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It was confirmed that two Turkish submarines are watching the guards missile cruiser "Moscow" off the coast of Syria

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Information Agency Interfax with reference to the Turkish media reports that the submarines of the Turkish Navy are on duty in the area of ​​the Russian Guards missile cruiser "Moscow" near the coast of Syria. Turkish publications have reported that at the moment there are two submarines in the eastern Mediterranean - the Dolunay S-352 (went to the November 11 patrol area) and the Buracreis S-359 (went to the November NN patrol area).


It was confirmed that two Turkish submarines are watching the guards missile cruiser "Moscow" off the coast of Syria


Recall that the missile cruiser "Moscow" provides cover for the Hmeymim airbase, on which the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Forces are located, and monitors the situation off the coast of the Syrian Arab Republic.

Recall that earlier the official representative of the Russian Navy said that the missile cruiser "Moscow" would destroy all targets that would be identified as representing a danger to the Hmeimim airbase and to the warship itself.

Turkish submarines following the activities of the Russian missile cruiser “Moscow” are armed with 8x533-mm TA. The Dolunay carries the 14 torpedoes of the SST series, the Buracreis 14 torpedoes DM2A4 or the Harpoon PKR. The crew of each - 38 people. The maximum depth of the dive is 280 m. The speed in the surface position is 10 knots, in the underwater position it is about 21,5 knots.

Radio equipment submarines of the Turkish Navy: Radar ONC.
Hydroacoustic armament: GUS: CSU-83, TAS-3.
Electronic warfare: RTR: Racal Porpoise.

Turkish diesel-electric submarines are of the German type "209".
Photos used:
http://nosikot.livejournal.com
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  1. win
    win 30 November 2015 13: 42
    49
    Ahhh how insolent Erdogan!
    He thinks that if Turkey joins NATO and even into the European Union, is everything possible for him?
    And no one will fight him back?
    Pulls to the border of 20 tanks to capture the C-400.
    Surrounded by two submarines, the cruiser "Moscow".
    Oh, how running up! ..
    Yes, it’s all muddled by the USA, USA, SCSSSSShShSHAAAA ...
    1. win
      win 30 November 2015 13: 46
      39
      Germany intends to achieve the construction of the second branch of the Nord Stream gas pipeline - in order to receive even more gas bypassing Ukraine and Eastern Europe.
      And again, these plans caused sharp discontent of the USA, USA, SSSSHSHAAA
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 30 November 2015 13: 49
        13
        Soak in the sea!

        Dunce - “Memento mori!”
        Coward - Instantly, at sea!
        (characters in the film "Prisoner of the Caucasus")
        laughing
        1. _Vladislav_
          _Vladislav_ 30 November 2015 13: 54
          45
          Quote: Siegen
          He thinks that if Turkey joins NATO and even into the European Union, is everything possible for him?
          And no one will fight him back?

          Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.
          In addition, the submarines were discovered, which means that our intelligence is on the alert and records the presence of the enemy.
          So everything will be as it should.

          PS
          Let them swim while. Who knows, maybe the Turks are not aware that some kind of "Ash" fixes them. And what is life, anything can be.
          1. the most important
            the most important 30 November 2015 14: 09
            18
            Quote: _Vladislav_
            In addition, the submarines were discovered, which means that our intelligence is on the alert and records the presence of the enemy.

            but not to arrange fishing ??? stun the fish ??? Shoot lightly in Syrian waters ??? But how will the explosions of deep bombs affect sonars ???
            1. paxil
              paxil 30 November 2015 14: 33
              15
              Quote: the most important
              but not to arrange fishing ??? stun the fish ???

              Yeah, we’ll shoot a little, we’ll blow something up. laughing
              1. aktanir
                aktanir 30 November 2015 15: 05
                26
                well, it's normal that Turkey monitors the situation at sea at its own borders using its fleet. The main thing is that Moskva should learn about the submarines circling around it not from ... Turkish newspapers, but from the data of its devices. And I hope the cruiser has something to prevent possible torpedo launches, as well as how to drown submarines in case of threats.
                1. Valentine
                  Valentine 30 November 2015 16: 18
                  28
                  In order to protect yourself from a sudden attack on our ships, you need to immediately issue a memorandum of caution if, in the event of an attack on any Russian vessel, adequate measures will be taken using any means of destruction, up to nuclear, both at the targets that struck and at to the state itself. Enough to threaten with a finger from around the corner and
                  engage in politics.
                  1. Alexey Boukin
                    Alexey Boukin 30 November 2015 16: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: Valentine
                    In order to protect yourself from a sudden attack on our ships, you need to immediately issue a memorandum of caution if, in the event of an attack on any Russian vessel, adequate measures will be taken using any means of destruction, up to nuclear, both at the targets that struck and at to the state itself. Enough to threaten with a finger from around the corner and
                    engage in politics.

                    So after all, this is what the Americans need - to unleash a war between Russia and NATO and thereby "kill two birds with one stone."
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak 30 November 2015 17: 07
                      0
                      Quote: Alexey Bukin
                      Americans of this and must unleash a war between Russia and NATO

                      It’s true, and so that there was an opportunity to accuse Russia of starting a war
                      1. Valentine
                        Valentine 30 November 2015 19: 08
                        +4
                        We are already blamed for all our sins, that of our, that of the states, that of Europe, we are everywhere to blame, and we will always be to blame, So one more sin, one less. America, how many wars did not unleash, in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Ukraine - and it’s not to blame anywhere. And how Turkey will fight with us, not having common
                        borders? Will close the straits, stop trading with us, withdraw its builders back?
                        Or will he lead his squadron to our shores?
                        Or will they bombard us with amers' Tamaghawks? Then, in response, they will receive a nuclear strike with surplus missiles that we have, except for those directed at the United States? So, guys, neither Europe nor Washington will complain about this, and Turkey will
                        with shovels, to rake nuclear ashes from the Bosphorus, the Americans will force.
                      2. Forest
                        Forest 30 November 2015 22: 18
                        -7
                        Nuclear strikes are unlikely to be, but the Turks can attack:
                        1) go to Syria and destroy our troops there (tank columns can reach Khmeimim in a day), and this will be a serious blow to Russia's reputation and military and political position in the world;
                        2) resort to the help of our "non-brothers" Ukrainians and Georgians, to lead the troops through their territory;
                        3) attack all NATO;
                        4) using his entire military and civilian fleet (possibly together with Ukraine) to attack Crimea, continue to act from it.
                      3. Nosgoth
                        Nosgoth 1 December 2015 17: 26
                        +2
                        What stupid fantasies. Despite the fact that in no case do you even admit Russia's response to hostilities. Here you are a storyteller.
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                2. mark2
                  mark2 30 November 2015 17: 11
                  +3
                  So after all, this is what the Americans need - to unleash a war between Russia and NATO and thereby "kill two birds with one stone."


                  Then change the memorandum a bit.

                  In order to protect yourself from a sudden attack on our ships, you need to immediately issue a memorandum of caution if, in the event of an attack on any Russian vessel, adequate measures will be taken using any means of destruction, up to nuclear, both at the targets that struck and at the state itself, trying to shit not in their outhouses.
                3. technical
                  technical 30 November 2015 23: 02
                  +1
                  Is the US not NATO? Therefore, first of all, it is necessary to hit the USA balls with a heavy tarpaulin boot, and then treat the teeth of their other allies.
                4. Maj.
                  Maj. 1 December 2015 00: 30
                  -1
                  You, the death carrier of hundreds and thousands.
                  Conscience, cruelly corrected freedom.
                  And this world has been carved more than once
                  That "democracy". Die, lost!

                  You hypocrisy to the brim full.
                  Thoughts bloody hiding verbiage.
                  Hey America! Die, shameful!
                  Woe no one will ever forget you.

                  How much crime can you do,
                  Holy believing in your impunity?
                  You disgust everyone.
                  Die America! That says it all.
                  Afterword:
                  And Russia as a feeble old woman only sighs, but threatens with a finger ...

                  Source: http://parnasse.ru/poetry/lyrics/civilian/sdohni-amerika.html
              2. Maj.
                Maj. 30 November 2015 20: 18
                -1
                Valentine, I absolutely agree with you.
              3. technical
                technical 30 November 2015 22: 56
                -2
                It seems that our gas and oil merchants so entangled the government, the president and the country as a whole, with their oil and gas pipelines hand and foot. Like a python your victim. That our authorities cannot even move, they just barely breathe and mumble, something that is little understood. I am a patriot of my homeland and my country, my people come first for me. Therefore, it is for my power and it is insulting.
          2. KUOLEMA
            KUOLEMA 30 November 2015 18: 04
            0
            The main thing is that the Turks do not consider the Mediterranean Sea as their body of water and do not torpedo Moscow more than sanctions they don’t seem to add
            1. KaPToC
              KaPToC 30 November 2015 18: 24
              +4
              The main thing is that during torpedoing as a result of a short circuit in the direction of Istanbul, a cruise missile with a nuclear warhead does not fly away.
          3. Sterlya
            Sterlya 30 November 2015 18: 18
            +1
            so it is necessary anti-submarine so that they are kept in sight, otherwise the cruiser can fire on the airplane, and these on it. From the Turks everything can be expected, the roof went completely from them.
            1. Evgeniy667b
              Evgeniy667b 30 November 2015 19: 01
              0
              And most of our anti-submarine forces are simply cut. They would first need to be restored in sufficient quantity, plus a certain number of underwater unmanned vehicles. And then one "Moscow" with a small escort has very high risks.
              By the way, Russia sold 20 "Varshavyank" cars to China, Vietnam, Algeria ... How would they be useful now !!! Those four that went into operation, well, do not give rise to euphoria. As some of our site colleagues put it. We need intense combat work, and this is above all !!!
        2. lukke
          lukke 30 November 2015 14: 58
          11
          but not to arrange fishing ???
          No, I’m sure that Moscow is also insured by more than one of our submarines.
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        4. tovaris_s
          tovaris_s 30 November 2015 20: 27
          -1
          Exactly so. It is urgent to organize "training bombing".
      2. Mahmut
        Mahmut 30 November 2015 14: 12
        34
        Maximum immersion depth - 280 m.

        Disorder, it would be necessary to deepen them.
      3. Darkoff
        Darkoff 30 November 2015 14: 19
        26
        In addition, the submarines were discovered, which means that our intelligence is on the alert and records the presence of the enemy.

        The information is not from our intelligence, but from the Turkish media.
        Interfax News Agency, citing Turkish media reports ...

        Our intelligence data will not be declassified soon.
        There, for sure, the entire Turkish Mediterranean fleet is on high alert.
        It would be strange if the Turks did not try to control the situation.
      4. Kalmar
        Kalmar 30 November 2015 14: 31
        19
        Quote: _Vladislav_
        Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.

        Surely not one? Su-24, too, was not the only one in Syria formally, so they caught it anyway. I hope that this time the military will take into account the experience gained and take care of the worthy escort of the "Moscow".
        1. Al_oriso
          Al_oriso 30 November 2015 14: 45
          0
          These submarines are very, very risky.
          It seems that while they do not pose a danger, while on their territory.
          1. KUOLEMA
            KUOLEMA 1 December 2015 20: 15
            +1
            The Turkish edition of Millyet posted material on the successful neutralization of the Russian S-400 air defense systems using the classified ultra-modern Koral electronic warfare system. It is reported that on December 1, the Turkish army deployed and activated new electronic systems that completely neutralized the danger of Russian air defense systems - this made the S-400 practically "deaf-blind."

            For information about the new system, journalists turned to the General Staff of the Turkish Army. There they explained that Koral works on the principle of suppressing the signal of enemy radars necessary for aiming missiles of various fire systems. The range of the Turkish complex covers 150 km, which exceeds the distance from the Syrian-Turkish border to the Russian air base Khmeimim. In addition, Koral is capable of suppressing signals of complexes not only on land, but also on air and sea based.
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 30 November 2015 14: 58
          -1
          Quote: Kalmar
          I hope that this time the military will take into account the experience gained and take care of the worthy escort of the "Moscow".

          The main maintainer is the SRB-6000 system
          1. 73bor
            73bor 30 November 2015 15: 23
            +4
            Did you mean RBU-6000 and "waterfall"?
      5. tomket
        tomket 30 November 2015 14: 56
        +4
        Quote: _Vladislav_
        Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.

        And then, no matter how it turned out that she walks there alone. The destroyers on a free hunt, the submarines saw, but who knew? Who expected even greater meanness?
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 1 December 2015 00: 31
          0
          Quote: tomket
          The destroyers on a free hunt, the submarines saw, but who knew? Who expected even greater meanness?

          And BOD on what ???
      6. NVVPOU
        NVVPOU 30 November 2015 14: 58
        +2
        That's right, Turkish submarines are floating, and ours are walking !!!
        1. Mera joota
          Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 46
          +2
          Quote: NVVPOU
          That's right, Turkish submarines are floating, and ours are walking !!!

          So then all the submarines are floating, under water, the subfloor is called ... ships go.
      7. BMP-2
        BMP-2 30 November 2015 15: 06
        +5
        Well, considering that the Turks are no longer "partners" for us, the situation with the plane should not be repeated ...
      8. aksakal
        aksakal 30 November 2015 15: 19
        +5
        Quote: _Vladislav_
        Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.

        - Why destroyers? There are "bepakashki" (BOD - large anti-submarine ships), they are just for the protection of naval formations from enemy submarines. The same "Admiral Kulakov" should be next to "Moscow"
      9. atalef
        atalef 30 November 2015 15: 48
        +4
        Quote: _Vladislav_
        Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.

        In fact, it no longer plays a role; the discovered submarine poses no danger.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 30 November 2015 15: 55
          +6
          Atalef glanced at your comments. Are you so suddenly imbued with the Russian Federation, or do you hate the Turks so much? Just at least a war-raiser draw from you.
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            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 November 2015 17: 23
              +7
              Quote: Lepila
              I will answer for myself. To the Russian Federation did not penetrate. Turks are our worst enemy, so I wish Russia success.

              For a civilized attitude to the work of our videoconferencing, as well as an understanding of the industrial, special thanks to Israel. hi
        2. Lone wolf
          Lone wolf 30 November 2015 16: 29
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: _Vladislav_
          Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.

          In fact, it no longer plays a role; the discovered submarine poses no danger.

          Well, yes, especially with the help of the media discovered .. they did not report the coordinates there for an hour ??
        3. avt
          avt 30 November 2015 16: 30
          +4
          Quote: atalef
          The detected submarine poses no danger.

          And who speaks for the discovered?
          Turkish publications report that there are currently two submarines in the eastern Mediterranean - S-352 Dolunay (entered the patrol area on November 11) and S-359 Burakreis (entered the patrol area on November 7).
          request And we have two old "Petrel" at the Black Sea Fleet, though originally imprisoned on the submarine and "the singing" old man "Sharp-witted", this is a question for
          Quote: tomket
          Destroyers on a free hunt,

          AND ! Also, Rostov-on-Don seems to be a minus of anti-submarine aircraft. Well, what kind of nuclear-powered ship is lost? The Germans are making quality boats and the project for the region is quite serious. The question is how the crew owns it? So it's too early to throw earflaps, although winter is on the calendar.
          1. atalef
            atalef 30 November 2015 17: 03
            +1
            Quote: avt
            And who speaks for the discovered?


            Do you doubt it?
            1. avt
              avt 30 November 2015 17: 39
              +1
              Quote: atalef
              Do you doubt it?

              I just don’t know.
          2. atalef
            atalef 30 November 2015 17: 03
            0
            Quote: avt
            And who speaks for the discovered?


            Do you doubt it?
        4. Mera joota
          Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 49
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          In fact, it no longer plays a role; the discovered submarine poses no danger.

          Where did you get the idea that they were found? This is the message of the Turkish media that two DEPLs are following Moscow, and not the message of Life News that two Turkish DEPLs were found ...

          German diesel-electric submarines are some of the best in the world and it is not easy to find them oh (given the ancient GAS of Moscow), then Israel is buying diesel-electric submarines from Germany, and not in the Russian Federation ...
      10. atalef
        atalef 30 November 2015 15: 48
        -1
        Quote: _Vladislav_
        Well, "Moscow" is not alone there, the destroyers to help.

        In fact, it no longer plays a role; the discovered submarine poses no danger.
      11. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 30 November 2015 17: 03
        0
        Quote: _Vladislav_
        not in the know that some sort of "Ash" fixes them.

        It is not at all necessary for this purpose to use Ashen. Not rational. There are easier tracking methods. And from the shore, into the sea there is no need to go.
      12. killganoff
        killganoff 30 November 2015 23: 33
        0
        Let them swim while. Who knows, maybe the Turks are not aware that some kind of "Ash" fixes them. And what is life, anything can be.

        Well, well, it's not bad to dream. This "Ash" as well as "Kuzya" does not get out of repair, without a tug from the pier does not leave.
  2. 44 World
    44 World 30 November 2015 14: 30
    +2
    Maximum immersion depth - 280 m.

    But this data will be determined by the depth of the sea, after meeting with "Moscow"
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  4. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 30 November 2015 15: 42
    0
    Flush without waiting for an attack. Then we say: - recorded the launch of two torpedoes, both missed, but we answered.
  5. opus
    opus 30 November 2015 15: 46
    +4
    Quote: Siegen
    And again, these plans provoked sharp discontent of the USA, USA, and the USA.

    why only usa?
    Nine countries The EU demanded that the issue of implementing the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline project be included in the agenda of the EU summit to be held in December


    Among the signatories of the letter to mainly eastern european countriesIn in particular, Poland and Slovakia.

    -----------------------
    Yatsenyuk: Nord Stream 2 will deprive Ukraine of $ 2 billion in profit
    On November 22, Prime Minister of Ukraine Arseniy Yatsenyuk recalled that Kiev urged Brussels to prevent the construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline, which deprives Ukraine of a gas transit fee of $ 2 billion a year.
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  • cniza
    cniza 30 November 2015 13: 47
    18
    Quote: Siegen
    Ahhh how insolent Erdogan!


    Yes, let them keep track of their health, it always has been so, if only they had no opportunity to attack.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 30 November 2015 13: 51
      31
      Quote: cniza
      ... if only they had no opportunity to attack.


      "Moscow" also has something to meet, it is not a barge with tomatoes.
    2. Skif83
      Skif83 30 November 2015 13: 58
      +1
      If only they did not have the opportunity to escape a retaliatory strike, and it is better to attack Moscow in general, if such a delusional thought occurred to them.
      1. 73bor
        73bor 30 November 2015 15: 26
        0
        Even if there is an opportunity, then "-you will not keep yourself waiting!" There will be no third!
    3. Dryuya2
      Dryuya2 30 November 2015 14: 00
      +4
      Quote: cniza
      Yes, let them keep track of their health,

      there is probably a queue at "NATA" - let me follow, let me follow laughing
      and I’m also sure that half of the world is waiting for the message of GDP to the Federal Assembly
      December 3 (if not rescheduled)
      1. the most important
        the most important 30 November 2015 15: 57
        0
        Quote: Dryuya2
        and I’m also sure that half of the world is waiting for the message of GDP to the Federal Assembly

        And the second half did not wait and already wrote a will ... belay
  • kil 31
    kil 31 30 November 2015 13: 47
    27
    In the case of entry into the Syrian terrorvody drown. Hope Assad permission we have
    1. kodxnumx
      kodxnumx 30 November 2015 13: 58
      +5
      If ours is already for these submarines vkurse, then apparently it is possible that as soon as they pass the line beyond which they can already be sank, I’m sure that sinking after us will not rust so to speak!
    2. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 30 November 2015 14: 01
      0
      Of course there is, he himself would be happy to disperse this klopovnik.
    3. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 26
      10
      Quote: keel 31
      Hope Assad permission we have



      Hmm ... In my opinion, Putin’s order is enough ... But he unequivocally said that EVERYTHING threatening both the airbase and the RK Moscow would be destroyed ...
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  • Tor5
    Tor5 30 November 2015 13: 56
    +1
    And we are not afraid of the "gray wolf!"
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    1. Vend
      Vend 30 November 2015 13: 59
      20
      And then suddenly a torpedo is accidentally fired. Turkish submariners can be as nervous as the pilots.
  • Starover_Z
    Starover_Z 30 November 2015 14: 02
    +2
    The Turkish submarines watching the activities of the Russian missile cruiser Moskva are armed ... Each crew has 38 people. The maximum immersion depth is 280 m. The speed in the surface position is 10 knots, in the underwater position it is about 21,5 knots.

    Decided to follow up or something else? Forgot how they were beaten under Chesme ?!
    What is the speed of immersion of a Turkish sub?
    Earlier, an official representative of the Russian Navy said that the Moscow missile cruiser would destroy all targets that would be identified as representing a danger to the Khmeimim air base and the warship itself.

    1. the villain
      the villain 1 December 2015 01: 01
      0
      Quote: Starover_Z
      What is the speed of immersion of a Turkish sub?

      And this, I think, depends on how many holes to make in it wassat
  • Vikings
    Vikings 30 November 2015 14: 06
    +7
    Quote: Siegen
    Ahhh how insolent Erdogan!
    He thinks that if Turkey joins NATO and even into the European Union, is everything possible for him?
    And no one will fight him back?
    Pulls to the border of 20 tanks to capture the C-400.
    Surrounded by two submarines, the cruiser "Moscow".
    Oh, how running up! ..
    Yes, it’s all muddled by the USA, USA, SCSSSSShShSHAAAA ...

    Drink some water and calm down! And what's so terrible? Or do you
    You see, who should not be monitored?
    at hour x it didn’t work out like with our su-24!
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    2. win
      win 1 December 2015 10: 59
      +2
      Drink some water and calm down! Or you
      Think who should not monitor the situation?


      And I served in OsNaz GRU and we monitored the whole "ball", but I was calm.
      And now I can’t calmly look at all this.
      Maybe old age is already ...
  • andre
    andre 30 November 2015 14: 11
    +4
    I think that our submarines are sailing nearby, the Turks do not see them, but they are there am
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    2. gjv
      gjv 30 November 2015 14: 20
      +2
      Quote: andre
      our submarines are sailing nearby, the Turks do not see them, but they are there

      And B-237 came to the base point on the Black Sea. Or is it still in the Mediterranean?
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 14: 15
    +5
    So, along with the Turkish plane, it will be necessary to sink the boats at the same time, without waiting for the torpedo.
  • volot-voin
    volot-voin 30 November 2015 14: 42
    +3
    Quote: Siegen
    Ahhh how insolent Erdogan!
    He thinks that if Turkey joins NATO and even into the European Union, is everything possible for him?

    Is it really so the hunt for the 3rd world start? I would sit calmly on my priest exactly, I would sell tour packages, vegetables, and Russian gas ..
    1. jjj
      jjj 30 November 2015 14: 49
      11
      By the way, the EU pays Turkey three billion euros like for refugees, but for some reason, exactly after the downing of our plane. It looks like paying for an order
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 30 November 2015 15: 32
      +9
      Quote: volot-voin
      Is it really so the hunt for the 3rd world start? I would sit calmly on my priest exactly, I would sell tour packages, vegetables, and Russian gas ..
      - here one analyst noted new trends in big politics - politicians look less and less at the money factor. Europe is in pain, but it keeps sanctions to its own detriment, Ukraine also does not look back at losses and destroys its industry, just to annoy Russia ... Russia itself, in terms of contempt for losses, is ahead of the whole planet ... So the Turks will not pay too much much attention to losses ... In short, the loss of capital ceased to play a big role, which is a pity, because capital possessed predictability - you threaten with losses and you already know how the one who is threatened with these losses will act. Specialists say - this is another sign of a truly revolutionary situation - well, apart from the beaten ones, "the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want to!" etc. The fall in the value of capital means that in the future it will not be particularly needed and at the present time it is possible and even necessary to abandon it, there is nothing to cling to the old, this is a suitcase without a handle.
      If this assumption is true, then it is economically useless to beat the Turks, it is better to have a military response, but in general you need to prepare for capital changes in the world that are close in scale to cataclysms. Everything will change - down to the scale of values ​​and even to mentality. And it’s hard to say, will it be us, middle-aged, comfortable in this new world? A bunch of questions, in short ...
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  • stas-xnumx
    stas-xnumx 30 November 2015 14: 56
    +3
    I wildly apologize, but do not underestimate the Turkish army, and this is not NATO, the Turks have a strong army, incl. fleet ... Turkey is a long-standing sea country .... And if the Bosphorus is covered, the kayuk is to our Black Sea Fleet, as if the urapatriots weren't yelling ....
    1. Vikings
      Vikings 30 November 2015 15: 33
      +1
      Oh, how wildly, I’m sorry, you can’t imagine
      yourself! No one underestimates the Tour Army and Navy! Well, what-
      If the straits overlap, then this is already an incident of Beili. With all
      the ensuing consequences. But at the expense of our C.F.
      Then take the trouble to remind me where all the fortune-tellers are? Who predicted the demise?
      Quote: stas-21127
      I wildly apologize, but do not underestimate the Turkish army, and this is not NATO, the Turks have a strong army, incl. fleet ... Turkey is a long-standing sea country .... And if the Bosphorus is covered, the kayuk is to our Black Sea Fleet, as if the urapatriots weren't yelling ....
    2. Urals
      Urals 30 November 2015 15: 35
      +5
      If the Bosphorus is blocked then Turkey’s kayuk. But I agree that the Black Sea Fleet needs to be strengthened.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 30 November 2015 16: 05
        +6
        Quote: Cis Ural
        The Bosphorus will be blocked by a Turkish kayuk.
        In fact, this is already a state of war and clearly not with IS.
        there is one essential detail in international law of the sea: if Turkey participates in the war or is at risk of imminent military danger, it is given the right, at its discretion, to allow or prohibit passage of any warships through the straits

        And here is the latest news
        The Turkish government has not officially announced the decision to block the Bosphorus and Dardanelles for Russian ships. However, in the last day, ships flying the Russian flag did not have access to this important transport artery. According to the official version, the Turkish military began "anti-terrorist maneuvers", in connection with which, the Turkish Navy blocked the straits for an indefinite period. Tracking systems for the movement of sea transport record small clusters of Russian ships in the Black and Mediterranean Seas

        And here is the response of our potential friends and allies
        Turkey and China, together with Kazakhstan, Azerbaijan and Georgia, have established a consortium to transport goods from China to Europe, bypassing Russia. The corresponding agreement was signed on November 28

        Obviously, the "strategists" in Turkey and in the West have forgotten that the neck of a Bosphorus bottle can be closed from both sides.
        1. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 30 November 2015 17: 12
          +7
          Well, here are the "allies" China and Kazakhstan! And if there is a war, will Kazakhstan fight for us or will it limit itself to "concern"? No matter how terrible, but only big problems will help us understand who our allies are.
          Are there any specialists on the site on the marine topic ... So far, apart from the slogans that the enemies need to be drowned, I didn’t understand anything ... Please answer who is in the subject, are we at least able to do something there ... I’m like a distant person I want to know the situation from naval affairs. It’s clear that we can weld a radioactive fish soup with luminous fish around Turkey ... But what is the fleet capable of?
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 30 November 2015 19: 33
            0
            Quote: Barkhan
            to fight for us Kazakhstan or will it be limited to "concern"?

            - There is a CSTO agreement, within its framework will be ... Just what's the point? The whole army of Kazakhstan - 40 thousand people, this is not even an army
            1. BARKHAN
              BARKHAN 30 November 2015 20: 58
              +5
              The Kazakhs are good warriors ... were anyway.
              40 thousand people in the right place can break the very straw that will curl the camel’s ridge ... And for one and the driver of this camel laughing
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 30 November 2015 15: 09
    +3
    Actually, it is worth strengthening anti-submarine weapons. Turks - they are "without a king in their head" capable of anything. It is necessary to have something to answer and, most importantly, to immediately, and not "chew snot" later. The answer should be as fast as possible.
    1. Valentine
      Valentine 30 November 2015 16: 56
      +1
      We have an army, a navy and a NUCLEAR WEAPON, which must be used with the smallest threat to Russia, and the USA and Europe
      and do not pickle for these basmachi.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 30 November 2015 15: 39
    +1
    Do we have anything anti-submarine?
  • 11 black
    11 black 30 November 2015 16: 10
    +5
    Quote: Siegen
    Pulls to the border of 20 tanks to capture the C-400.
    Surrounded by two submarines, the cruiser "Moscow".

    Well, Moscow has something to fight back from a torpedo attack, although if 16 torpedoes are fired in a volley, it will most likely be an arctic fox, but I'm sure our submariners are acting there, and even better to hang the IL 38 on a permanent basis over the cruiser so that even crazy thoughts do not arise. And about their ground grouping - all this is an excellent target for the "Pope of all bombs" if anything - so if we smile at the Turks and wave laughing
  • bmv04636
    bmv04636 30 November 2015 17: 35
    0
    the question is how many ours are there? Is there a submarine there? or the puddle is small
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    3. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 30 November 2015 18: 46
      -2
      Quote: bmv04636
      the question is how many ours are there? Is there a submarine there? or the puddle is small

      maximum "Rostov-on-Don" For atomic, the depth is too shallow
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 1 December 2015 01: 31
    0
    It was confirmed that two Turkish submarines are watching the guards missile cruiser "Moscow" off the coast of Syria

    It is not yet known who is following whom. If no one sees our submarines there, this does not mean at all that they are not there! So it is extremely premature to tremble over Moscow's vulnerability. yes
  • St Petrov
    St Petrov 30 November 2015 13: 42
    34
    I think our submarines are there too, just as long as no one knows about it

    Turks certainly behave like immortals

    1. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 30 November 2015 13: 47
      11
      atomic of course is unlikely ... the Mediterranean is cramped for them. But the last season's DPL - definitely
      1. Anton Gavrilov
        Anton Gavrilov 30 November 2015 13: 53
        18
        The Mediterranean for PLA itself is that enemy boats constantly carry databases there. And ours seem to happen occasionally, though like now xs.

        There, now RND is on its way to the Black Sea Fleet, it can provide Moscow with PLO for some time.

        But in general, a complete * opa with our fleet on the face, we are not in fact able to provide normal PLO to the cruiser, since normal ships with the corresponding capabilities on the Black Sea Fleet are almost dumb from the word at all.
        1. g1v2
          g1v2 30 November 2015 15: 53
          +7
          Of course, the Turks can sink Moscow - they have 14 deaths, 16 frigates and 8 corvettes. We are inquisitive near Moscow, and by his specialty he is anti-submarine, plus our BPC is relatively relatively - in case of exacerbation he will probably be in time. Plus, Rostov hid somewhere in the Mediterranean - unlike Novorossiysk, there is no light on his route. But of course the Turks will be able to sink with losses our cruiser. But then afterwards nothing good shines after them, even if our submarines from other fleets do not hang around in the middle-earth. TU22 in Juvo a lot, plus they can still relocate. 2 Buyan-m in Sevastopol, 3 in the Caspian, not counting the old 4 mrk. 6 IPCs with the Black Sea Fleet, plus 3 dill in reserve, plus 2 frigates (even if the Inquisitive are drowned with Moscow), which are pure anti-submariners, plus 1 DEP in the Black Sea Fleet and 1 in Middle Eastern. Plus, the Bastion and the front-line aviation - there is an aviation regiment in Morozovsk, su 34 were reorganized to the full complement - 36 aircraft. So, even if our squadron is sunk off the coast of Syria, the problems of the Turks will only begin, frigates and corvettes will not be able to do anything properly, and their deaths in the Black Sea will not go wild. But definitely the war is not profitable for us now, since we won’t get any prizes even in case of a quick victory. We don’t have common borders, so we won’t get hold of the land, the Turks don’t have much money, and there’s no desire to drag chestnuts from the fire for the sake of the Greeks, Armenians and other brothers.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 30 November 2015 15: 04
        +4
        Quote: Patriot 1
        crowded for them the Mediterranean.

        There is no "crowding" there. The area is 2,5 million square kilometers, the average depth is 1541 meters, the maximum depth is 5121 meters.
      3. kuz363
        kuz363 30 November 2015 15: 17
        0
        Yes, good. That poor "Kursk" about which Putin said - he drowned, just there he was watching the American AUG.
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 December 2015 01: 39
        0
        Quote: Patriot 1
        atomic of course is unlikely ... the Mediterranean is cramped for them. But the last season's DPL - definitely

        It’s a bit crowded? I didn’t know that the submarines are so huge lol
        Well, of course, there will be less American ones, they can easily fit into the Mediterranean Sea, and even maneuver themselves there! lol These small mattress nuclear submarines are in the composition of two American fleets, which take turns on duty or are on duty in the middle-earth (the 5th and 6th operational fleet), yes, I almost forgot, the 6th fleet still has an Aircraft Carrier in it (I have no idea how it fits there request ) lol
    2. a52333
      a52333 30 November 2015 13: 49
      +5
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      Turks certainly behave like immortals

      Judging by the fact that NOT ONE PLANE took off after c-400, you are mistaken.
      As soon as they find out that there Warsaw is swimming, the submarines will also evaporate
      1. Patriot 1
        Patriot 1 30 November 2015 13: 55
        +7
        Just do not swim, but walk smile
        1. a52333
          a52333 30 November 2015 13: 59
          +2
          Quote: Patriot 1
          Just do not swim, but walk

          sorry. Of course.
          1. sir_obs
            sir_obs 30 November 2015 23: 00
            +1
            Hmm. The diving school is called "scuba diving". So that kind of swim
        2. Mera joota
          Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 54
          +1
          Quote: Patriot 1
          Just do not swim, but walk smile

          It swims. Submariners swim.
        3. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 30 November 2015 20: 26
          0
          A ship is sailing, and a sailor is sailing.
          1. sir_obs
            sir_obs 30 November 2015 23: 01
            0
            But do sailors go to sea? Truth. We are infantry in the bushes, and sailors in the sea.
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      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 December 2015 01: 42
        0
        Quote: a52333
        As soon as they find out that there Warsaw is swimming, the submarines will also evaporate

        We have at the Black Sea Fleet just four latest submarines of this project. We are waiting for two more in the next two to three years. yes
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2015 13: 53
      13
      Quote: c-Petrov
      I think our submarines are there too, just as long as no one knows about it

      Turks certainly behave like immortals

      No matter how they behave, I think that in order for the Turks not to try to capture our airfield in Syria with all air defense systems and airplanes with a tank throw, it would be necessary to place a Tornado-S directed towards the Turkish border somewhere nearby.
      What about the submarine, you’re right, probably there are our Varshavyanki somewhere nearby these Turkish pelvis. But you can’t relax or indulge in hacking. The situation is heating up and considering the fact that Turkey is behind Washington, consider all the words and Ankara’s actions are extremely serious.
      1. Starley from the south
        Starley from the south 30 November 2015 14: 31
        +2
        I don’t know, I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that the enemy’s submarines are better not destroy our submarines, but destroyers. Nobody has canceled deep bombs, and now they are fired from launchers at a decent distance.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 14: 41
          +3
          Quote: Starley from the South
          I don’t know, I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that the enemy’s submarines are better not destroy our submarines, but destroyers. Nobody has canceled deep bombs, and now they are fired from launchers at a decent distance.

          There are no destroyers at the Black Sea Fleet. And the submarines are not bad at coping with the task of destroying adversary boats. In addition, Moscow has something to comb these pelvis.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 December 2015 01: 59
          0
          Quote: Starley from the South
          I don’t know, I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that the enemy’s submarines are better not destroy our submarines, but destroyers. Nobody has canceled deep bombs, and now they are fired from launchers at a decent distance.

          On multipurpose submarines, torpedoes for these purposes have long been used.
      2. veksha50
        veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 33
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        and our Varshavyankи


        There, if there is one Varshavyanka - it’s only Rostov-on-Don ...

        But, in fact, after the launch of the Caliber, in any case, he had to go to Novorossiysk or Sevastopol to replenish the ammunition ...

        And they need attack submarines, that is, "fighter-predator-hunters" ... The missile carriers themselves need an ASW, so they are always accompanied by shock submarines ...
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 14: 44
          +4
          Quote: veksha50

          And they need attack submarines, that is, "fighter-predator-hunters" ... The missile carriers themselves need an ASW, so they are always accompanied by shock submarines ...

          Rostov-on-Don may have gone to replenish ammunition, but do you really think that the Black Sea Fleet flagship was left without underwater cover? As for the "hunters", I doubt their transfer to the shores of Syria. fight against submarines than that of the same submarine.
          Best regards hi
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 30 November 2015 16: 17
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            As for the "hunters", I doubt their transfer to the shores of Syria.It’s easier to ship the destroyer there, he has more tools to deal with submarines than the same submarines



            Easier - it is on paper, but in reality, do we have a lot of good destroyers? And again - where to transfer ???

            Yes, from the same SF ... hi
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 November 2015 16: 29
              +3
              Quote: veksha50

              Easier - it is on paper, but in reality, do we have a lot of good destroyers? And again - where to transfer ???

              Yes, from the same SF ...

              You are right about "it is easier on paper", but it is better to do something than to get a new sabotage from the Turks, only this time at sea.
              Therefore, I also consider the transfer of the destroyer as a likely step.
              Best regards hi
      3. ssergn
        ssergn 30 November 2015 15: 04
        +3
        Quote: NEXUS
        so that the Turks did not try to take a tank throw to capture our airfield in Syria with all air defense systems


        The best cure for this is just our turntables. Against tanks, tornadoes will be more effective. Well, for the SU-24 heap, they can also provide big gifts for tanks.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 15: 09
          +3
          Quote: ssergn
          The best cure for this is just our turntables. Against tanks, tornadoes will be more effective. Well, for the SU-24 heap, they can also provide big gifts for tanks.

          Turntables are good, but the action of Tornado-C is 90-100 km ... that is, while Turkish tanks "with their hair back" make a 40-kilometer throw, our multiple launch rocket systems will shred them into a very small venegrette. our turntables.
          Why put our pilots at extra risk, if possible at a distance, without risking to shoot all this Turkish gang-watering can?
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      5. bocsman
        bocsman 30 November 2015 15: 05
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        .The situation is heating up, taking into account the fact that Washington is behind Turkey, to consider all the words and actions of Ankara very seriously.


        In my opinion you need to clearly say. Gentlemen from Washington, as soon as another provocation from your allies follows, wait for a retaliatory strike on your territory!
      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 December 2015 01: 50
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        No matter how they behave, I think that in order for the Turks not to try to capture our airfield in Syria with all air defense systems and airplanes with a tank throw, it would be necessary to place a Tornado-S somewhere nearby

        What for??? There are more than 100 aircraft, most of which are bombers! Do you know what happens to a tank if a 500-pound aviation gift falls nearby?
        Quote: NEXUS
        Washington stands behind Turkey

        I think you're right. All these words of condemnation towards Erdogan are from bluff euro partners. But Obama, he didn’t even bend his face, stupidly supported Ottoman. request
    4. ava09
      ava09 30 November 2015 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      I think our submarines are there too, just as long as no one knows about it


      The tasks and capabilities of the nuclear submarines do not coincide somewhat with the given theater of operations and the Turkish forces present there. Submarine hunters are not designed to deal with non-nuclear submarines in the coastal zone, multi-purpose and strategists all the more. And shoot the sparrows from the cannon, probably except for you, there is no one who wants to ... Return to reality. -)
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 30 November 2015 15: 06
        +4
        Quote: ava09
        Submarine hunters are not designed to deal with non-nuclear submarines in the coastal zone, multi-purpose and strategists all the more.

        Just the tasks of multipurpose nuclear submarines are to search and, if necessary, destroy enemy submarines and ships in the seas and oceans.
        1. Corsair
          Corsair 30 November 2015 16: 59
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Just the tasks of multipurpose nuclear submarines are to search and, if necessary, destroy enemy submarines and ships in the seas and oceans.

          belay Yes??? And I thought they are carriers for strategic nuclear weapons, surf the oceans near the continent with a "special nation" and the Arctic Ocean.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 30 November 2015 17: 45
            +1
            Quote: Corsair
            Yes??? And I thought they are carriers for strategic nuclear weapons, surf the oceans near the continent with a "special nation" and the Arctic Ocean.

            There are submarines with ballistic missiles (RPKSN- strategic missile submarine cruiser: Borey, Dolphin, Alkula).
            There are multipurpose submarines for combating enemy ships and submarines (Shchuka-B, Yasen, Kondor, Barakuda) and for launching cruise missiles by land (they can carry cruise missiles with special warheads, for example, the Soviet subsonic cruise missile Grenade, launched through a torpedo the device could hit targets at a range of 3000 kilometers, a warhead of 250 kilotons).
      2. Valentine
        Valentine 30 November 2015 17: 07
        +2
        Why shoot at "sparrows" when there is the Bosphorus and the Dardanelles, Istanbul and Ankara. This is only in the event of a war with Turkey, we have no other choice, and the United States does not move, they
        the Janissaries are also tired.
    5. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 29
      0
      Quote: s-t Petrov
      I think our submarines are there too, just as long as no one knows about it



      Of the drums - at least one ... And I think she has been holding them for a long time ...
    6. An64
      An64 30 November 2015 18: 29
      0
      Get to our ships, incl. PL, in the Mediterranean Sea it is possible through the Turkish Straits, Gibraltar or through the Suez Canal - so that everyone knows everything ...
  • Engineer
    Engineer 30 November 2015 13: 45
    +3
    Sink both.
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 30 November 2015 13: 56
      +4
      Quote: Engineer
      Sink both.

      Yes, at least pick up a Ka-27 from the "Moscow" and shoo the bassoons with a couple of grenades.
  • Koresh
    Koresh 30 November 2015 13: 47
    +8
    There is a task now for the Navy special forces to introduce the Turkish boats to the seabed of the azure coast of Syria.
  • passerby1
    passerby1 30 November 2015 13: 47
    -3
    Now the cruiser will be drowned, and in order to prevent World War III from banning, besides tomatoes, we will also import zucchini into Russia and we will continue to puff out our cheeks and pretend that everything is going according to plan.
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 30 November 2015 13: 49
      46
      If you want war, then either to Donbass, or to Syria as a volunteer.

      Why all this agitation for the start of 3MB?

      Want to fight - a lot of opportunities. Two fronts only in our country

      With each quarter, hundreds of new units of equipment enter the troops. The later the kneading begins, the stronger our legs will be. No one will dare to sink the Cruiser Moscow, because there is a special cargo on board it. He will sink for several minutes at least - therefore, a special cargo and cools his head.

      The charge will reach Ankara before the deck goes under water

      1. passerby1
        passerby1 30 November 2015 14: 05
        -1
        I already wrote here, but there are a lot of articles, so I will repeat myself. Recently, I argued with one person about what answer Russia should give to the destruction of Turkey's Su 24, he also believed that we should not give a military answer, since this could lead to war, and then I asked him a question to which he did not was able to give an answer. And the question sounded like this, "Do you think it is hypocritical to send our planes and our pilots to war with the barmaley (and not only with ISIS, we bomb everyone there who is against Assad), which is supported by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the EU , USA, i.e. half of the world, and when planes are shot down, and pilots are killed, we prohibit the import of cowards from the country that killed our pilot and shot down our plane, arguing that we cannot give a military response, we do not want wars? " We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a NATO member, and when they are killed, in fact, we do nothing, arguing that we do not want war. Can you answer this question?
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 30 November 2015 14: 44
          +9
          Quote: passerby1
          And the question sounded like this, "Don't you think it is hypocritical to send our planes and our pilots to the war with the Barmaley (and not only with ISIS, we are bombing everyone who is against Assad there), who are supported by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, the EU? , USA, i.e. half the world, and when planes are shot down and pilots are killed, we prohibit the import of cowards from the country that killed our pilot and shot down our plane, arguing that we cannot give a military response, we do not want wars? " We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a NATO member, and when they are killed, in fact, we do nothing, arguing that we do not want war.

          This is not hypocrisy. A sober understanding of the existing world order and all the dangers of escalating the war.
          Let me remind you that the much more powerful USSR did not hammer in the Stone Age and did not vitrify Pakistan for the attacks of the Air Force packs on our aircraft. True, at the same time, our Air Force did everything possible to prevent attacks on the IBA / SHA - cutting circles near the border, a couple of other MiG-23s noticeably cooled hot heads on the other side of the ribbon.
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 15: 26
            -7
            Those. You want to say that we soberly understand the existing world order and send our military to bomb the barmalei, who are supported by a NATO member country, knowing in advance that when the Turks of our military begin to kill, we will not do anything? This behavior casts doubt on the soundness of the minds of those who do so. Maybe it's easier just to order our military to commit suicide, will it be much cheaper?
            1. just exp
              just exp 30 November 2015 15: 52
              +4
              You can commit suicide, the Homeland will not notice it. and that in fact, a precedent has been created, all the Turks are informally recognized as the aggressor, but they will harness themselves after they figured out how it really would not. but if the Turks once again soak off this, then I would very much like to see your photo in the forefront in the line at the military registration and enlistment office for mobilization.
              Will you go to war with Turkey or will you help them morally in the internet? Well, there’s a battle like, a bold retweet, a daring repost?
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 30 November 2015 16: 20
                -2
                I understand that in the circle of "smart" people to whom you undoubtedly belong, it is accepted in the absence of arguments and arguments to respond with rudeness. This course of action undoubtedly testifies to your intelligence and ingenuity.
            2. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 30 November 2015 18: 27
              +2
              Quote: passerby1
              Those. You want to say that we soberly understand the existing world order and send our military to bomb the barmalei, who are supported by a NATO member country, knowing in advance that when the Turks of our military begin to kill, we will not do anything?

              No. As I already wrote, the group included Su-30 fighters. According to the experience of the last war, the mere presence of a pair of fighters in the zone near the border ensured the safety of our attackers from attacks by the adjacent side's air forces.
              One question remains - why the Su-30 was not in this particular case. And anyway, who invented to drive them to work on the ground - instead of instead of performing the main task?

              It seems that some people confused the cause with the investigation and decided that since there were no attacks on the adjacent side of the Air Force, there was nothing to drive the Su-30 to cover. Absolutely not realizing that the reason for the lack of attacks was precisely the presence of IA in the air.
        2. Starley from the south
          Starley from the south 30 November 2015 14: 51
          +6
          Quote: passerby1
          We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a member of NATO, and when they are killed, we essentially do nothing, motivating it with the fact that we do not want a war. You can answer this question.

          Why give an immediate answer, a military response. Our answer, so far, it seems to me, gives the Turks an opportunity to change their minds (although there is almost no hope for that), but on the other hand, we have a free hand. Now you can shoot down everything, not only Turkish, which we consider dangerous. And the oil business of Erdogan's family went down from our downed plane, as before. The Turks shot down our plane because they were powerless to help the terrorists. And the situation of the latter did not improve, but worsened. Therefore, the Turks will look for more opportunities to arrange another provocation. But forewarned - forearmed. I have no doubt that some objects in Turkey have already been jammed as targets for our Calibers and missiles on strategic bombers, and they will fly to their destination at hour "H". After all, Shoigu and Gerasimov do not give the impression of short-sighted people, not to mention the Supreme Commander-in-Chief.
        3. berkut9737
          berkut9737 30 November 2015 15: 44
          -7
          And the question sounded like this, "Don't you think it is hypocritical to send our planes and our pilots to war with the Barmaley (and not only with ISIS, we bomb everyone there who is against Assad), who are supported by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the EU? , USA, i.e. half the world, and when planes are shot down and pilots are killed, we prohibit the import of cowards from the country that killed our pilot and shot down our plane, arguing that we cannot give a military response, we do not want wars? "

          Our rulers have no answer to this question. They "calculated everything" and did not plan any sacrifices. The operation in Syria was supposed to be an easy walk in their minds, which was supposed to raise Putin's rating and bring huge profits from contracts with the Syrian government to a narrow circle of people. They thought that Erdogan was firmly seated on their golden leash, but they were wrong. They made a mistake, but now they are getting out.
          1. Valentine
            Valentine 30 November 2015 17: 26
            +1
            I put you, Berkut, a fat minus for your lump. It was you at the computer who did not "plan" any victims, and those guys who are now in Syria knew perfectly well what they were doing, but you cannot understand this, you are completely different
            "material".
          2. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 30 November 2015 20: 34
            0
            Turkey and NATO are twisting out, and GDP is waiting.
        4. kuz363
          kuz363 30 November 2015 15: 45
          0
          Your friend is right. And all because it is worth starting a world war
          because of one plane? And even because of two or more? In which there will be no winners. Because in a conventional war, Russia loses to NATO, not to mention the United States. Both technically and mobilization reserves. Well, what can I say, if the US Air Force exceeds Russia by a factor of 4, and by the availability of combat-ready aircraft - by 2 times. And this does not take into account the rest of the NATO countries! One can not speak about the current economy of Russia. Well, in this case, I think that if a Turkish plane were shot down immediately, then nothing would have happened. But it was right after the attack, and this particular plane. And the brave generals, who prepared colorful victorious reports to Putin and did not provide cover, were guilty before. And if time has passed, then Russia will already act as an aggressor in the eyes of the whole world. And there will be no victory. And to block Russia in Syria is the easiest. Turkey will block the Bosphorus, England - Gibraltar. SSA from the Arabian Sea will make a no-fly zone over Iran. And that’s all.
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 16: 43
            +1
            You have not answered the question. Is this hypocrisy or not? As for the war, in my opinion it is our inaction and fear of giving a military response to aggression against our military that is the direct road to war. As soon as the NATO member countries have confidence that Russia will not dare to give a military response in response to an attack on its military, war will become inevitable.
        5. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 December 2015 02: 18
          0
          Quote: passerby1
          We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a member of NATO, and when they are killed, we essentially do nothing, motivating it with the fact that we do not want a war. Can you answer this question?

          There is a saying: A blow to your pocket is much more complete than a blow to the bread!
          Before offering (and essentially engaging) military operations against Turkey, it is necessary to understand who is really to blame for everything. And this is just Erdogan and his family. So why do we need to unleash an international military conflict if we can punish the bastard himself by depriving him of free oil and income from the construction business in the Russian Federation? Can you answer this question?
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      3. kuz363
        kuz363 30 November 2015 15: 24
        0
        And what is a special cargo? If nuclear weapons are meant, then on surface ships it cannot be. There are anti-ship missiles with a conventional charge, torpedoes and air defense. Because it is forbidden by contracts. Submarines, aircraft, ground forces - please.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 1 December 2015 02: 26
          0
          Quote: kuz363
          And what is a special cargo? If nuclear weapons are meant, then on surface ships it cannot be.

          The anti-ship missiles P-1000 "Vulcan" of the cruiser "Moskva" are technologically capable of being equipped with nuclear warheads. Tell me further?
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    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2015 14: 06
      +9
      Quote: passerby1
      Now the cruiser will be drowned, and in order to prevent World War III from banning, besides tomatoes, we will also import zucchini into Russia and we will continue to puff out our cheeks and pretend that everything is going according to plan.

      Let's start with the fact that it is not so easy to sink a cruiser and not every submarine is tough. Secondly, read the commander-in-chief's order carefully, to destroy everything that poses a threat ... and why did you decide that this only applies to aircraft? Certainly the captain of Moscow keeps an eye on Turkish submarines, and they, in turn, do not fit within the launch range of our complexes. At the same time, I am sure that these submarines "lead" our Varshavyankas too, because such a class of ships as the cruiser Moscow, they simply do not go without a "retinue".
      1. 31rus
        31rus 30 November 2015 14: 20
        +2
        Dear NEXUS, I would agree with you, before the downed plane, the same assured "we are ready to develop any situations", but what did you get?
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 14: 28
          +8
          Quote: 31rus
          Dear NEXUS, I would agree with you, before the downed plane, the same assured "we are ready to develop any situations", but what did you get?

          Dear 31rus, you can agree or disagree with my opinion. But before the bomb hit, agreements were signed with the NATO side, which includes Turkey, and therefore, this diversion was unexpected. Israel did not bring down our plane.
          Now the situation is different, because it is clear to everyone that all the signed documents for Erdogan are just pieces of paper for their intended use, and therefore, now, our analysts and the military are calculating ANY options for the development of events and, accordingly, take steps to ensure that no more sabotage passes.
          Best regards hi
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 16: 45
            -4
            You are right in one thing, now the situation is different, now everyone understood that Russia is afraid to give a military response to the attack on its military.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 November 2015 17: 17
              +3
              Quote: passerby1
              You are right in one thing, now the situation is different, now everyone understood that Russia is afraid to give a military response to the attack on its military.

              What’s the reason for this conclusion? I’m just saying the opposite: in the event of an attempt of aggression by Turkey, there will be no indulgences anymore and Russia will be ahead of schedule. That was voiced by our Defense Ministry and the GDP — to destroy everything that would be a threat. ..
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 30 November 2015 18: 13
                +1
                So far, practice shows that no answers, and even more so strikes ahead of the curve, are expected. At best, we will prohibit importing anything else, although this is not a fact “on the eve of the holidays” as Kommersant wrote.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 27
                  +1
                  Quote: passerby1
                  So far, practice shows that no answers, and even more so strikes ahead of the curve, are expected. At best, we will prohibit importing anything else, although this is not a fact “on the eve of the holidays” as Kommersant wrote.

                  You read the tabloid press less. Now there are no military answers, there are no attempts of aggression by the Turks. But I repeat, it is still. The Saudis with Qatar conceived a ground operation in a compartment with the Turks in Syria. And if they try to do this, it will be and a military response, to which we, unlike the moment when our bomber was shot down, are ready. hi
                  1. passerby1
                    passerby1 30 November 2015 19: 59
                    -1
                    Kommersant is far from being a tabloid press, but a highly respected publication.
            2. serezhasoldatow
              serezhasoldatow 30 November 2015 20: 37
              0
              Our answer is S-400, etc. etc. And you like ...
      2. 31rus
        31rus 30 November 2015 14: 20
        0
        Dear NEXUS, I would agree with you, before the downed plane, the same assured "we are ready to develop any situations", but what did you get?
      3. passerby1
        passerby1 30 November 2015 14: 22
        -8
        I already wrote here, but did not receive an answer, so I will repeat it again. Recently, I argued with one person about what answer Russia should give to the destruction of Turkey's Su 24, he also believed that we should not give a military answer, since this could lead to war, and then I asked him a question to which he did not was able to give an answer. And the question sounded like this, "Don't you think it is hypocritical to send our planes and our pilots to war with the Barmaley (and not only with ISIS, we bomb everyone there who is against Assad), who are supported by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the EU? , USA, i.e. half the world, and when planes are shot down and pilots are killed, we prohibit the import of cowards from the country that killed our pilot and shot down our plane, arguing that we cannot give a military response, we do not want wars? " We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a NATO member, and when they are killed, in fact, we do nothing, arguing that we do not want war. Can you answer this question?
        1. R-140
          R-140 30 November 2015 14: 51
          +6
          Yes, understand that they want war and want to think about it. Do not rush. There are other levers so far. And we always have time to open the war. After all, we don’t even know half the subtleties, but we want to cut it off our shoulders. I think our president knows what to do.
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 15: 38
            -5
            Have you ever read what I wrote above? We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a member of NATO, and when they are killed, we essentially do nothing, motivating it with the fact that we do not want a war. If we do not want war, why do we send our military there? We did not know that the Turks support the terrorists? No, we knew that very well. Thought they dare not attack? They dared, attacked, and now they are also convinced that this attack would get away with them, that we would not dare to answer the country, a member of NATO, and yes, in fact, did not dare, did not answer. It is such a course of action that is the direct path to war. I once wrote that as soon as the majority of the inhabitants of the world believe that no one dares to use nuclear weapons, a nuclear war will become inevitable. The same can be said about the current situation, as soon as the majority of NATO member countries believe that an attack on the Russian military with impunity will become inevitable.
            1. Bayun
              Bayun 30 November 2015 23: 02
              0
              Are you ready for mobilization? Or how ... I’ll answer for myself: I’m not torn, and I don’t want it, but if necessary, I’m ready. It is better to practice sophism at the department of philosophy. And here people, to put it mildly - are SPECIFIC.
        2. yuriy55
          yuriy55 30 November 2015 14: 52
          +5
          Quote: passerby1
          I already wrote here, but did not receive a response ...


          To your incorrectly posed question I give you my incorrect answer:

          For now, I repeat, for now, we are doing what we are participating in the military operation against Daesh at the request of the legitimate ruler of Syria.
          The incident with the Su-24 occurred only because Russia believed in the sincerity of the intentions of the coalition led by the United States and turned its back on them.
          The correct answer was given by the country's leadership, having stopped contacts with Turkey and curtailed all sorts of ties and relations with it.
          In order for the VKS answer to be heard, you just need to run to the Turkish border and persuade the Turkish pilots to cross the border with Syria. I assure you, you will see the answer with the naked eye ...
          soldier
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 15: 42
            -2
            An episode of this kind became inevitable as soon as we began to bombard the barmalei, who are supported by Turkey and other US allies in the Middle East. We didn’t know about this support. No, we knew it very well. Thought they dare not attack? They dared, attacked, and now they are also convinced that this attack would get away with them, that we would not dare to answer the country, a member of NATO, and yes, in fact, did not dare, did not answer. It is such a course of action that is the direct path to war. I once wrote that as soon as the majority of the inhabitants of the world believe that no one dares to use nuclear weapons, a nuclear war will become inevitable. The same can be said about the current situation, as soon as the majority of NATO member countries believe that an attack on the Russian military with impunity will become inevitable.
        3. Darkoff
          Darkoff 30 November 2015 14: 55
          +2
          I already wrote here, but did not receive an answer, so I repeat again.

          I do not consider hypocrisy. Naivety in the matter of unpredictability, arrogance, and the LYCEPHYMY of coalition members - yes. As a result: a flaw in the safety plan of our pilots - yes. Reluctance to start a war, albeit with an unfriendly, but legitimate and full-fledged state member of NATO - yes.
          There are shortcomings, even initial ones. No hypocrisy.
          We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by the country, a member of NATO, and when they are killed, in fact we do nothing

          A lot has been done. In addition to tomatoes and underpants, there are much more serious issues: a blow to the Turkish construction business, which occupies up to a third of our market, the closure of tourism (billions of dollars). On the Kurdish issue, I think our authorities will not be distributed, but the work will go intensive here. So far, news has arrived that after the deployment of the S-400 Turkish planes stopped flying. The baboons (and if not for them, ours would not have died) who shot the pilots were destroyed, and their area of ​​residence was cleaned up. You can’t list everything. Economic and political measures are clearly directed against the Erdogan regime. Is this not enough?
          Questions to ask and criticize a lot of the mind is not necessary. Now answer you: what else must we do?
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 16: 57
            -5
            You do not see a contradiction in your position? On the one hand, you agree that we will send our military to WAR from the barmalei, which is supported by a NATO member country, and on the other, say that we do not want war. As for the sanctions, confining ourselves only to them, we made it clear to everyone that we will not give a military response to the attack of a NATO member country on our military. Thus, we simply made several steps at once to meet the great war. As soon as NATO member countries are convinced that Russia is afraid to give a military response to an attack on its military, war will become inevitable.
            1. Darkoff
              Darkoff 30 November 2015 19: 32
              +1
              You do not see a contradiction in your position? On the one hand, you agree that we will send our military to WAR from the barmalei, which is supported by a NATO member country, and on the other, say that we do not want war. As for the sanctions, confining ourselves only to them, we made it clear to everyone that we will not give a military response to the attack of a NATO member country on our military. Thus, we simply made several steps at once to meet the great war. As soon as NATO member countries are convinced that Russia is afraid to give a military response to an attack on its military, war will become inevitable.

              Only developed people not by age measure everything with extreme categories: "either so or not how."
              And the relationship between people, and, especially, countries is much more complicated.
              Everyone here answers you, they try, but you evade the answer. It should be a shame!
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 30 November 2015 19: 53
                0
                Sorry I didn't notice your question. Immediately after the destruction of the Su 24, I would have hit the Turkish Air Force base with Caliber, and after that I could sit down at the negotiating table. Economic measures can complement, but not replace, military ones. Moreover, as RBC has now written, the EU has promised to compensate the Turks for losses from Russian sanctions. By the way, you also did not answer the question about the contradictions in your position.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 30 November 2015 20: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: passerby1
                  Sorry I didn't notice your question. Immediately after the destruction of the Su 24, I would hit the Turkish Air Force base with "Calibers"

                  We do not have so many Caliber carriers so far to "give Calibers" such a density in the swarm so that missiles break through to the targets. And secondly, the number of CDs is limited and it is simply not rational to use them against any targets, taking into account the price each of them.
                  Turkey has interceptor fighters that would simply intercept our salvo. And therefore, they did not hit with Caliber. hi
                  1. passerby1
                    passerby1 30 November 2015 21: 06
                    -3
                    It is enough that in one salvo there were at least 40 sea-based "Calibers" and at least the same number of X 555 and X101 airborne. In the absence of something like the MiG 31 and outdated Hawk-type air defense complexes in Turkey, it is more than enough to guarantee the coverage of one Air Force base, as for the price, after the strikes on the Babai in Syria, this argument is simply ridiculous.
        4. g1v2
          g1v2 30 November 2015 16: 05
          +3
          Easy . All statements, articles in the media and so on are informational support - there is little semantic load. War is a continuation of politics by other means and the price is only one question - WHAT'S FAVORABLE. Which will make her stronger. and which is weaker. If the war strengthens its position and power, weakens the enemy, etc., then it makes sense to start it. If war makes the country weaker and does not give any bonus, then it is worth avoiding it. True, there is an option when the enemy believes that the war is very profitable for him and then it will not work to evade it. The ban on imports of underpants and tomatoes is beneficial to us and our companies, but not to the Turks, so we are happy to introduce it. And the export of our gas to Turkey is unprofitable for both parties, therefore, it is silent about it. The economy is closely tied to politics and no matter how strange it sounds, but when planning tactics, strategy, military operations and retaliatory actions, those who make decisions think about the production of cowards as well. hi
        5. Corsair
          Corsair 30 November 2015 17: 22
          +3
          Quote: passerby1
          We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a member of NATO, and when they are killed, we essentially do nothing, motivating it with the fact that we do not want a war. Can you answer this question?

          Let me try to answer you this question, you have already asked it so many times.
          1. Let's start with the main thing - the Armed Forces have a commander in chief and a whole generals who decide how to do the right thing and not spoil the fever in a given situation, think over and analyze the chances of success, defeat and effectiveness.
          2. Turkey is a member of NATO, as already mentioned above, any action on the territory of Turkey by our aerospace forces is an opportunity to receive serious escalation with the blocking of straits, SWIFT (greetings from Barak) and other things, and jeopardize the entire fleet and Russian aerospace forces.
          3. SU-24 is a military aircraft, civilian pilots do not fly on it, and those pilots who fly know what might happen to them. This is their risk and choice, as the risk and choice of a miner going down to the mine, as the risk of an electrician on a VL pole, etc. Therefore, you should not assume that the pilots flew to the resort and did not know about a possible threat to life.
          4. The moment has been missed (it was necessary to shoot down the Turks in the same place) - that means we need to look for another moment and show the "partners" that there will be no forgiveness for the plane, but this does not mean that an atomic bombing should be immediately arranged. Even with the confrontation between the USSR and the USA, there were many different moments (submarine collision, aircraft annihilation, displacement of ships), the response was always a little later or earlier.
          1. Darkoff
            Darkoff 30 November 2015 19: 36
            0
            Let me try to answer you this question, you have already asked it so many times.

            Yes, this is a troll and a provocateur. Pay no attention to him!
            1. passerby1
              passerby1 30 November 2015 19: 58
              -1
              Of course, all those who do not agree with you are trolls and provocateurs. You alone are D Artagnan on a white horse.
          2. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 20: 11
            -1
            I only agree with your last thesis, the moment is really lost, the attack on the Turkish Air Force base should have been delivered immediately. As for paragraph 3, the fact that military pilots fly on the Su 24 does not mean at all that they can be sent to WAR to bomb the barmalei supported by a NATO member country, and after they are shot down in the Syrian sky by the Air Force of a NATO member country, say that "we do not want war." This is called hypocrisy, if we do not want war, we do not need to send pilots to bomb the barmaley supported by a NATO member country, and if we do, then we do not need to say that we do not want war. Here you need to either put on your panties or take off the cross. On point 2, I can say the same thing, if we are afraid of sanctions from NATO member countries, then we don’t need to bomb the barmaley, whom NATO member countries support. with regard to point 1, then I do not accept such arguments from the category "The giraffe is big, he knows better", if they are not supported by any arguments. With the same success, you can cite the phrase "God's will for everything" as an argument. And finally, you have not given an answer to the question.
            1. Corsair
              Corsair 1 December 2015 10: 05
              0
              Quote: passerby1
              And finally, you haven’t given an answer to the question.

              We are not ready yet for a large-scale war on foreign territory and on ours either, rearmament is in full swing, do you want a nuclear war? So nuclear weapons also need to be updated, as are the carriers, the same Bulava is still not in service, and how many Topol are ready, and the Kyrgyz Republic has enough Iskander and anti-aircraft defense - I can’t answer right away.
              BZHRK not put into operation, too ...
              "Thanks" to Gorbachev, Yeltsin and other "friends and comrades", including those close to VVP.
              We have holes around, several areas are actually less or less protected, and our country is huge.
          3. Hitrovan07
            Hitrovan07 30 November 2015 20: 26
            0
            You are mistaken in the main thing - revenge is always served with a cold dish.
        6. serezhasoldatow
          serezhasoldatow 30 November 2015 20: 41
          0
          Wait, Putin is waiting, and you have an impatient splatter from all the cracks. When Putin is silent, sweat is swept away.
      4. red_october
        red_october 30 November 2015 14: 52
        +2
        Here is what only the "Moscow" RC has to oppose the Turkish submarines:
        - Anti-submarine weapons 2 RBU-6000
        - Aviation group 1 anti-submarine helicopter Ka-27

        So not everything is so sad.

        And our cruiser is not alone there.
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      6. GSH-18
        GSH-18 1 December 2015 02: 33
        +1
        Quote: NEXUS
        At the same time, I am sure that these submarines "lead" and our Varshavyankas, maybe such a class of ships as the cruiser Moscow, simply do not go without a "retinue".

        Absolutely right. "Moskva" is the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet. Powerful missile cruiser with 16 supersonic anti-ship missiles in launchers. It has strong air defense, several S-300 complexes (in the naval version "Fort").
    4. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 30 November 2015 14: 35
      0
      Quote: passerby1
      Now the cruiser will be drowned, and we, in order to prevent the 3 of the world, will ban from Turkey, in addition to tomatoes, the import of zucchini into Russia

      So the cruiser Moscow is not so easy to sink, for this you need a full-fledged AUG, and even that, at best half of this AUG will remain.
      1. passerby1
        passerby1 30 November 2015 17: 02
        -1
        You shouldn't think so. Moskva's defense against anti-ship missiles is purely symbolic, since the Fort's radar is not capable of repelling an attack from several directions, and the Wasp's ability to hit a modern anti-ship missile raises serious doubts. In addition, it is not clear how effective the submarine "Moscow", built in the early 80s of the last century, and even the cramped conditions of the Mediterranean Sea, is.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 30 November 2015 17: 20
          +2
          Quote: passerby1
          The defense against anti-ship missiles at the "Moscow" is purely symbolic, since the "Fort" radar is not capable of repelling an attack from several directions,

          If such an attack is supposed to be, then the answer will already be given that Turkey has launched military operations against the Russian Federation, which means war. And therefore, the use of even nuclear weapons will not surprise anyone in the world. Erdogan is arrogant, but he is definitely not needed in a cowardly and nuclear desert in the middle of Turkey.
          1. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 18: 22
            0
            Well, after all, the attack on the Su 24 did not cause such a reaction, why should it be different with the "Moscow"? Gathering again at the forum "experts" will tell you what kind of stupid admirals we have who send a missile cruiser without reliable anti-submarine weapons and anti-anti-ship missiles into the coastal waters of an unfriendly state. The country's leadership will prohibit the import of cowards from Turkey, bring our nuclear submarines and nuclear cruisers into the Mediterranean Sea, and the "experts" will say, well, now let them just try again ... so we will show them then ... wow.
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 31
              +1
              Quote: passerby1
              Well, after all, the attack on the Su 24 did not cause such a reaction, why should it be different with the "Moscow"?

              Because there is already an order of the Commander-in-Chief to destroy any objects that would threaten our forces in Syria. The talk time has ended and now, in the case of at least a hint of aggression by the Turks, an immediate blow will follow. Besides, why did you decide that Moscow would allow yourself approach the distance of launching missiles or torpedoes on it?
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 30 November 2015 18: 54
                -1
                Let's see, of course, but for some reason I am sure that, firstly, something like this will surely happen again, secondly, there will be no response from our side, and thirdly, another story about a "blow" will be invented for you and me to justify this inaction in the back "and this story to the accompaniment of the mantra" we don't want a third world war "will be cheerfully broadcast to the people along with news about the transfer of nuclear submarines, aircraft carrier and other floating and flying weapons to the Mediterranean Sea. I no longer believe in our power, I do not believe that they have eggs to answer.
              2. passerby1
                passerby1 30 November 2015 19: 24
                -1
                And also, the launch range of AGM-84, which is in service with the Turkish Air Force, is 280 km. How can Moskva prevent their launch?
          2. passerby1
            passerby1 30 November 2015 18: 30
            0
            Sorry, I forgot about the "stab in the back". They will again tell us in great detail about this blow, and they will continue to live in peace, the leadership is confident that they are great diplomats, whose brilliant abilities helped to avoid the "3rd World War", the people are confident that they are reliably protected, and the leadership " know better ", and the military hopes that they will be more fortunate than the pilot of the Su 24 and the sailors of the" Moscow ".
            1. NEXUS
              NEXUS 30 November 2015 18: 38
              +1
              Quote: passerby1
              Sorry, I forgot about the "stab in the back". They will again tell us in great detail about this blow, and they will continue to live in peace, the leadership is confident that they are great diplomats, whose brilliant abilities helped to avoid the "3rd World War", the people are confident that they are reliably protected, and the leadership " know better ", and the military hopes that they will be more fortunate than the pilot of the Su 24 and the sailors of the" Moscow ".

              If you don’t hear the obvious arguments, backed up by the documents and decisions of our Defense Ministry, then think about this ... if, for example, there will be repeated sabotage by the Turks, and we will not respond to it with a military (emphasize) strike, then what will be inside RF in relation to GDP and what attitude our adversaries will have to us ... and therefore, even if we forget about the direct unequivocal orders of the Commander-in-Chief, we will have to respond with weapons to a new sabotage.
              1. passerby1
                passerby1 30 November 2015 18: 57
                +3
                There will be nothing inside Russia. Donetsk in Ukraine has been and is being fired on, and despite all the statements that we will “defend the Russians always and everywhere,” Putin has been unable or unwilling to do anything about it for the second year already. And nothing inside the country is ok, no one goes to rallies, no demonstrations are held.
  • SOBR_NSK
    SOBR_NSK 30 November 2015 13: 47
    +5
    so maybe they will enter the territorial waters of Syria? and disappear without a trace (the sea is like that, anything can happen, but ".. the submarine? she drowned")
  • jovanni
    jovanni 30 November 2015 13: 48
    +4
    "We will remind that earlier the official representative of the Russian Navy said that the missile cruiser Moskva will destroy all targets that will be identified as posing a threat to the Khmeimim airbase and to the warship itself."
    But what did not destroy them? Or failed to detect? Or are they not dangerous? It would be urgent to strengthen the PLO, otherwise it is somehow alarming ...
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2015 14: 11
      +3
      Quote: Jovanni
      But what did not destroy them? Or failed to detect? Or are they not dangerous? It would be urgent to strengthen the PLO, otherwise it is somehow alarming ...

      I don’t think that Turkish submarines have ever come close to the distance of our complexes in Moscow. Rather, SWIM somewhere, pretending that they are a thunderstorm of seas and oceans. I suspect that if the Turkish submarines come within the distance of launching our torpedoes and missiles, then they will be drowned without even thinking.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 37
      +2
      Quote: Jovanni
      But what did not destroy them? Or failed to detect? Or are they not dangerous?



      Hmm ... Already discovered ...

      Destroy them ??? For what ??? Tracking the ships of a potential enemy is a common practice on all fleets of the world ...

      And a lot of things can be a potential danger to the ship - so, to beat everyone at once with a vigorous loaf on the head ???
      1. Mera joota
        Mera joota 30 November 2015 19: 56
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        Hmm ... Already discovered ...

        Are you a warhead-7 RKR Moscow?
  • Yak-3P
    Yak-3P 30 November 2015 13: 51
    +3
    effendi .. if Moscow is unloaded while there is a torpedo, and it will be so, but what a disaster for iput .. mushrooms will go everywhere ... eh .. our children .. and what to do ..
  • AlexTires
    AlexTires 30 November 2015 13: 52
    +4
    Turkish shareholders of the ISIS project panic amid the collapse of their shares ....
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 13: 59
      0
      excuse me, dear, but you are mistaken, their shares are growing, the EU and the Yankees gave a bunch of buns to the Turks, they all have one enemy, Russia
  • kg pv
    kg pv 30 November 2015 13: 52
    +2
    Where a submarine of the country is located, a fairly limited circle of people should know, it’s not good for the Turks with secret information, it remains only to lay out the coordinates ... lol
    PS I hope that whoever is supposed to knows where exactly they are. wink
  • Decathlon
    Decathlon 30 November 2015 13: 53
    +9
    Navy guys! Enlighten the "infantry". Is there something to protect "Moscow" from submarines ?! And then, in my heart it is somehow alarming, from these idiots, hell knows what to expect! hi
    1. I read the news
      I read the news 30 November 2015 13: 56
      +5
      Quote: Decathlon
      . Is there something to protect "Moscow" from the submarine ?!

      All the stuffing under it is ground.
      1. a52333
        a52333 30 November 2015 14: 04
        +8
        Despite the shock "specialization", the cruiser also has anti-submarine weapons. Two five-pipe 533-mm torpedo tubes and two RBU-6000 rocket-bomb installations, each with 12-th jet deep bombs (RSL-60), are mainly intended to protect the ship from torpedoes. In the stern of the cruiser is a helicopter KA-27.
        RBU-6000 is a stationary launcher guided in two planes with twelve radially located barrels. Under the installation in the below deck is a cellar with depth charges. The package of barrels is charged and unloaded using a charging device into which bombs from the cellar are fed by a special lift. Access to the deck for this purpose is not required. After loading the last barrel of the RBU automatically goes into guidance mode. After all bombs have been used up, it also automatically switches to the “loading” position - the barrel pack drops to the 90 ° angle and is deployed to load the next barrel along the course angle.
        RSL-60 were unguided rockets with high-explosive warheads and rocket engines powered by solid fuel. The UDV-60 fuse, designed for use in the RSL-60, provided for the detonation of the warheads of bombs when they hit a target and at a predetermined depth ranging from 15 to 350 m. on command from the emergency team. Shooting could be volley or single, from one or two installations. The RSL, flying along a ballistic trajectory, is driven at a given distance.

        http://vs.milrf.ru/armament/marine/kr_moskva.htm
    2. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 13: 59
      +2
      http://www.cruiser-moskva.info/arms/ смотрите тут
    3. Valentine
      Valentine 30 November 2015 17: 51
      -1
      All that is needed is there. Locators and sonar screens display the location of any other watercraft, whether surface or submarine. Any missile and torpedo launches are instantly recorded, and it can take them only a few seconds to destroy them using a rocket launcher or torpedoes.
      devices for large-sized purposes.
  • From Samara
    From Samara 30 November 2015 13: 54
    -2
    So it's natural ...

    The Turks have always been Bad Sailors, however, like warriors in general ... I think the BOD will sink them without any problems!
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 39
      +2
      Quote: From Samara
      Turks have always been Bad Sailors, however, like warriors in general ...



      Hmm ... Don’t lose your hat ..te .....
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 30 November 2015 16: 52
        0
        Why lose That? You just need to wipe them again!
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2015 14: 48
      +5
      Quote: From Samara
      Turks have always been Bad Sailors, however, like warriors in general ...

      You tell the Austrians. Or the Serbs. Or Australians with New Zealanders. Or the Greeks. About bad turkish warriors. smile
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 30 November 2015 16: 50
        -1
        And you tell Russia this, Russia has always wiped its feet on the Turks!
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 30 November 2015 18: 29
          +2
          Quote: From Samara
          And you tell Russia this, Russia has always wiped its feet on the Turks!

          Prut campaign.
  • mitya24
    mitya24 30 November 2015 13: 54
    14
    Yes, it seems that the Janissaries sketched a draft script of the last war. Moscow is shooting down a Turkish plane, Turkish submarines are drowning a Russian cruiser. Pah, pah, pah, of course, but in a fun time we live brothers. May God grant wisdom and patience to the commander in chief.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 November 2015 15: 04
      +4
      Quote: mitya24
      Yes, it seems, the Janissaries sketched draft script of the last war... God grant wisdom and patience to the commander.



      Rough or fullbut here about wisdom:

      The Russian Federation reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other weapons of mass destruction against it and (or) its allies, as well as in the case of aggression against the Russian Federation with the use of conventional weapons, when the very existence of the state is threatened.
      Totally here:
      http://www.kremlin.ru/supplement/461

      A small dog will never eat a big bear, but it will squeal and bark loudly, and often and anywhere to spoil ...
    2. Valentine
      Valentine 30 November 2015 18: 05
      +2
      Any ship flying the flag of any state is considered the territory of that state, i.e. an attack on a Russian cruiser, in this case, is called an act of aggression on Russian territory in order to capture this territory. And the response to this aggression can be the use of conventional weapons, and the use of nuclear weapons. And that says it all ... The Turks will make us any tricks on the verge of a foul, but no more, otherwise instead of Istanbul there will be a large Bosphorus Strait, several hundred kilometers wide.
  • BaLaLaykin
    BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 13: 54
    +3
    as the mosque wrote on the next branch, "Moscow" has its own PLO, but I think such issues need to be approached comprehensively, together with PLO aviation (IL-38N)
  • ALX
    ALX 30 November 2015 13: 55
    +9
    How to drink give cook conflict! As with Georgia 08.08.08., Only this time with a NATO member country. And there is no need to doubt that they will not do it. It is necessary to prepare for the worst, to cover the base from a massive strike by cruise missiles. There is only one goal - to weaken Russia, squeeze out forces from the region, block the straits and finish forming the belt around us, only then our turn will come! But the Turks, that the Turks, well, they will be excluded from NATO and business then.
    1. 31rus
      31rus 30 November 2015 14: 08
      +1
      The main goal is to drag Russia into the war, and this, given our domestic policy, will lead to a "new revolution", they did not immediately fight back with the plane, they begin to become impudent and it looks like the situation is not developing according to our plans, the Turks will not start fighting without support, but a provocation, to humiliate Russia again, they will undertake, as always, where we do not expect, there will not be a "tough nut to crack" at the base, but the ships, good objects for provocations, or will bomb the Kurds, and the planes will be the Aerospace Forces, of course, fake, but well-staged performance on then it is calculated
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      1. ALX
        ALX 30 November 2015 14: 15
        +1
        In fact, there are a lot of scenarios in this play and they have all been calculated by states for a long time, it all depends on how we behave! For them, at this stage, a local conflict with Turkey is enough!
        1. foxic
          foxic 30 November 2015 16: 26
          0
          The script has long been written by Athos monks.
          Turkey for the straits will fight with Russia. Turkey will be supported by the West.
          A lot of Russian blood will be shed (you can bathe a three-year-old calf in it ...)
          Turkey will no longer be. Constantinople with the straits, the Russians will give Greece. etc ... now living will see it ....
          while everything is written .... we are preparing for a fight, we are not going too far - Russia is a model of justice for the whole world.
      2. ALX
        ALX 30 November 2015 14: 15
        0
        In fact, there are a lot of scenarios in this play and they have all been calculated by states for a long time, it all depends on how we behave! For them, at this stage, a local conflict with Turkey is enough!
    3. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 November 2015 15: 07
      0
      How to drink give cook conflict! As with Georgia 08.08.08., Only this time with a country member of NATO ...


      The main thing is that the Supreme at this time does not go on a visit to anyone and where not ...
  • SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 30 November 2015 13: 55
    +3
    Now the concentration of the RF Armed Forces in Syria will begin. And partners can let go crazy Ukrainians (not far from the Turks). General Staff and GRU do not miss! Do not relax! Distract !!
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 30 November 2015 14: 48
      +7
      Quote: SCHWERIN
      And partners can let go crazy Ukrainians (not far from the Turks)

      Aha! Ukraine is ready ... to help Turkey block the Crimea and finally ... the Americans threw us a fleet!



  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 13: 56
    +5
    Nobody paid attention to the release dates? 7th and 11th. Provocation was prepared in advance. It seems that one submarine was there. So there is a mine, both from the First World War and from the Second. Will Turkish submarines ever come across any? We must warn them that there are especially many surprises at the distance of the torpedo salvo from our ships. And no one will even know what happened.
    1. the most important
      the most important 30 November 2015 14: 18
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      So there is a mine, both from the First World War and from the Second.

      It would be nice to say that the cruiser discovered and destroyed a mine from the Second World War ... let the Turks think ...
  • prostofily
    prostofily 30 November 2015 13: 57
    0
    request request God forbid, of course, if something is mixed up on calibers in a fever of centuries. request
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 30 November 2015 13: 59
    +5
    No one doubted. The Turkish fleet is more powerful than ours, with the exception of the nuclear submarines, but they will not help much here. I think if you search a lot, though there is nothing, then a couple of submarines will be found near Sevastopol. Turkey and its allies are completely ready for war, we have everything as usual - the army at the stage of rearmament, reform, and treacherous blows in the back.
    1. ALX
      ALX 30 November 2015 14: 04
      0
      I absolutely agree with you, they are preparing a trap for us! And do not overestimate our strength in this region! They take us in quantity!
    2. ALX
      ALX 30 November 2015 14: 04
      +1
      I absolutely agree with you, they are preparing a trap for us! And do not overestimate our strength in this region! They take us in quantity!
    3. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 14: 08
      -2
      http://www.airwar.ru/enc/sea/il38n.html,это ответ Вам,по поводу нечем поискать
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 30 November 2015 14: 31
        0
        So what? When all this is in the Crimea or over the Mediterranean Sea, I will write - "there is something to look for, they are looking."
    4. Starley from the south
      Starley from the south 30 November 2015 15: 15
      -1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      The Turkish fleet is more powerful than ours, with the exception of the nuclear submarines

      Where did you read that? If American aircraft carriers were moving away from rapprochement with the cruiser Moscow, then what did the Turks have to do with it? They have more ships, but it was the same at the Sinop battle, where Admiral Nakhimov showed the Turks that the number of ships does not matter!
      1. chunga-changa
        chunga-changa 30 November 2015 19: 48
        +1
        Yeah, and Prince Oleg nailed the shield to the gates of Constantinople, the grandmother remembered how she was a girl. There is no aircraft carrier, there are two submarines, something they do not leave from rapprochement, maybe not afraid? How so?
        In general, it’s strange that we are with you, I don’t drink with anyone on the Brudershaft.
      2. mvg
        mvg 30 November 2015 22: 08
        0
        starley from the south RU Today, 15:15 ↑

        Quote: chunga-changa
        The Turkish fleet is more powerful than ours, with the exception of the nuclear submarines

        Where did you read that? If American aircraft carriers were moving away from rapprochement with the cruiser Moscow, then what did the Turks have to do with it? They have more ships, but it was the same at the Sinop battle, where Admiral Nakhimov showed the Turks that the number of ships does not matter!

        Blessed is he who believes .. Vera, she, my friend - is opium for the people .. Nakhimov and Ushakov, of course, are not bad guys, but the Turks also have their heroes. And marine too. Let's operate more with the facts.
  • Y_w_p
    Y_w_p 30 November 2015 14: 02
    +1
    And I didn’t want to write, but I thought about the comments, but who will defend that “Moscow”? Yes, she herself seems to have a good PLO, but after all, when was she launched there? What repairs and upgrades were there? How many BOD are there near her? One two? The boat seems to be the only one on the way to the Black Sea Fleet. So the builders of the new non-communist Russia were doing their own work. Where is the Black Sea Fleet, aviation, anti-submarine aircraft? Does anyone at least track the movement of Turkish submarines? AND?
    1. The black
      The black 30 November 2015 14: 07
      +1
      Apparently tracking wink ... or the Turks deliberately slept, in your opinion.? .. And about what to meet I will say this; FIND !!! wink Strategic bombers and cruise missiles will somehow find a way to Ankara. However, I hope it doesn’t come to that. What is followed is the usual world practice.
      1. kuz363
        kuz363 30 November 2015 16: 10
        +2
        Why is everyone so praying for cruise missiles? The warhead is only 200-400 kg. Dozens die, with a maximum of a hundred or two people. During the war, the FAU-2 hit the London department store with a bunch of people. 160 people died, but there were 1000 kg of explosives! And now the rocket is worth a couple million dollars. What military facilities are you going to shoot at Ankara? Ministries and the palace of the president?
    2. kuz363
      kuz363 30 November 2015 15: 56
      -1
      The Black Sea Fleet is locked in the Black Sea. Aircraft too. Now the Turks will not let him out.
    3. Mera joota
      Mera joota 30 November 2015 20: 12
      0
      Quote: Y_w_p
      Yes, her PLO itself seems to be not bad, but still, when did they let her into the water there?

      In Moscow, the PLO is full of dermo, the ancient MGK-335 Platinum by which Turkish DEPLs can be found if only drunken Turks will dance with tambourines ...
  • Izotovp
    Izotovp 30 November 2015 14: 03
    0
    Do we have something like EW for submarines? To a quiet, intelligent-times, and lost a Turkish boat? winked
    1. Bashibuzuk
      Bashibuzuk 30 November 2015 14: 51
      +2
      Yes, there is ..
      True from this, the noise is carried underwater.
      All sorts of different-sized simulation devices.
      They make noise .... how terrifying. Evil torpedoes right in flocks of kidayutstsa.
      They are told - tpppruu, to stand, and they know rush for a jar of balls.
      .
      In water, electromagnetic signals propagate extremely poorly.
      It can be said that they do not apply at all. And those who are still small and bad - nothing has been invented with them so far, except how to maintain contact.
      So, with EW there is a bummer.
      .
      Water in general is such an environment that it causes one headache. Everyone has.
      ..
      But against reactive pop-up bells and whistles and other tricky torpedoes hanging in the water column at anchors and mines waiting in the wings, my head already hurts.
      The head hurts, the sphincters are convulsively contracting, goosebumps icy on the skin.
      And the clatter of "steel claws" on the body - dzang-dzang .... dzang-dzang.
      Uzhssssssss, what
  • BOB044
    BOB044 30 November 2015 14: 03
    0
    The bold Turks have not yet managed to do it in the wrong hands. Let the Turks remember Ushakov and they will be happy.
  • mitrich
    mitrich 30 November 2015 14: 03
    +2
    If they hit "Moscow", there is no way out, it will be necessary to deliver a massive blow with Calibers on the military infrastructure of the Turks. War ... That's what amer needs.
    Preventive measures are needed so that even the frostbitten Ottomans have a desire to beat off the boat on us.
    1. ALX
      ALX 30 November 2015 14: 10
      0
      Yes, the matter here is no longer in the Turks, they have a goal, they are bait !!! It’s not for nothing that NATO is pulling aviation there, it’s not for nothing that Obama said that Assad has 2 weeks left.
    2. ALX
      ALX 30 November 2015 14: 10
      0
      Yes, the matter here is no longer in the Turks, they have a goal, they are bait !!! It’s not for nothing that NATO is pulling aviation there, it’s not for nothing that Obama said that Assad has 2 weeks left.
      1. agent rossii
        agent rossii 30 November 2015 14: 28
        0
        and this fakan neger himself apparently also measured out 2 weeks am angry
      2. Scoun
        Scoun 30 November 2015 14: 34
        +1
        Quote: ALX
        It’s not for nothing that NATO is pulling aviation there,

        If Gaddafi Sarkozyaka gave money, Erdogando *** had families with Assad, and Putin talked with Shmerkel and Hollande in Minsk .... all this does not mean that they can’t put a knife in the back, Everyone smiles, handles and hugs ... and then oppanki .. here you are and please ..
        In general, it would seem that all actions of the "partners" and "coalition" should be considered from the side of a sudden blow in the back, and especially for such cases, either a "chain mail" under a shirt or a comrade covering the back is needed.
    3. Vadim237
      Vadim237 30 November 2015 15: 08
      -1
      A massive strike by the Caliber will not work, since in this direction they are armed with only 5 ships, 8 missiles each.
  • Rosty
    Rosty 30 November 2015 14: 04
    +2
    Carry out anti-submarine training exercises with combat shooting RBU. Thank Turkey for participating in the exercises.
  • kaschey
    kaschey 30 November 2015 14: 04
    +1
    No matter how the Turks muddied the water for us, I don’t think that there are no Anglo-Saxon submarines there, there might be another provocation on their part, but they will point to the Turks ...
  • Wolka
    Wolka 30 November 2015 14: 04
    +1
    only without panic, this problem is also solved ...
  • Neputin
    Neputin 30 November 2015 14: 05
    +3
    "I hope that who is supposed to know where they are." Dear "kg pv", in the case of the SU-24, everyone also knew who and where was, but all the same it was ... and. The same can happen with "Moscow". As for the calls to volunteer to go to the military registration and enlistment office, I think a lot of people will go in case of danger for our Motherland, but about some of the local sofa marshals ... I am tormented by vague doubts.
    1. Rosty
      Rosty 30 November 2015 14: 09
      +4
      I completely agree! I wrote in the next branch - the General Staff should consider potential threats and create conditions for their neutralization BEFORE, and NOT AFTER. Otherwise, we wave our fists after the fight. I am sure that the situation with SU 24 could have been prevented.
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  • sgr291158
    sgr291158 30 November 2015 14: 07
    0
    Shit, and now they are afraid.
  • Belarus
    Belarus 30 November 2015 14: 09
    +3
    There was already a treacherous provocation in the air, and Russia, as I understand it should be ready already Turkey’s further treacherous steps with regard to its contingent in Syria. People, judge for yourself if Perdogan does not have his own brain and has already done one meanness, what prevents him from creating another? One thing is clear: provocations will continue on retaliatory military operations against Turkey followed by escalation from Turkey.
    I'd like to believe that the Turkish elite, in which case, will choke on their own feces.
    And in this situation, we should not forget about the aggravation of the situation in the Donbass. In my opinion, all the events with the Turks and in Ukraine will be interconnected for a greater dispersal of the forces of the Russian Federation. And well, if I'm wrong.
  • soroKING
    soroKING 30 November 2015 14: 09
    +1
    off top
    Peskov said no meeting is planned for GDP with Yadorgan hi
  • Djclone
    Djclone 30 November 2015 14: 10
    +5
    Since it smells like fried already like 10 days, it’s strange that there is still no A-50 or Il-38N at our airbase in Syria ... Apparently there is enough intelligence, let's not forget about the satellite grouping of East Kazakhstan region. By the way, in the next 10 days it is planned to launch 2 more spacecraft in the interests of the Ministry of Defense. December 9, Canopus-ST and December 10, Harpoon heavy communication satellite
  • Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 30 November 2015 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: Koshak
    "Moscow" also has something to meet, it is not a barge with tomatoes.

    Your komenty read hair on end. Well, they will watch, so what? A ship is not a plane that supposedly flew into an alien zone. Even an attempt to attack the ship will be regarded as a declaration of war.
    1. ALX
      ALX 30 November 2015 14: 21
      0
      Have you already been announced with the plane? They are the bait! They set a goal! Well, they can’t stir up all this without the consent of the states.
    2. ALX
      ALX 30 November 2015 14: 21
      0
      Have you already been announced with the plane? They are the bait! They set a goal! Well, they can’t stir up all this without the consent of the states.
  • Turkir
    Turkir 30 November 2015 14: 15
    0
    Speed ​​in the surface position - 10 knots., Underwater - about 21,5 knots.

    In the above-water position, the speed is lower than in the underwater?
    1. Djclone
      Djclone 30 November 2015 14: 26
      0
      Like all submarines
    2. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 14: 27
      0
      this is for all submarines so
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 30 November 2015 14: 41
        0
        Thanks for the quick answers.
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2015 15: 05
      +5
      Quote: Turkir
      In the above-water position, the speed is lower than in the underwater?

      This is a feature of submarines built after WWII.
      However, the Germans started all on the type XXI. But the hull there was still of a "universal" type: minimization of underwater resistance while maintaining good surface seaworthiness.
      Then came the submarine with the "Albakor" corps, in which the emphasis was placed exclusively on underwater movement.
      As a result, compared with pre-war submarines, the distribution of speeds turned upside down: the surface speed dropped to 10-12 knots, but the underwater speed increased to 18-20.
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      2. Turkir
        Turkir 30 November 2015 15: 12
        0
        Thanks - great answer. I will not hide, in memory there were old positions which I considered universal. good
      3. Throw
        Throw 30 November 2015 16: 52
        +2
        In addition to the shape of the case, there is a more significant factor - wave resistance.
        A vessel sailing along the surface generates a wave system, which consumes part of the power, in proportion to the speed of the vessel and inversely to the length of the waterline. The submarine does not create waves in the underwater position of the boundary of the media.
        For more details, see here: http://tapemark.narod.ru/vodnik/1_07.html
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 30 November 2015 21: 08
          0
          Throw - Thank you very much.
          Thanks for the link.
  • Gorbtk
    Gorbtk 30 November 2015 14: 16
    +1
    The main weapon of submarines is stealth. If they are discovered, then they simply turn into game ....
  • Mig-31
    Mig-31 30 November 2015 14: 20
    +2
    Turks are generally insolent! Ehhh when will Russia put these pronounced mongrels in their place.
  • botsman80
    botsman80 30 November 2015 14: 20
    +2
    It would be silly not to have submarines there ... Well, detection is half the battle. It remains only not to miss it and be ready for all kinds of provocations, like: "... we did not know whose GRKR was there ..."
  • Mareman Vasilich
    Mareman Vasilich 30 November 2015 14: 20
    0
    Quote: Siegen
    Pulls to the border of 20 tanks to capture the C-400.

    And where does this information come from?
    1. win
      win 30 November 2015 15: 09
      +2
      And where does this information come from?


      http://achtungpartisanen.ru/novosti-sirii-27-11-2015/
      I am not responsible for the correctness of the source of information.

      I was mistaken. It is written there:
      More than 100 tanks were transported to the border with Syria by trains, Turkish troops
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      2. win
        win 30 November 2015 15: 12
        +4
        “You should not be afraid of a Turkish tank throw,” says Leonid Ivashov, president of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems. “It is hardly possible.” But you have to be ready for everything.
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  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 30 November 2015 14: 21
    -3
    If "Moscow" is flooded, then economic sanctions alone will not get rid of, that's for sure.
    Significantly empty the entire Turkish fleet.
    Methodically and thoroughly, ship by ship, ship by ship ...
    That’s too much dofiga there,
    the money is paid, so they will rest until it stops.
  • Manul
    Manul 30 November 2015 14: 21
    +2
    It is imperative to bring the escort to the Moskva - a couple of anti-submarine ships, patrol boats. Let the circles cut and monitor the depth. Well, and whisk if found.
  • cte-power
    cte-power 30 November 2015 14: 22
    -1
    There will be a big war guys
  • soroKING
    soroKING 30 November 2015 14: 23
    -1
    Quote: Turkir
    Speed ​​in the surface position - 10 knots., Underwater - about 21,5 knots.

    In the above-water position, the speed is lower than in the underwater?

    and they have flippers in the underwater crew fellow
  • rudik
    rudik 30 November 2015 14: 25
    +2
    What does the boat have to do with the Turks and Ukrainians .... Yes, everyone has long understood that the United States is trying to unleash the conflict in every imaginable and unimaginable way! Other people's war is the very favorite thing of these (special) scum.
  • vetlan19
    vetlan19 30 November 2015 14: 26
    0
    Quote: From Samara
    The Turks have always been Bad Sailors, however, like warriors in general ... I think the BOD will sink them without any problems!


    But you should read such a warrior: Five Turkish weapons systems, which Russia should be wary of
    http://inosmi.ru/military/20151126/234589726.html
    1. F-16 multi-functional fighter and AIM-120 advanced medium-range air-to-air guided missile
    2. KORAL Ground Based Radio-electronic Suppression System
    3. Gür class submarines
    4. Ada Invisible Corvettes
    5. Naval sabotage units SAT

    Don’t say GOP !, until you jump over, otherwise you will make people laugh.
    1. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2015 15: 15
      +1
      Quote: vetlan19
      Ada Invisible Corvettes

      What is the Ada Corvette:

      8 "Harpoons", 1 PU RAM, 1 * 1 76 mm, 2 * 3 324 mm TA, 1 helicopter.
      That is, 8 subsonic anti-ship missiles, and from air defense - only self-defense. And a whole scattering of radar and transmitters, extremely contributing to stealth.

      More terrible than a cat there is no beast. smile
  • 31rus
    31rus 30 November 2015 14: 31
    0
    Not in the sense of these boats, there is a clear demonstration of their position, that is, an aggravation of relations, people from Turkey need to be taken away, that’s where there can be serious provocations with the cancellation of unknown terrorists, because the Turks understand the end of the tourism business with Russia
    1. BaLaLaykin
      BaLaLaykin 30 November 2015 14: 42
      +1
      there will be no end, too many damners live and hate the place of residence in Russia (these creatures do not consider her homeland) with all the fibers of their filthy little soul. The easiest option is to complicate the flight to Turkey, arrival at check-in 5 hours before departure, a separate corridor with inspection each baggage before check-in and check-in, after checking, by direct passage to the sump, without duty free and other pleasures there, an hour in the sump before loading (and the air conditioner is broken as always), then loading onto a bus and taking to the very edge of the airport (where the plane is delivered bezopasnosti.Nu of reasons and upon arrival, private lounge, baggage screening and other pleasures.
      1. Conscience
        Conscience 30 November 2015 17: 06
        0
        tin - you are so humane
  • Maksus
    Maksus 30 November 2015 14: 33
    +1
    I wonder if the Turks are torpedoing our ship (not Moscow, of course, but something from the "Syrian Express"), what will we ban - Tarkan's songs or Turbo's chewing gum?
  • COBA
    COBA 30 November 2015 14: 35
    0
    Our answer is to strengthen the naval force and conduct exercises off the coast of Syria.
  • vetlan19
    vetlan19 30 November 2015 14: 37
    +1
    Quote: passerby1
    "Don't you think it is hypocritical to send our planes and our pilots to the war with the Barmaley (and not only with ISIS, we are bombing everyone there who is against Assad), who are supported by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates, the EU, the USA, etc.? That is, half the world, and when planes are shot down and pilots are killed, we prohibit the import of cowards from the country that killed our pilot and shot down our plane, arguing that we cannot give a military response, we do not want war? " We send our pilots to war, with people who are supported by a country, a NATO member, and when they are killed, in fact, we do nothing, arguing that we do not want war. Can you answer this question?


    Do not think that you are smarter than the Dark One with all of His analysts, and advisers, and specialists, and ...........
  • bad
    bad 30 November 2015 14: 42
    0
    It was confirmed that two Turkish submarines are watching the guards missile cruiser "Moscow" off the coast of Syria
    ..heh ... but a couple of our submarines are watching the Turkish ones ... there will be no "Moscow" without cover ... laughing
  • kizhe
    kizhe 30 November 2015 14: 44
    -2
    I think that with our help, Turkish submarines can dive much deeper than 280 meters. sad
    1. serezhasoldatow
      serezhasoldatow 30 November 2015 20: 51
      0
      As Sanka Molchanov, the first mate from "Moscow", said, not from today, when the command boat was sunk near the pier: "The boat touched the bottom with its keel."
  • Starik72
    Starik72 30 November 2015 14: 44
    +4
    I think that our sailors are not stupid people, and envisioned such a situation with surveillance of the cruiser MOSCOW. And if necessary, they will be able to protect him. And this stuffing with surveillance is just whipping up hysteria. The war has been going on OUR PLANET for a long time, even if it’s not very bloody, but someone wants to turn it into a very bloody one and at the same time survive on its own. And YOU all know very well that if a VERY BLOODY WAR starts, no one will survive, so we hope that the prudence of these people (Zionist financiers or moneybags) will not allow this to happen, because they will die, and who then it will rule the WORLD and live for its own pleasure. But on the other hand, THEY can go for it from powerlessness and despair that they cannot turn the tide in their favor.