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New Turkish fairy tales: "The Turkish F-16 pilots did not receive a direct order from the command to shoot down the Su-24, they acted themselves - according to the instructions"

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All new and new statements about how exactly the crews of Turkish fighter-interceptors hit the Russian Su-24 bomber are published in the Turkish media. So, in the newspaper Hurriyet An article appeared in which the “data” is presented, voiced by an unnamed representative of the Turkish Air Force. This man claims that the pilots of the Turkish F-16 did not receive any order from the command before striking a Russian military aircraft.


New Turkish fairy tales: "The Turkish F-16 pilots did not receive a direct order from the command to shoot down the Su-24, they acted themselves - according to the instructions"


The military official declares: in the Turkish Air Force, the rules are such that the incident is reported to the higher command, and then the pilots follow the instructions, and if the command doesn’t give any “alarm”, then it’s time to press the “red button” and attack a foreign plane.

From the material of the Turkish edition with reference to the military source:
During 5 minutes the pilots (F-16) informed the headquarters, the signals were received by the commander of the air force of Turkey Mehmet Shanver and the commander-in-chief of the air force Abidin Unal. The pilots did not receive commands to cancel the pursuit of a goal and strike it, and implemented the procedure, acting on instructions.


If everything was so, there are obvious Turkish instructions: firstly, since when did they begin to spread to the airspace of neighboring states, secondly, if, as the Turks say, Su-24 still crossed Turkey's airspace, why in Other cases, the pilots did not act on their instructions? And what about the statement of the Prime Minister Davutoglu, who stated at all that he personally gave the order to attack the Russian plane, and with the statement of Erdogan that he did not know the military statehood of the aircraft at all ...

What other tales will Turkish partners tell? ..
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  1. katalonec2014
    katalonec2014 27 November 2015 16: 20
    41
    What are they holding the whole world for idiots?
    1. Svyatogor
      Svyatogor 27 November 2015 16: 20
      45
      One nonsense replaces another. Not a single pilot will decide in peacetime to bring down someone else's plane without a command from the ground. Moreover, Russia was not an enemy country for Turkey, at least on the day when our plane was shot down.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 27 November 2015 16: 21
        34
        Quote: Svyatogor
        One nonsense replaces another.

        In the end, it turns out that the rocket itself flew and was from North Korea. yes
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 27 November 2015 16: 24
          29
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In the end, it turns out that the rocket itself flew and was from the DPRK

          Do not prompt!
        2. stariy
          stariy 27 November 2015 16: 28
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In the end, it turns out that the rocket itself flew and was from the DPRK

          or a meteorite shot down a plane.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 27 November 2015 16: 34
          +8
          Soon there will be excuses that it drank F 16th did not understand the command from the ground - they say the ISIS radio crashed into it.
          1. Throw
            Throw 27 November 2015 16: 45
            0
            We will not find out full information, but there is a possibility that this is the initiative of the Turkoyak, and not the government.
            Perhaps, when the same Erdogan was reported, he asked them, “What are you, morons ?!”, and without orienting himself with the overflow, he called not us, but NATO members, who asked him the same question ...
            And now, so as not to lose face, everyone holds their faces in bricks and carries a different blizzard, because the truth means a conspiracy and a mess in the NATO forces.

            Therefore, I do not adhere to this version, but I do not exclude it.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 17: 28
              +3
              Quote: Lance
              Therefore, I do not adhere to this version, but I do not exclude it.

              Absolutely. I also thought that this could well be. As an option - quite ...

              Oswald, not hitting the cow from 10 steps, fired shots that do credit to any sniper! Why doesn't the "mad Turkish colonel" emerge here? No worse or better version than any other Erdogan nonsense. I agree that this is hardly really the case - the stakes and forces are too high. but why they minus for a reasonable, in general, version - I don't understand ...
              1. Throw
                Throw 27 November 2015 17: 49
                +9
                The fact that the Turks were p ... sy and double-handed and without an airplane was understandable, but I did not think it was possible to consider the one-sided incident, so I wrote a possible version. Which incidentally does not contradict the current behavior and conflicting statements of the Turks and NATO.

                And cons, let them be minuscule, on health. Whoever wants to remember, let him say, I will again use something obscene, for example, I’ll write about ekranoplans
                bully laughing
                1. igorka357
                  igorka357 27 November 2015 18: 11
                  +2
                  Pretty boy... wink but to spite you I plus you laughing !!!
                2. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 23: 54
                  +3
                  Quote: Lance
                  And cons, let them be minuscule, on health.

                  Yes, not the minuses, as such. I just think that a minus means disagreement with the point of view of the author (articles, comments, etc.). And if, for example, you do not agree, then put a minus and explain what you disagree with. And then they stupidly throw minuses, not saying a word ... Like a clown-Yavlinsy at one time - "No !!!! I can't go for that !!!" They will ask what they disagree with - again "No !!!! I can't accept this !!!" If only against, but who, what and why - it doesn't matter ...
              2. igorka357
                igorka357 27 November 2015 18: 09
                +9
                I don’t see any reason at all to minus a person for his opinion, it’s easier to explain, but this version is the most natural nonsense, immediately Erdogan would contact the GDP and say, excuse me by chance .. here is the guilty general in shackles, here is the guilty pilot in shackles, we’ll plant them for life and Russia is concluding a deal for thirty lard greens, plus payment to the families of the dead soldiers and for L / A, as well as permission to cross Turkish airspace, and the exchange of intelligence information ... and that’s all! After half a year, this incident would have been seldom recalled, otherwise. . right now there will be tension absolutely !!! Everything was planned and executed !!!
                1. Throw
                  Throw 29 November 2015 03: 14
                  0
                  and said excuse me an accident

                  1. Accidentally, in such conditions, to fill up a bomber is like "accidentally" shooting a pensioner from a sawn-off shotgun at the right place and moment.

                  2. "Sorry" ?? did the Americans and Ukrainians apologize for the downed airliners?

                  The mentality is not the one to apologize for!

                  3. Erdogan holds his face with a brick, because an apology will lead to a loss of the electorate, politic weight and ties to the igil.

                  4. As for delirium and planning. The Turks may need the Ottoman Empire, but they certainly do not need ruins. And power crises too.
                  You have correctly written the theses; try to rethink them in the opposite way.
            2. Igor Olegovich
              Igor Olegovich 28 November 2015 01: 03
              0
              They have long instead of faces - an ass.
          2. lukke
            lukke 27 November 2015 17: 34
            +6
            Soon there will be excuses that it drank F 16th did not understand the command from the ground - they say the ISIS radio crashed into it
            they don’t ... say that he is not a pilot at all, but the animator from Kemer turned out to be at the helm accidentally - he temporarily replaced the sick cousin's nephew!
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        4. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 27 November 2015 17: 20
          +7
          Quote: Vladimirets
          In the end, it turns out that the rocket itself flew and was from North Korea.

          Eugene! Shame on you? So reveal all the strategic plans of Turkey and the United States? laughing good Now they have to come up with something even funnier. For example, that our plane itself exploded in the air from chagrin that violated Turkish airspace ...

          drinks , drinks , drinks ... - You can’t even think of such a thing ... laughing
          1. Lelek
            Lelek 27 November 2015 19: 51
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            You can’t even think of such a thing ..



            And they come up with the tacit and not very consent of not only their own, but also, it would seem, our partners.
            1. Turkir
              Turkir 27 November 2015 19: 58
              +2
              I would like to remind this gentleman named "Baku" that there was no Azerbaijan 200 years ago, it appeared only in 1918. Thanks to Russia.
              But Russia and Armenia already existed.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 27 November 2015 20: 46
                +1
                Quote: Turkir
                I would like to remind this gentleman named "Baku" that there was no Azerbaijan 200 years ago, it appeared only in 1918. Thanks to Russia.
                But Russia and Armenia already existed.

                I would like to know where Armen Gasparyan got such information from, otherwise we will soon get to ukroSMI. No.
              2. meriem1
                meriem1 28 November 2015 07: 57
                0
                Quote: Turkir
                I would like to remind this gentleman named "Baku" that there was no Azerbaijan 200 years ago, it appeared only in 1918. Thanks to Russia.
                But Russia and Armenia already existed.


                And before making such statements, it would be nice to recall how many Azerbaijanis live in Russia. Legally and not very.
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 02: 47
              +1
              Quote: Lelek
              And they come up with the tacit and not very consent of not only their own, but also, it would seem, our partners.

              Is this something we have been doing to Azerbaijan for 200 years? And he existed so much, that Azerbaijan? Schaz is better alone - the Great Azerbaijanis will be found, they will say that they dug up the Caspian Sea ... They appeared in 1918 as a protectorate of Turkey, and in 20 the Soviet government covered this freebie. That’s all statehood. When did we manage to harm them, and most importantly, what? Without Russia - a trick in the markets and Bul-Bul-ogly on the TV - that's all the achievements ...

              Is there one "ally" on our head?!? Enemies are better - they will not betray ...
          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 27 November 2015 21: 54
            +2
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Eugene! Shame on you?

            It's a shame, but what to do. recourse crying
        5. hrapon
          hrapon 27 November 2015 17: 44
          +4
          Quote: Vladimirets
          Quote: Svyatogor
          One nonsense replaces another.

          In the end, it turns out that the rocket itself flew and was from North Korea. yes



          Here is a serious analysis: http: //news-front.info/2015/11/27/turki-byli-ne-odni/

          In a nutshell: the Turks technically couldn’t independently bring their Falcons onto our SU-24 so precisely.
          1. Throw
            Throw 28 November 2015 01: 10
            +1
            This "analysis" needs to be taken to the hospital for worms, here it has already been posted, we read kaments.
            But from there:
            http://news-front.info/2015/11/27/amerikanskij-general-turciya-narushila-mezhdun

            arodnoe-pravo /
      2. Snake AAA
        Snake AAA 27 November 2015 16: 22
        12
        Damn how much you can lie, the whole history Turkey is a vile nation, they always acted from under the tesch, or when they were confident in the numerical superiority! Never honestly went into battle !!! And now there is no courage to admit to vile provocation !!! Although honesty could be respected, and so t vari vile, made filth and in the bushes, or rather in NATO!
        1. Oleg14774
          Oleg14774 27 November 2015 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: Serpent AAA
          Damn how much can you lie

          The answer is obvious: How much they can, but they can for a long time!
          1. voronbel53
            voronbel53 27 November 2015 19: 08
            +1
            Quote: Oleg147741
            The answer is obvious: How much they can, but they can for a long time!

            As much as people like Erdogan rule, for whom power is more important than the fate of the people entrusted to them ...
        2. MIKHAN
          MIKHAN 27 November 2015 16: 26
          17
          Give these to us ... Maybe we will! hi
          1. Ross_ulair
            Ross_ulair 27 November 2015 16: 43
            +4
            And not enough rockets at sushki? Only two for close combat with IR and two for long-range ...

            Of course, numerous targets in the air are not planned, but still ...
            I would hang to the maximum on all pylons fellow
            The radius will certainly decrease, and the consumption of kerosene is greater, but the soul would be warm repeat
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 27 November 2015 16: 29
        +3
        Really Ukrostan's disease began to spread.
      4. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 27 November 2015 16: 32
        21
        Let’s summarize the Turkish bribe: SU violated the border of the turbans for 17 seconds, but they didn’t know whose it was, they caught up with Syria, they knocked the prime minister off the command, who didn’t cancel the instructions for the pilots who acted on it, but the Turks are our friends and allies, he just can’t get through to Putin erdohryun and therefore will not apologize, but will bring down everything flying over Syria, because he’s a fighter with ISIS, destroying their smuggled oil through a left-wing sale, but this must be proved to someone, otherwise he will resign! Ahhhh, brain explosion! The whole world is stupid, Erdogan is a test guy! am
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 28 November 2015 02: 53
          +1
          Quote: Major Yurik
          Let’s summarize the Turkish bribe: SU violated the border of the turbans for 17 seconds, but they didn’t know whose it was, they caught up with Syria, they knocked the prime minister off the command, who didn’t cancel the instructions for the pilots who acted on it, but the Turks are our friends and allies, he just can’t get through to Putin erdohryun and therefore will not apologize, but will bring down everything flying over Syria, because he’s a fighter with ISIS, destroying their smuggled oil through a left-wing sale, but this must be proved to someone, otherwise he will resign! Ahhhh, brain explosion! The whole world is stupid, Erdogan is a test guy!

          Awesome situational analysis! laughing From the heart ... good Definitely - it makes sense from Erdogan and the State Department to demand money. I especially liked this place
          he’s a fighter against IS, destroying their smuggled oil through left-handed salesbut it must be proved to someone, otherwise he will resign!
          My wife will bake pies too - my grandson and I immediately eat them so that they do not occupy a place on the table and do not interfere at all .... laughing
      5. good7
        good7 27 November 2015 16: 41
        +1
        Actually, she is a member of NATO.
      6. SPACE
        SPACE 27 November 2015 17: 39
        +2
        Quote: Svyatogor
        One nonsense replaces another.

        These antics, on the one hand, prove that it was an accidental trick of a militant coward, on the other hand, it reminds an idiot witty elders to get to a serious guy who is passing in order to try his strength and then bend into the bushes.
      7. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 27 November 2015 19: 06
        0
        Quote: Svyatogor
        One nonsense replaces another

        That is why the Turks drank with the Ukrochiks. They are worthy of each other.
    2. Nick
      Nick 27 November 2015 16: 27
      +3
      Quote: katalonec2014
      What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

      Quote: Svyatogor
      One nonsense replaces another.

      Just "childish" attempts to justify themselves ...
    3. 79807420129
      79807420129 27 November 2015 16: 30
      10
      Quote: katalonec2014
      What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

      Those who planned this provocation knew very well the entire routine of the Turkish Air Force, and the club Erdogan thought that its organizers would hide right away, but now they substitute Erdogan, and he senses it and also feels that his business is on fire with ISIS and it’s spinning like a frying pan , rightly so, they teach fools.
    4. Vend
      Vend 27 November 2015 16: 37
      +3
      Quote: katalonec2014
      What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

      It is time to compose a book from the statements of the Turks. One contradicts the other. That they 5 minutes sent a request, they did not know whose plane, etc. They do not know how to lie, to believe. And now someone will have to answer for this. They will find the switchman and feed the sharks. Apparently scapegoats will make the pilot.
      "The Turkish Air Force inadvertently shot down a Russian Su-24M bomber.
      This was stated by Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, quoted by Reuters. "Https://news.mail.ru/politics/24105560/?frommail=1
      1. subbtin.725
        subbtin.725 27 November 2015 16: 44
        +3
        And for what the author of the article is minus ???
    5. Prisoner
      Prisoner 27 November 2015 16: 43
      +5
      They are scared, they are hysterical. In such a situation that you can’t blurt out, you’re all pointing a finger at the sky. They are not holding the world for idiots, they themselves are now in a state of idiocy.
    6. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 27 November 2015 16: 44
      +6
      Every day, I note that everything goes strictly according to the plan, which many of our experts have stated.
      Russia keeps a tense silence.
      GDP clearly calculates the pause. He knows how.
      And this silence is even worse than the S-400.
      All our performances are just peculiar flags for which the Turks are not allowed to advance, and with which Erdogan is constantly squeezed a field for maneuver.
      It is also noteworthy that the world is quietly, gradually, and somewhere (Greece) violently and emotionally, it begins to recognize Russia's law.
      But this is all so, passing.
      The main goal is different - to remove Erdogan.
      And there, gas flows, trade and tourism, and other delights of cooperation will already be resumed.
      In addition, the image of a strong, powerful, unyielding and independent Russia will remain in the memory of the Turks. And this, knowing them, will entail respect, secret admiration, and in some places fear.
      And these are the prerequisites for a long-term peace and respect on their part.
      But they will always foul finely. But these are already objective processes that must and must be taken into account.
      1. 2s1122
        2s1122 27 November 2015 17: 13
        +1
        Yes, at first they will cover them like a wolf with red flags, and then they will drive them in the right direction. And then grab an apple and yours will not dance, OPPA. crying
    7. Sergei1982
      Sergei1982 27 November 2015 17: 17
      +5
      Words of Air Force Commander Bondarev
      In connection with the emergence of various versions of the circumstances of the attack of the Turkish F-16 fighter on a Russian Su-24M aircraft in the sky over Syria on November 24, I want to introduce you to the whole factual picture of this unprecedented in its treachery event, ”he said.




      “At 09.15 Moscow time, the combat mission arrived to strike in the area of ​​the settlements of Kepir-Mortlu-Zahiya in northern Syria. To accomplish this combat mission, two crews of Su-24M aircraft were identified, including a crew consisting of Lieutenant Colonel Oleg Anatolyevich Peshkov and navigator Captain Konstantin Valerievich Murakhtin - aircraft No. 83 with a combat charge of four OFAB-250-270, ”the commander in chief said.
      The crews were assigned a duty zone in the air in the area of ​​the village of Maaret-En-Nuuman at echelons of 5800 meters and 5650 meters, respectively.

      Takeoff from the Khmeimim airfield was carried out at 09.42 Moscow time. After 10 minutes, the Su-24M entered and “34 minutes was in the detection zone of the Turkish airborne radar equipment,” Bondarev noted.

      “The results of objective monitoring of Syria’s radar confirm the presence of two F-16c in the air in the duty zone from 9 hours 11 minutes to 10 hours 26 minutes for 1 hour 15 minutes at an altitude of 2,4 thousand meters, which indicates a pre-planned action and the readiness of fighters act from an ambush in the air over the territory of Turkey, ”said Bondarev, RIA Novosti reports.

      As the Commander-in-Chief clarified, the necessary flight time for the F-16c from the Diyarbakir airbase from the standby position on the ground to the rocket launch site is 46 minutes, of which 15 minutes are the preparation and take-off of the aircraft, 31 minutes are the flight time to the launch line.

      “Thus, it is not possible to intercept the Su-24m aircraft from the standby position on the ground from the Diyarbakir airfield, since the necessary approach time exceeds the minimum time for attacking the target by 12 minutes,” Bondarev added.

      “In the process of striking a target located 5,5 kilometers south of the Turkish state border, at 10.24 Moscow time, the crew of Lieutenant Colonel Peshkov bombed, after which they were shot down by an air-to-air rocket by the Turkish Air Force F-16, taking off from an airfield The 8th Diyarbakir air base located in Turkey, ”he said.

      Bondarev noted that the command to the crew of the Su-24M to destroy a cluster of militants in a given area came from the command post of the Khmeimim air base 20 minutes after the crew occupied the airborne watch zone.

      “The crews (Su-24) sequentially performed bombing on two assigned targets and carried out a second left-turn approach to hit the remaining two assigned targets,” Bondarev said.

      “The way the F-16c aircraft enters the permitted launches zone, not according to the pursuit curve, indicates fighter guidance from a ground control point,” said Bondarev.

      As the Commander-in-Chief noted, the actions of the Turkish aircraft after launching missiles over the territory of Syria - a forced U-turn with loss of altitude and departure under the lower boundary of the air defense detection zone - also speaks of the treachery and plannedness of the crew’s actions.

      “It should be noted that the cessation of maneuvering of the fighter plane in the duty zone and the beginning of a quick exit to the anticipated launch point occurred one minute 40 seconds before the Su-24m aircraft reached the Syrian-Turkish border,” the commander-in-chief added.
    8. Alexey Boukin
      Alexey Boukin 27 November 2015 18: 15
      +1
      Quote: katalonec2014
      What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

      Well no! This info will not pass. It is known that two F-16s waited patiently and long for our plane to fulfill a vile order.
    9. Albert1988
      Albert1988 27 November 2015 18: 47
      0
      Quote: katalonec2014
      What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

      Rather, the Americans simply organized a provocation through their people in the leadership of Turkey and among the high command of its army like that. that neither Erdoganchik nor the other Pasha from the highest echelons of power knew about this ...
      Now they have a little chaos and, quite possibly, panic from the fact that they themselves do not understand how to react to it, plus NATO said that it had nothing to do with it, so the politicians "stuck" like a swan, cancer and a pike ran in. ..

      Moreover, there are contradictions inside the country - if you recall, then Erdogan and the current prime minister were the most important competitors in the elections, so it is quite possible that there is not even a single position on this issue.

      In general, the Turks are clearly a mess of universal proportions in the leadership ...
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  3. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 27 November 2015 16: 21
    +4
    The failed Sultan completely lied. fool
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 27 November 2015 16: 23
      35
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/344/kmsd986.png

      Tales from the same series ...
  4. AlexTires
    AlexTires 27 November 2015 16: 21
    +7
    the Turks realized that they were recording ***** specifically, and decided to bury the truth in a bunch of versions in the hope that no one would understand ..
    1. 2s1122
      2s1122 27 November 2015 17: 20
      +5
      And the F-16 pilot will also be hidden under the ground so that he doesn’t hang too much
      1. Alexey Boukin
        Alexey Boukin 27 November 2015 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: 2s1122
        And the F-16 pilot will also be hidden under the ground so that he doesn’t hang too much

        That's for sure! It must be remembered that the executor of a criminal order is always sent after his victims.
    2. voronbel53
      voronbel53 27 November 2015 20: 51
      0
      The more Turks slander, the less faith they will have. The truth is simple, and the lie is sophisticated - therefore, in a lie you can always find a weak link and refute it. Erdogan lies, and nobody wants to support his lie, you have to disentangle the porridge yourself, advisers and instigators, as always, stood aside ...
  5. WKS
    WKS 27 November 2015 16: 21
    +5
    They tell the path of these tales to their citizens.
  6. Fregate
    Fregate 27 November 2015 16: 23
    +2
    Well, this is the Turkish edition writes referring to an unnamed source. Who he was and whether he was at all or was it "gag" is unknown.
  7. pavelty
    pavelty 27 November 2015 16: 23
    +2
    lost, of course, the face of the Turks, what are the following options ?? in an unequal battle, brave pilots shot down Russian aces? nits
  8. izya top
    izya top 27 November 2015 16: 24
    +3
    already completely erupted. Turk weathercocks
  9. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 27 November 2015 16: 24
    +3
    This version for excuses is usually the most common! Make ordinary soldiers guilty and declare that they have been punished or removed from work and sent to prison! Artists ...
  10. Bort radist
    Bort radist 27 November 2015 16: 24
    +2
    "Thousand and One Nights" Turkish version. Interestingly, they read the Russian fairy tale about the death of Kascheev. Who considered himself immortal, but his death was at the tip of a needle (just an analogue - a homing head in a rocket)
  11. Denis DV
    Denis DV 27 November 2015 16: 25
    +3
    On a tree is a chest, in a chest is a hare, in a hare is a duck, in a duck is an egg, in an egg is a needle, and on the tip of a needle is NATO's death)))
  12. SERGEY UI
    SERGEY UI 27 November 2015 16: 26
    +6
    Erdogan went roof wassat
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan advised Russia not to play with fire, bearing in mind the possible consequences of the incident with a Su-24 shot down, Reuters reports.

    At the same time, Erdogan said that he did not want to spoil relations with Moscow.

    On Thursday, November 26, Erdogan refused to apologize for the attack on the Su-24, noting that in the event of an invasion of the country's airspace, the military would act in the same way as in the case of a downed Russian bomber.
  13. Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 27 November 2015 16: 26
    +2
    So the names of the first scapegoats sounded.
    1. katalonec2014
      katalonec2014 27 November 2015 16: 30
      0
      [quote = Mikhail Krapivin] Here are the names of the first scapegoats.
      At the expense of the first I agree, at the expense of the absolution I’m not sure.
  14. Wedmak
    Wedmak 27 November 2015 16: 26
    +3
    All the same, they can’t surpass Ukraine. Brave Ukrainians flunked hundreds of Armats and almost three regiments of paratroopers. And they are still holding back the advance of Putin’s armored armada.
  15. Bort radist
    Bort radist 27 November 2015 16: 28
    +1
    Quote: sever.56
    http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2015/344/kmsd986.png

    Tales from the same series ...

    At 21 seconds, he realized that it was time to go somewhere.
  16. AUL
    AUL 27 November 2015 16: 30
    +5
    When one person gives a lot of different and mutually exclusive explanations for one event - one cannot believe any of them!
    How a bitchy woman dodge!
  17. Snake AAA
    Snake AAA 27 November 2015 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: SERGEY UI
    Erdogan went roof wassat
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan advised Russia not to play with fire, bearing in mind the possible consequences of the incident with a Su-24 shot down, Reuters reports.

    At the same time, Erdogan said that he did not want to spoil relations with Moscow.

    On Thursday, November 26, Erdogan refused to apologize for the attack on the Su-24, noting that in the event of an invasion of the country's airspace, the military would act in the same way as in the case of a downed Russian bomber.

    Yes, it wasn’t the roof leaking, it was cut off from KHALYAVNY OIL AND WEAPONS TRADE, so he breaks firewood (ERDOGAN) and it’s brainless!
    1. SERGEY UI
      SERGEY UI 27 November 2015 16: 35
      +2
      From free oil and crazy wink
      Quote: Snake AAA
      Quote: SERGEY UI
      Erdogan went roof wassat
      Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan advised Russia not to play with fire, bearing in mind the possible consequences of the incident with a Su-24 shot down, Reuters reports.

      At the same time, Erdogan said that he did not want to spoil relations with Moscow.

      On Thursday, November 26, Erdogan refused to apologize for the attack on the Su-24, noting that in the event of an invasion of the country's airspace, the military would act in the same way as in the case of a downed Russian bomber.

      Yes, his roof didn’t flow down, it was cut off from KHALYAVNY OIL AND WEAPONS TRADE, here he is and is breaking firewood and brainless!
  18. Valentine
    Valentine 27 November 2015 16: 33
    +1
    But, they found the switchmen, they would write to them, they would say they were drunk, they would dismiss them with the next military rank and the Golden Star of the Ottoman Empire + Taip Erdogan’s Order. And all of Europe will applaud for this, as Turkish the crisis is over. Everyone is happy, everyone is laughing. And we will have nowhere to go, and swallow .... And it will be quite in the European spirit.
    1. Snake AAA
      Snake AAA 27 November 2015 16: 40
      +3
      Yes, there’s no dick, now slowly people will take out a vacationer and then we will begin to take revenge, and as you know LOCATION this dish is served cold! GDP will not forgive this, look!
  19. Vladimir71
    Vladimir71 27 November 2015 16: 33
    +1
    Very "independent" pilots in Churtsia are already very much ours, otherwise there are only jokes about the nuclear button and in them regret about the destroyed pin-dosia ...
  20. bad
    bad 27 November 2015 16: 33
    +1
    New Turkish fairy tales: "The Turkish F-16 pilots did not receive a direct order from the command to shoot down the Su-24, they acted themselves - according to the instructions"
    .. just "one thousand and one nights" .. if something happens we can also refer to the instructions .. cases ... a couple of downed f-16s and let them stink of our instructions .. our instructions are the most instructive in the whole world .. do you want to check? .. so something but butt your head, soar your brains, let the fog go, we can if necessary .. and at the highest level, our mentality and ingenuity allow laughing I got sick of honesty and trust in all "friends", "colleagues" and "partners" .. sad
  21. AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 27 November 2015 16: 35
    +4
    Americans taught the whole world how to carry such nonsense. Even stupidity has its own style.
  22. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 27 November 2015 16: 36
    +2
    katalonec2014 RU  Today, 16:20 New


    What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

    This is quite enough for the layman, especially the western one, that's what they are playing for. Cattle negative
  23. Sergey-8848
    Sergey-8848 27 November 2015 16: 42
    +1
    Erdogan’s political perspective is completely lost. The face is lost. In one eastern country, after such an embarrassment, the issue was resolved in one way.
  24. dison
    dison 27 November 2015 16: 44
    +2
    During 5 minutes the pilots (F-16) informed the headquarters, the signals were received by the commander of the air force of Turkey Mehmet Shanver and the commander-in-chief of the air force Abidin Unal. The pilots did not receive commands to cancel the pursuit of a goal and strike it, and implemented the procedure, acting on instructions.

    Ie there was a team to pursue and destroy the target, otherwise what kind of cancellation is it?
  25. victorrat
    victorrat 27 November 2015 16: 44
    +4
    Well, you joke over the idiocy of the Turks. Nice another. Our reported that from the place from which our pilots were shot, no stone was left on the stone. now there is a desert! And everyone is silent))))
  26. Valentine
    Valentine 27 November 2015 16: 52
    +2
    And here is another option for the Turkish excuse. The plane was hijacked somehow
    a homeless person who had a little knowledge of aerobatic business, who just wanted to "ride", and in flight accidentally pressed the trigger ... And if it's good
    to put on shoes, then this crap will pass easily, and Europe will grab it at times.
    The more improbable some intrigues and provocations are woven, the more savory they are perceived by the Euroshtat "diploma".
  27. slava5553
    slava5553 27 November 2015 16: 54
    +1
    But what difference does it make, whether they got it or not, the pilot died, in fact the plane was shot down, but the answer should be given by the side that allowed it.
  28. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 27 November 2015 16: 55
    +3
    Or maybe F 16 himself launched a rocket and no one at all blame request
  29. russmensch
    russmensch 27 November 2015 16: 58
    +2
    When you don’t have time to do something, they usually say - your head is spinning ... And then the head has gone square ...
  30. marna
    marna 27 November 2015 17: 00
    +1
    This is not a new fairy tale, it appeared last night, almost at the same time as Dovutoglu said that he gave the order. It is not difficult to imagine what kind of mouse fuss started there, when the owners disowned. Moreover, it is clear that there is no consensus between the president and the prime minister.
  31. mamont5
    mamont5 27 November 2015 17: 00
    +3
    Quote: katalonec2014
    What are they holding the whole world for idiots?

    Looks like. They found the switchmen. We moved the arrows to the performers. This is to the question of "carrying out the order" - you should always have your own head on your shoulders. Obviously a CRIMINAL order does not need to be carried out. THIS also applies to ukrokaratels. I cannot call them warriors (soldiers, fighters) now. And EVERYONE (whoever wanted to - fled, went over to the side of the LPNR, simply deserted - they had courage, the rest were war criminals). Let us recall the Nuremberg trials - "we carried out the order" - did not help. Let us recall Peter 1 "Peter I's instructions demanded that officers show initiative," reasoning "in business, forbade them to adhere to the regulations" like a blind wall, " The 'non-reasoning' officer was subject to punishment. "
  32. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 27 November 2015 17: 04
    +2
    This is from a series of anecdotes - "Who threw a felt boot on the console?" Will they make extreme flyers? And these janissaries, like free abreks, saddled their F-16s and flew for a walk. And then suddenly Drying. Let me shoot her - decided the Janissary. I have some kind of instruction.
  33. bsk_mna54
    bsk_mna54 27 November 2015 17: 08
    +1
    Here are the main culprits: from the prime minister to the generals. The application must be accepted and executed in full, including the pilots there. Let them rest in another place calmly.
  34. Hiw
    Hiw 27 November 2015 17: 19
    +2
    but in general, the normal version, we must take it into service, according to our instructions - if f16 "violated" the borders of syria (and this is at least 6-7 km deep into turkey from the border with syria) then our dryers can bring everyone down without warning - that is, everything is fine, Turkey and I have agreed on further actions
  35. S_Baykala
    S_Baykala 27 November 2015 17: 27
    +2
    Yeah, the pilots acted independently. The barmalei acted on their own, completely by chance finding themselves directly under the scene of the tour. aviation, and with operators in the group. Plus, these superprofessionals in seconds determined what happened: a plane was shot down (Russian, not Turkish - how was it determined whose pilots ejected?), Opened fire to defeat, although it would be better to capture the pilot in any case (Russian or Turkish). Yes, and staged a hunt for the surviving navigator, using direction finding tools, which in Syria probably are in every squad of barmaley, like cell phones.
    Yesterday wrote: they did not want to take the pilots captive, because they needed dead witnesses who could not directly say 2 things - no one got in touch with our plane and the plane did not cross the Turkish border.
  36. Belarus
    Belarus 27 November 2015 17: 27
    +1
    Well, yes, yes. And the Turks themselves aren’t funny ???? Do you see the pilot himself shot down, huh. The pilot flies, suddenly flies, sees the plane and thinks: I’ll dike him according to the instructions - so what?
    Most likely they want to take Perdogan out of attack and formally punish the pilot with a promotion if something. Turkey essentially learned the lessons of her teacher Psaki well and bears utter nonsense. am
  37. SPB 1221
    SPB 1221 27 November 2015 17: 30
    +2
    Our "friend" and "partner" Erdogan needs to eat purgen and in very large quantities, it can be seen that the guy has a strong constipation and everything went to his brain! And the faster he does it, the better it will be for him and for Turkey, because it may turn out that he will have nothing to do (the ass will be torn apart) and there will be nowhere to put his brains (his head will be torn off)!
  38. Woodman
    Woodman 27 November 2015 17: 38
    +2
    Erdogan as Scheherazade))) storyteller ...
  39. YaMZ-238
    YaMZ-238 27 November 2015 17: 47
    +1
    With such support of the best fighters, no ghoul would dare even fly close !!!!!
  40. Koshak
    Koshak 27 November 2015 17: 48
    +1
    Turks are lying inconsistently, it was necessary to clarify earlier in the office
  41. Naval
    Naval 27 November 2015 18: 08
    +1
    Responsibility, in any case, lies with Erdogan, especially since aggressive rhetoric and threats are not the best option in a conversation with Russia.
  42. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 27 November 2015 18: 18
    +2
    Tell the truth, admit guilt !!! have chosen the path of lies in which it is impossible to understand. The situation is repeated, as with Boeing, the school of overseas striped penguins is felt.
  43. Bayonet
    Bayonet 27 November 2015 18: 19
    +2
    An interesting option. It remains to organize the "tragic death of the pilot under unclear circumstances" and naturally blame it on the Russians' revenge. Ends into the water. smile
  44. aba
    aba 27 November 2015 18: 34
    0
    Quote: Lance
    The fact that the Turks were p..sy and double-dealing and without an airplane it was clear


    Just on the radio ...
    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan: "Turkey is not a dishonest country to buy oil from terrorists"
    But does not refuse that dishonorable ..
  45. neznakomez
    neznakomez 27 November 2015 18: 45
    0
    Breaking news came from the Syrian army. All key heights, dugouts of Turkoman in the area where the Russian Su-24 was shot down were cleared of militants and captured by the Syrian army.
    As a result of repeated Russian air strikes against militants, Syrian government forces took complete control of the mountainous regions in the north of Latakia province, thereby completely blocking the cross-border supply of weapons, ammunition and other tangible property to terrorists in the province.
    Moreover, in other areas in northern Syria, our aviation controls all the main ways of delivering weapons, ammunition and materiel to the militants of the IS terrorist group.
  46. Lelek
    Lelek 27 November 2015 18: 47
    0
    (Within 5 minutes, the pilots (F-16) informed the headquarters, the signals were received by the Turkish Air Force air defense and missile defense commander Mehmet Shanver and the Air Force Commander-in-Chief Abidin Unal. The pilots did not receive a command to cancel the pursuit of the target and strike on it, and implemented the procedure, acting according to the instructions.)

    Since the beginning of time, silence has been a sign of consent. So, this number does not roll. It does not prevent Turkey from extraditing these Shanver and Unal to Russian justice, Erdogan - to bring Russia the lowest apology for his "mistake" and pay compensation for the downed plane and $ 10 million each to the families of the Russian military killed. Otherwise, the losses will be much greater. yes
  47. cap
    cap 27 November 2015 19: 02
    0
    Quote: Bayonet
    Bayonet (5) SU Today, 18:19 New

    An interesting option. It remains to organize the "tragic death of the pilot under unclear circumstances" and naturally blame it on the Russians' revenge. Ends into the water. smile

    This is ideal, after which the banquet will continue.
    From shame for their deeds, the Turkish air defense operator will hang himself ... and further on laughing to the list.
  48. Petruha
    Petruha 27 November 2015 19: 05
    0
    in my opinion and so and so, now the hair on the head of the Turks will tear! but the train left ... until they will speak to them from the Kremlin without complete repentance and compensation for all losses. now there is the territory of Syria, as well as part of Turkey at the sight of our sea and land-based air defense! and nobody will return them back!
  49. berkut9737
    berkut9737 27 November 2015 19: 09
    0
    New Turkish fairy tales: "The Turkish F-16 pilots did not receive a direct order from the command to shoot down the Su-24, they acted themselves - according to the instructions"

    They seem to have complete anarchy in the army. Each fry thinks of himself as Perdogan and believes that he can make decisions of national importance without leaving his workplace. In the instructions, this is probably what is printed: "Point 1. If you do not know what to do, then act at your own discretion, and Perdogan will answer for everything." laughing
  50. ViRUS-007
    ViRUS-007 27 November 2015 19: 09
    +2
    The fact that Erdogan is the gasket (even "his own" in Europe hold him for a scarecrow) is understandable. He was used as a condom, he thought that he would receive support from NATo, but those only in words ...
    Then he got it wrong, so only after 7 hours he called the GDP, and now he asks for a meeting ...
    I thought he would kill two birds with one stone and set Europe up, that they will not be left with a choice, as a NATO MEMBER, and he will "calm us down", otherwise we have ruined their family gesheft ...
    Well, the stupid Turk got ... but it’s like rats from an ambush, it’s clear that Tan used them as a gasket (the question is only how one-time? Or ...)
    The fact that the jackals were aiming from the ground says a lot (they were waiting for rot), and how they escaped, "diving" with their tails between their legs under the lower boundary of the radar so that they would not fly in pursuit.
    And it was not for nothing that the darkest one about pin.dosov mentioned that they knew both the time and place of flights, in short, the fart at the exit turned out to be a bunch ....

    Sorry guys !! Eternal glory to them !! you need to return the body of the hero to the homeland !!!