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Independent: IG must be fought like Russia, not inventing any "moderate"

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The words of Cameron, the Prime Minister of Britain, about finding about 70 in Thousands of moderate opposition fighters in Syria, caused a wave of criticism in the media. In particular, The Independent suggested that the prime minister "nafotoshopil himself" of these soldiers.




“If this“ phantom army ”existed, it would have already captured Damascus and overthrew Bashar al-Assad. The Syrian army, which had lost 60 thousands of soldiers from the hands of the Islamic State and Al-Nusra Front (cell of Al-Qaeda), would not be easy to beat off such an enemy, ”the newspaper quotes. RIA News.

The author of the article doubts that in Syria there will be at least 700 "moderate", not to mention 70-thousand. “Besides, what kind of“ moderate ”are they if they are armed with Kalashnikov assault rifles,” he asks.

Meanwhile, surrounded by Cameron, the “moderates” were already dubbed “ground troops”.

"The regular army in this territory is not just the" moderate "rebels, but the Syrian soldiers who, thanks to President Putin, and not the UK at all, began to recapture the territory," the newspaper writes.

According to the author, Putin knows that Ankara is helping the militants in Syria, "that is why he intends to destroy the" oil corridor "from Syria to Turkey."

On Thursday, speaking in favor of the operation in Syria, the British Prime Minister mentioned moderate opposition. According to him, "70 thousands of" moderate "fighters who do not belong to extremist groups," expect the help of the Western coalition.
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  1. Limon1972
    Limon1972 30 November 2015 10: 54 New
    56
    Крошить всех в капусту, аллах разберется кто был "умеренный" am
    1. DIVAN SOLDIER
      DIVAN SOLDIER 30 November 2015 10: 58 New
      46
      And what are they moderate ??? Bosko with anesthesia cut off or something ??
      1. Bombardier
        Bombardier 30 November 2015 11: 00 New
        +9
        Leading American news publication FOX News Shepard Smith announced Turkey’s decision to close the Bosphorus and Dardanelles straits for military and civilian military cargo ships in Russia, including those not related to deliveries to Syria.


        Istanbul, November 30th. Turkey began the blockade of Russian naval vessels, blocking their transit through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus, between the Black and Mediterranean Sea. According to the automatic identification system, now only Turkish vessels move along the Bosphorus, and there is no traffic through the Dardanelles. Http://riafan.ru/485934-turciya-nachala-blokirovat-rossijskie-voennye-suda


        At the same time, both in the Black Sea and in the Mediterranean Sea, there are several ships under Russian flags, which, apparently, are waiting for the opportunity to continue moving. In addition, Russian vessels from Novorossiysk and Sevastopol stopped moving in the direction of the Bosphorus. This indirectly confirms the CNN statement that Turkey probably blocked the movement of Russian ships through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus.
        1. Throw
          Throw 30 November 2015 11: 06 New
          24
          Apparently the straits will still have to be expanded ...
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 30 November 2015 11: 38 New
            17
            Quote: Lance
            Apparently the straits will still have to be expanded ...


            Мдя. Недоработка. Схалтурили древние "у.к.р.ы". bully
          2. Valentine
            Valentine 30 November 2015 15: 45 New
            +2
            But why expand them, new ones need to be done, a lot of warheads will not be required, and this is what’s the matter. And the whole world needs to be warned about this, they don’t want it to be good, it will turn out like that, and no Europe and the USA will blather, until they completely sat on the neck.
          3. pvv113
            pvv113 30 November 2015 18: 26 New
            +2
            Андрей Андреевич Громыко уже однажды предупреждал наших "друзей" на счет проливов.
            Curiously, in the late 70s, Turkey stated that it was considering closing the passage through the Bosphorus to the Mediterranean for warships of the Soviet Union.
            To this statement, comrade Gromyko Andrei Andreevich (USSR Foreign Minister from 1957 to 1985) told American journalists at a cocktail party at the White House that a passage to the Mediterranean Black Sea Fleet of the USSR would require only a couple of volleys of missiles. As a result of this, in addition to the Bosphorus, two more passages will appear in the Mediterranean, but, alas, there will be no Istanbul. After these words, Turkey never again raised the issue of closing the Bosphorus to the warships of the USSR. Maybe the time has come for Russia to remind Ankara about this again?

            http://historicaldis.ru/blog/43660781327/Kak-Gromyiko-Bosfor-zaschitil?tmd=1
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 30 November 2015 11: 13 New
          15
          Quote: Bombardier
          Istanbul, November 30th. Turkey began the blockade of Russian naval vessels, blocking their transit through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus

          Well, if this is true, and not stuffing from Fox News, then it has already crossed all permissible and unacceptable boundaries. There is an international treaty (Montreux) which prohibits Turkey from blocking the straits for the countries of the Black Sea basin. But this means that we have every right to go there FORCE! I’m sure NATO won’t even pick it up. But the Turks will fly out of this organization like a cork from a bottle in case of armed conflict! am
          1. cniza
            cniza 30 November 2015 11: 20 New
            +7
            Quote: GSH-18
            Quote: Bombardier
            Istanbul, November 30th. Turkey began the blockade of Russian naval vessels, blocking their transit through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus

            Well if it's true



            It seems to me that this is a throw in the test and reactions, otherwise it is actually a declaration of war.
            1. sssla
              sssla 30 November 2015 11: 24 New
              +2
              Everything can be
            2. alex74nur
              alex74nur 30 November 2015 11: 39 New
              +3
              I agree with you, you cannot believe Fox News, you need to wait for confirmation from other sources.
            3. meriem1
              meriem1 30 November 2015 11: 41 New
              +2
              Quote: cniza
              Quote: GSH-18
              Quote: Bombardier
              Istanbul, November 30th. Turkey began the blockade of Russian naval vessels, blocking their transit through the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus

              Well if it's true



              It seems to me that this is a throw in the test and reactions, otherwise it is actually a declaration of war.


              So check. He was completely fucked up. There is a Baltic and Northern ph!
            4. Lelek
              Lelek 30 November 2015 11: 46 New
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              It seems to me that this is a throw in the test and reactions, otherwise it is actually a declaration of war.


              Пресловутый "казус белли" - чревато очень серьёзными последствиями. Посмотрим,как отреагирует на это "голова" - НАТО, ведь это его член создал прецедент.
            5. Alexey Lesogor
              Alexey Lesogor 30 November 2015 14: 53 New
              +2
              Quote: cniza
              It seems to me that this is a throw in the test and reactions, otherwise it is actually a declaration of war.


              Once, the closure of the straits, already became the occasion for the start of the Russian-Turkish war.
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            7. PSih2097
              PSih2097 30 November 2015 16: 26 New
              0
              Quote: cniza
              It seems to me that this is a throw in the test and reactions, otherwise it is actually a declaration of war.

              not actually, namely the declaration of war ...
            8. olegkrava
              olegkrava 30 November 2015 17: 26 New
              +1
              Dyrdaneli and Bosphorus can be closed to the country if you declare war on it. But the Turks are not completely fools, or I'm wrong.
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          4. skaramaks27
            skaramaks27 30 November 2015 11: 51 New
            +1
            очевидно это вброс очередной "BREHEN [email protected]
          5. gladcu2
            gladcu2 30 November 2015 19: 12 New
            0
            GSh-18

            You have a weak point in your reasoning.


            "Уверен НАТО даже не пикнет."

            If a war is to begin, it will begin.
            What is there? Has Latvia already bought new equipment? Well, purely to control the Kaliningrad region.

            Russia has increased its military presence in Syria. Well, it’s pure, in order to break past ISIS, and also to control the oil supply to Europe, in which case (see map).

            Something the fifth point with his feelings began to get. But I would not want adventures. It is hoped that such shuffles will be favorable for the implementation of international treaties.
        3. Aroma77
          Aroma77 30 November 2015 11: 18 New
          +4
          It’s time for us to shut off the gas valve.
        4. viktor561
          viktor561 30 November 2015 11: 36 New
          11
          Yes fake - by AIS - Map of the movement of ships in real time our ships pass there !!!
          1. Vladimir 1964
            Vladimir 1964 30 November 2015 19: 37 New
            0
            Quote: viktor561
            Yes fake - by AIS - Map of the movement of ships in real time our ships pass there !!!

            Thank you, Victor, for the information, otherwise the sofa has already started to be collected for moving to the bomb shelter. laughing hi
        5. 34 region
          34 region 30 November 2015 11: 42 New
          +1
          The Caspian is enough for us. We will send goods from there. laughing Iran is open to fly.
          1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
            Uncle VasyaSayapin 30 November 2015 12: 26 New
            +2
            Iran does not border Syria.
        6. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 11: 46 New
          +3
          Это издание - типичная "желтая пресса". Иначе, придётся расширять проливы, Босфор, очевидно, за счёт Стамбула.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 November 2015 16: 27 New
            +1
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            obviously at the expense of Istanbul.

            what is Istanbul - Constantinople.
          2. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 November 2015 16: 27 New
            0
            Quote: Mountain Shooter
            obviously at the expense of Istanbul.

            what is Istanbul - Constantinople.
        7. Tujh
          Tujh 30 November 2015 13: 16 New
          +2
          Все это туфта и мечты "полутологов и аналитегов" из-за "большой лужи". Если Турция решится на это, то это будет означать объявление войны. НАТО в этом случае не дернется, поскольку это будет акт агрессии не в сторону "члена" НАТО, следовательно статья о взаимопомощи здесь не канает. И далее при перекрытии Босфора Россия имеет право, как государство в чью сторону направлена агрессия перекрыть ВСЕ турецкие порты для ВСЕХ судов, поступающих извне и объявить бесполетную зону над Турцией.
        8. Vikings
          Vikings 30 November 2015 13: 17 New
          0
          First of all, you need to wait for the official reaction of our
          Mida. And then act. It seems to me that the Americans are again
          give wishful thinking. Erdogan certainly not-
          a vile politician, but he wouldn’t be at that moment
          ZT under the hot hand of RUSSIA!
      2. win
        win 30 November 2015 11: 56 New
        12
        And what are they moderate ???


        Moderate sun, moderate sky
        In the temperate desert, moderate jihad.
        Moderate Russians with moderate bombs
        Moderate rebels surely bombed.
      3. Valentine
        Valentine 30 November 2015 15: 33 New
        +1
        "Бошки" ИГИЛовцы пленным и заложникам отрезают,а "умеренные"-отрубают.Вот и вся разница между ними.Шутка,конечно,плохая,но дикари есть дикари,да еще и отмороженные.Зверьми их назвать-зверей обидеть.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 30 November 2015 10: 59 New
      12
      Quote: cniza
      Why is it coming so slowly.

      It still hasn’t reached them.
      какие же они "умеренные", если вооружены автоматами Калашникова»,

      This Washington indoor poodle still believes that
      70 тысяч "умеренных" бойцов, не принадлежащих к экстремистским группировкам», ожидают помощи западной коалиции.
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 30 November 2015 11: 38 New
        +1
        70 тысяч "умеренных" бойцов, не принадлежащих к экстремистским группировкам», ожидают помощи западной коалиции.,,
        Yes, he doesn’t believe anything, they said from the regional committee to consider it moderate, he considers.
    3. sannych
      sannych 30 November 2015 10: 59 New
      +7
      У умеренных есть соответствующие удостоверения, в них так и написано, "податель сего является умеренно умеренным оппозиционером, ждущим западной помощи" и подпись (Обама, или его зам Кэмерон).
      1. KUOLEMA
        KUOLEMA 30 November 2015 11: 02 New
        +3
        rather, it is written that he is a moderately passive assimilative to European values, an assigned positioner with a rainbow buttonhole on a turban wassat
        1. Vend
          Vend 30 November 2015 11: 10 New
          +2
          So the British joined in the rescue of ISIS terrorists.
      2. 34 region
        34 region 30 November 2015 11: 45 New
        +2
        Moderate are those who sit on Western grants. And immoderate ones that are self-supporting. It seems so. Moderate tame, and immoderate wild. laughing
    4. Nick
      Nick 30 November 2015 11: 18 New
      +3
      Quote: Limon1972
      Крошить всех в капусту, аллах разберется кто был "умеренный" am

      Quote: DIVAN SOLDIER
      And what are they moderate ??? Bosko with anesthesia cut off or something ??

      Moderate, you can call the opposition, acting within the legal framework, or at least non-violent methods. People trying to seize power through armed violence, and besides, to a large extent foreigners, cannot be called the opposition - they are saboteurs, occupiers, bandits, anyone, but not the opposition, all the more moderate.
    5. RUS96
      RUS96 30 November 2015 11: 22 New
      +2
      Russian military in Syria will receive the status of war veterans
    6. vodolaz
      vodolaz 30 November 2015 11: 25 New
      +7
      Эти "умеренные" расстреливали нашего пилота. Если Кэмерона назвать умеренным контрацептивом, он не перестанет быть гoндoнoм.
    7. Oleneboy_
      Oleneboy_ 30 November 2015 11: 45 New
      +2
      oddly enough we wiped ourselves off .. after the plane .. bitterly look ..
      1. DIVAN SOLDIER
        DIVAN SOLDIER 30 November 2015 12: 00 New
        0
        Smack, if we allow all trash to fly over Syria.
      2. EvgNik
        EvgNik 30 November 2015 12: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Oleneboy_
        oddly enough we wiped ourselves off .. after the plane .. bitterly look ..

        Where are you in a hurry? Or do you want to participate in the third world? Still to come: both punishment and remorse (Turkey).
    8. Skif83
      Skif83 30 November 2015 13: 30 New
      0
      It is right!
      What
      "умеренные" повстанцы
      ? Hz?
      Умеренные, это которые недобитые, значит нужно их "умерить" до нуля, в этом и есть решение одной из проблем.
    9. mamont5
      mamont5 30 November 2015 15: 02 New
      0
      Ударим по "умеренным" "умеренными" бомбами и ракетами.
  2. cniza
    cniza 30 November 2015 10: 54 New
    +4
    "The regular army in this territory is not just the" moderate "rebels, but the Syrian soldiers who, thanks to President Putin, and not the UK at all, began to recapture the territory," the newspaper writes.

    According to the author, Putin knows that Ankara is helping the militants in Syria, "that is why he intends to destroy the" oil corridor "from Syria to Turkey."



    Why is it coming so slowly.
    1. kil 31
      kil 31 30 November 2015 10: 59 New
      0
      Something in the woods died. The newspaper will soon have too inflated states. It will be necessary to reduce.
  3. Jozhkin Cat
    Jozhkin Cat 30 November 2015 10: 56 New
    +4
    Russia has already decided for itself the issue of the moderate. Allah will sort.
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 30 November 2015 11: 27 New
      -1
      Путин знал чей бизнес (нефтезаводы,транспорт)мы бомбим(заявление на G-20),просто он не ожидал,что Эрдоган осмелится отпустить ему такого "леща".На работу аналитиков не похоже-сильно эмоции кипели,во время интервью с королём Иордании-а значит не ожидал,или ослепление "звёздной болезнью",в любом случае результат только на руку.Командир экипажа и морпех погибли...Вечная память.Героя присвоили,за мужество дали,семьи не оставят,всё закрыли,могли-бы предвидеть и предупредить,но какой результат этой ценой-небо полностью под прицелом,летаем только мы,Асад на месте,в Сирии ИГ делать нечего уже-базу в Ливии создали.Как-то так мы боремся с ИГ.
  4. serg1970
    serg1970 30 November 2015 10: 56 New
    10
    I did not expect this from the Independent, the awl slowly climbs out of the bag
    1. Altona
      Altona 30 November 2015 11: 01 New
      +3
      Quote: serg1970
      I did not expect this from the Independent, the awl slowly climbs out of the bag

      ------------------------
      Why? Independent writes well, this is not the first time that the government pokes cat shit on the floor ...
      1. sannych
        sannych 30 November 2015 11: 04 New
        +3
        Просто непривычно такое читать в английском издании. Там же "свобода слова", пишут обычно только гадости и ересь.
      2. serg1970
        serg1970 30 November 2015 11: 23 New
        0
        Why? Independent writes well, this is not the first time that the government pokes cat shit on the floor ...

        Well, she belongs to Lebedev, along with Novaya Gazeta. That does not fit.
  5. Patriot 1
    Patriot 1 30 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +5
    WET ALL and moderate and not moderate! In the next world they’ll sort.
  6. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 30 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +5
    Well, if there is such an opinion as Indeperdent.
    It would be necessary to put into the English parliament a moderate opposition with machine guns.
    It would be interesting to see there on the benches bearded men in trousers with Kalash.
    But these brigans can play out! )))
  7. Meckajiuhe
    Meckajiuhe 30 November 2015 10: 57 New
    +1
    Crush into the cabbage moderate, and radical. Moderate moderate bombs, radical - radical. Separate voices from the west are cut through tons of false information.
  8. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +1
    What to take from this Cameron? If he agrees with his every word with Washington. Therefore, they all say the same thing as asses. You can say that we will listen to what Obama will say and you can not listen! Some clowns are everywhere.
  9. asar
    asar 30 November 2015 10: 58 New
    +4
    For the Russian Aerospace Forces there is no division - moderate, immoderate!
    The enemy - he is the enemy!

    And further -
    MOSCOW, November 30. / TASS /. Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the Government of the Russian Federation to consider the possibility of introducing amendments to the legislation of the Russian Federation providing for the giving of the status of a war veteran to citizens of the Russian Federation sent to the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic in connection with the conduct of hostilities. This was reported on the official website of the Kremlin.

    The Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Medvedev has been named responsible for the execution of the President’s order.

    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 30 November 2015 11: 03 New
      +2
      And while the West is engaged in boltology, our aircraft, together with the Syrian army, are destroying whoever is needed. So let them chat further.
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    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 November 2015 11: 03 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimir71
      visited only by divers)

      God forbid that not cavers in gas stations!
  11. PQ-18
    PQ-18 30 November 2015 10: 59 New
    +7
    "Умеренная" оппозиция заседает в ПАРЛАМЕНТЕ !
    ВСЕ,кто взял в руки оружие - "неумеренные"
    1. iliya87
      iliya87 30 November 2015 11: 15 New
      +1
      I agree. Either you lay down your arms and live quietly in the liberated territory (it is possible to form a number of representatives to represent such an opposition in the Syrian government) or you are fighting by coordinating your actions with the army of Russia and Syria and have a military contingent but also in the coalition and also representatives for diplomacy. Or bury in the ground to the ears.
  12. Gani
    Gani 30 November 2015 11: 01 New
    +4
    надоели уже(((. Ввели бы четкий критерий "умеренности" в конце концов уже, что бы измерить ее можно было. А то блин, за последнее время столько слов , терминов, значений и понятий извратили исказили смысл, что без бутылки сами разобраться не могут. Демократия, либерализм - яркий тому пример, вроде как хорошие слова , правильные (были) сейчас -просто ругательства какие-то... Тра..ют мозг всему человечеству
    1. Stanislas
      Stanislas 30 November 2015 12: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: Gani
      Ввели бы четкий критерий "умеренности"
      laughing Тогда "неумеренными" будут все, кто не воюет против Асада или Ирана (курды и др.). ДАИШ и остальные "чисто за демократию". Манипуляторов всегда выдаёт высокая эмоциональность и отсутствие чётких критериев.
  13. Gray 43
    Gray 43 30 November 2015 11: 03 New
    +3
    The fight against terror is not in the spirit of the West, which precisely with the hands of terrorists overthrows inconvenient rulers, not only in the Middle East, but also in / in Ukraine.
  14. Gomel
    Gomel 30 November 2015 11: 03 New
    +2
    he beguiled thousands and hundreds ...
  15. Maksus
    Maksus 30 November 2015 11: 04 New
    +7
    But did Cameron swear before the whole people of Britain that he would not participate in the war against ISIS? Or now the train leaves and you have to jump into the last carriage?
  16. gla172
    gla172 30 November 2015 11: 10 New
    0
    Какие из ни "воины"? Они только толпой "герои",а так го*но.....и это жизнь,а не оскорбление....
  17. mag nit
    mag nit 30 November 2015 11: 10 New
    +1
    Underdeveloped ...
  18. Yunik
    Yunik 30 November 2015 11: 11 New
    +1
    Russia is doing everything right; officially, it has not been possible to officially put on combat duty with the - 400, but now it has cards in its hands.
  19. AlexTires
    AlexTires 30 November 2015 11: 12 New
    +1
    Европейцы уже сами потихоньку перестаю верить в придуманный Миф о могучей сирийской "умеренной" оппозиции... Но инерция - могучая Сила...
    1. Strezhevchanin
      Strezhevchanin 30 November 2015 11: 35 New
      0
      Quote: AlexTires
      . But inertia is a mighty Force.

      Dollar inertia is what needs to be stopped.
  20. olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 30 November 2015 11: 13 New
    +4
    The newspaper is right.
    In Syria there is no moderate opposition in the amount sufficient to oppose the government.
    There are militants of various kinds, belonging to different groups, trying by terror to either create their own state or transfer part of the country under the protectorate of other states, Turkey itself. At the same time, many of them are either interconnected or confront each other due to disagreement between the division of territory and business.
    Therefore, everything, supposedly the help of the opposition, is nothing but the replenishment of terrorist groups with weapons, finances in order to destroy the statehood of the country, i.e. The USA, Turkey and other countries are engaged in supporting terrorism.
    But here is what I want to draw attention to when the Russian Federation took part in the protection of the inhabitants of Donbass, sanctions were imposed against it, and for several years no one was able to prove the participation of the Russian Federation in the Boeing catastrophe, and the annexation of Crimea took place at the behest of the people. And now, when at least Turkey’s participation in the oil business of terrorists can be considered obvious, no one raises or raises the issue of sanctions against Turkey, although the country's guilt is obvious.
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 30 November 2015 11: 18 New
      0
      More than enough has already been said about double standards. And then there’s a member of NATO ...
  21. Batia
    Batia 30 November 2015 11: 16 New
    +1
    Кэмерон видимо не рассмотрел, что ФАБы для неумеренных покрашены в молотковый цвет, а для "умеренных" добавлены легкие умеренные цвета.
  22. Bourgeois
    Bourgeois 30 November 2015 11: 16 New
    0
    Игры в "помощь умеренным" кончится в итоге, террактами в самой Англии. Неужели правительство Великобритании хочет дождаться пока их реальный петух в задницу клюнет? У них на острове этих умеренных пруд пруди, только кто измерял их умеренность?
  23. 1536
    1536 30 November 2015 11: 17 New
    +1
    Все уже всем ясно! Только "вечные студенты", живущие в Европе на пособие, могут "верить" в сказки, мифы и легенды Кэмерона, Обамы, Олланда и Меркель.
    The British have nothing to do? Let the landing in Normandy be repeated before it's too late!
  24. scrap123
    scrap123 30 November 2015 11: 20 New
    0
    to show himself to Asod and whom to let and who is not in his airspace, and to do it publicly as is now customary.
  25. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 30 November 2015 11: 20 New
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    Неумеренный Кэмерон знает "всё" об умеренности-вот такая система отсчёта! fellow
  26. Taygerus
    Taygerus 30 November 2015 11: 22 New
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    «Если бы это "призрачное войско" существовало, оно бы уже захватило Дамаск и свергло Башара Асада. Сирийской армии, потерявшей от рук "Исламского государства" и "Фронта ан-Нусры" (ячейка "Аль-Каиды) 60 тысяч солдат, было бы нелегко отбить подобного противника»

    finally began to see clearly, although Cameronchik confirmed his diagnosis again, the verdict is incurable fool
  27. SCHNIFER
    SCHNIFER 30 November 2015 11: 24 New
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    Gentlemen oracles, administrators and journalists, do not shoot for panic, but tell me - is this the message about the blockade of the Bosporus and the Dardanelles for Russian merchant and military ships, is it true or fake?
    http://riafan.ru/485934-turciya-nachala-blokirovat-rossijskie-voennye-suda
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 30 November 2015 11: 34 New
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      SCHNIFER (1) SU  Today, 11: 24


      ,,, yes fake, most likely, the news appeared on Friday ,,,
      1. Turkir
        Turkir 30 November 2015 11: 44 New
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        No, not a fake. Under the guise of exercises, she blocked the straits for military courts for an indefinite period.
        1. bubalik
          bubalik 30 November 2015 11: 56 New
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          Turkir (1) SU  Today, 11: 44 ↑


          hi ,,, yeah, so it is so, yes there is something, but they are silent on serious resources and in the news about it request
          ,,, but this is not from the same series request
          On Sunday morning, President Putin ordered the 58 Army to immediately deploy the best EW forces and brigades, anti-aircraft systems, multiple launch rocket systems, anti-tank systems, motorized rifle and artillery troops near the Turkish-Armenian border, which in total includes about 7000 Russian military.
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  28. Darth Revan
    Darth Revan 30 November 2015 11: 46 New
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    Quote: sssla
    Everything can be


    Если не "утка" это, то это самый настоящий шаг объявления войны. Конвенцию Монтрё никто пока не отменял.
    1. SCHNIFER
      SCHNIFER 30 November 2015 11: 53 New
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      A new Defense Ministry report circulating in the Kremlin claims that President Putin ordered the 58 Army, headquartered in the North Caucasus Military District, this morning to deploy “selective” electronic warfare regiments and brigades, anti-aircraft systems, and multiple-launch rocket systems fire, anti-tank systems, motorized rifle and artillery troops near the Turkish-Armenian border, which in total includes about 7000 Russian military.

      Source: http://politikus.ru/articles/64319-rostislav-ischenko-esli-zavtra-voyna.html
      Politikus.ru
  29. win
    win 30 November 2015 11: 58 New
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    Bandits of all stripes - kaput.
    Could Russia turn around:
    And the refugees will go home
    And the elections will be made,
    And they will manage without Obama.
  30. Not served
    Not served 30 November 2015 11: 59 New
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    It’s not clear what. The West wants to maintain a presence in Syria. To do this, he needs an army, they don’t want to introduce his own, and they are trying to get his mercenary army out of the Islamic State out of attack.
  31. EvgNik
    EvgNik 30 November 2015 12: 04 New
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    I looked at the tuning fork, all the moderates are already in Europe, they are preparing attacks.
  32. maximon2005
    maximon2005 30 November 2015 12: 59 New
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    The Russians have a saying: Until the thunder strikes, the man will not cross himself. We have given it thundered, so we know that a terrorist is a terrorist in Africa and there are no moderate ones. WHERE THE TERRORISM DO NOT KISS THE SHAHID'S BELT EVERYWHERE. FRANCE CROSSED BACK .. DO NOT REALLY NEED TO WAIT FOR THUNDER ....
  33. Daursky
    Daursky 30 November 2015 12: 59 New
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    there is a desire to hear about the straits named after Ushakov and Nakhimov !!! But what if!!! Yes someday !!!
  34. afrikanez
    afrikanez 30 November 2015 17: 30 New
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    Ну что ж они несут то всякую ахинею. Самим то не страшно от глупости своих же слов? Где и самое главное когда они нашли в Сирии "умеренных". am
  35. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 30 November 2015 17: 47 New
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    On Thursday, speaking in favor of the operation in Syria, the British Prime Minister mentioned moderate opposition. According to him, "70 thousands of" moderate "fighters who do not belong to extremist groups," expect the help of the Western coalition.

    Эти "умеренные" ещё дадут прос.аться всей Европе, и Лондону в том числе.
  36. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 30 November 2015 20: 04 New
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    Independent: IG must be fought like Russia, not inventing any "moderate"

    А меня приятно удивил сам факт появления в подобном издании этой статьи. Думаю что то происходит в западном мире, в противном случае эта статья света бы не увидела. Бродит в мозгу и шальная мысль о значительном изменении отношения к нашей стране в западном обществе. Independent это всё-таки далеко не бульварный листок, а серьёзное политико-финансовое издание и в числе владельцев там известные "буржуины", которые понимают что делают.
    Somehow such an idea has developed, colleagues. hi