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After the C-400 was deployed, the US Air Force didn’t strike in Syria yet

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The planes of the western coalition do not strike the IG in Syria so far, however this is not connected with the deployment of the Russian ZR-S-400 there, reports RIA News the message of the headquarters of the coalition.




“The absence of impacts is not related to the placement of the C-400 system. The unevenness or lack of strikes is related to the way the military operations take place ",
stated in the headquarters.

According to the military, “strikes are not delivered randomly, but are part of an organized campaign, and goals are detected and checked before the attack.”

“In addition, a lot of attention is paid to causing maximum damage to the IG and minimizing possible civilian casualties,” stressed the headquarters.

Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation, having placed C-400, "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on the avoidance of conflicts, and will not target this system against coalition planes."
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  1. L92140
    L92140 28 November 2015 13: 31 New
    -65
    Strange of course, a new technique, on a small patch, not for this it was developed
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 28 November 2015 13: 35 New
      117
      It was developed just to be on any spot where it really is needed. Or is there any doubt that the S-400 is needed in Syria?
      1. Baikonur
        Baikonur 28 November 2015 13: 39 New
        121
        There is no doubt!
        “The lack of strikes is not related to the placement of the S-400 system
        Don’t drive us! We know that you have a toggle switch "du.rachek ON." long jammed! So you are afraid (you are afraid, in your opinion) that we can speak your language (without turning off "Du.rachka"), such as:
        "Sorry, we accidentally messed up your F-16 with Turkish! ONE-SAME!"
        1. Stanislav 1978
          Stanislav 1978 28 November 2015 13: 42 New
          31
          Quote: Baikonur
          There is no doubt!
          “The lack of strikes is not related to the placement of the S-400 system
          Don’t drive us! We know that you have a toggle switch "du.rachek ON." long jammed! So you are afraid (you are afraid, in your opinion) that we can speak your language (without turning off "Du.rachka"), such as:
          "Excuse me, We accidentally messed up your F-16 with Turkish! ONE-SAME"

          I really liked this moment, even without excuse me.
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 28 November 2015 14: 02 New
            +8
            There is nothing better than a coordinated agreement between the military - even temporary ones - for quick and coordinated victory over a common enemy! Moreover, with minimal losses, and preferably in general WITHOUT losses!
            Moreover, the allies of Russia are warned as much as possible!
            So far, the Russian side is doing everything right.
            1. veksha50
              veksha50 28 November 2015 14: 15 New
              28
              Quote: Tatiana
              even temporary - allies for a quick and coordinated victory over a common enemy!


              Russia has no allies there, except Assad and a small part of his followers ... The rest - wherever you go - each pursues his own goals, which by 99% do not coincide with the goals of Russia ...
              1. Temples
                Temples 28 November 2015 14: 53 New
                +8
                There is nothing better than a coordinated agreement between the military - even temporary - allies for a quick and coherent victory over a common enemy!

                The First World War is especially indicative in this case.
                Entente! Allies! The common enemy !!!

                But in the end, the "allies" first ruined the Empire.
                And then they won the "common enemy".

                Better yourself. Without "allies."
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 November 2015 16: 31 New
                  +3
                  veksha50 (1)
                  Russia has no allies there, except Assad and a small part of his followers ... The rest - wherever you go - each pursues his own goals, which by 99% do not coincide with the goals of Russia ...
                  As for the enemies-pseudo-allies, you absolutely absolutely said everything!
                  However, in military affairs, the winner is the one who can outwit his cunning enemy, declaring himself secretly your temporary “ally”. Namely: 1) the commander needs to pretend that he accepts from the deceiver his supposed help or intentions for help, 2) then take advantage of his inaction and act in his own way — and then 3) tell the deceiver: “Well, you and I were at the same time , we are fighting against our common enemy! What can be your claim to me? None! ”
                  At the same time, time from the inaction of the enemy works for you, because a false ally does not enter into open confrontation with you. This is what you need.
                  That’s what the military trick is. After all, Russia still can’t remake the Americans - so let them at least not interfere in the efforts of Russia and the Syrian government.
                  In addition, at the same time, since the losses of the western coalition will be less, then there will be less yelling from them. For especially bragging in their part in the victory over the IG they will have less chance.
                  As I understand it, the actions of the Western coalition, stealthily helping IS.
                  Well, Russia will let the Western coalition show and expose itself, but it will do its right thing in the way it should be done correctly. Therefore, while Russia is doing everything right.
                  1. Maj.
                    Maj. 29 November 2015 08: 10 New
                    +1
                    No, it’s not right. Stripes wanted to drag us into the war - in Ukraine, it hasn’t (yet) come through Syria with Turkey now. Where are we going to direct the pipe with our gas?
                    1. Geosun
                      Geosun 29 November 2015 09: 09 New
                      +1
                      let’s send the pipe with our gas to our villages, villages and summer cottages. And then to connect a summer house partnership to the gas pipeline last year was 2000000.
                2. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 November 2015 16: 31 New
                  0
                  veksha50 (1)
                  Russia has no allies there, except Assad and a small part of his followers ... The rest - wherever you go - each pursues his own goals, which by 99% do not coincide with the goals of Russia ...
                  As for the enemies-pseudo-allies, you absolutely absolutely said everything!
                  However, in military affairs, the winner is the one who can outwit his cunning enemy, declaring himself secretly your temporary “ally”. Namely: 1) the commander needs to pretend that he accepts from the deceiver his supposed help or intentions for help, 2) then take advantage of his inaction and act in his own way — and then 3) tell the deceiver: “Well, you and I were at the same time that we are fighting against our common enemy! What can be your claim to me? None! I did everything right. Is that so? ”There will be nothing to answer to the deceiver.
                  And at the same time, from the inaction of the enemy, it works and worked for you, because a false ally does not enter and has not entered into an open confrontation with you. This is what you need. And on our terms.
                  That’s what the military trick is. After all, Russia still can’t remake the Americans - even if they don’t even interfere in the efforts of Russia and the Syrian government, they only carry out their military sabotage in defeating the Islamic State passively. And on our terms.
                  In addition, at the same time, since the losses of the western coalition will be less, then there will be less yelling from them. For especially bragging about their participation in the victory over the IG they will have less chance.
                  As I understand it, the actions of the Western coalition, stealthily helping IS.
                  Well, Russia will allow the Western coalition to manifest and expose itself, who it really is, but it will do its right thing in the way it should be done right. Therefore, while Russia is doing everything right.
                  1. ser-pov
                    ser-pov 28 November 2015 19: 48 New
                    +3
                    The fact of the matter is that they are waiting, as in the 2-th MV, to connect when we have already cleared Syria from M.R.Azey. And they want to decide whether Assad remains or not ...
                    1. Tatyana
                      Tatyana 28 November 2015 20: 50 New
                      +1
                      ser-pov
                      The fact of the matter is that they are waiting, as in the 2-th MV, to connect when we have already cleared Syria from M.R.Azey. And they want to decide whether Assad remains or not ...

                      There is a proverb “Wanting is not harmful to anyone!”. However, wanting does not mean being able to fulfill your desire! You just need to completely prevent the Americans from joining the military operations in Syria, because anyway they will only continue to pretend that they are at war with the IS.
                      And the placement of C-400 on it - “not to give to the Americans!” - just works. Pseudo-allies sit quietly at their airfields somewhere out there - well, let them sit! But on the holiday, the victory of the Americans can be recognized by status not as participants in the hostilities, but only as guest observers! And all the objections of the Americans to this status and their demands to remove Assad will then look from a diplomatic point of view, as politically untenable and unlawful - without legal force.
                    2. Amurets
                      Amurets 29 November 2015 00: 48 New
                      +1
                      Quote: ser-pov
                      The fact of the matter is that they are waiting, as in the 2-th MV, to connect when we have already cleared Syria from M.R.Azey. And they want to decide whether Assad remains or not ...

                      This is the usual policy of Western countries. The 2nd World War is one example, though very close. How many times have Western countries deprived Russia of victories, even without participating in wars, but at various congresses under peace treaties.
                3. FiremamRescueS
                  FiremamRescueS 28 November 2015 18: 38 New
                  0
                  Someone remembers that Russia has only two allies: the army and navy.
                  1. meriem1
                    meriem1 29 November 2015 05: 32 New
                    0
                    Quote: FiremamRescueS
                    The absence of blows is not related to the placement of the S-400 system. The unevenness or lack of strikes is related to how the fighting takes place, "


                    Alexander-1

                    The absence of blows is not related to the placement of the S-400 system. The unevenness or lack of strikes is related to how the fighting takes place, "

                    Technical characteristics are trying to count. And to drive all sorts of crap, it’s so American. S-400 will be cut together with electronic warfare. Let them go deaf and blind.
                    1. TT62
                      TT62 29 November 2015 08: 44 New
                      0
                      Maybe Alexander III? This is how history is distorted by Mr. Marshal, and we all laugh at Khokhlomi.
                4. gya456
                  gya456 28 November 2015 18: 42 New
                  +1
                  Of course, it’s already got a sore point, but we don’t have allies, alas ... As always, only the army and navy, and of course the VKS wink yes, and of course the nuclear triad - without it we would not have existed for a long time!
              2. cniza
                cniza 28 November 2015 15: 06 New
                +9
                Quote: veksha50
                Quote: Tatiana
                even temporary - allies for a quick and coordinated victory over a common enemy!


                Russia has no allies there, except Assad and a small part of his followers ... The rest - wherever you go - each pursues his own goals, which by 99% do not coincide with the goals of Russia ...


                Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation, having placed C-400, "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on the avoidance of conflicts, and will not target this system against coalition planes."



                That phrase says it all. They will not aim, they will accompany and if you behave correctly there will be no problems, but it is better not to fly.
                1. Tatyana
                  Tatyana 28 November 2015 16: 50 New
                  +1
                  cniza
                  Quote from the article
                  Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation, having placed C-400, "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on the avoidance of conflicts, and will not target this system against coalition planes."
                  That phrase says it all. They will not aim, they will accompany and if you behave correctly there will be no problems, but it is better not to fly.

                  Well said - short, clear and correct!
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                3. family
                  family tree 28 November 2015 17: 55 New
                  +4
                  Quote: cniza
                  They will not aim, they will accompany

                  Yes, as far as I remember, escort is the sight and you hold until the answer comes from the “password”. And then, either “your own” (spots from the request, on the screen that they run to the right from the middle, they suddenly ran to the left), or “the target does not respond to the request” (then only to the right, from the middle), well, with everyone subsequent what
                4. Serhio
                  Serhio 29 November 2015 03: 08 New
                  +6
                  Well, of course! We will not aim. Exclusively relax! laughing
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              4. dmi.pris
                dmi.pris 28 November 2015 17: 12 New
                -5
                In our world, there should be no "allies and partners" at all, partners are good only in bed. Recall Nicholas II and his words about the Russian army and navy (real allies).
                Quote: veksha50
                Quote: Tatiana
                even temporary - allies for a quick and coordinated victory over a common enemy!


                Russia has no allies there, except Assad and a small part of his followers ... The rest - wherever you go - each pursues his own goals, which by 99% do not coincide with the goals of Russia ...
                1. dali
                  dali 29 November 2015 01: 49 New
                  0
                  Quote: dmi.pris
                  In our world, there should be no "allies and partners" at all, partners are good only in bed. Recall Nicholas II and his words about the Russian army and navy (real allies).
                  It is indisputable that the Army, the Navy, and now the VKS are the main hope ... therefore we must carefully treat our defenders, and therefore we must have partners and allies in order to use their army and navy as much as possible ...

                  shl
                  Perhaps this is yours, not yet completely outlived, maximalism says ... or maybe you are working for someone and want everyone to take up arms against Russia ?! Sorry if wrong hi .

                  And Nikolashka profiled Russia ... he spoke about the Army and Navy, but he himself betrayed the Army and Navy ...
              5. Rus2012
                Rus2012 29 November 2015 00: 32 New
                +3
                Quote: veksha50
                Russia has no allies there, except Assad and a small part of his followers ... The rest - wherever you go - each pursues his own goals, which by 99% do not coincide with the goals of Russia ...


                1. But what about the 15 thousandth “corps of guardians of the Islamic revolution” fighting in the general system with our marines?

                2. 14 Iran's missile bases are ready to bring their missiles at the enemy. Which do you think? If they have already begun to receive C300 from us.
                In Iran there are 14 underground missile bases, which are located at a depth of 30 to 500 meters.

                According to Day.Az, citing Trend, the chief adviser to the commander of the troops of the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) of Iran, General Hassan Karimpur, the Iranian news agency İSNA reports on Thursday.

                According to him, these bases are equipped with everything necessary.

                "If any country launches a rocket in the direction of Iran, then these bases will retaliate against all important facilities located on the territory of the attacking country," Kerimpur emphasized.
            2. Maj.
              Maj. 29 November 2015 08: 05 New
              +1
              to forgive murders correctly? It was murder, not death in a fair fight with the enemy. Not a damn thing.
          2. Maj.
            Maj. 29 November 2015 08: 03 New
            0
            I doubt very much the use of these complexes, even if there is a need. There will be only talk thieves voooory. ON WAR, BUT AS ON WAR. And this is rubbish.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 28 November 2015 14: 29 New
          +9
          S-400 large missile. If he gets into f-16, then there will be no ejection from anywhere and no one good
          1. family
            family tree 28 November 2015 19: 46 New
            +2
            Quote: GSH-18
            S-400 large missile. If gets in f-16 then there will be no ejection from anywhere and no one good

            Any, (not MANPADS, and not armored at the Su-24). The chance to fall down when you see what’s coming at you, and there’s a bit of time to bring a catapult, and it’s not a fact that you, and not a carcass stuffed with fragments, will rush into the globe. Powers, go and didn’t understand how he was relieved, twice what
            1. asiat_61
              asiat_61 29 November 2015 06: 24 New
              +1
              He did not catapult, he is old-fashioned, they write that the catapult was mined.
              1. family
                family tree 29 November 2015 08: 57 New
                +1
                Quote: asiat_61
                He did not catapult, he is old-fashioned, they write that the catapult was mined.

                So, I say, two times what that the catapult did not start, and that the fragments did not break request
            2. TT62
              TT62 29 November 2015 08: 47 New
              0
              I want to clarify with you, the weight of the Su-24 armor, how much?
        3. YARUSSIAN39
          YARUSSIAN39 28 November 2015 15: 05 New
          +4
          To say that an unidentified plane was shot down, which violated the airspace of the ATS and posed a threat, then to say that they themselves were to blame.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 28 November 2015 16: 12 New
            0
            Say that they shot down an unidentified plane that violated the airspace of the ATS


            An interesting point is that after that the Turks will do it? Will start a war with Russia? But the moral right to even the score exists. That is, these Russians are so unpredictable ...... not that the Turks.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 28 November 2015 18: 02 New
              +1
              Quote: Asadullah
              An interesting point is that after that the Turks will do it? Will start a war with Russia? But the moral right to even the score exists. That is, these Russians are so unpredictable ...... not that the Turks.

              It seems that the Turks will go on another provocation.
              Perhaps the United States will push them to this to test the seriousness of Russia's intentions and the effectiveness of the deployed system. It’s one thing to lose your plane is another, an “ally” plane, let alone mattresses, great specialists, working with the wrong hands and pushing Erdogan to the next adventure they are worthless.
            2. opus
              opus 28 November 2015 22: 17 New
              +8
              Quote: Asadullah
              An interesting point is that after that the Turks will do it?

              The reaction of Turkey and Erdogan to the Russian S-400 in Syria
              1. proletarian
                proletarian 29 November 2015 14: 23 New
                +1
                Video class, in color.
          2. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 29 November 2015 00: 03 New
            +1
            Quote: RUSSIAN39
            To say that an unidentified plane was shot down, which violated the airspace of the ATS and posed a threat, then say again that they themselves are to blame.
            And the calculations of our C-400 acted according to the instructions and did not have time to coordinate with Moscow - it was busy ...
        4. 73bor
          73bor 28 November 2015 17: 26 New
          0
          These are really the real fruits of unification for NATO-no need to bother with identification!
        5. iliitchitch
          iliitchitch 28 November 2015 23: 10 New
          0
          Quote: Baikonur
          Don’t drive us! We know that you have a toggle switch "du.rachek ON." long jammed! So you are afraid (you are afraid, in your opinion) that we can speak your language (without turning off "Du.rachka"), such as:
          "Sorry, we accidentally messed up your F-16 with Turkish! ONE-SAME!"


          Yes, they are all "they are children" ... America, by the standards of History, is a 10-year-old stalk, a cat. found the gun and waved it, not knowing where the fuse is. And tchurki are our regular customers. About a year ago, a neighbor asked his little son to sit for half an hour; began to play soldiers - so he called the enemies of the Turks. To the question: "Why?" - Then even the neighbor was at a loss to answer ... Genetics.
        6. Asadali
          Asadali 29 November 2015 00: 21 New
          +2
          Again the tourniquet.
          Turkey's reaction to C-400
        7. Felix1
          Felix1 29 November 2015 19: 30 New
          0
          Do you really think that Americans do not fly because of 400?
      2. Appraiser
        Appraiser 28 November 2015 13: 53 New
        0
        This is a worthy response in the spirit of "our answer to Chamberlain" now not only to Erdogan, but also to other "coalition partners" ..... soldier
      3. AVV
        AVV 28 November 2015 13: 55 New
        +6
        So the zone was created that the USA wanted to create, but did not have time, now every flight will have to be coordinated, otherwise no one guarantees anything !!!
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 28 November 2015 14: 31 New
          +2
          May the Americans give us their OWN-ALIEN identification systems, maybe we will distinguish them: by the debris on the earth.
        2. Alexanast
          Alexanast 28 November 2015 18: 42 New
          +8
          And you noticed - and no cries from the mattresses, or from Nat. And so the Amerikosov contenders succumbed. Now, along the way, the language in jo..e, at least for a while.
      4. Tor5
        Tor5 28 November 2015 15: 31 New
        +4
        And yet, I want to believe that the S-400 will be used only in the most extreme case and only - for sure.
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 28 November 2015 19: 12 New
          +6
          It is enough to turn on the radar of the complex (target detection radius of 600 km) and take "allies to escort" (several hundred at once can). Polite like that. wink
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    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 28 November 2015 13: 35 New
      36
      With our air defense system in Syria, now let the coalition inform Russia and Syria where they are flying, what targets they will bomb and what they have forgotten in general in Syria. And then after all, we, too, may not accidentally recognize what is flying there. What if these are terrorists on a hijacked plane?
      1. SRC P-15
        SRC P-15 28 November 2015 13: 41 New
        15
        Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation, having placed C-400, "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on the avoidance of conflicts, and will not target this system against coalition planes."

        We also hoped that Turkey "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on avoiding conflicts." - The result is known to everyone, and now, we offer you to stay in our shoes. stop
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 28 November 2015 14: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        What if these are terrorists on a hijacked plane?

        If terrorists can hijack a Turkish-American plane, then what could prevent them from hijacking a rocket from the Russians?
        Will have to "partners" toggle switch "du.rachek ON." - repair ... or throw it away.laughing
    4. vovanpain
      vovanpain 28 November 2015 13: 43 New
      17
      "strikes are not delivered randomly, but are part of an organized campaign, and targets are detected and verified before the attack."

      Well, before the appearance of the S-400, excavators and bulldozers still flew to bomb, and suddenly the construction equipment disappeared sharply.
      minimize possible casualties among the civilian population, ”the headquarters emphasized.

      When mattresses spared the civilian population in the countries they bombed.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 28 November 2015 14: 34 New
        +1
        Quote: vovanpain
        When mattresses spared the civilian population in the countries they bombed.

        Then when they received an adequate answer. Vietnam taught them a lot.
    5. demo
      demo 28 November 2015 14: 04 New
      0
      You figure out where this system works. To the north almost to Ankara, in the south to Jerusalem, in the west it more than covers Cyprus.
      Well, east - there are no serious centers where the Air Force and RV can be accommodated.
      1. Vita vko
        Vita vko 28 November 2015 14: 39 New
        11
        The fact is that neither the US nor its coalition members condemned Turkey’s aggressive actions against Russia. Therefore, the threat to the Russian aerospace forces remains. Therefore, each aircraft of the United States and the countries of its coalition members approaching the territory of Syria should be considered only as a target and destroyed when entering Syrian airspace.
        The deployment of several Iskander missile divisions next to the S-400 will not be out of place. In case of need to destroy airfields based. And such a need may arise if, after the next “stab in the back" of some sort of F-16, it will be possible to escape from retaliation at extremely low altitudes.
        1. alexng
          alexng 28 November 2015 16: 52 New
          +2
          Quote: Vita VKO
          .., if after another “stab in the back" of some kind of F-16 it is possible to escape from retaliation at extremely low altitudes.


          For c-400, low altitude is not an obstacle. This samul will finish without even a little chance of leaving, and the jackals are well aware of this.
          1. Vita vko
            Vita vko 28 November 2015 21: 54 New
            +1
            Quote: alexneg
            For s-400 low altitude is not an obstacle.

            Unfortunately, no one can cancel the laws of physics. Of course, the S-400 computing system is very likely to determine the guaranteed zone of destruction, but even in this case there are subtleties and specialists in combat crew are obliged to take them into account. Excessive arrogance has always led to disastrous results. By the way, neither the S-300 and the more so the S-400 has never taken part in hostilities.
            1. alexng
              alexng 28 November 2015 23: 24 New
              -1
              No need to argue about the laws of physics without knowing them. It all depends on the frequencies at which the complex operates, or rather, on the frequency spectrum ...
              1. Vita vko
                Vita vko 29 November 2015 00: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: alexneg
                No need to argue about the laws of physics without knowing them. It all depends on the frequencies at which the complex operates, or rather, on the frequency spectrum.

                It's nice to get cons from a person who at least “heard a ringing ...” about frequencies and spectra. I am sure that you are aware that in addition to frequencies, there is also a coefficient for using the radio horizon and the radio shadow area. wink
                1. TT62
                  TT62 29 November 2015 09: 01 New
                  0
                  General, now the marshals are going to make a mess of you. Then the generalistsimus will make the Maderatars banned. They first need to explain what a “globe”, “condom” is, and only then have a conversation on how to pull a “condom” onto a “globe”. And you immediately tell them about the 4,12 square root of the antenna’s height, a stupor can happen in young people. Be careful!
                2. Inok10
                  Inok10 29 November 2015 13: 16 New
                  +3
                  Quote: Vita VKO
                  It's nice to get cons from a person who at least “heard a ringing ...” about frequencies and spectra. I am sure that you are aware that in addition to frequencies, there is also a coefficient for using the radio horizon and the radio shadow area.

                  Quote: TT62
                  General, now the marshals are going to make a mess of you. Then the generalistsimus will make the Maderatars banned. They first need to explain what a “globe”, “condom” is, and only then have a conversation on how to pull a “condom” onto a “globe”.

                  .. first study the theory and pass the test on the subject .. A textbook to you ..
                  "BASIS OF CONSTRUCTION OF RADAR STATIONS
                  RADIO TECHNICAL TROOPS
                  Textbook
                  Under the general editorship of a candidate of technical sciences,
                  Associate Professor Colonel Reserve V.N. TYAPKINA
                  Approved by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
                  as a textbook for students of military departments and cadets
                  Air Force military training centers
                  specialty "Operation and repair of radar systems
                  air defense of the Air Force, 07.04.2011/1/8 ".. study .. and a quote from the very first lines thereof, Chapter XNUMX, p. XNUMX:
                  Thus, a radar system is understood to mean an RTV group deployed on the ground, between the elements of which there are functional connections for collecting, processing and issuing radar data,
                  assigned to assess the air situation and provide combat
                  actions of the Air Force (anti-aircraft missile forces - ZRV and fighter
                  Aviation - IA). In general, a system is a set of elements that are naturally connected
                  connected with each other into a single whole, possessing properties that are absent from the elements that form it.

                  .. I hope the hint is clear enough and transparent? .. hi
                  link: http://vii.sfu-kras.ru/images/libs/Osnovy_postroeniya_radiolokacionnyh_stanciy_r
                  adiotehnicheskih_voysk_SFU.pdf
                  1. TT62
                    TT62 29 November 2015 23: 48 New
                    0
                    I repeat, first study the basics of radar (i.e. physics), and only then the basics of construction. First a globe, then a condom.
                3. alexng
                  alexng 29 November 2015 21: 40 New
                  0
                  Looks like you are an expert in the eye. Young man, do not shake your ignorance. I worked in the defense industry in the production of such systems. About trans-horizon systems .. what-have you heard the thread? And henceforth before you blurt out something absurd it is better to consult with experts.
                  1. Vita vko
                    Vita vko 30 November 2015 12: 47 New
                    0
                    Quote: alexneg
                    I worked in the defense industry in the production of such systems

                    If they worked, then definitely not an engineer. This I judge by your articles and comments.
                    Quote: alexneg
                    give credit on the subject .. The textbook to you ..
                    "BASIS OF CONSTRUCTION OF RADAR STATIONS
                    RADIO TECHNICAL TROOPS
                    Textbook
                    Under the general editorship of a candidate of technical sciences,
                    Associate Professor Colonel Reserve V.N. TYAPKINA

                    I passed my final standings in 2006 at the Zhukov Academy of East Kazakhstan region in Tver when I defended my dissertation with a candidate of technical sciences in the specialty “Arms and military equipment, military complexes and systems”. Prior to that, he graduated with honors from a military school and academy, and there are patents for inventions in the field of radar. So if you respected Tyapkin N.V. need advice on modern research in this area, let him write in a personal.
                    Quote: alexneg
                    About trans-horizon systems .. what-have you heard the thread?

                    I had the honor to defend my dissertation at the Department of FFP, so I know, although I did not have the chance to serve.
                    1. alexng
                      alexng 13 December 2015 10: 22 New
                      0
                      In fact, C-400 is considered a complex (COMPLEX) with an automated control and tracking system. Have you ever wondered why the air defense was renamed to East Kazakhstan? In addition to theory, I myself am a practitioner and develop automated control systems from scratch, that is, hardware-technical complexes of control systems based on PLC. And how did these candidates get the technical sciences (grab the tops and begin to insert sticks into the wheels with their well-readness). Many "candidates ... of good sciences" with regalia had to land on the ground. Faced with the same “red-dimplnikomnikami” during the study-EGO have more than Planet Earth, but nothing more. It’s good that there are no such “theorists” in the defense industry, and those who work in this direction are free from “this simply cannot be” and that’s why now Russia is ahead of the rest in this direction. The most difficult thing was with the “doctors of science”, whom it was practically impossible for them to move from the point of view at something from a different angle, simply “breaking,” but there are also nuggets (you can count them on the fingers). Now I am helping in the promotion of the person who invented the 3-x phase alternator whose current value is almost equal to the amplitude, i.e. at the same cost on the shaft, the output power is more than 40% than the standard one (the Chinese are spinning around it to fetch this “secret”, although the patent is already on hand). There is a valid and not one sample, but there are candidates with doctors who regard it as salt on a wound. After all, what they taught students and cadets is now down the drain. I'm sorry that some were stuck in the last century and are trying to bring that garbage with a new one.
    6. shalim
      shalim 28 November 2015 15: 00 New
      +1
      we also covered a third of Turkey ...
    7. Belarus
      Belarus 28 November 2015 15: 18 New
      +2
      Strange of course, a new technique, on a small patch, not for this it was developed


      Dear, it’s not for me to learn with you what and how to do it, if you put it this way it should be.Anyway, from where do we know where else the S-400s stand ?!
    8. Belarus
      Belarus 28 November 2015 15: 18 New
      0
      Strange of course, a new technique, on a small patch, not for this it was developed


      Dear, it’s not for me to learn with you what and how to do it, if you put it this way it should be.Anyway, from where do we know where else the S-400s stand ?!
      1. KCA
        KCA 28 November 2015 16: 45 New
        +1
        as I understand it, there are detection stations and a command post on the spot, I doubt that for the S-400 it is necessary to connect the control unit and the control cable with a cable, most likely a radio channel, i.e. Launchers can stand anywhere in the radius of a stable secure radio communication, in flat terrain it is many kilometers if VHF or direct quite a lot if the coordinates of the target are given by radio telegraphy at the Far East, although radio telegraph is still for ballistic missiles transmitting a target, not for air defense
    9. Prisoner
      Prisoner 28 November 2015 17: 17 New
      0
      Heels are different! Pig mattresses and their lackeys on the heels of the very thing!
    10. military commissar
      military commissar 28 November 2015 19: 46 New
      0
      To the left of the photo, if you notice, the complex is covered by the "Shell" system. That is, there is cover even at low altitudes.
    11. Kindzadza
      Kindzadza 28 November 2015 21: 45 New
      0
      Naryl: The launch scheme allows: 1) to place the launcher on any suitable "patch", between buildings, in narrow gorges and hollows, tall and dense forests, protected from weapons and enemy detection [15], which does not interfere with command means apply even remotely located launchers, even those equipped with their own on-load tap-changer. 2) a) shoot in any direction, incl. on ballistic targets and low-altitude even a very limited number of launchers and missiles on launchers and attacking from different heights and directions without turning the entire launcher both vertically * and * horizontally * to any desired value (up to * in the opposite * direction), b) without loss of flight time for the pre-launch deployment of missiles [16] towards the target [17], which can from low altitudes or through interference or through separation of the target (for example, launching a number of missiles by an airplane) - appear unexpectedly, and not where they look PU.
    12. Bochik
      Bochik 28 November 2015 23: 48 New
      0
      Quote: L92140
      Strange of course, a new technique, on a small patch, not for this it was developed

      And what is bad, say, Kaliningrad piglet? Or do you deny him the right to place S-400?
    13. crumb
      crumb 29 November 2015 10: 35 New
      0
      It's strange to read your SUCH comment on this site
    14. Vikings
      Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 35 New
      0
      The main thing is not size! And the quality of application and the result.
    15. Vikings
      Vikings 29 November 2015 17: 35 New
      0
      The main thing is not size! And the quality of application and the result.
  2. Mihail177
    Mihail177 28 November 2015 13: 31 New
    17
    Looks like bulldozers or hospitals are over .....
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 28 November 2015 13: 40 New
      +3
      Quote: Michael177
      Looks like bulldozers or hospitals are over .....



      They noted that strikes are not delivered randomly, but are part of an "organized campaign", and targets are detected and checked before the attack.

      Everything is much more trivial - there were simply no supplies of new excavators - there is nothing to bomb.
    2. veksha50
      veksha50 28 November 2015 14: 17 New
      0
      Quote: Michael177
      Looks like bulldozers or hospitals are over .....



      They may accuse Russia of putting a high fence around bulldozers, through which it is now difficult for them to fly over ...
      1. aleksey980
        aleksey980 28 November 2015 23: 24 New
        0
        Quote: veksha50
        They may accuse Russia of putting a high fence around bulldozers, through which it is now difficult for them to fly over ...

        Not. Their copyright lawyers ate the dog, and such a statement is plagiarism, albeit in the 404s.
    3. Oleneboy_
      Oleneboy_ 28 November 2015 14: 36 New
      -3
      GGYy .. hammer wink
    4. air force 32
      air force 32 28 November 2015 18: 00 New
      +1
      It's not just about hospitals and bulldozers. They just have to fly now under the gun, that is, "on the fly." I think psychologically it is much harder. In general, let them smoke ...
  3. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 28 November 2015 13: 32 New
    +5
    "The planes of the Western coalition have not yet hit the IS in Syria, but this is not due to the deployment of the Russian S-400 air defense system there"
    Well, it’s necessary ... but it just seems to me the other way around ... what we have become cautious, butt in a handful and smiling ..
    1. Banshee
      Banshee 28 November 2015 13: 35 New
      15
      Writing when scary is not a shame wink

      Well, who will look for adventures on his tail in the C-400 action zone, and taking into account the fact that in Russian heads there is a history with a bomber jacket?

      Everything is logical.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 28 November 2015 13: 42 New
        0
        Are parcels planned for the fighters of New Russia?
      2. sa-zz
        sa-zz 28 November 2015 13: 43 New
        0
        Everything is logical.

        Go no worse than a steam locomotive.
      3. hydrox
        hydrox 28 November 2015 13: 52 New
        -4
        Quote: Banshee
        Writing when scary is not a shame


        Yeah, if it’s not visible in the diapers.
        And if the premises of all headquarters are poured before the flood, then what is it called?
        Routine maintenance on aircraft? lol
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 28 November 2015 20: 05 New
          0
          Quote: hydrox
          Yeah, if it’s not visible in the diapers.

          Well, finally they remembered about diapers, otherwise all the bulldozers and the bulldozers! Already at heart it became easier ...
      4. Predator
        Predator 28 November 2015 18: 20 New
        +2
        In addition, after Vietnam, American pilots developed a very good habit - the radar irradiation signal caught fire - immediately bailout!
    2. ASG7
      ASG7 28 November 2015 16: 39 New
      +3
      Just someone realizes that we know that the pilot of which country was sitting at the helm of the F-16. And if they didn’t know, then this doesn’t relieve them of responsibility.
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  4. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 28 November 2015 13: 32 New
    +2
    Even the Americans were quiet. And the mustachioed bashbuzuk must have hammered under the bed ... laughing
    1. Shark Lover
      Shark Lover 28 November 2015 16: 28 New
      +2
      plotting something
  5. spech
    spech 28 November 2015 13: 36 New
    +1
    According to the military, “strikes are not delivered randomly, but are part of an organized campaign, and goals are detected and checked before the attack.”

    “In addition, much attention is paid to causing maximum damage to the Islamic State and minimizing possible casualties among the civilian population”

    Is this about the hospital? am
  6. WE ARE MAKING
    WE ARE MAKING 28 November 2015 13: 37 New
    +2
    I’m even scared to think about the S-500 ...
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 47 New
      +2
      I’m even scared to think about the S-500 ...


      ... put on combat duty somewhere near Kaliningrad ...
      what
    2. bannik
      bannik 28 November 2015 16: 48 New
      +3
      Well, in vain - it should be scary for them to think about the S-500!
  7. dr.star75
    dr.star75 28 November 2015 13: 37 New
    +2
    The Russian Federation, having placed the S-400, “will adhere to the previously signed memorandum on avoiding conflicts, and will not aim this system against coalition aircraft.” Well, of course ....
  8. dr.star75
    dr.star75 28 November 2015 13: 37 New
    0
    The Russian Federation, having placed the S-400, “will adhere to the previously signed memorandum on avoiding conflicts, and will not aim this system against coalition aircraft.” Well, of course ....
  9. Altona
    Altona 28 November 2015 13: 39 New
    20
    What a life-giving complex does.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 51 New
      +5
      What a life-giving complex does.


      Even as a "lively creator":
      Maximum radial speed 4,8 km / s, maximum speed 5 km / s ... good
  10. Monos
    Monos 28 November 2015 13: 42 New
    10
    What a powerful factor of stability, it turns out, is a single C-400 battery!
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 28 November 2015 13: 57 New
      +1
      There is no battery, there is a whole regiment from outside of Moscow ...
      1. Monos
        Monos 28 November 2015 14: 11 New
        +3
        Regiment - how much? 2 Division?
        1. Throw
          Throw 28 November 2015 19: 33 New
          0
          Before 6, as on 300.
          1. agent rossii
            agent rossii 29 November 2015 06: 06 New
            0
            somewhere they wrote that 8 p and detection machines
  11. theodore rasp
    theodore rasp 28 November 2015 13: 44 New
    +5
    “Strikes are not delivered randomly, but are part of an organized campaign, and targets are detected and verified before the attack.”

    The stump is clear! It is necessary to warn the terrorists, give time to exit the strike zone, make sure that everyone has left and taken out, otherwise there was a case - excavators forgot. It takes a lot of time. And then you can strike in the desert.
  12. Andrey Draganov
    Andrey Draganov 28 November 2015 13: 48 New
    +3
    Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation, having placed C-400, "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on the avoidance of conflicts, and will not target this system against coalition planes."
    This is the whole spirit of the Western world!))))) We are not afraid, but for starters you don’t shoot)))) Here is URO.D.Y. as the character from Brother 2 said !!!!
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 53 New
      0
      Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation ...


      It would be better if they gave out spare clothes ... socks or diapers, just in case ...
      1. Boris55
        Boris55 28 November 2015 14: 33 New
        -1
        Quote: yuriy55
        It would be better if they gave out spare clothes ... socks or diapers, just in case ...


        Pampers are good, BUT they are not dimensionless, leaks can happen laughing
        1. Bayonet
          Bayonet 28 November 2015 20: 09 New
          0
          Quote: Boris55
          Pampers are good, BUT they are not dimensionless, leaks can happen

          Nice to hear the opinion of a specialist! good
  13. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 13: 50 New
    10
    ] There, after all, the F-22 worked. Probably somewhere in Arabia a link is based. That would be to "irradiate" it.
  14. SAM 5
    SAM 5 28 November 2015 13: 51 New
    +3
    Aircraft of the Western coalition do not strike at IS in Syria

    So the Russians already got them, and here we are. Let the poor fellows rest.
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 28 November 2015 13: 56 New
      +8
      Poor fellows? ... rest? ...
  15. Ajent cho
    Ajent cho 28 November 2015 13: 52 New
    +1
    There were cases when parts of the S75 air defense system were dragged away from us in the 70s (in Egypt, it seems) to further study and develop countermeasures. I do not want to repeat this.
    1. L92140
      L92140 28 November 2015 13: 54 New
      -13
      Well, yes, and what ammunition is there, well, 20 maximum missiles, about nothing, and they won’t have time to reload
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 28 November 2015 14: 56 New
        +2
        Quote: L92140
        Well, yes, and what ammunition is there, well, 20 maximum missiles, about nothing, and they won’t have time to reload

        The ammunition there is sufficient. We always managed to reload the S-75, but here only have time to change the counter and the launcher after the No. volley "does not leave" since the launch is vertical.
        1. opus
          opus 28 November 2015 22: 23 New
          +4
          Quote: Amurets
          , and here only have time to change the counter and the launcher after No. volley "doesn’t leave" since the launch is vertical.

          did the s-75 leave?

          So for reference TPK or not TPK, vertical or inclined, pokh. \ ..
          PU in loading position

          1. Amurets
            Amurets 29 November 2015 00: 58 New
            0
            Quote: opus
            did the s-75 leave?

            Yes! After the 3rd launch, the coordination of SNR and PU was lost from the same launcher. This was not unfounded, but checked at the landfills. But usually it all depended on the ground on which the launcher stood. And I do not need a reloading roller for S-75 launchers, in I've seen enough of it live.
            1. opus
              opus 29 November 2015 19: 30 New
              0
              Quote: Amurets
              Yes! After the 3rd launch, coordination of the SNR and PU was lost from the same launcher. This is not unfounded, but checked at the landfills.

              I think you're confusing.
              1 Why?
              2. Coordination of PU with SNR-75V (P-12 (13,14)) and SRC, PV, RD, etc. not so important





              3. RISKING ZURS IN THE BEAM OF THE CONTROL WHILE SHOOTING into the beam, all the mismatches are taken into account, and the mismatch during the descent and up to set V, which allows you to control the pitch, roll, azimuth, is MUCH more than the mythical shifts of the PU (if you mean it) from your starting position.



              4.No where did NOT meet this ("leave")

              Quote: Amurets
              And I don’t need the S-75 PU reload video. I’ve seen enough of it live.

              Well, then imagine the video (since you "seen enough"), or a synopsis, where
              Quote: Amurets
              Yes!
              (leaving)
              Quote: Amurets
              But usually it all depended on the ground on which the PU stood.

              Well yes. BUT NOT CRITICAL
      2. gjkrjdybr50
        gjkrjdybr50 28 November 2015 19: 23 New
        0
        8 launchers, 4 canisters each. So count.
      3. opus
        opus 28 November 2015 22: 27 New
        +2
        Quote: L92140
        Well, yes, and what ammunition is there, well, 20 maximum missiles, about nothing, and they won’t have time to reload

        1. Do you know what the PSA is?
        look for: A set of technological equipment and vehicles for storage, transshipment and transportation of SAM 81Ts6
        2. You do not worry much.
        our people will arrange 20 downed Turkish (or American) F-16s (F-15s, but they are ready to limit themselves to five F-22s)
        3.Success, tea doesn’t raid Dresden in 1944
    2. Amurets
      Amurets 28 November 2015 14: 46 New
      +2
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      There were cases when parts of the S75 air defense system were dragged away from us in the 70s (in Egypt, it seems) to further study and develop countermeasures. I do not want to repeat this.

      In Egypt, the Israelis captured the S-75 air defense system belonging to Egypt. The configuration of the export air defense systems and the air defense systems of the USSR was very different. The S-75 air defense system is a family of air defense systems of several varieties that differ from each other.
      1. opus
        opus 29 November 2015 19: 50 New
        0
        Quote: Amurets
        . The configuration of the export air defense systems and air defense systems that were in service with the USSR air defense was very different.

        Hardly ever.


        If, according to the test results, a radio range finder RD-75 "Amazon" is introduced, then it was supplied.
        If you counteract the "Shrike" was needed "Doubler" he supplied.

        But there were VERY many modifications, and it was not always possible to upgrade the air defense systems delivered there. And the "operators" did not serve as they should

        Study of the results of military operation of 20DSU missiles in conditions

        Reliability of 20D missiles in Ethiopia, Syria and Libya

        Features of the operation of the S-75 and S-125 air defense during combat operations in Egypt
        The distribution of malfunctions among the systems during the operation of the SAM system by combat calculations is:
        - PA cabin —31%;
        - cab A -20.% .;
        - cabin AA — 32%;
        - power plants and cable economy — 13%;
        - launchers - 4%.


        etc.
    3. Stinger
      Stinger 28 November 2015 15: 40 New
      +5
      Quote: Ajent Cho
      There were cases when parts of the S75 air defense system were dragged away from us in the 70s (in Egypt, it seems) to further study and develop countermeasures.

      Yes, they even gave them a part from the S-300 and could not do a damn thing. We read the "electrostatic power amplifier" and fell away.
  16. DobryAAH
    DobryAAH 28 November 2015 13: 52 New
    +9
    Syria war of the Russian Federation of Russia flies Syria 28.11.15/XNUMX/XNUMX


    The hodgepodge of events in Syria.
  17. zloi_dekabr
    zloi_dekabr 28 November 2015 13: 53 New
    +1
    “The lack of strikes is not related to the placement of the S-400 system. The unevenness or lack of strikes is related to how the fighting takes place, ”the headquarters said.
    “In addition, much attention is paid to inflicting maximum damage to the Islamic State and minimizing possible casualties among the civilian population,” the headquarters emphasized.
    Wash two mutually exclusive statements repeat And so IMHO, after all, a gift may fly under the tail of the 16th, if they suddenly mess up Daesh and the Syrian army. They are afraid in one word.
  18. pts-m
    pts-m 28 November 2015 13: 53 New
    +2
    a hypnotic crisis happened with the Yankees, or they take the S-400 for a boa constrictor or start another adventure. There is no third.
  19. From Samara
    From Samara 28 November 2015 13: 54 New
    0
    It is alarming that, judging by the photo, there is no fortified area, the complex is in an open area ...
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 28 November 2015 15: 19 New
      +2
      You yourself essentially answered your question: in the photo you can see.And not in the photo ??????
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 28 November 2015 17: 54 New
        +1
        The complex is practically unprotected, I don’t see the protective embankments or concrete fences that are usually made nearby ... Indeed, even a random projectile or mine can damage the complex ...
        1. gjkrjdybr50
          gjkrjdybr50 28 November 2015 19: 25 New
          +1
          Do you want the embankments to be poured and caponiers built during the day? Everything will be like we are there for a long time.
          1. From Samara
            From Samara 28 November 2015 20: 26 New
            +1
            God give it! War loves surprises and surprises ...
        2. opus
          opus 29 November 2015 20: 42 New
          0
          Quote: From Samara
          The complex is practically not protected, I do not see protective embankments or concrete fences, which are usually done nearby.

          For air defense systems, starting with the S-300 are rarely used (PU collapse).

          There's no point.


          during combat work, containers with equipment are on the ground (in shelters)


  20. From Samara
    From Samara 28 November 2015 13: 55 New
    +5
    Yes, it’s unlikely that the United States is afraid ... It’s just that apparently intelligence is looking for targets ...
    1. sichevik
      sichevik 28 November 2015 14: 09 New
      +8
      Of course they’re not afraid. They understand very well that Russians are not some kind of Turks. They know very well that the Russians are fighting honestly and will never hit in the back just like that (unlike themselves and their allies). But they also perfectly understand that provoking Russians is also not worth it. The Russians are angry now. And when they are evil, they are unpredictable. They try, without any need, not to fly over Syria.
      1. From Samara
        From Samara 28 November 2015 14: 13 New
        +4
        The training of US pilots has always been excellent ... they don’t fight there, but the Turkish mentality is all on the show, so they are unpredictable ...
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  22. onix757
    onix757 28 November 2015 13: 59 New
    +2
    Aircraft of the Western coalition do not strike at IS in Syria

    In the sense of flying fly, but not bomb?
  23. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 28 November 2015 14: 00 New
    -3
    But how, interestingly, they will determine whether the complex is aimed at them or not? When he scans the entire territory for any one, and they receive radiation signals. So without diapers, you can’t get on a plane. Or will they ask - turn off the radars? And why did we put them then? For furniture? If you want - fly at your own risk and peril, but better - inform flight plans and the composition of the air group in advance, and ask for permission, otherwise the hour is uneven, someone will be distracted from the operators, and your “friend or foe” is such a stranger! And it doesn’t differ from Turkish.
  24. prishelec
    prishelec 28 November 2015 14: 04 New
    +1
    Fear the devil, fear not always the cat oil am Assad will not be allowed to bomb, if Che!
  25. veksha50
    veksha50 28 November 2015 14: 12 New
    +2
    "Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation .... will not aim this system against coalition aircraft""....

    Um ... And Putin, and Lavrov, and Shoigu almost already publicly indicated the organizer and executor of the provocation to destroy our aircraft - this is the United States and Turkey ...

    Naturally, IM has something to think about, and you just need to hope that the Russian S-400 will not land someone who felt unpunished ... And in the conduct of hostilities such an opportunity will appear sooner or later ...
  26. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 November 2015 14: 12 New
    +2
    They don’t do it, because now all their flights will be viewed and tracked and it will not be so easy to hang noodles on the ears where they flew and what they did.
    1. clidon
      clidon 28 November 2015 21: 41 New
      0
      There, from the very beginning, Moscow with the S-300F grazes on board. The complex which scans and tracks is not much less than the S-400 (S-300PM3).
  27. bmv04636
    bmv04636 28 November 2015 14: 12 New
    +2
    and as I understand it, Israel is no longer against the S-400 in Syria
  28. Gunther
    Gunther 28 November 2015 14: 13 New
    0
    the headquarters said: “The absence of strikes is not related to the deployment of the S-400 system.”

    Well, yes, it just so coincided, who would doubt)))
    Let not cowards, cowards, the main thing is to timely report on your flights and get good from the Russian Aerospace Forces.
  29. Coconut Tima
    Coconut Tima 28 November 2015 14: 32 New
    +3
    Aircraft of the Western coalition have not yet struck ISIS in Syria. Waiting for the delivery of diapers
  30. da Vinci
    da Vinci 28 November 2015 14: 40 New
    0
    IMHO One SAM S-400 is extremely small. Need 2-3 more ground-based complex (at least S-300). The cruiser "Moscow" needs to leave, because autonomous swimming time is running out, in addition there you need to have a squadron for 8-10 pennants, including 1-2 submarines. wink
  31. Berthan
    Berthan 28 November 2015 14: 43 New
    +4
    Comfortable, this line of complexes has a design. Horseradish knows: what did they actually bring there? ... The S-400 - as promised, or the S-300 - was considered sufficient ... Or maybe the S-500 is already being tested ...
  32. onix757
    onix757 28 November 2015 14: 44 New
    -2
    20.10.2015
    A memorandum on safety in Syria, signed on Tuesday by the military departments of Russia and the United States, comes into force, confirmed on Tuesday at the Pentagon. The memorandum governs the actions of all aircraft and drones in the airspace of the ATS and is designed to ensure flight safety, said earlier Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov .

    _____________________________
    So they flew, they fly, they will fly and bomb at their discretion. But Putin now has an extra headache how to choose Turkish from all the F-16s, because if anything, the states will immediately make him an aggressor and the reaction will be much more serious. Interestingly enough eggs.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 28 November 2015 15: 10 New
      +2
      Quote: onix757
      So they flew, they fly, they will fly and bomb at their discretion. But Putin now has an extra headache how to choose Turkish from all the F-16s, because if anything, the states will immediately make him an aggressor and the reaction will be much more serious. Interestingly enough eggs.

      You have an idea of ​​how to create an air defense zone? Here I can not explain to you, since the material is very extensive.
  33. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 28 November 2015 14: 45 New
    +2
    Not only in the Turks, the point shrank!
    1. askort154
      askort154 28 November 2015 16: 39 New
      +1
      VNP1958PVN .... Not only the Turks have squeezed a point!

      Representatives of the headquarters also expressed the hope that the Russian Federation, having placed C-400, "will adhere to the previously concluded memorandum on the avoidance of conflicts, and will not target this system against coalition planes."

      We are an "exclusive nation", but we are also "STRICTLY".
  34. Dry_T-50
    Dry_T-50 28 November 2015 14: 47 New
    11
    Heaven suddenly turned into hell for me
    A traitorous blow from around the corner ...
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With special wing geometry.

    When they beat in the back, they know - they will not miss,
    What are the vulnerabilities ...
    And the pain that started somewhere in the fuselage,
    It pierces from the cab to the tail.

    What the hell is going on in this world ?!
    Do not see me through the fire and smoke.
    I'm not Charlie, I'm Su-Xnumx
    And where are the tablets with my name?

    Pique will tighten ... Dizziness
    Shuffles everything into a kaleidoscope.
    I have not been given a chance to escape
    I meet the inevitable directly in the forehead.

    Revenge served cold
    Rockets from air to earth
    To every traitor in the pool
    Yesterday, today, tomorrow and everywhere.

    SWAT helped, guys worked
    And we took the pilot to our
    Forgive us, and Peshkov and Pazynich.
    For you we will avenge soon.

    Earth will embrace to take forever
    My recorder let him cover the darkness.
    I am a plane with the soul of man
    With a special geometry of the wing. (C)
  35. Benya krik
    Benya krik 28 November 2015 14: 49 New
    15
    From now on, the answer to the Teriks and Turks will be short and unambiguous ... Like in the video:
    1. Chatlanen
      Chatlanen 28 November 2015 16: 53 New
      +3
      Afiget !!! what accuracy))
    2. From Samara
      From Samara 28 November 2015 18: 28 New
      +4
      So the pilot sees everything from above, the equipment detects all firing points ...
  36. Neo1982
    Neo1982 28 November 2015 14: 50 New
    +1
    it’s interesting why they weren’t afraid of the S-300, but the S-400 was immediately scared - after all, the S-300 would hit them well?
    apparently this is some kind of informational-psychological effect.
    1. 1rl141
      1rl141 28 November 2015 18: 19 New
      +4
      Quote: Neo1982
      it’s interesting why they weren’t afraid of the S-300, but the S-400 was immediately scared - after all, the S-300 would hit them well?
      apparently this is some kind of informational-psychological effect.



      It's all about the TTX S-300 and S-400.
      The destruction range of the S-400 is 100 km longer. The lower boundary is from 5m, unlike the S-300 - 50m.
      That is, if the S-300 missiles can still be tried to leave, hide, run away, then no one has left the S-400 missile.
      And here do not forget about the psychological factor.
      Remember Vietnam, the Americans were stunned when their first planes began to fall.
      I know one colonel, he fought in Vietnam, received an order for filling up 75 B-2 with one S-52 missile. The third, who walked in the group, dropping bombs anywhere, quickly dumped. Otherwise, he would be overwhelmed.
      Even if one S-400 has a small stock of missiles. Even if 20 pcs. This is the first twenty lost planes.
      Their pilots themselves decide who fall first? Will they play cards?
      On the map, draw a circle with a radius of 400 km from the place of deployment of the S-400. Almost all of Turkey falls into the coverage area.
      This is the psychological effect.
  37. Rurikovich
    Rurikovich 28 November 2015 14: 51 New
    +3
    Well, the last sentence hurt! winked After all, Turks were also considered members of the coalition and were not expected from such "alliance" from them. Or our “partners” will now again begin to divide into “right” allies, on which it is impossible to aim and “wrong” ones. everyone else ?? !! what
    My personal opinion is that we are there at the invitation of the official authorities, the rest are airborne, who believe that their flights without an invitation can be justified whatever you want. Take aim and accompany everyone and stop any suspicious flights in the bud. Enough, we have already trusted ... Let them know what the adventures of some are leading to. The main thing now is security within the territory over which our guys fly. And the rest of the bleating of the "partners" about some rights and their conditions is considered not worthy of attention.
    Personally, my opinion hi
  38. Gunther
    Gunther 28 November 2015 14: 54 New
    +5
    onix757 Quote:
    So they flew, they fly, they will fly and bomb at their discretion.

    Who argues, they will report and fly, report and bomb, otherwise:
    onix757 Quote:
    But Putin now has an extra headache: how to choose Turkish from all f-16s,

    C-400 will cure a headache.
    1. onix757
      onix757 28 November 2015 15: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Gunter
      Who argues, they will report and fly, report and bomb, otherwise:

      Yes, they will not report anything. They did not report before and after all the more.

      Russian Foreign Ministry: “The minister pointed out a gross violation of the Russian-American memorandum on ensuring the flight safety of military aircraft in Syria, in which the United States assumed responsibility for observing the relevant rules by all members of the coalition led by them, including Turkey.”

      Quote: Gunter
      C-400 will cure a headache.


      With 400 does not solve the problem, but rather raises the stakes in the confrontation, which our government is not ready.
  39. vair
    vair 28 November 2015 14: 55 New
    +5
    Quote: AVV
    So the zone was created that the USA wanted to create, but did not have time, now every flight will have to be coordinated, otherwise no one guarantees anything !!!

    I do not pretend to be a strategist, but ours were not casual, so they joked around on the border with Turkey, and without cover. Surely they knew that Erdogan was grinding his teeth and could blow. And so, without yelling from the "partners", they cleared the sky. I don’t know how the Americans are, and the Turks are unlikely to turn up. This is my opinion.
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 28 November 2015 15: 15 New
      +3
      That's just in my opinion, the Turks can slip up. They can say: they say you still have nothing to lose so go ahead. And if such a provocation takes place, it would be nice to land that plane on Syrian territory and the pilot "politely" interrogate for the order of violation.
  40. ZKVR
    ZKVR 28 November 2015 15: 02 New
    -4
    And how many missiles are there in s400. 1-2-3 aircraft or more?
    1. RUS69
      RUS69 28 November 2015 15: 21 New
      0
      Yes, just charge smile
      And so here is infa from Vicki, but I think it’s not very reliable parameters are probably better.
      At most 80 targets fired simultaneously (up to 2012 - 36)
    2. S-cream
      S-cream 28 November 2015 15: 22 New
      +2
      4 pipes on each chassis, 2 launchers, a rocket warehouse on hand. 8 aircraft - this is what will be destroyed if necessary, immediately after receiving a command. 16 seconds between detection and start, if there is no need to receive a command.
    3. Proud.
      Proud. 28 November 2015 15: 48 New
      0
      Quote: ZKVR
      And how many missiles are there in s400. 1-2-3 aircraft or more?

      "... The structure of the Triumph air defense system includes:
      30K6E controls:
      combat control point 55К6Е;
      Radar detection 91H6Е.
      98Ж6Е anti-aircraft missile systems (up to 6 units) consisting of:
      Multifunctional control radar 92Н2Е;
      Launchers 5P85TE2 and / or 5P85SE2 (up to 12 pcs.) ... "
      "... The probability of hitting one missile with predetermined targets without considering operational reliability is
      not less than 0.9 for manned targets, including those made using stealth technology, barrage and anti-aircraft maneuver;
      not less than 0.8 for unmanned targets, including those performing anti-aircraft maneuvers (with a probability of at least 0.7 accompanied by the destruction of their combat load) ... ".
      Count for yourself.
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    5. Rom14
      Rom14 28 November 2015 15: 54 New
      +1
      No matter how much, the main thing is, and if the bandit knows what it is, he might think to climb or not to climb ..
  41. Proud.
    Proud. 28 November 2015 15: 11 New
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    Sorry for the offtopic: "... Russia awarded the Syrian commandos who saved the navigator of the Su-24 ..."
    http://ruposters.ru/news/28-11-2015/rossiya-nagradila-sirijskih
    1. Belarus
      Belarus 28 November 2015 15: 16 New
      +5
      I only support such a step good These wars have something to give such rewards !!!!!
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    3. S-cream
      S-cream 28 November 2015 15: 25 New
      13
      Russia awarded Syrian commandos participating in the rescue of Captain Murakhtin, awarded Russian medals "For the strengthening of the military community."
  42. Belarus
    Belarus 28 November 2015 15: 12 New
    +4
    The delicate situation for the American coalition was very delicate, because now for flights it will be necessary to inform the Russian side about where, by what route, by what forces, for what, and so on. , and what it means to anyone, I think no need to explain.

    It is better not to underestimate the S-400 and test its ability - it will cost the enemy dearly.
    Now they don’t fly planes of the “American coalition”, but it cannot be ruled out that later they will try to test the strength and defense of the air defense itself and the reaction, that is, the actions of the Russian Air Force. RF
  43. tatarin_ru
    tatarin_ru 28 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +5
    Do not overestimate your strength and underestimate the enemy.
    Now they don’t fly why it’s understandable, we need to give time to passions to settle down, and later I think, unfortunately, we will see more than one provocation, we need to think about it and prepare now.
    Amerikosy thinks now they are thinking which of the satellites will fly to provoke the S-400, maybe Israel, maybe someone else.
  44. Rossmk
    Rossmk 28 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +1
    It is expected, but soon they will nevertheless try to somehow find out more about the S-400. This is YueSe, damn them.
  45. S-cream
    S-cream 28 November 2015 15: 20 New
    +1
    The thing is that the Ameronovites now need to develop mechanisms for coordinating aircraft sorties. And I am sure that Russia is no longer in a hurry to offer them ready-made algorithms. And the NATO-American proposals will not be considered urgently.
  46. Victor-M
    Victor-M 28 November 2015 15: 22 New
    0
    After the C-400 was deployed, the US Air Force didn’t strike in Syria yet

    Hospitals and construction equipment have not yet been discovered. laughing
  47. Anisim1977
    Anisim1977 28 November 2015 15: 24 New
    +2
    With regards to the S400 - the missile launcher there is obviously from XNUMX, but the main thing there is not in the missile — but in the radar, which also combines other air defense systems into one. And in Syria and in Syria all the air defense is Soviet or Russian, that is ours.
    Therefore, if the S400 became the head of the entire air defense of Syria - the farther and the company, there is something to be really afraid of.
  48. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 28 November 2015 15: 31 New
    +2
    GIVE A FLIGHTLESS ZONE (ANNOUNCED BY RUSSIA) OVER SYRIA !!!
  49. Gunther
    Gunther 28 November 2015 15: 38 New
    -1
    onix757C Quote: 400 does not solve the problem, but rather raises the stakes in the confrontation on which our power is not ready

    Judging by the streamlined statements of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the murder of our troops by the Turks, this is the case, alas.
  50. Yak28
    Yak28 28 November 2015 15: 39 New
    +2
    Well, given that the US Air Force does not fly over Syria illegally and violates all international rights, they should not fly there in principle