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"Old horse", which plows deeper new. Air defense for the soldier

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"Old horse", which plows deeper new. Air defense for the soldier



Once, in the distant cadet times, I was literally stunned by the work of the then new anti-aircraft gun. Moreover, this installation did not work on airplanes or helicopters, but on the old T-34 building at our training ground. Some kind of hybrid tank and ZSU. At first, we did not pay attention to these four trunks. Caliber such that ... One word - anti-aircraft gun. Though stuffed for that time.

Experts, probably, already understood that today they will speak about the good old "Shilka" and about her sister "Tunguska". It would seem that there may be interesting in these, though good, but long-obsolete installations. We also have "shell" and their ilk. Oh, we are protected by modern air defense of any range.

Frankly, and I thought so. Not yet visited the site of the Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant. Still, it’s good that the Soviet and then Russian engineering thought did not receive an engineer like me. But she could. So, in Ulyanovsk, engineers are real. And they think like engineers. And to youthful impressions are not as sweet memories, but as an incentive to action.

I recall some information about the legendary "Shilka". This 23-mm quad ZSU refers to short-range air defense weapons. It is designed for air defense of combat formations of troops, columns on the march, stationary objects and railway trains from an air enemy attack at altitudes up to 1500 m and distances up to 2500 m. ZSU can be used to destroy mobile ground and surface targets at ranges up to 2000 m, and also targets dropped by parachutes.

Shilka in many ways weapon legendary. As many real wars as it went in its various modifications, probably not a single modern short-range air defense system. Yes, and so many victories no one. The power and simplicity combined into a single whole forced the pilots and aircraft designers to seriously engage in systems to counter this weapon.

It is clear that such systems were created. Enough effective, I must admit. And the pilots have learned new ways to work under the cover of “Shilkami”. And gradually, with the advent of the latest anti-systems, the opinion appeared that the air defense of the "battlefield" was not needed. Why work on an already attacking enemy, if it is possible to prevent an attack? It seems logical.

But logic is not always an assistant in military affairs. Moreover, many battles won just contrary to logic. Approximately the same happened with our "Shilka".



Modern warfare is fought using many flying objects. Starting from rockets and ending with small, one-time reconnaissance drones. Today, we almost see live strikes on the enemy. The drones allow you to see everything. So, the task is to destroy these small but very dangerous enemies. And the destruction of the rapid and effective. It was here that the machine checked over the years of wars and exercises was useful.

And the engineers of the Ulyanovsk plant carried out its modernization. Now "Shilka" has the best tactical and technical characteristics compared with previous versions. A more advanced fire control system has been developed and implemented:

- introduced the equipment for receiving and transmitting data for the exchange of information ZSU with a higher command post;
- the method of processing secondary information was changed from analog to digital;
- the radar station was replaced by a new radar of the same frequency range (all equipment, except for the transmitter, was transferred to the solid-state element base, and the noise protection system and the rangefinder were converted to a digital method of information processing);
- instead of the analog computing instrument, the instrument and the sighting transducer of coordinates, a high-speed digital memory system with high-capacity memory is used, made on a modern mass-produced digital computer;

The built-in simulator mode provides the ability to effectively train radar operators without using aviation. The introduction into the composition of the ZSU “Shilka” a set of equipment for firing anti-aircraft missiles of the “Igla” type allowed to increase the range of destruction of targets up to 5 km.



All this greatly increased the effectiveness of the ZSU in the fight against small targets. The same история happened with another "old woman".

Developed in the 70-ies of the XX century, the ZSU “Tunguska” is intended for detecting, identifying nationality and destroying airplanes, helicopters (including those that are stranded and suddenly appearing), as well as other low-flying targets, including those dropped on parachutes movement, from a standstill and from short stops. ZSU provides destruction of ground and surface targets.



However, the "Tunguska" had a number of shortcomings that did not allow to fully realize its potential. Many years of experience in operating the ZSU 2C6 and 2C6М modifications have shown that they have insufficient noise immunity when firing rocket armament at targets equipped with optical interference. In addition, they are not equipped with automated equipment for receiving and implementing target designation from a higher command post, which reduces the effectiveness of the combat use of the ZSU battery for massive enemy raids.

Ulyanovsk engineers and designers have found ways to improve system performance. Moreover, this was achieved in several directions at once. Thus, a new missile with a pulsed optical responder was used and the missile control equipment was modernized, which made it possible to significantly increase the noise immunity from optical interference and increase the probability of hitting targets operating under cover of such interference. Equipping the missile with a radar non-contact fuse and increasing the operating time of the missile elements made it possible to increase the range of targets hit with a missile from 8000 to 10000 m.

The equipment for automated reception and processing of external target designation, which is interfaced with a battery command center over the radio channel, has been introduced in the ZSU. This made it possible from the command post to automatically distribute targets between the battery's ZSU (it includes six ZSUs), which significantly increases the effectiveness of the combat use of the ZSU with a massive raid of targets. Simultaneously with the ZSU, information about actions on the target is transmitted to the command post.

A gunner’s “unloading” system was introduced that automatically, speedy, two-coordinate target tracking with an optical sight, which greatly simplified the process of semi-automatic tracking while simultaneously increasing the tracking accuracy and reducing the effectiveness of the missile’s combat readiness.

But that's not all. Design thought went much further.

Television and thermal imaging channels with automatic tracking were introduced into the ZSU, which ensures passive target tracking and all-day use of rocket weapons. In a modernized digital computing system, a new calculator is used, which has high speed and large memory capacity, which made it possible to increase the frequency of solving problems and reduce calculation errors. At the same time, the functional capabilities of the CWS were expanded in solving combat and control tasks.

The radar system has been upgraded to ensure the reception and implementation of external target designation, the gunner’s “unloading” system operation, equipment reliability has been improved, and technical and operational characteristics have been improved. The target detection zone has been increased in height to 6000 m (instead of 3500 m), which made it possible to increase the zone of target firing with rocket weapons in height to 6000 m. A number of other systems that improve the tactical, technical and operational characteristics of ZSU have been upgraded.



It is clear that any weapon is intended primarily to perform a certain kind of tasks. A weapon is born, modernized, lives for some time, and then replaced by another. More effective. But this example of modernization shows us that sometimes we reject the tested samples too early for scrap. And the most successful samples can be upgraded many times. And it will only benefit our army.

And I want to finish the article with a simple phrase. Providing combat work on the move and from a place, the ZSU Tungusk and Shilka, by the effectiveness of protecting army units and stationary objects covered by them from low-altitude air attack weapons, are unparalleled in the world today.

And who said there - the old horse does not plow deeply? Not only plowing, but also paving the furrow perfectly. I would like to congratulate the designers, engineers and workers of the Ulyanovsk Mechanical Plant on the victory. It is with a victory. This is the only way to perceive the revival of the old new systems. Systems that have been and remain the best in the world.
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  1. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 30 November 2015 07: 03 New
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    Shilka is a good car. and after modernization, it will still be relevant for a long time.
    1. polkovnik manuch
      polkovnik manuch 30 November 2015 09: 09 New
      11
      Good damn thing, God forbid its designers of longevity, for the good of Russia!
  2. Good cat
    Good cat 30 November 2015 07: 05 New
    13
    Recently there was an article whose author was worried that the shortcomings of the Tunguska were not eliminated, it turned out that the old women were eliminated and modernized.
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 30 November 2015 07: 56 New
      +1
      Rich export potential.
      1. edge
        edge 30 November 2015 12: 07 New
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        Quote: Samaritan
        Rich export potential.

        especially among people with insufficient education or in difficult climatic conditions (say Latin America) ....
      2. pettabyte
        pettabyte 30 November 2015 20: 07 New
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        Recently I saw a video (link unfortunately lost), there something like Tunguska was used in Syria, according to the infantry.
        So there is also some freedom of use.
        1. m262
          m262 30 November 2015 22: 52 New
          +1
          There was a video, they jammed the abreks from Shilka ...
      3. Bugor
        Bugor 1 December 2015 09: 45 New
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        Watch the video on YouTube. In Syria, Shilka is used as support for tanks. They complain that she has practically no protection.
        Here is the export market. And next to Iran, which also can sell a couple of divisions.
        And a little further away is Cyprus ...
    2. max702
      max702 30 November 2015 12: 52 New
      +5
      Isn't it possible to equip all our front-line air defense systems with one missile? From the same "Shell"? Or from "TOP"? Are there such strong technical differences, and what prevents them from being brought to a common "denominator"? Let the rocket be more complicated and more expensive, but due to the mass production and a single technical base (preparation, maintenance) it will become much cheaper and more efficient.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 30 November 2015 21: 48 New
        +2
        Maks702

        And it is desirable that the rocket also works on ground targets.

        Dreams of all commanders. Headache of all engineers.
  3. Fei_Wong
    Fei_Wong 30 November 2015 07: 15 New
    18
    Anti-personnel qualities Shilka in any case will be in demand for a very long time, especially in the mountains.
  4. Monetniy
    Monetniy 30 November 2015 07: 16 New
    +3
    made in good faith, which means forever)
    1. gla172
      gla172 30 November 2015 07: 52 New
      11
      Yes. Then they knew how to do it.
      1. bionik
        bionik 30 November 2015 13: 20 New
        +7
        ZSU-23-4M2, the so-called "Afghan" version, the PKK was excluded from the installation, due to which the ammunition load of shells was increased from 2000 to 3000 pcs., Night vision equipment was introduced for firing at night at ground targets.
  5. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 30 November 2015 08: 14 New
    +7
    As an effective assault, anti-personnel means, the Syrians use not only ZSU-23-4, but also ZSU-57-2.57mm shells successfully penetrate the walls of many city buildings.
    1. gla172
      gla172 30 November 2015 08: 45 New
      0
      This is understandable provided that if you recall the caliber of the Grabinsky anti-tank gun ...
    2. biznaw
      biznaw 30 November 2015 14: 06 New
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      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      As an effective assault, anti-personnel means, the Syrians use not only ZSU-23-4, but also ZSU-57-2.57mm shells successfully penetrate the walls of many city buildings.


      At the very beginning of the events in the Donbass, there were photos of the 57 spark, there were comments that are used in battles.
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 November 2015 15: 24 New
        +1
        Quote: biznaw
        At the very beginning of the events in the Donbass, there were photos of the 57 spark, there were comments that are used in battles.

        Not only photos ....... there is a video. Where the militias demonstrate their abilities in shooting and driving ZSU-57-2
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  6. Bongo
    Bongo 30 November 2015 08: 58 New
    +6
    Quote author:
    Many years of experience in operating the 2С6 and 2С6М ZSU modifications have shown that they have insufficient noise immunity when firing missiles at targets, equipped with optical interference.
    what From this point on, I would like to know in more detail what kind of optical interference and which aircraft are "equipped" with them? And how can they effectively counteract radio command-guided missiles?
    1. mvg
      mvg 30 November 2015 12: 05 New
      +1
      Something from Harry Potter and "headless Nick". Phantoms, Ghosts, Spirits ... never heard of optical interference? I sympathize...
      1. Bongo
        Bongo 30 November 2015 14: 01 New
        +4
        Quote: mvg
        Something from Harry Potter and "headless Nick"

        In this case, the author should have published it on another resource ...
        Quote: mvg
        Sorry...

        But this is already superfluous ...
      2. python2a
        python2a 30 November 2015 17: 28 New
        0
        optical interference: smoke, fog ...
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 30 November 2015 18: 34 New
          +1
          Quote: python2a
          optical interference: fumes, mists ..

          Yeah, from the plane ... wassat
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 30 November 2015 21: 53 New
            0
            Bongo

            There is a concept of "passive interference". True, they are not used as targets for Shilka. Used by long-range bombers.

            A bag with chopped foil is thrown into the air. Gives light to the radar. The operator loses the target.
            1. Bongo
              Bongo 1 December 2015 06: 22 New
              +2
              Quote: gladcu2
              There is a concept of "passive interference".

              True? And I didn’t know, thank you for enlightening me. hi
              Just what does the "bag of foil" have to do with this:
              Many years of experience in operating the 2С6 and 2С6М ZSU modifications have shown that they have insufficient noise immunity when firing rocket weapons at targets equipped with optical interference.
      3. pettabyte
        pettabyte 30 November 2015 20: 11 New
        +1
        What does a children's book about glasses have to do with it?
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 19: 19 New
      +7
      A powerful modulated optical signal - roughly speaking, a spotlight in the eye, and even modulated. Really knocks off the course of the homing head in the optical and IR range, as well as with external guidance via the optical channel. Analogue of the Shtora tank system.
      1. domokl
        domokl 1 December 2015 11: 03 New
        +1
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Analogue of the Shtora tank system

        good Simple and to the point. And the previous commentators are a little in this matter .. soldier
      2. zyablik.olga
        zyablik.olga 3 December 2015 06: 51 New
        +4
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        A powerful modulated optical signal - roughly speaking, a spotlight in the eye, and even modulated. Really knocks off the course of the homing head in the optical and IR range, as well as with external guidance via the optical channel. Analogue of the Shtora tank system.

        Could you please tell me the designation of a similar serial system (aircraft analogue "Curtains") of optical interference installed on an aircraft?
        1. Bongo
          Bongo 3 December 2015 08: 31 New
          +1
          Quote: zyablik.olga
          Please tell me the designation of a similar serial system (aviation analogue "Curtains")

          This is a fantasy - there are no such serial aviation systems of "optical jamming".
    3. KVIRTU
      KVIRTU 24 January 2016 15: 59 New
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      For example: Optoelectronic suppression station L370-5, the principle of operation of which is based on early detection of a missile launch, its accompaniment and suppression of the guidance channel using a narrowly directed stream of modulated IR radiation. The use of several emitters located on an aircraft, a digital control system and operational reprogramming of operating modes significantly increases the likelihood of countering the threat of a missile attack.
      It is mounted on helicopters, attack aircraft.
      With "Needles" on "Shilka" everyone understands - there is a thermal seeker.
      And at "Tunguska":
      "When firing missiles, the target is tracked in angular coordinates with the help of an optical sight. After launching the missile, it fell into the field of view of the optical direction finder of the missile coordinate detection equipment. By the light signal from the missile tracer, the equipment generated the angular coordinates of the missile relative to the line of sight of the target, which were fed to the computer. system. It generated missile control commands to the encoder, where they were encoded into impulse messages and transmitted to the missile through the transmitter of the tracking station. "
  7. polkovnik manuch
    polkovnik manuch 30 November 2015 09: 11 New
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    It will go with us both for export, the old horse - it will not spoil the furrow!
    1. Bongo
      Bongo 30 November 2015 09: 16 New
      +3
      Quote: polkovnik manuch
      It will go with us both for export, the old horse - it will not spoil the furrow!

      That is unlikely. No. Our "Shilki" remaining in the army have practically exhausted their resource, and the element base of the electronic blocks is hopelessly outdated. Most likely, it is possible to repair and modernize combat vehicles available to foreign customers.
    2. Lekov L
      Lekov L 30 November 2015 10: 04 New
      +4
      That's more for export, Bongo rights, and one more important thing: the developers have developed something, and the customer will order? I'm talking about the main thing - RA?
      Not in spite of the army and developers. Just in the Shilok troops, there is no read. Tunguska - Yes! Actual and very!
      Thanks guys!
      Respectfully..
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 30 November 2015 16: 53 New
        0
        Quote: Lekov L
        Not in defiance of the army and the developers. Just in the army Shilok and then read no.

        They are not on ETVD. And in VVO "Shilki" they still run.
        Almost 3,5 thousand rounds per minute. To feel what the “wall of fire” is, just see the self-propelled anti-aircraft mount “Shilka” in action. The best estimates of the air defense forces are found out at the Pushkin training ground, which of them is the most accurate in the Eastern Military District.

        (c) News of Primorye. 18.04.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX
  8. Moore
    Moore 30 November 2015 10: 06 New
    0
    There was nothing left: to convince the Ministry of Defense in military trials and procurement.
    I believe that the Ulyanovsk citizens also took into account possible objections from customers related to the need to do something with the chassis - just replacing the engine, IMHO, can’t do there.
  9. aspid163
    aspid163 30 November 2015 10: 10 New
    +1
    shilochke would help PZRK and the base would be from t 72 tady would be a cool machine
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 30 November 2015 22: 01 New
      0
      Aspid163

      Why does she need a base from the t-72. This weapon is auxiliary.

      Excessive protection will not cause a desire to use the technique tactically for other purposes. That will save both the equipment and the crew.
  10. kvs207
    kvs207 30 November 2015 10: 39 New
    +3
    Quote: aspid163
    shilochke would help PZRK and the base would be from t 72 tady would be a cool machine

    Then it will no longer be "Shilka" repeat
    A friend served on the Shilka in Afghanistan. He loves this car very much.
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    2. creak
      creak 30 November 2015 11: 32 New
      +1
      Quote: kvs207
      A friend served on the Shilka in Afghanistan. He loves this car very much.


      I understand him, I myself had occasion to see her in business, not at the training ground, but in work on real goals - the results are impressive - you won’t be envious of anyone who fell under the hand ....
  11. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 30 November 2015 11: 27 New
    0
    And the most successful designs can be upgraded many times. And it will only be to the benefit of our army.

    And cheaper than creating from scratch.
  12. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 30 November 2015 11: 30 New
    +5
    Shoot down UAVs from Shilka is problematic for the reason
    that modern drones fly high, all reach
    Shilka guns. And they see and take pictures as distinctly as if
    would hang over your head. In addition, they are stealth. And if a scout
    small + stealth, the radar generally finds it difficult to detect it. And the eye, by the way,
    also.
    Therefore, for a small high-altitude UAV, one has to launch (alas!) Hefty SAM
    medium range, which are many times more than him.
    1. Good me
      Good me 30 November 2015 12: 38 New
      +4
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Shoot down UAVs from Shilka is problematic for the reason
      that modern drones fly high, all reach
      Shilka guns.


      Nevertheless, the LDNR militia, contrary to all the laws of physics, shoot down drones from the ZU-23 drones ...

      Well done, thanks, saved the regiment!
      And knocked, knocked down how!
      Well, why laugh, leave. What are you laughing at?
      Learn! Handwriting!
      Against all the laws of physics
      on takeoff!
      Not me, listen.
      Oh, shut up. Chief of staff,
      draw up award documents.
      Not on me.
      This is on Lieutenant Kuzne ...
      How you? Alexandrov shot down.
      - Grasshopper?
      - That's the Grasshopper.
      “Yes, kidding me.”
      - Exactly, he failed.
      - You shot down?
      - Yes sir.
      I could, of course, and more, but you,
      Comrade Commander
      scared with their underwear
      all Germans.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 30 November 2015 12: 59 New
        +3
        "drones shoot down dill from ZU-23" ///

        I wrote "modern drones" ...
        Those who need to go down to take pictures
        to the height of the shot ZU-23, modern can not be called.
    2. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 30 November 2015 15: 48 New
      +1
      Well, anything can happen ... In the Donbass, a lot of drones of different concepts are used at low altitudes, due to the "physical" capabilities of engines or video equipment. Yes, and small UAVs of the company, battalion level are taken into service with armies, not very high-altitude ones. As for the capabilities of the MZA ammunition, then it's like a joke: pregnant, well, it's temporary .... you can equip anti-aircraft guns and shells for them with the appropriate devices: rangefinder, computer, explosion
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 30 November 2015 16: 18 New
        +3
        .... a rangefinder, a computer, a fuse with a timer for a small-caliber projectile. Since the drone does not fly like a fly "sprinkled" with dichlorvos; and often flies for a certain time at a constant altitude and at a constant speed, then small-caliber anti-aircraft guns with projectiles - "timers" can be used effectively and relatively (relatively) inexpensively. There was a time when the French experimented with anti-aircraft MLRS 30-40 barrels and 40 mm caliber. And what if you "slobber" on the "gun carriage" ZU-23-2 20 barrels of 40 mm caliber and. ..hell firework?
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 30 November 2015 16: 40 New
          +3
          Something like this will have to do. But the main problem is detection.
          A correctly made UAV is almost invisible, it does not buzz with a motor
          and many radars do not whip him. Those. need anti-aircraft guns
          a detection complex including a radar, a certain spyglass,
          rangefinders. Then something else can happen.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 30 November 2015 17: 08 New
            +7
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Something like this will have to do. But the main problem is detection.
            A correctly made UAV is almost invisible, it does not buzz with a motor
            and many radars do not whip him. Those. need anti-aircraft guns
            a detection complex including a radar, a certain spyglass,
            rangefinders. Then something else can happen.

            It’s cheaper to push the UAV’s communication channel with the control center. Or flash / burn on-board optics.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 1 December 2015 13: 17 New
              0
              "It is cheaper to press the communication channel of the UAV with the control point" ///

              Such a channel does not always exist. UAV reconnaissance can be launched
              fully autonomous by GPS or on a photo of a map of the area.
              The drummer can be given a task, for example: "I saw a tank - hit it myself." Without
              final confirmation by the operator. This is how UAVs are killers of radar.
              UAVs can land on their own back to their base without
              operator control.
          2. TOR2
            TOR2 30 November 2015 19: 59 New
            +1
            Quote: voyaka uh
            Something like this will have to do. But the main problem is detection.

            Then a laser locator will be needed. In addition, a Shilka salvo should be cheaper than a UAV.
          3. Beaver
            Beaver 3 December 2015 21: 14 New
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Correctly made UAV is almost invisible
            No.
            That is, almost no one has seen a "properly made UAV"?
            lol
            We cannot show you "nano", because "nano" is very small! " laughing
  13. Shilochnik
    Shilochnik 30 November 2015 11: 48 New
    +7
    With all due respect to the audience, there are a few thoughts. Shilka’s modifications are primarily aimed at the market of those countries in which they are armed, and which are interested in increasing the fire weapons of their anti-aircraft defense for little money. This version works, because one of my fellow soldiers was recently invited to Ulyanovsk to create a simulator for this complex, although the colonel has been retired for a dozen years. There are not so many new staff .....
    According to Tunguska, clearly voiced modifications significantly increase its effectiveness. When I was the platoon commander of these machines, it was very difficult to get an old missile at the target even on the simulator. If my memory serves me right, its developer in general was a design bureau ground for ATGM!
    They talked about the system for receiving and implementing target designation from BKP in the early 90s .... Finally, then! In PU12m, the equipment for receiving the ASPD was, and to transmit by the platoon, only in voice !!!! :)
    And another nuance is still (maybe I'm wrong), but I don’t know of cases of destruction of a military center in combat conditions in the mode of operation with stations (PKK on Shilka, or SOC and SSC on Tunguska) ....
    Even my teachers in the school, blocked the Israeli Air Force F4 in the 70s from Shilka in 5 mode (sight, without turning on the high, and on tracers of bursts of barrels)
    And in the course of recent conflicts from Afghanistan to Grozny (and even now), vehicles are used only as weapons of fire support for infantry (rate of fire, caliber, trunk angle, which is important for the city and mountains).
    Let's see if my favorite cars will be used for their intended purpose in the future ........
  14. mvg
    mvg 30 November 2015 12: 11 New
    +5
    Quote: aspid163
    shilochke would help PZRK and the base would be from t 72 tady would be a cool machine

    Then it will be the Terminator. If for work in the foreground - how to book a tower, if for providing military air defense - then why a highly armored chassis? It is necessary to determine why Shilka is needed ..
    Against APACH - it is useless, against UAV - also not ice, against the infantry in the city - it is very vulnerable itself .. Because any ATGM is a mass grave for the crew .. And the DShK can shoot at 2000 meters.
    I think that the Syrians are rather using this pepelats because of a lack of technology.
    1. Shilochnik
      Shilochnik 30 November 2015 12: 21 New
      +1
      You are right ..... In the 95th, all the Tungusks of the Maykop brigade were knocked out in the early days when entering the city (they walked in front of the columns, worked on the floors ....), then I met them and discharged them from the BC at one of the repair GRAU bases ..... A sad sight ..... And in the spring of the 95th I sent 6 of my Shilok to the guys in Khankala, in full, including spare parts for the PKK. The guys took only spare barrels for machine guns, spare parts for the GM base, and for sight, well, optics, keys ..... The rest was left on the ramp, at the station .... the next year, one of the platoons that took the cars said that out of six, for various reasons, two remained ......
  15. Artyom
    Artyom 30 November 2015 12: 47 New
    +2
    I think that Shilka's time in our army is over, on the face of it, it is fashionable to say "Cognitive dissonance" - (the state of mental discomfort of an individual caused by a clash in his mind of conflicting ideas: ideas, beliefs, values ​​or emotional reactions), That is, the machine was created as a means of air defense, and the realities forced it to be used as an infantry support vehicle during an assault or in a convoy, as in Afghanistan. An ideal option would be - the chassis based on the Armata will provide high protection, and the gun - 57 mm automatic cannon - high power of a land mine, penetrating power and rate of fire, as well as firing range.
    1. Artyom
      Artyom 30 November 2015 12: 48 New
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      and this is the chassis!
      1. Artyom
        Artyom 30 November 2015 12: 49 New
        0
        or this one!
        1. padded jacket
          padded jacket 30 November 2015 13: 21 New
          +2
          Iranian Shilka.
          It is interesting that the Iranians in its modernization went the same way (or ours helped them smile ) by installing to strengthen armament PU MANPADS only of course their own.


    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 30 November 2015 17: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Artyom
      The ideal option would be - the chassis based on Armata will provide high protection, and the gun - 57 mm automatic cannon - high high-explosive power, penetration power and rate of fire, as well as firing range.

      Everything is already stolen before us. (C) smile

      This is called "combat module" Baikal ". And Khalitov, a Pomnitsa, promised that he would be on the T-15. With" Kurganets "there is no clarity yet.
  16. Parsec
    Parsec 30 November 2015 13: 20 New
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    Quote: Shilohilok
    And another nuance is still (maybe I'm wrong), but I don’t know of cases of destruction of a military center in combat conditions in the mode of operation with stations (PKK on Shilka, or SOC and SSC on Tunguska) ....


    Wrong.
  17. podgornovea
    podgornovea 30 November 2015 19: 29 New
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    It would be interesting to know the results of the ZSU on the T-34, and under what conditions it was carried out.
    If you can, please publish!
  18. sanya0974
    sanya0974 30 November 2015 21: 35 New
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    It’s strange, the country could afford 3 types of main tank (T-72, T-64 and T-80), and the Yenisei participated in the ZSU competition with Shilka. Both systems showed themselves well. We chose Shilka, but they would have launched both samples - it would be much more harmonious, the 37-mm caliber is interesting, there is already acceptable OFZ. It's a pity.
  19. egsp
    egsp 30 November 2015 22: 26 New
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    This junk is high time to landfill. We have a lot of such good, especially in the Far East. I’ll see how they will, in which case, cover the troops from the air forces of China, Japan and possibly the United States - it’s ridiculous!
  20. Gost171
    Gost171 1 December 2015 01: 33 New
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    In fact, Shilka was designed to deal with high-speed, low-flying targets. Talk about a stealth UAV that flies at high altitude. a few km. , it seems out of place. There are not bad videos on the Internet, if anyone is interested. Well, but with his direct tasks ... Shilka has no equal today
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  21. geolive
    geolive 1 December 2015 23: 28 New
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    Just such a machine requires competent use. And let the enemies tremble)))
  22. tupolev-95
    tupolev-95 3 December 2015 13: 11 New
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    With the advent of the 57mm. module "Baikal" I am concerned about the question: what will be the effectiveness of its anti-aircraft version? If, for example, put on a chassis (wheeled or tracked) or in a ship version, naturally in the presence of fragmentation ammunition with programmable detonation, a module with a pair of 57mm barrels.? Or in the "Pantsirei" battery to have such machines as in the picture and in addition to them machines with 57mm cannon modules?