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Juche idea in Kiev

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A long time ago, I read how a group of students, having decided to “troll” an average person, walked through the streets of Kiev with slogans and banners of the North Korean regime. Apparently, then it was fun. In general, Ukraine always seemed to me to be a peaceful, gay and free country. And it seemed to me that, unlike Russia, it is waiting for some kind of its own, unusual future. It should have turned out to be something interesting for this South Russian people! I was really interested. I considered the first maidan to be a ridiculous accident, a mistake. Well, there were idiots, staged indecency, but Ukraine is a big country, the inertia of events will move it in a completely different direction. Couldn't Maidan be the only future for an 45-million country? There must be something else in the fate of the Ukrainians. Something positive and interesting. Therefore, the second Maidan was for me a complete surprise.

And this was by no means pink idealism - Ukraine was a large civilized European state with a high level of literacy and education. Compact, relatively warm country with access to the Black Sea. Or rather, like this: the entire south of Ukraine was washed by the non-freezing Black Sea. The country is much less problematic than Russia. There is no Caucasus. (The Caucasus is good! But it’s problematic.) The population is quite homogeneous, the language is understandable and beloved by all Russian. Developed industry and advanced nuclear power as the basis of energy balance. See how interesting it all began? There is no open border with China and the world of Islam, there is no military threat. Enumerate the benefits can be infinite. What about "stolen nuclear weapons”I will say this: it means not a“ grand piano in the bushes ”, but a big headache and serious“ games of big boys ”. There are no small quiet countries with a nuclear bomb in the subfield. Nuclear suitcase - this is not a means of resolving disputes "in the communal kitchen." Ukrainians have never guessed that the presence of nuclear weapons would make them a target for NATO simply out of a sense of self-preservation.

In general, nuclear weapons do not start from a good life, so without it in Ukraine it was better and calmer. At first there were no serious conflicts within the country. Debts too. Life seemed simple and wonderful. So, forgive me, what did the Ukrainian “Vlad” do with such an indecent 22 of the year, that everything ended in a terrible and absolutely incomprehensible to an external observer catastrophe? Frankly, I do not know the answer to this question. All I know is that such a country was doomed. A country where their own citizens are beginning to be killed “in batches,” and all this is welcomed. Where is the democratically elected president forced to flee abroad a year before the elections, which he did not cancel. And they are trying to intercept and kill him. Where they begin to dump the monuments to the founder of the Ukrainian state and smash them into pieces, where the police begin to kill and cut alive.

You see, I’m not interested in the ideology of those who perpetrate mass murder. Irrelevant this. Actually, what happened in the “country of 404” is very much like a typical American horror film. Pass thrash. Well, as the plot goes: at first everything goes well, then a fun suburban trip turns into a nightmare, by the end of the film only a few (s) survive. Blood and corpses unlimited. Ukraine did not become Europe, it became a living nightmare. A nightmare where people disappear, but no one is looking for them. The most surprising thing is that many try to look for some kind of politics and ideology there (in Ukraine). It is not clear, well, what could be the ideology in the "Texas Chainsaw Massacre," what kind of politics could there be? Some people (ludeny?) Cut others and get pleasure from it.

There is no longer a Ukrainian state (if it ever existed) there is a certain territory of Ukraine, where anything can happen, to talk about integrity, which is quite funny. All claims of Ukrainians for the return of the Crimea and Donbass are completely groundless: there is simply no one to return and nowhere to return. Ukraine is not. Already not, unfortunately. State institutions are completely destroyed or discredited. So, one interesting question inevitably arises: what will happen next with the territory of Ukraine? You see, Russia proceeded from the fact that once the Ukrainian economy is tied to it, then a complete break is impossible. We were wrong - possible. Ukrainians thought that once they became “part of the West,” Western living standards would spread to them. They were wrong - no one is going to develop them. The leaders of the West proceeded from the assumption that they would seize political control over Ukraine, and that the economy would continue to be supported by Russia, in order to impose sanctions. They were wrong - Russia uncoupled the Ukrainian trailer.

That is, everyone was wrong - both white, and red, and green ... And the forester came - “supercrisis in Ukrainian.” The territory in the center of Europe without a working economy and legitimate authorities (let's not disturb the shadow of the president’s pan - it’s not easy for him). I just feel that most did not realize the scale of the problem. All right, Europeans think dolls from the TV for them, but Russians have the same clouding of their brains. People ask: "When will Ukraine collapse?" The question is wrong - it has already collapsed. Just as in the human body, some processes go by inertia after the death of the organism. But there is nothing to rejoice here: we got a huge “gray zone” near the borders. Weapons, drugs, terrorism, trade in living goods. This is not a fantasy, this is a harsh everyday life.

In the modern society of the “first world,” one ordinary member consumes a lot of resources: bread, meat, gasoline, electricity, jackets and televisions. And consumes until the most natural death. Pensions, you understand. By the way, this was not always the case: most of the human stories the amount of resources available for consumption was strictly limited, and the number of ordinary members of society was easily and elegantly regulated by cold, hunger and disease. Option: hunger, thirst and tsetse fly. Brezhnev socialism has spoiled us all very much (without irony): we all think that we have the right to work, rest, medicine, education and self-improvement to the level of the 70 elf. And the ruler must give us all this. I must be obliged from the word, otherwise we will be dissatisfied, we will take to the streets and deal with public European integration.

But it was not always, or rather, it was almost never. The ruler usually had one duty to his subjects: to rule over them. Sounds insulting, intolerant? But that's exactly how it always was. I write "Brezhnev socialism" because Stalin was completely different. And even Khrushchev (and especially for "extra" officers "). In general, Brezhnev is the great and largely underestimated ruler of Russia. A kind of Soviet Augustus Octavian (joke). So, returning to our Banderovites: what to do if there is a “European-oriented” population, and there are no resources to support European living standards? In this situation, by and large, there is nothing unusual: most of the human history of the services of doctors were available only to the elite. That is, seriously treating a person in the mass was “unprofitable” for society. It was easier to “make” new ones. It sounds extremely cynical, but that's how it happened.

I once read such a writer, Veresaeva (by profession of a doctor), and so, in Russia at the beginning of the 20 century, the main part of the doctors worked in capitals and large cities. For at least half of the population of Russia, the doctor was not available in principle. And even in large cities, not everyone could pay for his visit. These were not the horrors of tsarism, but objective economic realities. Yes, I also want a “smart home”, two cars, a helicopter and a visa-free Schengen (here the situation changes faster than I write articles). The question is not “Wishlist”, the question is where to get resources for these “Wishlist”. A person's life depends on the political regime, because - “Panda, get out!” Here our Ukrainian friends are absolutely right - it depends, it also depends. But any regime is based on available economic resources. And this is also true. And it is the availability of these same resources that determines the possible types of modes. That is, first of all, all the same resources, and only then a formidable / good tyrant / president.

It is possible to develop the economy, but this is a long and ambiguous affair. You can rob someone from the neighbors (the magical cause of most wars). But this is a dangerous, costly and unpredictable matter of results (if you do not believe it, ask your German comrades). It is also possible to withdraw part of the “population” from active consumption, lowering slaves, serfs or “non-citizens” to the level of slaves. Wow option too. But returning to Ukraine and trying to choose a rational option for further existence, I involuntarily turn to the example of North Korea. And it's not about the love of oriental exotic. The point is this: the first is that this territory cannot be left entirely without control (fraught), the second is that Russia will never finance it, the third is that the West has no extra money for anyone. And what will be the solution? Formerly developed country with a formerly developed industry and a former educated population. And there is no money at all from the word ... Only Juche, only hardcore.



Strong discipline, powerful ideological pumping, poor rations, lack of hot, and perhaps restrictions on cold water, even in large cities. Problems with heating (perhaps its absence), interruptions in electricity (perhaps, on schedule). Degradation of education and medicine (return to pre-WWII level). In North Korea, too, was created a powerful industry, which then went bankrupt. And there was a rather peculiar "post-industrial" society. So, Ukrainians need not only and not so much to study the realities of France (even Russia is completely irrelevant for them as a model). They need to study the experience of North Korea. The ideological idol is Bandera Ban, further down the list. Instead of building a bright future - endless integration into the EU. North Korea's main enemy is South Korea, with a much higher standard of living (although the North Koreans have not switched to "their" language). So, Ukraine will have a main ideological enemy - who would you think? - Russia!

The story is actually rewritten, reality is distorted with the help of Goebbels-TV. The streets are being renamed, monuments are being demolished ... In the "eastern provinces" salvoes of war with the "main aggressor" thunder, recruits leave for the front, funerals come back ... I want to reassure Ukrainians: they will never lose the war - the war in Donbass will be endless. The regime does not need a victory, it needs an endless war with an enemy that can explain everything. In general, in order to experience the future of “European Ukraine”, it is necessary to re-read (namely, re-read, this is a great book about Western civilization) “George Orwell’s 1984”. The morning of an ordinary Ukrainian will begin with a “teleplay of hatred”: the separatists, the aggressor country, Putin and his atrocities.



Poor breakfast, then pathetic attempts to "earn a living." I think, with the money of the European Union, massive “public works” will be organized for rations, rations will be plundered by local organizers. As we well understand, the borders of the “territory of Ukraine” will be tightly closed on all sides: barb, patrols, dogs. And on both sides of the border. A passport with a trident will become a stigma of infamy and second-rate, but it will be almost impossible for a Ukrainian to get some other document. It is clear that Ukraine will be governed by citizens with completely different passports (in the sense of everything).

This is not a fantasy - the flight connection with Russia is already blocked, the Crimea is blocked, Ukrainians are not allowed into Europe. Good news: the population of Ukraine (Reichskommissariat Ukraine?) will gradually decrease, 40 million is good, but too much. Need to save. The fact is that the Ukrainians stopped producing something useful for someone ... Or they were forbidden to do it (the refusal of Russian military orders is hundreds of thousands of unemployed and hungry). With an independent national government, they would be tried to somehow save them. But the “government of Ukraine” is under complete external control, and the Americans are not interested in spending money on someone’s salvation. Therefore - “the best genocides”. Understand, this is not a horror story, but a harsh economic reality. Some rogues seized power in Kiev (by murder), and a wave of murders swept the whole of Ukraine. And no one, I repeat, no one answered for it. That is, human life in Ukraine has ceased to be of serious value. But money just saved such value.

In the coming months, Ukraine is waiting for the beginning of some terrible transformations: the country is tightly minus in money and continues to spend them actively. And this is unacceptable for new owners of Ukraine. In essence, Ukraine repeated the path of Argentina. Once Argentina was quite a country of the first world. Sometime at the beginning of the 20 of the 20th century there was an expression in France: “Rich as an Argentinian”. That was, that was. Now it is a thing of the past, but Argentina was a rich country. Now there is a third world. That is, the movement in geopolitics is possible not only “upward”, like in South Korea, but also “downward”, like in ill-fated Argentina. Again and again, it is clear that many Ukrainians keep in mind the thought: “Then I will leave.” Too late, in the sense of quite late. Do not wait for Ukrainian citizens anywhere. Freedom of movement is a kind of liberal myth. Yes, on TV and on the Internet you can see two hundred countries and thousands of beautiful corners of our planet. And they are waiting for you there, they are waiting for you. Like a rich tourist with money. If so, then yes, of course. You come, leave your money ... and leave. When there were not enough people in the United States, Argentina or Siberia, they were very much welcome there. Labor on the undeveloped expanses is always needed. And it was just needed rough labor for the development of new lands.

Now most countries are well developed. Europe is generally chronically overcrowded: too many people, too little work. Emigration to Europe is some kind of strange nonsense when they emigrate to where people are already sitting on top of each other. Europe has ceased to be the center of the world and the colonial metropolis for a long time. Europe can only rely on its scarce resources to maintain its population (the colonial tale is over!). Europe does not need crowds of Ukrainians, not at all. Europe simply portrayed unlimited hospitality for political purposes. Just think: millions of Ukrainians want to go to Europe, Europe seems to be ready to accept them. Then, forgive me, what difference does it make for all of you, what laws and politicians will be after this in Ukraine? The Ukrainians, speaking of "European integration", smiling slyly, were preparing to rush into Europe as soon as they raised the barrier (where ours did not disappear!). The Europeans, speaking of European integration, smiled no less slyly, holding on to the string from this barrier ... As a result, it turned out quite funny: those who were needed by Europe had already left for a long time and without any Maidan. Those who "rode on Independence", Europe is not needed.

Juche idea in Kiev


Just this illusion was beneficial to maintain in the heads of Ukrainians: “You are ours, literally tomorrow we will open the barrier.” And Ukrainians trustfully began to build a “joint” future with the European Union. But the barrier remained closed. Of course, Putin is to blame. That's only during the Maidan and post-Maid "walks" Ukrainians completely killed their already weak economy. And they will not be allowed into Europe. So the Juche idea is salvation. Naturally in the Ukrainian arrangement. Well, you say, there is Russia! It is possible to go there as a last resort! Alas, it is already impossible for very many reasons: the main of them - Russia did not recognize the Maidan, the Right Sector, a new "owner" in Nezalezhnaya Street. Yes, in fact did not recognize. The right sector is tightly integrated into the new Ukrainian government, but in Russia they are criminals. Against a large number of "heroes of the ATO" in Russia criminal cases were instituted, and this fact cannot be dismissed. The Duma received a proposal to close the entrance to all participants of the "ATO". For us, they are punitive and criminals, such cases. After the “patches”, the Ukrainians did not become their own in Europe, but became completely alien in Russia. New Ukrainian authorities in Russia through the central channels are sometimes frankly called "criminal." Savchenko is a marker. In order to survive in the “new Ukraine”, its citizens will be compelled to persistently demonstrate loyalty to Ban Bandera and his followers, but this is exactly what they will do in Russia, at best, with “non grata” persons, at worst “defendants in criminal cases”.

Here we are trying to frighten us that the new Ukraine will be a threat to Russia. But the opposite is also true: the Russian authorities are extremely tough to demonstrate a negative attitude towards the new rulers of Kiev. All cooperation has been terminated, the visa-free regime is ending, purchases of equipment critical for Ukraine in Russia are impossible. It’s just a break in relations, a fence, a railway bypassing Ukraine, and that’s forever ... there will be no return. The attack on the Ukrainian office in Rostov-on-Don is also a marker. Moscow very clearly demonstrates its disrespect for the "Euro-Ukraine". There is no people more patient than the Russians, but there are no people more cruel. Russia stopped worrying about the problems of Ukraine from the word at all. Sevastopol left, the pipe goes, industrial orders are transferred to Russian factories, tourism has died.

“Ukraine?” - “No, I don’t know!” That is, the problems and their arguments from the citizens of Ukraine in Russia are of no interest to anyone. They asked not to interfere - that is not interfere. Thus, the Iron Curtain also forms from the East. 20 years of separate development were not in vain, Ukrainians are now very difficult to integrate into Russian society - too different value systems. We have ceased to understand each other. Just Ukraine is still largely living by inertia. The new reality will be completely different, it just has not come yet, but its individual contours are already emerging. Nazi Germany also did not originate in one week, or even in one year. In the middle of the 30's, it seemed to many that nothing terrible was happening, everything would “settle down”. Yes, the new regime “settled down”, but for many it cost dearly. Then the "glass", smack on the floor, smashed to smithereens.



The whole problem is that the western curators of the “project of new Ukraine” are in a certain confusion. Westerners are able to plan well - this is a fact, but if the plan is developed and approved, then changing something is almost impossible. They will follow the plan "until it stops." So, the “new Ukraine” was planned with the Donbas, Sevastopol and the Russian market. Due to the actions taken by the Russian leadership: the Black Sea Fleet and the Pipe (with a capital letter) are no longer arguments in the dispute. We must pay tribute to Putin and the team - they have removed the critical issues. Ukraine 22, the year did not engage in any diplomacy - she sought to the West and blackmailed Russia. 2014 year put an end to this blackmail. This is a complete and final “divorce” with Ukraine. That's exactly what the western "friends of Ukraine" did not count on, they hoped that Ukraine would milk Russia endlessly. Plus, Donbass left with its coal and exports.

By the way, one of the main reasons for the punitive operation in the Donbas was precisely its economic value. And the IMF demanded this, in the sense of Kiev’s control over the Donbas. No, they did not require direct text "bomb". At one time, they stipulated control of the main economic region of the country as a condition for obtaining a loan. And a bloody and senseless war began in the Donbas, which finally buried the Ukrainian economy and energy in particular. So the current situation was not planned by anyone in the West, because they are at a loss. Of course, they planned to lower the standard of living in Ukraine, but not so swiftly as it happened in real life. The worst thing is that it should be reduced even further, and at times. Otherwise, the debit with the loan does not converge. The West has never fed anyone at their own expense - forget it. All sanctions hysteria is an attempt to “return everything backwards.” That is, to return to Ukraine the Donbass, the Crimea and the Russian market. By December 2015 it becomes clear that the miracle did not happen. Yes, the whole policy of the EU and the USA (to a lesser extent) since the moment of the putsch in Kiev is the hope of a miracle.

Plan "B" they simply did not have. As a result, they have a Ukraine that has become impoverished to the limit, where industry and energy have collapsed and which has irretrievably lost the Russian market. Irrevocably means forever. Plus, Europe suddenly had new big problems with refugees and terrorists. 1 December 2014 of the year German Foreign Minister Mr. Frank Walter Steinmeier said that perhaps the confrontation with Russia would drag on for 10 years. And in the spring of 2015, the invasion of refugees to Fortress Europe sharply intensified, in the summer it turned into a nightmare. It's funny, isn’t it? And how did you breathe, how did you breathe ... With today's stream of refugees through 10 years, the Russian Federation will sign an "eternal peace" with the German Caliphate (Emirate?). In general, this is a bad sign for the German Foreign Minister to openly threaten Russia. The last such figure was hanged by the neck in Nuremberg. Well, Mr. Steinmeier is still ahead ... An exclusive silk lace with rhinestones from grateful burghers, for example. The biggest foreign policy problem of beautiful France before the November 13 regimes were Putin and Assad. Both dictatorial and intolerant. Then everything suddenly changed, and literally in the presence of the bewildered Hollande. The United States has already frankly plunged into their internal election campaigns. Not until Ukraine is the West.

Ukraine can only sympathize: as a result of all the intrigues, shelling and sanctions, it fell into the “third world”, without any prospects of reaching the surface. But Ukraine, unfortunately, is not Africa - most of Ukraine’s population lives in cities, and it is not possible to “resettle” them back to the “hut with cherries”. Employment in the cities and the earnings of this population was designed to provide industry, which died. And without earnings to live very, very difficult. At the moment, Ukraine ranks first in the world in natural population decline and second in the world in mortality (after South Africa). This means that Ukrainians as a people are superfluous at this celebration of life. It was in Ukraine 50 million, now closer to 40, but there will be 30 ... This is inevitable. The future of Ukraine is a tightly closed totalitarian society with a beggarly standard of living, whose main goal is to reduce the number of members of society. In order not to consume a valuable resource. You say, "Warsaw ghetto?" That's right, but the Ukrainians themselves built it.

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  1. cniza
    cniza 1 December 2015 09: 45 New
    33
    The phrase rezanula ... Ukraine was a large civilized state ... but it was, but alas.
    1. Baikonur
      Baikonur 1 December 2015 10: 00 New
      +7
      Aha
      Do not squeeze, so civilized bite!
      I’ll hide my civilized hut!
      Where a civilized "Ukrainian" has passed, there is nothing for an uncivilized Jew to do!
      laughing
      - sayings about "civilized" people of Urkain!
      1. Cube123
        Cube123 1 December 2015 10: 34 New
        +5
        Quote: Baikonur
        Aha
        Do not squeeze, so civilized bite!
        I’ll hide my civilized hut!
        Where a civilized "Ukrainian" has passed, there is nothing for an uncivilized Jew to do!
        laughing
        - sayings about "civilized" people of Urkain!
      2. Vikings
        Vikings 1 December 2015 10: 58 New
        0
        This is not kashirny, God's chosen and dill!
        Fu
      3. Private IITR
        Private IITR 1 December 2015 11: 23 New
        0
        So cool they look in Soviet uniform)
      4. Observer2014
        Observer2014 1 December 2015 12: 21 New
        +7
        Pure neighing want !? If so, then a story from your own life.
        I like that in Kiev (it was true for a long time) stepped on a nail. I punctured my leg, be healthy. Well, of course, "shkandybal" in a hurry. They brought me to my senses and let's get a tetanus injection. And he, this injection was done in three stages, within an hour or so. And in the break between the procedure, out of nothing to do, I decided to hit the nurse. She did not mind and we agreed to meet in four days. Since I could barely crawl after that nail.
        Four days passed, I already forgot that I stepped on a nail.
        As a true gentleman, I had been going out all morning. And as agreed with Mademoiselle, I called her.
        In a conversation we agreed on a meeting place. And everything would have been just class. If not for one detail! She ended her conversation with a phrase from which I almost collapsed under the pay phone (at that time cell phones were just starting to appear). "I WON'T COME ALONE, I WILL COME WITH MY BROTHER ?? !! And since from the windows of the dorm where I lived at that time at least half a hundred envious faces looked at me with envy. So I had nothing to do but go on a date.
        And so, I’m sitting on a date in a cafe against me and some kind of bloke in a fashionable cap. I was just bursting with laughter and curiosity. What does all this mean? I’m not a timid one and almost two meters tall, therefore this a mute scene besides laughter didn’t cause me anything.
        And then they started recruiting me to the "Church of Jesus Christ" !!! I generally fell out. This is what I went to see! Realizing that the date flew into tar-tarars, I decided to somehow compensate for the moral losses. And I told them one key phrase: "Until you get me drunk with beer, I will not talk to you."
        For about three hours they "bash" and tried this and that to recruit me into their sect. In the end, as I understand it, they left the "event" as atheists.
        Moral: Sectarians of all stripes plundered the souls of the people of Ukraine. They (sects) are there like mosquitoes in the taiga. Therefore, I won’t be surprised at the idea of ​​Juche in Kiev!
        Regards Observer 2014.
        1. Turkir
          Turkir 2 December 2015 01: 02 New
          +1
          An instructive story for you. A "cautionary" story for them.
          If you work all day in the garden, and in the evening sit on a bench to bite seeds, you can get into a sect from such a life.
          Only these sects themselves were not born in Ukraine. And such "brothers and sisters" do not work for free, but for a certain number of SOULS (how can Satan not remember) - they receive a green card in the USA. Did you know about it?
    2. Finches
      Finches 1 December 2015 10: 07 New
      +4
      "This South Russian people should have gotten something interesting!" - that it’s not good. I understood that God knows when Bogdan Khmelnitsky!
      1. Comrade Bender
        Comrade Bender 1 December 2015 11: 46 New
        +2
        Bohdan Khmelnytsky was not going to understand, but, like now the Ukrogabon rulers, tried to sit on several chairs at once. Signing the Treaty of Pereyaslav at the same time curry favor with the Turks and Poles. So the venality of the widespread "Ukrainians" was already evident then. As soon as they feel bad, they ask for help from Russia (with a desire to profit for free), but with the prospect of correcting their affairs, they immediately dump aside, blaming the benefactor for all the sins.
    3. just exp
      just exp 1 December 2015 10: 10 New
      +8
      with what fright was she a civilized country? it has always been Ukraine, a country of incomprehension, under-Russia and under-west. a kind of cocktail of conceit with theft.
      1. Rostov Papa
        Rostov Papa 1 December 2015 11: 05 New
        +3
        Ukrainians have already reached the bottom, and with tenacity worthy of a better application, they are breaking through it. And wait for the terrible end of Ukraine is not worth it, it will be horror without end. But I would not compare with North Korea, the mentality is very different.

        And here is a visa-free regime partially already a reality.
    4. shibi
      shibi 1 December 2015 10: 13 New
      +9
      A big plus to the author!
      404 country took place ...
      1. REDBLUE
        REDBLUE 1 December 2015 10: 25 New
        +2
        It seems to me it's time to slowly forget about the country 404. Throwing such articles to no avail. The people are tired of listening to Ukrainians. Strengthen the border with an independent. And forget like a nightmare. Let them boil in their chaos
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 1 December 2015 10: 39 New
        +6
        Quote: sibi
        A big plus to the author!
        404 country took place ...

        I would love to re-read this article in five years, and preferably in ten. And 10 years later, to my grandson, by that time, I hope, already a senior lieutenant, I will say: "Look, ten years ago, Oleg Egorov wrote at the VO - how he looked into the water. Everything is how it happened now ...."

        By the way, the second picture with dreams of the European Union, of course, will remain a dream for Ukraine. And I have this picture for the second year. When I review, I am always touched by Ukrainian naivety ....

        They threw us with the European Union, we got divorced. That Maydanovka was right that sprinkled rhymes "We will never be brothers ..." Never. And she stole the rhymes ... It's a normal Ukrainian habit ...
        1. Olezhek
          1 December 2015 11: 48 New
          +2
          I would love to read this article in five years, and preferably in ten. And after 10 years


          Thank you, but our world is constantly changing, and nonlinear ...
          That you would believe 4 a year ago in the operation of the VKS in Syria and the closure of Egypt and Turkey?

          All forecasts are conditional ...
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 1 December 2015 14: 04 New
            +2
            Quote: Olezhek
            Well, would you believe 4 years ago in the operation of the videoconferencing in Syria and the closure of Egypt and Turkey?

            Yes, I would not have believed in 1982 that Yeltsin, Gaidar and August of 91 were possible in the USSR ... Then I would be mistaken. And now objectively - no. That's because then I had other concerns, and now I, twice a senior citizen, all business - to sit on the couch and analyze geopolitics laughing . Especially in the winter.
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 December 2015 10: 43 New
      +6
      Quote: cniza
      The phrase rezanula ...

      Rezanul that you managed to read the article in 2 minutes.
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 1 December 2015 11: 48 New
        +1
        But he didn't write - "the article burned my soul .." or "I read it, thought a lot .." :-) :-)
      2. andj61
        andj61 1 December 2015 11: 50 New
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: cniza
        The phrase rezanula ...

        Rezanul that you managed to read the article in 2 minutes.

        good hi "There are many things in the world, friend Horatio, that our sages never dreamed of."
        Apparently, the people have a lot of hidden virtues, including speed reading! wink
        I liked one phrase from the article:
        In general, this is a bad sign for the German Foreign Minister to openly threaten Russia. The last of these figures was hanged by the neck in Nuremberg. Well, Mr. Steinmeier is still ahead ... An exclusive silk lace with rhinestones from grateful burghers, for example.

        Only this is unlikely to be the burghers, rather the emir-sultan-padish of some Deutschestan, especially when you consider the growing number of Muslims in Germany and the old traditions of the Ottoman Empire about silk lace. winked
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 1 December 2015 14: 14 New
          +2
          Quote: andj61
          emir-sultan-padishah of some Deutschestan, especially given the growing number of Muslims in Germany

          Moreover, 30-40 years ago Germany laid down a GOOD bomb under itself - they began to accept migrant workers EXACTLY from Turkey. After the unification of Germany, this mistake was only "hardened and expanded." They would accept guest workers from Poland, the Czech Republic - no, they needed Muslims. I wanted multiculturalism. Well, we got it ... Here is one culture, German, here another - Muslim. And they do not mix like water and oil. And with the arrival of the current wave, everything became three times worse. And the relatives and relatives of the relatives of those who have already arrived will arrive - quite the fifth point will be.

          There is a good film about France and a book - "Notre Dame Mosque". There are many interesting things ...
    6. SPACE
      SPACE 1 December 2015 11: 06 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      Ukraine was a large civilized state ... but it was, but alas.

      Buy popcorn, this is not the end, there are still many events ahead, including federalization is possible and something else ...
      Quote: sa-zz
      article is a statement of fact

      Yes, facts are a stubborn thing, although, in principle, tendencies were read before the Maidan, a good analysis of the HPP))) a kind of hello to "strange people" from the distant past 2014)))
    7. WKS
      WKS 1 December 2015 11: 33 New
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      The phrase rezanula ... Ukraine was a large civilized state ... but it was, but alas.

      Have you been to this Ukraine? These were separate cities of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev, but many other cities and towns have never been civilized. And in these settlements the bulk of the population lives.
      1. Gato
        Gato 2 December 2015 00: 29 New
        0
        Quote: wks
        Have you been to this Ukraine? These were separate cities of Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Kiev

        It is true, yes. These cities (and many others) differ from the rest of rural Ukraine just as Moscow does from Russia.
    8. Dmitry_24rus
      Dmitry_24rus 1 December 2015 19: 42 New
      +1
      The article is simply magnificent, I propose to reprint it on all Ukrainian. forums and just stick on the pillars of the new young guards of partisans in cities and villages, temporarily occupied by the maydaun cities and villages of the former Ukraine.
  2. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 1 December 2015 09: 47 New
    31
    Juche ideas are designed for the hard-working Korean who is always ready for difficulties. Which is not comparable to the Ukrainian "freeloader".
    1. dorz
      dorz 1 December 2015 09: 54 New
      +1
      More like Somalia.
    2. just exp
      just exp 1 December 2015 10: 11 New
      +2
      You don’t even understand how the whip in the hands of the right-hander (behind which the west and the pig stand) makes the Ceyro-Europeans more efficient and industrious.
    3. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 10: 36 New
      +2
      The Juche idea is designed for a hard-working and always-ready Korean.


      Fascism took place in very different countries from Spain to Romania.
  3. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 1 December 2015 09: 52 New
    18
    No Korea will be there! The people are of a completely different breed. Firstly, the majority of Koreans are hardworking and disciplined. Secondly, they have a thirst for a personality cult. Their leader is God for them! But what are Ukrainians like? They have everything diametrically opposite! In the most optimistic version, this is the second Moldova. And in the pessimistic version it is the territory of chaos and banditry.
    1. Roman1970
      Roman1970 1 December 2015 10: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: dchegrinec
      No Korea will be there! The people are of a completely different breed. Firstly, the majority of Koreans are hardworking and disciplined. Secondly, they have a thirst for a personality cult. Their leader is God for them! But what are Ukrainians like? They have everything diametrically opposite! In the most optimistic version, this is the second Moldova. And in the pessimistic version it is the territory of chaos and banditry.

      I agree, perhaps ... There is no leader in Ukraine now, whom the people will support ... One thief, unfortunately. Anyway, these news from the country of 404 are tired, there are enough of our affairs ...
      1. Olezhek
        1 December 2015 10: 22 New
        0
        There is no leader in Ukraine now that the people will support.


        You read about the early Hitler - you will be shocked at how tricky he was

        Kim, too, is not down from heaven ...
    2. 34 region
      34 region 1 December 2015 10: 20 New
      +2
      There will be America. Where the indigenous people themselves are Okraintsy. Well, people want to suffer! A dream come true! It is a pity that none of the Ukrainians go to the American aborigines to learn from the experience of survival in a civilized country.
    3. Abakan
      Abakan 1 December 2015 10: 25 New
      +1
      yes +++ you will never be there in Korea))) crest and work things are incompatible
      1. sisa29
        sisa29 1 December 2015 12: 18 New
        0
        I do not agree! Ukrainians have never been lazy, of course that touches for himself and not for the sake of an idea
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 1 December 2015 11: 34 New
      +1
      Quote: dchegrinec
      In the most optimistic version, this is the second Moldova. And in the pessimistic version, it is the territory of chaos and banditry.

      In the variant with Moldova, Ukraine will last longer. And the territory of chaos and banditry - very soon there will be nothing and no one to rob. This Makhnovism-Bandera movement will move in all directions "on business trips." And who will love it? I know for sure that we, with all the liberalism of our Government, will tolerate them less than Europe. Let's react faster. Maybe it’s necessary, this gastarbeit banditry from Ukraine, so that our Navirha stirs, finally, and closes the border DEADLY? Only the people that suffer are sorry. Therefore, we must think now, and not when they have nothing to rob in Ukraine ...
  4. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 1 December 2015 09: 54 New
    +2
    Surely in Ukraine, most are still hoping for PEREMOGU left to understand from whom?)))
  5. vorobey
    vorobey 1 December 2015 09: 54 New
    +8
    Thank you Oleg for the article .. if there were questions and controversy over previous publications ... then all the questions have been removed and just take off my hat ... hi
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 1 December 2015 12: 53 New
      0
      Yes the article is really good. The only thing I disagree with is the absence of a plan "B". He is and is now and is being implemented. The plan is to create a Ukrainian Somalia. The longer the bucha is, the more profitable the United States.
  6. venaya
    venaya 1 December 2015 09: 56 New
    0
    Ukrainians trustingly began to build a “joint” future with the European Union. But the barrier remained closed. Of course, Putin is to blame. ... The future of Ukraine is a tightly closed totalitarian society with a beggarly standard of living, primary goal whom - reduction in the number of members of society. To not consume a valuable resource

    And Polpot studied in Sarbon, how it turns out, it seems like they study in a civilized country, and the result is a "third world" with all the poverty. The influence of Goebbels-TV prevails over common sense. Maybe think about it?
    1. U-96
      U-96 1 December 2015 10: 11 New
      -1
      Quote: venaya
      Can you think about it?

      what exactly? Maybe something in the Sorbonne to fix?
      Quote: venaya
      Goebels TV
      Goebbels name can be any TV, brainwashing function is inherent in their nature. Ours is no exception.
    2. V.ic
      V.ic 1 December 2015 10: 55 New
      +1
      Quote: venaya
      in Cаrboнe studied

      Quote: venaya
      Can you think about it?

      (Fr. la Sorbonne)
      Yes, it's worth considering!
  7. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 1 December 2015 09: 57 New
    -2
    Comrade Eun, at a loss ...: well, the "port bag" on the stand is clear, but what is this ???
    1. corn
      corn 1 December 2015 10: 12 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Well, the "port bag" on the stand is clear, but this is what ???

      Corkscrew, for opening the "port bag".
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 December 2015 10: 45 New
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      Well, the "port bag" on the stand is clear, but this is what ???

      They themselves do not know, they are studying, trying to understand.
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 1 December 2015 09: 58 New
    +6
    It should also be added that it was the Americans who were going to extract shale gas in the Donbass, and for this it was necessary to "remove" the resisting population. It didn't work out, and only this year Shell was completely removed.
  9. sa-zz
    sa-zz 1 December 2015 10: 05 New
    +2
    Sadly, an article is a statement of facts, and Juche ... not for a Ukrainian.
    1. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 10: 24 New
      +1
      Any Jew will confirm to you that the Warsaw ghetto is not for him, however ...
    2. U-96
      U-96 1 December 2015 10: 24 New
      0
      Quote: sa-zz
      and juche ... not for a Ukrainian.

      for xoxlov now more suitable songun, IMHO laughing
  10. emulgator
    emulgator 1 December 2015 10: 05 New
    +7
    Yes, everything is right, the industry was killed ... How it all ends is also unclear. Ukraine could become different if there was another president, such as Lukashenko.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 December 2015 10: 16 New
      +5
      Quote: emulgator
      Ukraine could become different if there was another president, such as Lukashenko.


      German will say hurtful words, but Ukraine would be different if during the years of independence it would become one nation ... or would strive to become ... but Ukrainian Svidomo prevailed. and it’s not the president’s business .. how they robbed and killed Russia until 2000 is a good example ... you have to go through this as well .. hi
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 1 December 2015 10: 55 New
        +5
        Quote: vorobey
        Ukraine would be different if during the years of independence it would become one nation ... or strive to become ...

        You can't cross a snake with a hedgehog. You will get an unviable meter of barbed wire. The howls of the authorities about "food Ukraine" are useless. Well, I can't force myself to consider the Galician Banderovites as Ukrainians. And they will never perceive our part of Ukraine as equal. For them, we are all "nesvidomi mos.ka.li. "Initially, attempts to blind a certain state with a common ideology on this territory were doomed to failure. All the more so when, for the" common ", they forcibly tried to instill at the state level the ideology of a marginalized minority. Action generates opposition. Such a creeping sabotage in Ukrainian An open fight is fraught, the PS and the SBU are not asleep, so you can simply not accept Galicai ideas as alien, or bring them to the point of absurdity, to the point of ridiculousness, support them in words, but in fact do the exact opposite. That is why no "rekhvorms" go. . And they will not go. Galicia farmsteads seized power in Kiev. Like they won, but "the crocodile is not caught, the coconut does not grow." viable, no, everyone is to blame for them. But the author in the article is not entirely right. Russia needs Ukraine. To give the West vast territories at its side, with a population where there are many Russians is not reasonable. Let the West get closer to your heart - This is not reasonable. The struggle is not over yet. The Ukrainians must get their fill of "freedom" and "Europe" and "ripen" then the chances of the victory of the Russian world on the territory of Ukraine will increase significantly. Yes, there will be filtration, and the separation of the wheat from the chaff, but already a technical question.
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 1 December 2015 12: 46 New
        +1
        I would say that poison was injected into all of us and Russia was almost swallowed, but we burp it out, and Ukraine, while showing signs of life, has already begun to be digested and at the exit it will be reborn into a “civilized go-o.” There will be no independent exit for Ukraine.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 December 2015 10: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: emulgator
      Ukraine could become different if there was another president, such as Lukashenko.

      A similar Lukashenko could not become president there. The basis of politics in Ukraine is We are great, Russians are evil that impedes Ukraine, we all owe it. With this approach, a simple candidate will not receive even 5% of the vote.
  11. Yoshig
    Yoshig 1 December 2015 10: 07 New
    +2
    Good article. The facts are examined from different angles. In the situation with Ukraine, I do not understand one thing: Why do ordinary Ukrainians allow themselves to spread rot?
    We need to remember what liberal politicians and outright thieves at the helm of the state can lead to.
    1. corn
      corn 1 December 2015 10: 32 New
      +3
      Quote: Yoshig
      Why ordinary Ukrainians allow themselves to spread rot?

      Is it just Ukrainians?
      1. Erg
        Erg 1 December 2015 12: 15 New
        +1
        Here, my dear, there is one significant difference - Ukrainians do not just allow themselves to be rotten, but are also proud of it. And "not only Ukrainians" at least understand the situation.
    2. TVM - 75
      TVM - 75 1 December 2015 11: 15 New
      +2
      Why ordinary Ukrainians allow themselves to spread rot?

      Because in the beginning there was great hope for a big freebie. Well, then it all started by inertia. Laziness multiplied by ambition and commonplace theft. They looked around, and they are already in ... opera.
  12. vadimtt
    vadimtt 1 December 2015 10: 07 New
    +2
    A good article, somehow put everything on the shelves. Thanks to the author!
  13. moskowit
    moskowit 1 December 2015 10: 08 New
    +1
    The article is interesting, gives material for thought ... There are enough examples throughout world history when, after the orgy of unbridled one-sided "democracy", a "firm hand" comes to power or is called upon (with the tacit consent of the people), and then the consequences are not predictable. For the country itself, the people inhabiting it, and the surrounding "neighbors" ...
  14. Fisman
    Fisman 1 December 2015 10: 09 New
    +2
    The Russian media are often biased, BUT UKRAINIAN MEDIA - This is tin, they make foolish, evil orcs of people !!!
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 1 December 2015 10: 20 New
      +4
      Quote: Fisman
      The Russian media are often biased, BUT UKRAINIAN MEDIA - This is tin, they make foolish, evil orcs of people !!!


      oh guys, if you had understood this a couple of years ago ... hi then it was still a reversible process
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    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 1 December 2015 10: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Fisman
      The Russian media are often biased, BUT UKRAINIAN MEDIA - This is tin, they make foolish, evil orcs of people !!!

      During the Maidan period, I argued with two ...
      Kars is always supporting Maidan and expects unprecedented benefits from him.
      Akim, a fierce opponent of Maidan, advocated rapprochement with Russia.

      A year has passed.
      Kars is disappointed with maidan and everything connected with him.
      The akim, sent to the warrior with padded jackets in the Donbass, received a snot along with his entire brigade. (It is not clear how he remained alive at all) As a result, he became a fascist and now he is everywhere registered under the name Slave-master.
      1. Gato
        Gato 2 December 2015 00: 48 New
        0
        And you, Alexander, remember the biographies of General Slashchev, Lev Zadov, or at least Marshal Shaposhnikov.
        They, of course, are not Akim and Kars - but life sometimes does not prescribe such a pretzel.
  15. Yoshig
    Yoshig 1 December 2015 10: 12 New
    0
    Quote: moskowit
    The article is interesting, gives material for thought ... There are enough examples throughout world history when, after the orgy of unbridled one-sided "democracy", a "firm hand" comes to power or is called upon (with the tacit consent of the people), and then the consequences are not predictable. For the country itself, the people inhabiting it, and the surrounding "neighbors" ...

    Maybe certain forces create a suitable "atmosphere" for the creation of a new Reich?
    1. U-96
      U-96 1 December 2015 10: 23 New
      0
      Quote: Yoshig
      "atmosphere" for the creation of a new Reich?

      what do you mean by "Reich"? Ideology, boundaries ...
      1. Yoshig
        Yoshig 1 December 2015 11: 49 New
        0
        First of all, whipping up discontent, a sense of resentment and underestimated superiority. And then a "strong leader" simply appears and the herd can be led to a neighboring clearing.
  16. avva2012
    avva2012 1 December 2015 10: 14 New
    +2
    Juche, not for a Ukrainian, that's for sure. The United States does not like North Korea, this is a symptom. Perhaps not everything is as bad as the liberals paint for us. Ah, Ukraine? Yes, to hell with her, not New Russia. Why do they need in such a situation the areas adjacent to the Black Sea. Let Kiev and everything to the west live in the ghetto, if it wants to. In the Southeast, Russian people live!
    1. revnagan
      revnagan 1 December 2015 11: 20 New
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      In the Southeast, Russian people live!

      Russian people live all over Ukraine.
  17. HAM
    HAM 1 December 2015 10: 14 New
    +1
    All this is sad, but you need to know the Ukrainians, "I will not bite, I will not believe."
  18. NeRTT
    NeRTT 1 December 2015 10: 20 New
    +1
    Quote: Egoza
    It should also be added that it was the Americans who were going to extract shale gas in the Donbass, and for this it was necessary to "remove" the resisting population. It didn't work out, and only this year Shell was completely removed.

    Yeah, and after such an alleged "extraction": Groundwater pollution is really naughty !! They need it so that European GMO-shny vegetables and grain crops completely supplant Ukrainian and Russian crops. after such extraction, even people die from pollution ... stop
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 1 December 2015 10: 21 New
    +2
    The author is in a hurry with the deadlines, but on the whole it is correct. It is a very large territory, and there are a lot of people, and there are still enough reserves of "subcutaneous fat" for many. And the workers from behind the cordon send money (for now), and the land will give birth to something, and some enterprises are working. Therefore, the process will drag on, the transformation of Dill not into S. Korea, but in Gulyaypole - will go on for some time. At the same time, pieces will fall off the territory - it is not so easy to fence off such a space with an impregnable wall. Resources are needed.
    North Korea is scary, brothers. No, they who live there are not scared, they have fun, they are selfless to the point of sacrifice. I had a chance to communicate with them ten years ago - in all seriousness, through the phrase, they remembered "The Leader and the Teacher" with aspiration. And the last - at the weightlifting championship, their girl was injured in the first exercise.
    She could not stand, after each approach she fell on the platform - but won silver.
    1. your1970
      your1970 1 December 2015 10: 56 New
      0
      Dates? Well, not 10, let 20 years, the author is right in the main, in the general direction of the movement ...
      1. Olezhek
        1 December 2015 11: 10 New
        0
        Terms? Well, not 10, let 20 years, the author is right in the main, in the general direction of movement


        I describe one of the possible options. But faster if there - definitely not for 20 years.
        (money in Ukraine ran out)
        because faster ..
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 December 2015 12: 53 New
          0
          with pennies they have real zrada ....
  20. 34 region
    34 region 1 December 2015 10: 27 New
    +3
    Another country is knocked out of the global economy. And so sought to integrate into it! Maybe we should take this experience into account and not break into globalization? North Korea with scarce resources survives somehow. Israel is offended by fossils. And we live in the pantry (in the warehouse) and weep all: Uncle! Help! Invest in us! We ourselves are wretched!
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 1 December 2015 12: 59 New
      0
      But it already depends on the powers that be ... sad
  21. aszzz888
    aszzz888 1 December 2015 10: 30 New
    0
    The non-fall campaign is no longer getting out. And her destiny is living in poverty. But the question is, will it reach the average mind of a Ukrainian, who is to blame? I'm afraid that soon, no, it won’t. And this is their destiny. request
  22. Alekseev-Orsk
    Alekseev-Orsk 1 December 2015 10: 30 New
    +1
    Exactly. The author of my respect !!!
  23. avva2012
    avva2012 1 December 2015 10: 32 New
    +4
    All of us were greatly spoiled by Brezhnev socialism (without irony): we all think that we have the right to work, rest, medicine, education and self-improvement to the level of the 70 elf. And the ruler must provide us with all this. I must from the word I must, otherwise we will be unhappy, take to the streets and engage in public European integration.
    Now, that's for sure. And it concerns not only Ukrainians. Just for those who like to argue that Putin is not good. The holiday is over, for all! Remember the slogans of the USSR, so, this will not happen, never. The normal, bestial appearance of capitalism is in our yard. The rulers, as in any civilized country, don't give a damn about us. So take your pick and work while it's still light. The Ukrainians did not understand this. Infantilism has become their ideology, "I want lace panties ..", that's what we got. We, I hope, having survived the 90s, in our own skin, realized that you just have to work.
  24. maks-101
    maks-101 1 December 2015 10: 49 New
    0
    Quote: cniza
    The phrase rezanula ... Ukraine was a large civilized state ... but it was, but alas.

    Ukraine was, Europe can be said too. Here are the realities of the coming years, the border on the castle from the black to the northern sea, along the border are pulmetic nests. Who today is ready to go to Europe for permanent residence, I will not go even for nothing.
  25. V.ic
    V.ic 1 December 2015 10: 57 New
    0
    Does the author know how many "Ukrainians" are plowing in the "oil industry" in the "north"?
  26. tarik13
    tarik13 1 December 2015 10: 58 New
    -2
    What are you happy about? We, Ukrainians, are the same Slavic people. If everything is going to be bad, then you will have to keep the military contingent on the border. You can not rejoice when a brother is ill. Ukraine was, is and will be.
    1. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 11: 07 New
      +3
      No one is happy - just an attempt to predict the development of the territory of Ukraine
      There was France Spain Russia Germany China

      Ukraine as a state has never been and never will be

      Even Poland is only partly a state.
    2. gla172
      gla172 1 December 2015 11: 07 New
      +2
      We didn’t drag you into the ento ,,,,,,, and asked to come to our senses many times ......
      And to rejoice, or not, is our right .....
    3. HAM
      HAM 1 December 2015 11: 11 New
      +2
      You talking about brothers, and the Ukrainians themselves disowned us .. Rhymes to remind! ??
    4. Barbudo
      Barbudo 1 December 2015 11: 52 New
      0
      And if a brother was hired as a worker for a bad owner? Who has the first condition when applying for a job - the complete cessation of contact with family? Did you go yourself? Accept the terms? Did you believe the promises? What a joy here ... And on the occasion of it is and will be: the song was like "Unbreakable Union ....", etc. About was? Time will tell.
    5. andj61
      andj61 1 December 2015 12: 05 New
      +2
      Quote: tarik13
      What are you happy about? We, Ukrainians, are the same Slavic people. If everything is going to be bad, then you will have to keep the military contingent on the border. You can not rejoice when a brother is ill. Ukraine was, is and will be.

      Yes, we are not happy, in principle, these are all tears, even doomed in the form of irony and sarcasm. The Ukrainians are not at all "the same Slavic people", we are divided parts of one people, parts that - and not unsuccessfully - set against each other. You, the same Russians in your Ukraine, admitted that you made enemies of us Russians in Russia in a little over 20 years. And until February 2014, we didn't really know about it. Therefore, whether we want it or not, you will have to go through all this to the end. When the majority of the people understand that you have been cheated on, and Russia is not to blame for this, it will be possible to start building relations from scratch. But they will not be the same.
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    7. Erg
      Erg 1 December 2015 12: 25 New
      +1
      For you, Ukrainians-Svidomites, "Tartik 13" is one name - traitors. Remember this. And you shit into our souls so much that I don't even know how long it will take for this to be erased from memory ...
    8. Manul
      Manul 1 December 2015 12: 25 New
      +4
      Quote: tarik13
      You can not rejoice when a brother is ill.

      Rejoice? You would see our faces, you would look into our souls, when you shouted on the Maidan in a single impulse - m.oskalyaku to gilyaku, when the Bandera torchlight processions marched in Kiev, when the Golden Eagles burned, when we shouted to you, the phones were cut off, tried to reach out -You are deceived, snipers on the Maidan shot protesters in the back, why they cut down trees with bullet marks when the first shots and blood in Mariupol, when Odessa happened ... Rejoice? You apparently do not even imagine how we suffer. To reduced cheekbones, to heartache, to tears in the eyes. Brothers? Already do not swear mo.skali? Wait a little longer. Soon the fraternal population will begin to turn into Russian. For when a Ukrainian becomes wiser, he becomes Russian. You still need time. Either completely degrade, or become Russian.
    9. andreyobd
      andreyobd 1 December 2015 12: 33 New
      +1
      Yes, everyone is tired of you, died so died.
    10. AID.S
      AID.S 1 December 2015 12: 58 New
      0
      Ah, Ukraine, phantom pain ... and surgical retreat .. or transplant.
      Was, yes swam ..
  27. bocsman
    bocsman 1 December 2015 11: 03 New
    +1
    I really wanted the outskirts and its inhabitants to be exceptional. They blew it into their ears and they poorly believed! Well, now really become extremely duped and poor! Only a dumb person blames a stranger for his troubles without trying to figure out his complexes. A sign of schizophrenic by the way! And then a whole country!
  28. avva2012
    avva2012 1 December 2015 11: 05 New
    +1
    Quote: tarik13
    You can not rejoice when a brother is ill.

    Ah, we are not happy. You are about family ties, reminded your government more often. And, we remember, we grieve.
  29. Tra-ta-ta
    Tra-ta-ta 1 December 2015 11: 06 New
    +1
    The article invigorates, but ...
    The most ridiculous thing is that our liberals in the government are trying to do the same with us: education, medicine, pensions, housing and communal services, additional taxes, mortgage loans, etc.
    1. Gorinich
      Gorinich 1 December 2015 13: 02 New
      0
      Moreover, the whole process is ongoing now. The only question is the size of the stopping distance ...
  30. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 1 December 2015 11: 09 New
    +3
    Very nice, thoughtful article. Thank. Nothing to say and add, but I do not want to dance on the bones. No matter what they say, a lot of things connect us (and will connect us) with Ukraine.
  31. TTX
    TTX 1 December 2015 11: 09 New
    +1
    Prekrashenko of Ukraine did his job perfectly well what next? What is the plan of sga? What is our response to the unleashed mess on our borders? Just like that with pleasure we will observe how "V. died" and those 40miliens are all fascists without exception? It's sad.
    1. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 11: 10 New
      0
      Our planet is not very similar to Disneyland .. alas ..
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  33. strannik1985
    strannik1985 1 December 2015 11: 30 New
    +1
    They need to study the experience of North Korea. The ideological idol is Pan Bandera, further down the list. Instead of building a bright future - endless integration into the EU. North Korea has the main enemy - South Korea, with a much higher standard of living (though North Koreans have not switched to "their" language).


    It is not necessary, in order for 404 to get to the DPRK position:
    1. Several years of natural disasters on a regional scale, restrictions on the receipt of humanitarian aid due to "we won't give it, everything will fall apart for them."
    2. That in Russia every year near the borders with Ukraine, two-month exercises be held involving up to 200 thousand people (in the Republic of Korea, such US-Korean exercises have been held for 40 years), so that in peacetime you have to maintain a huge army for the country peacetime.
    2. To create a staff of managers in Russia for the entire territory of Ukraine, up to the rectors of universities (the so-called "Management of the Northern Territories").
    3.To introduce an analogue of the Law on National Security in Russia - up to 1,5 years probation for downloading Ukrainian tunes, from 4 to 9 years in prison and the same loss of rights for group performance of Ukrainian songs (a real example from the legal practice of the Republic of Kazakhstan, only Ukrainian to replace North Korean).
    4. To break up with the EU and the USA, so that they support insofar as it is out of necessity, so that they have to develop and produce the main types of weapons and military equipment independently.
    Then, Ukraine should study the ideas of Juche (building a state based on nationalism and its own forces).
    1. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 11: 45 New
      0
      It is not necessary, in order for 404 to get to the DPRK position:


      Colleague - imagine you need to have dinner, and you are in a foreign city and there is no money at all from the word, but you want to eat ...
      Options ??

      Here are my predictions about growing out of the same garbage cans ... request
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 1 December 2015 12: 00 New
        0
        Options ??

        As before, they will play "affectionate heifer", just earlier they played more or less independence, they are simply far from the stability of North Korea.
        1. Olezhek
          1 December 2015 12: 03 New
          0
          As before, they will play "affectionate heifer"


          This is after the shelling of the Russian territory and the energy blockade of the Crimea ??
          1. strannik1985
            strannik1985 1 December 2015 12: 08 New
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            Yes, ordinary blackmail, because so far, as I understand it, they are not going to radically solve the problem.
    2. gla172
      gla172 1 December 2015 19: 56 New
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      What, in essence, is Krajina? It’s just an artificially created state-house. (And it sounds very loud).
  34. interceptor58
    interceptor58 1 December 2015 11: 48 New
    +1
    Since 1918, Ukrainians have come to this. When openly, when quietly, but in thought there was always one thing - we are the most. The wild Polish-Mongol-Tatar-Turkish-Austro-Hungarian one affected generations and God knows what mixture. Someone must constantly rule this mixture, be it the tsar, Lenin, Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, etc. And when there is no such government, everything falls apart as it is now ...
  35. Manul
    Manul 1 December 2015 12: 15 New
    +1
    Awesome article! I read it in one breath. The author is not that a plus, a low bow. In a stone, these lines should be knocked out. But first, I’ll save it.
  36. JonnyT
    JonnyT 1 December 2015 12: 17 New
    +1
    it was smooth on paper, but forgot about the ravines. If the same personalities remain in power in Ukraine, then the author’s forecast will come true. Ordinary Ukrainians simply need to throw off the occupational yoke of foreigners. You give the people’s power in Ukraine, and then everything will be fine with them. 25 years of indiscretion turned the majority of the population into mass; in the coming 5-10 years miraculous insight and healing will take place
  37. BARKHAN
    BARKHAN 1 December 2015 12: 21 New
    +3
    In general, this is a bad sign for the German Foreign Minister to openly threaten Russia. The last of these figures was hanged by the neck in Nuremberg. Well, Mr. Steinmeier is still ahead ...

    But I liked this phrase from the author ...

    Personally, I have already expressed my opinion on this topic, so that I just repeat ...

    BARKHAN SU October 30, 2015 19:14 | The head of the NBU Gontareva announced the "change" of the Ukrainian economy
    Our naive and gullible neighbors, great Ukrainians, now with bated breath, have turned into one bitter attention ... They are standing on the western border and watching how the Arabs move in a huge crowd across Europe, eating all the nishtyaks along the way ... And probably lament well, how such a simple and brilliant idea did not come to their mind first. They would have rushed from Achressors to the fertile Bavarian lands. And the population of Deutschland would have increased by about 40 million.
  38. Erg
    Erg 1 December 2015 12: 31 New
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    Great article. I reread some sentences and paragraphs twice. Deep in meaning, and literary. Thanks to the author hi
  39. Erg
    Erg 1 December 2015 12: 39 New
    +1
    Vladimirovich said that "expect a surprise in Ukraine in 17". So I think it won't take ten years.
  40. Odysseus
    Odysseus 1 December 2015 13: 53 New
    +1
    A very strange article with a huge number of, to put it mildly, dubious allegations. There are so many of them that it is simply impossible to write about everyone, a whole new article is needed here. Therefore, I will limit myself to the initial statement that Maidan Ukraine can supposedly become an analogue of North Korea.
    North Korea (Juche ideas) - state independence, self-reliance, ideology-a mix of traditional society with some communist ideas, is not included in the world capitalist system (globalism), the principal political, moreover, the ideological opponent of the United States.
    Maidan Ukraine is a complete loss of state independence, reliance on foreign investment and Western assistance, ideology-neoliberalism with its characteristic radical anti-communism, is included in the global cap system on the periphery, the country is actually a US protectorate.
    That is, without going into the assessment of Ukraine or North Korea, but only comparing them, we can state that they are complete opposites. The original thesis of the author is not absolutely true.
    PS It’s completely wrong, and even more harmful, the author’s idea that de-Ukraine is left to its own devices and that no one needs and is no longer dangerous. In fact, Maidan Ukraine is a sword of Damocles suspended by the West over Russia and, as such, will fuel and create problems for Russia until Maidan Ukraine is eliminated.
    1. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 14: 55 New
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      Therefore, I will confine myself to the initial statement that Maidan Ukraine may supposedly become an analogue of North Korea.


      Task: to feed 40 millions in the complete absence of economic resources.
      At the same time retain power in the country

      Answer?

      And yes - I did not talk about analog.
      Juche idea ... something like

      GDR and Socialist Vietnam were very different
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 1 December 2015 17: 22 New
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        Quote: Olezhek
        And yes - I did not talk about analog.
        Juche idea ... something like

        There can be no resemblance where, in fact, the complete opposite.
        Quote: Olezhek
        GDR and Socialist Vietnam were very different

        Really different, 100% were not the same social countries. But ideological, economic, political

        the base was common. There is nothing of the kind in Ukraine’s Maidan and the DPRK. Then it’s more logical to talk about the similarity with any country 3 of the capital of South Africa or Africa after the military coup, but not with the DPRK.
        Quote: Olezhek
        Task: to feed 40 millions in the complete absence of economic resources.
        At the same time, retain power in the country. Answer?

        The answer is elementary - not to feed. The task of the Ukrainian natives is to die by annoying "mos ... pits." The function of minimum feeding is prescribed to Europe and Russia, the owner (USA) gives a minimum of money only for the war. At the same time, the "evil aggressor" attacked "Nenka" and all her troubles only from him. As a safety option in a year or two, if Russia does not Donbass surrenders, Poroshenko will be routinely replaced (of course, with the help of the "people's Maidan") with an even more frostbitten character, Poroshenko and Yatsenyuk will be blamed for all internal problems (zrada).
        Next circle repeat.
        1. Olezhek
          1 December 2015 18: 56 New
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          There can be no resemblance where, in fact, the complete opposite.
          GDR and Socialist Vietnam were very different
          Really different, 100% were not the same social countries. But ideological, economic, political
          the base was common. There is nothing of the kind in Ukraine’s Maidan and the DPRK. Then it’s more logical to talk about the similarity with any country 3 of the capital of South Africa or Africa after the military coup, but not with the DPRK.


          Ideology, such ideology ... do not get carried away with it - yesterday's commies Ukraine became Banderos

          Again and again: Ukraine is a country with a high population density with large cities, with a complex infrastructure with nuclear power plants ..
          They nizya to Africa ... will not work

          It is warm in Africa and people live in villages or cans ..

          In Ukraine, Africa will not work ... Compared to the African, the Ukrainian still spends unacceptably many resources.

          Mass extinction of ukrograzhdan nobody will allow (inhumane!)
          Therefore, Juche !!
  41. Geser
    Geser 1 December 2015 14: 11 New
    +1
    Comparing Ukraine and North Korea is simply stupid. Whatever you say about the North Koreans and their lives, they deserve respect. If only because, despite the sanctions, they created their nuclear industry, launched a satellite into space. All this they achieved through hard work and self-denial. Ukrainians will never be able to, for them the freebie is primarily important.
    1. Olezhek
      1 December 2015 14: 57 New
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      Colleague - I agree - there will be a second France in Ukraine because Ukrainians are not fish / not slaves
  42. dsu05
    dsu05 1 December 2015 15: 02 New
    +1
    90s in hardcore mode: all the same, but
    tougher and more radical (bandits-disassembly-oligarchs,
    the rest survive as best they can; even closer to the West,
    further from your interests).
  43. Tatarus
    Tatarus 1 December 2015 15: 34 New
    +1
    Good article. Competent analytics. I do not agree with one. You can’t leave this territory BU to enemies. These are our lands and our people in bulk. (It just ruined their housing issue.)
  44. Olegmog
    Olegmog 1 December 2015 20: 10 New
    +1
    Guys, what a trunk of the Great Helmsman!
    Off topic of course .....