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Universal soldier and his equipment. Part of 1

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Universal soldier and his equipment. Part of 1

The upgraded 5,56 mm Heckler & Koch SA80A3 assault rifle, which is in service with the British army, should be replaced in 2020's, but the industry is beginning to promote alternative calibers, including 6,5-mm ammunition


What are the armed forces doing to best equip their soldiers for current and future operational scenarios? This remains one of the most important questions that must be addressed to governments of different countries and a question that cannot be answered easily.

The operational space continues to evolve and very rarely can the armed forces, industry or the scientific community predict where in the world the military will be deployed next time and how they will be used. This fully applies to all types of equipment deployed by military units, which varies from infantry weapons and related munitions and field protection and communications equipment.

No one could have foreseen that after the international asymmetrical campaigns led by the United States and NATO conducted over the past decade in relatively tolerable combat conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, NATO forces would again be forced to take military measures on the Eastern European flank of the Alliance in response to more traditional threats from Russia, which consisted in the annexation of Crimea 18 March 2014 of the year and the subsequent participation of this country in the civil war in Ukraine in 2014 year.

In addition, many military experts were not able to see in time the development of the martial art of Islamic State and Levant (ISIL) militants fighting in northern Iraq and Syria, who now use traditional combat tactics to carry out effective attacks and subsequent retention of population centers and entire cities . In addition, no one was definitely expecting a lone wolf-style terrorist attack on behalf of ISIS around the world to take at least Islamist attacks in June 2015 at the Mediterranean resort in Tunisia with 77 killed and wounded or the recent massacre in Paris in November the same with more than 300 killed and wounded.

Long procurement processes in many countries also lead to the fact that the introduction of existing parts of the necessary equipment takes years, and this creates the risk that the operational space can begin to develop, completely disagree with the specific operational needs and, therefore, all this equipment and systems will become "slightly unsuitable" or completely unclaimed before they are deployed.

The immediate operational needs, especially those formed by NATO and the allied countries that have been active in Afghanistan and Iraq over the past decade, served as an interim solution for some of the short-term variations in the operational space described above. The supply of MRAP (Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected) vehicles with enhanced mine protection against heavy weapons during conflicts in these countries are good examples of the right response to urgent needs. However, long-term procurement processes remain a significant headache for industry and governments in their quest to neutralize possible future threats.


Manufacturers of body armor now take into account the mobility of military personnel fighting on land, at sea and in the air. This also applies to the integration of unloading vests and freedom of movement when wearing such protection systems.


The industry is currently routinely developing night vision devices with minimal emission of luminous flux. This will greatly help reduce the risk of detecting a fighter's position during covert night operations.

Special operations forces (MTRs) for the most part have some advantage due to a more flexible procurement process, which allows them to quickly obtain the necessary tools for work. Flexibility is to purchase equipment in smaller quantities and in a significantly shorter time frame compared to the procurement cycles for conventional forces. This allows relatively small units of the SSO to transfer the experience gained to more traditional large military units, providing important information for their long-term procurement plans. Such a tendency fully justifies itself, to take at least infantry units that adopt equipment that was originally tested in real-life conditions by special units.

If you look at operations in Afghanistan over the past 10 years, you can see how weapons and equipment developed in response to the change of tactics, methods and methods of dealing with the rebels. Significant changes have occurred in lethality, protection, mobility, and means of raising situational awareness, and in this series of articles development in each of these separate areas will be considered.

Trying to determine the current and future nature of the conflict, Ben Barry, the head of the ground operations department at the International Institute for Strategic Studies, talks about a significant 180-degree turn in modern combat space and a return to more traditional military operations. As an example, he called the development by ISIS fighters of their own tactics, methods and methods, and this, in his opinion, means that this organization is capable of conducting traditional military operations and well-thought-out military campaigns using artillery, armored vehicles and main combat tanks. Barry also talked about how ISIS continues to use intelligence units to identify gaps in the battle formations of the Iraqi army and Peshmerga (Kurdish militia), which allows artillery and armored convoys (captured from the Iraqi and Syrian armies in previous operations) to successfully attack and seize urban areas .

At a soldier’s technology conference in June 2015, Barry talked about how ISIS took control of the Iraqi city of Ramadi during a sandstorm. His fighters fired at this area in advance from mortars and artillery for several days. This was followed by numerous attacks supported by joint fire, the purpose of which was to disable aviation and enemy airfields, at the same time both separate suicide bombers and mined trucks were used to create gaps in the defense, after which dismounted fighters with small arms entered these gaps.

This is a sign of the return of the concept of combined arms combat, there is a sharp departure from insurgent tactics used in Afghanistan and Iraq by diverse Islamist guerrillas to more traditional ground army tactics. NATO and coalition partners fighting ISIL both in the air and on the ground (in a more or less hidden form) must now urgently develop a completely different concept of operations in order to combat this new threat, while Perhaps most of the equipment procured in the past decade for operations in Afghanistan will become unclaimed in this particular battle. Barry also called on several areas in which the resulting inequality of opportunity should be paid close attention. These include protection against improvised explosive devices (IEDs), deliveries of anti-tank guided weapons with the ability to overcome active defense systems for combat vehicles, as well as reconnaissance and target designation systems capable of detecting and determining the exact location of targets in densely populated urban areas.

In addition, the future equipment of the combat units of the lowest level, branch or group, will have a significant impact on the advanced equipment of the military, including the United States first corps, seeking to reduce the number of its combat units from 13 people to 8 – 10 people. If we compare it with the British army, then there is taken as a basis for the separation of eight soldiers, which can be divided into two firing groups of four people. Mr. Barry explained: “There is a need to diversify the infantry squad regarding the size and set of weapons. You must accept for granted that you can put fewer people in modern infantry fighting vehicles due to the reduction in their size, mass and power and due to the increase in the number of equipment worn by soldiers. ”

The main conclusion arising from these considerations related to the future number of groups and departments is to apply the concept of a modular and scalable “toolbox” or “golf bag” that allows the smallest divisions or even individual operators from the SSO to choose from a large list better. just the right equipment for a specific combat mission, from weapons, ammunition to body armor and optical devices, various sensors and communications equipment.

Touching on the scope of optical, thermal imaging devices, communications equipment and other devices, Mark Richter, responsible for developing the concept of the expeditionary department at the USCM, spoke about the growing trends in the procurement of "information distribution systems, situational awareness and" friend-to-alien "technology to be used not only by an individual dismounted soldier, but can also be optimized for larger units in order to facilitate the overall identification and classification of targets. "

However, Richter hurried to mention the problems associated with the load on the infantrymen of the USMC. The corps wants to start an Operational Load Study in 2016 to understand the perspectives and limitations regarding the size, mass, and energy consumed. This study will have a significant impact on the future composition of military equipment, in particular dismounted soldiers.

Other goals for the CMP equipment are to achieve digital interaction, starting from the level of separation and ending with contingents from different countries, as well as integrating equipment into wearable protection. At the same time, he suggested: “We need to respond to emerging needs, because everything is constantly changing ... We want to develop a unified toolkit for the dismissed department as a system that will have digital interaction with ground forces and air and ground platforms regarding the transmission of images and data” .

Speaking also of future trends that would equip the next generation soldier, Philip Conrad, head of business development at the Swiss company Vectronix, described several "mega-trends" in the market, including "interconnection, individualization and urbanization ... So we can maximize the effectiveness of combat operations." At the same time, he did not forget to mention how interaction opportunities should provide the soldiers at the lowest level with an operational picture, because complex information in real time will simplify and speed up the process of making tactical decisions.


The Colt M-16 assault rifle is very popular in the armed forces of many countries, but industry and the military are lobbying for the adoption of larger rifles 6,5 mm and 6,8 mm

Urbanization leaves its mark. More and more combat clashes occur at close range, it is increasingly difficult to conduct reconnaissance and locate targets under heterogeneous lighting conditions. In support of his words, he cited the example of window panes, which have a negative effect on the thermal image, in addition, the additional difficulties that reduce the level of situational awareness creates a constant change in urban landscapes, as can be seen from the example of the destroyed cities of Syria and northern Iraq. “A modern soldier must have the right multi-sensory platforms to accomplish his task,” Conrad added.

And finally, another problem, which also can not be circumvented in the development of future equipment, concerns a wide variety of environments in which the military has to work. Whether it is a reconnaissance patrol in the jungle or the Arctic, a combat group in a desert or forest, or marine operations like VBSS (Visit, Board, Search, Seizure - detecting and detaining ships conducting illegal activities at sea) to ensure that a dismounted soldier, fire crew and infantry unit were able to achieve their maximum capabilities.

In the jungle and in tropical conditions, which are in particular the “business card” of the Asia-Pacific region, most of the technologies are not able to provide any significant increase in the capabilities of the soldier. As Steve Hivoud, a consultant on systems for fighting in the jungle from the British Laboratory of Defense Science and Technology, explained, "The jungle is the most complex environment." He further added: “The body protection has changed with changes in the methods and methods of warfare. But this is a diabolical necessity ... It makes you heavy and contributes to an increase in body temperature. ” However, he acknowledged that adding protection to the inguinal area to more traditional wearable protection systems helps soldiers overcome rivers by preventing the waistcoat from rising to the chin of a swimming soldier, which, as a result, severely limits head movements.

Speaking about the winter operations of the Arctic Circle, Enric Boufard, director of ground forces development needs at the Canadian Department of Defense, explained that air temperatures there could reach minus 50 degrees and in summer plus 50 degrees. "Mobility is limited, everything freezes, you need to boil water to eat and a lot of energy is required for life support ... you have to have a warm shelter, you need replacement clothing, or you just get frostbite."
“It's just survival, not fighting in the winter. The greatest need for fuel and energy, and the more you move, the more you need. To keep batteries charged, they need to be kept warm, and a soldier can keep very few batteries under his clothes, ”he explained. Bufar talked about the ongoing work in Canada to provide opportunities for "collecting energy" in various climatic conditions: solar energy in the summer and wind energy in the winter. He did not forget to mention other important needs, for example, mobility systems, for example exoskeletons (see the mobility article of this series); combat clothing to regulate body temperature; and night-vision goggles with anti-fog characteristics.


The shortened versions of the assault rifles M16 and M4 are very popular for close combat, but are criticized for their lack of destructive power at maximum range.

Describing operations in the South African Bushveld (a subtropical forest area in South Africa), an expert on electronic systems in the Council for Scientific and Industrial Research Ahmed Gisler called them "operations in dry and cold conditions", although he agreed that they may not be as heavy as operations in the jungle. “It was difficult for South African forces to get used to the desert conditions of Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo. The shoes were falling apart quickly, but for us it was a hard but invaluable experience. It requires a lot of effort. ” Agreeing with Mr. Heewood, he added: “We always love our toys, but sometimes everything is good in moderation. At the end of the day, you still have to move, and the more gear you have, the higher the chances that something will break. ”

Finally, referring to actions in the marine environment, Mr. Richter of the US KMP called the “mandatory” requirements for quick-release systems, especially when conducting anti-piracy operations or operations like VBSS. “The ability, when released into the water, to throw off everything that is on you is crucial. In addition, reliable protection against rebound on board the vessel, as well as the ability to work in conditions of poor reception or the complete absence of a Global Positioning System (GPS) signal, is necessary. "


US forces and their coalition partners in Afghanistan have extensively used rifle grenade launchers and 40-mm ammunition, such as the M203 rifle grenade launcher (pictured)

Materials used:
www.forces.gc.ca
www.gov.uk
www.navsea.navy.mil
www.orbitalatk.com
www.armada.ch
www.mku.com
www.baesystems.com
www.generaldynamics.com
www.coltcanada.com
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  1. ICT
    ICT 30 November 2015 06: 53 New
    +5
    such a "still life" and attention should be paid to the background
    1. Samaritan
      Samaritan 30 November 2015 09: 22 New
      +3
      Soldier of the future, our answer:
    2. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 November 2015 13: 52 New
      0
      Quote: TIT
      such a "still life" and attention should be paid to the background

      Well, everyone is perverted in his own way, maybe on his head he has a mega device with detection, guidance systems and does not break through point blank from M82A2 ... laughing
    3. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 30 November 2015 20: 26 New
      +2
      And what is there in the background?
    4. Evrepid
      Evrepid 1 December 2015 02: 47 New
      +1
      The idea is right! The soldier’s face must also be protected from bullets and splinters.

      I would say that a soldier’s helmet should protect his head, instead of a one-eye camera, augmented reality should be quoted on the helmet’s screen. so that he can see and understand what is happening, so that the power of computers helps him stay alive and inflict maximum damage to the enemy.

      And technological problems should not be. transparent screens exist for a long time. Flexible screens too.
      So the display is technically not a problem.
      Now bulletproof glass for a helmet, also there is not a big problem in technological terms.

      In general, a soldier should have armor protection along the entire perimeter of defense: Head, neck, torso, arms, legs!

      Finally! "The man is the most expensive that the state has, and technology can still be done" (c) an American general of the second world war.

      The number of combat losses in manpower must be reduced to 0! Unambiguously, it cannot, the concept of the level of permissible losses has no right to exist!
      From my point of view, the level of permissible losses: 0!
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 1 December 2015 14: 53 New
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        Evrepid

        You wrote a lot, but did not understand the main idea of ​​the article. The article, by the way, is very good. Very professional.

        The main idea is two points.

        1. The author suggested that the concept of classical tactical use of the army remains relevant. Accordingly equipment.

        2. The tendency to review the soldier's equipment in the direction of facilitating, maintaining mobility, including the rejection of many wearable components.

        In other words, all these information screens are good, but unreliable and hard.
        1. Evrepid
          Evrepid 30 December 2015 12: 42 New
          0
          Wait, where did I write that the weight of the uniform should increase? The point is that the soldier MUST stay alive, as the most expensive thing the state has (human life).
          1) And if the weight of the uniform is less then it will be better!
          2) Everything that a soldier’s outfit should help him stay alive, in any situation!
          3) All equipment (which is currently being worn / will be worn) should be integrated into the suit. For instance:
          - integrate the radio into the helmet. (Germans already produce such helmets for motorcyclists)
          - a gas mask in a helmet (even more, an autonomous breathing system), if not completely
          - embed the computer in the local unit system and information on the armored glass of the helmet
          etc.


          I remember for one of my statements on the layout of the T-14 (Armata) I was "stoned". and then, it turned out that I was not only right, but "actually" revealed part of the tank’s secret layout :)

          So stay tuned for my thoughts, don’t think out for me what I didn’t say :)
      2. Xwazilb
        Xwazilb 8 December 2015 10: 41 New
        +1
        Evrepid

        Think good. I fully support. New century, new technologies, respectively, new concepts are needed. You cannot save on the life and health of a soldier.

        Good article, interesting to read the whole cycle
  2. inkass_98
    inkass_98 30 November 2015 07: 13 New
    +3
    Return to glorious times of the Fedorov assault rifle under the cartridge 6,5 mm Arisaka laughing ? This, of course, is sarcasm, but in fact, verbal battles between supporters and opponents of the 5,45 and 7,62 calibers for machine guns do not actually subside. It is quite obvious that the cartridge of the calibers specified in the article, i.e. 6,5-6,8 mm.
    And by the way, the cartridge for the Arisak rifle was not so bad, it was just compared to the 7,62x54, a obviously unequal comparison. In the current realities, one can look at the problem from a completely different angle and at a different technological level.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 30 November 2015 08: 28 New
      +1
      Moreover, there is a cartridge that will require relatively little effort when switching to it. This is 6,5 * 39 Grendel.http: //topwar.ru/11498-patron-65x38-grendel.html
      1. self-propelled
        self-propelled 30 November 2015 09: 31 New
        +1
        The 6.5x38 Grendel cartridge is positioned as the optimal compromise in combining ballistic qualities, striking effects, recoil momentum and dimensions and ammunition mass, which occupies a niche between the NATO 7.62x51 and NATO 5.56x45 cartridges.
        Quote: Izotovp
        Moreover, there is a cartridge that will require relatively little effort when switching to it. This is 6,5 * 39 Grendel

        I suppose that to establish the production of this ammunition (taking into account that the cartridge for the cartridge is a slightly modified sleeve of the Soviet cartridge 7.62x39 mm with a compressed dulc up to the required caliber) will not be a big problem. the problem will be the complete rearmament of the army with small arms chambered for this cartridge (production of weapons, saturation of warehouses and MTO bases with new ammunition and weapons ...). and this problem consists not in the technical plane, but in the material - how many rubles. will such a rearmament result?
        7.62X51 NATO, 6.5x38 Grendel, 5.56x45 NATO (top-down)
        1. Major_Vortex
          Major_Vortex 30 November 2015 09: 53 New
          +5
          The 6,5 mm Grendel needs a long barrel to show his good ballistics. If we attach a 6,5 mm barrel to an ordinary AK, we won’t get any special advantages. For a 6,5 mm Grendel, a 20 "barrel is recommended - with such a barrel, a 6,5 Grendel cartridge equipped with a special high-precision heavy bullet with a low ballistic coefficient can accurately shoot and inflict mortal wounds on the enemy at distances of up to 1 km. Another question: which of the Russian assault rifles even equipped with a 20 "barrel will provide sufficient accuracy to hit a person at a distance of 1 km? In the USA, self-loading rifles for this cartridge with an accuracy of 0,5 MOA are quite manufactured. They cost 2-3 times more expensive than standard MILSPEC M-4.
          1. Major_Vortex
            Major_Vortex 30 November 2015 10: 41 New
            +5
            Why is it so weak, just one minus? Hooray-patriotism usually ends with the phrase "Soviet sleeve" laughing Then everything should organize itself. How - it no longer satisfies anyone. And a bullet, and gunpowder, and a capsule, and AK will shoot at a bullseye for a kilometer, which he did not know how to spawn, and year-old soldiers will start shooting from this Kalash without a miss per kilometer of target.
            1. Izotovp
              Izotovp 30 November 2015 11: 40 New
              +1
              I agree, the main problem is the quality of the cartridges entering our troops. With the 5,56 cartridge, as far as I remember, the AK showed similar results with the M-16.
              1. Major_Vortex
                Major_Vortex 30 November 2015 14: 18 New
                +4
                Quote: Izotovp
                I agree, the main problem is the quality of the cartridges entering our troops. With the 5,56 cartridge, as far as I remember, the AK showed similar results with the M-16.

                AR-15 on the platform of which the M-16 was produced - modular. There are light carbines like the M-4 on this platform, and there are high-precision sniper modifications with a target group of less than 1 MOA shooting per kilometer, there are separate models with a manufacturer-stated target group of 0,5 MOA. Another AR-10 is produced, under the more powerful and long 308 Win cartridge, also modular, even more expensive and with even more advanced features. In the American free arms market, hundreds of models of these rifles and tens of thousands of different parts are bought and rolled in by ordinary weapon owners: hunters, athletes. Firms producing AR-15, AR-10 and parts for them - thousands. A license to manufacture the AR-15 and its parts is not needed. New calibers: sports, hunting, special - appear regularly, because there is a demand for them. Sights, but do not shoot for a kilometer without a special sight, are available in a wide range. The military acquire a minuscule of the total number of such products. The main market is civilian.
                A sniper cartridge, gunpowder under it, a bullet, a sleeve, etc. can be developed to standardize no worse than American ones. But who will buy this cartridge when, apart from the military, no one can acquire this cartridge and weapons for it under the law? The manufacturer needs a sufficient market to invest in such high-tech and high-precision products. The high end is expensive, and self-loading rifles firing with accuracy of 0,5 MOA at a distance of a kilometer or more, special sniper ammunition for such rifles and the corresponding sights are weapon high-end. The army cannot afford such a thing and acquires such equipment in limited quantities only for special tasks. The main market is civilian: athletes, hunters and wealthy collectors. It’s very expensive to develop and produce such things at the state’s expense.
                1. Assistant
                  Assistant 1 December 2015 00: 11 New
                  0
                  Firms producing AR-15, AR-10 and parts for them - thousands.


                  AR-15 is understandable, but who produces a lot of AR-10?

                  License for the production of AR-15 and parts for it is not needed


                  By the way, do not tell me, as the owner of the patent, the SGA government allows anyone to produce the M-16, or only companies registered in their country? Or, perhaps, since the beginning of the 1960s all patent protection terms have already expired?
                  1. gladcu2
                    gladcu2 1 December 2015 15: 37 New
                    0
                    Assistant

                    Yes, they spat on all these patents. The ship system operates on its own economic efficiency. Who pays more is right.

                    Minor changes in products give the right to dispute.

                    As always.
            2. gladcu2
              gladcu2 1 December 2015 15: 03 New
              0
              Major vortex

              And what is the real contact distance?

              It seems that the trenches at the front in World War II at a distance of 200-500 m.

              This shooting distance is dictated physiologically by the capabilities of the average soldier. Even if you technically equip a fighter with a sniper rifle weighing 3 kg, he will not be able to use the full technical potential.
          2. self-propelled
            self-propelled 30 November 2015 19: 44 New
            +1
            Quote: Mayor_Vikhr
            6,5 mm Grendel needs a long barrel to show his good ballistics

            not just Grendel.
            and barrel length is only one component of good ballistics. the mass of the bullet, its linear dimensions, shape ... + hitch (and characteristics) of the used gunpowder ... and also the type of automatic weapons and much, much more.
            take a look at the photo. there, only a part of the bullets possible for equipment is presented (I wonder if there are bullets with a heavy steel core). among them there is also a light bullet (which, a priori, cannot be used at long distances (due to the rapid loss of flight speed and, for granted, energy) (there is no word about the influence of cross-wind (wind drift)).
            besides, replacing one munition with another (with the “subsequent reaming of the barrel”) the business does not end (but rather only begins) - the rifling step, the characteristics of the damping devices, the mass of the shutter, the diameter and profile of the exhaust channels, etc., etc. . - All of the above characteristics are taken into account (at least they should be taken into account when “redesigning” weapons under a new cartridge) ...
            a lot of words have been said about Kalash, with its accuracy, (and here I have nothing to add). even though he can "inflict mortal wounds on an adversary"(the main thing to get)
            but I consider the use of an over-squeezed sleeve from 7.62x39 an indisputable advantage for the Russian (and not only) defense industry
        2. Izotovp
          Izotovp 30 November 2015 11: 06 New
          0
          With the timing of the transition, no one drives, thank God, not 41. Planned replacement by substitution.
        3. max702
          max702 30 November 2015 11: 51 New
          +5
          Quote: self-propelled
          and material - how much rub. will such a rearmament result?

          I agree with you! But no one calls even approximate figures .. Just let them call the number! As far as we know, “crendel” can be used in standard AK stores, therefore, the costs of a new barrel and bolt will be the main ones, the production of cartridges will have to be minimized, especially since the need to modernize these industries is long overdue, so why not combine these two issues? As for money, everyone forgets that the infantry, unlike many types and arms fights every day! But it is supplied and equipped according to the residual principle .. It (the infantry) just needs the most modern but no .. everything is on the very last list ... How much does a modern destroyer cost? Or a 5th generation strategic bomber or fighter? The bill goes to billions! BUT this weapon is used very rarely once every decades, and the infantry Vanya fights every day! And the losses, unlike the "elite" troops, are orders of magnitude higher, if the missile cruiser fights sometime or other, it’s written out of date, no one knows, but that the new patron will fight with the enemy it is SAME! And if this cartridge can give infantry an advantage on the battlefield, then why not? The question arises, but what about the stockpiles of what they produced? Well, firstly, they do not last forever; everything has an expiration date; secondly, in our turbulent time, this stock can and should be spent on training troops without saving on this, how many rounds do you need to prepare a qualified machine gunner? It takes two wagons of ammunition for a good sniper .. Well, it’s compatible with what’s good and useful, though there’s a nuance, but do we need tens, hundreds of thousands of “Voroshilov shooters” for our state, especially with its thieving government? Some of the riflemen’s stocks can be sold both abroad and in their own country (unlikely for the reason stated above), and rearm for the profit.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 30 November 2015 13: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: max702
            The question arises, but what about the stockpiles of what they produced? Well, firstly, they do not last forever; everything has an expiration date; secondly, in our turbulent time, this stock can and should be spent on training troops without saving on this, how many rounds do you need to prepare a qualified machine gunner? A good sniper takes two carts of cartridges ..

            believe me, as soon as the infa on the sale of even a part of the shooting reserve’s mobile reserve with a power supply unit, the line will line up as in a wine-making period of the hunchback ...
          2. psiho117
            psiho117 30 November 2015 15: 40 New
            -2
            Quote: max702
            ... the cost of a new barrel and bolt will be the main ones, changing the production of cartridges will have to be minimized

            What for "minimum"?
            What good is the type of new cartridge if the old ones remain there:
            - Berdan capsule
            - a bullet of an old design (whose landing in the sleeve walks as it should)
            - old gunpowder giving a monstrous soot.
            + for sure, professionals will count a few more archaisms that need to be replaced.
            And what is the result? a completely new cartridge, which has only the old geometric dimensions of the bottom of the sleeve.
        4. psiho117
          psiho117 30 November 2015 15: 28 New
          0
          Quote: self-propelled
          The 6.5x38 Grendel cartridge is positioned as the optimal compromise in combining ballistic qualities, striking effects, recoil momentum and dimensions and ammunition mass, which occupies a niche between the NATO 7.62x51 and NATO 5.56x45 cartridges.

          It may be positioned, but the amers will definitely not accept it. They look more at 6,8 REM SPC - it is based on a 5,56mm cartridge case, requires minimal alterations in rifles and magazines. But even these minimal alterations spill over into such a lot of money, and run into such resistance from the general lobby that there are no progress so far
    2. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 30 November 2015 09: 09 New
      0
      verbal battles between supporters and opponents of 5,45 and 7,62 calibers do not subside

      On the Weapon TV channel, it was once said that the Americans are currently thinking about abandoning the 5,56 caliber and want to return to the standard 7,62.
    3. Hon
      Hon 30 November 2015 09: 10 New
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      Return to glorious times of the Fedorov assault rifle under the cartridge 6,5 mm Arisaka

      Arisaka is quite a rifle cartridge, with an impulse unacceptable for an assault rifle. And the Fedorov’s assault rifle didn’t have, only two thousand two hundred copies were produced
    4. Major_Vortex
      Major_Vortex 30 November 2015 09: 28 New
      +1
      Quote: inkass_98
      Return to glorious times of the Fedorov assault rifle under the cartridge 6,5 mm Arisaka laughing ? This, of course, is sarcasm, but in fact, verbal battles between supporters and opponents of the 5,45 and 7,62 calibers for machine guns do not actually subside. It is quite obvious that the cartridge of the calibers specified in the article, i.e. 6,5-6,8 mm.
      And by the way, the cartridge for the Arisak rifle was not so bad, it was just compared to the 7,62x54, a obviously unequal comparison. In the current realities, one can look at the problem from a completely different angle and at a different technological level.

      This article is about a 6,5 mm Grendel cartridge with heavy bullets, which is effective at distances up to 800 m and is used in standard NATO rifles. It only requires the replacement of the barrel, bolt and magazine from an automatic rifle based on AR-15. This saves money when switching to this caliber. But the cartridge is heavy compared to the 5,56 mm NATO and many of these cartridges on the fighter will not carry away. The special forces in Afghanistan use the 6,5 mm Grendel cartridge, in the mountains such a cartridge is more effective than the 5,56 mm NATO with its limited effective range. The 5,56 mm NATO bullet quickly loses speed and no longer has sufficient slaughter at distances of over 200 m.
    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 1 December 2015 14: 56 New
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      inkas_98

      Everyone knows that 6.5 is the most optimal calliber. But switching to it is very difficult.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 30 November 2015 08: 13 New
    +1
    Fedorov was a brilliant gunsmith. No worse than Browning. But he lived not there and not then. The famous machine gun Dyagterev (27th year) - this is also his brainchild!
    And then he chose the caliber - not by chance, but very purposefully. The Germans finished their intermediate cartridge in army weapons only during WWII.
    1. Hon
      Hon 30 November 2015 09: 18 New
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Fedorov was a brilliant gunsmith. No worse than Browning. But he lived not there and not then.

      Why so? Fedorov brought up and directed, a large number of domestic designers of gunsmiths, gave them his knowledge and vision of the development of automatic systems of small arms.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      And then he chose the caliber - not by chance, but very purposefully. The Germans finished their intermediate cartridge in army weapons only during WWII.

      Arisaka rifle cartridges are not intermediate. The opinion that a cartridge with a lower impulse is needed has been voiced for a long time, but small arms suffer from conservatism. The German project is also much older than the implementation, and also for a long time could not be published due to the conservatism of the military. His appearance is rather an accident.
  4. srha
    srha 30 November 2015 09: 04 New
    -1
    "Universal soldier" - a chi - film stamp, specialization - this is the basis of progress, both in technology and in military affairs.
    Compare the specialization in the Roman army with the barbarians. In the first, the gastatas, principles, triaries and cavalry, not counting special units such as velites, engineering, medical, throwing machines, are rather weak in single-handed combat. The second "Universal Soldier" which was on average significantly more versatile and stronger than the Roman infantryman.
    And the described "Universal Soldier" is more like a microtractor with a bunch of interchangeable suspensions, and the efficiency is much less than special. cars. It is only necessary for processing small plots.
    1. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 November 2015 14: 02 New
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      Quote: srha
      Compare the specialization in the Roman army with the barbarians. In the first, the gastatas, principles, triaries and cavalry, not counting special units such as velites, engineering, medical, throwing machines, are rather weak in single-handed combat. The second "Universal Soldier" which was on average significantly more versatile and stronger than the Roman infantryman.

      that's why they fought as part of units with clearly thought-out numbers ...
      and the only battle - it was necessary to contact the Colosseum.
      1. srha
        srha 1 December 2015 19: 53 New
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        Quote: PSih2097
        and the only battle is at the Colosseum
        Well, why, not only does it happen that a crowd of the same "universal soldiers" attacks specialists ... As I can see in the 20th minute of the movie "Officers" the attack is the same, i.e. "universal soldiers" in the gorge to the compartment with a machine gun of his former nobility, Lieutenant Georgy Petrovich. But you are right, single-handed in normal armies are not welcome.

        After all, that is the meaning of modern stupidity of the term "universal soldier"that he is deprived of specialization in concept - initially, which means that he will have a tendency to individual fights even in the ranks, since he is self-sufficient - universal, and the neighbors will most likely annoy him and interfere with the result of inconsistency, a different approach, etc. And now, even in a department, specialization is desirable, then not my offer, but I give as an example: a department: two teams of 4 people each; 1 team: grenade launcher (AKS-74U, RPG 7D3 + 2 RPG shots), assistant grenade launcher (AK-105 + 4 RPG shots), machine gunner (RPK-74 with drum magazines 75, 90 or 100 rounds), shooter with AK- 107 + GP-30; 2 team: machine gunner (RPK-74 with drum magazines for 75, 90 or 100 rounds), shooter with SVDU-AS (store for 20 rounds + optics), shooter with AK-105 + one-time RPG "Fly" / RPO "Bumblebee" or for urban battles, the AKS-74U + multiple-charge grenade launcher (RG-6 or MO-94), shotgun, squad leader with AK-107 + GP-30.
  5. Yar Ga
    Yar Ga 30 November 2015 09: 12 New
    0
    Dude from the first photo at least a supermega blaster to give on liquid tritium will not help. Manufacturing for shooting from the knee performed on a solid 2. soldier
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 30 November 2015 11: 20 New
      +1
      I can not agree with you. This rifle
      no return. There will be no push to the shoulder or a blow to the face. And the bulpap has a center of gravity
      near the body. The elbow is placed either a little further than the knee, or to the knee (as in
      this soldier). Tall soldiers are more comfortable with an elbow beyond the knee.
      And fixing the arms with the hands is excellent. The Englishman shoots correctly.
      1. Yar Ga
        Yar Ga 30 November 2015 14: 38 New
        +1
        I can not agree with you. smile Sitting on your left foot. Reliance on the right !! knee with right elbow !!! and pressing the staples with the finger of the right hand !!))) This option can be used 1. as an intermediate position when shooting in sector 8-12. But left-ahead is the second fighter !! (which sits in the opposite position) 2.When firing from the grenade launcher, when the left hand finger is on the bracket. With the subsequent change of position. 3. When shooting with a pistol. without stopping at the knee.
        I think. 1. The probability of getting from this position is less than with the traditional one at times. 2. There is a high probability that this soldier will be injured; the reflex line can fly away into his comrade. 3. Sector 12-3 is not operational.
  6. sa-zz
    sa-zz 30 November 2015 10: 08 New
    0
    The article is about nothing.
    So many letters and a minimum of information (transition to a new caliber, groin protection) ... and that’s all?
    1. dokusib
      dokusib 1 December 2015 07: 22 New
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      I agree. It was just necessary to push the speech somewhere, but there was nothing to talk about. One water. Like, we fought with partisans and forgot how to fight with regular troops. Give me money.
  7. erased
    erased 30 November 2015 10: 23 New
    +1
    The tendency to abandon the 5,56x45 cartridge is already quite obvious. As an alternative, the cartridges are 6,5x39 and 6,8x43. The Turkish army generally adopts the MPT-76 carbine under the cartridge 7,62x51.
    We also argue what ammunition is more suitable for the army and mention the same ammunition Grendel and Barrett. But it’s interesting whether comparative tests of these cartridges and our 5,45x39 were carried out. Of particular interest are two indicators - armor penetration and stopping action. For our part, we should put up cartridges 7n22 and 7n24, as well as the new 7n39. And even if imported ones surpass ours, how much? Is the game worth the candle? And isn’t it easier then to return the 7,62x39 cartridge, especially since the issue with accuracy seems to be resolved on the new AK-12? Here it is necessary to understand.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 30 November 2015 11: 00 New
      0
      It is still not possible to compare the penetration resistance because it is necessary to compare the same bullets in design, and the armor-piercing Grendel, if any, is only made somewhere in the USA specifically for competitive trials. Here is a stopping simpler similar to something you can pick up.
      1. erased
        erased 30 November 2015 11: 27 New
        0
        Cartridges 7H22, 7H24 and especially 7H39 are essentially armor-piercing. With them, and you can compare imported cartridges.
    2. Cananecat
      Cananecat 30 November 2015 11: 16 New
      +1
      I watched a video a long time ago where the accuracy of different calibers was compared when shooting through various obstacles, from plywood to a bunch of rods ... and so, the spread is practically the same.
      1. psiho117
        psiho117 30 November 2015 15: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Canecat
        I watched a video a long time ago where the accuracy of different calibers was compared when shooting through various obstacles, from plywood to a bunch of rods ... and so, the spread is practically the same.

        Yeah, this would be to watch homegrown experts who prove with foam that the “five” do not take bushes, but somersaults right away, the gymnast is sort of))
        Like "Seven" OursAll, let's get it back.
        In general, studies were conducted, and a definite answer was given - the deviation is 14% for 7,62 mm and 16% for 5,45 mm. There is no difference.
        They would still have to watch videos of how they shoot at a tree trunk with a circumference of 30 centimeters, and - lo and behold! - 5,45 and 5,56 penetrate it right through, and 7,62 gets stuck ...
    3. bunta
      bunta 30 November 2015 11: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: erased
      the issue with accuracy seems to be resolved on the new AK-12?

      nothing has been decided there. I think it’s not worth rushing here. We will wait until they decide on a new cartridge, fill themselves with cones and take it better.
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 30 November 2015 12: 08 New
        0
        For some reason, everything revolves only around AK and AEK, no one remembers ABP, although it seems to me that it is more promising.
        1. nazar_0753
          nazar_0753 30 November 2015 16: 14 New
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          ADS is clearly more expensive and more complicated than AK and AEK. Therefore, he will not go to the infantry massively
          1. Izotovp
            Izotovp 30 November 2015 17: 23 New
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            I agree that it is more expensive and more difficult, but BCC also once were like that, but now ...
    4. PSih2097
      PSih2097 30 November 2015 14: 08 New
      +2
      Quote: erased
      Of particular interest are two indicators - armor penetration and stopping action.

      I agree with penetration, but I don’t understand what stopping action in the army, the main thing in the army is either to kill or injure the enemy, but the main stopping action in law enforcement agencies (as a rule, does not apply to their special forces).
  8. carabiner sks
    carabiner sks 30 November 2015 12: 28 New
    +1
    Speaking about winter operations in the Arctic Circle, the Director of the Department of Development of the needs of ground forces in the Canadian Ministry of Defense Enrik Bufar explained that the air temperatures there can reach minus 50 degrees, and summer plus 50 degrees.

    Something with summer temperatures beyond the Arctic Circle is wrong ... Either the translator is overheated, or the author, or maybe global warming is so powerful ...
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 30 November 2015 12: 39 New
      +1
      Until +50 I will not say, but for +40 in the polar Urals in my memory was. And to -53. So it’s quite a difference of 100 degrees.
  9. Tektor
    Tektor 30 November 2015 18: 00 New
    +1
    KVM, in the future, an augmented reality helmet will be used with the output of a weapon sight. The weapon itself will go on to reduce the caliber and mass of the bullet, but increase its energy, i.e. speed. Ideally, this would be a micropool with hypersonic speed from an electromagnetic machine. Such a micropulse will be able to break through a concrete pillbox.
  10. glavnykarapuz
    glavnykarapuz 30 November 2015 20: 25 New
    +1
    The author of the "D-lap" on the soap!
    One beginning of the article is already something - "5,56 mm SA80A3 assault rifle Heckler & Koch" belay
    SA80 is the general name of the complex - consisting of a machine gun L85, a light (manual) machine gun L86, a short machine gun L22 and a training rifle L98. The L85 already had 2 upgrades going under the letters A1 and A2.
    The manufacturer of this complex English "Royal Small Arms Factory".
    And the German Heckler & Koch made upgrades to increase reliability (passed under the letter A2 for L85) and adapted the ability to install a 40mm grenade launcher of its own design. I remember this with my meager little mind (I just decided not to aggravate the rest).
    Not an article, but a set of marketing verbiage. "Ponadergano" for the volume of the article from everywhere on a little bit, but essentially nothing good - neither about weapons, nor about means of protection, nor about anything else.
    "Trash".
  11. 31rus
    31rus 30 November 2015 20: 43 New
    0
    Dear, it’s kind of strange to read the Americans’ surprise at the transition of hostilities from partisan to combined arms, they taught themselves, armed themselves, gave them the opportunity to "grow at once", and now they rack their brains how it happened, it makes no sense to make an expensive military unit out of a soldier it will be like with a modern tank and RPG, that is, the cost of training, equipment, weapons of a soldier killed (or incapacitated) with simple weapons will make any country think about expediency, another issue is strengthening, improving the quality of intelligence about the enemy, his weapons, tactics etc, then you don’t need to think how many and what weapons and what equipment you need to take
  12. 31rus
    31rus 30 November 2015 20: 43 New
    0
    Dear, it’s kind of strange to read the Americans’ surprise at the transition of hostilities from partisan to combined arms, they taught themselves, armed themselves, gave them the opportunity to "grow at once", and now they rack their brains how it happened, it makes no sense to make an expensive military unit out of a soldier it will be like with a modern tank and RPG, that is, the cost of training, equipment, weapons of a soldier killed (or incapacitated) with simple weapons will make any country think about expediency, another issue is strengthening, improving the quality of intelligence about the enemy, his weapons, tactics etc, then you don’t need to think how many and what weapons and what equipment you need to take
  13. Taras
    Taras 22 March 2016 12: 13 New
    0
    No one could have foreseen that after the international asymmetrical campaigns led by the United States and NATO conducted over the past decade in relatively tolerable combat conditions in Afghanistan and Iraq, NATO forces would again be forced to take military measures on the Eastern European flank of the Alliance in response to more traditional threats from Russia, which consisted in the annexation of Crimea 18 March 2014 of the year and the subsequent participation of this country in the civil war in Ukraine in 2014 year.

    after such x..ni and not worth reading !!!