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Belgian scientists questioned the veracity of Turkey’s statement on the repeated warning of the Su-24 crew

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Turkey, most likely, provided inaccurate information about the warning of the crew of the downed Su-24, which allegedly invaded its airspace, reports RIA News a message from the astrophysicists of the Catholic University of Leuven in Belgium.




“Based on the available video materials, maps reflecting the incident, and statements by the authorities of Turkey and the Russian Federation, the speed of the downed Su-24 was about 980 kilometers per hour,” wrote Tom Doorslaarere and Giovanni Lapent in a blog on the university website.

“With such a speed, given that the Russian bomber could go deeper into Turkish airspace by about two kilometers, he could cover this distance in a few seconds, but not for 17, as the Turkish side claims,” scientists share their conclusions.

They calculated that the “10 warnings reported by the Turkish authorities should have been made in about seven seconds,” which is “physically unfeasible.”

Scientists have put into doubt the previously appearing information that the Turkish side made 10 warnings in 5 minutes. "During this time, at a speed of 980 kilometers per hour, you can cover a distance of about 80 kilometers," they write.

“How could the Turkish Air Force predict that Russian aircraft would violate the airspace? Military aircraft are very maneuverable and could theoretically be curtailed in the last seconds. So, whether any warnings were actually made to the pilots, at the moment - the subject of unfounded reasoning ", - concluded astrophysics.
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  1. Dezinto
    Dezinto 29 November 2015 12: 22 New
    86
    Yes there were no warnings. They just weren't there!

    Turks screwed up with provocation. They burned. (Everything is just like dill) and now they will keep on rubbling their nonsense .....

    Fatal script failure with unpredictable consequences.

    Also curbs up.



    Well, what can a "strong independent president" do who screwed up? Sure! Try without stopping about your own righteousness and greatness ...

    You do not have to go far for a similar example ...

    1. dr.Bo
      dr.Bo 29 November 2015 12: 25 New
      25
      True, it will always come to the surface!
      Silence is impossible! And remind about MH17!
      Water sharpens a stone !!!
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 29 November 2015 12: 27 New
        +9
        Today, the news - the body of the killed pilot is being transported to Turkey, then it will be handed over to the Russian Federation! Apparently - they made an "offer" from which it is impossible to refuse!
        Regarding the killed pilot - Mikheev - bomu, Handsome! I like its clarity, brevity, lack of touch! - stop otmazyvat, Turkoman, horseradish!
        1. a52333
          a52333 29 November 2015 12: 47 New
          56
          Belgian scientists questioned the veracity of Turkey’s statement on the repeated warning of the Su-24 crew

          our fifth graders, if we had the initial data, would have calculated this information in 10 minutes.
          But still nice for the Belgian scientists. worthy students of English scientists lol
          1. ancient
            ancient 29 November 2015 13: 20 New
            38
            Quote: a52333
            our fifth graders, if we had the initial data, would have calculated this information in 10 minutes.


            Here I absolutely agree with you, +! With such a "level of knowledge", which is given in today's schools ... and not that you can ... count wassat

            The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Forces, Viktor Bondarev, presented OFFICIAL data on means for decrypting RNS and RTR data soldier , so where did the Belgian scientists get the figure of 980 km / h ... I’m not understandable (when flying at altitudes of 5-6 tons at such speeds .. about being in the barrage zone and making a second call .. you can ... forget soldier).



            The speed was 800 km / h (along the thin arrow KUS, that is, true) FPU in is in the range of 230-350 degrees, i.e. the flight is performed .. "uphill" .. this means that the wind is blowing in your forehead (well, the atmosphere is so arranged), so even under ideal conditions the wind .. will be somewhere around 50 km / h, that is. Ground speed (from which everything and navigation and targeting data are counted) will be 750 km / h, i.e. almost 12-13 km / chin ... further I hope it is not difficult to calculate ... how many kilometers the plane will fly in 17 seconds. wink

            Further .... according to our data, the Su-24M did not "go deep" at all for any km deep into the territory of Turkey, but walked at a distance of 1 km from the border with it, but the Turk was just 2 km away and .. "jumped" soldier

            It is clear that all reports of allegedly some kind of warnings by the Turks are absolutely crap, but with the numbers ... you have to be ... careful wink

            There are people who studied under Soviet education and without any .. EGE wassat
            1. Zefr
              Zefr 30 November 2015 19: 54 New
              +1
              Mmmm ... But they themselves, could not count?
              1. Uncle VasyaSayapin
                Uncle VasyaSayapin 1 December 2015 11: 05 New
                +1
                The Belgian scientists from the NATO headquarters in Brussels, having solved the problem for the 5th grade of a comprehensive school, said that the Turks had not solved the problem? And what's next, the Turks will be given 2 billion for academic failure, not 3, or will they be expelled from NATA? The United States is destroying Turkey by creating Kurdistan and, apparently, they do not need Turkey in NATO. They need everything to burn between East and West. And if the Russian Federation also helps them, it will be a holiday for them. There is something for Putin to be nervous about: instead of helping the Russian Federation put out the fire, in a neighboring hut, they shoot at the firemen, forgetting that their owner is already setting fire to their house from the other side. "How many people are greedy for someone else's good." (Pechkin I.I.)
          2. 33 Watcher
            33 Watcher 29 November 2015 13: 53 New
            14
            Well, okay ... People are trying, they put numbers in a row. You see, they questioned ... Well, at least some kind of objectivity from Europe, I thought again the Russians would be to blame for everything ... I was waiting for something like: "The wreckage of the aggressor's plane killed 1000 Turkish children in the fall."
            And then there, they think, they doubt it ...
            1. ancient
              ancient 29 November 2015 14: 23 New
              17
              Quote: Observer 33
              And then there, they think, they doubt it ...


              Just for the former "specialty" .. for the VUS'u .. I have "some relation to the flight crew", and in particular to the Su-24 wink that's why so .. "reacted". soldier

              I really did not like the figure 980 (!!!) No...then it will follow .. well, you see .. what a great speed it was .. we could have jumped in and not noticed, and we said .. and rushed along the "new" ... and the "sociality" is in Europe and the Americas .. " hawala ".
              Read what "stuffing" are coming .... m..yat .... even a hangover you can't imagine ... and they "mold and mold", and then it sounds in all "PACE, MACE, OBES and UN" Oh" wassat with all the ensuing .. "consequences" recourse
              So what about .. "the wreckage and the killed Turkish children" is not far from the truth soldier
              Regards, +! drinks
              1. 33 Watcher
                33 Watcher 29 November 2015 20: 05 New
                0
                Well ... The truth is somewhere nearby ... laughing

                Regards, +! drinks
          3. figwam
            figwam 29 November 2015 14: 39 New
            +4
            our fifth graders, if we had the initial data, would have calculated this information in 10 minutes.

            Well then, this is what happens if the SU-24M had a speed of 980 km / h, divide this speed by 60, then we get a speed of 16.3 km / min, divide by another 60, we get a speed of 272 m / s, respectively, divide the distance of 2000 m by a speed in sec , we get 2000/272 = 7.35 s. As a result, the SU-24M at a speed of 980 km / h will cover a distance of 2 km, in about 7 seconds.
          4. sssla
            sssla 29 November 2015 20: 07 New
            +6
            Quote: a52333
            our fifth graders, if we had the initial data, would have calculated this information in 10 minutes.
            But still nice for the Belgian scientists. worthy students of English scientists

            And you didn’t wonder why we have a person whom we explain 100 times what is needed and how to understand it starts with the nth time they call TURK ??
          5. Sterlya
            Sterlya 29 November 2015 22: 34 New
            +1
            Quote: a52333
            Belgian scientists questioned the veracity of Turkey’s statement on the repeated warning of the Su-24 crew

            our fifth graders, if we had the initial data, would have calculated this information in 10 minutes.
            But still nice for the Belgian scientists. worthy students of English scientists lol

            if they are scientists. I don’t know who I am repeat
          6. avdkrd
            avdkrd 30 November 2015 01: 32 New
            +3
            all
            Quote: a52333
            Belgian scientists questioned the veracity of Turkey’s statement on the repeated warning of the Su-24 crew

            our fifth graders, if we had the initial data, would have calculated this information in 10 minutes.
            But still nice for the Belgian scientists. worthy students of English scientists lol

            all these calculations are good, but there is also the Turkish prime minister, who said himself that he had personally authorized the downing of the aircraft. Let the Belgian scientists add to their sophisticated differential calculations more time for the pilot’s report to the flight center, the report of the center in Ankara (taking into account that communication with the prime minister is at least through an assistant), and chain feedback. Erdogan, in the light of the prime minister’s statement, just looks like a deer whom he framed, having clearly calculated his reaction, knowing his business interests with ISIS. Erdogan is an ideal "scapegoat" - he is anointed with ISIS to the full, according to his beliefs, a radical, the style of government is really authoritarian. The figure is inconvenient for amers, has its own vision for Turkey. If you take into account how differently the Turks commented on the incident, with the explicit planning of the action in the military plan, I have big doubts that it was the Turks who were planning. This does not absolve them of guilt, but perhaps this circumstance will force them to lay out ALL information about customers who traditionally threw performers.
        2. Erg
          Erg 29 November 2015 22: 24 New
          +2
          I am cringed by a similar question, but I’ll ask you how the body of our hero got to the Turks?
          1. Anatole
            Anatole 30 November 2015 00: 13 New
            0
            This territory is completely controlled by Turkish militants, and they finished off the pilot.
        3. garik191
          garik191 30 November 2015 20: 21 New
          +2
          Probably the heads of the Turks were told that either the Hero of Russia or himself would be buried in Lipetsk ... IMHO ..
        4. garik191
          garik191 30 November 2015 20: 21 New
          +1
          Probably the heads of the Turks were told that either the Hero of Russia or himself would be buried in Lipetsk ... IMHO ..
      2. win
        win 29 November 2015 12: 55 New
        10
        True, it will always come to the surface!
        Silence is impossible!


        Yes! Silence is impossible!

        But if we talk about it superliving language of diplomacy equivocal, reticence, like: "We know who is behind this, we will not call them by name ..."

        We know who is behind this!

        And it is necessary to say everywhere and loudly: "This is USA, USA, SSSSHSHAAA!!! "
        1. ancient
          ancient 29 November 2015 14: 24 New
          10
          Quote: Siegen
          And it is necessary to say everywhere and loudly: "This is the USA, USA, SSSSSSSHAAA !!!"


          Uhhh I agree with you, +! drinks
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 29 November 2015 17: 22 New
            +4
            Quote: ancient
            Quote: Siegen
            And it is necessary to say everywhere and loudly: "This is the USA, USA, SSSSSSSHAAA !!!"


            Uhhh I agree with you, +! drinks

            Greetings Friend drinks
            Guys, why are we forgetting about England? No. . Or do you naively believe that she has nothing to do with it? You know, Sasha, that she plays "the first violin".
      3. Turkir
        Turkir 29 November 2015 14: 13 New
        16
        And yet - in 17 seconds "journalists" appeared, who filmed it all on a video camera.
        Turkish miracles.
        The provocation was prepared by teachers from the United States - students idiot.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 29 November 2015 17: 28 New
          +2
          Quote: Turkir
          The provocation was prepared by teachers from the United States - students idiot.

          The results of the USE have affected. We will continue to introduce the same education at our place, and we will not go far from them. hi
          1. AlexeyL
            AlexeyL 30 November 2015 13: 47 New
            0
            The head of the Ministry of Education and Science proposed to replace part of classes in universities with online courses
            https://news.mail.ru/society/24125494/?frommail=1
            And not only average but also upper!
      4. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 29 November 2015 15: 43 New
        +1
        Scientists have questioned the previously appearing information that the Turkish side made 100 warnings in 5 minutes.
        to read is no longer possible .. mental hospital continuous ...
      5. Tor5
        Tor5 29 November 2015 21: 46 New
        0
        Everyone understands everything, but ... Erdogan is "his son of a bitch."
    2. Enot-poloskun
      Enot-poloskun 29 November 2015 12: 26 New
      20
      Belgian scientists? But in Brussels, NATO headquarters ...
      Do Europeans drain the Turks?

      And about the warnings ... There were none!

      And Russia gave a tough answer to the betrayal of Turkey. No need to regret the Turks!
      And you do not need to consider how much money Russia will lose on sanctions ...
      1. kil 31
        kil 31 29 November 2015 12: 36 New
        +3
        Quote: Enot-poloskun
        Belgian scientists? But in Brussels, NATO headquarters ...
        Do Europeans drain the Turks?

        And about the warnings ... There were none!

        And Russia gave a tough answer to the betrayal of Turkey. No need to regret the Turks!
        And you do not need to consider how much money Russia will lose on sanctions ...
        There is also the European Commission and the European Parliament. Now, if parliament says this, then let the Turks forget about the EU
        1. cniza
          cniza 29 November 2015 12: 41 New
          +5
          ... [/ quote] There is also the European Commission and the European Parliament. Now, if parliament says this, then let the Turks forget about the EU [/ quote]


          It looks like they are breaking through public opinion and can say.
    3. kaprizV
      kaprizV 29 November 2015 12: 34 New
      +7
      And I would not advise playing with RUSSIA !!!!!
    4. quote
      quote 29 November 2015 12: 35 New
      +1
      Belgian scientists.
      First of all, you doubted the professionalism of Russian (with a capital letter) flight crews! Well, you can't be half-witted for 30 years! Well, there was a "chill" (Gorbach, bastard, Yeltsin "smerd"). You are the "Slavic people" from accounts) (damn it, and so and so it was not written correctly) hurried to "write off" (the Slavs relaxed?, no preparing!)! According to Lavrov, DB !!!
      And mop your "404" in the ass, to stimulate the brain. I am tolerant, I do not mind that YOU "hollow !.
    5. Altona
      Altona 29 November 2015 12: 36 New
      15
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Yes there were no warnings. They just weren't there!

      ----------------------
      At open frequencies, everyone would hear these warnings and they would be recorded by means of objective control (at least with the good old reel-to-reel tape recorder Mayak-205) ... Moreover, this recording would be kept by our control center and the F-16 airfield ... to warn a single crew without its dispatchers on the ground ... And from the rostrum the layman can say anything, he does not know the interaction of aircraft with a ground control ...
      1. zennon
        zennon 29 November 2015 20: 53 New
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        At open frequencies, everyone would hear these warnings and they would be recorded by means of objective control

        On the record that the Tureks presented the accompanying noises do not correspond to real noise. Output-recording bullshit mounted on the knee.
    6. Finches
      Finches 29 November 2015 12: 41 New
      +4
      I think that with such mini-signals NATO countries make it clear that Erdogan acted solely on his own initiative and no one will harness for him! And through diplomatic channels they ask the GDP not to spread rot on Turkey by military methods. Even, perhaps, they are ready to close their eyes to the Crimea and the Donbass, if only there would be no Russian-Turkish armed conflict with all the ensuing consequences!

      PS Gunpowder drinks without biting ...

      1. Altona
        Altona 29 November 2015 12: 47 New
        +1
        Quote: Finches
        And through diplomatic channels they ask the GDP not to spread rot on Turkey by military methods.

        --------------
        Yes, we can not fuck at Turkey, there are nuclear weapons stored at 5 airfields ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 November 2015 13: 15 New
          22
          Yes, it’s not necessary to hammer, but you need to create such tension around Turkey, military, diplomatic, economic, cultural ... That Erdogan would cry in Obama’s shirt-front, complaining, as in our joke about the hunter:

          "I see a bear den in the thicket. I approached cautiously. I prepared the gun. I poked the gun inside - it seemed like there was no one. I sat down to have a better look. Suddenly someone put their paws on my shoulders! ... that this is Sharik, but I can’t stop wed… any more! "
        2. pvv113
          pvv113 29 November 2015 17: 21 New
          +2
          We cannot, but others can. North Korea supports Russia in the fight against ISIS, and if the Turks escalate the situation, it will give them a nuclear strike.
          The North Korean leader threatened that Turkey would be destroyed by Pyongyang if Ankara took action against Russia.
          Kim Jong-un warned that if Turkey makes a move against Russia or supports ISIS in Syria and Iraq, he will order a nuclear strike against Turkey.
          The North Korean leader also promised to wipe Turkey off the map if Ankara takes part in the Syrian war, continues to cooperate with the United States and will help ISIS.
          These threats clearly show that North Korea is firmly on the side of Russia in the war against ISIS.

          http://vseneobichnoe.livejournal.com/4117528.html?utm_campaign=transit&utm_sourc
          e = mirtesen & utm_medium = news & from = mirtesen
      2. NEXUS
        NEXUS 29 November 2015 12: 58 New
        +7
        Quote: Finches
        I think that with such mini-signals NATO countries make it clear that Erdogan acted solely on his own initiative and no one will harness for him!

        In public, Washington and Europe will certainly show that they do not support Erdogan ... but what kind of agreements they really have, this is a very big question, since even a blind man understands that the order to intercept our bomber was not from Ankara, but from Washington.
        But if further on in the public media and on the Internet, Western scientists and specialists will lead the European inhabitants to the idea that the F-16 shot down the SU-24 "illegally", violating all agreements and rules, then the Turks "having lost face" will become outcasts and accomplices of terrorism for the common European and not only the European.
        1. Finches
          Finches 29 November 2015 13: 20 New
          +1
          In Europe, everyone knows that Erdogan is a bandit from the highway! And you also need to consider that Israel is the first US ally, not Turkey! USA Israel will not substitute for Erdogan! And Erdogan has just not very good relations with the Jews. Europe now needs the Turks in only one issue - to stop the flow of migrants and this is the only thing that the Turkish leader can offer, but on the other more often weights help Russia to destroy the Islamic State! Europe is hesitating, the United States is also in disarray ... So we'll see !
          We need to bend our line and not look back at either Europe or the United States - to challenge Turkey to account for this atrocity!
          1. 34 region
            34 region 29 November 2015 15: 19 New
            +3
            Stop migrants in Turkey? Is it like they will feed them there? Will migrants eat and sleep only? I am afraid that with the accumulation of critical mass there, it may well get a little gasp in this situation.
    7. GSH-18
      GSH-18 29 November 2015 12: 50 New
      0
      he could cover this distance in a few seconds, but not in 17, as the Turkish side claims ”

      Mathematics is a terrible force. You can’t argue against her logic.
      1. Reserve officer
        Reserve officer 29 November 2015 12: 59 New
        +5
        There is no math. There the science of arithmetic is the four simplest arithmetic operations.
        1. ancient
          ancient 29 November 2015 13: 24 New
          +4
          Quote: Reserve officer
          There the science of arithmetic is the four simplest arithmetic operations.


          But the Belgians have the same .. EGE ... that in 4, as you write .......... 4 mistakes are made lol
      2. ancient
        ancient 29 November 2015 13: 23 New
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        Mathematics is a terrible force. You can’t argue against her logic.


        Yes, but only if it is not "pulled" by the ears wink
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 29 November 2015 15: 33 New
          +1
          Quote: ancient
          Mathematics is a terrible force. You can’t argue against her logic.


          Yes, but only if it is not "pulled" by the ears wink

          According to Western media, you can drag anything by ear. And mathematical calculations are not proof for them! wassat
          Logic at the level of patients at the orphanage .. request
    8. Lelek
      Lelek 29 November 2015 12: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: DEZINTO
      Well, what can a "strong independent president" do who screwed up? Sure! TRYndet without stopping about your own righteousness and greatness.


      And the GDP will not agree to the "arrow" with Recep (by the way, Redgape is translated as "red hole" - does it resemble anything?) Until it brings official repentance and pays compensation for the downed plane, the families of the victims and moral costs. yes
      1. Grbear
        Grbear 29 November 2015 13: 35 New
        +1
        Quote: Lelek
        Quote: DEZINTO
        Well, what can a "strong independent president" do who screwed up? Sure! TRYndet without stopping about your own righteousness and greatness.


        And GDP does not agree to "arrow"with Recep (by the way, Redgape translates as" red hole "- does it resemble anything?) until he brings official repentance and pays compensation for the downed plane, the families of the victims and moral costs. yes


        Well, if only the "arrow" about compensation ... And otherwise - only to the level of the banana country, so that there are no thoughts about bloody grandeur... And compensation for the "flow" and under-NPP. negative
        You have to pay for everything. hi
    9. Sharapov
      Sharapov 29 November 2015 13: 19 New
      0
      And Belgian scientists have a reaction that is painfully slow ... Any Russian ignoramus needs 2 minutes to complete these calculations. Maybe it's a joke by analogy with the common nouns "British scientists"? Although, better late than never ...
    10. GSH-18
      GSH-18 29 November 2015 14: 54 New
      0
      What’s interesting to me is that the Su-24 bombed in pairs. The first Su-24 evaded a Turkish missile strike, the second, as you know, no. Why there is no testimony of the first crew ??? They saw everything, and the testimony of the on-board instruments of their aircraft is real revealing evidence!
      Full info with video testimonies of the Abkhaz correspondent group ANNA News: http://lifenews.ru/news/171743
    11. drundel861
      drundel861 29 November 2015 15: 41 New
      +1
      They are like crooks who were caught at the scene of the crime, the first phrase is not me !!! it’s all of them or he, then they remember about 51 tbsp. Constitution of the Russian Federation and until you poke their faces, like a kitten in their emptying, they normally do not understand fool
    12. Sultan Babai
      Sultan Babai 29 November 2015 19: 09 New
      0
      The powder in this dress is just !!!
  2. cniza
    cniza 29 November 2015 12: 22 New
    +2
    What wise scientists.
    “Based on the available video materials, maps reflecting the incident, and statements by the authorities of Turkey and the Russian Federation, the speed of the downed Su-24 was about 980 kilometers per hour,” wrote Tom Doorslaarere and Giovanni Lapent in a blog on the university website.
  3. gas113
    gas113 29 November 2015 12: 23 New
    +4
    Belgian scientists are so Belgian
    1. demo
      demo 29 November 2015 12: 34 New
      16
      We expect such a development of events.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 29 November 2015 12: 59 New
        +3
        Quote: demo
        We expect such a development of events.

        There is even no doubt that the Turkish leadership as well as the Israeli leadership together planned a strike on our plane for a reason Israel armed and equipped Erdogan.
        No wonder after Israel killed 9 Turks on one of the ships of the Freedom Flotilla, he apologized to Turkey and paid her $ 20 million in compensation. Well, then, in 2012, secret contacts between these two regimes began. Apparently at that time Ankara and Tel Aviv agreed how to support the terrorists and destroy Syria, since both Israel and Turkey hated the freedom-loving, independent and extremely loyal to Russia Syria.
        The Israeli delegation, led by the country's deputy finance minister, paid a “secret” visit to Turkey. Israeli officials meet with senior Turkish officials
        http://mk-turkey.ru/politics/2012/08/21/izrailskaya-delegaciya-turk.html
    2. Funnels
      Funnels 29 November 2015 13: 36 New
      +4
      Well, at least they look more adequate than English ones. In general, there are cockroaches in my head, and everyone runs in one direction.
    3. askort154
      askort154 29 November 2015 16: 05 New
      +1
      gas113 .... Belgian scientists are so Belgian

      Real scientists! Not even a week has passed, and they have already produced the result.
      It is difficult to imagine a timeline for solving this problem if it were entrusted to Estonian scientists.
  4. Fregate
    Fregate 29 November 2015 12: 23 New
    +4
    Yes, there is no need to be a scientist to say whether it is true or not.
  5. Funnels
    Funnels 29 November 2015 12: 23 New
    +4
    Well, wow! Belgian scientists have proved the lie of Turkey and the truth of Russia. One question: how will this affect "world public opinion" and attitudes towards Russia?
  6. Elfhybr
    Elfhybr 29 November 2015 12: 24 New
    +6
    Still, the virus of hypocrisy and villainy did not cover the whole of Europe, there were people with antibodies to it)
    1. Chak
      Chak 29 November 2015 12: 58 New
      +3
      I don’t believe in the sincerity of Belgian, British and other Euro-scientists! It's just that through the line of the owners and the EU, an order was given to slightly dunk Erdogan's face into the toilet. The EU makes him a "goat's face" for the fact that he, like Lenin from an armored car, showed the freeloaders in which direction the zhrachka was strong, and even helped with babos and boats to the track. Now Geyropa has a headache and hemorrhoids from the Arab "guests": they don't need to fuck themselves and send them back is not tolerant. The French and various Germans were only glad that Putin and Assad would solve the problem, so this idiot son of a Turkish citizen ruined everything ...
  7. Patriot 1
    Patriot 1 29 November 2015 12: 24 New
    +9
    Yes, they did not doubt it, but in plain text they talk about it on the basis of simple mathematical calculations
    1. venaya
      venaya 29 November 2015 12: 33 New
      +4
      Quote: Patriot 1
      they did not doubt, but in plain text they talk about it on the basis of simple mathematical calculations

      There is no need to even make any calculations and, moreover, to be a mathematician. Recently, politicians have been so fooled that it goes all the way to the rational and comes close to a direct insult to the feelings of even a little bit self-respecting people, especially scientists.
  8. Junior, I
    Junior, I 29 November 2015 12: 24 New
    +5
    Well, at least someone doubted the "truthfulness" of the Turks.
    Nobody wants from NATA to take on the problems created by them
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 29 November 2015 13: 52 New
      0
      Well, at least someone doubted the "truthfulness" of the Turks.
      Nobody wants from NATA to take on the problems created by them

      Well, who wants to, or does not want, but will take. Since such a plan has been developed and clearly implemented, they will not ask anyone there what they do not want. And they understand the word "partners" in the same plane, - just that, just their cancer ...
  9. Lone wolf
    Lone wolf 29 November 2015 12: 25 New
    0
    “How could the Turkish Air Force predict that Russian aircraft would violate the airspace? Military aircraft are very maneuverable and could theoretically be curtailed in the last seconds. So, whether any warnings were actually made to the pilots, at the moment - the subject of unfounded reasoning ", - concluded astrophysics.
    The Turks always thought everyone was dumber than themselves ... lying is not good ..... the truth will come out sooner or later ... it's a pity my mother did not inspire this to young Erdogan from childhood ...
  10. nemec55
    nemec55 29 November 2015 12: 26 New
    0
    Does anyone have infa fly our planes at that rate or not ???
    1. padded jacket
      padded jacket 29 November 2015 12: 28 New
      +1
      Yes, what warnings are all completely understandable is the planned operation of Turkey, Israel, the SA, Qatar and other enemies of our country.
      1. padded jacket
        padded jacket 29 November 2015 12: 34 New
        10
        And many people understand very well who is the sponsor of terrorists and bandits in the Middle East who equips and equips fanatic killers who incites them to go against the people of Syria and its legitimate authority.
        Inadvertently, people stood with such posters in front of the Turkish Embassy. Pay attention to what is shown on the black flag of the terrorists.
        1. Awaz
          Awaz 29 November 2015 14: 27 New
          +2
          Well, the story with the downed plane reminds of what the Jews did during the war with Egypt, when our Air Force helped them (Egypt) Until some time, both sides tried not to enter into direct conflict, until ours hit the Israeli planes with warning shots a couple of times. After that, the Jews set the trap and ours took the bait, as a result they lost like three planes and there were casualties among the pilots. After that, the USSR withdrew its troops from Egypt.
          1. padded jacket
            padded jacket 29 November 2015 14: 37 New
            +1
            Quote: AwaZ
            the story of a downed airplane recalls what the Jews did during the war with Egypt

            Well, the "hand" and the copying of Israel's actions in this situation are immediately visible.
    2. igorka357
      igorka357 29 November 2015 12: 48 New
      +2
      Of course .. with what they began to fly more often and that area plowed with the ground .. just now the Turkishas are not even at risk of approaching our VKS .. it's ridiculously true, the whole essence of the Turkish leadership .. hit the bushes ..
  11. Alexey Boukin
    Alexey Boukin 29 November 2015 12: 27 New
    +5
    The scoundrel tries to justify any despicable trick with lies, even if it clearly betrays itself. Erdogan is spinning like that, but everyone, even their "brothers in arms", say that Turkey has committed a crime. Contrary to all generally accepted rules, the Turkish Air Force shot down a Russian plane and is trying to whitewash itself. Turkey has shown once again that it is impossible to cooperate with their government in any areas.
  12. PPD
    PPD 29 November 2015 12: 29 New
    +3
    But scientists pulled themselves up, which is surprising that European.
    And what an amazing conclusion, the Turks are lying !?
    Well, who would have thought? lol
  13. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 29 November 2015 12: 29 New
    +2
    They see, do they doubt ... and we know for sure ... that there were no such warnings ... there are no warnings in provocations ... This is a well-planned action ... I am more than sure ... such options are military and political management considered at the beginning of operations ... BUT a specific loss is always a loss ... you will not get ready for this and you will not get used to it ...
  14. Same lech
    Same lech 29 November 2015 12: 31 New
    +1
    Our navigator said everything.
  15. EvgNik
    EvgNik 29 November 2015 12: 32 New
    0
    Apart from Turkey and the states, no one doubts that there were no warnings. Turkey and the states знают about this, because they say that they were. They can’t lie, not in their interests.
  16. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 29 November 2015 12: 32 New
    +2
    Belgian? And where are the British? The mess.

    In fact, pay less attention to chatter, it is disguise and white noise that hide the true intentions of partners. Learning there does not solve anything, and nothing is the key word.
  17. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 29 November 2015 12: 34 New
    0
    Turks now, even if they crawl on their belly, have no chance of forgiveness. Even if they put Erdogan on a stake in front of "Hagia Sophia".
    They must be willing to attack the Russians to recapture for thirty years, at least.
  18. marna
    marna 29 November 2015 12: 36 New
    +2
    "Inaccurate information" in Belgian translated into Russian is a lie.
    All this has already been said on the 24th.
  19. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 29 November 2015 12: 37 New
    +1
    Already the whole world is laughing at Perdogan! Was it really impossible to at least somehow prepare excuses, since the action itself had been planned for a long time! Or everything went wrong as they thought? Now the Turks resemble the behavior of Poroshenko. Bucks out his eyes and carries bullshit.
  20. moskowit
    moskowit 29 November 2015 12: 43 New
    +1
    Well, if even the Belgian scientists doubted it, oh! And then the world does not quite trust the Russian "bast shoes". Now the "world community" will understand everything and threaten with a finger, maybe even put a Turkish "prankster" in the corner.
  21. BOB044
    BOB044 29 November 2015 12: 46 New
    +2
    All these talks of Turkey about what the SU-24 warned in favor of the wretched and sick. And it turned out that Turkey’s pilot’s body is what they want to transfer to Russia. Is it not those who abused the body of the killed pilot handed it over to the Turkish authorities. As a sign of work done. Turkey will be responsible for this stab in the back, Erdogan will spit blood. am
    1. jovanni
      jovanni 29 November 2015 13: 58 New
      +1
      "Turkey will answer for this stab in the back, Erdogan will spit blood"

      Why's that? Who can you cite as an example from these figures, who, having made a trick of Russia, would spit blood?
  22. krez71
    krez71 29 November 2015 13: 01 New
    +1
    A little warps from such statements ... Erdogan will not spit blood. Here Assad, in case of defeat, is crucified. And the Turks will live hearty and curly.
  23. vitaliy.rnd
    vitaliy.rnd 29 November 2015 13: 01 New
    +1
    Belgian scientists are not British to you .... They can be trusted. smile
  24. Zomanus
    Zomanus 29 November 2015 13: 12 New
    +2
    Europe could recognize that Crimea belongs to Russia.
    But he won’t do it until he receives gas through Ukraine.
    Europe could admit that Turkey has lurked and shot down our plane over Syrian territory.
    But it will not do so as long as Turkey restrains migrants.
    But they will give us carte blanche in retaliatory actions against Turkey.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 29 November 2015 13: 44 New
      +1
      No one will give! We must take it ourselves!
    2. jovanni
      jovanni 29 November 2015 14: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus
      Europe could recognize that Crimea belongs to Russia.
      But he won’t do it until he receives gas through Ukraine.
      Europe could admit that Turkey has lurked and shot down our plane over Syrian territory.
      But it will not do so as long as Turkey restrains migrants.
      But they will give us carte blanche in retaliatory actions against Turkey.


      Yes, Europe will not do anything for us in principle! And we won’t get any carte blanche. Until we themselves put these blanche to them under all their mistakes. Then, maybe, they will see better ...
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  26. Gaersul
    Gaersul 29 November 2015 13: 44 New
    0
    No news is found on RIA (at least immediately), the picture is generally from an African site.
    The legs of the article grow from here:
    http://kuleuvenblogt.be/2015/11/27/russische-straaljager-neergeschoten-door-turk

    ije-wat-vertelt-de-wetenschap-ons /
  27. U-96
    U-96 29 November 2015 13: 56 New
    0
    Belgian scientists doubt.

    strange .. ahead of the British ???
  28. excomandante
    excomandante 29 November 2015 13: 58 New
    +1
    Yeah. "And so on the fourth day, the Sharp Sokol noticed that there was no one wall in the prison." What, in order to say the obvious things, you have to be an astrophysicist ?!
  29. TTX
    TTX 29 November 2015 14: 01 New
    +9
    Probably somehow astrophysicists think so. -The father came to his three sons in the morning and knows them in a sad voice:

    - My children, tonight, some pi .... stole a cow from us.

    The eldest son:

    - time pi ..., means small stature.

    Middle son:

    - since pi ... of small stature, it means he is from Robin.

    Younger son:

    - since pi ... from the Robin, then the matter is clear, Vaska oblique.

    Sons got dressed and went to beat Vaska slanting so that he would return the cow to them. Vaska sued the brothers. At the trial, the judge asks the brothers:

    - why did you decide that Vaska was stolen by a scythe when anyone could do it? How did you determine that it was he?

    The eldest son:

    - so it’s, my father came and said that some pi had stolen a cow .., and if pi ..., then he was small in stature.

    Middle son:

    - time of small stature means he is from Robin.

    Younger son:

    - since pi ... from the Robin, then the matter is clear, Vaska oblique.

    Judge:

    - you have a strange logic.

    The judge asked the assistant to bring a black box to the courtroom. When the box was brought, he turned to the brothers:

    - Tell me, what is in the box?

    The eldest son:

    - the box is square.

    Middle son:

    - it means there is something round.

    Younger son:

    - and since it’s round, it’s a clear stump, an orange.

    The judge, getting an orange from a box, addresses Vaska oblique:

    - Vaska pi ... r return the cow to the brothers ...
  30. MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 29 November 2015 14: 12 New
    0
    So that the Turks do not scream about the accidental downing of a Russian aircraft - this is obvious nonsense! The main thing is that television was at the right time in the right place ... So much for the truth! How to explain this ?!
  31. Elfhybr
    Elfhybr 29 November 2015 14: 37 New
    +1
    How Russia lacks V.V. Mayakovsky and his windows of growth!
    Go ahead with Ukraine, East Eat, in a hurry!
    Your last day is coming USA!
  32. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 29 November 2015 14: 43 New
    0
    Belgian scientists
    About British scientists already? .. Yes, I see. Such statements will not go unnoticed.
    But in fact: be Belgian scholars even popes of Rome - the work has already been done and we must think about this not to happen again. However, those who need it - they not only think, but act.
  33. SIMM
    SIMM 29 November 2015 14: 50 New
    0
    astrophysicists concluded ...

    Well, still, as soon as you deal with SMART people, everything falls into place.
    Politicians - ssy in the eye - all God's dew!)
  34. Killj
    Killj 29 November 2015 15: 05 New
    0
    Yes, 100% there was no warning, perdogan due to provocation decided self-assertive that's all.
  35. chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 29 November 2015 15: 12 New
    +1
    Belgian scientists

    As I understand it, the laurels of the "English uchons" do not allow someone to sleep well.)
    "Not only to everyone ©"
  36. lensoviet2014
    lensoviet2014 29 November 2015 15: 37 New
    0
    Belgian scientists have learned this. Wow. Every hedgehog in Mongolia already understands this ... Belgian astrophysicists, this is serious !!! Here you need to be an astrophysicist, at least ...
  37. anfil
    anfil 29 November 2015 16: 21 New
    0
    Turkey will hand over the body of the Su-29M pilot to Russian diplomats on November 24
    Policy
    November 29, 11: 53 UTC + 3
    At the airport in Ankara, the aircraft will be met by Russian Ambassador Andrei Karlov and representatives of the embassy. The date and time of delivery of the pilot’s body to Russia is being specified
  38. pvv113
    pvv113 29 November 2015 16: 24 New
    +3
    Quote: DEZINTO
    Turks screwed up with provocation. They burned. (Everything is just like dill) and now they will keep on rubbling their nonsense .....

    Turks have a lot in common with dill, they themselves said so
    1. BIGLESHIY
      BIGLESHIY 29 November 2015 18: 24 New
      +3
      Look how Patia affectionately looks at Perdyugan, watches the cradle gently stroking, well, it’s direct Eurogays.
  39. L92140
    L92140 29 November 2015 16: 33 New
    +1
    A military aircraft of the Russian aviation group in Syria flew a mile into Israeli airspace. This was stated by Minister of Defense Moshe Yaalon.

    "There was a small mistake, and the (Russian - editor's note) pilot flew into our (Israel's) airspace one mile," the head of the Israeli defense department said on the air of the Kol Israel (Voice of Israel) radio station.

    According to him, the fighter pilot was immediately warned of the violation, and the pilot adjusted his course.

    "They immediately contacted him, he immediately changed course and returned to Syria," said Ya'alon.



    Source: http://ren.tv/novosti/2015-11-29/izrail-spokoyno-otreagiroval-na-oshibochnyy-zah
    od-istrebitelya-vks-rf © REN.TV
  40. dojjdik
    dojjdik 29 November 2015 16: 36 New
    0
    Jews have already begun to promote the f16 brand like a "stinger" on which they made good money during the "Afghan" period; however, the Syrians have already brought down their "brand" and the Serbs even managed to overwhelm the "stealth"
  41. drundel861
    drundel861 29 November 2015 17: 16 New
    0
    Quote: dojjdik
    Jews have already begun to promote the f16 brand like a "stinger" on which they made good money during the "Afghan" period; however, the Syrians have already brought down their "brand" and the Serbs even managed to overwhelm the "stealth"

    if I’m not mistaken, then two stealth, and with the S-300
    1. L92140
      L92140 29 November 2015 17: 24 New
      0
      You are mistaken
    2. L92140
      L92140 29 November 2015 17: 24 New
      0
      You are mistaken
  42. cap
    cap 29 November 2015 17: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Jovanni
    "Turkey will answer for this stab in the back, Erdogan will spit blood"

    Why's that? Who can you cite as an example from these figures, who, having made a trick of Russia, would spit blood?

    The last (extreme) I remember was Adolf Schilkgruber (among his own people, Hitler, aka "Fuhrer") hi
  43. shura7782
    shura7782 29 November 2015 17: 45 New
    0
    Soon we will witness how the Turkish troops will enter Syria under the guise of fighting ISIS and move the border posts.
  44. Dan Slav
    Dan Slav 29 November 2015 18: 06 New
    0
    Traditionally, we are waiting for British scientists. This will be absolutely accurate data.
    The opinion of these letter-eaters, of course, is important, but you don’t have to mess around!
    In war, as in war!
    Everything must be serious and in control!
    Rush to catch the rockets from F Turkish tomatoes on the need!
    In the circle of "friends" do not bite with your beak!
    Forgot the truth - that’s the result!
  45. Orionvit
    Orionvit 29 November 2015 20: 31 New
    0
    Quote: DEZINTO
    Yes there were no warnings. They just weren't there!

    Turks screwed up with provocation. They burned. (Everything is just like dill) and now they will keep on rubbling their nonsense .....

    Fatal script failure with unpredictable consequences.
    [/ Center]

    Amerikosovskie owners bite their elbows, God sent helpers. In Ukraine, in Turkey, they can’t conduct a provocation normally. And sooner or later, for the dead people, Russia will ask not only the performers, but also the owners.
  46. iv.ionov
    iv.ionov 29 November 2015 21: 25 New
    0
    Quote: DEZINTO
    Yes there were no warnings. They just weren't there!

    Turks screwed up with provocation. They burned. (Everything is just like dill) and now they will keep on rubbling their nonsense .....

    Fatal script failure with unpredictable consequences.

    Also curbs up.



    Well, what can a "strong independent president" do who screwed up? Sure! Try without stopping about your own righteousness and greatness ...

    You do not have to go far for a similar example ...


    Here it is not necessary, our beloved "ALENKA", to rot with this disgusting mug !!! laughing
  47. Temer
    Temer 29 November 2015 21: 47 New
    0
    oppa !! Well, at least not British or Australian scientists. Belgian, it seems, can still be trusted.
  48. babai591
    babai591 29 November 2015 22: 34 New
    0
    Needless to say - "doubted" !?
  49. atamankko
    atamankko 29 November 2015 22: 57 New
    0
    But in the West, not only they think so, but to say the gut is weak.
  50. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 29 November 2015 23: 26 New
    +6
    Surprised and just pleasantly shocked by Israel. In fact, they said in plain text: "Learn the idiots how to behave with partners." For a whole mile, our vlya flew to them, and to him: "Dear! You got the wrong number. Sorry, but you have two floors. above." And do not meet interceptors, nor an evil missile in the OPU, fly away from here calmly. ("..you, this, if anything, come in")
    1. anderles66
      anderles66 1 December 2015 09: 05 New
      +1
      For all my awkward attitude towards Israel, they perfectly and very timely demonstrated in contrast how to act if you want to do business (well, a common business, if there is one :)). or so - if you are not even a friend and ally, but at least not an enemy.