New Russian Aviation Ticket RVV-BD

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The latest Russian air-to-air missile RVV-BD will significantly increase the capabilities of the Russian aviation in destroying aerial targets, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

New Russian Aviation Ticket RVV-BD


The adoption of RVV-BD will allow Russian planes to shoot down at a considerable distance almost all existing aircraft, including the 5 generation fighter F-22 and F-35, as well as various types of cruise missiles.



According to the creators of the rocket - Vympel GosMCB (part of Tactical Missile Armament Corporation OJSC), “targets are destroyed at any time of the day, at all angles, including in the conditions of use of electronic countermeasures by the enemy surface, with a multichannel shelling on the principle of "let-forget". "



“The maximum launch range in the forward hemisphere reaches 200 km. The height of the targets hit from 15 m to 25 km. Affected aircraft can maneuver with overloads up to 8 g. The starting weight of the product 510 kg, while the mass of high-explosive fragmentation warhead - 60 kg. The wingspan is 0,72 m, the wingspan is 1,02 m, ”said the ICD.



According to the information, “an inertial missile guidance system with radio correction and active radar homing on the final part of the trajectory, the warhead is activated using radar active proximity and contact sensors of the target.”



The company stressed that RVV-BD is made entirely from Russian components.
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  1. +29
    28 November 2015 09: 00
    For PAK FA, apparently ..
    1. -4
      28 November 2015 09: 19
      Something made me laugh
      including 5th generation fighter aircraft F-22 and F-35

      F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h
      1. +30
        28 November 2015 09: 34
        1900 km / h is approximately 1,6 sound speeds. F35 - supersonic in fact. It is not the 5th generation for other reasons, I find it difficult to formulate, because I am afraid to be inaccurate. hi
        1. -26
          28 November 2015 10: 18
          I apologize for the inaccuracy, but I heard these data as it is not sad from our favorite Russian media.
        2. +40
          28 November 2015 10: 19
          5th generation the ability to fly on super sound without afterburner, which f-35 can not
          1. +3
            29 November 2015 17: 07
            And just that?
            Something flawed turned out to be a new generation! Neither to you super-maneuverability, nor to you new (at least at NATO) missiles, or to you new synecentric warning and control technologies.
            And then what kind of generation is this?
            What was shown in the USAF has long been implemented on other types of element base and by other means. Otto outstanding "hu yau", was it to finish the Su-27 glider or buy the drawings of the Yak-141?
            And if you throw off, this is with such enchanting blunders as the gearbox occupied by the weapons compartment in the Y / F -35 (with vertical takeoff), lower speed, difficult control of the nozzle. Also ugly catapult and helmet "virtual reality" on "Lightning2"!
            Yes, a lot can be said without me.
            And also consider that with external suspensions, it is UG - never STELS!
      2. 0
        28 November 2015 09: 46
        Respected! Did you teach physics at school? The speed of sound in the air is 330 m / s. If we multiply by 3600 seconds, we get 1188 km / h! And to be precise, there is the concept of "sound barrier", ie. movement in excess of the speed of sound. And there is no supersonic.
        1. +17
          28 November 2015 10: 17
          But about 1200 is the speed of sound near the earth. To indicate the speed of the aircraft, the speed of sound at an altitude of about 15 km is taken. There she is in the region of 1060.
        2. +6
          28 November 2015 10: 25
          The F-35 in the modification for the Marine Corps does not fly on supersonic, this "option" has been removed from it. So linkor9s21 is not entirely wrong.
        3. +18
          28 November 2015 10: 41
          Quote: kuz363
          And to be precise, there is the concept of "sound barrier", i.e. movement in excess of the speed of sound. And there is no supersonic.

          Called wanted to be smart and blurted out stupidity lol The concept of a sound barrier is not at all a movement with an excess of sound speed. As they say, it is better to remain silent and pass for clever, than to speak and dispel all doubts wink
      3. +3
        28 November 2015 09: 52
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly overboard, the maximum speed is 5

        The F-35 can fly at supersonic sound since supersonic sound starts at a speed of 1230 km / h, while the F-35, as you have noticed, has a maximum speed of 1900 km / h.
        1. +2
          28 November 2015 18: 35
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          The F-35 can fly at supersonic sound since supersonic sound starts at a speed of 1230 km / h, while the F-35, as you have noticed, has a maximum speed of 1900 km / h.

          The main thing is that he does not have cruising supersonic, as it turns out, which means that he cannot be ranked among the fifth generation ...
        2. +2
          29 November 2015 17: 17
          Yeah, you would not argue, but wrote with which max. pitch and angles of deviation of the steering surfaces can fly MiG-21 or MiG-23/27
          / 29 and with what UG?
          This is at equal speeds of 1500km / h. The discount will be on the suspension, warhead guns, the number of fuel and performance characteristics.
          And then let's compare, in my opinion, based on what I saw - an empty (not suspended) SU-25 with additional tanks, a larger fighter than "Lightning 2 Erzats"!
      4. -1
        28 November 2015 10: 20
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Yes, he can’t fly overboard

        Not only can, but also has the ability to cruise in supersonic sound without afterburner.
        1. +4
          28 November 2015 18: 14
          This is something new. Where does infa come from, if not secret? Does Lockheed Martin know? :)
        2. +3
          28 November 2015 19: 19
          Quote: Bayonet
          Not only can, but also has the ability to cruise in supersonic sound without afterburner.

          Maybe, but only for a short time! Conditionally! Strictly speaking, it cannot.
        3. +1
          30 November 2015 16: 27
          You are wrong and confused in definitions. To fly at supersonic sound - can. Perhaps even in the afterburner mode. But he does not possess the ability to cruise supersonic flight.
      5. -5
        28 November 2015 10: 28
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Something made me laugh
        including 5th generation fighter aircraft F-22 and F-35

        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly overboard, maximum speed 1900, for example, the Su-35s 2400 km / h

        For your information, this is 1,6 times EXCEEDS the speed of sound. If only on the calculator counted (I'm not talking about EXCEL) tongue
      6. 0
        28 November 2015 12: 09
        "F35 is a 5th generation fighter? Yes, it cannot fly at supersonic speed, the maximum speed is 1900, for example, the Su-35s has 2400"
        Actually, it turns out to be supersonic, since, if the memory does not change, the speed of sound is within 1200 km / h.
        1. -5
          29 November 2015 12: 37
          , if the memory does not change, the speed of sound is within 1200 km / h by itself in a gas environment

          Oops! then, by your logic, does sound have a certain speed in a gasless environment? :)
          1. +4
            29 November 2015 23: 15
            Sound also spreads in a solid, liquid environment .....
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      7. +4
        28 November 2015 19: 15
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h

        In addition to the fact that the F-35 does not have cruising supersonic, it also does not have invisibility! Since its internal compartments are capable of taking critically few ammunition (only 2 tons), the rest is only on the suspension, and this is goodbye to invisibility! That is, he is either invisible, but unarmed, or visible, armed.
      8. Mih
        0
        30 November 2015 00: 18
        So in the new military concept of air combat, speed is not so important. The main thing is the airborne radar. The sooner the enemy is discovered, the faster it will be destroyed. Because speed data and maneuverability of the car go by the wayside. Electronics and rockets. love
        1. 0
          30 November 2015 11: 04
          "The main thing is the onboard radar."
          I don’t understand something. I thought that the main thing was integration into battle control systems. And accordingly, the ability to passively obtain the coordinates of targets, etc.
      9. 0
        30 November 2015 16: 07
        And what speed of sound in the air is yours?
    2. +3
      28 November 2015 09: 32
      For all, most likely)))
      1. -9
        28 November 2015 10: 16
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Something made me laugh
        including 5th generation fighter aircraft F-22 and F-35
        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h
        This supersonic was given to you. It has an advanced filling. Therefore, it is also the 5th generation. Our T-50s are trying to get closer to the same solution.
        1. +3
          28 November 2015 12: 14
          cannot catch up with or fly away from anyone, 5 generation ..
          1. +2
            28 November 2015 19: 37
            oh well crap this fu-35 laughing Maybe there are flaws, they will finish, maybe they will finalize. (well, if not!) they will print a hundred lard of dead presidents, buy even better scientists and finalize. Well, at least paper and green paint in the usa have not yet transferred
            1. +2
              29 November 2015 17: 23
              Well, yes Northrop - Grumant has developed a good lightweight STELS attack aircraft "A-12" to replace the "deck" of the Skyhawk successor. No, it was simply poured into the toilet, for the sake of the heirs of the mastodons F-4 / F-14 / F-111! And they gave the XB-42B program to the mountain as an indulgence!
        2. +1
          28 November 2015 18: 16
          Do you reliably know the composition of the side of both ?? Do not make me laugh...
        3. 0
          29 November 2015 23: 17
          Nonsense! We are going our own way. And let our electronics of greater weight and volume, but - it works!
    3. +12
      28 November 2015 10: 15
      As far as I can tell, RVV-DB with a range of 200km is export rocket. The range of a similar rocket for ones loved ones is rumored to reach 400-450km.

      Firstly: in one of the interviews, the head of the KTRV hinted, saying that we still had the best practices for the modernization of the R-37 rocket. We plan to increase the range by 1,5 times (the R-37 flew 300km even with the Union).

      Secondly: in another interview (and maybe in the same, but not the essence), he also said the following: "In the world, it is customary to consider long-range air-to-air missiles with a range of over 100 km. In our country, today's medium-range missiles fly almost 200 km." Here, by the way, we can assume that RVV-SD with a range of 110 km is also for export.

      hi
      1. +5
        28 November 2015 10: 58
        RVV-DB looks a lot like K – 37
        1. +3
          28 November 2015 14: 33
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          RVV-DB looks a lot like K – 37

          This is the P-37.
      2. +2
        28 November 2015 14: 33
        Quote: Wiruz
        . The range of a similar rocket for ones loved ones is rumored to reach 400-450km.

        This KS-172 flies on 400 km, and P-37 (aka RVV-DB) can fly on 300 km
      3. +2
        29 November 2015 15: 19
        Quote: Wiruz
        As far as I can tell, RVV-DB with a range of 200km is export rocket. The range of a similar rocket for ones loved ones is rumored to reach 400-450km.

        hi


        Who will do targeting at 450km?
        Have you thought about this?

        Again about magic devices, there are the same ones, but which we won’t show you ...
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    4. +2
      28 November 2015 11: 08
      Quote: AlexTires
      For PAK FA, apparently ..

      For PAK, the FA should be square in cross section. And the weight is too big: about half a ton.
      1. +4
        28 November 2015 11: 57
        Jurkovs (1) RU Today, 11:08 AM

        For PAK, the FA should be square in cross section. And the weight is too big: about half a ton.


        I agree with you. Separate missiles are being developed for the PAK FA, for the possibility of using weapons from the compartment.
    5. +4
      28 November 2015 11: 37
      Quote: AlexTires
      For PAK FA, apparently ..

      If only for hanging pylons, and not in the internal compartments. But rather, I think, for the SU-35/30, or for the MIG-31 hi
    6. +1
      28 November 2015 17: 01
      Quote: AlexTires
      For PAK FA, apparently ..

      I doubt it is overly heavy.
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    8. +1
      29 November 2015 14: 30
      Well, not for the F-16 for sure!)))
    9. 0
      30 November 2015 09: 02
      all! Download and send to the Syrian-Turkish border! ;-)
  2. +7
    28 November 2015 09: 01
    An impressive rocket, just to protect our aircraft in Syria.
    1. +17
      28 November 2015 09: 02
      The missile is just right for "their" planes in Syria.

      Well, our protection, of course hi - that now, as we see the same thing, it turned out that we are opposed and threatened even in the air!

      Really the second Vietnam. sad

  3. +8
    28 November 2015 09: 11
    Ah, that China has a suspiciously silent partner.
    1. +2
      28 November 2015 09: 51
      And what is it - a partner ???
      1. +2
        28 November 2015 10: 39
        Well, apparently a partner is any enemy who temporarily does not bring down our planes ...

        But China is not a partner. China is a brother! laughing

        And relatives, as you know, much is forgiven, whatever they may be ...
        1. +8
          28 November 2015 10: 53
          I didn’t understand, but for what merit of partners did the brothers begin to write down? Is it not Daman !?
          1. +2
            28 November 2015 13: 17
            There has almost never been a war between Russia and China, and a conflict with Damansky is the exception rather than the rule. Korea, Vietnam - everywhere our countries acted on one side of the barricades.
            1. +3
              28 November 2015 16: 00
              Of course, you should not deceive yourself - no China is a brother - but for thousands of years a geopolitical opponent of the Great Steppe (and therefore Eurasia - the steppe is an integral part of it. And Eurasia is a union of the steppes and Orthodox Slavs (or their ancestors in the days of Atilla, etc.) - and tsarist Russia and the USSR - and now the EAC - CSTO)

              But in the coming 30-40 years, China and I seem to have an alliance against the West, so at this time it can be seen as a situational ally against a more terrible external enemy. But you can’t give it to Mongolia and not part of Central Asia - everything should move to the EAC - at least as a zone of interests
              1. -3
                29 November 2015 13: 03
                As one American expert said (and I think he’s absolutely right): the question is not whether China will attack Russia or not, the question is WHEN TO ATTACK.
                1. 0
                  30 November 2015 15: 15
                  1969 year. Damansky.
                  Already attacked.
            2. +1
              30 November 2015 11: 42
              Yes, but they steal the forest from us. Somehow, not fraternally ...
              1. +1
                30 November 2015 12: 43
                theft is theft. Article 158 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. there is a secret theft of another's property.
                they just calmly take out what they are allowed to take out. Are the Chinese to blame for the fact that a number of not good people of Russian origin are ready to sell everything that is possible?
                are the Chinese to blame that Medvedev signed a decree on the transfer of smuggling from criminal to administrative?
                the Chinese are guilty of the fact that wherever Yura Trutnev, the president’s presidential representative in the Far East, holds out his hands, the forest disappears like a plague.
                all of us are to blame, but not part of us .. corrupt.
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          2. 0
            1 December 2015 05: 22
            After such brothers run through the garden, so the potato then does not grow for eight years .....
        2. +9
          28 November 2015 18: 09
          Quote: BMP-2
          Well, apparently a partner is any enemy who temporarily does not bring down our planes ...

          But China is not a partner. China is a brother! laughing

          And relatives, as you know, much is forgiven, whatever they may be ...


          No friends or brothers in politics! Help will be if interests coincide!
          I'm talking about the ruling elite! Belarusians brothers? Yes! But Lukash is not, and will betray instantly if he smells fried! Where is the odkb? No .....
          If only they would send a soldier, such as a coalition .....
          Horseradish! Who the thread recognized Abkhazia and Ossetia? Horseradish!
          We are alone, as always! Brothers with us appear when all the people are in the district
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        4. +2
          29 November 2015 12: 50
          But China is not a partner. China is a brother
          -------------------------------------------
          Can we remove the pink glasses already? Turkey -friends, Egypt-friends, China-friends. Well, we all climbed and climb to kiss.
          China friends ...
          China is like an entomologist squatting in front of an anthill, personifying the rest of the world's population. The attitude of the Chinese towards other countries is viewed through the prism of their enormous conceit, how come! the oldest civilization on earth! All the rest for them is in the recent past, backward savages. Therefore, first of all, pragmatism in relation to everything. Type: what can we fuck with ants? only ant alcohol. Even if they bite, it’s not a problem, the ants are unconscious. And help the ants? Well, as long as there is a benefit from them, Let them be awakened And goosebumps move them with joy with joy, like a friend like that.
          1. 0
            1 December 2015 05: 24
            Such "brothers" will run through the garden and then the potatoes do not grow for eight years ...
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        5. 0
          29 November 2015 16: 13
          But about relatives in more detail, please. How about Ukraine - will it look your way?
        6. +1
          30 November 2015 15: 12
          The cut outposts, Damansky, and so on have forgotten?
          They are all female dogs.
      2. +21
        28 November 2015 11: 25
        Quote: Platonitch
        And what is it - a partner ???

        This is a term from sexology that slowly flowed into other areas of human activity ...
        At the same time, it is critically important to be in an "active position", otherwise - sadness. laughing
    2. +18
      28 November 2015 09: 53
      Russian philosophy: "They beat ours! Where? !!! They’ve run there soon! Chinese philosophy: If you sit on the river for a long time, you can see how the corpse of your enemy swims. This should be taken into account when negotiating with a partner laughing
      1. +7
        28 November 2015 10: 32
        Quote: Dilshat
        Chinese philosophy: If you sit on the river for a long time, you can see how the corpse of your enemy swims. This should be taken into account when negotiating with a partner.
        Chinese pacifism and detachment is a big myth. It’s enough to see how they implement their investment policy. In Djibouti, it’s opening its naval base. China invests a lot in Africa and is going to defend its investments by force of arms. And history does not know any other political tool.
      2. 0
        30 November 2015 15: 17
        This is one of the philosophies, Taoism seems to be.
        And they are far from all of them.
    3. +6
      28 November 2015 10: 20
      Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!
      1. +7
        28 November 2015 10: 23
        Quote: maiman61
        Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!

        Already before the holes they erased utu phrase !!! Anything else fancy enough? request
        1. +3
          28 November 2015 13: 00
          But what if it's true?
          1. +1
            28 November 2015 15: 04
            Quote: architect
            But what if it's true?

            Decent people at the present time say, there are no allies, except you yourself know whom. lol I did not remember the author, but I really liked it.
      2. +12
        28 November 2015 11: 18
        Quote: maiman61
        Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!
        This is not good. The USSR has all of Eastern Olropa, BV, Vietnam, regimes in Africa, Cuba is the pearl of our foreign policy !!! Now some other times have come. Even Belarus did not recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia. With sarcasm, I will add that : Russia has no partners and allies, except for the army and the navy and Vanuatu. The fact that we no longer wash our boots in the Caribbean and in other sensitive parts of the world cannot be attributed to Gorbach. Go crazy! The entire elite of the current state of Mali is Russian "balalaket", because. studied here. And our Ministry of Foreign Affairs does nothing. Ukraine was "overslept", foreign business, and orders are regularly received for serving the fatherland.
        1. -7
          28 November 2015 12: 53
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          ! All the elite of the current state of Mali in Russian "balalak", because. studied here. And our Ministry of Foreign Affairs does nothing. Ukraine was "overslept", foreign business, and orders are regularly received for serving the fatherland.



          That's right ... Something our Mead shredded at all. Mostly empty statements. Apparently Lavrov was tired.
        2. 0
          30 November 2015 15: 20
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          .Ukraine "overslept"

          Well, these moron bros themselves are to blame, they are sick of it for 25 years.

          But Cuba, Mali, Egypt and others, yes, our cant.
      3. 0
        28 November 2015 20: 54
        Quote: maiman61
        Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!

        There are partners, but there are no allies. The army is Russia.
  4. +3
    28 November 2015 09: 12
    Good thing you did. And then I heard conversations about the "trio" RVV-MD, -SD and -BD for a long time, but so far it was heard no more than that RVV-SD is an improved version of R-77.

    By the way, in the photo next to her is the X-35 in aviation performance, like)
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    2. gjv
      +6
      28 November 2015 10: 11
      Quote: Stroibat stock
      By the way, in the photo next to her is the X-35 in an aviation version, like

      X-35UE - export version of the X-35U - unified. A new turbofan engine, twice smaller in size, was used, the design of the air channel was changed, which allowed to increase the fuel supply. These measures led to a twofold increase in the maximum range of rocket firing - up to 260 km. The missile uses a new combined guidance system, which, in addition to the previously used inertial and active radar homing systems, also satellite navigation. The upgraded active-passive radar homing head "Gran-K" allows you to capture targets at a distance of 50 km, against 20 km from the basic version. The turning range reached 130 °. It has ship, helicopter, coast and aircraft based. The flight altitude is 10-15 meters on the marching section and 3-4 on reaching the target. The mass of the warhead is 145 kg. hi
      1. +2
        28 November 2015 22: 00
        Thank you very much for clarifying hi
  5. +13
    28 November 2015 09: 15
    Quote: Dr. Lecturer
    Ah, that China has a suspiciously silent partner.

    And they are doing well. From the outside they watch, watch how the heavyweights "fight" in the Middle East.
    China benefits in the long run so that one superpower becomes smaller, or so that both disappear.
    Ordinary Chinese pragmatism.
    Somewhere, they will need to place their citizens, they need to feed something, huge resources are needed, both financial and natural.
    Russia and the United States have enormous amounts of these resources.
    1. +8
      28 November 2015 09: 23
      it is also beneficial for us that it has become less by one power ... China or the United States, no matter
      1. +1
        28 November 2015 09: 32
        Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
        it is also beneficial for us that it has become less by one power ... China or the United States, no matter

        To do this, we must pursue an appropriate foreign policy.
        1. +6
          28 November 2015 09: 49
          To do this, we must pursue an appropriate foreign policy.

          Are you proposing to quarrel with China? Or maybe team up with someone to "befriend" against China? It's great that we have normal relations with this country today. China has begun to play an important role in the international arena. And what is being observed from the side, so if possible, and we would do so. Politics.
          1. +1
            29 November 2015 11: 07
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Are you proposing to quarrel with China? Or maybe team up with someone to "befriend" against China?

            Love China, I do not forbid you, but one day you will wake up in the territory quietly occupied by China. Not when the population living in the Far East and Siberia did not glow with love for such a neighbor.
            But to swear is the simplest, it is the modern policy of Russia, then we run into the Jewish Union destroying our economy, then back in front of our screech. Russia is only losing from such a policy, while China, on the contrary, is moving quietly toward its intended goal, and the winner is not judged. It doesn’t matter how he won, even if he just watched from the side how his neighbors annihilated each other in the war.
            And the simplest question is, why is China not helping us in Syria? We're friends. hi
    2. +6
      28 November 2015 09: 27
      Now we are also driving the Su-35 to China ... Then again, we say that we did not expect the military from a strategic partner. Again we are preparing for an adventure.
      1. +5
        28 November 2015 10: 24
        The article was that we are selling an aircraft in Russian configuration to China! In business! And China does not even lift a little finger, help us!
    3. +6
      28 November 2015 09: 36
      Yes, China can also hit in the back like Turkey. If there will be a benefit.
      1. +3
        28 November 2015 10: 40
        Quote: kuz363
        Yes, China can also hit in the back like Turkey. If there will be a benefit.

        The confrontation is already happening, but not on the Amur, but in Middle Asia. China is fighting with its investments. And is honing its superpower sickle. It's just that the time for mowing has not come yet. Here is a reaper and is trying to pose as a sloppiness.
    4. -1
      28 November 2015 10: 44
      Do not remember God (Russia) in vain)))
  6. -2
    28 November 2015 09: 27
    It’s time to use them already, for the same F-16 at least))
    1. +7
      28 November 2015 11: 29
      Quote: Mr Shrek
      It’s time to use them already, for the same F-16 at least))

      To get started, take into service and create a reserve (reserve), at least for one batch. And then swing your club, you restless ours!
      1. 0
        28 November 2015 19: 45
        Actually, I meant a test in practice, and not just right into a battle with a bare backside.
        TTX painfully good.
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  8. +4
    28 November 2015 09: 32
    I wonder when this munition on the conveyor will be?
    1. +4
      28 November 2015 10: 45
      By the way, YES! Su-35, with the body kit of these missiles in Syria --- then order! good And there were already a lot of pictures from the exhibition. What, in fact, gentlemen-comrades ..?
      1. +2
        28 November 2015 13: 24
        Damn, what an airplane game! Su-35 plane is excellent, no words. But for all that Caudle that the "partners" of the 35s can collect there, we will not have enough. Kohl ten for one will begin to attack.
    2. +7
      29 November 2015 12: 39
      Quote: Nehist
      I wonder when this munition on the conveyor will be?

      Never, you have a wrong idea about the assembly process of rockets request Rockets are not cars, they are assembled like this.

      Moreover, both with us and with the "partners".
  9. +2
    28 November 2015 09: 32
    I am always happy with the achievements of our defense industry. I think the probable opponent is also happy.
  10. +3
    28 November 2015 09: 33
    Why 60 kg of warhead? It would be enough 10-15 kg, like the American Sidewinder. Well 20 kg. And due to extra pounds it was possible to increase the range or add equipment. But still 200 km is impressive. This is at the level of S-300 or S-400!
    1. +8
      28 November 2015 10: 13
      I think the designers know better. They are not fools either.
    2. +7
      28 November 2015 11: 36
      Quote: kuz363
      Why 60 kg warhead? It would be enough 10-15 kg, like the American Sidewinder. Well 20 kg.
      Everything depends on the accuracy. If there is a pilot under the seat, then 2kg is enough, in the nozzle of the engine - 6kg, and when 60 ... so there’s exactly a calculation for HB and rod damaging elements ...
      Or maybe it’s for the best: you don’t really need to bother with accuracy yet. And nobody canceled the modernization. Then you can remember the accuracy, and reduce the weight of the warhead, and increase the range, or the power and speed of the seeker dramatically improve ...
    3. +1
      28 November 2015 13: 23
      A good mass of warheads. The thermonuclear charge and links of the adversaries did not exist. At such a range.
      1. 0
        30 November 2015 15: 23
        YES and ordinary, with damaging elements can crumble a lot if they fly heaped.
    4. 0
      28 November 2015 18: 23
      I remember that the Su-15TM Osipovich spent both R-98s on Korean Boeing. Both hit, but with difficulty knocked down. And there the warhead was 40 kg each.
      1. +4
        29 November 2015 12: 09
        Remember bad. Osipovich launched one, R-98T. And what does it mean - "knocked down with difficulty"? Finished off with a shovel?
        1. 0
          30 November 2015 09: 54
          Well, you should at least check the information before arguing :(
          "At 18:26 an order was received from the ground to destroy the intruder, and a Su-15 fighter shot down the airliner, firing two R-98 air-to-air missiles at the target from a distance of 5 kilometers."
          1. 0
            30 November 2015 15: 25
            The text in quotation marks does not equal the proof. This time, second, released or hit? This is important and also not equivalent.
          2. 0
            30 November 2015 19: 10
            Quote: vladimir_krm
            Well, you should at least check the information before arguing :(
            "At 18:26 an order was received from the ground to destroy the intruder, and a Su-15 fighter shot down the airliner, firing two R-98 air-to-air missiles at the target from a distance of 5 kilometers."
            Do not trust Wikipedia unconditionally. Different sources indicate that the "first missile" missed, then hit the Boeing's tail, then the number of missiles fired is generally hushed up. Also, Wikipedia says "Gennady Osipovich notes that the shots were made by armor-piercing, and not tracer shells (they simply were not there)". The fact is that containers with guns GS-23L had a ribbon with 250 shells, these ribbons came from the factory equipped. They were equipped - armor-piercing incendiary, high-explosive fragmentation incendiary and high-explosive fragmentation incendiary-tracer
  11. +2
    28 November 2015 09: 34
    ".... active radar homing at the end of the trajectory," .. You were not expecting us .. but we pinned (flew in)
  12. +3
    28 November 2015 09: 37
    Taking into account modern realities, it is necessary that in the manufacturing process the inscriptions are immediately applied: "moderate", "humane" - this, in addition to the political result, will reduce the combat effectiveness of the missile to the required tolerance values
    1. +3
      28 November 2015 11: 02
      For different types of opposition, different stickers - "moderate", "radical", "for ISIS", "for Al-Nusra", "for Erdogan", "for Obama." But a scandal can happen if someone receives someone else's parcel,
  13. +11
    28 November 2015 09: 44
    Quote: Linkor9s21
    F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h

    For the gifted. Supersonic speed if roughly starts at a speed of 1200 km / h ...

    Quote: AlexTires
    For PAK FA, apparently ..

    Actually for the MIG-31BM. The dimensions of the rocket do not provide its placement in the internal compartments of the T-50 / PAK FA

    Quote: Teberii
    An impressive rocket, just to protect our aircraft in Syria.

    Do we already have a MIG-31 BM in Syria ??? And for what??
    What kind of habit, like some new or modernized weaponry - is it so necessary to Syria?

    Explain why you need an air-to-air missile with a range of 300 km? Which to the goal is 10 minutes ??? Moreover, there are no carriers for it? Maybe it’s better to equip the planes in Syria with short- and medium-range missiles, and leave long-range interceptors in Russia?

    Quote: Stroibat stock
    Ok what did

    Yes. at last. And then test launches were carried out already since 1988. In the 90s dragged to the air show ...
    1. +1
      28 November 2015 09: 59
      Quote: Old26
      Yes. at last. And then test launches were carried out already since 1988. In the 90s dragged to the air show ...

      According to the information, “an inertial missile guidance system with radio correction and active radar homing on the final part of the trajectory, the warhead is activated using radar active proximity and contact sensors of the target.”

      According to the creators of the rocket - Vympel GosMCB (part of Tactical Missile Armament Corporation OJSC), “targets are destroyed at any time of the day, at all angles, including in the conditions of use of electronic countermeasures by the enemy surface, with a multichannel shelling on the principle of "let-forget". "

      How does this all combine "radar guidance and immunity to electronic warfare?"
      1. +3
        28 November 2015 12: 46
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        How does this all combine "radar guidance and immunity to electronic warfare?"
        Elementary, Watson! (C)
        Make it with 2's channel head: ARL + IR; PRLS / ARLS + UV, etc. (RK + IR / UV, for example).
        1. +1
          28 November 2015 19: 49
          Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
          Make it with 2's channel head: ARL + IR; PRLS / ARLS + UV, etc. (RK + IR / UV, for example).

          I hope the enemies do not know this algorithm.
        2. 0
          29 November 2015 21: 05
          Elementary, Watson! (C)

          I doubt very much ... that is elementary ...
          Your suggestions about ARL + IR; PRLS / ARLS + UV, RK + IR / UV ... Modern protection systems are easily counteracted ... For example, all channels associated with light radiation in your terminology are IR, UV can be added here and VISIBLE light is damaged by laser radiation when approaching goals ... Now, such systems are mounted on helicopters in Syria ... therefore they fly freely and low almost without fear of any arrows and stingers ... Further, the ARL, PRLS, ARLS, and RK are blocked by the electronic warfare of the aircraft (although there are some difficulties with frequencies and encodings, but it doesn’t matter IF SILENCING USE) There is a struggle between armor and shell and it looks like the ARMOR CAN BE CREATED IN PRINCIPLE UNBREAKABLE ...
  14. +2
    28 November 2015 09: 45
    New Russian Aviation Ticket RVV-BD

    There is!!! Created RVV-BeDu wassat for different f-16s there and others! Now for anyone there is Bede on the nose! lol
    And what’s most interesting and maybe even the main thing is:
    "Targets are destroyed at any time of the day, at all angles, including when the enemy is using electronic countermeasures, against the background of the earth and water surface, with multichannel shelling on the" let it go ".

    good wink Now no cattle run away with impunity! bully
    1. +3
      28 November 2015 10: 04
      Quote: gg.na
      There is!!! Created RVV-BeDu for different f-16s there and others!

      This is not against the F-16, but against transporters, tankers, AWACS and other slow-moving low-speed targets with a huge EPR. I mean at max range ...
      1. gjv
        0
        28 November 2015 10: 29
        Quote: Mera Joota
        I mean at max range ...

        Of course it depends on the course / angle. And then in speed and F-16 will catch up ...
  15. +1
    28 November 2015 09: 47
    Quote: 1976AG
    Now we are also driving the Su-35 to China ... Then again, we say that we did not expect the military from a strategic partner. Again we are preparing for an adventure.

    It is hoped that by the time the Chinese have mastered the Su-35s, we will manage to get the T-50 ourselves ...
    1. +1
      28 November 2015 10: 03
      And in what quantities? 1-2 squadrons until 2020? And then, if possible. It will not be enough.
  16. +3
    28 November 2015 09: 48
    Quote: gg.na
    Now no cattle run away with impunity!

    Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference
    1. 0
      28 November 2015 10: 00
      I am sure that in addition to the active radar seeker, there are 3-4 more homing systems, well, missiles of all classes with one homing system are not being created today, read the literature ...
    2. +1
      28 November 2015 10: 07
      Active GOS ... AT THE END PLOT ... therefore, it is assumed that there is no time to escape from the guests ...
    3. +7
      28 November 2015 12: 52
      Quote: Old26
      Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference
      Volodya, and in a 2-channel version: ARLS / PRLS or ARLS + IR / UV? I don’t know for sure about aviation (whether the weight is allowed or not), but about the anti-ship missiles - done, and flies to the "joy" of the foe! Again, Harpoons ... so these nasty things are now patrolling and, if they miss the second circle, they come in, asps!
    4. 0
      28 November 2015 14: 37
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: gg.na
      Now no cattle run away with impunity!

      Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference

      I would say "can escape "
  17. 0
    28 November 2015 09: 56
    I should try on kebabs in the Syrian sky
  18. +1
    28 November 2015 09: 57
    All their own, it pleases !!! good
  19. +1
    28 November 2015 09: 58
    This creature is a big hello for F-Series aircraft! Due to the fight against terrorism, not only in Syria, but also in Turkey, this is very important!
    1. +3
      28 November 2015 10: 09
      This creation vryatli will be used against aircraft of the F series (or very rarely), a little expensive. But against series B, AWACS is it.
  20. +3
    28 November 2015 10: 10
    Again. RVV-DB is adopted, or not?
  21. +1
    28 November 2015 10: 11
    "The height of the targets hit from 15 m to 25 km. The affected aircraft can maneuver with an overload of up to 8 g. "...

    Not bad ... Now - to the troops, in full measure ...
  22. +1
    28 November 2015 10: 15
    Something is not enough 200 km, s-37 300 km but what about ks-172 400 km?
    1. +3
      28 November 2015 10: 35
      Most likely this is the performance characteristics of the export rocket. The missiles "for the sebe" are just made on the basis of the R-37, they stuttered about the range of 450 km.

      Well, you can forget about KS-172. The Indians had to sponsor its development, it was just for their Su-30MKI that was intended. They planned like 400km - to us, 300km - to the Indians. Looks like something has not grown together request
    2. 0
      28 November 2015 14: 38
      Quote: Lex.
      Something is not enough 200 km, s-37 300 km but what about ks-172 400 km?

      200 kilometers is for export. For myself there will be P-37 with a range of 300 km and X-172 with a range of 400 km
  23. 0
    28 November 2015 10: 25
    Some kind of fiction. I can’t even believe it.
  24. +4
    28 November 2015 10: 43
    Quote: sailor Roman
    I am sure that in addition to the active radar seeker, there are 3-4 more homing systems, well, missiles of all classes with one homing system are not being created today, read the literature ...

    Can you tell me what other homing systems can simultaneously be on a rocket? Especially in the amount of 3-4 pieces. It would be interesting to hear about such know-how ...

    Quote: Lex.
    Something is not enough 200 km, s-37 300 km but what about ks-172 400 km?

    200 km, as I heard, is an export version of the K-37ME rocket. For the Russian Air Force - a range of 300 km. KS-172 - it seems like you can put an end to it. The program is hardly a priority.
    1. 0
      30 November 2015 15: 29
      Quote: Old26
      Can you tell me what other homing systems can simultaneously be on a rocket?


      Optically electronic?
      But there, in theory, you need to show her a picture and say face. Otherwise, just fly and hit-and-hit what is the first to see.
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  26. +1
    28 November 2015 10: 45
    Chickens are counted in autumn, and one more proverb like "... Count the hay in haystacks, and ... (and then each will add according to his own understanding)"! Let's not rush to conclusions before "putting" these devices into operation!
  27. +17
    28 November 2015 11: 15
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    By the way, YES! Su-35, with the body kit of these missiles in Syria --- then order! good And there were already a lot of pictures from the exhibition. What, in fact, gentlemen-comrades ..?


    And let us also them on MI-24 will put ??? What a pancake for mania, like children in a sandbox pulling everything in their mouths, so here. We didn’t have time to write about a new (conditionally) rocket - as there were calls: "TO SYRIA !!!!!!" or "Give them to the SU-35 in Syria !!!" am
    Damn, guys, but maybe enough to suck dreams out of your finger? it MILITARY REVIEW or site WHO SAYS MUCH MORE? It seems - the second. Something REVIEWS I don’t see in the comments, only urya-urya и give-give.

    Rocket designed for long interception. To intercept strategic bombers, strategic reconnaissance aircraft and AWACS. The carrier is MIG-31BM.
    So no, they are trying to hook on everyone. Su-35 in the amount of 2-3 dozen in its own air force and there in Syria NAFIG not needed. So no. Around the SU-35 with R-37M missiles and into Syria
  28. +1
    28 November 2015 11: 34
    I wonder how far behind friends we are because of the Ocean. As they said on the website, our Su 24s were shot down with a new short-range missile with a head that remembers the silhouette of the target. Do we have these, and can we fight them?
  29. +2
    28 November 2015 13: 02
    Quote: AlexTires
    For PAK FA, apparently ..

    Well, you need to live up to the PAK FA (if the engine is promised in 2018). The missile is made under the carrier. Of the available MiG-31s, for the long-range missile B-B, it has a powerful own radar and target designation systems from the ground or from the A-50 AWACS. hi
  30. 0
    28 November 2015 13: 53
    It is desirable that she could work on sea targets.
  31. +2
    28 November 2015 13: 56
    Quote: shans2
    cannot catch up with or fly away from anyone, 5 generation ..
    5 generation! A generation of helpless trash at sky-high prices! Oak crap, buy 35 XHlam generation!
    You put on the MiG-35 and Su-35 the normal headlight and all the properties of the stealth of the vaunted junk, as it were removed by hand. And with its detection range and with all sorts of goodies, not one will overcome our border.
  32. 0
    28 November 2015 15: 18
    Quote: Manul
    Quote: architect
    But what if it's true?

    Decent people at the present time say, there are no allies, except you yourself know whom. lol I did not remember the author, but I really liked it.

    So say those "decent" who have money in Western banks.
  33. 0
    28 November 2015 15: 55
    Well, we know how to make good rockets means not crooked hands
  34. 0
    28 November 2015 18: 40
    more goods! good and different ... nothing more to say. well done!
  35. 0
    28 November 2015 20: 26
    Missile velocity was not indicated. Apparently secret information. Just wondering if catching up will go well?
  36. 0
    28 November 2015 20: 55
    Quote: maiman61
    Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!

    In general, as far as I remember, the phrase sounded somewhat differently from the lips you yourself know whom: Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy

    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: Old26
    Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference
    Volodya, and in a 2-channel version: ARLS / PRLS or ARLS + IR / UV? I don’t know for sure about aviation (whether the weight is allowed or not), but about the anti-ship missiles - done, and flies to the "joy" of the foe! Again, Harpoons ... so these nasty things are now patrolling and, if they miss the second circle, they come in, asps!

    Sasha! ARLS and PRLS - the EMNIP option has already been implemented, only now I can’t say on which product. IR / UV in conjunction with ARLS is unrealistic. If an ARLS antenna is placed under the head fairing, then there is no place for the optical infrared seeker system, which is a mirror-lens lens. And vice versa

    The "Harpoons" still have something different. The speeds are not the same.

    Quote: Vadim12
    Missile velocity was not indicated. Apparently secret information. Just wondering if catching up will go well?

    You mean RVV-BD, it’s K-37M, it’s R-37M? Speed 6M
    1. 0
      28 November 2015 22: 30
      > You mean RVV-BD, aka K-37M, aka R-37M? Speed ​​6M

      6M over the entire flight distance?

      And we are also told that hypersonic missiles are still in the process of testing.
  37. +2
    29 November 2015 05: 39
    Well, glad, our missile weapons developers are not standing still. It would be in production, but the plant (s) in 3 shift.
  38. 0
    29 November 2015 08: 18
    now for more ...
  39. +2
    29 November 2015 09: 25
    Quote: xtur
    6M over the entire flight distance?

    Well, of course not. How do you imagine such a process that the whole distance? The rocket generates fuel and the speed accordingly begins to fall. By what value when reaching a maximum range of 300 km - I do not know ...

    Quote: xtur
    And we are also told that hypersonic missiles are still in the process of testing.

    You are confusing something. This has never been said with regard to both aircraft missiles and ballistic ones. Most often we are talking about cruise missiles, which for a long time should go at hypersonic speeds. There really are none

    Quote: LERTZ
    Well, glad, our missile weapons developers are not standing still. It would be in production, but the plant (s) in 3 shift.

    Desire - things are good, but opportunities ... Remember, as in a toast: let’s drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities.
    So it is here. The factory that produces them does not work alone. There is cooperation and quite large. And what is the point of a three-shift missile production plant if a plant that supplies fuel or a homing head, for example, can produce only one shift ??? Here it is necessary to raise the whole industry ...
    1. 0
      29 November 2015 21: 31
      thanks for the answers!

      > Of course not. How do you imagine such a process that the entire distance?

      to dispel doubts, I asked you. So I certainly understand that the flight range and high speed throughout, things are the opposite, but to hear confirmation, I, nevertheless, would not be amiss

      > You are confusing something. This has never been said about both aircraft missiles and ballistic missiles.

      it was a rhetorical question on my part.
  40. 0
    29 November 2015 10: 41
    Of course, I rejoice when ours show and use new weapons. But! I have a question. We were told that the sky over Syria is closed. Aviation is more powerful than ever. So how did the Turkmens bring down our SU?
    What was not a missile strike warning? Did the pilots not pay attention to the radar exposure of the Turkmen? Vile from behind. So Adolf attacked vilely. But in reality it turned out that they were not ready for a war about which everyone knew and had numerical superiority in manpower and equipment.
    A military man should not believe anyone but his superiors. After all, the pilots could make a missile defense, or use special equipment on board to fail missile guidance systems. Can someone explain to me, not the aviator, how this could happen?
    1. +1
      29 November 2015 11: 03
      If the fighters covered the bombers,
      then he would have managed to warn them about the launch of a rocket.
      Although it is difficult to dodge this type of short-range missiles.
      they are very maneuverable and go to the IR image of the plane,
      not heat.
      Maybe the Su-35 could use rotary nozzles,
      but the Su-24 is unlikely.
      1. +1
        29 November 2015 11: 53
        Is IR not warm? I have always thought that IR means infrared.
  41. 0
    29 November 2015 11: 50
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    Quote: Linkor9s21
    F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly overboard, the maximum speed is 5

    The F-35 can fly at supersonic sound since supersonic sound starts at a speed of 1230 km / h, while the F-35, as you have noticed, has a maximum speed of 1900 km / h.

    1. What does supersonic have to do with it? Or the RVV-DB missile can only hit targets flying at supersonic sound?
    2. PAK-FA was created as an adversary of the F-22, and not the F-35.
    3. To launch a missile at maximum range, you need to detect the enemy aircraft at a slightly greater range. Those. at a range of 200 km, a missile can only be launched at a target the size of a B-52.
    4. To combat the F-22, rockets with a maximum range of 50 kilometers are suitable. Because at a longer range, the aircraft’s radar will simply not detect it.
    1. +2
      29 November 2015 12: 21
      Neither a VV class rocket nor a fighter-interceptor are self-sufficient. These are the components of the interception complex, the withdrawal of the interceptor and pointing at the intercepted object are carried out by the command post. And I doubt that ground-based detection tools see the F-22 no further than 50 km.
  42. +1
    29 November 2015 12: 44
    Quote: SCHWERIN
    We were told that the sky over Syria is closed. Aviation is more powerful than ever. So how did the Turkmens bring down our SU?

    The Turkmen did not shoot down. You have confused the term for one of the nationalities. But that's not the point. The phrase "The sky is closed" is akin to the phrase "the border is locked." Both are not achievable in the absolute. In order for the Syrian sky to be closed, very large resources are needed, a large number of fighter aircraft, air defense systems, while concentrated not in one place, but throughout the entire territory, which is unattainable, since ISIS and other formations control a fairly large part of the territory of Syria

    Quote: SCHWERIN
    What was not a missile strike warning? Did the pilots not pay attention to the radar exposure of the Turkmen? Vile from behind.

    What is mean - no one objects. everything is technically simple. There was an article on the VO with diagrams. Couple Turkish (not Turkmen) F-1 barraged near the border. Crew irradiation with ground-based radars was probably recorded, but if you are irradiated several times a day for months, it purely psychologically begins to be perceived as control by the Turks of their space. Most likely, the fighters did not turn on the onboard radars; they were brought to our bombers from the ground. And since there was no need for a radar with IR GOS, there was no need for a radar, especially since the distances there were measured 4-6 km.

    Quote: SCHWERIN
    After all, the pilots could make a missile defense, or use special equipment on board to fail missile guidance systems.

    Could if they knew about the attack

    Quote: Markiz_A
    And what does supersonic have to do with it? Or the RVV-DB missile can only hit targets flying at supersonic sound?

    Simple Linkor9s21 I was indignant that the F35 was called a 5th generation fighter, saying that it could not fly on top, because its maximum speed is 1900 km / h

    Quote: Markiz_A
    3. To launch a missile at maximum range, you need to detect the enemy aircraft at a slightly greater range. Those. at a range of 200 km, a missile can only be launched at a target the size of a B-52.

    Of course, at a range of 200-300 km, the radar will not see targets with low ESR. EMNIP MIG-31 radar at such a range takes targets with an EPR of 13 square meters. meters
  43. +1
    29 November 2015 17: 14
    Interestingly, a range of 200 km. is it traditionally underestimated TTH or did they write the truth here?))
  44. 0
    29 November 2015 20: 18
    The missile looks good ... but homing by radar is very susceptible to electronic warfare equipment ... Most likely, this missile, when approaching an aircraft with electronic warfare, will simply fool and dart in the opposite direction or explode on approach to the target ... Homing heads should have at least 3-4 channels from the following, and ALL channels are better. I will list them in an approximate hierarchical sequence:
    1. Channel remote control from the attacking aircraft. (top priority).
    2. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target radar signal of the attacking aircraft.
    3. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target signal of its radar.
    4. The channel of any radio emission from the target.
    5. Channel infrared radiation from the target.
    6. The channel of visible radiation from the target.
    7. Internal inertial target designation system. (When there is no information from any target channel.)
    Only having such a target designation system can we talk about the SIGNIFICANT probability of defeat of a modern aircraft with an integrated protection system.
    1. 0
      30 November 2015 15: 04
      As far as I know, in this rocket (like RVV-SD) it is realized:

      1, 3, 4, 7 and possibly 2 (semi-active mode)
  45. 0
    29 November 2015 20: 21
    No jokes can be played with such things, "let it go and forget" - the goal can already be said no, that's how "gentlemen" and their hangers-on!
  46. 0
    29 November 2015 20: 46
    I hope the new rocket hits the first American plane!
  47. 0
    29 November 2015 21: 30
    Gentlemen are good. For the 5th generation of fighter jets, the task is to achieve supersonic speed without afterburning engines. Go beyond the site.
    1. 0
      29 November 2015 21: 35
      Mr. mahhh75, fighters are weapons of the dark ages. Internet affects you badly
  48. 0
    29 November 2015 21: 40
    more precisely, logging in dannm mode.
  49. 0
    29 November 2015 21: 48
    And more precisely, you are discussing how to * overseas lesson * and it seems to you that you can make an invisible plane :))
    Your overseas friends put a card on this and ... lost a lot of trillion dollars and a lot of time :))
  50. 0
    30 November 2015 06: 48
    ad on the website of the Corporation Tactical Missile Arms: urgently needed Turkish f16 in the sky over Syria!
    we don’t make any demands on the pilot, we just have to cross the border
    getting luli guarantee
    delivery upon crossing
  51. 0
    30 November 2015 09: 37
    It looks like it's small enough - that's good. I would like a photo of the entire rocket, it would be desirable for a person to stand in front of it to estimate the dimensions
  52. +1
    30 November 2015 12: 59
    Quote: Former Combat
    The missile looks good ... but homing by radar is very susceptible to electronic warfare equipment ... Most likely, this missile, when approaching an aircraft with electronic warfare, will simply fool and dart in the opposite direction or explode on approach to the target ... Homing heads should have at least 3-4 channels from the following, and ALL channels are better. I will list them in an approximate hierarchical sequence:
    1. Channel remote control from the attacking aircraft. (top priority).
    2. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target radar signal of the attacking aircraft.
    3. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target signal of its radar.
    4. The channel of any radio emission from the target.
    5. Channel infrared radiation from the target.
    6. The channel of visible radiation from the target.
    7. Internal inertial target designation system. (When there is no information from any target channel.)
    Only having such a target designation system can we talk about the SIGNIFICANT probability of defeat of a modern aircraft with an integrated protection system.


    And where will you, dear Pavel, put all this? After all, the diameter of the product is 38 cm.
    Next

    1. Remote control channel from the attacking aircraft (highest priority)

    That is, you are offering a radio command control system. It was relevant 50 years ago. Now, with the presence of electronic warfare and electronic warfare equipment, the “aircraft-missile” channel will be cut off at once


    2. Radar channel of the radar signal of the attacking aircraft reflected from the target

    That is, passive radar guidance. This means that the plane will be "tied". And he is forced to continuously “illuminate” the target with the radar. In a one-on-one attack, that is, in a duel situation between an interceptor and a target, this is possible, but in a MVB it is not.

    3. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target signal of its radar.

    And this is the active radar guidance system implemented on the 610th product.

    4. The channel of any radio emission from the target.

    How's that? Will you install a direction finder? But to give the exact coordinates of the target using this method you need at least two, and preferably three, bearings

    5. Channel infrared radiation from the target.

    Where are you going to put the optical-lens system of the IR seeker? After all, the entire volume of the nose cone is occupied by the radar antenna?

    6. The channel of visible radiation from the target.

    What kind of animal is this and what is it eaten with? What other visible radiation can you detect from an airplane? Spotlight? Or what?

    7. Internal inertial target designation system. (When there is no information from any target channel.)

    Actually, an inertial guidance system. Not target designation. This system cannot target anything. It is designed to keep the missile on its original course before the homing system takes over.
    1. 0
      30 November 2015 18: 50
      Dear!
      Apparently you either fell from the moon or are not engaged in technique, but in dancing.
      Regarding point 1. Almost ALL modern missiles and missile defenses have this control channel. Including S300, S400 and higher, Tors, Pantsyrs, and even the rocket described in the article has this control channel. And you’re talking about the 50s here. It seems that your concepts about rockets have remained stuck these years.
      Regarding point 2. The described guidance method allows the missile to more covertly approach the target without detecting itself by radio emission. This channel is also very widely used in various air defense systems and air-to-air missiles.
      Regarding point 4. Well, this target designation channel is most widely used by ALL anti-radar missiles. No two or three direction finders are needed, the rocket simply goes in the direction of the MAXIMUM value of the received signal. I note that with your knowledge in this area, it would be better not to disgrace yourself here. And even with such pathos.
      Regarding point 5. I am not going to put anything anywhere. This was done a long time ago without me. Missiles combining radio channels and, roughly speaking, visual (IR, UV, visible light) are made by anyone and everyone who has the appropriate components.
      Regarding point 6. Visible radiation is a spectrum of waves in the range from infrared to ultraviolet. Dear, if you are not in the know. And the target designation channel is based on a CCD matrix, just like in a regular digital camera. By the way, they say that the Su24 shot down in Syria was shot down precisely thanks to such a target designation channel. SU24 reliably clogs radio channels with its electronic warfare.
      Regarding point 7. Well, you’re still stuck on the terminology, it’s really funny. If only there were an expert in this matter, then it would be okay, otherwise he’s an amateur and still wrinkles his nose, saying that they didn’t write according to his concepts. Hilarious.
      Well, in fact, in serious systems this channel is used for TARGET INDICATION in the absence of other sources of information. Roughly it looks like this: when a missile is launched, initial data on the target is transmitted to it from the attacking aircraft - range, speed, direction, own speed, own direction and the internal inertial TARGETING system calculates the flight path in advance and WILL STICK TO IT in the COMPLETE absence of other information from others targeting channels. And if no other information enters the system before the calculated detonation location, the rocket will fly through the trajectory and cause an explosion. But if during the flight information is received from any of the listed channels and it is RELIABLE (match on 2 or more channels), the missile control system WILL CORRECT the initial flight path... and so on CONSTANTLY as long as information and targets are received. As a result, even if ALL channels of information about the target suddenly disappear, the missile will know where to fly and when to explode. Your understanding of the inertial homing system is very, very PRIMITIVE and really corresponds to the level of the 50s of the last century... Sorry, but this is so.

      In the future, it is useless to argue with your childhood wet dreams in this area, and I am not going to... A person knowledgeable in this matter will understand, but for you this is absolutely unnecessary. For this I bow out.
      Respectfully yours, Pavel.
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    30 November 2015 13: 10
    We guarantee the pilot a large-caliber track!!!! And of course we guarantee selfies for Turkish-ISIS pilots!
  54. 0
    30 November 2015 13: 19
    Quote: iliya87
    It looks like it's small enough - that's good. I would like a photo of the entire rocket, it would be desirable for a person to stand in front of it to estimate the dimensions

    Big enough. 4 meters
  55. 0
    30 November 2015 20: 40
    Quote: pettabyte
    Well, these moronic brothers are to blame for themselves, they’ve been sick for 25 years. But Cuba, Mali, Egypt and others, yes, this is our jamb.


    It’s easier for us to say with whom we haven’t quarreled and are friends)) The attitude towards Russians is bad in most countries on the planet.

    For me, this is certainly a failure of foreign policy. Not everyone can be “bad”. Especially concerns neighbors (Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltic states, a little Tajikistan, Turkey, Bulgaria, etc.)
  56. 0
    30 November 2015 21: 39
    Quote: Former battalion commander
    1. Almost ALL modern missiles and missile defenses have this control channel. Including S300, S400 and higher, Tors, Pantsyrs, and even the rocket described in the article has this control channel

    Anti-aircraft missiles and air-to-air missiles should not be confused. Control through the rocket is carried out by a GROUND, STATIONARY complex, and not by an airplane.

    Quote: Former battalion commander
    Regarding point 2. The described guidance method allows the missile to more covertly approach the target without detecting itself by radio emission. This channel is also very widely used in various air defense systems and air-to-air missiles

    OK then. Let's say it is possible to implement simultaneously active and passive guidance. Let's consider this the second guidance system

    Quote: Former battalion commander
    Regarding point 4. Well, this target designation channel is most widely used by ALL anti-radar missiles. No two or three direction finders are needed, the rocket simply goes in the direction of the MAXIMUM value of the received signal. I note that with your knowledge in this area, it would be better not to disgrace yourself here. And even with such pathos.

    It would be better if you didn’t embarrass yourself by installing an anti-radar missile guidance system on an air combat missile....

    Quote: Former battalion commander
    Regarding point 5. I am not going to put anything anywhere. This was done a long time ago without me. Missiles combining radio channels and, roughly speaking, visual (IR, UV, visible light) are made by anyone and everyone who has the appropriate components.

    Don't confuse God's gift with you know what. Name at least one air combat missile that would simultaneously implement active (or at least passive) radar guidance and infrared (IR and UV, I still understand, but visible light is something supernova). No one has yet been able to combine these two systems, since under the fairing of the radar seeker there is an antenna system of this head, and the infrared one has an optical-lens system that occupies the same space

    Quote: Former battalion commander
    And the target designation channel is based on a CCD matrix, just like in a regular digital camera. By the way, they say that the Su24 shot down in Syria was shot down precisely thanks to such a target designation channel.

    That's exactly what they say. There was an IR seeker there. Of course, not an ordinary one, but by no means a matrix with memory in visible light...
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    30 November 2015 21: 39
    Quote: Former Combat
    Regarding point 7. Well, you’re still stuck on the terminology, it’s really funny. If only there were an expert in this matter, then it would be okay, otherwise he’s an amateur and still wrinkles his nose, saying that they didn’t write according to his concepts. Hilarious.

    Of course it's hilarious. Especially when former battalion commander starts to prove something former GKP. When the operator begins to prove something to the technical developer

    Quote: Former Combat
    In the future, it is useless to argue with your childhood wet dreams in this area, and I am not going to... A person knowledgeable in this matter will understand, but for you this is absolutely unnecessary. For this I bow out.

    Thank you, dear, for not arguing. I also have no particular desire to argue with you. Therefore, I also bow out...
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