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Greek Prime Minister called Turkish pilots nervous

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Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras decided to comment on the reaction of the Turkish side to the Russian counter-terrorist operation in Syria. In his microblogging on Twitter, Tsipras writes that the Greek pilots are “not as nervous as the Turkish ones,” adding that the violation of Greek sovereignty in the airspace of the Aegean islands is “stupid and unthinkable.” We are talking about numerous facts of violation of Greek airspace by Turkish military aircraft.


Greek Prime Minister called Turkish pilots nervous


Earlier, Greek Foreign Minister Nikos Kotzias expressed his condolences to the Russians over the Su-24M bomber shot down by the Turks of the Russian Aerospace Forces and called Turkey’s actions towards Russia “an unfriendly act”. At the same time, materials were published in the Greek media that over the year Turkish Air Force planes, on average, about 1,3 thousand times violate the airspace of Greece, and if the Greeks shot down Turkish planes every time, then aviation the Turks would have long gone.

The head of the Turkish government Davutoglu responded to the statement of the Greek officials. On Twitter, Davutoglu wrote that Tsipras does not “focus on the agenda”, and his words about Turkish nerve pilots “do not correspond to the realities”.
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  1. The black
    The black 30 November 2015 12: 18 New
    57
    It would be better if the Greek Pvoshniki were nervous ...
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 30 November 2015 12: 20 New
      +5
      Tsipras: ONE-DEFERRED?
      Опять же, В лоб выстрелил и говорит : "Ох, перенервничал! Ну с кем не бывает, день сегодня не задался! hi "
    2. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 November 2015 12: 38 New
      +4
      Greek Prime Minister called Turkish pilots nervous
      да пошёл ты "цытрус"...сам то не лучше! думаешь забыли твои финты ушами? wassat
      1. The black
        The black 30 November 2015 13: 31 New
        +3
        that's for sure. I agree. One should not expect mercy from anyone. It has long been necessary to understand that everyone will betray and throw at a convenient moment for each of them.
    3. Lenin
      Lenin 30 November 2015 12: 43 New
      +1
      Quote: Black
      It would be better if the Greek Pvoshniki were nervous ...

      And if they really start to get nervous and shoot down? Who will win, the Turks have more planes or the Greeks missiles? hi
      1. The black
        The black 30 November 2015 13: 06 New
        +3
        Both Greece and Turkey are NATO countries, so Russia will win. wink
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 13: 30 New
        +3
        Quote: Lenin
        And if they really start to get nervous and shoot down? Who will win, the Turks have more planes or the Greeks missiles?

        And if you help? Guess from three times who exactly ... laughing
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      4. gjv
        gjv 30 November 2015 13: 53 New
        +5
        Quote: Lenin
        Who will win, the Turks have more planes or the Greeks missiles?

        Давайте попробуем посчитать этих "козлят". У греков:
        21 (according to some information 25) SAM "Tor-M1" for 8 missiles = 168;
        38 Osa-M air defense systems, 4 missiles each = 152;
        54 SAM "ASRAD" for 4 missiles = 216;
        42 SAM "MIM-23B Hawk" 3 missiles = 126;
        3 missile boats "Russen" on 21 missiles = 63;
        10 frigates "Standard" of 8 missiles = 80;
        4 frigates "Hydra" 16 missiles = 64;
        156 F-16 Fighting Falcon aircraft with 4 rockets = 624;
        22 Mirage 2000 aircraft with 4 rockets = 88;
        34 F-4 Phantom II aircraft with 4 rockets = 136;
        Итого 1717 ракет классов "З-В" и "В-В". Примем боевую эффективность современных ракет на уровне 34%. Получаем 583 результативных попадания. На 208 турецких F-16 и 41 F-5 должно хватить. Ну ещё добавьте 450-500 ПЗРК Stinger, более 700 зенитных пушек калибра от 20 до 76 мм в сухопутных войсках и на кораблях, самолетные пушки.
        Question: will there be enough will to win (endurance, but also determination to apply, hardness, stamina and training) ?! soldier
        1. Manager
          Manager 30 November 2015 14: 00 New
          0
          Something figures are fantastic, especially in times of crisis. Most likely it's all on paper.
          1. gjv
            gjv 30 November 2015 14: 41 New
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            Quote: Manager
            Most likely it's all on paper.

            Recently, missile boat training was held. The shooting was by no means paper. hi Although the crisis.
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        3. gjv
          gjv 30 November 2015 14: 06 New
          +2
          Quote: gjv
          Question: will there be enough will to win (endurance, but also determination to apply, hardness, stamina and training) ?!

          There were precedents.
          In 1985-1986, interceptions and maneuvers took place between the Greek F-4E and Turkish F-104G, according to unconfirmed information, two Turkish Starfighters crashed during these intercepts.
          Both Turkish and Greek F-16s have repeatedly participated in air incidents between the air forces of the two countries. Almost always, such incidents occurred without firing, but on October 8, 1996 this rule was violated: a Turkish F-2000 was shot down by a Greek Mirage 16 fighter, one of whose crew members died. Information about this case was hidden by both parties and was recognized by the Turkish representative only in 2003.
          On June 18, 1992, during the interception of two Turkish F-16s, the Greek Mirage F1 crashed.
          On July 15, 1993, during a training flight, the Greek F-16 crashed; according to one version, it could be intercepted by the Turkish F-16.
          On September 2, 1994, the Greek F-4E, over the Aegean Sea, mistakenly shot down another Greek F-4E.
          On February 8, 1995, a Turkish F-16, flying into Greek airspace, was intercepted by two Greek Mirage F1s and crashed while maneuvering the F-16.
          On October 20, 1995, the Turkish reconnaissance RF-4E was intercepted by an unknown Greek fighter. During the maneuver, the Turkish plane crashed.
          On December 28, 1995, the Greek F-16C entered into an air battle with the Turkish F-4E. During the maneuver, a Turkish plane crashed into the sea.
          On October 8, 1996, a Greek Mirage 2000 shot down a Turkish F-16 Fighting Falcon fighter in an aerial battle over the Aegean Sea.

          November 5, 1997, Turkish F-4E crashed after an air battle with an unknown Greek fighter.
          On May 23 on 2006, the Greek F-16 and Turkish F-16, which carried out reconnaissance flight, collided. Both planes crashed.
          The Turkish-Greek conflict is the only one where the F-16 fighter suffered sustained losses in air battles, all three Turkish F-16s and three Greek F-16s (1 possible) were lost.
    4. Vikings
      Vikings 30 November 2015 13: 29 New
      +3
      And with the kid, remind Tsipras that Greece as a member of NATO,
      may put on the agenda the issue of Turkey. About her
      inadequacy, and that she provoked the world with her provocations
      to the brink of World War 3.
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    6. atalef
      atalef 30 November 2015 17: 07 New
      +2
      Quote: Black
      It would be better if the Greek Pvoshniki were nervous ...

      I like these Greeks.
      The Turkish Air Force is walking at home in the air.
      But here they need to insert their 3 pennies.
      Ellins b .... laughing
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      да пошёл ты "цытрус"...сам то не лучше! думаешь забыли твои финты ушами?

      Hey . Andrew.
      Greeks b ... laughing
  2. sever.56
    sever.56 30 November 2015 12: 18 New
    +6
    You will be nervous when the S-400 is watching each aircraft, and fighter aircraft are escorted by bombers. Suddenly, again, a scumbag-Recep will give the order to destroy the Russian aircraft, and you know that after that you are a hundred percent dead ...
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 30 November 2015 12: 24 New
      +2
      I think sooner or later, anyway, some kind of a drug addict on f16 will come across and then they will be reckoned with him.
    2. cniza
      cniza 30 November 2015 12: 41 New
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      You will be nervous when the S-400 is watching each aircraft, and fighter aircraft are escorted by bombers. Suddenly, again, a scumbag-Recep will give the order to destroy the Russian aircraft, and you know that after that you are a hundred percent dead ...



      And from the sea Moscow with the S-300, between two fires and under double sights.
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    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 30 November 2015 13: 15 New
      +2
      Quote: sever.56
      You will be nervous when the S-400 is watching each aircraft, and fighter aircraft are escorted by bombers. Suddenly, again, a scumbag-Recep will give the order to destroy the Russian aircraft, and you know that after that you are a hundred percent dead ...

      Erdogan reiterated that he would shoot down Russian planes ... It’s not very clear how, but today he squeezed it out. I won’t be surprised if a Turkish plane and possibly not one is stuck in the ground in the coming days.
      Turkish submarines loom near Moscow. As if there was no sabotage.
      They are considering the possibility of a tank breakthrough by the Turks with access to Latakia, with the subsequent seizure of Russian equipment. For peace of mind, I would have set up Tornado-S complexes, for such cases, to burn all this Turkish magal from a distance.
      1. Ze Kot
        Ze Kot 30 November 2015 13: 23 New
        0
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: sever.56
        You will be nervous when the S-400 is watching each aircraft, and fighter aircraft are escorted by bombers. Suddenly, again, a scumbag-Recep will give the order to destroy the Russian aircraft, and you know that after that you are a hundred percent dead ...

        Erdogan reiterated that he would shoot down Russian planes ... It’s not very clear how, but today he squeezed it out. I won’t be surprised if a Turkish plane and possibly not one is stuck in the ground in the coming days.
        Turkish submarines loom near Moscow. As if there was no sabotage.
        They are considering the possibility of a tank breakthrough by the Turks with access to Latakia, with the subsequent seizure of Russian equipment. For peace of mind, I would have set up Tornado-S complexes, for such cases, to burn all this Turkish magal from a distance.



        Well, that would be insanity
  3. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 30 November 2015 12: 19 New
    +2
    These goats need to drink sedatives otherwise the nerves will be brought to the grave correctly.
  4. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 November 2015 12: 21 New
    +9
    They are not nervous, they are spoiled! Understand only the S-400 ..
  5. Altona
    Altona 30 November 2015 12: 21 New
    +1
    Nervous ... Hmmm ... Yes, they’re just some kind of psycho ... They would have haloperidol before departure, or generally sedatives ... What do they smoke before departure that they are so sausage at the helm?

    PS Aviation named after Kashchenko ...
  6. Decathlon
    Decathlon 30 November 2015 12: 24 New
    +7
    "...1,3 тыс. раз нарушают воздушное пространство Греции..."
    That is, air defense in full ass, but the statistics are up to the mark ?! Well, well, consider further, proud Greeks ...
    1. afdjhbn67
      afdjhbn67 30 November 2015 12: 26 New
      +3
      Quote: Decathlon
      further, proud Greeks ...

      The Greeks are elementary afraid of the Turks .. not for nothing that they took half of Cyprus from them and no one helped ..
  7. driver
    driver 30 November 2015 12: 26 New
    +1
    Erdogan haloperidol in half with phenolphthalein.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 30 November 2015 12: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: chauffeur
      Erdogan haloperidol in half with phenolphthalein.

      and why dye? what
      1. afdjhbn67
        afdjhbn67 30 November 2015 12: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Andrey Yurievich
        and why dye?

        How laxative .. laughing
  8. Mr. Fun
    Mr. Fun 30 November 2015 12: 27 New
    0
    Well, they were arrogant and unpunished, now obsolete and nervous. Progress on the face.
    Big brother (S-400) is watching you, Turk ...
  9. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 30 November 2015 12: 34 New
    +1
    Quote: Decathlon
    "...1,3 тыс. раз нарушают воздушное пространство Греции..."
    That is, air defense in full ass, but the statistics are up to the mark ?! Well, well, consider further, proud Greeks ...

    I think they would love to fill up these Turkes, but they are in the same koa angry
  10. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 30 November 2015 12: 35 New
    +2
    At the same time, materials were published in the Greek media that over the year, Turkish Air Force planes, on average, about 1,3 thousand times violate Greek airspace

    Well, maybe not every time, well, sometimes they would at least shoot me down, scare them for the worst ... And then you will become a nervous stutter ...
  11. Yugan Oleg
    Yugan Oleg 30 November 2015 12: 37 New
    0
    Will two NATO members shoot down each other's planes? It flew a German plane into France and the French should shoot it down.
    It will be interesting to see.
  12. knn54
    knn54 30 November 2015 12: 40 New
    +1
    And:
    -just carried out the order,
    - may sympathize with ISIS,
    -сторнник идеи "новой османской империи",
    -бакшиш за "подвиг",
    -personal accounts with Russians, for example, the girl refused.
    And most importantly, they can’t even count to 10 ...
  13. From Samara
    From Samara 30 November 2015 12: 43 New
    0
    Yes, they are all there in Pontus ...
  14. mvg
    mvg 30 November 2015 12: 49 New
    +2
    Да уж, похоже большинство "маршалофф" думает, что ВКС России в Сирии, и ПВО - это панацея от всех Эрдогадов.. При возникновении реального конфликта, Турция за неделю снесет Латакию, и "Москва" со всеми 10-15 вымпелами будет на дне за часы.. Даже не привлекая НАТО. Это реальность. И помочь мы ничем не сможем, не применяя ТЯО. Нечем просто.
    Нечем закидывать, шапки не того "калибра" .. И союзников нет.
    1. From Samara
      From Samara 30 November 2015 13: 08 New
      -2
      She will not carry anything! Turkey doesn’t have to do a mighty one at Ponte. Actually, its Army is armed with one old Junk, moreover, it is Junk from different countries. Turkey is also almost without air defense ...
      And from Armenia, it can be hit ...

      It was funny to watch when Turkey bought this rubbish of the former GDR ... What’s the thing that made a monster out of it? They can’t even fight, they have the Mentality of the Alarmists!
      1. Ramzaj99
        Ramzaj99 30 November 2015 17: 04 New
        0
        Quote: From Samara
        She will not carry anything! Turkey is not worth the mighty to do here.

        Actually, the Turkish army is considered the second in NATO.
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    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 13: 09 New
      +1
      Ты и правда считаешь, что турки смогут незаметно подтянуть такие силы, что и "Москву" утопить, и Базу взять - и все это за неделю? А мы, значит, будем смотреть на все это дело, и подставлять щеки и другие части тела? Турция в аккурат стараниями Эрдогана армию свою почти располовинила. Подготовленного резерва у армии Турции - нет. И, ко всему прочему, "Калибры" с Каспия накрывают ВСЮ Турцию, а спутники и разведка видят достаточно. Ну и тактическое ядерное никто не отменял. Добавится к беспилотной зоне еще и не жилая.
      And as for the allies - what about the Kurds? in Turkey, a quarter of the population. So they will become allies.
      1. Manager
        Manager 30 November 2015 14: 03 New
        0
        No, I agree that it’s so easy and for a week the Turks will not destroy our base, but nevertheless, this is their border territory and they have more trump cards. Moreover, without TNWs, we really do not have many advantages over Turkey.
    3. your1970
      your1970 30 November 2015 18: 21 New
      0
      Was the earthquake? It was!
      Will there be a tsunami (if it’s very impatient)?
      ЕСЛИ "Москва"со всеми 12-15 вымпелами погибнет - то в Турции туристов уже не будет НИКОГДА("Чего по радиоактивным развалинам шастать-то?"
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  16. From Samara
    From Samara 30 November 2015 13: 13 New
    0
    Turkey just needs to be hit.
  17. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 30 November 2015 13: 14 New
    0
    Quote: Yugan Oleg
    Will two NATO members shoot down each other's planes? It flew a German plane into France and the French should shoot it down.
    It will be interesting to see.

    This did not stop the two NATO members from biting in Cyprus.
  18. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 November 2015 13: 14 New
    0
    Quote: mvg

    Нечем закидывать, шапки не того "калибра" .. И союзников нет.

    Yes, it’s time for Russia to become an independent state, otherwise it has turned the country into a cash cow of the West and babble about some kind of liberalism.
    The history of gas supply to Europe makes me angry, and what for we provide it with gas. Let them buy LNG from the United States - imagine what the price of gas will be and how it will affect the cost of production. In Europe, there are no our friends, not even any equal partners. Europe is the milking machine of the Russian economy. There are no energy resources for Russia in Russia, there are no loans, most of the country is not gasified, energy resources are of such a price that it is not profitable to produce any product.
    See how the West reacted to the provocation of Turkey — all Erdogan was licked. But what about our fight against Daish? Once again, the sanctions were extended. As I understand it, of course it is necessary to express condolences to France about the terrorist attack, but also to understand that the West itself has not only done a lot in order to make these attacks possible, but also restrains Russia, which is fighting terrorism. Frankly speaking, the West is deeply indifferent to how many more terrorist attacks will take place in Europe and how many of their citizens will die. They could finish off Russia, and there it’s not a pity to substitute its own head for moderate thugs.
  19. chikenous59
    chikenous59 30 November 2015 13: 24 New
    0
    Quote: mvg
    without applying nuclear weapons. Nothing easy.

    Are they sure that we will not apply it?
    Politicians are not fools, they do not pay attention to TV pictures and even think something before they do something, especially the Turks. Though proud, they are cowardly and not immortal.
  20. alstr
    alstr 30 November 2015 13: 29 New
    0
    Turkish Air Force 250 aircraft at 34 airfields (including civilian).
    Turkish Navy all 38 ships of which 14 are submarines. The remaining ships are all transferred to the United States and France built 60-80 years.

    There are no missiles as such.

    Therefore, approximately 200 missiles solve the problem of the Turkish fleet and aviation. In principle, only 34 missiles at aerodromes will be enough for a start (this is a volley of the Caspian flotilla).
  21. chikenous59
    chikenous59 30 November 2015 13: 32 New
    -1
    Quote: From Samara
    She will not carry anything! Turkey doesn’t have to do a mighty one at Ponte. Actually, its Army is armed with one old Junk, moreover, it is Junk from different countries. Turkey is also almost without air defense ...
    And from Armenia, it can be hit ...

    It was funny to watch when Turkey bought this rubbish of the former GDR ... What’s the thing that made a monster out of it? They can’t even fight, they have the Mentality of the Alarmists!

    Check the mentality do you want them? Or more like scratching your tongue? Couch Junior Sergeant. Do not be like Zhirinovsky)
  22. cap
    cap 30 November 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
    DIVAN SOLDIER (2) RU Today, 12:24 ↑ New

    I think sooner or later, anyway, some kind of a drug addict on f16 will come across and then they will be reckoned with him.

    When it will be necessary to open the gateways, they will find a cigarette with filling. Smoke before the flight.
  23. cap
    cap 30 November 2015 13: 47 New
    0
    According to the Turkish General Staff, the Dolunay and Burakreis submarines are currently patrolling in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. Submarine "Dolunay" went on patrol in the region on November 11, "Burakreis" - November 7.
    More details: http://www.vpk-news.ru/news/28263.
    Ears pinned up.
  24. mvg
    mvg 30 November 2015 14: 24 New
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Ты и правда считаешь, что турки смогут незаметно подтянуть такие силы, что и "Москву" утопить, и Базу взять - и все это за неделю? А мы, значит, будем смотреть на все это дело, и подставлять щеки и другие части тела? Турция в аккурат стараниями Эрдогана армию свою почти располовинила. Подготовленного резерва у армии Турции - нет. И, ко всему прочему, "Калибры" с Каспия накрывают ВСЮ Турцию, а спутники и разведка видят достаточно. Ну и тактическое ядерное никто не отменял. Добавится к беспилотной зоне еще и не жилая.
    And as for the allies - what about the Kurds? in Turkey, a quarter of the population. So they will become allies.


    Не так давно рассматривался вариант боевых действий против "Москвы.." В итоге сошлись на 2-ух часах. У Москвы (1164, да и у Атланта 1144) если объективно, есть проблемы в ПВО. По конструктивной особенности (на топваре было выложено), с 3-ех направлений, он не сможет защититься от 10-ка самолетов с "Гарпунам'и". А остальные вымпелы - там нет сильной ПВО. Сторожевики, БПК и УДК не обладают способностью бороться с самолетами.
    On ground operation. Nothing to pull up. Everything has long been pulled up (plus another 20 tanks recently). They immediately, after the aggravation of the conflict, pulled here both the armored vehicles and the Air Defense Patriot (the Germans and the Dutch borrowed the missing). Conducted ground operations against the Kurds, then to release the shrines ..
    Against tanks, the S-400 is powerless.
    Kurds, like allies .. Do not make me laugh. Against the regular army? They won’t even notice. Plus daish help.
    And when using nuclear weapons, NATO will intervene. China will keep silent, condemn and keep silent.
  25. mvg
    mvg 30 November 2015 14: 34 New
    -1
    From Samara SU Today, 13:08 ↑ New

    She will not carry anything! Turkey doesn’t have to do a mighty one at Ponte. Actually, its Army is armed with one old Junk, moreover, it is Junk from different countries. Turkey is also almost without air defense ...
    And from Armenia, it can be hit ...

    It was funny to watch when Turkey bought this rubbish of the former GDR ... What’s the thing that made a monster out of it? They can’t even fight, they have the Mentality of the Alarmists!

    Turkey has a modern army. And ground forces and the Navy, and the Air Force and Air Defense. F-16 went through modernization in Israel. And Jews prefer to put avionics even on their F-15Is not in the USA, but in their own (partially). Tanks are also upgraded by Jews. Frigates are not a couple of the BSF. There is a mixture of both new and modernized old. There is a good submarine fleet. Air defense borrowed (wrote above).
    According to TNW, Turkey has the largest NATO base for TNW stocks (60 units).
    Armenia itself could not resist, Azerbaijan is not asleep. Not so long ago, an option emerged when the Russian base in Armenia would be without supplies.
    This is not a panic, just a discussion on the topic: What can be done. There are options to humiliate Turkey - offer. At one time, even the Anglo-Saxons didn’t succeed .. The Ottomans gave them pussies and neighing loudly .. And now the Suvorovs and Ushakovs are gone.
  26. mvg
    mvg 30 November 2015 14: 46 New
    -2

    alstr RU Today, 13:29

    Turkish Air Force 250 aircraft at 34 airfields (including civilian).
    Turkish Navy all 38 ships of which 14 are submarines. The remaining ships are all transferred to the United States and France built 60-80 years.

    There are no missiles as such.

    Therefore, approximately 200 missiles solve the problem of the Turkish fleet and aviation. In principle, only 34 missiles at aerodromes will be enough for a start (this is a volley of the Caspian flotilla).

    You are like Nikita Sergeevich. Missiles decide everything ... belay
    34 "калибра" собьют. И аэродромы и военно-морские базы с сильной ПВО.
    As if softer then ... Neither the calibers, nor the x-101, x-555 will solve anything. This is not 5-6 thousand axes. According to a pre-worked out plan.
    The ground forces will decide ... It’s just in Latakia and Tartus that you can work out tactical missiles. Or MLRS. Or special forces, + ISIS, + ground .. And our cover battalion, 4-5 tanks and ground personnel .. not the force that will stop this.
  27. shimus
    shimus 30 November 2015 16: 41 New
    0
    Nerves and in their heads 99 out of 100.
  28. Mama_Cholli
    Mama_Cholli 30 November 2015 17: 34 New
    +1
    "В Твиттере Давутоглу написал, что Ципрас не даёт «сосредоточиться на повестке дня», а его слова о турецких нервных пилотах «не соответствуют реалиям»"...То-же нервничает Давутоглу, раз не может сосредоточиться...У всех веки дергаются....
  29. pvv113
    pvv113 30 November 2015 18: 44 New
    +1
    On Twitter, Davutoglu wrote that Tsipras does not allow “to focus on the agenda”

    This Turks is very nervous
    words about Turkish nervous pilots “do not correspond to reality”

    Turkish pilots cannot be called nervous - they are very nervous
  30. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 30 November 2015 20: 23 New
    0
    Я поражаюсь некоторым политикам, они не смотрят дальше пары месяцев вперед, ведь любые сказанные слова в большой политике могут припомнить впоследствии, как говорят овские Полицейские: "Всё что вы скажете, может быть использовано против вас"!