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New Russian Aviation Ticket RVV-BD

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The latest Russian air-to-air missile RVV-BD will significantly increase the capabilities of the Russian aviation in destroying aerial targets, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


New Russian Aviation Ticket RVV-BD


The adoption of RVV-BD will allow Russian planes to shoot down at a considerable distance almost all existing aircraft, including the 5 generation fighter F-22 and F-35, as well as various types of cruise missiles.



According to the creators of the rocket - Vympel GosMCB (part of Tactical Missile Armament Corporation OJSC), “targets are destroyed at any time of the day, at all angles, including in the conditions of use of electronic countermeasures by the enemy surface, with a multichannel shelling on the principle of "let-forget". "



“The maximum launch range in the forward hemisphere reaches 200 km. The height of the targets hit from 15 m to 25 km. Affected aircraft can maneuver with overloads up to 8 g. The starting weight of the product 510 kg, while the mass of high-explosive fragmentation warhead - 60 kg. The wingspan is 0,72 m, the wingspan is 1,02 m, ”said the ICD.



According to the information, “an inertial missile guidance system with radio correction and active radar homing on the final part of the trajectory, the warhead is activated using radar active proximity and contact sensors of the target.”



The company stressed that RVV-BD is made entirely from Russian components.
Photos used:
http://www.vestnik-rm.ru/
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  1. AlexTires
    AlexTires 28 November 2015 09: 00 New
    29
    For PAK FA, apparently ..
    1. Linkor9s21
      Linkor9s21 28 November 2015 09: 19 New
      -4
      Something made me laugh
      including 5th generation fighter aircraft F-22 and F-35

      F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h
      1. smith7
        smith7 28 November 2015 09: 34 New
        30
        1900 km / h is approximately 1,6 sound speeds. F35 - supersonic in fact. It is not the 5th generation for other reasons, I find it difficult to formulate, because I am afraid to be inaccurate. hi
        1. Linkor9s21
          Linkor9s21 28 November 2015 10: 18 New
          -26
          I apologize for the inaccuracy, but I heard these data as it is not sad from our favorite Russian media.
        2. Darwin
          Darwin 28 November 2015 10: 19 New
          40
          5th generation the ability to fly on super sound without afterburner, which f-35 can not
          1. 9lvariag
            9lvariag 29 November 2015 17: 07 New
            +3
            And just that?
            Something flawed turned out to be a new generation! Neither to you super-maneuverability, nor to you new (at least at NATO) missiles, or to you new synecentric warning and control technologies.
            And then what kind of generation is this?
            What was shown at USAF has long been implemented on other types of element base and other means. Oto outstanding "on hu yau", was to finish the Su-27 glider or buy drawings of the Yak -141?
            And if you take off, it’s with enchanting mistakes like the weapons bay in the Y / F -35 (with vert. Take-off) occupied by the gearbox, lower speed, complicated nozzle control. Also an ugly catapult and a virtual reality helmet on Lightning2!
            Yes, a lot can be said without me.
            And also consider that with external suspensions, it is UG - never STELS!
      2. kuz363
        kuz363 28 November 2015 09: 46 New
        0
        Respected! Did you teach physics at school? The speed of sound in air is 330 m / s. If you multiply by 3600 sec, we get 1188 km / h! And to be precise, that is, the concept of "sound barrier", i.e. overspeed movement. But there is no supersonic.
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 28 November 2015 10: 17 New
          17
          But about 1200 is the speed of sound near the earth. To indicate the speed of the aircraft, the speed of sound at an altitude of about 15 km is taken. There she is in the region of 1060.
        2. yushch
          yushch 28 November 2015 10: 25 New
          +6
          The F-35 in the modification for the Marine Corps does not fly at supersonic, this "option" was removed from him. So linkor9s21 is not completely wrong.
        3. Letun
          Letun 28 November 2015 10: 41 New
          18
          Quote: kuz363
          And to be precise, that is, the concept of "sound barrier", i.e. overspeed movement. But there is no supersonic.

          Called wanted to be smart and blurted out stupidity lol The concept of a sound barrier is not at all a movement with an excess of sound speed. As they say, it is better to remain silent and pass for clever, than to speak and dispel all doubts wink
      3. saturn.mmm
        saturn.mmm 28 November 2015 09: 52 New
        +3
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly overboard, the maximum speed is 5

        The F-35 can fly at supersonic sound since supersonic sound starts at a speed of 1230 km / h, while the F-35, as you have noticed, has a maximum speed of 1900 km / h.
        1. Albert1988
          Albert1988 28 November 2015 18: 35 New
          +2
          Quote: saturn.mmm
          The F-35 can fly at supersonic sound since supersonic sound starts at a speed of 1230 km / h, while the F-35, as you have noticed, has a maximum speed of 1900 km / h.

          The main thing is that he does not have cruising supersonic, as it turns out, which means that he cannot be ranked among the fifth generation ...
        2. 9lvariag
          9lvariag 29 November 2015 17: 17 New
          +2
          Yeah, you would not argue, but wrote with which max. pitch and angles of deviation of the steering surfaces can fly MiG-21 or MiG-23/27
          / 29 and with what UG?
          This is at equal speeds of 1500km / h. The discount will be on the suspension, warhead guns, the number of fuel and performance characteristics.
          And then let's compare, in my opinion, based on what I saw - an empty (not suspended) SU-25 with additional tanks, a larger fighter than the Lightning 2 Erzats!
      4. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 November 2015 10: 20 New
        -1
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Yes, he can’t fly overboard

        Not only can, but also has the ability to cruise in supersonic sound without afterburner.
        1. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 28 November 2015 18: 14 New
          +4
          This is something new. Where does infa come from, if not secret? Does Lockheed Martin know? :)
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 28 November 2015 19: 19 New
          +3
          Quote: Bayonet
          Not only can, but also has the ability to cruise in supersonic sound without afterburner.

          Maybe, but only for a short time! Conditionally! Strictly speaking, it cannot.
        3. nazar_0753
          nazar_0753 30 November 2015 16: 27 New
          +1
          You are wrong and confused in definitions. To fly at supersonic sound - can. Perhaps even in the afterburner mode. But he does not possess the ability to cruise supersonic flight.
      5. papik09
        papik09 28 November 2015 10: 28 New
        -5
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Something made me laugh
        including 5th generation fighter aircraft F-22 and F-35

        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly overboard, maximum speed 1900, for example, the Su-35s 2400 km / h

        For your information, this is 1,6 times EXCEEDS the speed of sound. If only on the calculator counted (I'm not talking about EXCEL) tongue
      6. spiriolla-45
        spiriolla-45 28 November 2015 12: 09 New
        0
        "F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, it can’t fly overboard, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s 35"
        Actually, it turns out to be supersonic, since, if the memory does not change, the speed of sound is within 1200 km / h.
        1. guzik007
          guzik007 29 November 2015 12: 37 New
          -5
          , if the memory does not change, the speed of sound is within 1200 km / h by itself in a gas environment

          Oops! then, by your logic, does sound have a certain speed in a gasless environment? :)
          1. Igluxnumx
            Igluxnumx 29 November 2015 23: 15 New
            +4
            Sound also spreads in a solid, liquid environment .....
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      7. Stas157
        Stas157 28 November 2015 19: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h

        In addition to the fact that the F-35 does not have cruising supersonic, it also does not have invisibility! Since its internal compartments are capable of taking critically few ammunition (only 2 tons), the rest is only on the suspension, and this is goodbye to invisibility! That is, he is either invisible, but unarmed, or visible, armed.
      8. Mih
        Mih 30 November 2015 00: 18 New
        0
        So in the new military concept of air combat, speed is not so important. The main thing is the airborne radar. The sooner the enemy is discovered, the faster it will be destroyed. Because speed data and maneuverability of the car go by the wayside. Electronics and rockets. love
        1. Photon
          Photon 30 November 2015 11: 04 New
          0
          "The main thing is the airborne radar."
          I don’t understand something. I thought that the main thing was integration into battle control systems. And accordingly, the ability to passively obtain the coordinates of targets, etc.
      9. python2a
        python2a 30 November 2015 16: 07 New
        0
        And what speed of sound in the air is yours?
    2. Denis DV
      Denis DV 28 November 2015 09: 32 New
      +3
      For all, most likely)))
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 10: 16 New
        -9
        Quote: Linkor9s21
        Something made me laugh
        including 5th generation fighter aircraft F-22 and F-35
        F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h
        This supersonic was given to you. It has an advanced filling. Therefore, it is also the 5th generation. Our T-50s are trying to get closer to the same solution.
        1. shans2
          shans2 28 November 2015 12: 14 New
          +3
          cannot catch up with or fly away from anyone, 5 generation ..
          1. Sterlya
            Sterlya 28 November 2015 19: 37 New
            +2
            oh well crap this fu-35 laughing Maybe there are flaws, they will finish, maybe they will finalize. (well, if not!) they will print a hundred lard of dead presidents, buy even better scientists and finalize. Well, at least paper and green paint in the usa have not yet transferred
            1. 9lvariag
              9lvariag 29 November 2015 17: 23 New
              +2
              Well, Northrop - Grumant developed a good light STELS attack aircraft "A-12" successor to the Skyhawks to replace the "deck". No, it was simply leaked to the toilet, for the sake of the heirs of the F-4 / F-14 / F-111 mastodons! And in the indulgence they issued the XB -42B program to the mountain!
        2. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 28 November 2015 18: 16 New
          +1
          Do you reliably know the composition of the side of both ?? Do not make me laugh...
        3. Igluxnumx
          Igluxnumx 29 November 2015 23: 17 New
          0
          Nonsense! We are going our own way. And let our electronics of greater weight and volume, but - it works!
    3. Wiruz
      Wiruz 28 November 2015 10: 15 New
      12
      As far as I can tell, RVV-DB with a range of 200km is export rocket. The range of a similar rocket for ones loved ones is rumored to reach 400-450km.

      Firstly: in one of the interviews, the head of the KTRV hinted, saying that we still had the best practices for the modernization of the R-37 rocket. We plan to increase the range by 1,5 times (the R-37 flew 300km even with the Union).

      Secondly: in another interview (and maybe in the same, but not the essence), he also said the following: "In the world, it is customary to consider long-range air-to-air missiles with missiles with a range of over 100 km. We have today's medium-range missiles flying almost 200 km." Here, by the way, we can assume that RVV-SD with a range of 110 km is also for export.

      hi
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 10: 58 New
        +5
        RVV-DB looks a lot like K – 37
        1. Dry_T-50
          Dry_T-50 28 November 2015 14: 33 New
          +3
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          RVV-DB looks a lot like K – 37

          This is the P-37.
      2. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 28 November 2015 14: 33 New
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        . The range of a similar rocket for ones loved ones is rumored to reach 400-450km.

        This KS-172 flies on 400 km, and P-37 (aka RVV-DB) can fly on 300 km
      3. mav1971
        mav1971 29 November 2015 15: 19 New
        +2
        Quote: Wiruz
        As far as I can tell, RVV-DB with a range of 200km is export rocket. The range of a similar rocket for ones loved ones is rumored to reach 400-450km.

        hi


        Who will do targeting at 450km?
        Have you thought about this?

        Again about magic devices, there are the same ones, but which we won’t show you ...
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    4. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 28 November 2015 11: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: AlexTires
      For PAK FA, apparently ..

      For PAK, the FA should be square in cross section. And the weight is too big: about half a ton.
      1. NIKNN
        NIKNN 28 November 2015 11: 57 New
        +4
        Jurkovs (1) RU Today, 11:08 AM

        For PAK, the FA should be square in cross section. And the weight is too big: about half a ton.


        I agree with you. Separate missiles are being developed for the PAK FA, for the possibility of using weapons from the compartment.
    5. NEXUS
      NEXUS 28 November 2015 11: 37 New
      +4
      Quote: AlexTires
      For PAK FA, apparently ..

      If only for hanging pylons, and not in the internal compartments. But rather, I think, for the SU-35/30, or for the MIG-31 hi
    6. Pajamas
      Pajamas 28 November 2015 17: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: AlexTires
      For PAK FA, apparently ..

      I doubt it is overly heavy.
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    8. SIMM
      SIMM 29 November 2015 14: 30 New
      +1
      Well, not for the F-16 for sure!)))
    9. Mujahiddin777
      Mujahiddin777 30 November 2015 09: 02 New
      0
      all! Download and send to the Syrian-Turkish border! ;-)
  2. Teberii
    Teberii 28 November 2015 09: 01 New
    +7
    An impressive rocket, just to protect our aircraft in Syria.
    1. Dezinto
      Dezinto 28 November 2015 09: 02 New
      17
      The missile is just for "their" aircraft in Syria.

      Well, our protection, of course hi - that now, as we see the same thing, it turned out that we are opposed and threatened even in the air!

      Really the second Vietnam. sad

  3. Dr. Lecturer
    Dr. Lecturer 28 November 2015 09: 11 New
    +8
    Ah, that China has a suspiciously silent partner.
    1. Platonich
      Platonich 28 November 2015 09: 51 New
      +2
      And what is it - a partner ???
      1. BMP-2
        BMP-2 28 November 2015 10: 39 New
        +2
        Well, apparently a partner is any enemy who temporarily does not bring down our planes ...

        But China is not a partner. China is a brother! laughing

        And relatives, as you know, much is forgiven, whatever they may be ...
        1. 1976AG
          1976AG 28 November 2015 10: 53 New
          +8
          I didn’t understand, but for what merit of partners did the brothers begin to write down? Is it not Daman !?
          1. BMP-2
            BMP-2 28 November 2015 13: 17 New
            +2
            There has almost never been a war between Russia and China, and a conflict with Damansky is the exception rather than the rule. Korea, Vietnam - everywhere our countries acted on one side of the barricades.
            1. Talgat
              Talgat 28 November 2015 16: 00 New
              +3
              Of course, you should not deceive yourself - no China is a brother - but for thousands of years a geopolitical opponent of the Great Steppe (and therefore Eurasia - the steppe is an integral part of it. And Eurasia is a union of the steppes and Orthodox Slavs (or their ancestors in the days of Atilla, etc.) - and tsarist Russia and the USSR - and now the EAC - CSTO)

              But in the coming 30-40 years, China and I seem to have an alliance against the West, so at this time it can be seen as a situational ally against a more terrible external enemy. But you can’t give it to Mongolia and not part of Central Asia - everything should move to the EAC - at least as a zone of interests
              1. Markiz_A
                Markiz_A 29 November 2015 13: 03 New
                -3
                As one American expert said (and I think he’s absolutely right): the question is not whether China will attack Russia or not, the question is WHEN TO ATTACK.
                1. pettabyte
                  pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 15 New
                  0
                  1969 year. Damansky.
                  Already attacked.
            2. Zefr
              Zefr 30 November 2015 11: 42 New
              +1
              Yes, but they steal the forest from us. Somehow, not fraternally ...
              1. Dema46
                Dema46 30 November 2015 12: 43 New
                +1
                theft is theft. Article 158 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. there is a secret theft of another's property.
                they just calmly take out what they are allowed to take out. Are the Chinese to blame for the fact that a number of not good people of Russian origin are ready to sell everything that is possible?
                are the Chinese to blame that Medvedev signed a decree on the transfer of smuggling from criminal to administrative?
                the Chinese are guilty of the fact that wherever Yura Trutnev, the president’s presidential representative in the Far East, holds out his hands, the forest disappears like a plague.
                all of us are to blame, but not part of us .. corrupt.
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          2. romashki74
            romashki74 1 December 2015 05: 22 New
            0
            After such brothers run through the garden, so the potato then does not grow for eight years .....
        2. arane
          arane 28 November 2015 18: 09 New
          +9
          Quote: BMP-2
          Well, apparently a partner is any enemy who temporarily does not bring down our planes ...

          But China is not a partner. China is a brother! laughing

          And relatives, as you know, much is forgiven, whatever they may be ...


          No friends or brothers in politics! Help will be if interests coincide!
          I'm talking about the ruling elite! Belarusians brothers? Yes! But Lukash is not, and will betray instantly if he smells fried! Where is the odkb? No .....
          If only they would send a soldier, such as a coalition .....
          Horseradish! Who the thread recognized Abkhazia and Ossetia? Horseradish!
          We are alone, as always! Brothers with us appear when all the people are in the district
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        4. guzik007
          guzik007 29 November 2015 12: 50 New
          +2
          But China is not a partner. China is a brother
          -------------------------------------------
          Can we remove the pink glasses already? Turkey -friends, Egypt-friends, China-friends. Well, we all climbed and climb to kiss.
          China friends ...
          China is like an entomologist squatting in front of an anthill, personifying the rest of the world's population. The attitude of the Chinese towards other countries is viewed through the prism of their enormous conceit, how come! the oldest civilization on earth! All the rest for them is in the recent past, backward savages. Therefore, first of all, pragmatism in relation to everything. Type: what can we fuck with ants? only ant alcohol. Even if they bite, it’s not a problem, the ants are unconscious. And help the ants? Well, as long as there is a benefit from them, Let them be awakened And goosebumps move them with joy with joy, like a friend like that.
          1. romashki74
            romashki74 1 December 2015 05: 24 New
            0
            Such "brothers" will run through the garden and then the potatoes will not grow for eight years .....
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        5. cuzmin.mihail2013
          cuzmin.mihail2013 29 November 2015 16: 13 New
          0
          But about relatives in more detail, please. How about Ukraine - will it look your way?
        6. pettabyte
          pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 12 New
          +1
          The cut outposts, Damansky, and so on have forgotten?
          They are all female dogs.
      2. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 November 2015 11: 25 New
        21
        Quote: Platonitch
        And what is it - a partner ???

        This is a term from sexology that slowly flowed into other areas of human activity ...
        At the same time, it is critically important to be in an "active position", otherwise - sadness. laughing
    2. Dilshat
      Dilshat 28 November 2015 09: 53 New
      18
      Russian philosophy: "They beat ours! Where? !!! They’ve run there soon! Chinese philosophy: If you sit on the river for a long time, you can see how the corpse of your enemy swims. This should be taken into account when negotiating with a partner laughing
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 10: 32 New
        +7
        Quote: Dilshat
        Chinese philosophy: If you sit on the river for a long time, you can see how the corpse of your enemy swims. This should be taken into account when negotiating with a partner.
        Chinese pacifism and detachment is a big myth. It’s enough to see how they implement their investment policy. In Djibouti, it’s opening its naval base. China invests a lot in Africa and is going to defend its investments by force of arms. And history does not know any other political tool.
      2. pettabyte
        pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 17 New
        0
        This is one of the philosophies, Taoism seems to be.
        And they are far from all of them.
    3. maiman61
      maiman61 28 November 2015 10: 20 New
      +6
      Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 28 November 2015 10: 23 New
        +7
        Quote: maiman61
        Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!

        Already before the holes they erased utu phrase !!! Anything else fancy enough? request
        1. architect
          architect 28 November 2015 13: 00 New
          +3
          But what if it's true?
          1. Manul
            Manul 28 November 2015 15: 04 New
            +1
            Quote: architect
            But what if it's true?

            Decent people at the present time say, there are no allies, except you yourself know whom. lol I did not remember the author, but I really liked it.
      2. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 11: 18 New
        12
        Quote: maiman61
        Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!
        This is not good. In the USSR, the whole of East Olrop, BV, Vietnam, regimes in Africa, Cuba is the pearl of our foreign policy !!! Now some other times have come. Even Belarus did not recognize Ossetia and Abkhazia. With sarcasm, I’ll add that : Russia has no partners and allies, except the army and navy and Vanuatu. Because we don’t wash our boots in the Caribbean and other sensitive parts of the world, you won’t get rid of Gorbach. The whole elite of the current state of Mali Russian "balalaika", because studied here. And our Foreign Ministry does nothing. Ukraine was "overslept", foreign-business, and orders are regularly received for service to the fatherland.
        1. sherp2015
          sherp2015 28 November 2015 12: 53 New
          -7
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          ! The entire elite of the current state of Mali in Russian "balalaika", because studied here. And our Foreign Ministry does nothing. Ukraine was "overslept", foreign-business, and orders are regularly received for service to the fatherland.



          That's right ... Something our Mead shredded at all. Mostly empty statements. Apparently Lavrov was tired.
        2. pettabyte
          pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 20 New
          0
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          .Ukraine "overslept"

          Well, these moron bros themselves are to blame, they are sick of it for 25 years.

          But Cuba, Mali, Egypt and others, yes, our cant.
      3. Dry_T-50
        Dry_T-50 28 November 2015 20: 54 New
        0
        Quote: maiman61
        Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!

        There are partners, but there are no allies. The army is Russia.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 28 November 2015 09: 12 New
    +3
    Well done. And then I heard conversations about the “trio” of RVV-MD, -SD and -BD for a long time, but so far no more has been heard than the fact that RVV-SD is an improved version of the R-77.

    By the way, in the photo next to her is the X-35 in aviation performance, like)
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    2. gjv
      gjv 28 November 2015 10: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: stock buildbat
      By the way, in the photo next to her is the X-35 in an aviation version, like

      X-35UE - export version of the X-35U - unified. A new turbofan engine, twice smaller in size, was used, the design of the air channel was changed, which allowed to increase the fuel supply. These measures led to a twofold increase in the maximum range of rocket firing - up to 260 km. The missile uses a new combined guidance system, which, in addition to the previously used inertial and active radar homing systems, also satellite navigation. The upgraded active-passive radar homing head "Gran-K" allows you to capture targets at a distance of 50 km, against 20 km from the basic version. The turning range reached 130 °. It has ship, helicopter, coast and aircraft based. The flight altitude is 10-15 meters on the marching section and 3-4 on reaching the target. The mass of the warhead is 145 kg. hi
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 28 November 2015 22: 00 New
        +2
        Thank you very much for clarifying hi
  5. chikenous59
    chikenous59 28 November 2015 09: 15 New
    13
    Quote: Dr. Lecturer
    Ah, that China has a suspiciously silent partner.

    And they are doing well. From the side they look, watch how the strands “fight” in the Middle East.
    China benefits in the long run so that one superpower becomes smaller, or so that both disappear.
    Ordinary Chinese pragmatism.
    Somewhere, they will need to place their citizens, they need to feed something, huge resources are needed, both financial and natural.
    Russia and the United States have enormous amounts of these resources.
    1. Jozhkin Cat
      Jozhkin Cat 28 November 2015 09: 23 New
      +8
      it is also beneficial for us that it has become less by one power ... China or the United States, no matter
      1. Lenin
        Lenin 28 November 2015 09: 32 New
        +1
        Quote: Jozhkin the Cat
        it is also beneficial for us that it has become less by one power ... China or the United States, no matter

        To do this, we must pursue an appropriate foreign policy.
        1. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 28 November 2015 09: 49 New
          +6
          To do this, we must pursue an appropriate foreign policy.

          Do you offer to argue with China? Or can it “team up” with someone against China? It is wonderful that we have normal relations with this country today. China has played an important role in the international arena. And what is being observed from the outside is, if possible, we would have done so. Policy.
          1. Lenin
            Lenin 29 November 2015 11: 07 New
            +1
            Quote: rotmistr60
            Do you offer to argue with China? Or can it “team up” with someone against China?

            Love China, I do not forbid you, but one day you will wake up in the territory quietly occupied by China. Not when the population living in the Far East and Siberia did not glow with love for such a neighbor.
            But to swear is the simplest, it is the modern policy of Russia, then we run into the Jewish Union destroying our economy, then back in front of our screech. Russia is only losing from such a policy, while China, on the contrary, is moving quietly toward its intended goal, and the winner is not judged. It doesn’t matter how he won, even if he just watched from the side how his neighbors annihilated each other in the war.
            And the simplest question is, why is China not helping us in Syria? We're friends. hi
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 November 2015 09: 27 New
      +6
      Now we are also driving the Su-35 to China ... Then again, we say that we did not expect the military from a strategic partner. Again we are preparing for an adventure.
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 28 November 2015 10: 24 New
        +5
        The article was that we are selling an aircraft in Russian configuration to China! In business! And China does not even lift a little finger, help us!
    3. kuz363
      kuz363 28 November 2015 09: 36 New
      +6
      Yes, China can also hit in the back like Turkey. If there will be a benefit.
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 10: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: kuz363
        Yes, China can also hit in the back like Turkey. If there will be a benefit.

        The confrontation is already happening, but not on the Amur, but in Middle Asia. China is fighting with its investments. And is honing its superpower sickle. It's just that the time for mowing has not come yet. Here is a reaper and is trying to pose as a sloppiness.
    4. papik09
      papik09 28 November 2015 10: 44 New
      -1
      Do not remember God (Russia) in vain)))
  6. Mr shrek
    Mr shrek 28 November 2015 09: 27 New
    -2
    It’s time to use them already, for the same F-16 at least))
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 November 2015 11: 29 New
      +7
      Quote: Mr Shrek
      It’s time to use them already, for the same F-16 at least))

      To get started, take into service and create a reserve (reserve), at least for one batch. And then swing your club, you restless ours!
      1. Mr shrek
        Mr shrek 28 November 2015 19: 45 New
        0
        Actually, I meant a test in practice, and not just right into a battle with a bare backside.
        TTX painfully good.
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  8. Nehist
    Nehist 28 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +4
    I wonder when this munition on the conveyor will be?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 28 November 2015 10: 45 New
      +4
      By the way, YES! Su-35, with the body kit of these missiles in Syria --- then order! good And there were already a lot of pictures from the exhibition. What, in fact, gentlemen-comrades ..?
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 28 November 2015 13: 24 New
        +2
        Damn, what a game of airplanes! Su-35 aircraft is excellent, no words. But we will not have enough for all the coders that the "partners" of the 35s can collect there. Kohl a dozen for one to begin to throw.
    2. zyablik.olga
      zyablik.olga 29 November 2015 12: 39 New
      +7
      Quote: Nehist
      I wonder when this munition on the conveyor will be?

      Never, you have a wrong idea about the assembly process of rockets request Rockets are not cars, they are assembled like this.

      And both here and at the "partners".
  9. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 28 November 2015 09: 32 New
    +2
    I am always happy with the achievements of our defense industry. I think the probable opponent is also happy.
  10. kuz363
    kuz363 28 November 2015 09: 33 New
    +3
    Why 60 kg of warhead? It would be enough 10-15 kg, like the American Sidewinder. Well 20 kg. And due to extra pounds it was possible to increase the range or add equipment. But still 200 km is impressive. This is at the level of S-300 or S-400!
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 November 2015 10: 13 New
      +8
      I think the designers know better. They are not fools either.
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 November 2015 11: 36 New
      +7
      Quote: kuz363
      Why 60 kg warhead? It would be enough 10-15 kg, like the American Sidewinder. Well 20 kg.
      Everything depends on the accuracy. If there is a pilot under the seat, then 2kg is enough, in the nozzle of the engine - 6kg, and when 60 ... so there’s exactly a calculation for HB and rod damaging elements ...
      Or maybe it’s for the best: you don’t really need to bother with accuracy yet. And nobody canceled the modernization. Then you can remember the accuracy, and reduce the weight of the warhead, and increase the range, or the power and speed of the seeker dramatically improve ...
    3. Flatter
      Flatter 28 November 2015 13: 23 New
      +1
      A good mass of warheads. The thermonuclear charge and links of the adversaries did not exist. At such a range.
      1. pettabyte
        pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 23 New
        0
        YES and ordinary, with damaging elements can crumble a lot if they fly heaped.
    4. vladimir_krm
      vladimir_krm 28 November 2015 18: 23 New
      0
      I remember that the Su-15TM Osipovich spent both R-98s on Korean Boeing. Both hit, but with difficulty knocked down. And there the warhead was 40 kg each.
      1. Pushkar
        Pushkar 29 November 2015 12: 09 New
        +4
        Remember badly. Osipovich launched one, R-98T. And what does it mean to “knock down with difficulty”? With a shovel?
        1. vladimir_krm
          vladimir_krm 30 November 2015 09: 54 New
          0
          Well, you should at least check the information before arguing :(
          "At 18:26, an order was received from the ground to destroy the intruder, and a Su-15 fighter shot down an airliner, firing two R-98 air-to-air missiles at a distance of 5 kilometers"
          1. pettabyte
            pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 25 New
            0
            The text in quotation marks does not equal the proof. This time, second, released or hit? This is important and also not equivalent.
          2. Pushkar
            Pushkar 30 November 2015 19: 10 New
            0
            Quote: vladimir_krm
            Well, you should at least check the information before arguing :(
            "At 18:26, an order was received from the ground to destroy the intruder, and a Su-15 fighter shot down an airliner, firing two R-98 air-to-air missiles at a distance of 5 kilometers"
            Do not believe Wikipedia unconditionally. Different sources indicate either a missile of the “first missile”, or a hit in the tail of a Boeing, or the number of missiles fired in general. In addition, Wikipedia writes "Gennady Osipovich notes that the shots were fired by armor-piercing, rather than tracer shells (they simply weren’t). The fact is that containers with guns GS-23L had a ribbon with 250 shells, these ribbons came from the factory equipped. They were equipped - armor-piercing incendiary, high-explosive fragmentation incendiary and high-explosive fragmentation incendiary-tracer
  11. plotnikov561956
    plotnikov561956 28 November 2015 09: 34 New
    +2
    ".... active radar homing on the final part of the trajectory," .. you did not wait for us .. and we pinned (arrived)
  12. nikolaev
    nikolaev 28 November 2015 09: 37 New
    +3
    Taking into account modern realities, it is necessary that the inscription immediately be applied in the manufacturing process: "moderate", "humane" - this, in addition to the political result, will reduce the combat effectiveness of the rocket to the required tolerant values
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 November 2015 11: 02 New
      +3
      For different types of oppositions, different stickers are “moderate”, “radical”, “for ISIS”, “for An-Nusra”, “for Erdogan”, “for Obama”. But a scandal can happen if someone else receives a parcel,
  13. Old26
    Old26 28 November 2015 09: 44 New
    11
    Quote: Linkor9s21
    F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly on top, the maximum speed is 5, for example, the Su-1900s has 35 km / h

    For the gifted. Supersonic speed if roughly starts at a speed of 1200 km / h ...

    Quote: AlexTires
    For PAK FA, apparently ..

    Actually for the MIG-31BM. The dimensions of the rocket do not provide its placement in the internal compartments of the T-50 / PAK FA

    Quote: Teberii
    An impressive rocket, just to protect our aircraft in Syria.

    Do we already have a MIG-31 BM in Syria ??? And for what??
    What kind of habit, like some new or modernized weaponry - is it so necessary to Syria?

    Explain why you need an air-to-air missile with a range of 300 km? Which to the goal is 10 minutes ??? Moreover, there are no carriers for it? Maybe it’s better to equip the planes in Syria with short- and medium-range missiles, and leave long-range interceptors in Russia?

    Quote: stock buildbat
    Ok what did

    Yes. at last. And then test launches were carried out already since 1988. In the 90s dragged to the air show ...
    1. saturn.mmm
      saturn.mmm 28 November 2015 09: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: Old26
      Yes. at last. And then test launches were carried out already since 1988. In the 90s dragged to the air show ...

      According to the information, “an inertial missile guidance system with radio correction and active radar homing on the final part of the trajectory, the warhead is activated using radar active proximity and contact sensors of the target.”

      According to the creators of the rocket - Vympel GosMKB (part of Tactical Missile Weapons Corporation), “targets are destroyed at any time of the day, from all angles, including when the enemy uses electronic countermeasures against the backdrop of land and water surface, with multi-channel firing on the principle of "let-forget" ".

      How does this all combine "radar guidance and immunity to REP?"
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 28 November 2015 12: 46 New
        +3
        Quote: saturn.mmm
        How does this all combine "radar guidance and immunity to REP?"
        Elementary, Watson! (C)
        Make it with 2's channel head: ARL + IR; PRLS / ARLS + UV, etc. (RK + IR / UV, for example).
        1. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 28 November 2015 19: 49 New
          +1
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Make it with 2's channel head: ARL + IR; PRLS / ARLS + UV, etc. (RK + IR / UV, for example).

          I hope the enemies do not know this algorithm.
        2. Former battalion commander
          Former battalion commander 29 November 2015 21: 05 New
          0
          Elementary, Watson! (C)

          I doubt very much ... that is elementary ...
          Your suggestions about ARL + IR; PRLS / ARLS + UV, RK + IR / UV ... Modern protection systems are easily counteracted ... For example, all channels associated with light radiation in your terminology are IR, UV can be added here and VISIBLE light is damaged by laser radiation when approaching goals ... Now, such systems are mounted on helicopters in Syria ... therefore they fly freely and low almost without fear of any arrows and stingers ... Further, the ARL, PRLS, ARLS, and RK are blocked by the electronic warfare of the aircraft (although there are some difficulties with frequencies and encodings, but it doesn’t matter IF SILENCING USE) There is a struggle between armor and shell and it looks like the ARMOR CAN BE CREATED IN PRINCIPLE UNBREAKABLE ...
  14. gg.na
    gg.na 28 November 2015 09: 45 New
    +2
    New Russian Aviation Ticket RVV-BD

    There is!!! Created RVV-BeDu wassat for different f-16s there and others! Now for anyone there is Bede on the nose! lol
    And what’s most interesting and maybe even the main thing is:
    "Targets are destroyed at any time of the day, from all angles, including when the enemy uses electronic countermeasures against the backdrop of the earth and water surface, with multi-channel firing on the basis of the" let-forget "principle."

    good wink Now no cattle run away with impunity! bully
    1. Mera joota
      Mera joota 28 November 2015 10: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: gg.na
      There is!!! Created RVV-BeDu for different f-16s there and others!

      This is not against the F-16, but against transporters, tankers, AWACS and other slow-moving low-speed targets with a huge EPR. I mean at max range ...
      1. gjv
        gjv 28 November 2015 10: 29 New
        0
        Quote: Mera Joota
        I mean at max range ...

        Of course it depends on the course / angle. And then in speed and F-16 will catch up ...
  15. tinibar
    tinibar 28 November 2015 09: 47 New
    +1
    Quote: 1976AG
    Now we are also driving the Su-35 to China ... Then again, we say that we did not expect the military from a strategic partner. Again we are preparing for an adventure.

    It is hoped that by the time the Chinese have mastered the Su-35s, we will manage to get the T-50 ourselves ...
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 November 2015 10: 03 New
      +1
      And in what quantities? 1-2 squadrons until 2020? And then, if possible. It will not be enough.
  16. Old26
    Old26 28 November 2015 09: 48 New
    +3
    Quote: gg.na
    Now no cattle run away with impunity!

    Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference
    1. sailor roman
      sailor roman 28 November 2015 10: 00 New
      0
      I am sure that in addition to the active radar seeker, there are 3-4 more homing systems, well, missiles of all classes with one homing system are not being created today, read the literature ...
    2. plotnikov561956
      plotnikov561956 28 November 2015 10: 07 New
      +1
      Active GOS ... AT THE END PLOT ... therefore, it is assumed that there is no time to escape from the guests ...
    3. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 28 November 2015 12: 52 New
      +7
      Quote: Old26
      Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference
      Volodya, and in the 2 channel version: ARLS / RLS or ARLS + IR / UV? I don’t know about aviation (they allow weight or not), but about RCC - it’s done, and it flies to the "joy" of the adversary! Again, the Harpoons ... so these nasty things are now barring and when they miss, they go into the second round, aspids!
    4. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 28 November 2015 14: 37 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Quote: gg.na
      Now no cattle run away with impunity!

      Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference

      I would say "can to escape
  17. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 28 November 2015 09: 56 New
    0
    I should try on kebabs in the Syrian sky
  18. samara-58
    samara-58 28 November 2015 09: 57 New
    +1
    All their own, it pleases !!! good
  19. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 28 November 2015 09: 58 New
    +1
    This creature is a big hello for F-Series aircraft! Due to the fight against terrorism, not only in Syria, but also in Turkey, this is very important!
    1. 1976AG
      1976AG 28 November 2015 10: 09 New
      +3
      This creation vryatli will be used against aircraft of the F series (or very rarely), a little expensive. But against series B, AWACS is it.
  20. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 28 November 2015 10: 10 New
    +3
    Again. RVV-DB is adopted, or not?
  21. veksha50
    veksha50 28 November 2015 10: 11 New
    +1
    "Height of targets hit from 15 m to 25 km. The affected aircraft can maneuver with an overload of up to 8 g. "...

    Not bad ... Now - to the troops, in full measure ...
  22. Lex.
    Lex. 28 November 2015 10: 15 New
    +1
    Something is not enough 200 km, s-37 300 km but what about ks-172 400 km?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 28 November 2015 10: 35 New
      +3
      Most likely this is the performance characteristics of an export rocket. Missiles "for sebe" just do on the basis of the R-37, stuttered about a range of 450km.

      Well, you can forget about KS-172. The Indians had to sponsor its development, it was just for their Su-30MKI that was intended. They planned like 400km - to us, 300km - to the Indians. Looks like something has not grown together request
    2. Dry_T-50
      Dry_T-50 28 November 2015 14: 38 New
      0
      Quote: Lex.
      Something is not enough 200 km, s-37 300 km but what about ks-172 400 km?

      200 kilometers is for export. For myself there will be P-37 with a range of 300 km and X-172 with a range of 400 km
  23. Azitral
    Azitral 28 November 2015 10: 25 New
    0
    Some kind of fiction. I can’t even believe it.
  24. Old26
    Old26 28 November 2015 10: 43 New
    +4
    Quote: sailor Roman
    I am sure that in addition to the active radar seeker, there are 3-4 more homing systems, well, missiles of all classes with one homing system are not being created today, read the literature ...

    Can you tell me what other homing systems can simultaneously be on a rocket? Especially in the amount of 3-4 pieces. It would be interesting to hear about such know-how ...

    Quote: Lex.
    Something is not enough 200 km, s-37 300 km but what about ks-172 400 km?

    200 km, as I heard, is an export version of the K-37ME rocket. For the Russian Air Force - a range of 300 km. KS-172 - it seems like you can put an end to it. The program is hardly a priority.
    1. pettabyte
      pettabyte 30 November 2015 15: 29 New
      0
      Quote: Old26
      Can you tell me what other homing systems can simultaneously be on a rocket?


      Optically electronic?
      But there, in theory, you need to show her a picture and say face. Otherwise, just fly and hit-and-hit what is the first to see.
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  26. kartalovkolya
    kartalovkolya 28 November 2015 10: 45 New
    +1
    In the autumn, chickens are considered, and another proverb like "... Count hay in stacks, and ... (and then everyone will add according to his own understanding)"! We will not rush to conclusions until the "commissioning" of these devices in action!
  27. Old26
    Old26 28 November 2015 11: 15 New
    17
    Quote: Thunderbolt
    By the way, YES! Su-35, with the body kit of these missiles in Syria --- then order! good And there were already a lot of pictures from the exhibition. What, in fact, gentlemen-comrades ..?


    And let us also them on MI-24 will put ??? What a pancake for mania, like children in a sandbox pulling everything in their mouths, so here. We didn’t have time to write about a new (conditionally) rocket - as there were calls: "TO SYRIA !!!!!!" or "Give them to the SU-35 in Syria !!!" am
    Damn, guys, but maybe enough to suck dreams out of your finger? it MILITARY REVIEW or site WHO SAYS MUCH MORE? It seems - the second. Something REVIEWS I don’t see in the comments, only urya-urya и give-give.

    Rocket designed for long interception. To intercept strategic bombers, strategic reconnaissance aircraft and AWACS. The carrier is MIG-31BM.
    So no, they are trying to hook on everyone. Su-35 in the amount of 2-3 dozen in its own air force and there in Syria NAFIG not needed. So no. Around the SU-35 with R-37M missiles and into Syria
  28. vel1163
    vel1163 28 November 2015 11: 34 New
    +1
    I wonder how far behind friends we are because of the Ocean. As they said on the website, our Su 24s were shot down with a new short-range missile with a head that remembers the silhouette of the target. Do we have these, and can we fight them?
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 28 November 2015 13: 02 New
    +2
    Quote: AlexTires
    For PAK FA, apparently ..

    Well, you need to live up to the PAK FA (if the engine is promised in 2018). The missile is made under the carrier. Of the available MiG-31s, for the long-range missile B-B, it has a powerful own radar and target designation systems from the ground or from the A-50 AWACS. hi
  30. Denimax
    Denimax 28 November 2015 13: 53 New
    0
    It is desirable that she could work on sea targets.
  31. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 28 November 2015 13: 56 New
    +2
    Quote: shans2
    cannot catch up with or fly away from anyone, 5 generation ..
    5 generation! A generation of helpless trash at sky-high prices! Oak crap, buy 35 XHlam generation!
    You put on the MiG-35 and Su-35 the normal headlight and all the properties of the stealth of the vaunted junk, as it were removed by hand. And with its detection range and with all sorts of goodies, not one will overcome our border.
  32. barsik92090
    barsik92090 28 November 2015 15: 18 New
    0
    Quote: Manul
    Quote: architect
    But what if it's true?

    Decent people at the present time say, there are no allies, except you yourself know whom. lol I did not remember the author, but I really liked it.

    So say those "decent" who have money in Western banks.
  33. wicked pinnochio
    wicked pinnochio 28 November 2015 15: 55 New
    0
    Well, we know how to make good rockets means not crooked hands
  34. Petruha
    Petruha 28 November 2015 18: 40 New
    0
    more goods! good and different ... nothing more to say. well done!
  35. Vadim12
    Vadim12 28 November 2015 20: 26 New
    0
    Missile velocity was not indicated. Apparently secret information. Just wondering if catching up will go well?
  36. Old26
    Old26 28 November 2015 20: 55 New
    0
    Quote: maiman61
    Russia has no partners and allies except the army and navy!

    In general, as far as I remember, the phrase sounded somewhat differently from the lips you yourself know whom: Russia has only two allies: the army and the navy

    Quote: BoA KAA
    Quote: Old26
    Run away. Active radar seeker clogged the same way as others. It all depends on the level of interference
    Volodya, and in the 2 channel version: ARLS / RLS or ARLS + IR / UV? I don’t know about aviation (they allow weight or not), but about RCC - it’s done, and it flies to the "joy" of the adversary! Again, the Harpoons ... so these nasty things are now barring and when they miss, they go into the second round, aspids!

    Sasha! ARLS and PRLS - the EMNIP option has already been implemented, only now I can’t say on which product. IR / UV in conjunction with ARLS is unrealistic. If an ARLS antenna is placed under the head fairing, then there is no place for the optical infrared seeker system, which is a mirror-lens lens. And vice versa

    The “Harpoons” still implemented something else. Speeds are not the same.

    Quote: Vadim12
    Missile velocity was not indicated. Apparently secret information. Just wondering if catching up will go well?

    You mean RVV-BD, it’s K-37M, it’s R-37M? Speed 6M
    1. xtur
      xtur 28 November 2015 22: 30 New
      0
      > Do you mean RVV-BD, it’s K-37M, it’s R-37M? 6M speed

      6M over the entire flight distance?

      And we are also told that hypersonic missiles are still in the process of testing.
  37. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 29 November 2015 05: 39 New
    +2
    Well, glad, our missile weapons developers are not standing still. It would be in production, but the plant (s) in 3 shift.
  38. Conscience
    Conscience 29 November 2015 08: 18 New
    0
    now for more ...
  39. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2015 09: 25 New
    +2
    Quote: xtur
    6M over the entire flight distance?

    Well, of course not. How do you imagine such a process that the whole distance? The rocket generates fuel and the speed accordingly begins to fall. By what value when reaching a maximum range of 300 km - I do not know ...

    Quote: xtur
    And we are also told that hypersonic missiles are still in the process of testing.

    You are confusing something. This has never been said with regard to both aircraft missiles and ballistic ones. Most often we are talking about cruise missiles, which for a long time should go at hypersonic speeds. There really are none

    Quote: LERTZ
    Well, glad, our missile weapons developers are not standing still. It would be in production, but the plant (s) in 3 shift.

    Desire - things are good, but opportunities ... Remember, as in a toast: let’s drink so that our desires coincide with our capabilities.
    So it is here. The factory that produces them does not work alone. There is cooperation and quite large. And what is the point of a three-shift missile production plant if a plant that supplies fuel or a homing head, for example, can produce only one shift ??? Here it is necessary to raise the whole industry ...
    1. xtur
      xtur 29 November 2015 21: 31 New
      0
      thanks for the answers!

      > Well, of course not. How do you imagine such a process that the whole distance?

      to dispel doubts, I asked you. So I certainly understand that the flight range and high speed throughout, things are the opposite, but to hear confirmation, I, nevertheless, would not be amiss

      > You are confusing something. This has never been said with regard to both aircraft missiles and ballistic ones.

      it was a rhetorical question on my part.
  40. SCHWERIN
    SCHWERIN 29 November 2015 10: 41 New
    0
    Of course, I rejoice when ours show and use new weapons. But! I have a question. We were told that the sky over Syria is closed. Aviation is more powerful than ever. So how did the Turkmens bring down our SU?
    What was not a missile strike warning? Did the pilots not pay attention to the radar exposure of the Turkmen? Vile from behind. So Adolf attacked vilely. But in reality it turned out that they were not ready for a war about which everyone knew and had numerical superiority in manpower and equipment.
    A military man should not believe anyone but his superiors. After all, the pilots could make a missile defense, or use special equipment on board to fail missile guidance systems. Can someone explain to me, not the aviator, how this could happen?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 29 November 2015 11: 03 New
      +1
      If the fighters covered the bombers,
      then he would have managed to warn them about the launch of a rocket.
      Although it is difficult to dodge this type of short-range missiles.
      they are very maneuverable and go to the IR image of the plane,
      not heat.
      Maybe the Su-35 could use rotary nozzles,
      but the Su-24 is unlikely.
      1. Markiz_A
        Markiz_A 29 November 2015 11: 53 New
        +1
        Is IR not warm? I always thought that IR means "infrared."
  41. Markiz_A
    Markiz_A 29 November 2015 11: 50 New
    0
    Quote: saturn.mmm
    Quote: Linkor9s21
    F35 fifth generation fighter? Yes, he can’t fly overboard, the maximum speed is 5

    The F-35 can fly at supersonic sound since supersonic sound starts at a speed of 1230 km / h, while the F-35, as you have noticed, has a maximum speed of 1900 km / h.

    1. What does supersonic have to do with it? Or the RVV-DB missile can only hit targets flying at supersonic sound?
    2. PAK-FA was created as an adversary of the F-22, and not the F-35.
    3. To launch a missile at maximum range, you need to detect the enemy aircraft at a slightly greater range. Those. at a range of 200 km, a missile can only be launched at a target the size of a B-52.
    4. To combat the F-22, rockets with a maximum range of 50 kilometers are suitable. Because at a longer range, the aircraft’s radar will simply not detect it.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 29 November 2015 12: 21 New
      +2
      Neither a VV class rocket nor a fighter-interceptor are self-sufficient. These are the components of the interception complex, the withdrawal of the interceptor and pointing at the intercepted object are carried out by the command post. And I doubt that ground-based detection tools see the F-22 no further than 50 km.
  42. Old26
    Old26 29 November 2015 12: 44 New
    +1
    Quote: SCHWERIN
    We were told that the sky over Syria is closed. Aviation is more powerful than ever. So how did the Turkmens bring down our SU?

    The Turkmens did not shoot down. You have mixed up the term for one of the nationalities. But that is not the point. The phrase "The sky is closed" is akin to the phrase "border on the castle." Both that, and another is not achievable in the absolute. In order for Syria’s sky to be closed, very large resources are needed, a large number of fighter planes, air defense systems, concentrated not in one place, but throughout the territory, which is unattainable, because ISIS and other groups control a fairly large part of Syria

    Quote: SCHWERIN
    What was not a missile strike warning? Did the pilots not pay attention to the radar exposure of the Turkmen? Vile from behind.

    What is mean - no one objects. everything is technically simple. There was an article on the VO with diagrams. Couple Turkish (not Turkmen) F-1 barraged near the border. Crew irradiation with ground-based radars was probably recorded, but if you are irradiated several times a day for months, it purely psychologically begins to be perceived as control by the Turks of their space. Most likely, the fighters did not turn on the onboard radars; they were brought to our bombers from the ground. And since there was no need for a radar with IR GOS, there was no need for a radar, especially since the distances there were measured 4-6 km.

    Quote: SCHWERIN
    After all, the pilots could make a missile defense, or use special equipment on board to fail missile guidance systems.

    Could if they knew about the attack

    Quote: Markiz_A
    And what does supersonic have to do with it? Or the RVV-DB missile can only hit targets flying at supersonic sound?

    Simple Linkor9s21 I was indignant that the F35 was called a 5th generation fighter, saying that it could not fly on top, because its maximum speed is 1900 km / h

    Quote: Markiz_A
    3. To launch a missile at maximum range, you need to detect the enemy aircraft at a slightly greater range. Those. at a range of 200 km, a missile can only be launched at a target the size of a B-52.

    Of course, at a range of 200-300 km, the radar will not see targets with low ESR. EMNIP MIG-31 radar at such a range takes targets with an EPR of 13 square meters. meters
  43. bayk777
    bayk777 29 November 2015 17: 14 New
    +1
    Interestingly, a range of 200 km. is it traditionally underestimated TTH or did they write the truth here?))
  44. Former battalion commander
    Former battalion commander 29 November 2015 20: 18 New
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    The missile looks good ... but homing by radar is very susceptible to electronic warfare equipment ... Most likely, this missile, when approaching an aircraft with electronic warfare, will simply fool and dart in the opposite direction or explode on approach to the target ... Homing heads should have at least 3-4 channels from the following, and ALL channels are better. I will list them in an approximate hierarchical sequence:
    1. Channel remote control from the attacking aircraft. (top priority).
    2. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target radar signal of the attacking aircraft.
    3. The radar channel REFLECTED from the target signal of its radar.
    4. The channel of any radio emission from the target.
    5. Channel infrared radiation from the target.
    6. The channel of visible radiation from the target.
    7. Internal inertial target designation system. (When there is no information from any target channel.)
    Only having such a target designation system can we talk about the SIGNIFICANT probability of defeat of a modern aircraft with an integrated protection system.
    1. monopodman
      monopodman 30 November 2015 15: 04 New
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      As far as I know, in this rocket (like RVV-SD) it is realized:

      1, 3, 4, 7 and possibly 2 (semi-active mode)
  45. Santjaga_Garka
    Santjaga_Garka 29 November 2015 20: 21 New
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    They won’t make jokes with such things, “let it go and forget it” - one can already say there is no goal, that’s how the “gentlemen” and their hangers-on!
  46. Risiana
    Risiana 29 November 2015 20: 46 New
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    I hope the new rocket hits the first American plane!
  47. mahhh75
    mahhh75 29 November 2015 21: 30 New
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    Gentlemen are good. For the 5th generation of fighter jets, the task is to achieve supersonic speed without afterburning engines. Go beyond the site.
    1. Bath Rumbets
      Bath Rumbets 29 November 2015 21: 35 New
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      Mr. mahhh75, fighters are weapons of the dark ages. Internet affects you badly
  48. mahhh75
    mahhh75 29 November 2015 21: 40 New
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    more precisely, logging in dannm mode.
  49. Bath Rumbets
    Bath Rumbets 29 November 2015 21: 48 New
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    And more precisely, you are discussing how to * overseas lesson * and it seems to you that you can make an invisible plane :))
    Your overseas friends put a card on this and ... lost a lot of trillion dollars and a lot of time :))
  50. LEX SU
    LEX SU 30 November 2015 06: 48 New
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    we don’t make any demands on the pilot, we just have to cross the border
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