THE FIELD OF CIVIL AVIATION. Nobody promotes their planes and nobody advertises, which means that there are few chances that civil companies will order them. Only government agencies and then out of the Ministry of Emergencies ordered a superjet for himself - there were photos on the sun.
          1. avt
            avt 30 November 2015 18: 36
            0
            Quote: g1v2
            . There is only one competitor - An 148, which in these conditions will definitely not be the main short-range aircraft

            Will not be . Alas! An-148, a "non-commercial" airplane, IS BREAKED out as a class and GF, despite the fact that it was RETURNED with giblets from Antonov, serial production at VASO was established and on the lines some aircraft had 400 hours of flight per month. And, commercially successful "Superbudget, how much, well, considering that the maximum flight time in" Rand Wings "?
            Quote: g1v2
            . According to the data on now - for a superjet in the Russian Federation and beyond, more than 400 orders - this is more than the entire Russian fleet of short-haul aircraft.

            wassat laughing And in China, with a real order from Boeing, did 380 aircraft count?
            Quote: g1v2
            . It’s already certain that this plane will order Aeroflot and other state-owned companies

            Aeroflot will go somewhere, well, the rest will be caught, I do not even doubt. For others I have already said with quotations - all are kicked out - we are waiting for the MS-21 type, under various pretexts, only the Red Wings say - we will take to MS-21
            Quote: g1v2
            Plus already appeared infa about foreign orders.

            This song has been heard more than once, but the answer
            Quote: avt
            .And how many "commercially successful" actually fly?

            I have not heard.
            Quote: g1v2
            but most likely the production of sludge 114 will be deployed,

            So far, they have completed the backlog of the Tashkent plant, but the series itself can be in 2019.
            Quote: g1v2
            . Therefore, it seems that the long-haul will be joint with China, with an attempt to break through our aircraft into the Chinese market.

            wassat Once again - China signed up for 380 Boeing airplanes for the entire line.
            Quote: g1v2
            Only government agencies and then out of the Ministry of Emergencies ordered a superjet for himself - there were photos on the sun.

            laughing And they sucked it into the Moscow Region - they’d put them somewhere else from Zhukovsky, so they returned 4 pieces from Laos and Indonesia — they shove the campaign to Aeroflot.
            1. g1v2
              g1v2 30 November 2015 19: 41
              0
              380 Boeings for the Chinese market is a bit. I think that there is a place for us and them. If we already have nearly a thousand passenger aircraft flying, then in China, where the population is 10 times higher, even more. Superjets flies ALREADY 39, to compare all the carcasses flies, and more in hangars costs 30 pieces. These are all models. Jacob - 48 pieces, and old ones. A total of about 70 units were transferred to customers, which in my opinion is already not bad. Out of 30 Mexicans, 18 have already received and no complaints are heard. The total number of produced hundredths is limited by production capabilities - there are still more orders than jets are produced. An148 is still a Ukrainian aircraft, which is produced under license from us. Tch Russian it can be considered with reservations. But in general. Could it be tu334, for example? Yes, he could, but Poghosyan shot his plane, and the Tupolevs got used to wait for instructions from above and trampled them. As a result, they are dry in chocolate, and the Tupolevites where the sun does not shine. As for what makes superjets take, so which airline will buy a Russian plane of its own accord, even if it is better? They will not force us, so we will fly in Boeing and watermelons. In my opinion, let Russian companies buy a superjet and ms21 rather than boing. hi Well, it’s unrealistic for us to break into foreign markets, since they have already been divided, and any foreign contract is a plus anyway.
              1. avt
                avt 30 November 2015 20: 48
                0
                Quote: g1v2
                . I think that there is a place for us and them.

                Yeah, especially taking into account the fact that they themselves are making airbuses and the analogue of the MS, they have already lifted them into the air, and like that they will strangle their aircraft industry with a fright, and our airplanes will buy.
                Quote: g1v2
                . Superjet flies ALREADY 39

                Of the hundreds made ... wassat
                Quote: g1v2
                . An148 is still a Ukrainian aircraft, which is produced under license from us. Tch Russian it can be considered with reservations.

                Oh how! Purchased and produced in Russia and already in fact partially import-substituted is a stranger. And assembled by 70-80% and with imported engines, "costumed" for Mexicanos in Italy - your own! ?? wassat
                Quote: g1v2
                Well, it’s unrealistic for us to break into foreign markets, since they are already divided,

                Yah!!!? What a news ! But what about Po's statement that he will break everyone in the “segment” with the Superbudget ??? Let me guess - negative experience is also experience. But why does it seem to me that for such budget money it looks more like a scam.
                1. g1v2
                  g1v2 30 November 2015 21: 50
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                  I see a jet for you a sore subject, it’s even scary to continue, otherwise it’s not enough. lol The Chinese naturally will not be strangled by the Chinese, and the hundred jets that were ordered for a joint leasing company, it is quite possible that they will not be built. However, the deal is still political. If GDP and Xi relations continue to strengthen, then the Chinese market will swallow this hundred. In addition, if there is a service center, then from China you can crawl around Indochina and so on. In any case, foreign transactions on superjets and on ms21 are political. By the way I remembered - like Egypt ordered ms 21 and I think that it is clear that it is not out of love for Russian airplanes. But naturally, I wouldn’t really count on this hundred.
                  About hundreds made not sure. While I read about 70. It is set. 39 it is flying in civil aviation in the Russian Federation and against the background of 48 yaks and 30 carcasses it is quite good in my opinion. The number will definitely grow - in Aeroflot now it seems like 30 is listed, and 50 ordered, including 50 new Russian aircraft, is still not bad. hi
                  As for the engine, well, as far as I remember, the SaM146 is a joint French and Saturn. As for the Russian, he or the Varangian has his own opinion, but in my opinion the plane created by Russian engineers on the Russian project, assembled on the territory of the Russian Federation by Russian workers, is definitely Russian. As for the percentage of imported components, the bike went from an article in the news, where the interview was simply cut off. It said that in 2014 up to 83 percent of components purchased for jets were imported. But then the news was cut off. The next sentence was that about 40 percent of imported components in a separate aircraft, and these percentages will be reduced. lol Simply put, the GSS in 2014 stocked up with imported spare parts in order to have a reserve for a certain number of aircraft, if import is restricted. And because of the cropped interview (quite possibly on purpose) it turned out as if in a jet 83 percent of imports. laughing
                  But in any case, the Ukrainian brand and in the new realities will be refused from the Aans wherever possible. The only en that will not be replaced in the near future is an124 Ruslan. Only the engines he wants to change. Well, and so in the VKS and on the citizen of the Academy of Sciences are unlikely to promote.
                  As for Poghosyan, well, so he says what needs to be said for business. And so he crushed the Tupolevites like an elephant cat. They had a finished airplane, albeit not first-class, they had the possibility of production, but there was no Poghosyan. But he was dry, and he broke through his concept, crushed competitors and won without a finished plane with one idea. If the Tupolevites had such a manager, that 334 would go into production. Under capitalism, only such heads of companies succeed, and those who cannot convince the buyer and investor (in this case the state) that their product is the most and will bring a lot of money, they fly by. In general, the Tupolevites had to change their leadership and there might be a chance.
                  1. avt
                    avt 30 November 2015 21: 57
                    0
                    Quote: g1v2
                    I see a jet for you a sore subject

                    For SUCH money, get an average PR airplane for his new era of regional aviation, killing a whole line of airplanes and all the co-operation accompanying them IN RUSSIA for the sake of mythical new technologies request .... Offer to write boiling water with happiness ?? By the way - you mentioned a businessman from Egypt who is now trying to get an MS-21, at one time ordered a dozen Tu-204/214, and with Rolls Royces in addition to our engines. So the order was Drowned in the 90s! Here is such a commerce with "non-repayable" Tu, and now, if there is a wonderful Superbudget, even on the order of a DOM who stamped his foot - IMPORT SUBSTITUTE! ...
                    1. g1v2
                      g1v2 30 November 2015 22: 53
                      0
                      Nothing is impossible here - the question is timing and finances. As for the fact that Pogosyan has stepped up his plane, and thanks to this, he went into production. Yes it's true. But so should every leader who wants success for his company. Just because no one will buy under capitalism. It is necessary, I apologize, to inhale your product and convince the buyer that it is your product that is the best and that it is without it that the buyer’s life is not a joy. Poghosyan sucked in his plane, but the Tupolevs did not. request Conclusion - Well done, Poghosyan, and the Tupolevites will pray for military orders. I, of course, was for that, but Russia will fly on superjets. As a result, short-haul aircraft will be bought by airlines from dry, for local airlines, it’s similar to Ilushin’s il334, medium-haul planes114 from Yakovlev’s, and long-haul probably from Ilyushin’s. And only military orders remain for the Tupolevites, and they flew past the civilian segment.
      3. user
        user 30 November 2015 16: 52
        0
        So that AEROFLOT BECOMES TO BUY IL 96 it is necessary to make IL 96 economically viable for airlines, that’s all.


        This is a problem of engines (we never really cared much about efficiency), by the way, the other day, the president introduced a completely new PD-14 engine (all of a sudden, the PD-18 will be foolishly fast, in terms of time), or rather, a whole line. He shook hands with someone, awarded someone, so if you take it seriously, the glider flies, and replacing the engine is not a big problem, but the certification problem is yes.
    11. arnulla
      arnulla 30 November 2015 15: 33
      +1
      Make it less costly for airlines. Then they can start to buy. Well and ess-but put pressure on the part of the state.
    12. guzik007
      guzik007 30 November 2015 16: 15
      0
      Well, what a crap. Once for the president, it means very reliable. Since it means that people, logically, should fly on this. But in fact, as in that joke about Chapai: if you don’t smoke, then you’re sick with a tripper.
    13. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 30 November 2015 18: 28
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      What needs to be done so that Aeroflot starts buying these planes? Whom to shoot for used Boeing and airbuses?

      It is necessary to motivate the same thing as with the Sukhara superjet - the objective necessity of mounting and price.
    14. finderektor
      finderektor 30 November 2015 19: 37
      0
      Manturova and Poghosyan for I-hang
    15. vell.65
      vell.65 30 November 2015 22: 35
      0
      Quote: Wedmak
      What needs to be done so that Aeroflot starts buying these planes? Whom to shoot for used Boeing and airbuses?

      Maybe they get good kickbacks from foreign aircraft manufacturers?
  2. izya top
    izya top 30 November 2015 14: 13
    +4
    industry urgently needed ... yesterday
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 14: 13
    11
    Wow how big! But would he have new Perm engines, but in series? And to squeeze out Boeings and Airbases from our skies slowly. With a pair of engines - MS-21, and with four ...
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    2. gjv
      gjv 30 November 2015 15: 36
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And here he would have new Perm engines,

      So he has Perm PS-90A with a thrust of 16000 kgf.
      And the new PD-14s are not enough for him, they have only 14000 kgf.
      And when there will be an even newer PD-18R with a thrust of 18000 kgs - it is not yet clear. request
      And the new PD-14 is just designed for the MS-21.
  4. Bongo
    Bongo 30 November 2015 14: 15
    +1
    The contract provides for the construction of two aircraft - one in the configuration "salon" (for 3,75 billion rubles.)
    wassat
    This is how many ordinary passenger airliners for this money you can buy?
    1. Cthulhu
      Cthulhu 30 November 2015 14: 47
      +3
      Quote: Bongo
      This is how many ordinary passenger airliners for this money you can buy?


      According to the official financial report from OJSC VASO, in 2013 one Il-96-300 aircraft was manufactured and sold. The proceeds from the sale amounted to 3 rubles. The cost of sale was 156 rubles, that is, the plant made a profit of about 058 million rubles. Taking into account inflation and the exchange rate of the national currency for the period of 000, the indicated amount of 2 is quite at the usual level.

      Cons did not set, but they are deserved.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 30 November 2015 16: 43
        +4
        Quote: Cthulhu
        Cons did not set, but they are deserved.

        For some time now I stopped paying attention to the minuses. hi
    2. Samaritan
      Samaritan 30 November 2015 14: 52
      +4
      Quote: Bongo
      The contract provides for the construction of two aircraft - one in the configuration "salon" (for 3,75 billion rubles.)
      wassat
      This is how many ordinary passenger airliners for this money you can buy?

      Not one, for $ 70 million you can’t buy this level. Not a Boeing, not a watermelon!
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 30 November 2015 15: 17
        +1
        the usual 767 is worth $ 300-160 million (including taxes and duties)
        The narrowest and smallest shit ... A-319 is about $ 70 million !!!
        So everything is OK !!!
    3. Falcon
      Falcon 30 November 2015 15: 47
      +3
      Quote: Bongo
      This is how many ordinary passenger airliners for this money you can buy?


      Hello, Sergey!

      cheaper than civilian Boeing.
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 30 November 2015 16: 44
        +3
        Quote: Falcon
        Hello, Sergey!

        cheaper than civilian Boeing.

        Hi, Kirill! So, and the salaries of the majority of the population in our country are not like in the Boeing manufacturing country. At such a time, one must be more modest.
        1. Falcon
          Falcon 30 November 2015 21: 18
          0
          Quote: Bongo
          At such a time, one must be more modest.


          You touch upon heavy topics. You can discuss all night sad

  5. Diviz
    Diviz 30 November 2015 14: 18
    0
    When we will fly on it. Or is it a commercial plane.
    1. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 30 November 2015 14: 21
      +6
      After all, they wrote that this is a plane for the North Ossetia-Russia, a special flight detachment, which provides flights to senior government officials. So if you don’t enter the suite, then you don’t have to fly on it)
    2. Bongo
      Bongo 30 November 2015 14: 22
      +8
      Quote: DiViZ
      When we will fly on it.

      Me or you - never.
      Quote: DiViZ
      Or is it a commercial plane.

      Is it really not clear from the price tag for whom this plane is?

      Or do you think that such interiors are for you and me? The aircraft cabin is two-story, with two bedrooms, showers, a meeting room, a relaxation room and even with an office for resuscitation.
      1. Samaritan
        Samaritan 30 November 2015 14: 53
        +3
        And what kind of aircraft of this class and in such design do you buy abroad for 70 million $ ???
        the usual 767 is worth $ 300-160 million (including taxes and duties)
        The narrowest and smallest and 319 about $ 70 million !!!
        So everything is OK! !!
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 30 November 2015 14: 57
          +1
          Quote: Samaritan
          And what kind of aircraft of this class and in such design do you buy abroad for 70 million $ ???

          Excuse me, how many planes of this class are already in the presidential detachment? Or is it still not enough?
          1. Samaritan
            Samaritan 30 November 2015 15: 15
            0
            And in this vein, the question is, well, this is for you here: https: //ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_transport_header_states_and_pra
            governments
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          3. gjv
            gjv 30 November 2015 16: 13
            +2
            Quote: Bongo
            and how many aircraft of this class are already in the presidential detachment? Or is it still not enough?

            Quote: Bongo
            Is it really not clear from the price tag for whom this plane is?

            IL-96-300 "salon" is now 4 pieces for flights of the President and the Prime Minister, and they sometimes fly in different directions on the same day. Accordingly - two for the flight mission, two reserve.
            And the cost of such planes is certainly higher than the civilian passenger version would be. However, it is not at all because of the "salon" (the civilian salon is also expensive). The fact is that most of the units and parts of aircraft equipment for the Rossiya SLO pass through several types of non-destructive testing, run in, disassemble, again pass several types of non-destructive testing, are re-tested and only after "double-triple" testing are installed on the aircraft.
  6. Terrible_L.
    Terrible_L. 30 November 2015 14: 18
    0
    people who are in the subject, tell me why they are painted primarily in green? Is this something like a primer? is such a color caused by something?
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    2. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 30 November 2015 14: 26
      -1
      Apparently a backup customer - S7 smile
    3. Djclone
      Djclone 30 November 2015 14: 30
      0
      This is a corrosion-resistant coating, it is washed off before painting
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 30 November 2015 14: 38
        0
        Quote: Djclone
        This is a corrosion-resistant coating, it is washed off before painting

        Yeah, of course "Vanish"!
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 30 November 2015 14: 48
          0
          Yeah, of course "Vanish"!

          No, are you ... soap, tar.
      2. serguei
        serguei 30 November 2015 16: 18
        0
        Anodizing, not washed off
    4. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 November 2015 14: 32
      +6
      This is the natural color of the sheathing material. And different shades - different materials - aluminum alloys, steel, composites.
      1. Terrible_L.
        Terrible_L. 30 November 2015 15: 31
        0
        Thanks to all who answered! drinks as they say, live a century - learn a century)
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      3. gjv
        gjv 30 November 2015 16: 55
        +1
        Quote: Scary_L.
        why are they painted initially in green? Is this something like a primer?

        Quote: Wedmak
        This is the natural color of the sheathing material.

        So it is not quite "natural", but the result of the technological process. And the color is not entirely green.
        Duralumin is anodized, then the pores are clad with a layer of pure aluminum, then primed with EP-0208 (EP-0214, EP-0215) epoxy primer (used mainly for turbojet aircraft, followed by painting with epoxy or polyurethane enamel), or with AK-069 acrylic primer, AK-070 (acrylic primer, and, accordingly, painting, are mainly used for turboprop aircraft). The color turns out to be yellow or mustard yellow. In the pictures from a distance it looks like a "pistachio" green.
        Details from magnesium and titanium alloys are coated with a primer EP-076. The color is also mustard yellow.
        The final color of the aircraft receives after completion of flight tests.
        Quote: Djclone
        This is a corrosion-resistant coating, it is washed off before painting

        Oh how! This is why the primer is washed off before painting ?! No.
  7. NEXUS
    NEXUS 30 November 2015 14: 19
    +4
    All Ilyushin design bureau aircraft are very beautiful. So to say the classic aircraft industry. More recently, the question of what this aircraft will be refined was completely out of the question. Once I brought this handsome man to a small series, I think it’s not in vain. Now it’s up to the law and political will to push this Airbase and Boeing lobby. Although it’s clear that it will be so easy.
  8. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 30 November 2015 14: 21
    +7
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And here he would have new Perm engines,

    Do you mean PD-14? The IL-96 is equipped with more powerful PS-90A. And PD-14 is for the lighter MS-21. In general, 28 aircraft are very few. Ilyushin Il-86 was produced in my 160 pieces, not a single one remained. Yeltsin's son-in-law, Okulov, began to harass his own liners when he became the head of Aeroflot. And now, another leader, Savelyev, continues to buy only "bobiks" and "watermelons" taking into account personal interests.
    1. Djclone
      Djclone 30 November 2015 14: 35
      +1
      Theoretically, the family of PD engines will include an engine with a thrust of 18 tons, which would be enough for the IL-96. But no one will do this. The liner will never return to commercial operation, and for a dozen special boards, the savings will be insignificant in comparison with the cost of remotorization
    2. gjv
      gjv 30 November 2015 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: 16112014nk
      IL-86 was released in my 160 pieces, not a single one was left.

      A total of 106 pieces were released. 15 pieces remained in storage: IL-86 5148320101 1976 CCCP-86000, IL-86 51483203029 1983 RA-86062, IL-86 51483204033 1984 RA-86066, IL-86 51483206053 1986 RA-86082, IL-86 51483207068 1988 RA-86097 , IL-86 51483207069 1988 5A-DQB, IL-86 51483208071 1989 RA-86103, IL-86 51483208074 1989 RA-86106, IL-86 51483208077 1990 RA-86109, IL-86 51483209084 1991 UN-86116, IL-86 51483209085 1991 EK-86117, IL-86 51483210093 1992 RA-86125, IL-86 51483210096 1993 RA-86138, IL-86 51483210098 1993 RA-86139, IL-86 51483211103 1997 RA-86141. True, according to some, information 6 years ago, however, not all are still cut.
      The four generally had information that they were still flying. True, this is not civilian, but IL-86VKP.

      IL-86VKP 51483205046 1985 RF-93642 Russia (USSR) - Air Force, October 30, 2015, Pavel Fetisov (c)
      hi
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  9. From Samara
    From Samara 30 November 2015 14: 26
    +5
    And where is the Domestic Auto for the President? Something long rivet him!
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 November 2015 14: 38
      +3
      Quote: From Samara
      And where is the Domestic Auto for the President? Something long rivet him!



      It seems like they will soon show, but it is still far from the end.
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    3. Wedmak
      Wedmak 30 November 2015 14: 46
      0
      X-Ray limo will be. The world's first SUV limousine. wink
      1. Banshee
        Banshee 30 November 2015 14: 52
        +2
        Quote: From Samara
        And where is the Domestic Auto for the President? Something long rivet him!


        Well, we always had better planes ...
        1. Val_y
          Val_y 30 November 2015 15: 47
          +3
          Well, the cars for the first persons were also nothing, ZIL 41047 (in the center), ZIL 114 and GAZ 14, motorcycles "Dnepr-Escort", you must agree, everything has already happened, and very good, you need to revive it, and you can if you want. And it appeared along the way, so ... hi
          1. Not served
            Not served 30 November 2015 16: 18
            0
            On the Dnieper stood a rotary engine. Beast car.
  10. oreh72
    oreh72 30 November 2015 14: 28
    +1
    Quote: Wedmak
    What needs to be done so that Aeroflot starts buying these planes? Whom to shoot for used Boeing and airbuses?

    Probably the state has the political will and the controlling stake in Aeroflot.
  11. Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 30 November 2015 14: 56
    0
    So it was November 23, VO is late. smile
  12. Dobroslav2015
    Dobroslav2015 30 November 2015 14: 59
    +1
    I confirm that such a green "thing" regularly makes a U-turn over my place of work. I would like to see more different "gizmos" produced by the Voronezh Aviation Plant overhead.
    1. Terrible_L.
      Terrible_L. 30 November 2015 15: 34
      0
      Are they running a new board over the city? belay
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 30 November 2015 16: 07
        +1
        The plant almost within the city limits and when turning rounds touches city buildings ... just like when landing and taking off from Domodedovo and Vnukovo
  13. cap
    cap 30 November 2015 15: 05
    0
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: Didn't serve
    Specifically, Mr. Savelyev president of Aeroflot. By his order, the entire 96th fleet that Aeroflot had was put under the fence. It is economically not profitable for operation.

    laughing Well, yes, but buying a Boeing is economically profitable for the intermediary agent through whom these Boeing was bought, and if you take it from Novia, then they promise to give out 10% of the price in your pocket ... Well, the agents share with whom you need to

    Well, why give out corporate secrets. Everything is done for people. Let us recall who commanded Aeroflot and where he lives with his family now. I know and don’t speak.
    In general, our planes do not pass on environmental friendliness. Crows near the airfields from the exhaust die. bully
  14. Zubexcom
    Zubexcom 30 November 2015 15: 14
    0
    Good aircraft, reliable.
  15. nerpa
    nerpa 30 November 2015 15: 20
    +3
    Confrontation: IL-96-300 vs Boeing 767

    More recently (this spring) (specify the date of the article in the link) Aeroflot Airlines refused to operate Russian-made Il-96-300 aircraft.
    In support of this decision, Aeroflot stated that Russian Il-s are too expensive to operate compared to Boeing 767 aircraft. Read on at http://maxpark.com/community/5101/content/3455319
    1. Zubexcom
      Zubexcom 30 November 2015 15: 40
      +3
      Apparently, until Vladimir Putin again intervenes and will buy "Zabugorsk".
  16. Igor Polovodov
    Igor Polovodov 30 November 2015 15: 34
    0
    Handsome man! Decent glider infographic.
    Buowing -AT100y!
  17. Not served
    Not served 30 November 2015 16: 33
    0
    Quote: cap
    Quote: Corsair
    Quote: Didn't serve
    Specifically, Mr. Savelyev president of Aeroflot. By his order, the entire 96th fleet that Aeroflot had was put under the fence. It is economically not profitable for operation.

    laughing Well, yes, but buying a Boeing is economically profitable for the intermediary agent through whom these Boeing was bought, and if you take it from Novia, then they promise to give out 10% of the price in your pocket ... Well, the agents share with whom you need to

    Well, why give out corporate secrets. Everything is done for people. Let us recall who commanded Aeroflot and where he lives with his family now. I know and don’t speak.
    In general, our planes do not pass on environmental friendliness. Crows near the airfields from the exhaust die. bully

    And this is not my corporate secret and not close relatives. wink It’s just that this gentleman used to have nothing to do with civil aviation at all, he is an ordinary banker. Started with Menotep of St. Petersburg. Let's remember who else we have from Menatep.
  18. fa2998
    fa2998 30 November 2015 16: 45
    0
    Quote: Bongo
    Excuse me, how many planes of this class are already in the presidential detachment? Or is it still not enough?

    No, something in this country is a madhouse! We developed a wide-body aircraft from the 80s, upgraded it (from 86 to 96) and as a result only the presidential administration flies. What’s the point? Why multi-billion investments to make 10-20 pieces ! hi
  19. Valentine
    Valentine 30 November 2015 16: 46
    +3
    An excellent wide-body passenger plane. I flew on it from Norilsk-Alykel to Moscow and back. You sit in a chair at home, no noise, no pitching, no pits, and no transfers. So our OAK, under the pressure of "partners" and "competitors" from over the hill, it was forbidden to produce these aircraft in the passenger version, as environmentally unsuitable, and Gorbachev and Yeltsin for this the West
    stroked on the head. It is urgent to switch to these aircraft, especially since
    in a quarter of a century, since the beginning of their release, avionics has improved significantly, and
    can compete with Boeings.
  20. Valkh
    Valkh 30 November 2015 17: 40
    +1
    Lucky is the GDP and the government !!!!!!!!!! They fly on such planes, damn it!?! And the Russians were not lucky, we can’t fly on this !!!!!!
  21. Governor
    Governor 30 November 2015 19: 39
    0
    Quote: Valkh
    Lucky is the GDP and the government !!!!!!!!!! They fly on such planes, damn it!?! And the Russians were not lucky, we can’t fly on this !!!!!!

    Well, the best they’ve fitted to their loved ones ...
  22. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 30 November 2015 23: 04
    +1
    Aeroflot scumbags - and besides fuel consumption, do they still think anything?
    And with regards to the possible noise - and on the internal lines, is it really impossible to fly strictly on native planes?
    And with regards to fuel, how many taxes in kerosene% are so under 60, and why is it worse for the state that people fly on them?
    And if it’s beneficial for the state, who the hell is Aeroflot’s main shareholder?
    Zadolbali already.
    However, in fairness, as a resident of Voronezh, I’m not sure that the plant is able to dramatically increase production ...