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The President of Russia proposes to grant the participants of the counter-terrorist operation in Syria (to the servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) the status of war veterans

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Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the government to consider the possibility of recognizing Russian servicemen sent to the antiterrorist mission in Syria as veterans of hostilities. This is reported by the press service. The Kremlin.


Vladimir Putin:
The Government of the Russian Federation is charged with considering the possibility of introducing amendments to the legislation of the Russian Federation providing for giving the status of a war veteran to citizens of the Russian Federation sent to the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic in connection with the conduct of hostilities.


The President of Russia proposes to grant the participants of the counter-terrorist operation in Syria (to the servicemen of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation) the status of war veterans


It is noted that such an instruction to the Russian government was given by the president after holding a meeting with representatives of the presidential council for the development of civil society and human rights.

Recall that in Syria, the Air Force of the Russian Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation operates, delivering rocket-bombing attacks on objects of terrorists. In addition, there are units of marines guarding the base, as well as military personnel of the C-400 Triumph anti-aircraft missile system, technical and support personnel at the Khmeimim airbase.
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  1. maxiban
    maxiban 30 November 2015 13: 20
    21
    Correct solution.
    1. Patriot 1
      Patriot 1 30 November 2015 13: 21
      15
      I fully support!
      1. Sasha 19871987
        Sasha 19871987 30 November 2015 13: 24
        13
        here, by default, such a status should be provided + participation in the conflict abroad and should be encouraged accordingly ...
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 30 November 2015 14: 06
          +2
          I support! This is the right offer! There should be no other proposal!
          1. jjj
            jjj 30 November 2015 14: 53
            +3
            Quote: Tatiana
            + participation in the conflict abroad and should be encouraged accordingly ...

            To salary plus two salaries and plus for special conditions of service. For the Marine Corps contractor with the Northern Fleet, this is over 100 thousand per month
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      2. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 30 November 2015 13: 24
        +6
        Everything is consistent and accurate. Official military assistance to Syria, officially recognized by the participants in the hostilities. hi
        1. Now we are free
          Now we are free 30 November 2015 13: 29
          +6
          Definitely YES. The decision is absolutely correct, especially after November 24, 2015. The guys fulfill their military duty every minute risking their lives and defending the interests of not only their country but also the faint-hearted world community, so that Paris "Friday 13" does not repeat itself.
          1. cniza
            cniza 30 November 2015 13: 51
            +4
            Quote: Now we are free
            Definitely YES. The decision is absolutely correct, especially after November 24, 2015. The guys fulfill their military duty every minute risking their lives and defending the interests of not only their country but also the faint-hearted world community, so that Paris "Friday 13" does not repeat itself.



            It would be strange if it were not recognized, and so everything is correct and the main thing is that everyone would return home alive and healthy.
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      3. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 30 November 2015 14: 02
        +2
        That's right. The guys there are really in hell and hold the flag of Russia high, I am sure they will approve this proposal.
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    3. Wild_grey_wolf
      Wild_grey_wolf 30 November 2015 13: 25
      +7
      at least some kind of social recognition, GOOD and NEEDED.
    4. Skif83
      Skif83 30 November 2015 13: 26
      +7
      Only sounds somehow ambiguous!
      What it means
      the possibility of recognition of Russian troops sent on an anti-terror mission to Syria as war veterans
      ?
      They are actually leading b / d.
      Another thing is that it will be necessary to take into account payments, etc. new veterans in the budget, and our budget is patched by such figures as Siluanov and the brethren.
      Now they’re cheating, we’ve got a Twitter government ...
      1. pettabyte
        pettabyte 30 November 2015 13: 36
        +5
        Quote: Skif83
        and our budget is patched by such figures as Siluanov and the brethren.


        Need a cleanup. The ideology is again introduced. Articles for sabotage, treason and theft of state property.
        Well, screams about "new37god !! 1", but to hell with these squeals, our liberals killed more people in the 90s than in the "years of repression" (TM), and they destroyed more enterprises than the Nazis in the Second World War. So they should shut up, female dogs are lascivious.
      2. Lenin
        Lenin 30 November 2015 13: 39
        +6
        Quote: Skif83
        Only sounds somehow ambiguous!

        That's strange to me. I had no doubt that the participants in the Syrian operation would receive such a status automatically. Even EBN received its center in difficult crisis times, and even the participants in the hostilities must, moreover, have to receive all the benefits that are due from the state.
        1. veksha50
          veksha50 30 November 2015 13: 51
          0
          Quote: Lenin
          That's strange to me. I had no doubt that the participants in the Syrian operation will receive this status automatically.



          It You no doubt ... It’s good that Putin himself guessed or smart people prompted in time ...

          Legislation in this aspect has long needed a radical assessment and revision ... And not just by the boyars, but by the Committee, which should include all the participants of both recognized and not officially recognized wars waged and waged by the USSR-Russia ...
      3. veksha50
        veksha50 30 November 2015 13: 47
        +2
        Quote: Skif83
        ?
        They are actually leading b / d.



        The adoption of the amendment to the law "On Veterans" should be specific, its wording should not be interpreted by any of the officials as something perverse, should not give a single loophole for people like Siluanov to deprive a person of his rights as a veteran ...

        PS And then since the time of the USSR we have a lot of people, both living and dead, turned out to be humiliated by such bureaucrats ...
        1. creak
          creak 30 November 2015 16: 01
          0
          Quote: veksha50
          should not give a single loophole such as Siluanov to deprive a person of his rights as a veteran ...


          Yes, the matter is not only and not so much in Siluanov — the thing is, first of all, that all the participants of the b / d should be made relevant notes in the documents about this. Without this, no decree will help ..
          At one time, some members of the military base in Egypt and Syria did not make such entries in military tickets ...
          And our native state, unlike the current situation in Syria, the participation of its citizens in local conflicts was silent, and sometimes even tried to refute ...
          So even after the adoption of the Federal Law "On Veterans" for such fighters there were serious problems with confirming their status and the fault was not some local bureaucrats, but some fathers-commanders ...
          1. veksha50
            veksha50 30 November 2015 16: 06
            0
            Quote: ranger
            So even after the adoption of the Federal Law "On Veterans" for such fighters there were serious problems with confirming their status and the fault was just bureaucrats in uniform.



            So I’m talking about this - the amendment introduced should not be double-interpreted ... But the fact that the bureaucrats did not include the necessary information in military tickets is a slightly different issue, the issue of slackness, which turned into problems for many people ...
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    5. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 30 November 2015 13: 41
      +6
      Not just right, but NATURAL.
      Sorry, but this is some kind of presidential self-PR, or something.
      Especially if we recall the "shameful" dragging out of the status issue for the guys who fought in Tajikistan and (not immediately!) In South Ossetia.
      It should be! There is nothing to trumpet the whole country from the TV.
      On the contrary, they would be surprised if it was different.

      It’s just a matter of business, to amend the Federal Law "On Veterans" without broadcasting a positive image of the authorities.
      Sorry, but I don’t understand such moments.
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    6. passerby1
      passerby1 30 November 2015 13: 43
      +2
      Yeah, posthumously, but we will ban the import of tomatoes from Turkey ... maybe ... someday ... then, most importantly, so as not to spoil the New Year holidays.
    7. Tor5
      Tor5 30 November 2015 14: 03
      0
      Moreover, the way it is, it is fully true.
    8. APASUS
      APASUS 30 November 2015 15: 24
      0
      Quote: maxiban
      Correct solution.

      It’s a strange decision, I’m very surprised that this doesn’t happen automatically. The guys really participate in the war, and the status is recognized by a separate decree ........... this system is somehow strange built.
      1. Hey
        Hey 30 November 2015 16: 54
        0
        For bureaucrats not only the name of the armed conflict is needed, but also the date of its beginning and end. And such conversations are already underway.
        For example, a participant in the war with Germany 1941 - 1945. the end date is May 9, 1945. And if the veteran was injured on May 10, 1945, it did not count as an offset ie it was received in peacetime. Well, hence the problems with disability and other things.
        So it will be here.
    9. guzik007
      guzik007 30 November 2015 16: 21
      0
      OFFERS ... Yes, GDP must sign a decree, and the point. I have signed such orders in the form of proposals more than once, I’m familiar with it. And you’ll go to prove, so it’s soft for you, so look at the footnote: not an order, but a proposal; at the discretion of local leaders. And you don’t know whether to laugh, or to remove the doorpost.
    10. Koshak
      Koshak 30 November 2015 20: 19
      0
      Quote: maxiban
      Correct solution.

      This has already been decided long ago, back in Soviet times. Angola, Afghanistan ... What kind of assignments can be - consideration? Some garbage! Automatically, they must be recognized by the database participants.
  2. Decathlon
    Decathlon 30 November 2015 13: 21
    +6
    Yes, God himself commanded!
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 30 November 2015 13: 21
    +4
    Necessarily social recognition and protection is necessary.
  4. Dangerous
    Dangerous 30 November 2015 13: 22
    +7
    The fighting, they are fighting in Syria. Absolutely logical decision of the supreme. Moreover, as it turns out, this is not an easy walk at all, but an occupation mortally dangerous for the lives of our military
  5. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 November 2015 13: 22
    +2
    The correct formulation of the question is, of course, fighters against terrorists deserve this title.
  6. bad
    bad 30 November 2015 13: 23
    +3
    with both hands, FOR! .. so that the guys do not have to wait for many years like us .. in the war, after all, they do not indulge in buns ..
  7. soroKING
    soroKING 30 November 2015 13: 24
    +3
    Why offer? Just take it and do it soldier
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 13: 55
      0
      Quote: soroKING
      Why offer? Just take it and do it



      Well, in principle, he could have done it with his Decree ... But, apparently, he regretted the poor boyars, gave them the opportunity to adopt such an amendment to the law and thereby give an opportunity to report on how they are about the people, with weapons in their hands defending honor and interests of Russia ...

      Now they can also say: "We plowed ..." ...
  8. Vikings
    Vikings 30 November 2015 13: 24
    +2
    That’s right! And that all benefits and accruals relied upon
    as combatants!
  9. Monos
    Monos 30 November 2015 13: 25
    +6
    The stump is clear. And what other "actions" can they be veterans? The guys are taking risks and should be calm behind the lines. If only then the bureaucrats did not say: "I did not send you there ...".
  10. linen
    linen 30 November 2015 13: 28
    0
    And it is right !
  11. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 30 November 2015 13: 30
    +4
    how complicated it is. a person who, in fact, takes part in the hostilities, still needs to appropriate something.
    1. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 30 November 2015 13: 59
      0
      Quote: LEVIAFAN
      how complicated it is. a person who, in fact, takes part in the hostilities, still needs to appropriate something.


      You know, there are collisions. For example, the issue with veterans of Tajikistan was considered for more than 10 years, there was no immediate amendment for veterans of the South Ossetian events, even in 1999, when the militia of Dagestan, together with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, repelled the attack of Chechen fighters, and then some militia residents were awarded the Order of Courage, but ... not recognized by war veterans. True, a few years later, through the court achieved.

      Indeed, in order for laws and decrees to act effectively, it is necessary to work selflessly. And this is precisely what neither the State Duma nor the SovFed can really do, the Government is just as mediocre and liberal, and that’s why the President’s operational management - Decrees - has to manage.
  12. EvgNik
    EvgNik 30 November 2015 13: 32
    +2
    Here you don't even need to consider - it should go on the machine. And the proposal to the government to "consider" is simply an act of disrespect for those who risk their lives, are at war. And not only for Syria, but also for us.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 13: 57
      +1
      Quote: EvgNik
      It’s not even necessary to consider here - it should go on the machine... And the proposal to the government to "consider" is simply an act of disrespect for those who risk their lives, are at war



      To be "on the machine" - you need a normal law ... And then he (On Veterans) still gives officials the opportunity to ambiguously read and implement it ...

      And he showed his disrespect to the officials - it was THEY who had to bring such legislation into normal mode for a long time ...
  13. An64
    An64 30 November 2015 13: 36
    +2
    Absolutely the right decision!
    Only it is not clear why in the headline "The President proposes ...", if in fact - the President instructed!
    And why wasn’t such an initiative born in the Duma? It would be logical to make such changes to the legislation simultaneously with the approval of decisions on the use of the RF Armed Forces outside the state.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 13: 58
      0
      Quote: An64
      And why wasn’t such an initiative born in the Duma?



      There was no time for THEM to deal with such "little things" ... Here HE reminded them, offered ...
  14. avva2012
    avva2012 30 November 2015 13: 38
    +1
    How about a contract, that is, "insurance"? Naturally preferential, the monthly payment of which, at the expense of the state? Participant is good, "out of line" and all that. But, money, there is money. If you are crippled, then a plus to the pension. If killed, then a real significant help to the family. Yes, and if, returned normally, then all the same, plus.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 00
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      If crippled, then plus to retirement. If they killed, then real significant help to the family. Yes, and if, returned normally, then anyway, plus.



      This is all defined by law (compensation to the family for the death of a breadwinner, wounding - disability) ... Another question is that the amount of assistance-compensation could be increased ...
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 30 November 2015 14: 22
        0
        I am, and I'm talking about insurance. Amounts for injury, one or another severity, death, would be different. And commercial banks would pay off against state guarantees. It is possible to create a separate commercial structure from the MO, something like Sberbank, of course 50+ of the shares belong to the state. The profitability of this structure was guaranteed from other activities. Actively, sponsors would be involved.
  15. Rossiyanin
    Rossiyanin 30 November 2015 13: 40
    0
    Quote: Sasha 19871987
    here, by default, such a status should be provided + participation in the conflict abroad and should be encouraged accordingly ...

    In fact, and what is it that they just started talking about it, it should have been by default from the beginning, it’s not a pity for our well-done aces.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 30 November 2015 14: 02
      0
      Quote: Rossiyanin
      nothing is sorry for our well-done aces.



      Hmm ... there are not only aces - well done ... There are still a lot of people who provide aces with safety and reliability of their combat work ...
  16. raid14
    raid14 30 November 2015 13: 42
    +1
    They are promptly resolving the issue of WBD status in Syria. At one time, after the first company for 8 years, they were waiting for a decree and the issuance of certificates.
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 30 November 2015 13: 46
      +1
      Thoughts coincided simultaneously - in time
  17. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 30 November 2015 13: 43
    0
    That's right, in Russian! The main thing is that this is during --- and not after everything is over and a "historical assessment" has been given. The proposal to the government is a formality. Whatever they find, they don't get out, you know where from --- mean people who love to rewrite the history of our Motherland.
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 30 November 2015 13: 53
      0
      The right and right decision should be awarded to the children and given privileges and, if possible (unless otherwise required by secrecy), to tell the whole country about the exploits that they performed. And in no case should the situation be the same as with the Afghans who actually spat at the time of Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
  18. Lyapis
    Lyapis 30 November 2015 13: 46
    0
    It is noted that such an instruction to the Russian government was given by the president after holding a meeting with representatives of the presidential council for the development of civil society and human rights.

    For once, human rights activists have offered at least something sensible ...
  19. bylec
    bylec 30 November 2015 13: 47
    0
    so they really are participants in the hostilities.
  20. LEVIAFAN
    LEVIAFAN 30 November 2015 14: 02
    0
    Quote: SibSlavRus
    Quote: LEVIAFAN
    how complicated it is. a person who, in fact, takes part in the hostilities, still needs to appropriate something.


    You know, there are collisions. For example, the issue with veterans of Tajikistan was considered for more than 10 years, there was no immediate amendment for veterans of the South Ossetian events, even in 1999, when the militia of Dagestan, together with the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation, repelled the attack of Chechen fighters, and then some militia residents were awarded the Order of Courage, but ... not recognized by war veterans. True, a few years later, through the court achieved.

    Indeed, in order for laws and decrees to act effectively, it is necessary to work selflessly. And this is precisely what neither the State Duma nor the SovFed can really do, the Government is just as mediocre and liberal, and that’s why the President’s operational management - Decrees - has to manage.

    you confuse. The president personally sent these people with the permission of the Federation Council to fight specifically. or were they sending agronomists there?
  21. Audiomaniac
    Audiomaniac 30 November 2015 14: 34
    -1
    Putin proposes, Tefft decides, the Cabinet fulfills. Riddle: who steers?
  22. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 November 2015 15: 55
    -1
    Russian guys carry out their sacred for a long time! But how would it be otherwise ..
  23. moskowit
    moskowit 30 November 2015 17: 26
    0
    How else? Well-known Russian bureaucratic nutoten. For the obvious, you need to make a decision. Our guys are fighting in full, and they are just going to assign a status. Such things should have been "default" for a long time! And not only in Syria. Everywhere, wherever there is a threat to life and health !!!
  24. Hell's Angel
    Hell's Angel 30 November 2015 17: 50
    +1
    This is of course a good thing. But besides 2.500 per month and craps such as garden society ... One hemorrhoids!
    During the prophylactic medical examination of the letter "VBD" on the card, the doctors do not act well, let alone psychologists ...! Especially if you are transferred to a higher position.
    1. Slavin
      Slavin 30 November 2015 23: 19
      0
      I agree, one name and two rubles with copecks, and inflate as the Hero is appropriated. WITH SUCH PUMP, TALK ABOUT ONE FILLING OF THE MACHINE. Circus PS WBD
      1. Timeout
        Timeout 3 December 2015 14: 32
        0
        Quote: Slavyn
        PS WBD

        Really? Something you have strange notions ... Especially commenting on the "superveteran" by the nickname "angel of hell."
        Quote: Slavyn
        Where so much joy, the Slavs of the Slavs frighten the Chechens whom they themselves are afraid of.

        Judging by the comment, you are not far from the "angel" ...
  25. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 30 November 2015 20: 21
    +1
    The solution is good, but I think we should not put stamps, and not forget about such participants upon retirement!
  26. NeRTT
    NeRTT 30 November 2015 21: 33
    0
    That's right !! With such a danger and a real threat !!! good