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The Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Aerospace Force told in detail how the Turkish Air Force aircraft shot down the Russian Su-24M

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The details of the attack by the Turkish Air Force of the Russian Su-24, as a result of which the aircraft of the Russian Aerospace Force was shot down, was presented by Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force of Russia Viktor Bondarev. According to Viktor Bondarev, the crew of the Su-24M with tail number 83 and the crew of the second front-line bomber in 9: 15 (MSK) received a combat mission to strike in the area of ​​Kepir-Mortlu-Zakhia in northern Syria. The plane with the crew in the person of commander Oleg Peshkov and navigator Konstantin Murakhtin took off, carrying the OFAB-4-250 270.


We present the full text of the statement by Viktor Bondarev, published on the official website Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:

Crews were assigned a duty zone in the air in the area of ​​the settlement. Maaret en Nuuman at echelons 5800 and 5650, respectively.
Take off from the airfield Hmeimim produced in 9 hours 42 minutes.

In 9 hours 52 minutes Su-24M entered and 34 minutes were in the detection zone of the Turkish Air Force's radar equipment.

20 minutes after the crew’s duty in the airborne zone, a command was received from the command post of the Khmeimim airbase to destroy the militants in a given area.

Crews successively bombed two assigned targets and re-entered the left turn to destroy the remaining two designated targets.

In the process of attacking the target, located at a distance of 5,5 km south of the Turkish state border, in 10 hours 24 minutes the crew of Lieutenant Colonel O. Peshkova completed the bombing, after which the F-16 Turkish air force took off from an air-to-air missile with an F-8 Turkish military aircraft that took off from the XNUMX airfield Avb, Diyarbakır, located in Turkey.

When analyzing the video recording of the air situation indicator, received from the command post of the Syrian Air Force and Air Defense, a mark of the air target was detected, flying at a speed of 810 km / h from Turkey in the direction of the state border with a course of 190 degrees.

After the Turkish fighter came close to the Su-24M aircraft at a distance equal to the missile launch range - 5-7 km, which indicates that the F-16 aircraft was over the SAR territory, the fighter performed a sharp maneuver to the right with a decline and disappeared from the air situation indicator screen.

In accordance with the materials of the objective control of air defense systems, the Turkish aircraft was in Syrian airspace 40 sec and plunged into its territory on 2 km, and the Russian bomber did not violate the state border of Turkey.

The launch of the rocket confirms the crew of the leading aircraft. After the combat use of the target and turning to the left for the course of 130 degrees, he observed a torch and a plume of white smoke to his left, which he reported to the head of the flight.

In 10 hours 25 minutes, the head of flights recorded the disappearance of the radar mark on the circular view indicator from the Su-24м aircraft. On his further inquiries and inquiries of the crew of the aircraft leading lieutenant colonel O. Peshkov. did not answer.

The required flight time of the F-16c from the airbase (Diyarbakir) from the ground position to the missile launch site is 46 minutes (of which 15 minutes are the preparation and take-off of the aircraft, 31 minute is the flight time to the launch line).

Thus, interception of the Su-24m aircraft from the ground position on the ground from the Diyarbakyr airfield is impossible, since the required flight time exceeds the minimum time to attack the target for 12 minutes.

At the same time, the results of the objective monitoring of the Syrian radar confirm that two F-16c are in the air zone from 9 hours 11 minutes to 10 hours 26 minutes during 1 hours 15 minutes at 2400 meters, which means that fighters are ready to take action ambush in the air over the territory of Turkey.




Victor Bondarev:

It should be noted that the termination of the maneuvering of the fighter aircraft in the zone of duty and the beginning of the rapid exit to the pre-launch point occurred in 1 minutes. 40 seconds to the maximum approach of the Su-24 aircraft to the Syrian-Turkish border. The way the F-16c aircraft emerges into the zone of permitted launches (not along the chase curve) indicates that the fighter is pointing from a ground control point.

The actions of the Turkish aircraft after the launch of missiles over the territory of Syria - a forced turn with a loss of height and departure below the lower boundary of the detection of air defense systems - also speaks of the perfidious and planned nature of the crew’s actions.

At the same time, the objective control of the Khmeimim airfield and the lead aircraft did not indicate a single request by the crew of the Turkish aircraft to our pilots at the previously agreed frequency.

The readiness of the Turkish media to cover the incident is amazing.

The air-to-air missile was hit by the Turkish Air Force's F-16 pilot in 10 hours 24 minutes and after 1,5 hours the video with the plane’s crash was posted on YouTube by a Turkish private broadcaster.

Perspective shooting allows you to determine its possible location. It is located on the territory controlled by radical terrorist groups of immigrants from the North Caucasus and the former Soviet republics.

The operator knew the time and place from which it would be possible to make exclusive shots.

The operational appearance of a gang of militants at the landing site and the publication of a video clip of this incident on the Internet in an hour and a half testify to the advance notice of terrorists about the upcoming provocation for its video documentation and posting of the footage on social networks of the Internet.

All these facts clearly indicate the advance preparation for the destruction of the aircraft and the informational coverage of these actions with the use of the Turkish Air Force, illegal armed groups, and Turkish news agencies, with the active support of the media.

Leadership aviation After the signing of a memorandum of understanding between the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and the Ministry of Defense of the United States of America, which manages the coalition forces, on October 23, 2015, measures to prevent incidents between military aircraft of the Russian Ministry of Defense and the Coalition countries participating in the operation were strictly implemented.

In accordance with these agreements, information was sent in advance from the control point of the Russian Air Force at the Khmeimim airbase to representatives of the US Air Force indicating the areas of use of our Su-24M bomber pair and the occupied echelons.

Therefore, the statements of various officials of Turkey that they did not know the ownership of our aircraft are puzzling.
Moreover, the Turkish military leadership grossly violated all international laws on the procedure for protecting the state border in airspace.

I would also like to especially draw your attention to the fact that after the tragedy, there was no apology from the Turkish side, nor offers of assistance in finding and evacuating the crew.




Colonel-General Viktor Bondarev, Commander-in-Chief of the Russian Space Forces of the Russian Federation, expressed his gratitude to all those who participated in the search and rescue operation, which resulted in the successful return of navigator Konstantin Murakhtin to the airbase Hmeimim.

In the final part of the briefing, Viktor Bondarev expressed condolences to the families and friends of the dead Russian servicemen: Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov and Private Alexander Pozychnich.

Victor Bondarev:
In conclusion, I want to say that I am proud of the pilots of the Aerospace Forces, the technicians, the commanders, the supporting personnel who perform combat missions in the framework of the fight against international terrorism in Syria.

And I want to express my deepest condolences to the families and friends of Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Peshkov and Private Alexander Pozychnich, who died saving our crew.

We will not abandon the family of our comrades and will provide them with all necessary assistance.
Photos used:
http://syria.mil.ru/
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  1. neznakomez
    neznakomez 27 November 2015 18: 45 New
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    LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
    "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 27 November 2015 18: 50 New
      +9
      Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin .... Let them only go into Syria! Israel is also concerned! hi
      1. Lepila
        Lepila 27 November 2015 19: 03 New
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        Meehan, have mercy !!!! Why are you so bad that we have done you bad? Meehan, do not destroy us, unchristians ...
        1. a52333
          a52333 27 November 2015 19: 14 New
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          Quote: Lepila
          Meehan, have mercy !!!! Why are you so bad that we have done you bad? Meehan, do not destroy us, unchristians ...

          Meehan WATER! already bombed Turkey, freed Syria, Israel intimidated ...
          Greeks in a panic !!!! Meehan, forgive us, we mistakenly climbed into Natu ...
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          2. crumb
            crumb 28 November 2015 09: 27 New
            +2
            well, not in but on that wink
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 28 November 2015 18: 19 New
              +2
              Quote: croche
              well, not in but on that

              Well, not ON, but ON NAT
              1. a52333
                a52333 28 November 2015 20: 50 New
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                Quote: Corporal Valera
                UNDER NAT


                Yes ! So the best !! laughing
        2. PQ-18
          PQ-18 27 November 2015 19: 45 New
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          Meehan, do not destroy us, unchristians ...

          The wonders of YOUR (Jewish) plastic medicine ... belay
          EASY (and, for the shekels of naturals.) TURN ... wink
          You are "infidel" in ... request
          FULL Christians! good
          wassat
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        4. SibSlavRus
          SibSlavRus 28 November 2015 09: 30 New
          +6
          Breaking news came from the Syrian army. All key heights, Turkman dugouts in the area where the Russian Su-24 was shot down, were cleared of militants and captured by the Syrian army.
          But this is not all good news. The Kurds stepped up attacks against militants and the so-called SSA towards the Turkish border from Aleppo.
          The Russian Aerospace Forces strike strikes against the positions of militants in the border regions, ensuring the Kurds advance to the border, which actually means the interaction of the Kurds and the Russian Aerospace Forces in the region (which was not the case before).
          http://www.e-news.su/in-world/86610
      2. Jack-b
        Jack-b 27 November 2015 19: 04 New
        +1
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin .... Let them only go into Syria! Israel is also concerned!

        They are already being written in the air to rise. Like naughty kittens scamper in the corners.
        1. alexng
          alexng 28 November 2015 00: 46 New
          +4
          The general who gave the order to fire on drying has already gone to the Hurias. I think the pilot will not be "tormented" for long in frustration about what he has done. They were no longer needed for both sides. This is what they always do with the feet. And the ergondon-smerdogan, whether he wants it or not, is already a political corpse and in a month and a half will overtake these two creatures in Hell.
      3. sanja.grw
        sanja.grw 27 November 2015 19: 05 New
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        It’s necessary somehow
        1. maxgod84
          maxgod84 29 November 2015 20: 51 New
          +1
          one hundred percent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
          !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
      4. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 27 November 2015 19: 30 New
        +6
        MIKHAN, do you have a certain Buonaparte ancestor? laughing
      5. OSCAR777
        OSCAR777 27 November 2015 20: 04 New
        +2
        ROOF RIDES HOUSE Worth wassat
      6. nycsson
        nycsson 27 November 2015 22: 04 New
        +4
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin ....

        Do you know how many of them all are? request
        1. ydjin
          ydjin 28 November 2015 08: 34 New
          0
          Quote: nycsson
          Quote: MIKHAN
          Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin ....

          Do you know how many of them all are? request

          Now fuck to fly over Syria to our (partners).
      7. NordUral
        NordUral 28 November 2015 00: 20 New
        0
        Why provoke?
      8. leo3972
        leo3972 28 November 2015 01: 49 New
        0
        Sorry, I didn’t understand, but where are the Jews and what have they done to you?
      9. The black
        The black 28 November 2015 08: 40 New
        +3
        Hunting for hunters ”- Syrian special forces videotaped and photographed the corpses of militants from the detachment of“ hunters ”on the crew of a downed Russian Su-24 bomber in Northern Latakia.

        According to the Syrian commandos, photos and screenshots from the operational video were taken in the area of ​​the crash of the SU-24.https: //vk.com/mor.pexota
      10. Lenin
        Lenin 30 November 2015 13: 52 New
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        Quote: MIKHAN
        Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin .... Let them only go into Syria! Israel is also concerned! hi

        But just before hunting, I would have figured out why the tricky electronics of the "drying" did not warn the pilot about the attack. Before extinguishing everyone, it is necessary to eliminate weaknesses, otherwise the enemy will certainly take advantage of them and the score may not be in our favor. hi
    2. Karavan-150
      Karavan-150 27 November 2015 18: 50 New
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      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
      "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".

      And why do this? there are still many of our tourists, we must first take everyone out of there.
      1. Rus2012
        Rus2012 27 November 2015 19: 02 New
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        Quote: Karavan-150
        many more of our tourists, we must first take everyone out of there.

        ... of our tourists, it remains - approx. 7tys. To 5dec. everyone will be taken out. After 7, everything will begin ...

        And now - after 01.01.16 - the visa regime is introduced.
        From January 1 of 2016, Russia suspends the visa-free regime with Turkey. This was stated at a press conference following negotiations with his Syrian counterpart, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.
        Original news RT in Russian:
        https://russian.rt.com/article/133192
      2. PQ-18
        PQ-18 27 November 2015 19: 28 New
        +4
        And why do this? there are still many of our tourists, we must first take everyone out of there.

        Adolfich artistically and shockingly PR, as usual ... wassat
        1. Baikonur
          Baikonur 27 November 2015 20: 25 New
          +9
          Quote: neznakomez
          LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
          "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".

          Cons unmeasured. What attacked him? The man pinned (I tried to cheer you all up, young officer laughing ) over all beloved (each in his own way) Zhirinovsky.
          Nevertheless, they remember how he said that our scientists will tilt the earth's axis and America will go under water!
          Everyone was happy, laughing! Like here, too, not all are wooden, they must understand humor!
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    3. a52333
      a52333 27 November 2015 18: 53 New
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      It is better to take the European side from them (the Turks) ... and the Turkish stream will go straight to Greece. that was a topic !!!
      1. i80186
        i80186 27 November 2015 19: 02 New
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        Quote: a52333
        It is better to take the European side from them (the Turks) ... and the Turkish stream will go straight to Greece. that was a topic !!!

        It is better if the Great Armenian, Great Greek and Great Bulgarian Republics appear. Well, as it should have been according to the results of the First World War.
        1. a52333
          a52333 27 November 2015 19: 08 New
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          that’s how it is, but I don’t see them making any effort to this end. And to fight to please the "brothers"? Nah ...

          In! theme!
          1. ALEA IACTA EST
            ALEA IACTA EST 27 November 2015 19: 25 New
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            City of federal significance Constantinople? .. winked
            1. kubanec
              kubanec 27 November 2015 20: 08 New
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              ------- The city of federal significance Constantinople? ..-------- or simply-CARBON !!!!
          2. i80186
            i80186 27 November 2015 20: 41 New
            +4
            Quote: a52333
            that’s how it is, but I don’t see them making any effort to this end. And to fight to please the "brothers"? Nah ...

            Instead of little brothers it’s possible for us, I don’t actually mind. smile

            Quote: a52333
            In! theme!

            And this is not a topic, this is another result of the First World War - Constantinople instead of Istanbul, Russian straits. We then fought for this and actually won. But a revolution.
            1. dr.star75
              dr.star75 27 November 2015 21: 07 New
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              NOT a revolution, but a coup d'etat. The landing on Constantinople was scheduled for February 17, but the top officers blocked the tsar, and the army went into the ranks (a la maidan), but in October the conspirators themselves were thrown off, so this is the Great October Revolution.
              1. qQQQ
                qQQQ 30 November 2015 12: 13 New
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                Quote: dr.star75
                NOT revolution, but coup d'etat

                You can have a different attitude to those events, but still this is a revolution. There was a change in the social system (the monarchy on, I do not remember exactly, the parliamentary republic) and it does not matter in what way and how many people participated in this. The revolution only differs from the coup precisely in the depth of the consequences (this is for brevity). Therefore, the February and October revolutions are precisely.
            2. dr.star75
              dr.star75 27 November 2015 21: 07 New
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              NOT a revolution, but a coup d'etat. The landing on Constantinople was scheduled for February 17, but the top officers blocked the tsar, and the army went into the ranks (a la maidan), but in October the conspirators themselves were thrown off, so this is the Great October Revolution.
        2. Fafnir
          Fafnir 27 November 2015 19: 14 New
          +9
          No, Bulgarian is not necessary.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 02: 29 New
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            Quote: Fafnir
            No, Bulgarian is not necessary.

            Well, why ... Brothers, when they are sitting on a short leash, guys are really nothing ... I communicated with them in the 70s and 80s. Friendly, cheerful, delicious wines, and "Golden Sands" is no worse than any Antalya and Sharmalsheikhs put together ... Although I never suffered from sentimentality, I still remember the Rose Valley before my eyes and remember the smell ... Estessno - then they would try to blather. ..
        3. svetoruss
          svetoruss 27 November 2015 19: 19 New
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          Quote: i80186
          Quote: a52333
          It is better to take the European side from them (the Turks) ... and the Turkish stream will go straight to Greece. that was a topic !!!

          It is better if the Great Armenian, Great Greek and Great Bulgarian Republics appear. Well, as it should have been according to the results of the First World War.

          Uh ... you, as I understand it, for the fact that at our expense someone would become "Great", and then dodge their "gratitude"?
        4. PQ-18
          PQ-18 27 November 2015 19: 35 New
          +8
          Better if the Great Armenian, Great Greek and Great Bulgarian Republics appear.

          it is better for these bonded NATO vassals to already forget about statehood!
          So that Russian blood should be shed for "THESE" ONCE AGAIN! am
        5. vovanpain
          vovanpain 27 November 2015 19: 50 New
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          Quote: 79807420129
          .u Turks and Obama another jerk that Putin planned?

          That’s probably what he’s planning, At the main terrorist to pull out his teeth, DAM gives the tool.
        6. Mama_Cholli
          Mama_Cholli 27 November 2015 22: 10 New
          +3
          Quote: i80186
          Quote: a52333
          It is better to take the European side from them (the Turks) ... and the Turkish stream will go straight to Greece. that was a topic !!!

          It is better if the Great Armenian, Great Greek and Great Bulgarian Republics appear. Well, as it should have been according to the results of the First World War.

          I do not agree. Western Turkey - to Russia, the central part to Kurds, the eastern part to Armenians. That will be right. All these peoples deserve this land.
        7. 78bor1973
          78bor1973 27 November 2015 22: 20 New
          +2
          These Greeks and Bulgarians missed their moment a hundred years ago!
        8. BARKHAN
          BARKHAN 27 November 2015 22: 25 New
          +5
          Is this the type you suggest to us, to win back the territory from the Turks at the cost of your blood and give them to these bastards? Or just wave a magic wand? You can, of course, create an Armenian-Greek-Bulgarian army and throw them into Turkey, then they can create "great republics" for themselves ...
        9. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 02: 21 New
          +4
          Quote: i80186
          It is better if the Great Armenian, Great Greek and Great Bulgarian Republics appear. Well, as it should have been according to the results of the First World War.

          And according to the results of the Second World War - French SSR, German SSR, Austrian SSR and so on ... Republics up to about 35 ... And I'm serious about this. And Berlin in 45 was razed to the ground, covered with a meter layer of salt, fenced with a thorn and written around: "Here was the capital of a state that decided that it could defeat Russia" ... Such "propaganda" would have sufficed even longer than the Japanese Hiroshima ...
      2. Rus2012
        Rus2012 27 November 2015 19: 04 New
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        Quote: a52333
        It’s better to take the European side from them (Turks) ...

        The straits must be Russian! bully
        1. PQ-18
          PQ-18 27 November 2015 19: 36 New
          +5
          The straits must be Russian!

          drinks
          and the adjacent territories! good
          1. muhomor
            muhomor 27 November 2015 19: 57 New
            0
            I agree but not completelydrinks
        2. Serg koma
          Serg koma 28 November 2015 10: 37 New
          +2
          Quote: Rus2012
          The straits must be Russian!

          Straits, straits ... DO NOT OUTPUT! It will be enough if we return the historical name to some architectural masterpieces, for example, the Hagia Sophia, we will do a good deed (under the program of state support for the development of municipalities and the creation of conditions for the implementation of the constitutional powers of local self-government lol )! And if we still recall who is the heir to the Byzantine Empire, we have all rights to the throne of Constantinople HISTORICALLY (
          1. The adoption of Christianity according to the Greek model finally approved Russia as the successor of the Byzantine traditions during the reign of Grand Duke Vladimir Svyatoslavich, the baptist of Russia, who married the sister of Emperor Anna (the Byzantine princess from the Macedonian dynasty).
          2.Vladimir Monomakh - the Son of Prince Vsevolod Yaroslavich. Called Monomakh, nicknamed the clan of the mother, who was the daughter of the Byzantine emperor Constantine IX Monomakh.
          3. The second wife of Ivan III was Princess Sofia Paleolog, niece of the last Byzantine emperor Constantine XI.) !!! laughing

          PS
          Taking Constantinople and hanging the shield on the gates of the city, Oleg proved to the ancient empire that a new force is emerging in the vastness of Europe, which cannot be ignored.
      3. Turkir
        Turkir 27 November 2015 20: 26 New
        +4
        It’s better to take the European side from them (the Turks) ... and the Turkish stream will go straight to Greece

        Well, it would already be "Russian Stream".
    4. dsi
      dsi 27 November 2015 18: 58 New
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      just throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and wash it off. It will be such a terrible flood, a column of water

      And what will be the infection, for example, the Black Sea will become inaccessible for habitation.
      ps I still think what guides such thinkers ...
      1. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 27 November 2015 19: 01 New
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        You do not even be like the proposals for the atomic bombing "no censor". Our Russia is not a shalman, but a world power, the habits of gopots in the politics of serious countries are not permissible. Let's find out how to answer correctly. No hysterics but adequate.

        Enough idiots at the embassy, ​​made a picture for the Western media. There are no brains. Turkey (at least its current government) is an ENEMY, and they are fighting against the enemy, not green stuff with rotten eggs.
        1. alexej123
          alexej123 27 November 2015 23: 19 New
          +1
          A clear, concise and concise commentary - how to SHOT.
        2. alexej123
          alexej123 27 November 2015 23: 19 New
          0
          A clear, concise and concise commentary - how to SHOT.
      2. 79807420129
        79807420129 27 November 2015 19: 19 New
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        Quote: dsi
        just throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and wash it off. It will be such a terrible flood, a column of water

        And what will be the infection, for example, the Black Sea will become inaccessible for habitation.
        ps I still think what guides such thinkers ...

        I understand these thinkers, the ashes of SU-24 are beating in my heart, but one’s head must always be kept cold, it’s clear that this is a planned provocation and it was not planned by Erdogan’s ass, it’s planned in CIA’s headquarters and you shouldn’t rush now, these thinkers give them freedom to break such firewood, little will not seem to anyone, why Putin is nice, he is silent, silent, and ... the whole globe just gasps, and all this, as they say, without raising their voices, such tricks will not go to anyone for nothing, Putin is clear said: this is a stab in the back from the accomplices of the terrorists, as the Turks are now jerking along the same donkey Erdogan, he rushes back and forth and carries frank delirium, and Putin is silent and .... but it is possible to shy away with a nuclear bomb, but are there any consequences the thinkers thought, is it that the arrogant Saxons are just waiting for this blow and their hands are untied then, will we throw vigorous bombs? It’s better to let Putin keep quiet and ... the Turks and Obama have another jerk that Putin planned?
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 27 November 2015 20: 03 New
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          When Vladimir Putin spoke on TV for the first time, after a shot down SU, I looked at his expression on his face and listened to the timbre of his voice (diplomacy, saying something with words is not so important). Honestly, I do not envy those who brought the President to this state. Himself in closet wanted. Although I have something to do with it.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 27 November 2015 20: 18 New
            +5
            Quote: avva2012
            When Vladimir Putin spoke on TV for the first time, after a shot down SU, I looked at his expression on his face and listened to the timbre of his voice (diplomacy, saying something with words is not so important). Honestly, I do not envy those who brought the President to this state. Himself in closet wanted. Although I have something to do with it.

            Here I agree with you. The VVP intelligence officer, who has gone through the Lubyanka school and knows how to control his feelings and emotions, is because there is nowhere for him. But then, the news made him angry not childish and it was clear ... he didn’t want to, but The 41st year clearly blew.
            1. Throw
              Throw 27 November 2015 22: 25 New
              +3
              41-m, not 41-m, but when it was posted from the Saratov region that Engels airbase had been raised to the wing, a bigbadabum blew ..
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 27 November 2015 22: 43 New
                +3
                Quote: Lance
                41-m, not 41-m, but when it was posted from the Saratov region that Engels airbase had been raised to the wing, a bigbadabum blew ..

                So they started to upgrade the Mace ... apparently, Sarmat will be on duty earlier than planned. It would be better to modernize Iskander-M so that the missile range would be at least a thousand and a half, then it would be fun at all.
                The adversary does not give us time to complete the rearmament and modernization, and everything has to be done in a hurry and on the run ...
                We would have more tactical long-range systems capable of working on the ground, and of course, equipping the fleet with the same Caliber.
                Bigbadabum is most likely from the category of STATUS-6 projects. And whether it was just an "advertising booklet" for an adversary or is it really being developed, we will not know soon enough.
                In general, calculating what the GDP will do is not realistic yet. And I personally am very interested to see how he plays this game.
                Sincerely. hi
                1. Throw
                  Throw 28 November 2015 07: 42 New
                  -1
                  Potatoes only in this party are speckled ..
                  Mutually hi
          2. Mobilized
            Mobilized 27 November 2015 20: 38 New
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            Quote: avva2012
            I looked at his expression, and listened to the timbre of his voice

            Putin’s external softness hides his ferocity well. He brutally punishes the one who stabbed him personally (!).
        2. skifd
          skifd 27 November 2015 22: 59 New
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          Quote: 79807420129
          this donkey Erdogan
      3. GRAY
        GRAY 27 November 2015 19: 21 New
        +4
        Quote: dsi
        And what will be the infection, for example, the Black Sea will become inaccessible for habitation.
        ps I still think what guides such thinkers ...

        Nuacho? 40 kilotons flew to Hiroshima and Nagasaka and nothing, people live normally there.
        Fukushima again ... the "world community", on this occasion, somehow does not buzz - then everything is normal.
        Modern ammunition will be cleaner - Turks will accept 300-400 kilotons and normal, the nature will not suffer much.
        1. PQ-18
          PQ-18 27 November 2015 19: 39 New
          -2
          Modern ammunition will be cleaner - Turks will accept 300-400 kilotons and normal, the nature will not suffer much.

          in Chelyabinsk, the shock wave from the meteorite passed approximately 300 ctn, And ..
          see video, how RUSSIAN took this crap! laughing
        2. dsi
          dsi 27 November 2015 19: 51 New
          +7
          40 kilotons flew to Hiroshima and Nagasaka and nothing,

          "Kid" is from 13 to 18 kilotons, and "Fat Man" is the equivalent, 21 kilotons of TNT. do not confuse the power of the explosion with radiation.
          The concept of "radioactive contamination" in those years did not exist, and therefore this issue was not even raised then. People continued to live and rebuild the destroyed buildings in the same place where they were before. Even the high mortality of the population in subsequent years, as well as diseases and genetic abnormalities in children born after the bombing, were not initially associated with exposure to radiation. The evacuation of the population from the infected areas was not carried out, since no one knew about the very presence of radioactive contamination.

          It is rather difficult to give an accurate assessment of the degree of this pollution due to a lack of information, however, since the first atomic bombs were technically relatively weak and imperfect (the Malysh bomb, for example, contained 64 kg of uranium, of which only about 700 g of the reaction division), the level of contamination of the area could not be significant, although it posed a serious danger to the population. For comparison: at the time of the accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in the reactor core there were several tons of fission products and transuranium elements - various radioactive isotopes accumulated during reactor operation.

          This is cognitive.
          I'm going to work and listening to the radio. And during the transfer to the radio station, a message came from the Turkish radio listener, I do not remember literally, but approximately:
          -Russia forgive us! We are not all Erdogans ...
        3. Zefr
          Zefr 30 November 2015 00: 03 New
          0
          Quote: dsi
          And what will be the infection, for example, the Black Sea will become inaccessible for habitation.
          ps I still think what guides such thinkers ...

          The Black Sea is full of hydrogen sulfide. If you stir him up ... hell knows what will happen. At least everyone will rest from the stench, and at the maximum this rubbish will explode.
      4. I read the news
        I read the news 27 November 2015 19: 40 New
        +3
        There will be no infection. Short-lived isotopes are short-lived.
        1. dsi
          dsi 27 November 2015 20: 11 New
          +1
          There will be no infection. Short-lived isotopes are short-lived.

          The value of the half-life for different isotopes can vary over a very wide range. In accordance with this, all radioactive isotopes are usually divided into two groups - short-lived (T ½ <10 days) and long-lived (T ½> 10 days).

          Enlighten mnu, what sources of short-lived isotopes are used in modern nuclear bombs? ...
          1. agent rossii
            agent rossii 27 November 2015 20: 36 New
            +1
            probably the thickest wassat
            1. dsi
              dsi 27 November 2015 20: 53 New
              +1
              -The elder said: -Chipmunk -bird! So, look for feathers !!!
      5. PQ-18
        PQ-18 27 November 2015 19: 51 New
        0
        and Japanese is quiet now?
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      7. avdkrd
        avdkrd 27 November 2015 21: 41 New
        0
        Quote: dsi
        just throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and wash it off. It will be such a terrible flood, a column of water

        And what will be the infection, for example, the Black Sea will become inaccessible for habitation.
        ps I still think what guides such thinkers ...

        there is an opinion, moreover, justified by specialized scientists, that the limited use of nuclear weapons will not lead to an environmental disaster. Of course, we are not talking about hundreds or thousands of warheads used in a limited period of time, but for example, the Fukushima accident is equated to about a hundred ordinary non-weak warheads. Modern nuclear weapons are relatively clean and the consequences are mostly short lived isotopes and induced radiation. The epicenter represents the maximum danger for 7 days. Of course, the Black Sea is a pity, but it seems to me that such a scenario can happen only if a provocation with a downed plane is aimed at further escalating the conflict. Russia was put in a difficult situation - it is impossible not to answer, it is also impossible to answer weakly - the response must correspond. There is no particular doubt that there will be a military response, just as there is no doubt that the planetary crap will raise a howl and the response to our response will depend on whether the Bosphorus will remain a strait or turn into a new sea. In the case of such a scenario, the geography will generally change greatly and grieve over the Black Sea will be, according to the proverb, "they don't cry through their hair."
        1. dsi
          dsi 27 November 2015 22: 04 New
          -4
          There is an opinion, and justified by relevant scientists, that the limited use of nuclear weapons will not lead to an environmental disaster.

          There is an opinion and justified by specialized scientists,that the devil exists ...
          The Black Sea is certainly a pity

          and will grieve over the Black Sea according to the proverb "when they take their heads off they don't cry"

          That's where the logic is! I asked: “Enlighten me, what sources of short-lived isotopes are used in modern nuclear bombs ?.
          Your Answer:
          Modern nuclear munitions are relatively clean and the consequences are mainly represented by short-lived isotopes and induced radiation.

          Are you a robot
    5. Ross_ulair
      Ross_ulair 27 November 2015 19: 01 New
      10
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed the option of launching a nuclear missile strike on Istanbul’s largest city in Turkey ...


      Brad!
      And Zhirik didn’t say such a thing - for the last days every evening he speaks at Solovyov’s program.
      But to answer through third parties - he suggested that! To help the Kurds with arms and diplomacy (recognize Kurdistan), help Armenia to return the lands owed to them (and this is more than half of present-day Armenia) with diplomacy and weapons (it is not a problem to establish supplies). This is the thing!

      Well, landing any UFO that at least touches the Syrian border with a wing is my wish. Warning, naturally! But only after starting!
      1. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 27 November 2015 22: 33 New
        +7
        Something I also do not recall such plans at Volfych ... Maybe I missed it? request
        It would be possible to throw a reference too. Otherwise, it is a gag and a chatter. Zhirinovsky wolf is old and seasoned, and only fools consider him a clown. At the threshold of the war he is very neat, although he betrays ...
    6. AlexTires
      AlexTires 27 November 2015 19: 01 New
      -5
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.

      Vova such cruel. He wants to destroy the whole city, but peaceful people live there and there are probably many pretty women who are sorry. You can not do it this way. It is necessary to come up with something else. Throw sleepy tablets disguised as sweets, they will get drunk and fall asleep. And then already go in there, slaughter all the peasants, and tear up all the women.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 49 New
        -4
        The plan is good, I approve, but I will amend it. Sleepy woman to tear uninteresting. I suggest the peasants to tie everyone together, and when they wake up, they should tear up the woken up women before their eyes.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 20: 36 New
          -1
          Who's the minus here? I ask to argue ..
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          2. alexej123
            alexej123 27 November 2015 23: 23 New
            -3
            They did not understand that it was banter.
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      3. STALK1974
        STALK1974 27 November 2015 20: 01 New
        +2
        It’s better to have a blizzard, while everyone is graying, you can take warm ones.
    7. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 27 November 2015 19: 02 New
      +5
      Quote: neznakomez
      "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".

      Dumb populism. fool
      1. Koshak
        Koshak 27 November 2015 19: 45 New
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Dumb populism. fool

        Stupid stuffing. One went with three baskets, and the crowd, not including their brains, was seduced and, in all seriousness, began to get along all this.
    8. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 27 November 2015 19: 03 New
      +1
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
      "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".

      Is it not better then to free Constantinople from the yoke? what
    9. Nikolay K
      Nikolay K 27 November 2015 19: 13 New
      0
      Old Balabol
      1. Zefr
        Zefr 30 November 2015 00: 16 New
        0
        I also think it's balabol. A red-hot ballistic warhead, when it enters the water, will simply burst from the sudden cooling, water will get inside and the transistors will close. And it will be just a strong "gurgle", without a tsunami.
    10. GRAY
      GRAY 27 November 2015 19: 14 New
      +1
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.

      In Ankara it is necessary, they have headquarters there.
    11. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 19: 20 New
      +9
      And the worst thing is that our allies in the ADKB, SCO, etc. are silent in a rag ..... and no gu-gu ..... it’s a shame to behave this way ..... how to ask for money or help when cockerel pecks, duck turn, and how to maintain ...... silence ...
      1. drugg
        drugg 27 November 2015 20: 21 New
        +5
        Hit the mark. But your words reached true friends. And I assure them of the majority who really grieve and cheer for you and are ready to fight with you. But this is just ordinary people, unfortunately the top is silent.
      2. Zefr
        Zefr 30 November 2015 00: 18 New
        0
        Yes, and Old Man something, completely shut up. And asks for a gift as a gift, he’s already offended that they don’t.
    12. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 19: 21 New
      -3
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
      "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".


      By the way, the wave will wash our shrines from the dirt of desecration by the Turks!
    13. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 19: 23 New
      +4
      Comrades, you know, they are of course mean creatures, but many thanks to them for reminding us of this! We have remembered and will be more careful in the future!
      1. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 27 November 2015 19: 34 New
        +6
        Kindergarten. We’ll throw a bomb, call it a circle, add a green leaf .... The war is not in the backyard sandbox, the whole region, immigrants from the CIS, the lure from the United States, here our foreign policy department is no easier than the Ministry of Defense. There is no petty revenge, but a geopolitical victory in the end is needed, for this the guys died.
    14. DON-100
      DON-100 27 November 2015 19: 40 New
      0
      Zhirinovsky himself needs to be dumped on Istanbul. Instead of proposing something worthwhile, he is engaged in populism and demagogy.
      1. Throw
        Throw 27 November 2015 22: 33 New
        +4
        Support!
        Let him drive a wave there, you look, and get to Erdogan and fill his face, which will go to the overall standings on the answer laughing
    15. Sheikh
      Sheikh 27 November 2015 20: 13 New
      0
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
      "It is very easy to destroy Istanbul: it is enough to throw one nuclear bomb into the strait and it will be washed away. It will be such a terrible flood, the water column will rise by 10-15 meters, and there will be no city, and there are 9 million living there," Zhirinovsky said. Moscow Says ".


      why, he’s not paid a small salary for that either.
      so I live like that.
      I suggest killing everyone I don’t like!
      P / S / salary bring home.
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    17. Shmal_
      Shmal_ 27 November 2015 20: 37 New
      -1
      Old crazy! Istanbul is the former Constantinople capital of Christian Byzantium! And their main mosque is the church of St. Sophia, the oldest and largest Orthodox church in the world! Minarets only attached around the perimeter!
    18. nycsson
      nycsson 27 November 2015 22: 02 New
      0
      Quote: neznakomez
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.

      Clown.... wassat fool
    19. SibSlavRus
      SibSlavRus 28 November 2015 04: 40 New
      +1
      On the forum thread under the topic "American source: Israel has 115 nuclear warheads" (Yesterday, 16:41), it is just some kind of rampant of the Jewish kaganate.
      The number of activated Jews on the forum thread is off the charts. Some kind of depressing atmosphere is formed by them.
      Support the Russians!
    20. An64
      An64 29 November 2015 20: 27 New
      0
      moron!
      ... and in Crimea - radioactive beaches ...
    21. smart Fox
      smart Fox 29 November 2015 22: 20 New
      +1
      He’s a good Zhirik, can’t you say anything, and where will the radioactive sea water go, if not a secret? And hydrogen sulfide case from the bottom of the Black Sea from such an explosion does not rise? Zhirik in Durkee or Prison for such speeches.
    22. viktorMinskiy
      viktorMinskiy 29 November 2015 23: 08 New
      0
      Comrade, what will happen to the Bosphorus after this? This is the only way out of the Black Sea to the oceans. In my opinion, the place of impact should be moved about 9 thousand kilometers strictly to the west along the same parallel as Istanbul ...
  2. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 27 November 2015 18: 48 New
    +7
    It’s good to deny it, it is said in Russian; pay, repent and sleep with your eyes open.
  3. Absurdidat
    Absurdidat 27 November 2015 18: 50 New
    +4
    The navigator promised, the navigator will do. Our pros will carry the molecules of these barmalei, and the erdoganchik will gnaw a bed sheet at night. He is a greyhound, and ours are smart. On one greyhound you won’t leave now
  4. RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 27 November 2015 18: 50 New
    +1
    Erdogan, wait for the death notice of your relative ... Putin does not forgive such meanness.
  5. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 18: 53 New
    +2
    So, so ... what everyone was thinking about was finally confirmed ... what will we do next? Until we started talking guns, we must speak to politicians ...
  6. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 27 November 2015 18: 53 New
    10
    Zhirinovsky is burning! bully
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 06 New
      +9
      Zhirik the dreamer of course, I adore him. In his crazy fantasies, there are always grains of amazingly sound and intelligent thoughts.
      1. Stinger
        Stinger 27 November 2015 19: 21 New
        -5
        And how adored he is in Kashchenko! Like a native. With an atomic bomb.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 38 New
          +2
          Well, he is hyperactive, emotions are going off scale in a person, he is such a person ..
          1. Turkir
            Turkir 27 November 2015 20: 32 New
            -1
            Well, he is hyperactive, emotions go off scale in a person, he is such a person.

            Hyperactivity is in childhood.
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      2. USSR 1971
        USSR 1971 27 November 2015 19: 27 New
        0
        Clowning for the media. Lavrov probably wrinkles like a lemon without sugar.
        1. Dr. Bormental
          Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 40 New
          0
          Well, let it frown. They are with a fat as yin and yang ... one choleric, another sanguine .. let me argue, the truth is in dispute, they say it is born.
      3. nycsson
        nycsson 27 November 2015 22: 08 New
        -1
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        In his crazy fantasies, there are always grains of amazingly sound and intelligent thoughts.

        I wrote it here !!! wassat Laughing out loud! laughingCountry of fools! fool
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        3. Turkir
          Turkir 28 November 2015 09: 25 New
          0
          In his crazy fantasies, there are always grains of amazingly sound and intelligent thoughts.

          Yes, it's just a pearl of hyperactive consciousness or bullshit!
          wassat
      4. bazilio
        bazilio 30 November 2015 11: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        In his crazy fantasies, there are always grains of amazingly sound and intelligent thoughts.

        Most likely he plays the role of a jester. I mean, like a jester under the king. It pushes some kind of crazy idea, and the king looks at the reaction of his subjects. Very comfortably
      5. bazilio
        bazilio 30 November 2015 11: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Dr. Bormental
        In his crazy fantasies, there are always grains of amazingly sound and intelligent thoughts.

        Most likely he plays the role of a jester. I mean, like a jester under the king. It pushes some kind of crazy idea, and the king looks at the reaction of his subjects. Very comfortably
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  7. GDV
    GDV 27 November 2015 18: 54 New
    +4
    Check and Pat.
    Further vigorous mat.
    1. veksha50
      veksha50 27 November 2015 19: 29 New
      +2
      Quote: GDV
      Шах and pat.



      Here in this I completely agree with you ...

      During his presidency, this trait - the winner of the Shnobel Peace Prize - has done so many things and brewed such a mess that you can’t find a way out of it ...

      All these Erdogany-Poroshenko-Hollande-Merkel-ISIS are all the result of the cursed policy of the black monkey and its pack ...

      Now everyone has a pat ... both with them and with us ... I don’t envy Putin ... We need to solve something, we are being forced to impose a war, from which he has been dodging for the second year as soon as he can ... And you can’t forgive - then they will kick and spit, and get involved in the war - the kirdyk is complete ... We are still not ready to fight with all the might ...

      But, in fact, Obama and this ingot, Erdogan, have almost pushed the world to the possibility of unleashing a third world ...
  8. Gunther
    Gunther 27 November 2015 18: 54 New
    +3
    I am waiting from the commander-in-chief of the videoconferencing for a detailed story about how turbojets were shot down by the Regge Perdogan, who violated the Syrian border.
  9. Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 27 November 2015 18: 55 New
    +4
    It's time for the Kurds to provide MANPADS!
    1. Alexanast
      Alexanast 27 November 2015 19: 14 New
      +9
      Signor Tomato. MANPADS are a good thing, but not much useless against bombers. And if we talk about MANPADS, then in addition to the early warning system, and even better the flight routes of the Turks.
  10. AlexTires
    AlexTires 27 November 2015 18: 55 New
    +6
    In essence, what happened is a planned murder!
  11. pilot bin-bom
    pilot bin-bom 27 November 2015 18: 56 New
    +5
    Unfortunately, this year the closure of Turkey as a resort for the Turks is not critical - Charter programs from Russian airports to Turkish resorts end in early December. The weather there does not have a beach holiday. For example, now in Antalya during the day + 17 ... + 19 degrees, Marmaris - + 19 ... + 20 degrees, in Kusadasi - + 17 ... + 20 degrees.
    so now the hunt for gas carriers will be more tangible for the Turks.
  12. Mig-31
    Mig-31 27 November 2015 18: 56 New
    +2
    When will we see cruel revenge?
    1. pilot bin-bom
      pilot bin-bom 27 November 2015 20: 40 New
      +1
      And who are the drivers in fuel trucks? so every burned fuel truck is a nail in the body of Turkey.
      And since the special forces have proved themselves well, this direction needs to be expanded. At the same time, a good training for wolfhounds.
    2. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 27 November 2015 20: 44 New
      0
      Quote: Mig-31
      When will we see cruel revenge?

      The area where our pilot was shot was processed for several hours from the Syrian "city" and our aviation.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVDHE4bRPAY
  13. Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 27 November 2015 18: 56 New
    26
    I don’t understand what they are trying to achieve with such questions. What would we start a war with Turkey and NATO? Yes, the whole world has squeezed the rolls and is waiting for what Putin will do. This is a very delicate situation, you would not wish anyone to be in it. The silence of GDP is worse than the S-400!
  14. H_l_o_p_e_C
    H_l_o_p_e_C 27 November 2015 18: 57 New
    +6
    our militants hrenachat, so they strayed closer to the border, and of course the attack was planned .....
  15. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 18: 58 New
    +2
    The goal of all this crazy circus is incomprehensible ... whoever can explain to me?
    1. dorz
      dorz 27 November 2015 19: 06 New
      0
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The goal of all this crazy circus is incomprehensible ... whoever can explain to me?

      Test of strength. It is impossible to exclude provocations in the future, and the winners, as always, are "exceptional" people.
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 15 New
        +1
        Ornately you answered. Who is being tested for strength? Russia? Turkey? And if now our C400 will hit a specially framed Turkish aircraft? Kirdets will begin ... I understand that it’s profitable for Amers to pit Russia and the whole world, but the pres. Turkey, after all, how could he agree to this?
    2. opus
      opus 27 November 2015 19: 08 New
      +9
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      ..can anyone explain to me?

      1. Close the straits, stop the MTO of our group in Syria, force them to evacuate, divide Syria, as planned before 01.09.2015/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      The Turkish newspaper published a “map of a new Turkey” (includes the island of Cyprus, Northern Greece (up to the city of Thessaloniki), the northern regions of Syria and Northern Iraq)


      2. To humiliate Russia, humble GDP
      3. Together with Germany and Israel, and under US control, the joint development of natural resources on the Aegean shelf ....

      And to pocket oil production in Syria ourselves
      1. Dr. Bormental
        Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 20 New
        +4
        So you want to say that the new Hitler appeared on the map of Europe?
        What is the point of shooting down our plane? It’s clear that Russia will be angry, that it might scandal over Turkey, NATO will join, the 3rd World War will begin, they will use nuclear weapons — the whole world is in ruins then ... I see no reason.
        1. Yuyuka
          Yuyuka 27 November 2015 19: 58 New
          +5
          What is the point of shooting down our plane? It’s clear that Russia will be angry, that it might scandal over Turkey, NATO will join, the 3rd World War will begin, they will use nuclear weapons — the whole world is in ruins then ... I see no reason.

          The meaning is always the same - to weaken Russia, its influence. No one is going to directly get involved in the war with Russia, but they will bite. Pointed and mean. The Turkish Kirdyk gas pipeline, as well as many projects. But what if this is not an economic blow to Russia? The response should also be targeted and painful and not always obvious, I think our specialists will not fail. No need to wait for quick action, everything should be carefully prepared and unobtrusive. I think for Erdogan the countdown has begun, a potential corpse, if not physically, then politically for sure. By the way, yesterday there was a line - explosions at industrial enterprises in Turkey, there are wounded. After all, couldn’t our people act there? request Just God's punishment. repeat I would have to put a candle to Erdogan ... for peace ... in the ass
          1. Dr. Bormental
            Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 20: 47 New
            0
            You have correctly and beautifully described everything ...
            Why should his own president expose his country to a terrible blow (from economic to nuclear?) From Russia? We were very friendly ...
            Personally, I have formed opinions:
            1. He is like Poroshenko
            2. he avenges for the ruined business of his son
            3. Americans ordered it, because he doesn't even think
            4. he
            5. he
            1. region58
              region58 27 November 2015 22: 06 New
              0
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              Personally, I have formed opinions:
              1. He is like Poroshenko
              2. he avenges for the ruined business of his son
              3. Americans ordered it, because he doesn't even think
              4. he
              5. he

              1. Very unlike (at least so far it has been unlike).
              2. Sooner or later, this business should have ended (they did not think that the IG would last for a long time).
              3. If you listen to the same Satanovsky, (and not only him), Turkey’s relations with America are not the same as to jeopardize the existence of their country.
              4 and 5, as I understand it, censorship.
            2. opus
              opus 27 November 2015 22: 22 New
              +4
              Quote: Dr. Bormental
              We were very friendly ...

              NEVER.

              Turks will never forgive or forget who jammed them with the Ottoman Empire

              and who once paid tribute to them, and whose slaves were on the markets in Crimea and Istanbul
              -------------------
              Oh yes, there was still 1945-1952 when the IVS wanted to FINALLY BEND them with straits
              1. Nikaviz
                Nikaviz 28 November 2015 06: 14 New
                0
                Recall ..... laughing
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        2. opus
          opus 27 November 2015 22: 18 New
          +3
          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          new Hitler appeared on the map of Europe?

          1. Erdogan is as far from Hitler as I am to Putin
          2. Turkey IS NOT EUROPE (and Turks are not European)

          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          What is the point of shooting down our plane?

          Well, I explained above.

          Oh yes FORGOTTEN: oil pipeline from the Saudis, UAE and Qatar to the Mediterranean coast and further to Southeast Europe

          This is the reason for the war in the SAR and the reason for the downing of our SU-24

          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          It’s clear that Russia will be angry, that it may scandal over Turkey, NATO will join, the 3rd World War will begin, they will use nuclear weapons

          won't start.
          Tourists will leave for 2016, they will not come in 2016, by April 2016 ours will fill up 1 (maybe 2) Turkish Air Force planes or they will sink the ship, or sniff at the air base (or maybe 3 in 1 like anti-dandruff shampoo and rinse aid).
          NATO will not intervene
          The Germans will not go on holiday to Turkey.

          Quote: Dr. Bormental
          the world in dust then ... I see no reason.

          I've been working with the Turks for about 8 years.
          just give the slack (when there are a lot of them), they sit on the neck, they don’t understand the normal explanation. This works in the teeth (and the most important thing).
          (like that)


          BUT!
          But only temporarily
          ----------------------------------
          and so the Turks, while one ... a wonderful person, friend "you can say
        3. Sergey34
          Sergey34 28 November 2015 01: 19 New
          +1
          I doubt that they will risk starting a war of this magnitude. The adversary they need is obviously weak. Here you can rake it! Well, on our part, we need to increase the patriotism of young people more and to establish demography as it should ...
    3. skaramaks27
      skaramaks27 27 November 2015 20: 27 New
      +1
      This whole circus in .... "I turned off your ruby ​​star! - and I swayed your white saklya pipe!"
    4. region58
      region58 27 November 2015 21: 22 New
      +1
      Quote: Dr. Bormental
      The goal of all this crazy circus is incomprehensible ... whoever can explain to me?

      So I don’t understand ... The fourth day I read and listen to the diverse opinions of various experts and still do not understand. I never sympathized with the Turks, but overnight from friends to become enemies - who benefits, why ??? Despite the ambiguity of Erdogan, he could not understand how the matter would end and that with this act he completely removes any restrictions and obligations on the part of Russia both to the state of Turkey and personally to him. And if earlier he could somehow indicate his interests, then now no one will listen to him for sure. Emotions, of course, are off scale, but nothing is clear ...
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  17. EvaFerrari
    EvaFerrari 27 November 2015 18: 58 New
    +2
    No matter how much data you give, in the West they will still study social networks and quote comments from "authoritative experts" from there. Common sense is forever lost there, for its return it needs a sooooo serious shake-up, like in Paris
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 27 November 2015 19: 01 New
    +8
    It is simply impossible to do so with the Turks, either to beat up blood in return, or to act like them, just keep quiet with them.
    It wasn’t Turkey that started it all, the Americans competently took advantage of the situation and played on the short-sighted Erdogan and not an end in itself. To develop a conflict before the regional war with the participation of Russia. There, of course, NATO allies who most likely do not want to die for the stolen oil of Erdogan can play a big role. China, a very non-public but powerful country with interests in the region, can express its attitude.
    And again, everything returns to Putin’s steps. What will his steps mean the limit of punishment? As we see the increase in the capacity of our base in Syria.
  19. For Courage
    For Courage 27 November 2015 19: 01 New
    +3
    The address of the chicken coop is known! It’s time now for the fox to visit this cockerel!
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    2. alexej123
      alexej123 27 November 2015 23: 44 New
      0
      It would have sounded better - to PITUSHARA, I tell you as a former opera, it sounds "better" and the meaning is "deep".
  20. Concealer
    Concealer 27 November 2015 19: 02 New
    +8
    and the beginning of a quick exit to the anticipated launch point occurred in 1 min. 40 sec to the maximum approach of the Su-24m to the Syrian-Turkish border.

    AWACS (E-3C) led him, and not Turkish at all, and he received a command to open fire. That is why the Su-24 did not see the missile and did not receive a warning about the capture and launch of missiles. But it looks like the F-16 pilot hesitated trying to understand why the order to use the weapon was late with the launch for 1-1,5 minutes and the Su-24 completed a combat turn. A minute earlier, and the plane would have crashed in Turkey.
  21. Advesta
    Advesta 27 November 2015 19: 05 New
    +4
    One thing I can say about everything that happens, the smell of war scary. The beginning of the 17th century The Time of Troubles, the beginning of the 18th century The Northern War. The beginning of the 19th century World War II. The beginning of the 20th century. World War I. The beginning of the 21st century ........ History is cyclical. Although I really would not like to receive confirmation of this.
  22. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 November 2015 19: 06 New
    +1
    Turks must remember their "joint" for a long time. Mistakes are not forgiven. They are washed off. Blood. YESH is an obvious foster child of Turkey, and personally - Erdogan. Here he and his family must personally answer for this heinous case. There were a couple of cars. Beat the wingman?
  23. Woodman
    Woodman 27 November 2015 19: 07 New
    0
    A good article, everything is laid out on the shelves ... Now I would have to stun the Ottomans to a trembling knee ...
  24. viktor561
    viktor561 27 November 2015 19: 08 New
    +7
    Quote: Absurdidat
    The navigator promised, the navigator will do.


    Catch - Erdogan
  25. aba
    aba 27 November 2015 19: 15 New
    +2
    Quote: AlexTires
    In essence, what happened is a planned murder!


    It was clear from the start, now we have been informed of the details.
  26. starshina pv
    starshina pv 27 November 2015 19: 17 New
    -8
    the navigator was saved, but where is the commander? in spirits or what?
  27. AIR-ZNAK
    AIR-ZNAK 27 November 2015 19: 17 New
    0
    The square where our pilot was shot was dealt a massive blow from the air and land by artillery. Information agencies report significant losses from the terrorists. This is a good start to the answer and to be continued. To make it difficult to freely cross the Russian border, visa-free regime with Turkey is temporarily canceled from January 1, and thus it will be difficult to return the shortcomings through Turkey to Russia.
  28. bad
    bad 27 November 2015 19: 18 New
    +3
    Quote: Dr. Bormental
    The goal of all this crazy circus is incomprehensible ... whoever can explain to me?
    in the circus, laughter and a good mood are supposed to be at least .. then one perdogan went hard and set up nato, mattresses and most of all himself .. the result is verbal diarrhea of ​​one .. and the momentous silence of UNCLE VOVA .. the main thing is yet to come .. s-400 in Syria and ironed flower turkmen .. the berries of our GDP while watering .. soon ripen am ..the whole world wonders and drinks valerian .. and we will wait too .. I have personally had a little white in the freezer for a long time, I will get it when the Turks arrive at the tubers with the answer .. drinks
    1. Dr. Bormental
      Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 19: 34 New
      0
      I, too, would like this fart (or whatever?), The stench, in short, to turn out to be the same idiot as Poroshenko, and all this vile trick would turn out to be a stupid revenge for the destruction of his son’s business.
      And do not hide the little white - today is Friday, it’s not a sin to relax a bit))) drinks
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  29. Gunther
    Gunther 27 November 2015 19: 19 New
    +2
    Karavan-150 Quote:
    Я I don’t understand what they are achieving with such questions? What would we start a war with Turkey and NATO? ....

    The fact is that the one who turns the cheek must be hit with a forged boot.
    An example of how to respond to a "stab in the back" is shown by our Israeli comrades, they do not keep silent from the bushes, but pay a hundredfold.
    The silence of GDP is worse than the S-400!

    For whom?
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 27 November 2015 20: 35 New
      10
      Quote: Gunter

      The fact is that the one who turns the cheek must be hit with a forged boot.
  30. veksha50
    veksha50 27 November 2015 19: 19 New
    +3
    "US Air Force representatives were provided with advance information indicating the areas of use of our pair bombers Su-24M and occupied echelons "...

    It is not only indicated here as Putin - Turkey, the SA and Qatar as accomplices and financiers of the IG ... Here, the direct text indicates not only the leak (provision) of classified information, but also the organizer of this crime - specifically the USA ...

    Everything leads to war ... And where does the United States escalate it, using any excuse for this ...

    I do not understand only one thing ... In order to start a war with Russia, they are trying to find a "plausible" pretext and denigrate Russia in advance in the eyes of the world community, as an aggressor ...

    I ask a question - to myself and to everyone: can anyone really hope that having got involved in a war with Russia, which in this case will have absolutely nothing to lose, will this world community exist ???

    In any case, the USA will have time to get its own ... Completely ...
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 27 November 2015 19: 35 New
      +2
      In any case, the USA will have time to get its own ... Completely ...
      And it’s necessary, first, that it doesn’t matter who the conflict is. With Turkey, start with the USA; with Ukraine, with the USA; with England, etc.
  31. Andryukha G
    Andryukha G 27 November 2015 19: 20 New
    +2
    Erdogan - the Ottoman Empire collapsed in the last century, there is nothing to puff out your cheeks and goggle.
    1. GYGOLA
      GYGOLA 27 November 2015 19: 27 New
      0
      He is an alien from the past. Sent to destroy planet Earth. Identified by Russian aces. Defused .....- many countries have a chance to end the line.
  32. Siberia
    Siberia 27 November 2015 19: 24 New
    +5
    In fact, Russia has virtually nowhere to retreat - they are encircling from all sides (sanctions, provocations, terrorist attacks, treacherous murder of Russian troops ...). They just don’t understand one thing, fools, that a driven bear will be several times more dangerous.
  33. afrikanez
    afrikanez 27 November 2015 19: 25 New
    +1
    If the "coalition" was not going to fight at all, and ISIS. then what the hell are they doing in foreign territory. For obvious reasons, they should not be allowed there at all. Syrian skies are closed to the "VSA coalition" am
  34. martin-159
    martin-159 27 November 2015 19: 29 New
    +1
    I want to believe that this meanness will not go unpunished.
  35. Andrey Peter
    Andrey Peter 27 November 2015 19: 43 New
    +1
    Quote: Karavan-150
    And why do this? there are still many of our tourists, we must first take everyone out of there.

    Do not pay attention to the statements of inadequate people about striking Turkey. And holidaymakers in Turkey, if with brains, quickly swear by themselves bully
  36. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 27 November 2015 19: 50 New
    -1
    Quote: neznakomez
    LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky proposed a nuclear missile strike against Turkey’s largest city, Istanbul, located on the shores of the Bosphorus.
    .


    Well Zhirik in the government apparently in order to relax and neighing over him ....
    Clown damn ... though not stupid ...
    But in fact, the Turks need to be punished accurately and competently ...
  37. jaroff
    jaroff 27 November 2015 19: 54 New
    +1
    Friends! If you have LTKhashniki among you, then clarify to me, please, the F-16 really has enough kerosene for such a flight profile: total time 2 hours 20 minutes, of which 1 hour 15 minutes barrage at an altitude of 2400 m, not the best height in terms of fuel consumption , then approaching and reaching the launch line (most likely at the afterburner), leaving towards your airfield (the first seconds most likely also at the afterburner).? This is despite the fact that he most likely had hanging tanks, which, although they add some reserve fuel, but degrade LTH. Is it really so good for him and the engine, respectively, characteristics?
    1. Andrey77
      Andrey77 27 November 2015 20: 31 New
      0
      And google laziness? It's all on the F-16, you think?
      1. jaroff
        jaroff 27 November 2015 20: 42 New
        +1
        I asked only LTKhashnikov, and not all.
        1. jaroff
          jaroff 27 November 2015 21: 39 New
          0
          Well, let it be 3200 kg / h. When refueling 7000 kg (with two PTBs) there is not enough fuel for such a profile. In the best case, I should sit down with the rest of one bucket of kerosene. Of course, a variant with a third outboard is possible, officially this option is more of a ferry, rather than combat duty, but still. Only then can it add up.
    2. opus
      opus 28 November 2015 03: 15 New
      +3
      Quote: zharyoff
      indeed, the F-16 will have enough kerosene for such a flight profile: the total time is 2 hours 20 minutes, of which 1 hour and 15 minutes are barrage at an altitude of 2400 m,




      Fuel consumption in battle F-16C
      Speed ​​M = 0.5, at sea level, kg per min. 415
      Speed ​​M = 0.8, height 4572 m, kg per min. 310
      Speed ​​M = 1.4, height 10973 m, kg per min. 260


      1.The task is to intercept an air target.

      Armament - 2 melee missiles + 4 medium-range missiles + maximum fuel supply in PTB.

      Flight profile - altitude 9144 m, speed M = 0.8, air battle lasting 5 minutes.

      F-16C: 2xAIM-9 + 4xAIM-120 + 3xPTB

      2.The task is to patrol the airspace.

      F-16C: 2xAIM-9 + 4xAIM-120 + 3xPTB
      Armament - 2 melee missiles + 4 medium-range missiles + maximum fuel reserve in the PTB + pylon tanks on the lower surface of the wing (then 2P BB SD, in this case VP + 10-14 minutes).
      without conformal tanks, 3 940 l in PTB, 2 × AIM-120, 2 × AIM-9, air patrol: 1 km(Block 50 is what Turkey has)

      Flight profile - altitude 7620 m, speed M = 0.8, distance to base - 150 km.

      Patrol time 145 minutes
      ====================================================================== =========

      145 + 5 = 150 minutes = 2 hours 30 minutes.
      Enough at sea level
      The F-16 "eats" very little, only Mirage-2000-5 (From P4) barely bypasses it in appetite.
  38. Karavan-150
    Karavan-150 27 November 2015 19: 58 New
    16
    So, I hope it's true!
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 28 November 2015 07: 46 New
      +2
      Yeah ... dog dog death! I died, I hope not one, I took my kampashka with me!
  39. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 27 November 2015 19: 59 New
    +1
    Quote: veksha50


    Everything leads to war ... And where does the United States escalate it, using any excuse for this ...



    The worst thing is that the USA needs this war:
    Lack of energy resources (they need ours), frantic debt, etc. ...
    They can do anything ...
  40. drugg
    drugg 27 November 2015 20: 02 New
    0
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin .... Let them only go into Syria! Israel is also concerned! hi

    It will not work, the meeting between VVP and Hollande was the words "Leading the Coalition against ISIS, the main partner of the United States" ... That is, apart from Turkey, all NATO countries that want to warm up will fly in the sky of Syria, but of course not over Latakia and Tartus.
    1. MIKHAN
      MIKHAN 27 November 2015 20: 11 New
      +6
      Quote: drugg
      Quote: MIKHAN
      Now the hunt for all NATO fighters will begin .... Let them only go into Syria! Israel is also concerned! hi

      It will not work, the meeting between VVP and Hollande was the words "Leading the Coalition against ISIS, the main partner of the United States" ... That is, apart from Turkey, all NATO countries that want to warm up will fly in the sky of Syria, but of course not over Latakia and Tartus.

      We learn to speak .. like in the west! But click someone clearly ... hi
  41. Dr. Bormental
    Dr. Bormental 27 November 2015 20: 04 New
    +3
    It seems to me that all these hysterics are not necessary - "we will bomb, we will take revenge, a vigorous bomb on Istanbul, etc." - just cut off all the oxygen for them, all the nishtyaks that they get from us - from Natasha to the ban on the import of their products. The people themselves, this perdogan, will dismiss him. Remember about one thing - they are TORGASHI. To deprive the trader of profit is fatal for the trader. His life is in this.
  42. serg.ru
    serg.ru 27 November 2015 20: 05 New
    +6
    before the Turks shot down our plane, they were friends as tailors, etc. .. After that, in Turkish fruits and vegetables they began to find a high content of nitrates, nitrites and other poison. But were their products and rags crystal clear and safe before the incident? No, of course, nothing has changed in their products. Just as long as the Turks were friends, they allowed us to poison with the same products that are now forbidden to import. Now our government uses the people as a joker at the right time. Why can’t you just ban the import of this poison to Patam that it’s just poison, but you need to look for a reason? While you are a friend, you can cash in on the health and lives of Russians (there are many of us). These are double standards in which we like to blame mattresses, only they have these standards that operate outside their own country and they are either your friend or brother, if your products threaten the health of citizens, then go ahead. It’s time to understand that Russia hasn’t budded friends are allies and envious. Even fraternal (not friendly, namely fraternal) Belarus and that poison Baltic shit
    1. DON-100
      DON-100 27 November 2015 20: 24 New
      -6
      Good comment. everything is precisely noticed. In fact, our authorities absolutely do not care about people's health and all these next tricks now with Turkish products once again confirm this. Russia's sanctions, contrary to the propaganda of our media, first of all hit its own population, the most disadvantaged groups, and retirees, as it was with the embargo on products from Europe, after which prices jumped up, it may also happen now. Given our realities, we can expect another increase in prices for vegetables and fruits.
  43. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 27 November 2015 20: 09 New
    +4
    Leonid Ivashov: We closed our eyes for the Turkish Stream, for the Turkish tomatoes, surrendering our national interests, security interests. Therefore, now our authorities should feel guilty for what they did in this way. Our foreign policy acted like a drunken man who bought a bottle, and after 15 minutes already climbs to hug.

    So now you need to re-evaluate everything. And the Turks don’t need any benefits, because in our trade relations the Syrians still can’t get something similar in terms of the preferential conditions that the Turks have in our markets. Serbs are ready to flood us with fresh, good vegetables and fruits. Try to overcome this Turkish mafia within Russia - it is impossible.

    That is, we need to radically change our national interests. Not the interests of large companies, large businesses, but really long-term national interests should become a priority.


    While our power will be tied to the interests of large business, they will give us in the face irresponsibly !!!
  44. Indifferent
    Indifferent 27 November 2015 20: 13 New
    +1
    Zhirinovsky well done! He understands that he is not a representative of the executive branch, but at the same time he is a statesman and expresses the will of Russian citizens. Therefore, a couple of 300 ct of bombs for the Bosphorus is a good offer. And let the Turks listen and pee with boiling water. You never know what. But what if! After all, the situation can be brought to an unpredictable state.
    The Bosphorus will become wider and the Greeks can then be settled on an empty place and returned to him the name of Constantinople.
    When I was very young, such a rock and roll was popular:
    "In Istanbul, in Constantinople
    We lived with our feet stamping ... "And that was still the 50s of the last century!
    1. onega67
      onega67 28 November 2015 15: 24 New
      0
      no risk - a couple of 300! 3 to 500 in one dish !!!
  45. shooter18
    shooter18 27 November 2015 20: 14 New
    0
    If Uncle Sam and his gang in the gop stop do not calm down, then everything can end very badly for the entire world community!
  46. S-cream
    S-cream 27 November 2015 20: 27 New
    0
    I posted this video the day before yesterday, which confirms everything said in the article. Objective control data. Green - F-16, red - Su-24M.
  47. From Samara
    From Samara 27 November 2015 20: 30 New
    -2
    This is all clear! But! Nevertheless, the Minister of Defense must pay attention to the miscalculation of the command of our air forces ... Where are the escort fighters?
  48. TT62
    TT62 27 November 2015 20: 31 New
    +4
    What reminds Georgia when the "carcass" was shot down without suppressing the air defense of Sykashvili. And here is relaxation, self-confidence, maybe Russian, the result of 2 life, the loss of technology. We! were supposed to warn the F-16 from 50 km, about the work of our aircraft, and shoot them down at a distance of 20 km. After the fight, though, we're all heroes. Rest in peace guys, family sincere condolences.
    1. Rom14
      Rom14 28 November 2015 08: 54 New
      0
      It’s called gossip and the impunity of the staff ... And it was in Afghanistan .. Kozhubetovich surely realized that this was a cruel and merciless war with a NATO block and not a biathlon ...
    2. Rom14
      Rom14 28 November 2015 08: 54 New
      +1
      It’s called gossip and the impunity of the staff ... And it was in Afghanistan .. Kozhubetovich surely realized that this was a cruel and merciless war with a NATO block and not a biathlon ...
  49. Gunther
    Gunther 27 November 2015 20: 49 New
    +1
    opus Quote:
    3. Together with Germany and Israel and under US control, the joint development of natural resources on the Aegean shelf .... And by ourselves to pocket oil production in Syria

    Let them move, Soyuzneftegaz staked out 2190 sq. Km on the coast)))
    The desire of Turkey (the United States, Israel) to break up Syria is understandable, the problem of the sea borders in the development of hydrocarbon deposits, the control of the most important transit hub of energy resources are being solved.
    And here Russia breaks the gesheft at the sweet trinity, understandably the grief of the Recepherdogan.
  50. Bjorn
    Bjorn 27 November 2015 20: 51 New
    +1
    It’s hard on the soul. I always like that, at the beginning after someone’s villainy I want to tear and throw, it’s good if there is someone who is sensible and calm. Then the second stage is heaviness on the soul. The next step will be the inclusion of the head, at last sound thoughts will begin to come to the head, how best to respond. Over the years, I realized that the main thing is not to ruin the fever at the very beginning.