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Erdogan said "enough"

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In Washington, they made it clear to the Turks that flirting with terrorists would not be good. An unnamed representative of the White House, quoted by the Wall Street Journal, said that "the rules of the game have changed." “Enough is enough,” the official explained. “The border needs to be closed.” This man called the threat “IG” “international” and specified that it passes “through Turkish territory”. Moreover, the Turks are recommended to increase the contingent of troops on the 60-mile segment of the border with Syria.




Correspondents write about it "The Wall Street Journal" Adam Entus, Gordon Labold from Washington and Dion Nissenbaum from Istanbul.

The Obama administration insists on Turkey deploying additional troops along the border with Syria to close the 60-mile segment of the border. It is this area in question, according to US officials, that is used by the Islamic State militants.

Officially, the United States did not indicate "a certain number of soldiers." However, according to a Pentagon representative, more than 30.000 troops may be required to close the border on the Turkish side. Only a cordon would require more than 10000 soldiers, one unnamed official remarked.

Turkish officials have already said that they agree with tightening border controls. Some measures are supposedly being implemented. However, according to Ankara, the Pentagon’s estimates regarding the number of troops on the border are too high. For some reason, Ankara does not give its own ratings.

In exchange for more active actions against the "Islamic state", Ankara wants to get more financial assistance from Europe: after all, the Turks have to "deal with its 2,2 million Syrian refugees." Also, the Turks want to create a safe zone in Syria - the implementation of the idea that the Obama administration "put aside", finding it "too risky and difficult."

American officials believe that the deployment of Turkish forces near the border, including infantry and artillery units, would be a real obstacle to the main transit routes used by the militants of the Islamic State. At the same time, this measure would put an end to the flow of foreign fighters moving to Europe.

Back in July, the US and Turkish leaders reached agreement in principle on joint efforts to counter the militants’s frontier, but the implementation of the plan was under threat due to friction between Turkey and the US, as well as some disputes in the Obama administration. The United States was preparing airstrikes against the militants together with the Syrian rebels, but this plan stopped because of the Russian airstrikes and the likely air chaos. The plan was again on an urgent agenda because of the terrorist attacks in Paris. But the Turks shot down a Russian military aircraft, and this added new complications.

US officials are now saying that Turkey should substantially increase the density of its troops along the border, in particular, between the two border cities, which, according to US intelligence, the Islamic State uses as transit points.

“The rules of the game have changed. Enough is enough. The border should be sealed to the castle, - said a senior official from the Obama administration to Ankara. “This is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through the territory of Turkey.”

Turkish officials respond that they are ready to take the necessary measures, but under the condition that the United States will also take measures. "Turkey is determined to clear 98 of the border between Kilis and Jerablus from Daesh," said a Turkish senior official. He added that no one, including the American partners, needed to give advice to the Turks or make warnings.

Combined with the deployment of Turkish military forces at border points, the United States, in principle, agrees to provide air support for the coalition of rebel forces that is fighting the Islamic State in Syria. Turkish officials consider these very ground operations inside Syria, with the support of the United States, a priority, the publication points out. But the chiefs from the Pentagon doubt that Turkey will be able to collect a sufficient number of rebels in northern Syria who could not fight not with the Assad regime, but with the "Islamic State", especially if we recall the support for Assad by the Russian air forces.

As for the safe zone, both the Pentagon and the White House have long opposed the creation of this formal territory. US officials say it would drag Washington into the war.

As the magazine notes, American officials warned Ankara: it may face the “significant” objection of the European powers if it cannot block the borders of foreign fighters who are seeking to return to Syria from Syria. Paris attacks became a "wake-up call" for the Turks and showed that "they do not control this problem".

At the recent G20 summit, Barack Obama told Recep Tayyip Erdogan that Turkey should act quickly. The border area must be cordoned off to reduce the risk of new terrorist attacks in Europe and beyond.

During the meeting, Mr. Erdogan, responding to Obama, agreed on the need to prevent the movement of Islamic State militants across the Turkish border.

The Turkish President does not like the fact that ethnic Turkmens came under Russian airstrikes. Mr. Erdogan warned Russia, saying that such attacks should be stopped.

US officials say that in recent months, Turkey has taken some steps to "slow down" the flow of foreign fighters, including closing the main border points along the country's border with Syria.

However, these “some steps” are incomparable with the effectiveness of the actions of the Kurds. As an example, US officials point to the success of the Syrian Kurdish forces who cordoned off the border on the eastern banks of the Euphrates River in Iraq. The operations carried out there by the Kurds made it possible to almost completely block the flow of foreign fighters.

The Turks object to this: they say, Washington itself is not able to reliably close the American-Mexican border. And the Americans need to understand from this how difficult such operations are.

US officials were "annoyed at this comparison," the magazine notes. “If we were at war with Mexico, we would close this border,” said a senior official from the presidential administration.

By the way, let us add, the question of blocking the Turkish-Syrian border, through which the militants of “IG” freely move, was sharpened by none other than Francois Hollande. After the terrorist attacks in Paris, the topic of militants in Europe has become truly “topical”, and the French president wants to take action not in words but in deeds. A "case" is just on the Turkish border.

A few days ago, F. Hollande offered to take measures and close the border between Turkey and Syria. “He proposed to take concrete measures to close the border between Turkey and Syria. We actively support this and are open to agreeing on practical steps, of course, in cooperation with the Syrian government, ”said Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov at a press conference after talks with his Syrian counterpart Walid Moallem. "We are convinced that, having closed this border, we will largely solve the tasks of eradicating terrorism on Syrian soil," the newspaper quoted Lavrova "Sight".

And it’s not at all surprising what the Russian foreign minister said about Turkey. He noted that Moscow and Damascus are accumulating more and more questions to Ankara about her interest in actually normalizing the situation in Syria.

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem also expressed his opinion. He said that Turkey supports the terrorists operating in Syria and in general "has been beating Syria in the back for five years."

And it would be strange to think, we note in conclusion that Ankara, which for years 5 “beats Syria in the back,” would suddenly now abandon its long-term strategy aimed at overthrowing Assad. Recall that in 2013, Erdogan called Assad is a "butcher" and a "killer."

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  1. Name
    Name 1 December 2015 05: 44
    +2
    Welcome all! Too late for the still Turkish President Erdogan. And this is not the case when "better late than never". Other "sixes" American science will be.
    1. mirag2
      mirag2 1 December 2015 05: 56
      46
      Yeah? But what about the mass of technology moved to the border of Syria? -Type to close it that?
      So it turns out not "enough" told Turkey to change the instrument:
      Turkoman terrorists (with the hidden support of Turkey) -to the official army.
      So there is no detente from Turkey, it turns out.
      1. Canep
        Canep 1 December 2015 06: 04
        22
        Quote: mirag2
        Yeah? But what about the mass of technology moved to the border of Syria? -Type to close it that?

        Something also seems to me that the Turks will simply enter Syria and begin cleansing the Kurds, thereby expanding the corridor connecting Turkey and Daesh. (I recommend not to continue to use ISIS or IS; Islamic Shaitans, as Kadyrov says, have nothing Islamic).
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 1 December 2015 06: 25
          37
          Quote: mirag2
          But what about the mass of technology moved to the border of Syria?
          Turk will have to fight.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 1 December 2015 07: 09
            10
            From the text of the article
            Erdogan said "enough"
            And yet, it seems that the United States and Turkey are just muddy between themselves - for those around them.
            On the one hand, the US requirements for Turkey contradict the interests of Erdogan’s own oil raider business with the export and sale of industrially produced cheap stolen oil from Syria. It seems that with this and because of this, Erdogan will definitely try to deceive the "trust" of the USA! At least a little from his business, he will illegally leave himself.
            And on the other hand, the United States, although strict in relation to Turkey, is partially satisfied with the collapse in Europe with refugees. Therefore, the United States will also look blindly at Turkey’s actions.
            Such a half-quality agreement between Turkey and the United States on the closure of the Turkish-Syrian border, in principle, should be expected from them.
            1. Vita vko
              Vita vko 1 December 2015 08: 40
              +5
              Here an interesting article came across in the American edition of The Huffington Post "Research: ISIS ties with Turkey" http://geo-politica.info/spisok-svyazey-igil-turtsiya.html
              But no matter how many facts are cited about the connections of Erdogan’s oil business with the supply of IG oil, he will not resign. Such corrupt politicians as a rule, after overthrow, flee the country under the protection of their patrons.
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                1. Abrekkos
                  Abrekkos 1 December 2015 14: 55
                  +2
                  Right And because:

                  1. Because on one side they burn on fire.
                  2. because on the other hand they have boiling coffee

                  There is a Turk and a place!

                  Well, because I hope that they are of domestic production. I have one.

                  Now I will use it. It is nice to put Turku on fire and pour boiling coffee from it. Like hell.
            2. Ria
              Ria 1 December 2015 18: 47
              -4
              If someone read, please comment: today in the comments on Echo, the spiders write that Turkey, for a short time, has "blinded" our S-400s with its electronic warfare systems, and such an attack could completely render our main forces useless. Moreover, they can redirect missiles at false targets and create any provocation in order to unleash a "hot" war.
              1. aba
                aba 1 December 2015 21: 45
                +1
                On Echo and not such a say, so listen more often. wink
              2. Atilag
                Atilag 2 December 2015 12: 59
                +1
                "Echo of Moscow" is high time to release a collection of children's fairy tales.
              3. TanyaKar
                TanyaKar 2 December 2015 15: 52
                +3
                It is not possible to "blind" the S - 400! Read other newspapers and articles by S-400 specialists.
                Do not worry about our guys in Syria ... Everything will be good!
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          3. Sid.74
            Sid.74 1 December 2015 15: 17
            +3
            "The Wall Street Journal," said that "the rules of the game have changed." “Enough is enough,” the official explained. “The border needs to be closed.” This man called the threat “IG” “international” and specified that it passes “through Turkish territory”

            And not only...winked
            According to the Israeli Internet portal Globes, stolen Syrian and Iraqi oil is readily bought in Israel.
            1. Atilag
              Atilag 2 December 2015 13: 00
              -1
              I'll tell you more, even Assad buys it.
        2. Koldunja
          Koldunja 1 December 2015 10: 01
          +3
          And for me, it's just Perdogan Jr. decided to organize an armed cover for his fuel trucks.
        3. Vikings
          Vikings 1 December 2015 10: 09
          +3
          Drop all doubts! While Russia is in Syria,
          the Turks there only hell shines, and in the nearest per-
          prospect. Turkey will not go there under any pressure.
          The prospect of meeting with V.K.S., sobering up
        4. Alekseev
          Alekseev 1 December 2015 18: 16
          +4
          Quote: Canep
          and begin cleaning the Kurds

          And why didn’t they clean the Kurds before?
          They, these Kurds in Syria, and in Iraq, and in Turkey as much as 10 million.
          Every eighth Turk is not a Turk at all, but a Kurd. And a sluggish war with them lasts for decades ...
          Now we need to support this people, Assad will give them autonomy after the victory, and they will not let the Turks relax.
      2. Mitek
        Mitek 1 December 2015 07: 43
        30
        Put article minus. No one pulls the Turks, rather the opposite. And everything that is said and written in the media is aimed at brainwashing the western inhabitants. Begin kneading, immediately with links to your old articles they will write that the Turks came to Syria to fight the terrorists, and the insidious and vile Russians bombed them.
        Turks support ISIS. The Turks themselves ISIS. In the ranks of ISIS there are many Turkish military. Everything else is nothing more than tinsel. Turks need to show Europe that they are against ISIS. In addition, it is necessary to justify the extension to the borders of Syria more than a thousand units of armored vehicles. I'm afraid something will happen soon. We will face the closure of the straits, the prohibition of overflights of aviation and others. Possible conflict in Karabakh and the simultaneous activation of the Ukrainian army. And all this against the background of the Turkish invasion of Syria.
        Now it becomes clear to whom the bombing of ISIS from strategists was addressed. In my opinion, the situation is very disturbing.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 1 December 2015 08: 10
          +2
          Quote: Mitek
          In my opinion, the situation is very disturbing.


          On the one hand, you are right, there are many nuances, but for that it and the chess party in order to prevent in one place create the preconditions for stepping up in the other direction .. and notice so far no one has used the CSTO levers ... and as soon as the Caucasus is moved I think these levers will be involved ... and even if we have to minimize our actions in Syria, then the Persians will get a full carte blanche ... the USSR as a good example ... it’s hard to rebuild the empire - it’s hard to revive .. especially if the world don’t want to laughing
      3. Samaritan
        Samaritan 1 December 2015 07: 48
        +9
        GDP in the know, preparing for any outcome:
        1. slaw14
          slaw14 1 December 2015 12: 50
          +5
          Earlier in the comments I wrote about Erdogan su shot down due to revenge on the lost oil trains, I am very glad that I agree with our president. It may sound blasphemous, but the death of our aircraft was a salvation for northern Syria and part of the Kurds. The Turks in those days were just planning an invasion of the northern regions, supposedly to protect their dope addicts, now after s-400 hu .. im.
      4. Abrekkos
        Abrekkos 1 December 2015 14: 46
        +5
        Yes saw Erdogan on Obama.

        He has his own imperial project in which he simply uses the USA and NATO. With Turks, they are always on their minds. In addition, they are arrogant.

        You should not see Washington's long arm everywhere, and all the more fear it. Fear has big eyes. This hand, though strong, is crooked and clumsy.

        Many countries simply use it as a tool. The same Israel, the United States simply uses. Although, since he does not plan to build an Empire, but ensures security for himself, he uses them less noticeably and brazenly.

        And Erdogan will do what he wants. It will be 100% use that it is extremely difficult for us to give him a symmetrical answer in the sky of Syria-Turkey. He was also a friend to us. But we framed his back and he saw that he wouldn’t receive change and immediately hit his friends in the back.

        He will pose as a winner on the inside of the country and the hegemon who besieged Russia in the region. All this is for the imperial project of Turkey, which he has been promoting since the beginning and which is not profitable either for the USA or even for the EU.

        At the same time, with the Turkish treachery, it will nod and prepare to strike at the back of the USA, and if NATO can. Hands ISIS, Turkomanov or anyone else do not care. At the same time, he constantly assured us of friendship and even devotion as he assured us.

        He is building a Middle Eastern empire.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 1 December 2015 20: 23
          +1
          Quote: Abrekkos
          He is building a Middle Eastern empire.
          - he will eat something, but who will give it to him? So, in the plans of Russia (after all, a superpower, albeit not economic, but military, for sure), the revival of the Ottoman Empire is not included. Syria? Also not happy. Iraq? Iraq under the influence of Iran. Iran? Not enthusiastic - he has his own plans. Greece? laughing laughing I said everything with a laugh ... Bulgaria? They don’t smile at them either ... Under pressure from the amers, Bulgaria caves in, but in Sofia, after the downing of the Russian bomber, they expressed their attitude towards the Ottoman Empire ... I think that even Ottomania does not lush at all with Israel ...
          In Russia, approximately everything is the same, there are also plenty of opponents of the revival of the Russian empire along the perimeter, but! First, Russia, along with the promotion of the revival of its empire, simultaneously offers an alternative to the Anglo-Saxon monopoly of world domination. Secondly, Russia has not yet given birth, but it can potentially offer the world an alternative ideology and an alternative world architecture. Erdogan and Co does not offer anything of the kind, only what the Greeks with the Bulgarians and Serbs ate from the Ottomans in the century before last, don't play around. I am generally silent about Armenians and Pontic Greeks! The conclusion is simple - the more the Turks are zealous, the faster they will be torn apart. An anti-Turkish coalition will appear - and hello! Even the United States will not be able to help, there is simply nowhere for them to help the Turks with weapons or military force. Kurds with Syrians and Iranians will tie up the Turkish army, at this time the Russians will simply zero out all military depots with ammunition, all weapons factories, all Turkish aviation in dust with "calibers" ... Can't the Turks see this? They have fierce enemies all around. Russia has the same, but all of them, including the new Ukraine, are dwarfs, and Turkey has all, if not the same weight category as Turkey, then only one step lower, but at the same time Russia is also a cut above. No, I recently learned that the Balkans have a saying "well, you and the Turks!", Which roughly means "well, you and!" I made sure that the Balkans are right! laughing With a sharp movement towards its Ottoman Empire, Turkey will have four months to live, well, five. And then - Kurdistan, the withdrawal of Ararat of Armenia, the Turkoman Republic, the appearance of Istanbul of Constantinople together
          1. Travian
            Travian 2 December 2015 12: 13
            0
            and this means increased influence of Russia. Only to the West is it unprofitable. Here they will support the Turks against us. So that would weaken us and Turkey for one.
          2. Atilag
            Atilag 2 December 2015 13: 05
            0
            Bulgaria, Greece, Syria, do you think these countries have a word? Or the right to an opinion, it’s so an appendage and no one will support them if they enter into an open confrontation with the Turks.
    2. theadenter
      theadenter 1 December 2015 06: 38
      -1
      TK "Zvezda" reports that the Turks do not allow Russian ships through the Bosphorus.

      Several dozen Russian ships accumulated on the passage through the Bosphorus. Turkey makes them wait hours for permission to enter the strait, writes RT.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2015 06: 46
        +5
        Quote: theadenter
        TK "Zvezda" reports that the Turks do not allow Russian ships through the Bosphorus.

        Several dozen Russian ships accumulated on the passage through the Bosphorus. Turkey makes them wait hours for permission to enter the strait, writes RT.

        wake-up call ... sounds like the beginning of the end.
        1. Alena Frolovna
          Alena Frolovna 1 December 2015 06: 52
          18
          "Events are racing, keep the Kitty's pince-nez"


          We have already gone through this.

          At the end of the 70's, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.

          To this statement, Comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that for a passage to the Mediterranean, the USSR Black Sea Fleet would need only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR.

          We may recall again, otherwise, apparently, their memory is short.



          http://www.infowars.com/turkey-blockades-russian-shipping-black-sea-fleet-comple
          tely-cut-off /
          1. Belousov
            Belousov 1 December 2015 09: 28
            +8
            Alas, now the leadership does not have enough political will. Now we all have "partners", everyone has capital in the West. So again our authorities will swallow this slap in the face.
            1. Afinogen
              Afinogen 1 December 2015 11: 10
              +1
              Quote: Belousov
              Alas, now the leadership lacks the political will.


              Political will is not enough because there is no military power as in the late 70s. If now the Turkish fleet is superior to ours on the Black Sea, not to mention the entire NATO fleet.
              What kind of political will can be discussed ?????? Our leadership is trying not to get involved in the war by all means, not responding to out of provocation. IMHO shot down our plane is a provocation to start a war invented by the Americans.
              1. TanyaKar
                TanyaKar 2 December 2015 00: 13
                -1
                Athenogen, DO NOT croak - not on a tree .... Everything - you know ... Read and listen to more, and most importantly analyze.
                No need for the funeral to perform in the homeland ... And then with whom will you discuss and where will you write, bacha?
            2. TanyaKar
              TanyaKar 2 December 2015 00: 08
              0
              The political leadership of Russia has nowhere to retreat ... The beaten traitors have nowhere to prosper in honor. And they can easily lose their capital ... There will not be enough will of the political elite, enough will of the military elite ...
              So do not sing the requiem of Russia.
              1. ANTI.KORR.
                ANTI.KORR. 2 December 2015 00: 23
                +3
                Quote: TanyaKar
                Not enough will of the political elite, enough will of the military elite ...

                "elite" is already sick from this word and the gag reflex is intensified when you see the persons for whom this word is used ...
              2. Travian
                Travian 2 December 2015 12: 38
                0
                in 91, the military elite pissed off to stand up for the defense of the USSR, otherwise the putsch would have passed and history would have evolved differently.
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          3. larand
            larand 1 December 2015 11: 03
            +1
            Quote: Alena Frolovna


            To this statement, comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) said ....
            We may recall again, otherwise, apparently, their memory is short.


            First, unfortunately, we do not have comrade Gromyko.
            Secondly, it was the Soviet Union, not the Russian Federation.
            Thirdly, the minister of ballroom dancing is not invited to a cocktail party at the White House.
          4. aba
            aba 1 December 2015 21: 52
            0
            Comrade Gromyko Andrey Andreevich

            But unfortunately, Andrei Andreevich is not in modern Russian politics, and the GDP cannot afford it. And no one listens to Zhirinovsky, how often he shouts about "boots in the ocean".
            1. TanyaKar
              TanyaKar 2 December 2015 00: 19
              0
              Correctly doing what he screams .... Maybe someone sensible will hear? Something Putin does not forget to invite him to the Security Council of the Russian Federation and personally does not avoid listening to him.
              It is a pity that he is not the prime minister. I wonder who honors us here.
              The political information here at VO is quite good.
          5. ANTI.KORR.
            ANTI.KORR. 2 December 2015 00: 18
            +1
            Quote: Alena Frolovna
            We may recall again, otherwise, apparently, their memory is short.

            Why do you compare Atlantes and Lilliputians? request
        2. TanyaKar
          TanyaKar 2 December 2015 00: 03
          +1
          What beginning of the end are you talking about, Andrei Yurievich?
          Maybe there will be enough alarmist sentiments and such pussies - "the beginning of the end".
          Russia will survive - as always ... It may be difficult, but not Russia a provocateur and this again, as has always been the case in history ...
      2. anfil
        anfil 1 December 2015 10: 49
        +3
        Quote: theadenter
        TK "Zvezda" reports that the Turks do not allow Russian ships through the Bosphorus.

        Several dozen Russian ships accumulated on the passage through the Bosphorus. Turkey makes them wait hours for permission to enter the strait, writes RT.


        After looking at a real-time chart of ship traffic, I noticed that mainly Turkish ships are anchored.
        Bosphorus Strait 01.12.15

        1. theadenter
          theadenter 1 December 2015 12: 34
          0
          Can you credit?
      3. Atilag
        Atilag 2 December 2015 12: 50
        0
        another stuffing and unverified information.
    3. Finches
      Finches 1 December 2015 07: 32
      +2
      hi

      Erdogan was apparently promised diplomatically to stop the Russian claims for covering the shop! They say Erdzhep, stop the tricks to breed from the Islamic State and gouge with oil, otherwise we wash our hands and deal with Putin himself ... Something like that!

      And the GDP should be made clear to the Osmayals that Istanbul and Ankara specifically entered the zone of interest of our Iskanders ....
    4. vodolaz
      vodolaz 1 December 2015 09: 49
      +3
      And Erdogan certainly obeyed. He has been playing his game for a long time, but these only kind of sighted.
    5. SAXA.SHURA
      SAXA.SHURA 1 December 2015 17: 30
      0
      Let them now try to get into the territory of Syria.
  2. smel
    smel 1 December 2015 05: 48
    +7
    I agree that it’s too late to chat ... It would be better to knock on the head to wake up
    1. Al_oriso
      Al_oriso 1 December 2015 06: 30
      +5
      Really. And then laughter and kindergarten: "one official from the Obama administration said, another Turkish official answered" ...
  3. EFA
    EFA 1 December 2015 05: 50
    21
    There is only one step before the provocation of the unleashing hand of the Turks to invade Syria. And it is quite likely that the goal of the "partners" is precisely this - to open a new front against the SA.
    Shouts from Washington may well be a cover and a pretext for pulling forces in the border area, and they are no stranger to arranging provocations, all the more so with the death of "their own".

    What is left for them, they closed the sky, it’s dangerous to fly, it remains only to go by land, so the Russians will not bomb us? One hundred percent - we will not.

    The alarming situation is very ...
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 1 December 2015 05: 54
      +3
      On Monday, a number of Turkish publications reported that two Turkish naval submarines Dolunay and Burakreis appeared in the area of ​​the Moskva guards missile cruiser covering the Russian Khmeimim airbase in the Syrian city of Latakia.
      The Turks also did not disregard the sea.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 1 December 2015 06: 44
        +1
        Quote: Mikhail M
        two submarines of the Turkish Navy "Dolunay" and "Burakreis" appeared. The Turks did not ignore the sea either.

        Raise a couple of Ka-27PL, let the guys practice in finding and detecting the enemy’s submarine. At the same time, there will be a raid and уnerves to shake hands. It will be possible, I think, with "to simulate a couple of attacks, if the" creatures "crawl close.
        1. Black Colonel
          Black Colonel 1 December 2015 08: 45
          +3
          You can drop training buoys and depth charges. Still practice.
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2015 06: 50
        +2
        Quote: Mikhail M
        The Turks also did not disregard the sea.

        but we didn’t have time to gain a foothold, the fleet in this theater, we are very weak. recourse
        1. TanyaKar
          TanyaKar 2 December 2015 00: 25
          +1
          You have Andrei Yuryevich everything is bad, wherever you look ... How are you preparing for the bad?
          We will be in time, everywhere we will quickly respond. Stop burying our aircraft, Russia and croaking ...
      3. Shark Lover
        Shark Lover 1 December 2015 09: 06
        +3
        Do you think our submarines under the bottom of Moscow are not?
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2015 09: 19
          +3
          Quote: Shark Lover
          Do you think our submarines under the bottom of Moscow are not?

          what is there to think when our boats have been there for a long time, but the essence is outside of them, and, in principle, with a steep kneading, there are few of ours there.
    2. prostofily
      prostofily 1 December 2015 15: 03
      +2
      Why won't the Russians bomb? Because everyone believes that the Russian army is weak, a mess in it? Yes, in this mess it may not fly in — that’s what they should be afraid of.
      Then you can just apologize for your dullness, but confusion.
  4. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 1 December 2015 05: 50
    +6
    “The rules of the game have changed. Enough is enough. The border should be sealed to the castle, - said a senior official from the Obama administration to Ankara. “This is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through the territory of Turkey.”

    Again the direction was confused exactly the opposite.
  5. ImPerts
    ImPerts 1 December 2015 05: 53
    +4
    It seems to me that Erdogan will use as S. Hussein. Take advantage and throw it away. Everything is good in it, but it is poorly managed, and this is fraught with NATO and its main force. NATO needs a counterbalance to Iran in the BV, however, like us, this synergy can bear fruit. And the fruits will be bitter for the party of justice and development.
  6. venaya
    venaya 1 December 2015 05: 57
    +5
    "The rules of the game have changed." “Enough is enough, —— The border must be closed” This is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through the territory of Turkey ”

    How cleverly it all turns out, they first organize problems and then try to be in the forefront in solving this problem, obtained precisely with their direct participation, just talent and nothing more.
  7. mirag2
    mirag2 1 December 2015 05: 58
    +1
    And Poroshenko is trying to find an ally in the person of Turkey ... Question, myself, or at the direction of the State Department?
    1. Canep
      Canep 1 December 2015 06: 06
      +4
      Brothers in mind. Or rather, its absence.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 1 December 2015 08: 12
        +7
        Quote: Canep
        Brothers in mind. Or rather, its absence.



        Applicants to the Crimea ... In the queue, Sons of bitches ... we now have luli weigh in order ...
  8. Nitarius
    Nitarius 1 December 2015 06: 03
    +2
    It's a pity that Erdogan was so short-sighted! The rules have changed but he did not notice! "
  9. izya top
    izya top 1 December 2015 06: 06
    +4
    banned with one hand and pushed with the other
  10. 34 region
    34 region 1 December 2015 06: 11
    +6
    Well, the Turks will put their troops on the border. Perfumes will not carry oil. They will have nothing to eat. How do they live? If the Turks use troops as a detachment. And spirits fight in Syria. Stupidly, the Turks will not be able to maintain (feed) an army of refugee loafers. So they will be disposed of in clashes. If the battles begin simultaneously on the outskirts of Russia and Syria, will we pull two fronts? A bomb of the spirits near the Turkish army can be presented with an attack on the Turkish army. Type Russia has lost coast and is committing an act of aggression. The Turks will certainly be fighters against terrorism (they have blocked the border!). In any case, crowds of unemployed refugees need to be built somewhere. Beggars simply have no choice but to go to the assault squads where they promise to pay, plus brainwashing.
  11. sa-zz
    sa-zz 1 December 2015 06: 14
    +3
    “The rules of the game have changed. Enough is enough. The border should be sealed with a lock, ”a senior official from the Obama administration said to Ankara.

    Masks reset, gentlemen!
    The course of the "partners" was officially recognized, as well as another sharp maneuver to the side (which shows the predictability of their actions, among other things).
  12. eugraphus
    eugraphus 1 December 2015 06: 14
    +4
    The security zone issue, in my opinion, is very slippery. Otherwise, this zone would have been opened long ago. If such an incident occurs, it will thus allow "justifiably" to take the territories of neighboring states under its influence.
  13. 72jora72
    72jora72 1 December 2015 06: 17
    +3
    Quote: mirag2
    Yeah? But what about the mass of technology moved to the border of Syria?
    it is food for sunflowers and hailstones
    1. Atilag
      Atilag 2 December 2015 12: 58
      0
      the number of our MLRS in Syria is not enough to cover several regiments at the same time, and if the Turks enter, 2-3 divisions will be involved. How many personnel are there? a brigade, two? What are you going to "cover" with?
  14. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2015 06: 25
    +3
    The rules of the game have changed. Enough is enough.

    This confirms Washington's interest in Turkey's previous actions (the rules have changed, we will act differently). It's just that the Turks, with their ambitions, did something that shouldn't have been done even with the tacit consent of the Americans. But it only seems to me that Erdogan will understand by his "enough is enough" and will continue to bend his line.
  15. parusnik
    parusnik 1 December 2015 06: 28
    +8
    And it would be strange to think, let’s note in conclusion, that Ankara, which has been “stabbing Syria in the back” for 5 years, would suddenly abandon its long-term strategy... Something and I am tormented by doubts ... Once and at once the border was closed ... and the terrorists refused not to let go ... Most likely, in my opinion, under such good intentions there is a concentration of Turkish troops ... for the invasion of Syria ..to support "moderate terrorists" ...
    1. the villain
      the villain 1 December 2015 13: 28
      +1
      Quote: parusnik
      . and the terrorists refused to let go ...

      That's right. + hi
  16. cap
    cap 1 December 2015 06: 30
    +2
    Quote: venaya
    "The rules of the game have changed." “Enough is enough, —— The border must be closed” This is an international threat, it comes from Syria and passes through the territory of Turkey ”

    How cleverly it all turns out, they first organize problems and then try to be in the forefront in solving this problem, obtained precisely with their direct participation, just talent and nothing more.

    The scenario is similar to 2MB. There was a Fuhrer No. 1 German, now No. 2 Turkish.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 1 December 2015 06: 48
      +5
      Quote: cap
      There was a Fuhrer No. 1 German, now No. 2 Turkish

      The caliber is not the same. Adolf Aloizych was a funny mush, and Rezyap is more like a jester.
    2. sherp2015
      sherp2015 1 December 2015 10: 45
      +1
      Quote: cap
      The scenario is similar to 2MB. There was a Fuhrer No. 1 German, now No. 2 Turkish.


      Have you already forgotten "Ukrainian" Waltzman?
      1. the villain
        the villain 1 December 2015 13: 24
        +1
        Quote: sherp2015
        Have you already forgotten "Ukrainian" Waltzman?

        But he does not pull on the Fuhrer. The snout did not come out.
  17. bashkort
    bashkort 1 December 2015 06: 36
    +7
    Hello everyone! Turkish troops against DAESH are like bees against honey, chesslovo! Yes, there are at least a million of them lining up there, the barmalei will scurry back and forth calmly! If only for ammunition and humanitarian aid they will run to Turkish warriors. Something like that, I think.
  18. Zomanus
    Zomanus 1 December 2015 06: 41
    +2
    I think that Russia and Syria are now stepping up in terms of access to the borders with Turkey.
    That would close the issue with the "security zone" in the bud.
    And let the Turks on their land do whatever they want.
  19. V.ic
    V.ic 1 December 2015 06: 50
    +3
    T.N. "tugging" is just a game for the audience, for the stupid world opinion. An attempt to re-emphasize the "leading and guiding" role of the USA.
  20. mamont5
    mamont5 1 December 2015 07: 15
    +2
    Quote: mirag2
    So there is no detente from Turkey, it turns out.

    The discharge for Erdogan's death is similar. Political. Or maybe real. As for ukroPorosya.
  21. jetfors_84
    jetfors_84 1 December 2015 07: 18
    +3
    A state of thieves that steals oil from a neighbor on the quiet. And he dreams of chopping off a piece of territory while a neighbor fights back. So it must be said that Erdogan is a thief !!!
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  24. Do not care
    Do not care 1 December 2015 07: 38
    +4
    Immediately after the Turks shot down su 24, posts appeared on the American Facebook:




    For those who are not familiar with English I will explain the pun:
    The word Turkey has two meanings first is "Turkey" the second is "turkey" (Traditional Thanksgiving dish)
    1. EFA
      EFA 1 December 2015 10: 13
      0
      Thanksgiving (November 26th) has already passed. ((
  25. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 1 December 2015 07: 41
    +1
    smile Drawing within the meaning
  26. vitya1945
    vitya1945 1 December 2015 07: 46
    +2
    Close the Turkish border is possible only from the Syrian side.
    And the beginning has already been laid. The sky has already been closed, but for how long?
  27. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 1 December 2015 07: 54
    +2
    The main thing in this case is oil smuggling blocked, the rest will be oiled.
  28. PatriotKZ
    PatriotKZ 1 December 2015 07: 55
    0
    Without the main income (oil smuggling) of Barmal, they themselves will flee
  29. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 1 December 2015 07: 56
    15
    There is no jerking.
    Russia has been stumped: either the Russian Federation is losing all its positions, or war. The calculation is made on the reasonable reluctance of the Russian Federation to start a war.
    At the moment, the situation is similar to the Caribbean crisis. The only way out of the situation is in a unique solution, something like a demonstration of the determination to create two straits on the world map: the name of Stalin and the name of Putin, the creation of which the West is likely to refuse.
    In fact, the "maize" Khrushchev, with the determination to show "Kuzkin's mother" and with a shoe in his hand, was able to besiege the presumptuous west. True, they do not erect monuments to him, unlike the EBN, which sold the country and the people to whom memorials are opened and monuments are erected, which have to be washed from ink and protected from popular anger.
    1. Cap.Morgan
      Cap.Morgan 1 December 2015 09: 03
      +2
      Interestingly, does the West want war? Probably just dreaming.
    2. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 1 December 2015 09: 26
      +8
      The situation is very difficult. But! In the last 20-30 years, when was it light? Remember, the 90s, shooting on the streets (the deputies currently paving their way for themselves), the army was falling apart (even if we now take the threat of nuclear weapons, then who would guarantee that our nuclear weapons wouldn’t plummet, some other idiot- Chubais or the like, the collapse of the Russian Federation itself, not to mention the USSR, Chechnya, etc. The only less calm years were 2000, 5-6 years, when the GDP pretended to be complaisant and prepared resources. So, what is happening now I think we can’t help anything now, can’t influence in any way (I mean ordinary people), we hope for the President that he was able to prepare enough, it’s quite possible that this situation will give him an additional resource in terms of clearing nonsense and traitors he’s using it in the upper circles .. Well, he’ll bum, then he’s bum, I hope our button pianists don’t let us down, and we will look there. shoots once a year, but once to move the buttocks at the first request of all the Tents Ubam islanders do not want to.
  30. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 1 December 2015 08: 02
    +2
    The Turks also want to create a safe zone in Syria - the realization of the idea that the Obama administration “postponed”, finding it “too risky and complicated."
    And the Turks did not eat fish soup?
    On their territory, let them want what they want. And do not open your mouth to another loaf.
    Learn Russian, chumps, soon our language for the whole world will be relevant.
    1. Oprichnik
      Oprichnik 1 December 2015 11: 05
      +3
      The safe zone in Syria is that part of the territory of Syria claimed by Turkey. And now she is becoming a springboard for the deployment of strike groups in Latakia. Closing the straits or obstructing our ships is a reason to force Russia to resolve the conflict by force. I did not state anything new. Turkey is being slaughtered. And Russia is declared the aggressor. I think there should be an appeal from Putin to the People. War no longer smacks of, but carries.
  31. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 1 December 2015 08: 10
    +1
    The strange reaction of our CSTO allies, especially Belarus
    "It is regrettable that the tragic incident with the downed plane of the Russian Aerospace Forces Su-24M, which took place on November 24, 2015, is regrettable. We express our condolences in connection with the death of Russian military personnel as a result of this incident," the Kazakh Foreign Ministry said in a statement.
    "Such tragic and very dangerous incidents cause deep regret and extreme concern. Especially when they occur in a region where a bloody armed confrontation has been going on for several years already, and when brotherly Russia and friendly Turkey become participants in such incidents" - Belarus

    And we still support Lukoshenko ...
  32. 31rus
    31rus 1 December 2015 08: 27
    +4
    Dear, I completely agree with the opinion that the article does not reflect reality, and it is, the Turks act independently, but they are silently supported by both the US and the EU, while each has its own plans for both Turkey and Syria, the Turks position themselves as a "leader "the entire region and this plays into the hands of the West, the aggravation of relations with Russia, apparently does not bother the West, because Turkey is a key partner. We and Syria must close the border, otherwise this section will be a" headache ", the Turks will definitely take measures to confrontation both on the border and at sea, Europe and the United States will be silent or "condemn while supporting Turkey. There will certainly be another provocation against Russia
  33. Bakht
    Bakht 1 December 2015 08: 40
    11
    Two pennies of a civilian person.

    Weren't we taught what "hidden mobilization" is? Under the pretext of closing the border, Turkey is pushing 30 groups to their original positions. With tanks and artillery. Until now, it has been an axiom that the border is blocked by border guards with light weapons.

    The opinion of the pessimist. the Americans are pushing the Turkish army to its original positions. The next stuffing will be "due to the complexity of overlapping the border, it is necessary to occupy the entire area inhabited by Turkomans."

    What is in real life if we discard all words? The Americans are promoting the Kurds to capture Raqqa, and even sent as many as 50 special forces. There is no military sense from them. But there is reason to say that we helped the Kurds and grab a piece of Syria under Syrian Kurdistan, following the example of Iraqi. The second piece will be seized by the Turkoman region and annexed to Turkey. Well, or declare a protectorate. In both cases, grateful Kurds and Turks will continue to supply the West with cheap oil. The truth is already without Erdogan. But who needs a broken six?
    1. Cossack Ermak
      Cossack Ermak 1 December 2015 10: 32
      +3
      I also think that the troops are pushing for a subsequent attack on Racca. Syria will be divided. The Turks were promised a piece of territory with the residence of Turkoman. Everything is simple.
  34. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 08: 50
    +2
    Perdogan will fix only the grave! The best thing is to arrange a nook on the Syrian-Turkish border, constantly bomb the caravans and at the same time finish off Turkey with sanctions ... and wait a bit!
  35. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 1 December 2015 08: 56
    +5
    Quote: Alena Frolovna
    May we remind you again

    Before joining the upstarts, take a look at the map in real time yourself.
    Something I do not see the crowds at anchor places in the Bosphorus.
    m / v "Omsk", for example, lights up ..! And he is definitely under the Russian flag ...
    Do not forget that we can deliver the goods we need under any flag ...
  36. anip
    anip 1 December 2015 09: 09
    -3
    And it would be strange to think, let’s note in conclusion, that Ankara, which has been “hitting Syria in the back” for 5 years, would suddenly abandon its long-term strategy aimed at overthrowing Assad. Recall that in 2013 Erdogan called Assad a “butcher” and a “murderer”.

    And, nevertheless, Putin ran to the Turks with the "Turkish Stream" (money, it turns out, is above all, but what about patriotism? ...) and then the jingo-patriots sang the guarantor of praise. Yes, however, they "explain" all the guarantor's rushes by some kind of mythical HSP that exists only in their imagination.
  37. Belousov
    Belousov 1 December 2015 09: 41
    0
    I wonder if anyone else believes in Fashington's "good" intentions? Turks and Europeans will give up cheap oil? What else is the border closure with the help of the army? Will they put the tank right on the trail? They are simply preparing to occupy northern Turkey with the aim of further deploying militants there for treatment and training. Ours and the Syrians need to accelerate in terms of clearing the border. Otherwise, then it will not be possible to get the barmaley under the wing of the Turkish army.
  38. Mantykora
    Mantykora 1 December 2015 09: 43
    +3
    30000 soldier to block the border? More like organizing an invasion force.
  39. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 1 December 2015 10: 00
    0
    At a recent talk show at Solovyov, an invited Polish journalist, commenting on the incident with a Russian bomber shot down by Turkey, said that the Turks showed the whole world that "the king is naked." The effect of the annexation of Crimea, the Donbass company, and at first the successful Syrian expedition, when it seemed that the revival of Russian imperial power was on the rise, was largely negated by the rocket launched by the Turkish fighter. There was no crushing answer. The Turks decided, but Russia did not. Paid for their arrogance, they thought that no one would mess with a nuclear power. But the Turks went on aggravation. Let from thoughtlessness, if not of their own free will, but let’s go.
    I don’t know if the options for a war with Turkey were calculated in the Russian General Staff, but it’s obvious that Russia is not ready to fight immediately. The military power of Turkey, compactly located in Asia Minor, is quite comparable to the Russian non-nuclear one. smeared from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean. It is still necessary to put it together in one fist, but so far there are no grounds for using nuclear weapons. So you have to grit your teeth, and introduce for now economic half measures that do not contribute to the rating. And at stake is no more no less than the prestige of Russia. Euphoria captured, and missed a beat. Much more significant than mosquito bites of Majlis scumbags on the supports of Crimean power lines.
    1. Dimych
      Dimych 1 December 2015 10: 13
      +5
      Why are you so eager to fight? Do not forget that at the time of the crisis in Turkey about 10 of our tourists were? Should they be left as hostages and potential victims? About 000 remained yesterday. The planned homecoming should end on December 1000. Until that moment, no sudden movements can be made.
  40. soroKING
    soroKING 1 December 2015 10: 26
    0
    Quote: Tatiana
    From the text of the article
    Erdogan said "enough"
    And yet, it seems that the United States and Turkey are just muddy between themselves - for those around them.
    On the one hand, the US requirements for Turkey contradict the interests of Erdogan’s own oil raider business with the export and sale of industrially produced cheap stolen oil from Syria. It seems that with this and because of this, Erdogan will definitely try to deceive the "trust" of the USA! At least a little from his business, he will illegally leave himself.
    And on the other hand, the United States, although strict in relation to Turkey, is partially satisfied with the collapse in Europe with refugees. Therefore, the United States will also look blindly at Turkey’s actions.
    Such a half-quality agreement between Turkey and the United States on the closure of the Turkish-Syrian border, in principle, should be expected from them.

    hand washes request
  41. Monster_Fat
    Monster_Fat 1 December 2015 10: 29
    0
    Turkey, with the support of the US and the EU, will invade northern Syria, ostensibly to cover and save the "moderate opposition" in the face of the Turkomans. This is already being prepared and it is likely to be. But what happens after that? Most likely, then Syria will consider this act of aggression and declare war on Turkey, and hello, Russia will instantly be drawn into a war against Turkey, a NATO member. So, what is next? The funny thing is that the US and the EU in advance, officially recognized the Assad regime as "illegitimate" specifically in order to "untie their hands" in any actions in Syria. Thus, Turkey's invasion of Syria by these states will not be considered an act of aggression against a sovereign state, and therefore will not receive condemnation from the "entire world community", and Turkey will instantly become the "defender" of the peoples of Syria "oppressed" by Assad and therefore receive all the support "world community". Russia, acting on the side of the "illegal" regime, will overnight become an accomplice of the "oppressor" and "tyrant" with all that it implies, with new sanctions, the closure of the Bosphorus for Russia, etc. Another scenario may envisage, in the event of Turkey's invasion of northern Syria, cessation of Russian aviation strikes in these northern regions, which will be controlled by the Turkish army, the de facto recognition of the separation of these occupied territories from Syria, etc. In this case, we will again be hurt by the "click on the nose", but we will not get a war with a NATO member, temporarily , but we need to stall for time, preventing further escalation of the conflict with Turkey, while the time "works for us" - we need to wait for our sanctions against Turkey and finish off ISIS in the remaining territory of Syria, and then we can try to return the territory occupied by Turkey to "peaceful through "negotiations in the UN, etc. But ... will our" sworn partners "allow us to act according to this" second scenario "...
    1. spolo
      spolo 1 December 2015 11: 20
      0
      If Turkey were expensive as a member, threats from NATO would come hourly
    2. Victor-M
      Victor-M 1 December 2015 22: 22
      0
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      The funny thing is that the US and the EU in advance, officially recognized the Assad regime as "illegal"

      And who are they to recognize the authorities of other countries illegitimate? Someone gave them the right to choose the governments of other states? If so, then why not adopt the same practice with them in relation to their NATO members and their Middle Eastern allies, at least they have passed the limit, and we have nothing to lose, war is inevitable anyway.
  42. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2015 10: 38
    +1
    The Obama administration is pushing Turkey to deploy additional troops along the border with Syria to close the 60-mile stretch of the border.


    And what will it give? The drug traffickers in Afghanistan have mercantile roofs and roofs. How many drugs on the military side of the merythos took? Allah alone knows, well, there may still be directors of the CIA. fellow
  43. Nikolay71
    Nikolay71 1 December 2015 11: 20
    +2
    More like preparing for the invasion of Syria.
  44. spolo
    spolo 1 December 2015 11: 51
    +1
    It's too late. The second air base is deployed.
  45. iliya87
    iliya87 1 December 2015 12: 25
    +1
    Dangerously. We and the Coalition understand differently under the call to close the border. It is possible that the Turks will climb into Syria "part of Syria" and then what? We have already seen this, under the pretext of a war with IS, they will occupy the territory of the so-called Turkmen and will shell the positions of the Syrian army. And the fact that "strengthening the border" will act exactly the opposite, just the troops are needed for stricter control of the territory from the Kurds and the troops of Assad, that's all.
  46. Uncle
    Uncle 1 December 2015 13: 21
    +1
    Adam Entus, Gordon Labold from Washington and Dion Nissenbaum from Istanbul.
    Quite "ours!" people. I have nothing against the Jews, however. smile
  47. dummy
    dummy 1 December 2015 13: 36
    0
    Quote: Belousov
    Alas, now the leadership does not have enough political will. Now we all have "partners", everyone has capital in the West. So again our authorities will swallow this slap in the face.

    For ... tormented already with capitals in the west. Yes, of course, there are many people with capital in the west. But they will just live. They will run away from Russia and register there. But what will we all do? What kind of pensions will they pay? Education and medicine will become much more expensive. Everyone will have to pay taxes to be terrible. Will we smuggle household appliances across the border? After all, we produce little! It was easy in the USSR to close the border - we all produced and lived not at the expense of oil imports.
  48. Dam
    Dam 1 December 2015 14: 08
    +1
    Eh, what mattresses cannot be denied is the sequence. The war in Ukraine didn’t work out, Transnistria didn’t grow together, Karabakh didn’t catch fire yet, we fussed in advance with Tajikistan, so here is Turkey. As the saying goes, "eat, do not crap." And most importantly, we will not go anywhere, if the evil Ottomans cross the border of Syria, we will fight like cute ones. And given the nature of our grouping, we cannot keep the Turks without TNW, well, nothing.
  49. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 1 December 2015 14: 23
    0
    According to the statement of the General Staff of Greece recently, after the inclusion of the S-400 complex, the Turks stopped violating the airspace of Greece, always turn on the turn signal and even began to transfer grandmothers across the road.
  50. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 2 December 2015 11: 34
    0
    The Turks object to this: they say, Washington itself is not able to reliably close the American-Mexican border. And the Americans need to understand from this how difficult such operations are.


    Gee-gee-gee! A cool bit! Even how complicated "such operations" are. Why can't the US close the Mexican border? And because the mexes carry weapons of terrible power, destroying any borders of the West. A little KC. A little money, and any military operation, in general, any Western efforts are doomed to failure.
    And a shaft of money, black, oil, thieves is pouring across the Turkish border ... what closure of the border ?! Are you crazy? Only our bombs and missiles that tirelessly destroy oil caravans are capable of closing it. And how will it look? I’ll take oil, but will I wrap the militants? Wrap it up. Oil flows with a vengeance into Israel ...