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Analytical program "However" with Mikhail Leontyev, 29 November 2015

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The role of Turkey in the economic support of ISIS, about which our President spoke at the official level for the first time, is well known to everyone. And in Turkey, and in America, and in Europe. And today, just visible to the naked eye from the cockpit of a Russian bomber. However, hello!

"When creating the IG, oil was exported from Iraq to Turkey through the Turkish-Azerbaijani company Palmali Shipping & agency JSC, which belonged to the Turkish billionaire Mubariz Gurbanoglu. In February, the UN Security Council passed a resolution to ban trade with the IG, and the Turkish government set up its own enterprise led by the son of Erdogan, BMZ Limited. It exports oil through pipelines as well as through freight transport. coziness in the EU. Another part of the oil, the smaller one, goes directly from Turkey to Ukraine, where Poroshenko accepts it without question, ”said French journalist and political scientist Thierry Meyssan.

"At the heart of this war, the economy also lies in the oil business of the main one, which Erdogan’s family occupied; there’s not only a son, a daughter, there are close relatives, brothers, svatya and others. And the last action, which actually began, caused him enormous financial damage. This is not Turkey itself, but specifically the Erdogan clan, "said veteran Foreign Intelligence Service Lev Korolkov.

Of course, the President of Turkey is a busy man and not aware of the details of his family’s business. He is also not aware of the colossal Turkish business of robbing Syrian artifacts and transporting them to antique shops in Europe. He is not aware of how the Turks dismantled thousands of enterprises in Syria and all of this was taken to Turkey? It makes no sense to analyze the Syrian issue, if not recognize the obvious.

That's when Syria was ordered: we know who ordered the murder of Syria, we know who financed, but Turkey was appointed the perpetrator and organizer of the murder. The so-called "refugee camps" appeared in Turkey before refugees appeared. AND weapon and the militants reached out to Syria through Turkey before the civil war broke out, which is why it began. The same Maysan has been writing and speaking about this for years.

“It’s on Turkish territory,” Thierry Maysan asserts, “NATO housed the operations management headquarters. During the first war from February 2011 until the Geneva conference in June 2012, NATO sent al-Qaida’s militants from Libya to form the Free Syrian armies ". In two years, more than 200000 mercenaries from all over the world passed through Turkey to Syria to commit jihad. Turkish intelligence agencies developed a powerful system of transferring arms and money to support the war, which was paid by Qatar and controlled by the CIA. Mr. Erdogh He set up three training camps for Al-Qaida in лыanlıurfa (on the Syrian border), in Osmania (near the NATO military base in Incirlik) and Karaman (near Istanbul) in Turkey. In May, the National Intelligence of Turkey shipped special transport to Turkey for ISIS, heavy weapons and new pickups Toyota, provided by Saudi Arabia. The “Islamic State”, which at that time was an organization of several hundred militants, in one month turned into a real army of some tens of thousands of people and captured Iraq. "

The wonderful emergence of the "Islamic Caliphate" in Iraq from nothing in a few days in June 2014 would have been impossible without Turkish support.
For some time, Turkey began to send its special forces to Syria, and several special forces were captured by the Syrian army. However, they managed to organize in September 2013 of the year an attack on the Christian city of Maalula, which is of no strategic interest, but is the oldest Christian center. In addition, in March 2014, Turkish troops entered Syria, accompanied by jihadists of the Al Nusra Front and the Army of Islam, to the Armenian city of Kassab in order to exterminate the inhabitants, whose ancestors avoided the Ottoman Turks.
The report of the Director of Peace Programs of the Institute for Human Rights at Columbia University, David Phillips, built entirely on reports of the largest Western and Turkish media, provides numerous evidence of Turkey’s links with ISIL. In particular, the approval of the prosecutor's office of the Turkish city of Adan on the supply of weapons by Turkey to terrorist groups under the guise of humanitarian aid under the guise of Turkish intelligence agents is cited.

There are audio recordings published by blogger Fuat Avni, on whom Erdogan insists on the participation of the Turkish army in the Syrian war and demands that the head of the Turkish intelligence Hakan Fidan provide an excuse to justify an attack on Syria. On the same notes, Fidan tells high-ranking Turkish officials, including Prime Minister Davutoglu: "If necessary, I will send four people to Syria. I will create an excuse to start a war by launching 8 missiles in Turkey. They are attacking the tomb of Sultan Suleiman."

There are numerous testimonies of Turkey’s participation in the ISIS oil trade, with references to the New York Times, Turkish TV channels and Claudia Roth, a member of the Green Party from the Bundestag. It is alleged that, for example, in Istanbul and Gaziantep, there are offices for ISIL to recruit. For example, Takva Haber, which recruits ISIS militants in Germany and Turkey, is registered at the address listed in the Ilim Yayma Vakfi Foundation, among whose founders are personally Erdogan and Prime Minister Dovutoglu.

Seymour Hersh claims in the London Review of the Books that Turkey was involved in the use of sarin in Syria. Hersh quotes the words of a former high-ranking American intelligence officer: "We knew that there are those in the Turkish government who believe that they can pin Assad to the wall by manipulating a sarin attack inside Syria."

When the Arab spring, provoked and passionately supported by the Americans, broke out, it was Erdogan who became their candidate for the leader of the Islamic world. But NATO Turkey was supposed to become a model model of the victorious Islamic democracy, the instrument of which was the Muslim Brotherhood dear to Erdogan’s heart.

This mission fell on the entrenched soil of Ottoman revanchism and became a fix idea for Erdogan. For this, Erdogan provoked a public rupture with Israel, his former main ally, took an active part in the pogrom of the Libyan Jamahiriya, which was its second largest economic partner, and in fact organized a war against Assad, with whom he had maintained the most friendly relations.

We perfectly knew all this, but we tolerated it for the sake of very large-scale and obvious mutual interests. And Erdogan tolerated until the time, carefully separating the flies from cutlets. There is reason to believe that patience has run out of our common American partners, who, forgive the tautology, can neither tolerate Erdogan nor Putin.

"In advance, in accordance with the agreements with the American side, we transmitted information on where our aviationat what echelons, in what place and at what time. We proceed from the fact that this is a functioning coalition. Turkey is a member of this coalition and should be aware that it is Russian aviation that works there, "said Vladimir Putin.

In fact of the matter. Whether the Turkish F-16 directly aimed at the target American "Avaksy", satellites and radar, we are not known for certain. One thing is clear - the Americans Erdogan was framed and merged as usual. That is why he bleats and flutters. Everything. The deed is done - the fragile Russian-Turkish alliance is broken.

Erdogan correctly calculated the reaction of the NATO commanders - they can not side with Putin against the country - the basis of the southern flank of the alliance. Here is the rest he calculated wrong. We have nowhere to hurry, and our hands are now untied. One should listen to Farid Zakaria, one of the ideologues of American politics in the Middle East.

“Putin does not take composure. I do not think that he goes too far with a response. I, however, also believe that he is a man who does not forget anything. I believe that in one way or another he will still take revenge” - considers Farid Zakaria.

Can not understand history with the plane, and not only with the plane - the whole Syrian game of Erdogan cannot be understood without taking into account the personality characteristics. Assad, who not only knew Erdogan well — they were friends of families, rested together — called Erdogan a man of extreme will, tough and infinitely stubborn. The final collapse of his Syrian adventure brought him out of himself, and the blow to the family pocket finally infuriated. And with a frantic alliance on the basis of mutual interests can not be built.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 30 November 2015 07: 59 New
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    Michael is characteristic of his irony, as always on top!
    1. vkl-47
      vkl-47 30 November 2015 08: 02 New
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      however hello ...
      1. Момент
        Момент 30 November 2015 08: 13 New
        +9
        It seems that Erdogan was set up in full, and the days of his reign are numbered. He succumbed to the provocation, and now he understood what was happening.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 08: 36 New
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          Quote: Moment
          It seems that Erdogan was set up in full, and the days of his reign are numbered. He succumbed to the provocation, and now he understood what was happening.

          I have the feeling that the US is losing their knack for organizing provocations.

          If you can only guess about the cruiser Maine, for whom and who drowned almost three hundred, how are they? - but! Afro-Americans in Pearl Harbor turned outwards by explosions from the inside of the ships can be understood to the extent of their corruption, then with the Gulf of Tonkin it is more or less clear how the three torpedo boats of North Vietnam almost drowned the American fleet. Everything seems to be going smoothly with Kennedy, with the exception of Oswald’s figure — he was leftist, he lived in the USSR, he seemed to be a KGB agent, but the trouble was Wilhelm Tell and they removed him from the game very messy. And then - whatever they do - more and more white threads from the seams stick out ... Apofigey apotheosis, of course, September 11 and soap opera with Bin Laden.

          And now - they came up with a provocation with our plane, hinted to Erdogan, they seemed to calm down. But, as McCain said about the right sector, "nothing can be entrusted to these beaters, even the simplest things." As a result, Erdogan himself burned, and burned the "advisers" ...

          Maybe the generation of provocateurs in America has changed, maybe the world has become smarter and the old methods of organizing provocations do not channel - I do not know. I only know that sincerely believe in American provocations now only their performers. And then until America throws them. There, Saakashvili and Poroshenko already know ...
        2. scrap123
          scrap123 30 November 2015 08: 48 New
          +2
          another Governor soon)))
          1. Mahmut
            Mahmut 30 November 2015 10: 47 New
            +2
            After such a setup, he will fulfill any order of the Pentagon. Not for the sake of profit, but for the sake of skin's sake. And this is alarming. There is evidence that there is a transfer of a huge number of Turkish armored vehicles to the Syrian border.
        3. drundel861
          drundel861 30 November 2015 10: 24 New
          0
          If Bashar al-Assad believes, then the president of Turkey, Erdogan, is a very stubborn and strong-willed man, then judging by the downed drying, then he was just a quick snake warmed on his chest
        4. WKS
          WKS 30 November 2015 10: 49 New
          0
          And with frenzied alliance on the basis of mutual interests can not be built.

          This is true. We must wait for a change of power in the Turkish Republic, and there is nothing to do with this, let alone negotiations.
    2. cniza
      cniza 30 November 2015 08: 04 New
      +4
      Quote: avvg
      Michael is characteristic of his irony, always on top!



      Of course, the President of Turkey is a busy man and not aware of the details of his family’s business. He is also not aware of the colossal Turkish business of robbing Syrian artifacts and transporting them to antique shops in Europe. He is not aware of how the Turks dismantled thousands of enterprises in Syria and all of this was taken to Turkey? It makes no sense to analyze the Syrian issue, if not recognize the obvious.



      How the West will turn now ... although they are not interested.
      1. Throw
        Throw 30 November 2015 08: 13 New
        +8
        It is interesting that in this city .. gadyushnik and Israel surfaced with the legalization of needle oil!

        Well, we are waiting here for the posts of Jewish "partners" on the topic "in fact, everything is not as it seems" ..
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 08: 40 New
          +9
          Quote: Lance
          Well, we are waiting here for Jewish "partners" posts on the topic "in fact, everything is not as it seems"..

          I like it when, in American films, a wife pulls her husband by the legs from his mistress in their own bed, and he traditionally runs after her, covering her dandies, and says the catch phrase: "This is not what you think.".

          And the "partners" will now express themselves in the spirit of "Have you personally pumped that oil with buckets?", "We have the best army in the world and its environs," and "how well on the promised land - thank God that you left, and you stayed there because all du ... crayfish. "

          Everyone has already heard ...
        2. Hello
          Hello 30 November 2015 08: 41 New
          +7
          Quote: Lance
          It is interesting that in this city .. gadyushnik and Israel surfaced with the legalization of needle oil!

          Well, we are waiting here for the posts of Jewish "partners" on the topic "in fact, everything is not as it seems" ..

          I still suspected that Leontyev knew everything and everyone, especially about the dirty deeds of Israel. It is strange that he was still silent. But I'm still interested in what economic feasibility is pushing Erdogan’s son to bring oil from Turkey to Israel and then to Europe? Or can’t documents be faked in Turkey? My Jewish soul does not understand such a stupid squandering of finances wink
          1. Styx
            Styx 30 November 2015 09: 25 New
            +2
            Listen to Satanovsky, he is sooo good at explaining the matter: sawflies everywhere, well, just heaps :)))
          2. Vikings
            Vikings 30 November 2015 09: 58 New
            +1
            In this case, not the soul should understand! And the human organ
            mental thinking. How about the skull, and keep
            what is inside?
          3. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 10: 03 New
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            Quote: Hello
            What economic feasibility is pushing Erdogan’s son to bring oil from Turkey to Israel and then to Europe? Or can’t documents be faked in Turkey? My Jewish soul does not understand such a stupid squandering of finances

            Documents in Turkey can be done. But it will be a false document and oil smuggled. In Israel, as in the second link, the document is almost real and the origin of oil can be guessed if you think about it. And you can not think. And the one who buys oil from Israel is a very conscientious buyer and his oil is clean, like a tear of a virgin.
            My Jewish soul does not understand such a stupid squandering of finances
            Your Jewish soul, dear Ilya, must know that rich is not greedy but smart. Even if he is not a Jew, but a Turk. With the price of oil at DAISH in 9, you can afford to buy American washing machine, isn't it? yes

            I was somehow surprised when I saw on one of the elevators on the Volga a conveyor built to load one single barge. How is it that, I say, it’s expensive, I say, loading a gold barge goes out ... And then people in the know told me that the barge on the Volga was loaded with linseed, at the price of 14 rubles per kilogram. And they drove either to Austria or Belgium, I don’t remember. It is important that the price of this flaxseed there is 38 euros for our same kilogram ... With such a margin, you can not drive the barge back - give it along with the cargo, but they will not take it - drop it there ...

            So here - Erdogan Jr. is simply not greedy on the little things. With such a profit, it seems that any Jewish soul will understand it. winked
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2015 10: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Documents in Turkey can be done. But it will be a false document and oil smuggled. In Israel, as in the second link, the document is almost real and the origin of oil can be guessed

              No need to guess the origin of the oil, depending on the chemical composition, the oil from each field is well defined

              Quote: Zoldat_A
              the document is practically real and the origin of oil can be guessed if you think about it. And you can not think. And the one who buys oil from Israel is a very conscientious buyer and his oil is clean, like a tear of a virgin.


              Israel suddenly sells oil laughing in an alternate universe, if only
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              I was somehow surprised when I saw on one of the elevators on the Volga a conveyor built to load one single barge. How is it that, I say, it’s expensive, I say, loading a gold barge goes out ... And then people in the know told me that the barge on the Volga was loaded with linseed, at the price of 14 rubles per kilogram. And they drove either to Austria or Belgium, I don’t remember. It is important that the price of this flaxseed there is 38 euros for our same kilogram ... With such a margin, you can not drive the barge back - give it along with the cargo, but they will not take it - drop it there ...

              Tales of some kind are not clear, but that flaxseed is forbidden to export goods? What is the problem of establishing normal trade relations and drive it for 38 euros, without any complications
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              So here - Erdogan Jr. is simply not greedy on the little things. With such a profit, it seems that any Jewish soul will understand it.


              How do you want to add Jews to everything, and the master is a Russian soldier, with a nickname in German?
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 12: 52 New
                +4
                Quote: atalef
                How do you want to add Jews to everything, and the master is a Russian soldier, with a nickname in German?

                I did not add Jews to this oil, but Ilya (Hello), and not at all in conspiracy terms. And my comment was not about Jews and Israel, but about the legalization of oil - live there as you want. You feel good - and thank God. Dear Alexander, one does not need to be likened to a little lapdog who, in any view, seeks doubt in her own greatness.

                It was not I who sold flaxseed, and my story was not about how it was legalized, but how it was legally sold with such a fat that any incidental expenses actually become “sideways”.

                And now the main thing. I have been repeatedly reproached for Zoldatso briefly where is it from. Once upon a time I registered on some resource, the nickname could only be in Latin, Soldier, Soldat and analogues were busy. I had to register Zoldat. And then, so as not to get confused, he began to register like this everywhere, although not much where he was registered ... That’s the whole unpatriotic conspiracy thesis .... By the way, in German the “soldier” is just not Zoldat .... hi
                1. Throw
                  Throw 30 November 2015 16: 03 New
                  +2
                  Oo, started, raked up the "partners".))

                  "Shoving himself hard at the door
                  Aunt Haya fell over "
                  wassat

                  The soldier, that you make excuses when they preach nicknames, this is a decad ..
                  And the discussions are all these muddy and long ones, which are fruitless, like ".. arguing with a lawyer is like pouring mud on a pig, after some time you realize that the pig likes it."
                  laughing
                  1. Zoldat_A
                    Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 23: 11 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Lance
                    And the discussions are all these muddy and long ones, which are fruitless, like ".. arguing with a lawyer is like pouring mud on a pig, after some time you realize that the pig likes it."

                    I try not to quarrel with our "potential colleagues" from Israel. But sometimes it doesn’t work. And always after discussions with them for some reason I remember the "Great Old Woman", F. Ranevskaya ...
                    Someone pushed Ranevskaya walking down the street, and even cursed me with dirty words. Faina Georgievna told him:
                    “For a number of reasons, I can’t answer you now with the words you use.” But I sincerely hope that when you return home, your mother will jump out of the gateway and bite you properly.
                    Talent !!!
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            3. Hello
              Hello 30 November 2015 10: 13 New
              +3
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Documents in Turkey can be done. But it will be a false document and oil smuggled. In Israel, as in the second link, the document is almost real and the origin of oil can be guessed if you think about it. And you can not think. And the one who buys oil from Israel is a very conscientious buyer and his oil is clean, like a tear of a virgin.

              Let’s say why it still needs to be transported to Israel, such ships sail on the paper seas of hook hooks that delivery to Israel is by no means compulsory. You can handle all paper business in Turkey and take it straight to Europe.
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Your Jewish soul, dear Ilya, must know that the rich are not greedy, but smart. Even if he is not a Jew, but a Turk. With the DAISH oil price of 9 American money, you can afford to buy a washing machine, isn't it?

              Yes, even if a dais pays them money, why lose money from scratch. I do not understand.
              1. Zoldat_A
                Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 12: 59 New
                +2
                Quote: Hello
                Let’s say why it still needs to be transported to Israel, such ships sail on the paper seas of hook hooks that delivery to Israel is by no means compulsory. You can handle all paper business in Turkey and take it straight to Europe.

                Well, of course, I didn’t accompany that oil, and neither Leontyev nor anyone else I consider to be the ultimate truth. And if not for the ridiculous purpose of exporting (and indeed - next to the paper seas of the Pacific Ocean - a miserable puddle!), But for yourself. After all, do they drive cars in Israel?

                In general, here, in VO, due to the fact that it is not the presidents of the countries or even the defense ministers who are gathering here, it gives a lot of things to the "sofa version." So mine, as one of them, in the development of Leontief's words, is no worse and no better than others ...
                1. Hello
                  Hello 30 November 2015 14: 15 New
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                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  After all, do they drive cars in Israel?

                  They use Azerbaijani fuel mainly.
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  In general, here, in VO, due to the fact that it is not the presidents of the countries or even the defense ministers who are gathering here, it gives a lot of things to the "sofa version." So mine, as one of them, in the development of Leontief's words, is no worse and no better than others ...

                  I don’t reproach you, I just don’t see the logic in this chain, but Leontiev, as a serious journalist, must argue his position.
                2. padded jacket
                  padded jacket 30 November 2015 14: 20 New
                  +2
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  After all, do they drive cars in Israel?

                  Cars in Israel drive mainly on fuel made from oil, which Daesh (formerly IG) terrorists produce from the wells they seized from Syria and Iraq and then delivered to Israel via Turkey.
          4. atalef
            atalef 30 November 2015 10: 19 New
            +2
            Quote: Hello
            It is strange that he was still silent. But I'm still interested in what economic feasibility is pushing Erdogan’s son to bring oil from Turkey to Israel and then to Europe?

            And especially how to carry it? Somehow we don’t have a land border with Turkey, but by sea?
            Someone even imagined the embodiment of this Leontief delirium?
            The tanker is loading, it goes to Israel, where is it unloaded, is it loading again and goes to Europe?
            With Israeli oil laughing
            by the way, M. Leontyev --- the prophet laughing
            But Turkey will release gas to Europe. That will greatly strengthen its position in negotiations with the same EU. Including the entry into the European Union. If she still wants to go there. And in this case, gas from Russia will come directly to the EU, for which, in fact, the “South Stream” was conceived.

            To turn a trap that was placed on you into a trap for the poacher himself - you see, high art. Ah, yes, along the way, relations with Turkey have also strengthened in earnest.
            1. Hello
              Hello 30 November 2015 12: 34 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              And especially how to carry it? Somehow we don’t have a land border with Turkey, but by sea?
              Someone even imagined the embodiment of this Leontief delirium?
              The tanker is loading, it goes to Israel, where is it unloaded, is it loading again and goes to Europe?
              With Israeli oil
              by the way, M. Leontyev --- the prophet

              This is apparently such a business in Turkish to buy oil from the broads and take to Israel, lose money from scratch.
            2. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 30 November 2015 19: 16 New
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              Quote: atalef
              , M. Leontyev --- Prophet

              Like all Jews! lol
        3. oracul
          oracul 30 November 2015 08: 52 New
          +6
          The sons of Israel had a penchant for usury and trade from time immemorial, wherever they were. And then the money flows into the hands themselves, who will refuse?
          1. Throw
            Throw 30 November 2015 09: 09 New
            +2
            Well, if they refuse, then only dull Jewish souls.
            And the intelligent ones, who have lodged in the only place in the Middle East without oil, are already being fussed and casting themselves for it.

            Ps. About the discovery of the great Israeli oil deposits do not need to write, read already)))
            1. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2015 10: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Lance
              Ps. About the discovery of the great Israeli oil deposits do not need to write, read already)))


              Where did you read the tiger?
            2. atalef
              atalef 30 November 2015 10: 20 New
              0
              Quote: Lance
              Ps. About the discovery of the great Israeli oil deposits do not need to write, read already)))


              Where did you read the tiger?
    3. Finches
      Finches 30 November 2015 08: 30 New
      +7
      However, why openly and through all channels, for the general public, we began to talk about this only when our plane was shot down? Before that, Erdogan was a white and fluffy partner in our media, although everything lies on the surface!

      That is the question I had. The question that goes in the newspapers under the heading is “Unanswered questions!” laughing

      I also liked very much that the Jews here are also rummaging around, despite the fundamental differences with the Islamists! laughing
      1. oracul
        oracul 30 November 2015 09: 03 New
        +2
        In politics, this happens - we are not the first, we are not the last. Enemies do not need to be created, but used whenever possible. But one should not lose sight of the fact that appearance is so deceiving. So Dovutogly looks so cute, smiling, harmless man, but in fact, it looks like the beast is still one. I won’t be surprised if it suddenly becomes clear that it is he who rules Turkey - we have to take responsibility for the order to bring down the SU-24. It seems like not the commander in chief?
      2. jura61
        jura61 30 November 2015 13: 56 New
        0
        Last year, when Bulgaria “closed” and our pipe suddenly turned its gaze towards Turkey, I personally asked myself the question of how we can look for profitable ways and how cooperation will advance, because in Syria we support different sides of the conflict. Just a year later, the answer materialized. It doesn’t matter who controls whom they are, or vice versa. Attempts to drag the cheat into the back will continue until we are in the “fairway”, or while there is a unipolar world as hands and "partners" are long.
  2. V.ic
    V.ic 30 November 2015 08: 02 New
    +1
    And with frenzied alliance on the basis of mutual interests can not be built.

    I will add that with the patrons of the frenzied, it is also not possible to build an alliance.
  3. Monos
    Monos 30 November 2015 08: 03 New
    +4
    Army and Navy! Everything! No other allies are needed!
  4. Monos
    Monos 30 November 2015 08: 05 New
    +5
    As someone recently said: "America’s ears stick out from Erdogan’s cheeks."
    1. sa-zz
      sa-zz 30 November 2015 08: 51 New
      +1
      Hehe. As Erdogan with the ears of a bush imagined, he almost slid under the table.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 30 November 2015 17: 00 New
        +1
        Quote: Monos
        As someone recently said: "America’s ears stick out from Erdogan’s cheeks."
        Quote: sa-zz
        Hehe. As presented Erdogan with Bush Ears, I almost rolled down under the table.

        Obama. laughing Black and protruding are five!
  5. Mihalich17
    Mihalich17 30 November 2015 08: 05 New
    0
    In addition to Erdogan, the Turkish Prime Minister causes more disgust!
    Sly face and cunning statements one by one!
    Mutit this person in full. He began to pay more attention to him and follow his "postulates"!
    Awesome foulbrood little man!
    1. ssergn
      ssergn 30 November 2015 10: 13 New
      0
      You correctly noticed. According to Satanovsky’s description, Davutoglu is one of the ideologists of the new Ottoman Empire (or whatever it is right to call it). And it is not a fact that he did not push Erdogan to such actions. And if he becomes president, then it is not a fact who is better, Erdogan or he. hi
  6. Same lech
    Same lech 30 November 2015 08: 07 New
    +5
    There is reason to believe that patience ended with our common American partners, who, sorry for the tautology, can not stand either Erdogan or Putin.


    The key phrase in my opinion ... now the next move is logical to push TURKEY and RUSSIA foreheads .....
    just as it was done at the time with FASCIST GERMANY and the USSR .... it is impossible ..never the same can not be fought on the provocation of these war-racers ... composure and cold mind to help us.
    1. amirbek
      amirbek 30 November 2015 11: 17 New
      +1
      Quote: The same Lech
      it’s impossible .. in no case can it be fought on the provocation of these war-racers ... composure and cold mind to help us

      and it was too!
  7. Wild_grey_wolf
    Wild_grey_wolf 30 November 2015 08: 14 New
    +4
    Q.E.D. Now, if they knew about it, why they did not cover the whole world. Vladimir Putin constantly tried to talk about the support of the Islamists, but did not give names to journalists. . . and as we see the correctness did not help. If a person is impudent, then there is no point in babysitting with him, just like Qatar and Saudi feel impunity and do what they WANT. . . because America is with them, oh, it's America.
    1. cniza
      cniza 30 November 2015 08: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Wild_Grey_Wolf
      As required.



      This problem did not require special evidence, there is a "world chess party" and the result or even the price is a war or a more or less relative world.
      1. amirbek
        amirbek 30 November 2015 11: 13 New
        0
        a quantum meat grinder began to appear on a physical level ... what else will change in the periodic table?
  8. Armored optimist
    Armored optimist 30 November 2015 08: 15 New
    0
    We look forward to today's summit. I think that Putin will speak very harshly.
    1. alvog
      alvog 30 November 2015 08: 48 New
      0
      In order to accelerate the restoration of our good relations with Turkey, Erdogan must resign; in any other case, events cannot be predicted.
  9. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 30 November 2015 08: 15 New
    +2
    "Putin doesn’t have composure. I don’t think he goes too far with the response. I, however, also believe that he is a person who does not forget anything. I believe that in one way or another he will still take revenge"

    F. Zakaria is right, even as right. I think that in this situation, Turkey should not rejoice in its "determination" and "steadfastness", as well as the United States, that the provocation was a success. Everything has its time.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 30 November 2015 09: 45 New
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      Quote: rotmistr60
      as well as the United States, that the provocation was a success.

      I just think that the provocation failed. If ours responded immediately, at least by bombing the airport from which the F-15 took off, then the states would clap their hands. And some impatient colleagues at VO insisted on this.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 30 November 2015 10: 19 New
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        Therefore, I wrote that you should not rejoice in Turkey ... and the United States ... Well, and some impatient, and I would add not thinking, they suggested it even better, up to a tactical nuclear strike.
  10. taseka
    taseka 30 November 2015 08: 18 New
    +3
    Erdogan is a goat !!!!
    1. as150505
      as150505 30 November 2015 08: 26 New
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      Add Urkogan - scum and !!!
  11. petr1965
    petr1965 30 November 2015 08: 21 New
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    Political is simple, ducks or money don't smell
  12. Papapg
    Papapg 30 November 2015 08: 29 New
    +2
    Everything is somehow strange, you buy food in a store and suddenly when you ate it, you find out - they were Turkish and very dangerous, poisoned me. If it weren’t for the case of the bomber, they would probably continue to be poisoned. Everything is somehow sewn with white thread, “campaign”, they will give the go-ahead - things have gone, there is no go-ahead - we are waiting. Syria alone will not cope, it is necessary to organize PMCs, and silently, without chatter. Worse than it will not be, and Europe? Europe until they let blood, they are happy with everything, they use gas, but frown. And I have a gas pipe coming out of the garden, but I have no gas! Some questions, but no answers. The enemy will be defeated, the victory will be ours!
    1. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 30 November 2015 08: 57 New
      +2
      Quote: Papapg
      Everything is somehow strange, you buy food in a store and suddenly when you ate it, you find out - they were Turkish and very dangerous, poisoned me!

      Regarding product quality. We have public services that should deal with the quality of the delivered products. This is done in such a way that a sample is taken periodically and analysis is done. But after sampling, the batch goes to the market and is sold. The results of the analysis appear later, and have no effect on the fate of the goods. The strategy of suppliers accumulates and remains in the archives of Rospotrebnadzor. From the desire to curry favor and show their need at a certain political moment, this information emerges.
      And most importantly: the population eats foods that contain chemicals, pesticides, etc. that are above the norm. It is well known, it is harmful to health, but at the state level there is no control over the quality of food products and goods.
      1. EvgNik
        EvgNik 30 November 2015 09: 54 New
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        Quote: olimpiada15
        at the state level, there is no control over the quality of food and goods.

        There is control, but we learn about it when the next embargo on the import of products is introduced. We must rely more on our own, personal control - I bought once a little, inedible - do not take it anymore. So, in the end, we switched exclusively to Russian-made products and do not regret it. And beautiful wrappers - let them stay in the store.
  13. beer-youk
    beer-youk 30 November 2015 08: 34 New
    +2
    I can be mistaken, but, in my opinion, Bismarck wrote that the Russians do not forget anything and do not forgive anyone!
  14. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 30 November 2015 08: 35 New
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    So Erdogan has long had facts of betrayal and a 180-degree turn. The wind has been blowing since time immemorial ... hmm! Then it’s clear that this person perceives only money and brute force! However, like all blockheads!
  15. DMB3000
    DMB3000 30 November 2015 08: 40 New
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    Quote: taseka
    Erdogan is a goat !!!!

    Schnick + damp + condom
  16. Al_oriso
    Al_oriso 30 November 2015 08: 45 New
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    Yesterday I watched this program.
    With video, it is much more informative, but the text is also good to repeat.
    Leontiev clearly observes the subtleties.
  17. shinobi
    shinobi 30 November 2015 08: 53 New
    -1
    The Turks are carefully pulled into the Syrian batch. They are good they are carefully climbed there. But on the side of Assad, Iran, with the same goals as Erdogan, only with Iran. And two spiders in the same hole will not get along. Russia on the side of Syria as a guarantee that NATO will not climb to keep the Turks in a batch of Iran vs Turkey. And the outcome is far from obvious. It is only clear that there will be nothing left from Syria in its previous form. Vanga prophesied something like that at the time.
  18. kos2910
    kos2910 30 November 2015 08: 58 New
    +1
    Thank God, flirting with Turkey is over ... And then a visa-free regime, trade ... As they were enemies for 450 years, they remained. And they understand and respect only brute force.
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 30 November 2015 11: 18 New
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      "" You still answer me for Bayazet! "")))))
  19. Aristide
    Aristide 30 November 2015 09: 06 New
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    How everything in history is interconnected. Hitler at one time was fostered by the West. Erdogan - he is. In fact, the war in the world creates a "democratic", "peace-loving" West. The question is, with whom to be friends?
  20. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 30 November 2015 09: 28 New
    +1
    Quote: alvog
    In order to accelerate the restoration of our good relations with Turkey, Erdogan must resign; in any other case, events cannot be predicted.

    He must fill up all the pilidurs with his own hands and shoot himself.
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 30 November 2015 09: 35 New
    +1
    not to add, not to diminish, such a summing up of Russian-Turkish friendship ...
  22. dojjdik
    dojjdik 30 November 2015 10: 26 New
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    igil is turkey israel as the main hypocrite and six of the sheikh of saudarabia, the Syrian war of Iran is waged with them and we help these states while aviation and then it will be seen; the communists knew what they were doing when they fought in Lebanon to put pressure on Israel, that’s the main task, and this meager state is the weakest state
  23. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 30 November 2015 10: 41 New
    +4
    Leontyev- “We knew everything and suffered ...” Okay, yes? It became interesting to me, but about whom at the moment we still “know and tolerate.” This whole dirty and humiliating story that happened between us and the Turks was entirely due to fault our politicians and oligarchs ... Only their indefatigable desire to earn money at any cost drove us into this swamp. We have problems not in Turkey, we have problems at home. Traitors from among the "businessmen" are hundreds of times more dangerous than all of NATO. A soldier can calmly anywhere and fight effectively if everything is fine at his place. And it will fight badly if there is a mess in the rear, and the family has problems ... Example-Ukraine.
    With such a development of events in the 2016 elections, there may be surprises ... This is Russia, baby! fellow
  24. Photon
    Photon 30 November 2015 11: 32 New
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    Leontiev- "We all knew and suffered ..."
    And if we all knew where the cover fighters were?
  25. Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 30 November 2015 12: 21 New
    +7
    Quote: Zoldat_A
    Quote: Moment
    It seems that Erdogan was set up in full, and the days of his reign are numbered. He succumbed to the provocation, and now he understood what was happening.

    I have the feeling that the US is losing their knack for organizing provocations.

    If you can only guess about the cruiser Maine, for whom and who drowned almost three hundred, how are they? - but! Afro-Americans in Pearl Harbor turned outwards by explosions from the inside of the ships can be understood to the extent of their corruption, then with the Gulf of Tonkin it is more or less clear how the three torpedo boats of North Vietnam almost drowned the American fleet. Everything seems to be going smoothly with Kennedy, with the exception of Oswald’s figure — he was leftist, he lived in the USSR, he seemed to be a KGB agent, but the trouble was Wilhelm Tell and they removed him from the game very messy. And then - whatever they do - more and more white threads from the seams stick out ... Apofigey apotheosis, of course, September 11 and soap opera with Bin Laden.

    And now - they came up with a provocation with our plane, hinted to Erdogan, they seemed to calm down. But, as McCain said about the right sector, "nothing can be entrusted to these beaters, even the simplest things." As a result, Erdogan himself burned, and burned the "advisers" ...

    Maybe the generation of provocateurs in America has changed, maybe the world has become smarter and the old methods of organizing provocations do not channel - I do not know. I only know that sincerely believe in American provocations now only their performers. And then until America throws them. There, Saakashvili and Poroshenko already know ...


    "Throwing" for star-strikers is a mentality, and it makes no difference who is an ally or an opponent. This is the “history” of this country - the law of the chicken coop: peck the neighbor, the bastard on the bottom and climb higher until you cheat. It remains only to wonder why even developed countries do not open their mouths, well, there is nothing to say about Miho & Petro. Sometimes it seems that the Americans give cartblanche to their puppets - steal, do what you want, but do not back down from the host line. So in a hurry ...
    In a word, I don’t agree - nothing has changed, which is sad ... There is good news - the theory of a multipolar world has supporters, toothy, caliber, more different
  26. mamont5
    mamont5 30 November 2015 12: 32 New
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    Quote: Zoldat_A
    I have the feeling that the US is losing their knack for organizing provocations.

    This is because they are forced to do these provocations with their lackeys hands, and for those the performance is lame.
  27. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 30 November 2015 13: 36 New
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    In general, it is worth asking B. Assad - maybe he will not mind that his border with Turkey will be traced by tactical nuclear strikes.
    To not run back and forth, like bunnies sponsored by the whole world bearded.
  28. Woodman
    Woodman 30 November 2015 14: 15 New
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    Leontiev knows how to lay out everything on the shelves ... Well done!
  29. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 30 November 2015 16: 47 New
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    For the sake of this, Erdogan provoked a public break with Israel, its former main ally, took an active part in the pogrom of the Libyan Jamahiriya, its second-largest economic partner, and in fact organized the war against Assad, with which he had maintained the most friendly relations.

    Yes you, my friend, a monster worse than Hitler! For the sake of their goals, you will kill your mother!
  30. Infernal man
    Infernal man 1 December 2015 04: 19 New
    -1
    "... Another part of the oil, the smaller one, goes directly from Turkey to Ukraine, where Poroshenko accepts it without question," said French journalist and political scientist Thierry Meyssan ....

    Now it’s clear why Kakly suddenly “refuse” to buy gas from us. There, apparently, the flow was established.
    I wonder where our people are looking. And the question is very worried, when will they close the borders with Kholostan? Waiting for when trouble comes to our cities from there?