Today is the birthday of the letter "ё"

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And how to live in this world without the letter E? .. Capacious, juicy, powerful ... Yes, it is capable of replacing with itself not only individual words, but also whole sentences! .. This letter is a real galaxy with its star systems and their hot luminaries. And today, 29 November, this amazing letter of the Russian alphabet celebrates its birthday.

If you delve into history the letters "ё", then her birthdays are, in fact, several. The first is the November 29 of 1783, when they first speak of the need to use the new letter in the Russian alphabet. Historians tend to believe that Ekaterina Dashkova (nee Vorontsova) was the first to write the letter ё - one of Catherine Alekseevna’s closest entourage (future Empress Catherine II) entwined with the emperor Peter III and the empress’s ascent to the throne. Stats-dame of the court of Her Imperial Majesty Dashkova stood at the origins of the Russian Academy of Sciences. Historical sources say that it was she who asked the Russian scholars why there is no letter in the Russian language that expresses a characteristic combination of sounds in a word, for example, language.

Today is the birthday of the letter "ё"


It is reported that the Countess brought out with her own hand a version of the new letter of the Russian alphabet, after which she handed the piece to her representative, who named Metropolitan Gavriil of Novgorod and Petersburg, a member of the St. Petersburg Academy of Sciences. After the deliberative procedures, it was decided that it was such a spelling that should be taken for a new Russian letter - the letter “ё”.

However, the birth of a letter in 1783 can be considered purely formal. At least 12 has practically never used the letter in any artistic texts or in official documents. The so-called linguistic conservatism worked, and the letter “ё” was considered by some to look awkward in Russian literature, while others saw it as a whim of a noble person “mocking the language”.

However, by the year 1795, the letter “e” makes its way into documents and literary texts. This year can be considered the second year of birth of the letter of the Russian alphabet. The first official use of this letter (or, as experts say, graphemes) is found in the book by I. I. Dmitriev, “And my doodles,” printed at Ridiger and Claudia’s printing house at Moscow University. In 1797 (according to another version - in 1796), the letter takes its place in the texts collected and published by N. Karamzin. We are talking about "Aonida." In fact, this is the first Russian poetic almanac, which contains poetic works of both Karamzin himself and other literary figures of the era - Derzhavin, Kheraskov, Vasily Pushkin, and others.
An important detail can be considered that in Ridiger and Claudia’s printing houses it was not necessary to create a special form for a new letter. Against the background of the then fascination of Russian nobility with the French language, this was a superfluous matter. The reason is that for prints of French literary works "e" has already been used. For example, talking about the French word "Noel".

Since 1803, the letter “e” has been used in the journal of the Ministry of Public Education. Alexander Sergeevich Pushkin resorted to the use of "e".
It should be noted that in the dictionary of V. Dahl, instead of the characteristic spelling of the letter “e”, a letter with two dots was used.

Surprisingly, the second birthday of this letter did not become the final version of its entry into the alphabet. For example, in the early Soviet sources to find the letter, to put it mildly, is not easy. It came to the point that the letter "e" had to be saved (or revived) already at the legislative level. So, December 24 1942 of the Year appears Order No. 1825 of the People's Commissariat of Education (order of the People’s Commissar of Education of the RSFSR Vladimir Potemkin).

The text of the order of five paragraphs is preserved:

I order:

§ 1
People's Commissars of Enlightenment of the Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, heads of regional, regional, district and city departments of public education, order all subordinate schools to use the letter "e" in Russian spelling in all classes of primary, incomplete secondary and secondary schools.
§ 2
The management of primary and secondary schools (m. Sarycheva) in the 2 weekly period to develop guidelines for schools on the use of the letter "e" in spelling.
§ 3
Publishers Narkompros - Uchpedgizu, Tsetgizu and Library-Bibliographic Publishing in all newly published textbooks, manuals and books for children's reading to use the letter "e."
§ 4
The Department of Primary and Secondary Schools (T. Sarycheva) and the Educational and Methodological Council (T. Skatkinu), within a month, prepare a school handbook of all words in which the use of the letter “e” causes difficulties.
Uchpedgizu (t. Sundukovu) to provide an urgent edition of this handbook in the necessary drawing.
§ 5
To all primary and secondary school grammars of the Russian language, the Department of Primary and Secondary Schools and the Methodological Council will set forth in more detail the rules for the use of the letter e.
People's Commissar of Enlightenment of the RSFSR V.Potemkin


The struggle for the use of the letter “e” is also being conducted in modern Russia, although, according to some specialists, which is difficult to divide, this letter can be used “at one’s (or, in their case,“ one’s ”) discretion”.

A letter from the Ministry of Education and Science was published in 2007 in which it was said that ignoring the use of the letter “ё”, for example, in proper names is a violation of the Federal Law “On the State Language of the Russian Federation”. That is, if there is a letter “e” in the name, then not writing it in a passport or other important document actually changes one proper name for another. As an option: Kotenochkin and Kotenochkin.

One of the symbols of protection and promotion of the letter “ё” in Russian is a monument erected in 2005 in Ulyanovsk. This is a monument to the letter "e" with its subsequent change to the updated version.



Happy birthday, yo! Friends, do not forget about the existence of this letter in the alphabet and, of course, about its worthy place in our richest language!
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  1. +22
    29 November 2015 05: 58
    I can not imagine the Russian language without this letter. Yo ... how much can be expressed!
    1. +4
      29 November 2015 06: 06
      maer, food, rayan laughing
      1. +37
        29 November 2015 06: 10
        Quote: Petrof
        maer, food, rayan

        Yolka smile
        1. +10
          29 November 2015 06: 14
          Quote: GRAY
          Yolka

          on the Maidan?
          Yo mine belay
          1. +1
            29 November 2015 06: 41
            Quote: izya top
            on the Maidan?

            Honestly, when I wrote, I did not think at all about the pig.
            Yolka on Maidanі - pristosunok for Android
            wassat
        2. +4
          29 November 2015 09: 29
          I'm not so scary smile .
        3. 0
          30 November 2015 02: 13
          Quote: GRAY
          Yolka

          Yogurt !!! wassat
        4. 0
          30 November 2015 12: 47
          But he is too lazy to write two letters instead of one. And there’s nothing to it.
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      2. +39
        29 November 2015 06: 21
        Well, you can, and so, because everyone understands? smile
      3. +2
        29 November 2015 06: 40
        Quote: Petrof
        maer, food, rayan

        Petrov - also sounds good.
        1. The comment was deleted.
      4. +17
        29 November 2015 06: 57
        Yo-myo kaka edrёna theme
        It has disappeared from print, but VO is surviving on the forum
        Live happily ever after! Yo! hi
        1. +30
          29 November 2015 07: 20
          A fairy tale about the letter Y

          It’s good to be a poet -
          You can compose a fairy tale.
          The tale is a lie, but a hint in it.
          Along - a hint and across.
          Once above the letter “e”
          Dots appeared. Two.
          Is it a halo, and only a crown,
          There would be a fairy tale and an end,
          Only - Yo-ke-le-me-ne,
          It suddenly became known to me
          What scientist Yoshkin cat
          Take a letter by the hand
          To the alphabet with her,
          Speech seditious
          Tells her so intimately:
          “You are now legitimate,
          On you out of respect
          They stress the word.
          Not enough authority
          You are more important than any others
          Be yo-pe-re-se-te
          The letter "E", on top!
          Char you do not borrow
          You can replace letters! ”
          And then fun went:
          Mortgage - Mortgage,
          The Institute has become the Institute,
          Someone Yongduk inflated.
          Was Ivan - became Yovan
          In the kingdom bewitched.
          Everything is easy and simple:
          YOU-DO-DO-DO-DO!
          When driving incorrectly
          You get into the traffic police.
          Foreign words:
          Yokebana, both!
          Empowerment Yes Incident,
          Internet yes Tools ...
          It is only with the letter “and”
          Transformations have passed.
          And for now, all the way -
          Even Putin has become Putong.
          Well, with whom else and where
          Living in Russia Depardieu?
          We will be strong as always
          In ёfification of the country!
          If the profit is terribly rushing
          So Pencia is growing.
          So all the same Yepotek
          Do not strangle a person!
          In the letter "ё" chakras opened -
          Here we are at the перperny Theater.
          And who doesn’t sing with us,
          That, of course, is coming
          Well, it's time for me to finish
          To joke, to be naughty,
          And in short, to scoff -
          It's time to mourn!

          Galina Bestuzheva
          1. +3
            29 November 2015 15: 49
            Ah well done, Well, what say: ё maё !!!
            1. +2
              30 November 2015 06: 36
              Afterword to the birthday letter ё

              In a country where yo-mobiles
              Of course - yo-roads!
              Everyone knows about it.
              and stupid.
              Ah, if two troubles
              In Russia, there were only
              And where do not spit -
              Wrong!

              Well, how yo mine
              We do not love Russia?
              She shelters everyone
              And everyone will find housing.
              Whatever words
              We didn’t utter
              Sounds truer
              When the letter "ё".

              Officials on the chairs
              Do not fidget at all.
              Looks like for a long time
              Mamai did not pass.
              Grandma won't fix them
              Not a Hedgehog, not a sorceress,
              Not Galkin and not Galtsev,
              Not Yokarny Babai.

              Well, how yo mine
              We do not love Russia?
              She shelters everyone
              And everyone will find housing.
              Whatever words
              We didn’t utter
              Sounds truer
              When the letter "ё".

              Funny song
              We wanted to compose
              Easy and no wonder
              Sing it for you.
              Do not jerk, of course
              We didn’t succeed,
              Edren-loaf, whisk
              And your hedgehog is copper!

              Well, how yo mine
              We do not love Russia?
              She shelters everyone
              And everyone will find housing.
              Whatever words
              We didn’t utter
              Sounds truer
              When the letter "ё".
              Galina Bestuzheva, 30.11.2015
        2. +12
          29 November 2015 10: 28
          Quote: Very old
          Yo-myo kaka edrёna theme
          It has disappeared from print, but VO is surviving on the forum
          Live happily ever after! Yo!

          It’s hard to distinguish without the letter case и case, sky и sky, a donkey и a donkey, perfect и perfect, all и all. Some words are easily distinguished by context, like key и key, puddle и puddle, glass и glass. But due to the fact that you have to decipher it once again, a person can subconsciously avoid such words - and the contexts themselves. Connector (“Eat” instead of “eat” to color the speech) aperture, climb, the hive, perch.
          It is better to avoid ambiguous spelling.

          And here is what they wrote then, in Pushkin’s times:
          I have your grammar. Without depriving her of any dignity, let me sincerely conceal, though a trifle, in it, which, by impoverishment, was made rather important by our newest literature. You are not to blame, for you have taken a great interest in the examples of our writers. Many words are printed in it with two dots above the letter e, somehow you live, lie, pour, sing, and so on. Although it is true that everything is spoken, that is, the letter e is pronounced as іô or ё, but this pronunciation is common, never spelling and purity of the language is unusual. The invention of syya, in order to put two letters over the letter, has entered the times of perfect deterioration of the language. It has so far spread that even stars, nests, lies are written, and so on. For this I am asking you to warn you that when you print your grammar again, or some other compositions, you could have avoided that. Our language is pure and high consists in sacred books, and not in current journals, which are often written by people who do not read anything important in Russian, except French and Roman translations, who have their own syllable, and who consider themselves experts in language , learning to do this from some simple popular conversations. Nowhere in the Russian books (except for the present), in any writer of the former, we will not find this new manifestation of it.

          Shishkov - to Erstrom (actually Erstrom, hehe), 1820

          The grammar was different from the current one, however.
          1. +1
            29 November 2015 20: 04
            Did you write "Russian" with one "s"? Did not know.
            1. +3
              30 November 2015 01: 27
              Quote: zharyoff
              Did you write "Russian" with one "s"? Did not know.

              This is a copy of the original text, it is written like this twice. Probably from the word "Rus" and "Rusia" (country). My mother, a philologist, a teacher of the Russian language, rummaged through her books, such a spelling in the fragments of texts and photocopies given in the books is found everywhere.

              V. Dal argued that it is wrong to write "Russian" with two "s", and wrote with one (Russian language, Russian people, Russian land).
              In the annals one "s" - Russian, Russian.
              Where did the second "C" come from?
              In the dictionary, Dahl explains that in the old days they wrote "Russian" with one "s":
              "- Pravda Ruska; only Poland called us Russia, Russians, Russians, according to the Latin spelling, and we adopted this, transferred it to our Cyrillic alphabet and write Russian!"

              "According to the rules of Latin spelling, if the letter" C "is one, then it reads like [З], and if there are two" SS ", then it reads [C]. In Russian, the letter" C "is always read [C] and doubles very rarely, for example: quarrel, lend.
              ... ... ... Why double consonants, when it is contrary to our language, and with good pronunciation, can not be heard? "

              IN AND. Dahl.

              Such are the cases. hi
              1. +1
                1 December 2015 13: 45
                "According to the rules of Latin spelling, if the letter" C "is one, then it reads like [З], and if there are two" SS ", then it reads [C]. In Russian, the letter" C "is always read [C] and doubles very rarely, for example: quarrel, lend.


                Exactly! Who? Have adopted the Latins! It is necessary to return the original spelling! smile Although ask your mother-philologist about the rules of word formation of adjectives using the suffixes "K" and "SC"
                We write the French - French, in the word "Russian" the root "rus" + the suffix "SK"

                Examples with the words "quarrel" and "lend" do not fit the topic. "C" in this case is a prefix, and the next "c" is the initial letter of the root of the word.
                1. +2
                  4 December 2015 03: 20
                  Quote: but still
                  ask your mother-philologist about the rules of word formation of adjectives using the suffixes "K" and "SK"
                  We write the French - French, in the word "Russian" the root "rus" + the suffix "SK"

                  Examples with the words "quarrel" and "lend" do not fit the topic. "C" in this case is a prefix, and the next "c" is the initial letter of the root of the word.

                  I ask you to pay attention to the fact that the text is enclosed in quotation marks, and the author is indicated below.
                  PS: I know the rules for forming adjectives with the suffixes "K" and "SK", I have not forgotten yet. hi
                  1. +2
                    4 December 2015 03: 52
                    Hi .. I have with this E a lot of problems formed in my passport, but in the state registration I had to in minutes. just two weeks to settle in the corridors ..
                    So I do not like this buffe laughing
    2. +11
      29 November 2015 08: 02
      I suggest RENAME!
      YoShkar-Ola in ..
      ЁShkar-Ola! belay
      wassat
      1. +1
        29 November 2015 10: 08
        imperfection
    3. +5
      29 November 2015 10: 49
      Quote: EvgNik
      I can not imagine the Russian language without this letter. Yo ... how much can be expressed!


      And how to live in this world without the letter E? ..


      Without this letter, and "Yo-mobile" would not exist ... Yes Althoughwhat... and with her, something he is not fellow laughing
    4. +1
      29 November 2015 13: 19
      "Yo" - Old Russian "YOTA" means knowledge (indicating form). And here some "isTORiki" are weaving about some Dashkova ...
      1. +2
        29 November 2015 15: 11
        Quote: ava09
        "Yo" - Old Russian "YOTA" means knowledge (indicating form).
        This is the 9th letter of the Greek alphabet (Ιι - ёta, iota), means the smallest amount (not one iota). Where do you get your ё-knowledge in Old Russian?
        1. +2
          29 November 2015 18: 23
          Old Russian bulb. They forgot their own and climbed into Greek?
          1. +3
            29 November 2015 19: 02
            For some, the Christian religion that came to Russia from Byzantium is nothing but the True Russian Faith belay
            1. 0
              29 November 2015 19: 19
              The carriers of the original Orthodoxy were physically destroyed, and instead they preached Christianity, so that these "some" in Life would never figure it out, and worked for the masters and priests, instead of working for the good of their Family.
          2. +2
            30 November 2015 09: 06
            Quote: Rivares
            Forgot your
            We had yus small (Ѧ), yus small iotated (Ѩ), but can you name a source where Ѩ is called "etoi" and where the meaning given in your tablet is attributed to it? The word "source" should be understood not as neo-pagan ("Vedic", "Holy Russian") nonsense, but an authentic text in Old Russian or a reasoned linguistic analysis of such texts.
            1. 0
              4 December 2015 21: 34
              Quote: Stanislav
              yus small iotated (Ѩ)

              So you yourself wrote Yotchilled (eta) the prefix in your writing iota where did it come from? In the authentic text, unfortunately, it is not indicated as a name Ѩ, and in that nonsense that you call "linguistic analysis" there is no reference to the name of the letter, there the words may, probably, probably did.
              Quote: Stanislav
              We had a small us (Ѧ), a small iotated us (Ѩ)

              You may have had it, it was different with us.
          3. 0
            30 November 2015 13: 39
            Quote: Rivares
            Old Russian bulb. They forgot their own and climbed into Greek?


            laughing Bukovitsa, you say? "Own"? And in Old Russian there were NOSE CONCERNS? You are just like "Macedonians" - they also invented everything in the world and they call themselves the most ancient and great smile
            1. 0
              4 December 2015 21: 37
              Quote: but still
              And in Old Russian there were NOSE AGREEMENTS?

              Where did I write about the "nasal"?
              Quote: but still
              You are just like "Macedonians" - they also invented everything in the world and they call themselves the most ancient and great

              Consider yourself worthless and miserable. Nobody forbids you. And my legacy is my legacy. There are no Macedonians in it.
              1. 0
                7 December 2015 16: 20
                And my legacy is my legacy.


                Just don't be nervous - you have a Bulgarian heritage, no matter how much you want it. Except the letter with the sound "YO" hi
                1. +1
                  7 December 2015 21: 46
                  I have a Russian heritage. As you noticed the perversion of "YO" I did not write.
                  Quote: Stanislav
                  We had a small us (Ѧ), a small iotated us (Ѩ),

                  His letter yo initially popped up (or rather, he refers to the church "inventors").
  2. +12
    29 November 2015 05: 58
    Happy birthday, yo! We have all the letters you need and are great !!! Yo - mine!
  3. +14
    29 November 2015 05: 59
    ignoring the use of the letter "ё", For example, in proper names is a violation of the Federal Law"About the state language of the Russian Federation»

    I fully support this federal law. For me, the maximum possible use of the root words of the Russian language helps and greatly simplifies both communication and the technology of evidence in difficult cases of controversy on any issue.
  4. +10
    29 November 2015 06: 06
    Eh, yo ... !!! how much in this letter has merged for the heart of the Russian! how much has responded in it! lol hi with Birthday E ..............! drinks
  5. +4
    29 November 2015 06: 09
    Interesting! New holiday? smile But E-mobile - passed away without being born ...
    1. +11
      29 November 2015 06: 59
      Parent impotent, this happens
  6. +11
    29 November 2015 06: 13
    Yes, this letter left me problems! I have a simple Russian surname Vorobyov, but they didn’t put a point at my birth and problems began when processing various documents, they suggested that I redo it but you know what kind of hemera can be understood in passport offices and alteration of ALL documents so I became Vorobyov (read correctly)
    1. +8
      29 November 2015 08: 50
      Quote: Siberia 9444
      so I became Vorobiev

      You will be surprised, but the situation has further development. My friend with the same problem as yours has a surname today ... Vorobiev (Vorobiev). And you say .... winked
  7. +12
    29 November 2015 06: 14
    Congratulate everyone!
    Oh, dashing in the beginning:
    Hedgehog hedgehog hedgehog yokat christmas tree yolkovo capacious capacity yolk yornik yorn
    and everywhere to the place:
    actor hips birch Burenka boiled fair weather all vortky vosny oars rise entry of vrazlot faceted distant turf conductor yellow hard hardness zhzhony zalet green beans grain of the decline of red-hot biting cool maple riveting wheel bonfire godfather easy lightness of the ice flax loess pilot oats flame eagle sedentary donkey screwdriver alarmist diapers stump feather dog motley film mowing bite day-to-day climb snow-flying flight flight-taking reception-father-in-law condensed-milk condensed shogun saddle-salmon shooting taiga calf dark three-tier three-wheeled three-star cliff driver four-four
    good
    1. +2
      29 November 2015 07: 01
      Well, that’s a complete whistle.
      1. +3
        29 November 2015 08: 22
        Quote: Very old
        Well, that’s a complete whistle.

        Yeah! Hedgehog.
    2. 0
      29 November 2015 18: 45
      Quote: yuriy55
      dash

      why the hell is written and not the hell? I heard that in the figurative meaning of Che (e) rt, it is the one who lives outside the borders of our world (in the old sense) It is written in the plural DEAD and not DEEP.
      And so in many words. The original alphabet was cut, a bunch of words stopped joining and they began to invent letters - "crutches" for the great and mighty ...
  8. +5
    29 November 2015 06: 17
    It is strange that it is considered an illegal letter. After all, when I studied, she was in all my ABCs and primers! Anyway, today it is available there .. Is this not a sign of legalizing the letter?
  9. +2
    29 November 2015 06: 17
    Well, youk-macaque, for health. laughing drinks
  10. +4
    29 November 2015 06: 21
    The letter is of course capacious, but only it is often replaced by E. Probably for brevity and speed? Although the savings are not clear. Well, if it's a holiday, then I will write as expected.
    1. +14
      29 November 2015 11: 35
      Once upon a time they "saved" in printing houses - one letter less, it is easier for typesetters ... since then it has gone ...
      1. gjv
        +2
        29 November 2015 18: 25
        Quote: vladimir_krm
        Once upon a time "saved" in printing houses - one letter less

        The selective use of the letter "ё" as the norm of Russian writing was enshrined in 1956.
        Patronymic V.I. Lenin in the instrumental case, it was customary to write Ilyichёm (while for all other Ilyichs after 1956 it was used only by Ilyich). There is no evidence that this rule has been canceled.
        There is a rare Russian surname Ё French origin, which in French is written in four letters.
        The surname of the famous Russian poet Afanasy Afanasevich Fet (Foeth - German in origin) was distorted when printing his first book. He gained fame already under the name Fet. At the same time, he spent part of his life under the name Shenshin.
  11. -10
    29 November 2015 06: 28
    And also, Christmas Day began yesterday. (?)
    Can such events be published on other sites, in other sections?
    I think the article is useful, but for another place of publication.
    1. +18
      29 November 2015 06: 47
      Quote: aszzz888
      I think the article is useful, but for another place of publication.

      From what? The letter E is dreamed of being canceled by a number of our pseudo-scientists. Give them free rein: they would cut the Russian alphabet by a third. In order to equalize with wretched English.
      1. +12
        29 November 2015 07: 43
        Quote: EvgNik
        The letter E is dreamed of being canceled by a number of our pseudo-scientists. Give them free rein: they would cut the Russian alphabet by a third. In order to equalize with the wretched ...

        These "scientists"The mania for the destruction of everything Russian! How they even before the XNUMXth century in all academies explained that all European languages ​​are the essence of spoiled Hebrew! But it should be noted that they still have some successes, in particular in our programs missing accent icon, which greatly complicates, for example, the study of the Russian language by foreigners, I have already complained about this. I'll see what has been done in our domestic operating systems and analogues of the "Office" in this regard, if nothing, then must organize raids on the perpetrators.
        1. +3
          29 November 2015 09: 09
          With the study of the Russian language by foreigners, in general, the trouble. Especially in the part of "obscene words and expressions". They just have a pattern break.
          1. 0
            29 November 2015 22: 44
            Quote: Darkness
            Learning the Russian language by foreigners is generally a disaster.



            Just the opposite, this is the first thing they begin to understand .. Why ...
      2. +1
        29 November 2015 10: 57
        Quote: EvgNik
        From what? The letter E is dreamed of being canceled by a number of our pseudo-scientists. Give them free rein: they would cut the Russian alphabet by a third. In order to equalize with wretched English.

        A.V. Lunacharsky was an active supporter of the romanization of Russian writing. He saw in the Latin alphabet the advantage thanks to which Russians would be able to study the Turkic language, to which Lunacharsky attached great importance: “To study the Turkic language through the Arabic script would be prohibitively difficult. , in my opinion, to study the Turkic language, since tens of millions of our citizens, tens of millions of people who are abroad of our Union speak it. "
        Without limiting himself to his personal opinion, Lunacharsky cited his memoirs of a conversation with Lenin, in which he found full support for the idea of ​​the Latinization of Russian writing. Lenin, according to Lunacharsky, said: "I have no doubt that the time will come for the romanization of the Russian script, but now it would be imprudent to act in a hurry."
        The matter was not limited to discussion, in 1929 the People's Commissariat of Education of the RSFSR formed a commission to develop the question of the romanization of the Russian alphabet. In the minutes of the meeting of this commission dated January 14, 1930, we read: "To recognize that the romanization of the Russian alphabet should be understood as the transition of Russian writing and printing to an international alphabet, uniform for all peoples of the USSR, on a Latin basis, - the first stage towards the creation of a world international alphabet. the near future of Russians for a single international alphabet on a Latin basis is inevitable. "
        However, in 1917-1918 the spelling reform of the Russian language was carried out, which had other positive aspects, although it was actively criticized.
        http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/ruwiki/1078378

        Our language was reformed both under Peter I, and under M.V. Lomonosov, as well as in 1917-1918, in 1956, 2009, 2012 and 2014.
      3. GAF
        +4
        29 November 2015 13: 30
        Quote: EvgNik
        In order to equalize with wretched English.

        I absolutely agree with you. Surzhik in Ukraine has already shown itself in all its glory. Well, Yo contributed to the victory. In the heat of battle, the Germans could not really understand the meaning of our radio conversations with an emphasis on Y. It was not because the People's Commissariat in 1942 adopted the Y armament, legally securing it in Russian.
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    3. +1
      29 November 2015 09: 11
      Who started?
  12. +3
    29 November 2015 06: 38
    It is necessary to remember about it not once a year, but to keep it as a rule to use it constantly!
  13. +6
    29 November 2015 06: 41
    Our tatuped.y (Read back) wanted to cancel it, SLAVATATUPEDam. They composed the whole law, discussed more than one day (deducted from the manual). How do you sometimes want to kick them all, after such tricks, for our money.
  14. +3
    29 November 2015 06: 53
    "E, k, l, m, n ... Oh, p, p, s, t"! Thanks to the author for the reminder. I congratulate the Russian alphabet (together with the Russian language and literature) happy birthday "e", long years of life for the bukovka.
  15. +8
    29 November 2015 07: 19
    The maps intercepted by the Nazis turned out to be much more accurate than ours: if near the front line there was the village of Beryozovka, then on the maps both in Russian and in German “Beryozovka” appeared. And no "Birch", as we have. After Stalin learned about the meticulousness of the Fritz and the negligence of the Russian specialists, a decree was issued according to which "E" was strictly published in the Pravda newspaper, in books, and in government documents. Well, on the cards, of course
    http://www.km.ru/front-projects/russkii-yazyk-velikoe-dostoyanie-vsego-chelovech
    estva / kak-stalin-e-reabilitiroval
    1. -1
      29 November 2015 08: 46
      Yes Yes. And neither of which was that Soviet maps were classified, nor the fact that foreign cartographers weren’t allowed to enter. And not what, what are the German cards of the 1913 sample?
      Got it - nothing for you. laughing
      1. +4
        29 November 2015 09: 34
        where does the classification of cards and the absence of the letter E on them?
        or do you think Stalin didn’t show the cards because of their secrecy?
      2. +2
        29 November 2015 13: 44
        But nothing that the German maps, as the veterans say, were more accurate than ours? And nothing that in the 20-30-beginning of 40 was a lot of things built, including in the European part of the USSR? And how many were renamed !!!! !! Apparently the Germans about "Paris Communes", "Rays of October", "Red Fighters" and so on in their titles - in 1913 they sensed fellow fellow fool
        According to the names, when compiling a map, from the local administration officially lists of settlements, rivers, mountains, etc. are obtained. This sometimes leads to funny things, for example we have a village of Lokhmаtovka (by cards) -but everything, including administration, consider her Lohmоby trade.
      3. 0
        29 November 2015 22: 49
        Quote: tanit
        And neither of which was that Soviet maps were classified, nor the fact that foreign cartographers weren’t allowed to enter. And not what, what are the German cards of the 1913 sample?


        I do not agree, I personally held the German map of 1942, compiled according to the data of 1938 ...
  16. +2
    29 November 2015 07: 37
    How long the letter E has made its way, and How easily foreign and slang words now creep through. Fenya generally became generally accepted.
  17. +4
    29 November 2015 07: 43
    When I registered, I wanted to first take the nickname "Yo Moo" - now it would be a day.
  18. +1
    29 November 2015 08: 00
    Eper Theater lol

  19. +1
    29 November 2015 08: 04
    The name Artyom must be written with two dots above the letter E. But this letter is not on the keyboard. Why? explain somebody to me. I have the honor.
    1. +7
      29 November 2015 08: 13
      I have - in the upper left corner, just below the esc icon
      1. +1
        29 November 2015 08: 24
        Quote: Petrof
        I have - in the upper left corner, just below the esc icon

        Yes. Once there.
      2. +4
        29 November 2015 08: 26
        Dear Julia, thank you. I have the honor.
    2. +6
      29 November 2015 08: 16
      Yo-mayo, how is it not Yo? My older son’s name is Artyom, he said in the store that I won’t buy a laptop without Yo laughing
    3. +1
      29 November 2015 08: 22
      Yuri Grigoryevich, I sympathize with you - I’ll spill the bag with ё.ёёёёёёёёёёё .........
      I will not leave the forum member in trouble: ё-mine, without ё and you can’t send her to ё fellow
    4. +1
      30 November 2015 06: 25
      Quote: midshipman
      But on the keyboard this letter is not. Why? explain somebody to me.

      Maybe it is not on all the keys? When buying, you need to look. I have both on a computer and on a laptop.
  20. +3
    29 November 2015 08: 12
    Yo is a cool letter! I repent when I write by hand - I do not always put dots, but I try to print with it! Hedgehog ... herringbone ... honey agarics ... kitten ... dog ... cows ... how many wonderful words!
  21. +2
    29 November 2015 08: 22
    The letter is cool at least because it is always under stress (if what)
    Happy yo.
  22. +1
    29 November 2015 08: 30
    Finger-sticks, the USSR remembered the letter “ë” at the very height of the battle of Stalingrad. Patriotism is always remembered in difficult moments, but we must always remember.
  23. +1
    29 November 2015 08: 32
    Yoshkin cat, yo-mine !!! smile
  24. +1
    29 November 2015 08: 40
    Happy Birthday!!!
  25. 0
    29 November 2015 08: 47
    Once, one of the members of the forum recalled that we should not forget about this letter. I began to carefully print it. The tablet liked it and he began to turn all the letters E into E. What set the additional work.
    Well, if it's a birthday - it should be celebrated! Happy holiday, dear letter Y!
  26. +1
    29 November 2015 08: 53
    Quote: EvgNik
    I can not imagine the Russian language without this letter. Yo ... how much can be expressed!

    Yomayo
  27. 0
    29 November 2015 09: 00
    And immediately drank for it!
  28. +4
    29 November 2015 09: 05
    Thank you for the article. Though no side to VO, but the simplification and degeneration of the Russian language is a very serious topic.
  29. +3
    29 November 2015 09: 11
    And here are two more on Yo smile
  30. +1
    29 November 2015 09: 12
    Now, God forbid, they will write E instead of E in the documents, or vice versa, you will be tormented later!
  31. +5
    29 November 2015 09: 14
    I always write with her.! smile
  32. 0
    29 November 2015 09: 41
    Letter Ё is very important for a Russian person, well, try to say the phrase "Move away, otherwise ... I'll hit you!" No letter Ё all expressiveness and clarity of expression are immediately lost laughing And also brevity, which is very important in battle, well, for example: "I order to strike at the enemy in square A352" or "Yes ... hit the mound!"
  33. +3
    29 November 2015 09: 43
    In an interesting article, a wonderful portrait of Dashkova.
  34. +4
    29 November 2015 09: 44
    Fursenko did a lot of nasty things for Russia!
  35. +2
    29 November 2015 09: 56
    Fursenko did a lot of nasty things for Russia!
    ----------------------------------------------
    Ltd! this is just the beginning. See what they are offering right now in education ...
  36. +3
    29 November 2015 09: 56
    Karamzin invented only the letter Y, and the letters X, P and F were invented by Cyril and Methodius.
    Venedikt Erofeev. Yes
    1. +2
      29 November 2015 18: 52
      Cyril and Methodius did not come up with anything. They from the Old Russian alphabet took those letters that they understood and created Church Slavonic.
  37. +2
    29 November 2015 09: 59
    If there is a letter for yu - yu, for ya - i, then there must be a letter for yo - yo, respectively.

    But in theory, the letter for yO should be in the German manner - Ö, and not in French -..
  38. Roy
    +4
    29 November 2015 10: 05
    Ignoring "Yo" when pronouncing many surnames, replacing Y "with" E ", constantly leads to distortion of many surnames, especially when reading them. You come across this at every step. This is especially typical for the army, offices and offices. Example: surname Shepelev, almost always pronounced like Shepelev. So it is with other similar surnames. Therefore, it is always necessary, in all cases, especially on surnames, to put the letter "E." But this is still not done. That's the thing.
    1. 0
      29 November 2015 11: 44
      Well, they pronounced the surname "Shepelev" in a wrong way .. Then what, what is the tragedy? If citizen Shepelev is standing side by side, he will correct (probably already got used to for so many years), if not, then there is no one to be offended. And in surnames, the problem may be not only in the letter. In mine, for example, the letter E is not. But it is often distorted by incorrectly pronouncing the STRIKE. Following your logic, will it obligatory require the affixing of HIT?
      1. +1
        29 November 2015 13: 49
        try to prove if you have "Yo" - and your children do not have in the documents that they are your children !!! from the letters one Yoi will remain ...
  39. +3
    29 November 2015 10: 12
    I propose to fine for replacing the letter E with E in the media. They got it already, too lazy to reach for the letter ё on the clave.
  40. +1
    29 November 2015 10: 31
    When creating Durkaines, the first thing they killed was Y. So they suffer without it!
  41. +4
    29 November 2015 10: 32
    Thanks so much for the article.
    Language is the basis of national identity, which is why they strike a blow at the Russian language, for example, in the middle of the 19th century, the Austrian authorities tried to introduce the Latin alphabet in Carpathian Rus, they broke off, but the Polish-Austrian lackeys ("Ukrainophiles") managed to introduce a phonetic spelling (i.e. . write as you hear) and change the spelling, approximately the same picture we see in the Ukraine captured by the junta.
    In 1904, the Kodla Russophobes created a "spelling commission" at the Academy of Sciences whose purpose was to destroy the etymology of the Russian language (that is, it was useless, it has become useless, countless, countless), to change the meaning. Commission member
    Baudouin de Courtenay tried to push through his rotten "phonemic theory" (substitution, mouse, sidish, night, cove, chevo, etc. delirium).
    What failed in 1904 happened after the coup of 1917, May 11, our language was pretty disfigured.
    Anyone who thinks that this article has no place in VO, in my opinion, is deeply mistaken.
    1. -2
      29 November 2015 10: 49
      managed to introduce phonetic spelling (i.e. write as you hear)


      But it should be so, as it is heard, it should be written - this principle of spelling construction is called phonetic.
      1. +2
        29 November 2015 18: 56
        "as it is heard and written" is a very popular statement in the zones.
        Quote: rotor
        But it should be so, as it is heard, it should be written - this principle of spelling construction is called phonetic.

        But what about the imagery of the language? Remove as unnecessary?
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  42. +2
    29 November 2015 11: 04
    "I would immediately cut off intercourse with you,
    and before you part forever,
    I wouldn’t get very much
    who is this dear man for you. "(Griboyedov)
  43. +1
    29 November 2015 11: 37
    Is there such a letter in the Russian alphabet? There is! Remove it? No. She does not bother anyone. But I do not agree with the obligatory use. In books for children, grades up to the 3rd, it is imperative to use it to "put" the correct reading. And then it's not worth it.
    Hundreds of millions of TENS of people cost excellently and problems somehow did not arise. And now they raised a storm in a glass of water, as if there were no other problems. Or just because they raised that a lot of problems? ...

    Guardians for the purity of the Russian language. Can you take care of the other side of the problem? Children and not only children need to READ more. And read GOOD literature, not trash. I was lucky in my life, as a child I somehow immediately fell in love with reading and read a lot. In addition to my general outlook, I got a side effect - I wrote correctly, although I hardly learned the rules of grammar. Just a wrong comma, a clumsy phrase, etc. "cut" the eye.
    You need to read more, and there will be no problems with E. The truth of what worked well in the "early" days can now have the opposite effect. You read modern TEXTS (you are not drawn to literature) and you want to hang the editor (or proofreader) for a causal place.
  44. +1
    29 November 2015 11: 41
    I read a fairy tale to my son, there the hero is written as I read Tereshechka, and my wife says read Tereshechka, she knows a fairy tale from childhood. Feel the difference. Without E, the meaning is lost and it is not possible to read the text correctly with unfamiliar words.
  45. +1
    29 November 2015 11: 48
    An old joke with the letter E: One seasoned boatswain from the Navy was invited to school with children to tell how he served and walked. Only the swindler he was scary. He was told the children would say. You want to swear, you say. It began- Yo ... We went Yo ... once. Weather Yo ... goes bad Yo ... Our Yo ... dish Yo ... chatting Yo ... and so and so Yo ... Absolutely Yo ... storm Yo ... Us like Yo ... wave against the rocks how yo ... will!
  46. +1
    29 November 2015 14: 46
    I'm not Yoo, but it's my birthday today too. feel And I already drinks laughing
    1. +3
      29 November 2015 16: 19
      Quote: Bort Radist
      I'm not Yoo, but it's my birthday today too.

      Be healthy boyar! drinks
      1. +2
        29 November 2015 18: 13
        Quote: Bayonet
        Be healthy boyar!

        We will!
  47. 0
    29 November 2015 14: 49
    People's Commissar of Enlightenment of the RSFSR V.Potemkin

    No wonder the man got down to business. I can imagine how he got fed up that his surname is not spelled correctly - "Dear V, what is it in your surname for such a strange letter? - Yo ... yours ..., write my surname correctly!".)
  48. -7
    29 November 2015 16: 16
    By the way, most Russian-speakers think that the Russian language is millennia. In fact, his birth occurred in the 18th century, largely thanks to Karamzin, who took many rules from the Germans and Swedes. That is, just a little over two hundred years. However, thanks to the literary geniuses of the Russian language, it has become simply magnificent. For example, compare with a related Czech, where there were not many prominent writers. Many Czech adjectives have 4-5 meanings in Russian.
    By the way, the 20th century gave birth to the Uzbek, thanks to Academician Bartold, who in 1920 proposed making the Andijan dialect of the Uzbek language (almost Tajik) the state. Before that, the Uzbeks spoke the same language with the Kazakhs.
    Hebrew is also a work of the 20th century, before that it was like Latin.
    By the way, the Cossacks spoke the Turkic language before the 20th century, which is surprising, since it is generally forgotten. My friend was in the village of Vyoshinsky, the birthplace of Sholokhov. He was struck by a huge number of Turkic words in the spoken language.
    The true historical native Russian language is the language of the Lay of Igor's Host. Read it and scratch your head.
    1. 0
      29 November 2015 19: 05
      Quote: Atygay
      By the way, most Russian-speakers think that the Russian language is millennia. In fact, his birth took place in the 18th century, thanks in large part to Karamzin,

      Those. Ivan the Terrible had books in Latin and the annals were written in an incomprehensible language ???
      Quote: Atygay
      Hebrew is also a work of the 20th century, before that it was like Latin.

      Do you know Vayshen Koidysh? The Torah is written on it (and the Bible is written off and translated from it)
      Quote: Atygay
      By the way, the Cossacks spoke the Turkic language before the 20th century, which is surprising, since it is generally forgotten.

      Forgotten as a wretched Turkish fiction. By the way, you probably have not heard anything about glagolic texts.
      1. 0
        30 November 2015 15: 21
        Quote: Rivares
        Those. Ivan the Terrible had books in Latin and the annals were written in an incomprehensible language ???


        Exactly! Books at the baptism of Rus were brought from Bulgaria (Danube smile ) in Old Bulgarian. Princess Olga is a Bulgarian from Pliska, with her was the Bulgarian patriarch Grigory, the housekeeper of Olga Malka - the mother of Svyatoslav - the Bulgarians. Vladimir the Baptist, it turns out, 75% of the Bulgarians. The first church books in Russia were in Old Bulgarian. Later, when Bulgaria was captured by the Ottomans, many Bulgarian priests moved to Russia, taking with them liturgical books in Old Bulgarian. The most famous of them are Cyprian and Gregory Tsamblak.
        When the Principality of Moscow appeared, the creation of the doctrine of Moscow-the third Rome resulted in Nikon's reforms - that's when the centuries-old confrontation between the Old Believers and the authorities began. Then, and began the massive "correction" of liturgical books.
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    3. +1
      29 November 2015 20: 15
      "The Word about Igor's Regiment" was written no later than 1180.
      After reading one of Sulemenov's book "Az and Ya", you immediately became a great expert in linguistics.
      In fact, his birth occurred in the 18th century, largely thanks to Karamzin, who took many rules from the Germans and Swedes.

      Thanks to such an incredible discovery, you should get into the hall of fame and receive many international awards in linguistics.
      Hebrew is also a work of the 20th century, before that it was like Latin.

      This is the second brilliant discovery that you carefully concealed from us. But in vain.
      The prize is waiting for you, right on the border of Israel. Perhaps you will be taken to Jerusalem.
      ----------
      If you throw something into an empty jug, he strumming.
    4. 0
      30 November 2015 03: 07
      -The dialect spoken in Andijan region is considered more correct and beautiful by the Uzbeks themselves ... Khorezm, or Tashkent, they say, they say more rudely, or something ... smile
    5. 0
      30 November 2015 17: 52
      "By the way, most Russian-speaking people think that the Russian language is millennium. In fact, its birth took place in the 18th century, largely thanks to Karamzin, who took many of the rules from the Germans and Swedes."

      Any Language changes over time. Take Russian chronicles and read them - they are perfectly readable by those who speak Russian. Here is the Belarusian "stillborn" in the early 19th century. Before that, they wrote and spoke exactly in Ruskom (Ruthenian).
      Historically, Russian is the language of "Zadonshchina", and not "A Word about Palku Ingorev". Modern Russian is mainly the merit of the genius of Pushkin.
  49. +1
    29 November 2015 17: 30
    - Let's put all the points over Yo!
  50. 0
    29 November 2015 17: 34
    Oh my, how to forget about her laughing She is now in almost every language! good
  51. 0
    29 November 2015 19: 19
    Yo - eta (Old Slavonic = Church Slavonic)
    1. +1
      29 November 2015 19: 42
      Quote: Vlas Urban
      Yo - eta (Old Slavonic = Church Slavonic)

      Please tell me where you found the "Old Slavonic" letters? On our calendar, according to which it is now the 7524th summer, the designation has always been in Russian letters (rather than numbers); this is clearly visible on books published before the year 1700. The Slavs, or rather even “sklavene” (that is, slaves in Latin), appear in the XNUMXth century. Question: why, before the appearance of the Slavs (and even the Slovens), in Rus' they wrote with letters called Russian (ancient Russian), and you call these letters Slavic. And when do you think the name of this set of letters was renamed? I have no questions about the Church Slavonic language, I know its origin, it is described in detail.
      1. +1
        29 November 2015 21: 16
        This is according to Bulgarian chronology. According to Byzantine, the year is 7515.
        Novgorodians called themselves Slovenes. Perhaps they knew better than you and me what to call themselves?
        English slave, French esclave, German Sklave, Portuguese escravo, Italian schiavo

        You chose the German or French sound, why?
        Why did Latinists call the Slavs this way (the root of this word is clear to Russians) -
        many Slavic slaves came to them, and the sound is the same, except for one letter, although the meaning is different. What nonsense is this for “Latinists”, already enriched then with knowledge of linguistics and world history.
        They all already had Oxford degrees, didn’t they?
        1. 0
          30 November 2015 13: 30
          Quote: Turkir
          Why did Latinists call the Slavs this way (the root of this word is clear to Russians) -
          many Slavic slaves came to them


          That's right - for the first time the "Slavs" i.e. "Slavs" was used in the Middle Ages by Latins! The “Slavs” themselves did not call themselves that. This was not the name of an ethnic group, but of enslaved peoples, including the Thracians (by the way, they did not call themselves Thracians either - their enemies called them that), who fiercely fought the occupying Romans. In their architecture, the columns depict “forelocked” “crested” strong slave-slavs with European faces - who wore such forelocks? Thracian warriors and their descendants - Bulgarians - Cossacks.

          This is where the “blank spot” of “Slavic” history until the 6-7th century is hidden! smile
        2. 0
          30 November 2015 19: 29
          Quote: Turkir
          English slave, French esclave, German Sklave, Portuguese escravo, Italian schiavo
          You chose the German or French sound, why?

          Interesting selection of languages. From the XNUMXth to the XNUMXth centuries, not a single one of them existed; it is known that there was Latin, this is true, for the record. And in English the word “slave” was written as “thrall” - somewhat reminiscent of the word “trawl”, the modern slave - appeared recently. In general, it is interesting to find out the sources of information, if possible, otherwise I will learn a lot of new things here. Regarding the word “Slavs”, it comes from the Etruscan “Sokolovians” - something like Sokolovs. The image of the sun god “Ra”, “Yara-Ra”, “Yaril”, etc., both in Egypt and in Arkon, was depicted in the form of a human body with the head of a falcon. Of all the birds, the falcon develops the fastest speed when attacking a victim; the symbol of the falcon was on the coat of arms of the Rurikovichs, since Rurik (rorik) in Western Russian is the falcon translated into our modern one. If I said something wrong, please let me know.
          1. 0
            30 November 2015 20: 43
            You can get acquainted with an opinion that is more significant on this topic. I gave you a quote from this material. View -
            http://lujicajazz.narod.ru/slavian_i_sklavus.html
            As for the Ruriks -
            Adam of Bremen called the Obodrichs or Obrits "Reregi".
            Obodrichi had a trading post on the shores of the Baltic Sea, during the time of Charlemagne, which the Danes called "Reric".
            There are many questions, but not all the answers to them are correct; there are also absurd answers, although they have a scientific form. Therefore, it is worth considering those options that are found by history buffs. This topic is beyond the scope of the commentary.
            I do not hide the sources on which my opinion is based. I will be happy to share it with them. And mathematical education gives the ability to think logically.
            There is also material on the Ruriks, which is not at hand at the moment, but I’ll send it to you in a private message.
      2. 0
        30 November 2015 13: 01
        Quote: venaya
        On our calendar, according to which it is now the 7524th summer,

        On our? winked Actually, this calendar is Bulgarian. But if you want to call him YOURS, call him - you are a relative, after all, a possible descendant of the Thracian Bulgarians who lived both on the territory of modern Russia and Ukraine smile
        1. 0
          30 November 2015 16: 58
          Quote: but still
          Quote: venaya
          On our calendar, according to which it is now the 7524th summer...
          On our? Actually, this calendar is Bulgarian. But if you want to call it YOURS, call it

          It’s interesting how you reason about everything. For example, the term “Bulgar”, according to my data, comes from the word “Vulgar” or “Volgar” or a person from the Volga. Bulgarians are now called “non-Volga Bulgars,” that is, people from the Volga (ancient Russian river, formerly called “Ra”), but the Volga Bulgars who remained on the Volga are now called Tatars. If you have a different opinion, then express it, it will be very interesting. By the way, there were other calendars in Rus', M. Lomonosov also spoke about this, but more on that later.
          1. 0
            30 November 2015 17: 26
            It is interesting to learn about the calendars that Lomonosov spoke about.

            Volga from the Bulgarians, and not vice versa smile
            Yes, the Volga was previously called RA smile

            I get a picture like this:
            Volga is a distorted word derived from the word “Bolgar”. Most likely this name was taken from the Greeks after Nikon’s reform, because they do not have the sounds “B” and “P” - therefore, they pronounced “Bolgar” “Volgar” (“P” at the end of the word was dropped). Previously, the Volga was called Etil, or Atil (probably from Attila), and even earlier - RA, or ORA, when these lands were inhabited by Thracian tribes who settled from the Balkans in different directions after the invasion of the Romans. Those. The Bulgarians are the heirs of the Balkan Thracians. The heirs of the Bulgarians are the Volga, Crimean, Danube, South Russian and South Ukrainian peoples, mixed to varying degrees with other peoples. The Great Kubrat was baptized as a child in Constantinople (the Bulgarians, along with their Thracian religion, were also Christians), and his 5 sons are the founders of the Bulgarian states and the ancestors of many nations. One of Kubrat’s sons made his people Christians, another Kubrat’s son made them Muslims. And if we take into account the fact that the first large-scale settlement of the Thracians occurred even earlier, after the so-called Flood in the Black Sea, then there are traces of their culture in Sumer, Mesopotamia, Egypt, India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
    2. 0
      30 November 2015 12: 52
      These are OLD BULGARIAN letters - the nasal consonant “ONnn”, the so-called big yus and the softened “A”, or “I” smile
      1. 0
        30 November 2015 13: 13
        By the way, did Old Russian have nasal consonants? winked
        1. 0
          30 November 2015 17: 05
          There were Sve"N"toslav, I"N"gor. and Sol"N"tse remained. wink

          + Russian differs from Bulgarian, and even southwestern languages, in its full consonance.
          1. 0
            1 December 2015 12: 10
            In Old Russian at the end of the 10th century (at the time of baptism) there were no nasal sounds - when during the 1st “South Slavic influence” (according to D.S. Likhachev), and in fact the term should be called “1st Bulgarian influence”, Bulgarian books were copied in the Old Bulgarian language, and the “socks” of the “Americans” were automatically copied. Later they began to replace them (sound laws - the large nosovka in Russian became the sound "U" "ronka" - "hand", and the small nosovka in the Russian language became "Ya" "imEN" - "name").
            After the Ottomans captured Byzantium, which had previously captured Bulgaria, many Bulgarian monks (the most famous are Cyprian and Gregory Tsimblak) with books in Old Bulgarian moved to Russian lands, where they continued their spiritual work - here you have the “Second South Slavic Influence” according to Likhachev). Then the Old Bulgarian “socks” were again revived in books in the Old Russian language.

            Here's what they write in the Russian-speaking space about this:
            Yus major (Ѫ ѫ) denoted the nasal vowel [ɔ̃]. In the Russian language from the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries it coincided in pronunciation with [u]: river - hand. From the middle of the XNUMXth century it disappeared from Russian writing (replaced by the letter U), under South Slavic influence it returned in the XNUMXth century, and completely disappeared in the XNUMXth century.

            So in the Old Russian language, from the end of the 10th century, socks did not correspond to the sound structure of the Old Russian language, because these sounds were not pronounced, there were no such sounds - they were automatically copied from Old Bulgarian, and then replaced by sounds typical of the Russian language, then they were not used at all, and with the next arrival of Bulgarian books and monks - they appeared again and subsequently disappeared again.

            SveNtoslav, INGOR, the sun are examples of the etymological (historical) principle of Russian orthography, which is based on Old Bulgarian. Although according to the laws of sound, “sun” should have sounded “slUNtse” in Russian. But there are exceptions to sound laws. Let the professionals write about this - it will be very interesting to find out.

            Yes, full-voice - tord, told - oro, olo in Russian, ra, la in Bulgarian. Although in modern Russian there are many words of Bulgarian origin, where the Bulgarian sound and spelling have been preserved - citizen (here we also have the typically Bulgarian sound combination ZhD). In Russian it should have sounded like "city dweller" smile
            1. 0
              1 December 2015 12: 46
              [quote]"socks" "Americans"[quote]

              STRANGE - I wrote “Americans” and now in the text instead of “Americans” the word “Americans” is used. How did it happen? winked Did the computer translate without my knowledge? laughing
              1. 0
                1 December 2015 12: 54
                I write “YUSY” with the letter “Y”, and in the commentary “YUSY” changes to “Americans” belay
            2. 0
              1 December 2015 21: 09
              I'm terribly sorry for the mistakes! feel

              Where I wrote about Bulgarian socks that they are consonants, and where I wrote that there were no nasal sounds in Old Russian feel

              Well, of course, Old Bulgarian “socks”, large and small - nasal vowels! And of course, in Old Russian, as in modern, there are nasal sounds, such as “M” and “N” - I just meant that in Old Russian by the 10th century there were no vowel nasal sounds, as in Old Bulgarian - they they simply automatically copied from Bulgarian books - proof that the alphabet was originally compiled for the Bulgarian language, and it was subsequently adapted to Russian.
  52. 0
    29 November 2015 20: 27
    Quote: venaya
    Please tell me where you found the "Old Slavonic" letters?

    One of the generally accepted names of the language in which literary monuments of Ancient Rus' were written for various purposes. I consider literature of spiritual content to be a “Church Slavonic” language. The language of monuments in Old Church Slavonic differs from the language written in “Church Slavonic” by 8 (eight) words. The letters used were the same. By the way, Kirill invented the Glagolitic alphabet.
    Quote: venaya
    The Slavs, or rather even “sklavene” (that is, slaves in Latin), appear in the XNUMXth century.

    The 6th century saw the earliest use of the word "glory" in sources other than the Slavs. For what reasons does the West make the word Slav and S synonymous?klav - understandable.
    Quote: venaya
    Question: why, before the appearance of the Slavs (even the Sklovens), in Rus' they wrote with letters called Russian (ancient Russian), and you call these letters Slavic.

    Please indicate after which of Russia the documents were preserved and where they are stored.
    Quote: venaya
    And when do you think the name of this set of letters was renamed?

    In the 20th century.
    This is the modern scientific name for both the alphabet and the language of the Kievan Rus manuscripts. The same language was written in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, which had two titular peoples, Litvins and Rusyns. By the way: scientists are still arguing about what language the ancient Litvins spoke (they are classified as Balts), but they wrote in “Russian”.
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    29 November 2015 20: 45
    Quote: Rivares
    Cyril and Methodius did not come up with anything. They from the Old Russian alphabet took those letters that they understood and created Church Slavonic.

    They designed the alphabet - Glagolitic. Church Slavonic is a language... - Eastern Bulgarian or Solunsky dialect of the Slavic language.
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      30 November 2015 08: 48
      Quote: Vlas Urban
      They designed the alphabet - Glagolitic.

      Christians created an alphabet for the Slavs - a link to Christians. Dissenters to the stake. Very convincing. Christians and company did not leave any other sources for their descendants. Everything is destroyed.

      Quote: Vlas Urban
      Church Slavonic is a language... - Eastern Bulgarian or Solunsky dialect of the Slavic language.

      How interesting, why not Bulgarian??? Didn't the Bulgarians have a written language?
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        30 November 2015 13: 04
        Quote: Rivares
        How interesting, why not Bulgarian??? Didn't the Bulgarians have a written language?


        good laughing
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        30 November 2015 17: 26
        "The Christians created an alphabet for the Slavs - a link to Christians. Those who disagreed to the stake. Very convincing. The Christians and the company did not leave any other sources for their descendants. Everything was destroyed." (With)

        Lump it all into one heap. The Arians, the Cathars and the Bogomils are all Christians. fellow

        The princes and the majority of the population of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania were pagans; Jagiello was baptized in 1385 much closer to our time than the times of the Solunsky brothers. And that there are many monuments left from the Litvins?

        P.S. Put the Cyrillic and Glagolitic alphabet next to each other and you will see - Glagolitic alphabet constructor. Maybe because of the acrophonic connections between pictography and phonetics.
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          1 December 2015 13: 10
          Quote: Vlas Urban
          P.S. Put the Cyrillic and Glagolitic alphabet next to each other and you will see - Glagolitic alphabet constructor. Maybe because of the acrophonic connection between pictography and phonetics.


          Exactly. I hope that scientists will soon get to the bottom of the truth.

          Artistic greetings on this topic smile :
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        30 November 2015 18: 01
        Does the presence of a language or dialect imply the presence of writing in parallel?
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          30 November 2015 20: 06
          Quote: Vlas Urban
          Put the Cyrillic and Glagolitic alphabet next to each other and you will see - Glagolitic alphabet constructor

          I put it down. Most of the images are similar to Old Russian, and phonetically very close. Numbers are also letters. The question arises: how did these faithful inventors and entertainers not introduce Roman or Arabic numerals, but leave numerical values ​​for the letters? And even multiples of 9 as in Old Russian???? Those. Did these prodigies from Greece also invent mathematics within the system of images they supposedly invented? Why didn't they describe it?
          Quote: Vlas Urban
          Does the presence of a language or dialect imply the presence of writing in parallel?

          Doesn't imply. But where Christians came, a hunt began, followed by the destruction of written sources (as an ungodly heresy) and replacing them with translations of the Bible. Therefore, trusting Christian sources is a dubious pleasure.
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    29 November 2015 21: 14
    Alas, but Bulgarians are not Slavs
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    29 November 2015 21: 43
    Quote: Atygay
    Alas, but Bulgarians are not Slavs

    What are they?
    We take the Sunday Abrakos translated by Cyril, which came down in the list in the form of the Assemanian Gospel of the 11th century. It's in Glagolitic. Here is a translation of the passage into Cyrillic.

    Samarin also eter grѧdy. and he came and saw the merciful one and passed around his straps. vzlivaѩ Olives and wine. and mount your own cattle. You will also take me to the hotel. and I lie down and eat. and went to the third place. Let's take two pennies. will give to the hotel. and I eat diligently in my speech. and wait until then. I will always give you back

    And why can’t this Bulgarian dialect be read in “Slavic”?
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      30 November 2015 12: 57
      Actually, the Bulgarians are descendants of the Thracians. Call them whatever you want, just don’t put them in the oven smile
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        30 November 2015 17: 58
        @Actually, the Bulgarians are descendants of the Thracians" (c)
        Yeah, all of them have blue eyes and blonde hair. laughing
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          30 November 2015 20: 17
          Genetics put everything in its place. Bulgarians are not much different genetically from Serbs.
          Genetically close Slavic branch.
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          1 December 2015 12: 41
          Quote: Vlas Urban
          @Actually, the Bulgarians are descendants of the Thracians" (c)
          Yeah, all of them have blue eyes and blonde hair. laughing


          laughing If we take into account the research of Danish scientists who came to the conclusion that the mutation that led to the appearance of BLUE eye color occurred from 6 to 10 thousand years ago in the BLACK SEA area, and only in ONE individual, by chance, or not by chance, then you could would conclude that in the Black Sea region all people must be light-eyed smile Is this so? In the Caucasus, southern Ukraine and southern Russia, in the Black Sea region, ALL blue-eyed blondes? No. And 30% of the population probably won’t be made up of fair-haired and light-eyed people. And you know perfectly well why - two parents with blue (blue, gray) eyes CANNOT have a child with brown eyes. But brown-eyed parents may well have a blue-eyed child. The northern peoples, having acquired light eyes in the Black Sea region, apparently moved north and did not communicate with the brown-eyed people smile That's why light-colored genes are so common among them. But those light-eyed people who remained to live in the south had at least one brown-eyed fellow tribesman, who, with his strong dominant gene, was able to widely spread his dark gene in a short time.

          And as for the Thracians, look at the drawings on the walls of the Thracian graves in Bulgaria - there are blonds and redheads, and those with brown and black hair. smile The description of the ancients that they were light and radiant can be compared with the Hellenes - against the background of the dark-haired and brown-eyed Hellenes, the Thracians were indeed fair smile And they looked radiant because of the large amount of gold jewelry that they loved to make and wear. But the Hellenes also depicted their gods as fair-haired, but it is not difficult to guess why - the Hellenes in “their” mythology also described many native Thracian gods - they adopted a lot from the Thracians.
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    29 November 2015 21: 59
    I know three exotic species of animals in Russia: the yoshkin cat, the plaque fly and the vigorous louse! Well, there's a fucking broad there.. smile Well, we can continue there, to the envy of the spiteful critics.
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    29 November 2015 22: 30
    How can we talk about everything even forgetting about the birthday girl. Happy birthday Yo-moyo!
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    29 November 2015 22: 33
    Slavs, or rather even “sklavene” (that is, slaves in Latin)

    I remember Yulian Semyonov, in his filthy newspaper, bubbling with bile with happiness, rubbed in - Russian slaves, for even what in the “civilized world” is called work, in slave Russia is called work, from the word slave.
    It is clear that the association of the word sclavus-slave, with the concept of Slav, is possible only in the period between the 6th and 10th centuries AD. - military happiness is changeable.
    We don’t consider the Krauts dumb, although we call them Germans; migrant migrant workers scouring the Russian principalities in search of work could not speak human language, for which they were nicknamed “dumb.”
    According to Vasmer, the word “work” in Slavic languages ​​was originally synonymous with the word “corvee”, i.e. on his own land the peasant is alone worked hard, and in corvée - he worked and worked.
    Only hired workers work.
    Free people work.
    So let’s drink (Narzan, of course) to the fact that the liberal bastard works hard on construction sites of the national economy (sunny Komi and the Far East), and you and I work.
    PS
    “In French, work is travail (travailler) from the Latin tripalium (lit. “three sticks”) - a kind of instrument for torture, which was in active use in the Middle Ages.
    In Spanish - trabajo (trabajar) - from the same Latin root and with the same connotation.
    In Portuguese - trabalho (trabalhare) - the same story as with French and Spanish."©
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      30 November 2015 14: 22
      But there is fine work, jewelry work, work of the mind, work on oneself, work with people. The work has a final result. But labor is endless and not always useful. Slave work. Sisyphus' work.
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    30 November 2015 13: 46
    http://wikimapia.org/19170199/ru/Памятник-букве-Ё
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    30 November 2015 14: 28
    Look, look:
    Five neighbors in the alphabet -
    Letters "G", "D", "E", "E", "F" -
    Everyone is sad about the hedgehog.
    Always thinking:
    "WHERE IS THE HEDGEHOG?"
    You won't console me, you won't calm me down...

    And further.

    Starting with the letter "Y" you will name
    Three words: Christmas tree, hedgehog and ruff.
    And everything is terribly caustic -
    And a hedgehog, and a ruff, and a Christmas tree.

    A. Shibaev.
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    30 November 2015 17: 27
    housewife Quote:
    But there is fine work, jewelry work, work of the mind, work on oneself, work with people. The work has a final result. But labor is endless and not always useful. Slave work. Sisyphus' work.

    They also say that “labor made a man out of a monkey”)))
    And, “work is not a wolf, it won’t run into the forest”
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      1 December 2015 14: 17
      Laziness is the engine of progress

      Progress is the engine of art and vice versa smile
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      2 December 2015 02: 29
      Well, that's right. Endless work as a process. A job is a specific job.
    3. 0
      2 December 2015 02: 29
      Well, that's right. Endless work as a process. A job is a specific job.